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Having accepted the proposal of the Bolsheviks about the organization of their move through Germany, Platten appealed to the German envoy in Switzerland and presented him with the following written conditions:
“1. I, Fritz Platten, take a wagon with political immigrants and legal persons wishing to travel to Russia via Germany under my full and unceasing personal responsibility.
2. Only the Platten is being demolished with the German authorities, without whose permission no one can get into the car locked up during the whole journey. The car is given the right to extraterritoriality.
3. There should be no checks on papers or persons either upon entering or leaving Germany.
4. Persons are admitted to the wagon with absolutely no distinction between their political direction and their relationship to issues of war and peace.
5. Everyone traveling issues tickets to Platten at the normal fare.
6. As far as possible, travel must occur without interruption, by direct communication. Without the technical necessity of a break in the journey can not be. It is impossible to leave the carriage not by any order, nor on one’s own initiative.
7. Permission to travel is given on the basis of the exchange of riding on German and Austrian prisoners of war and interned in Russia.
8. The facilitator and those traveling undertake to act in society and especially among the workers in the direction that this postulate will be implemented.
9. If possible, the nearest departure time from the Swiss border to the Swedish one, as well as technical details (luggage, etc.) are established immediately. ”

Two days later, Platten received a reply stating that his conditions were accepted, as reported by the departing persons, who by their personal signature confirmed that they had communicated the results of Platten’s negotiations with the German embassy to them, that they knew the threats of the Provisional Government, that they fully obeyed during the trip all orders of the head of Platten’s trip.

In the group of emigrants who returned home with Lenin, from 32 people were 19 Bolsheviks (N.K. Krupskaya, G.E. Zinoviev, I.F. Armand, D.S. Suliashvili, M.Tschakaya, G.A. Usievich et al.), Six Bundists and three supporters of the Parisian international newspaper Nashe Slovo. With great difficulty, those who had driven away raised money for the fare. Platten later recalled: “The money in which we, as enemies slandered, drowned, we had absolutely no. At the last minute, we would not have been able to redeem edible supplies if the board of the Swiss party had not opened a loan for us at 3000 fr. under the guarantee of Lang and Platten ". The help of the Swiss and Swedish socialists and the modest sum sent by the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b) made it possible to ensure the passage of Russian emigrants to their homeland.

The border is drawn with chalk

As evidenced by the memories of Platten, Krupskaya, Tskhai and other participants of the trip, the German authorities just fulfilled the conditions. At the German border station Gotmadingen, the Russian revolutionaries were given a wagon, three of which were sealed, the fourth, the back door remained open. The nearest compartment was occupied by two officers - authorized by the German military command. On the corridor floor, the border between Russian revolutionaries and German officers was marked with chalk. No one except Platten, who accompanied the Russian émigrés, had the right to cross the chalk line without the consent of the passengers.

German newspapers were strictly forbidden to report anything about the passage of emigrants until they left Germany. The authorities were afraid that such reports would lead to demonstrations - an open manifestation of the sympathy of the German population for the Russian revolutionaries.

12 April train reached Sassnitz on the Baltic Sea coast. Passengers moved from the carriage to the Swedish cruise ship-steamer, which transported them across the sea littered with mines to the town of Trelleborg, where they were met by Polish Social Democrat Ganetsky and Swedish journalist Grimlund. From Trelleborg they already arrived by train in Stockholm.

There Lenin and his comrades were cordially received not only by the Bolsheviks-emigrants, but also by the Swedish Left Social Democrats. Day stay in Stockholm was filled to capacity. Lenin gives an interview to a Politiken correspondent about the trip, organizes here the Foreign Representative Office (bureau) of the Central Committee of the RSDLP, participates in a meeting of local Social Democrats, attends a banquet hosted by Swedish comrades in honor of immigrants who arrived, talks about the upcoming socialist revolution in Russia and the prospects of the world revolutionary movement , on bourgeois democracy and the dictatorship of the proletariat.

Hotly thanking the Swedish comrades for the cordial welcome and great attention, Lenin and his comrades left Stockholm the next day and were at the border station Tornio two days later. Their unexpectedly rapid appearance on the threshold of a country seized by the revolution, on the border of Finland, then part of Russia, disturbed the agents of the Entente. Without hiding their anger, the English officers who were in charge of the Swedish-Finnish border, took their hearts away by having searched Lenin in a separate room.

As the facts show, no obstacles erected by the British, French and Russian ruling circles, did not keep the leader of the revolution away from Russia. But immediately after his arrival in Petrograd, all the chauvinists and "defencists" began a frenzied agitation against Lenin and all those who returned after a long emigration to their homeland. The Central Committee and the PCR of the RSDLP (b) with a leaflet appealed to all citizens to expose Lenin’s slanderous accusations and Pravda headed by him, demanding “respect for the decision of the Executive Committee of the Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies, who heard the report of the emigrants and found nothing wrong in their behavior” . In another appeal of the Central Committee and the PC of the RSDLP (b) - “Against the Pogromists”, the bourgeois newspapers Russkaya Volya, Rech, Plekhanov's Unity, which did not reprint either the report of the emigrants or the executive committee, were exposed. But despite the campaign of these forces against Lenin and his supporters, the working class, and after it, the soldiers and peasants with humor accepted stories about Lenin’s connections with the German General Staff and about his betrayal of his motherland. They welcomed Lenin as "the ideological leader of the Russian workers" and "a tireless fighter for socialism."

Solzhenitsyn's delusion

Fritz Platten's book and the film about him are not the only sources about the events of the spring of 1917. 60 years ago Werner Halweg’s book, Lenin's Return to Russia in 1917, was published. Like Platten's memoirs, we published it in 1990. It contains correspondence documents of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the General Staff of Germany, embassies, missions, which convincingly expose the slanderous accusations against Lenin and his associates that they returned to Russia as some kind of German “spies”.

Documents selected and commented by Halweg characterize the entire history the return of Lenin and the group of emigrants traveling with him through Germany to Russia through the prism of the interests of the German authorities, who were interested in a separate peace with Russia for the purpose of a military victory over the Entente countries or at least achieving more favorable peace conditions. But these documents, if read in an unbiased manner, give a fairly clear picture of the organization and the journey itself through Germany or, as Halweg puts it, you can use it to provide "the background of the circumstances of Lenin's journey." True, the compiler of the collection and the author of the introduction to it often repeat the unfounded stereotypical statements of the author of the book “February Revolution” (“Russia 1917: The Februaty Revolution”) by G. M. Katkov about the alleged “financial assistance” of the German authorities to the Bolsheviks, but still real facts , gleaned from documents, help historians more often find the right explanation for events. Among the stereotypes about the relationship of the Russian Social Democrats and their passage through Germany should also be attributed to the myths of the desire of the Bolsheviks for closer rapprochement with Kaiser Germany, about Lenin's meeting with Gelfand (Parvus) and about the special role of the latter in organizing a “sealed train” . All these inaccuracies were reproduced, in particular, by Alexander Solzhenitsyn in the book "Lenin in Zurich", published in 1975 in Paris. And yet the Nobel laureate, who relied largely on the publication of Halweg, was forced to admit that Lenin "knew his right, did not falter," that he "kept the main treasure - the honor of a socialist."

In the light of the above data, the considerations used in the film “The Demon of the Revolution” - about the participation of German money in the October Revolution, do not stand up to criticism. How can one, for example, speak of a “closer rapprochement” between Russian revolutionary emigrants and Kaiser Germany, when the Bolsheviks treated the Kaiser and his rule as much as the Tsar of Russia, that is, sharply negative. Following Lenin, his closest associate, Zinoviev, wrote then: "There is no doubt: Wilhelm II is no less a monster than Nicholas II, it is necessary to overthrow the monarchy of Wilhelm II." What kind of rapprochement with such initial positions of the Bolsheviks can there be?

In this regard, in the introduction to the book, Doctor of Historical Sciences A.V. Sovokin writes: “Do not put Parvus among the“ revolutionary émigrés ”, who was branded by V.I. Lenin back in 1915, as a renegade who“ licks Hindenburg’s boots, assuring readers that "the German General Staff spoke in favor of the revolution in Russia." It is quite natural that this business man, who had fled from Russia and who grew rich in war, climbed to help the German authorities to weaken or completely destroy Russia as much as possible, that is, he followed the same line as the German General Staff, Kaiser and his retinue.

The German Ministry of Foreign Affairs, where Parvus was believed to have entered, decided on the passage of Lenin and his associates on the basis of their national interests. But the story of evil laughed at them. Their "brilliant" success achieved as a result of the signing of the Brest-Litovsk peace treaty 3 in March 1918, when they were able to humiliate Russia, forcing its government into bondage, was defeated by the November revolution of 1918 in Germany. The desire to weaken their adversary by supporting the revolution turned for the German ruling circles to overthrow William II and the collapse of all hopes of victory over Russia in the First World War. Lenin drew attention to the words of one of the ideologists of German militarism, German General Ludendorff, quoted by Denikin about his joy at the Russian revolution: "But I could not imagine that it would become a grave for our power." Four times, the text that was deleted and singled out with the NB sign describes how the ruling circles of Germany, who had missed a group of Bolshevik immigrants to Russia, were deceived.

All the slanderous fabrications about Lenin and his colleagues who went with him were exposed immediately upon arrival in Russia. In Pravda and Izvestia, a message was published made to the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Council of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies by Lenin and Zinoviev on behalf of their comrades who came from Switzerland. It published data showing that emigrants had no other way home, that only Fritz Platten maintained contact with the German authorities, that these authorities had nothing but a promise "to agitate in Russia for exchanging missed emigrants for the corresponding number of Austro “German internees” was not given.

Having heard the report of those who arrived, Zurabov and Zinoviev, the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet "decided to immediately appeal to the Provisional Government and take measures to immediately pass all emigrants to Russia, regardless of their political views and attitude to the war." By this decree, the Petrograd Soviet recognized the legitimacy of the actions of Lenin and his comrades in their journey through Germany to Russia. The newspapers and leaflets distributed the “Minutes of the Meeting of the RSDLP Members, consolidated by the Central Committee of 8 on April 1917” (March 26 for the old style), which contains official documents showing all the ups and downs of preparations for the return of emigrants to Russia.

And yet great

In his memoirs about Lenin, in publications of documents and biographical essays on him, the question of the return of the Bolshevik leader from emigration has been covered repeatedly. At the beginning of the 60s, solid research emerged that highlighted the problem based on available print and archival sources. Historical facts make it possible to fully restore the history of that trip. But the creators of the film “The Demon of the Revolution” did not bother to get acquainted with the materials, convincing that all the fabrications about German money are unfounded.

Since 2014, at the suggestion of Academician of the Russian Academy of Sciences A.O. Chubaryan, two revolutions - the February and October and Civil wars are considered as a single historical process, and therefore by analogy with the Great French are now called the Great Russian Revolution. It is written in the state historical and cultural standard. It turns out that instead of a principled assessment of key events of a century ago, what this standard is actually aimed at, the film “Revolution Demon” repeats a long-exposed lie. Meanwhile, President Vladimir Putin warned that discussions about the 1917 revolution should not split the society.

Is it worth it afterwards to tell the film's authors that it is necessary to carefully analyze the results of 1917 of the year and respect the historical memory.
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  1. ImPerts
    ImPerts 9 December 2017 07: 43
    +3
    Is it worth it afterwards to tell the film's authors that it is necessary to carefully analyze the results of 1917 of the year and respect the historical memory.

    Here I must say thanks to the authors of the film for not being abused ... Could and depict:
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 9 December 2017 07: 54
      14
      It turns out that combining 2 revolutions into one, about the white movement of pity and monuments, and about the red ones, what? Apparently, the plans ----- assign all the merits of the Great October Soviet Revolution to the whites in a long-term program. There are no new monuments, nor new names in honor of the communist workers, peasants, military commanders, leaders. If someone corrects me in this regard --- I will be glad to know !!!!!!
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 9 December 2017 08: 18
        +8
        Alternatively, the February coup will be a revolution, and October will be called a coup. What’s next is hard to judge.
        But not everything is lost:
        "If with admiration," respect "and" sympathy "the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (Stalin) treated 2016% in March 37 of the year, then in January 2017 of the year this number increased to 46%. Stalin's approval reached a historic high in 16 years , follows from the data of sociologists of the Levada Center. "
        Read more at RBC:
        https://www.rbc.ru/politics/15/02/2017/58a33b919a
        79472a55281e2a
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 9 December 2017 08: 25
          +7
          Probably, based on these percentages, an expression appeared about the archetypal personality of Stalin
          But how not to praise February, because the “young reformers” of the 90s continued what the Februaryists could not fulfill. Because no promises of the 90s were fulfilled, only the personal enrichment of the destroyers of the USSR
        2. captain
          captain 9 December 2017 10: 09
          +3
          Quote: ImPerts
          Alternatively, the February coup will be a revolution, and October will be called a coup. What’s next is hard to judge.
          But not everything is lost:
          "If with admiration," respect "and" sympathy "the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks (Stalin) treated 2016% in March 37 of the year, then in January 2017 of the year this number increased to 46%. Stalin's approval reached a historic high in 16 years , follows from the data of sociologists of the Levada Center. "
          Read more at RBC:
          https://www.rbc.ru/politics/15/02/2017/58a33b919a
          79472a55281e2a

          Actually, the Bolsheviks themselves, 1924, celebrated the October Revolution. Now about the Levada Center. That you dear red-flag this center of the caster on what the light is, then when there are numbers favorable to you appear refer to it. You already decide; this center is enemy or Bolshevik.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 10 December 2017 09: 08
            +4
            Quote: captain
            Actually, the Bolsheviks themselves, 1924, celebrated the October Revolution. Now about the Levada Center. That you dear red-flag this center of the caster on what the light is, then when there are numbers favorable to you appear refer to it. You already decide; this center is enemy or Bolshevik.

            Why should I decide?
            If the enemy’s voices cannot but admit that the positive role of Stalin is becoming more and more visible, then why not give this as an example?
            Z. Y.
            Quote: captain
            Bolshevik

            Probably wanted to write "Bolshevik"? We still live in Russia, we write in Russian.
            Ali am I wrong?
            1. Looking for
              Looking for 16 May 2018 19: 45
              0
              They are such- elementary illiterate, but there is more than enough ambition.
        3. Vladimir 5
          Vladimir 5 15 February 2018 17: 53
          -1
          So the Bolsheviks until the year 1927 in the media called the October events in Petrograd the OCTOBER Coup. Only after 1927 renamed the Great October Socialist Revolution. Russia learned about the Petrograd coup weeks and months later and did not attach much importance to the change of powers that had begun, which had begun ...
      2. Rastas
        Rastas 10 December 2017 14: 49
        +1
        Combining two revolutions into one, I consider a mistake. They had different goals and programs, not to mention leaders. And with the French Revolution, the analogies are wrong, because from beginning to end it was bourgeois, with only different stages of development.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 10 December 2017 16: 40
          +3
          Quote: Rastas
          Combining two revolutions into one, I consider a mistake.

          Everything is correct, only this is not a mistake, this is another sabotage against socialism.
          Official Soviet science believed that there were three revolutions in Russia:
          - The first bourgeois-democratic revolution of 1905-1097
          - The second bourgeois-democratic revolution in February 1917
          - The Great October Socialist Revolution.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 10 December 2017 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Green
            Everything is correct, only this is not a mistake, this is another sabotage against socialism.

            So there was no socialism ..... Gorbachev promised by the year 2000 laughing
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 10 December 2017 20: 53
              +3
              Quote: RUSS
              So there was no socialism ..... Gorbachev promised by the year 2000

              You are laughing in vain; you, apparently, do not quite understand what socialism is. This is not only the first phase of the communist formation, but also the belief system - the theory of scientific socialism, which was created by K. Marx and F. Engels. They showed, and the Great October Socialist Revolution confirmed the inevitability of socialism, due to the development of irreconcilable contradictions of capitalist society. They claimed that only the proletariat, in alliance with the peasantry, would revolutionarily overthrow the power of the capitalists and build a socialist society.
              So, the current bourgeoisie, realizing this, by combining the two revolutions into one, is trying to belittle the role of the Great October Socialist Revolution in building a just society and lead to the reconciliation of the current exploiters and the exploited.
              This is ideological sabotage. And your smiley reminded me of a proverb: laughter for no reason is a sign of foolishness.
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 11 December 2017 09: 01
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Green
                This is ideological sabotage. And your smiley reminded me of a proverb: laughter for no reason is a sign of fooling

                Do not be offended, uncle.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 11 December 2017 09: 39
                  +3
                  Believe me, and he is not offended. Like that proverb.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 11 December 2017 13: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Believe me, and he is not offended. Like that proverb.

                    I do not care....
                2. Alexander Greene
                  Alexander Greene 11 December 2017 11: 16
                  +4
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Do not be offended, uncle.

                  I have a rule, as with doctors - do not be offended by patients.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 11 December 2017 13: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexander Green
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Do not be offended, uncle.

                    I have a rule, as with doctors - do not be offended by patients.

                    Are you a doctor? A doctor?
                    1. Alexander Greene
                      Alexander Greene 11 December 2017 16: 25
                      +4
                      Quote: RUSS
                      Are you a doctor? A doctor?

                      No, I just like this rule, it helps in life, there are so many patients around.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 12 December 2017 10: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Green
                        No, I just like this rule, it helps in life, there are so many patients around.

                        ABOUT! How are you about yourself !!!
                        "All people are like people, and I am the queen!" laughing
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 11 December 2017 15: 56
                +3
                The idea of ​​reconciliation is very vile and humiliating. How can such opposites be reconciled? Only ---- take away the loot!
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 9 December 2017 11: 31
      +3
      Quote: ImPerts
      Here I must say thanks to the authors of the film for not being abused ... Could and depict:

      Well, Eisenstein made the same film with a fictitious assault on the Winter Palace and it did nothing.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 December 2017 14: 53
        +1
        I wonder where such deep knowledge comes from. Did they study at the Sorbonne or at Zhmerenka in a secondary school built by the Bolsheviks? And then, perhaps, at the university, one of the 230, opened in the 20-30-s under the leadership of the CPSU (b)? This is the party that, under a slightly different name, was engaged in storming the Winter Palace, if forgotten.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 9 December 2017 17: 18
          +1
          Quote: avva2012
          I wonder where such deep knowledge comes from. AT

          There was no assault, but there was a capture. The famous shots from the Eisenstein film “October”, when a huge avalanche rushes from the arch of the General Staff Building through the Palace Square to the front gate of the Winter Palace, have nothing to do with reality.
          By the way, in October 1917 there were no double-headed eagles at this gate - by order of Kerensky, all the symbols of the Russian Empire (including imperial monograms on the facade of the building) were removed a month earlier, after Russia was declared a republic on September 1, 1917. There was no assault; there was a gradual capture of the Winter Palace by the Bolsheviks.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 9 December 2017 18: 58
            +3
            Practically according to Zhvanetsky, to the question, “how are you.” ....., in general, he left the answer “. I’ll put it more simply,“ where, your free education, if not from the care of the Communists for the people? ”If, you studied in HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTION, is it not in one, from the 230-ty, that were created from scratch in the 20-30 years under the leadership of the CPSU (b)?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 9 December 2017 21: 08
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              where, your free education, if not from the care of the Communists for the people? ". If, you studied at a university,

              I studied for a fee.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 9 December 2017 21: 20
                +6
                Then what, you judge, not knowing that life? I studied for free in one of the best universities in the country called the USSR.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 10 December 2017 09: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Then what, you judge, not knowing that life? I studied for free in one of the best universities in the country called the USSR.

                  I'm not from the moon
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 10 December 2017 10: 44
                    +2
                    Judging by the fact that you write, yes, from her. There was such a book, Dunno on the Moon.
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 10 December 2017 15: 36
                      +1
                      Quote: avva2012
                      Judging by the fact that you write, yes, from her. There was such a book, Dunno on the Moon.

                      This is your opinion to which you are entitled, but I can also tell you the same thing.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 10 December 2017 15: 39
                        +2
                        Of course, especially when you consider what the book is about.
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 10 December 2017 15: 44
                  +9
                  Quote: avva2012
                  I studied for free in one of the best universities in the country called the USSR

                  Quote: avva2012
                  Judging by the fact that you write

                  No higher than three you studied at that university ... for write you are illiterate.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 10 December 2017 19: 30
                    +2
                    Olgovich, hello!
      2. ImPerts
        ImPerts 10 December 2017 09: 19
        +3
        Quote: RUSS
        Well, Eisenstein made the same film with a fictional assault

        Quote: RUSS
        There was no assault, but there was a capture. The famous shots from the Eisenstein film “October”, when a huge avalanche rushes from the arch of the General Staff Building through the Palace Square to the front gate of the Winter Palace, have nothing to do with reality.

        So he came up with a stroller rolling down the stairs. And the dance of Fyodor Basmanov ...
        It's good that I did not come up with a floating Aurora, as Anderson did in the Musketeers.
  2. Basil50
    Basil50 9 December 2017 07: 48
    10
    About how during the WWII, the German and RUSSIAN noblemen were known for personal affairs across the front line for personal affairs. Some passing through the front line were even heroized. Like for example the wife of General Samsonov and those accompanying her. Or a relative of the queen who came to solve family problems in RUSSIA.
    It’s like the fact that the nobles of the kings can be poisoned or beaten with boots, or to screw up anyone to death on a whim, but what a howl is about the execution of Nikolai and his family.
    1. captain
      captain 9 December 2017 10: 11
      +3
      Quote: Vasily50
      About how during the WWII, the German and RUSSIAN noblemen were known for personal affairs across the front line for personal affairs. Some passing through the front line were even heroized. Like for example the wife of General Samsonov and those accompanying her. Or a relative of the queen who came to solve family problems in RUSSIA.
      It’s like the fact that the nobles of the kings can be poisoned or beaten with boots, or to screw up anyone to death on a whim, but what a howl is about the execution of Nikolai and his family.

      "Comrade," I tell you a secret; Lenin was a nobleman and had an estate near Kazan. Krupskaya was a Polish noblewoman. But this is a secret and strictly for you.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 9 December 2017 07: 49
    +9
    by analogy with the Great French, they are now called the Great Russian Revolution.
    ... If you compare, then no analogy is observed ... At least because the French revolution did not solve all the problems and as confirmation of the revolution of 1830, 1848, 1871 .... In this case, it is especially worth noting the revolution of 1848 r, swept all over Europe ..
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 9 December 2017 08: 13
      +5
      So I did not hear that the royal family would be mourned there! Last year, the French TV series on HISTORY TV ---- still condemned
      1. captain
        captain 9 December 2017 10: 13
        +2
        Quote: Reptiloid
        So I did not hear that the royal family would be mourned there! Last year, the French TV series on HISTORY TV ---- still condemned

        But I did not hear that the Communists cried there. And I did not hear that the French were imbued with love for us, after the war 1812
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 9 December 2017 12: 45
          +6
          Quote: captain
          But I did not hear that the Communists cried there. And I did not hear that the French were imbued with love for us, after the war 1812
          And where does their love for us and about whose communists we are talking about?
          Here they hated their crown-bearers, seized, kept in prison (but not for long), judged quickly, beheaded and are not ashamed and do not repent !!!!!!
          And the English LGBT people, as well as all other fellow citizens, do not grieve over the painful secret death of King Edward ll Plantagenet. HA HA HA !!!!! This is true democracy.
  4. kvs207
    kvs207 9 December 2017 08: 05
    +4
    "At the German border station of Gotmadingen, the Russian revolutionaries were provided with a car, three doors of which were sealed, and a fourth, back door, remained open."

    Interestingly, for many, the concept of “sealed wagon” is associated with an armored train))), although even now the next train in transit to Kaliningrad is essentially the same.
    1. Looking for
      Looking for 9 December 2017 12: 49
      0
      do not confuse a “sealed” wagon with a “bounded” wagon.
  5. Baloo
    Baloo 9 December 2017 08: 08
    +2
    Maybe I missed something, but there was one or several cars? Judging by the list of passengers, there are significantly fewer Russian surnames among passengers.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 9 December 2017 08: 19
      +4
      And now, among the frontiers, how many and why?
    2. captain
      captain 9 December 2017 10: 16
      +5
      Quote: Balu
      Maybe I missed something, but there was one or several cars? Judging by the list of passengers, there are significantly fewer Russian surnames among passengers.

      Generally there were no (Russians) there at all. There were ancestors who converted to Orthodoxy. Although Krupskaya (Polish) was kind of like a Catholic.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 10 December 2017 10: 48
        +2
        Quote: captain Generally speaking, they were not (Russian) there at all "
        Actually, after the publication of comments on the Internet, some users were attracted by the article on inciting ethnic hatred, the topic of Jews now looks something like this.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 11 December 2017 06: 20
          +4
          Quote: avva2012
          Quote: captain Generally speaking, they were not (Russian) there at all "
          Actually, after the publication of comments on the Internet, some users were attracted by the article on inciting ethnic hatred, the topic of Jews now looks something like this.

          Was the revolution in Germany in 1918 sponsored and organized by purebred Germans? And the leadership of the Cheka, GPU, Council of People's Commissars were entirely Russian? Can pirates be considered true liberal democrats, because they were against the government and government agencies? In fact, why not only the Arabs so dislike this smartest nation?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 11 December 2017 08: 55
            +4
            Yes, in particular, the policy of William 2, the lost war, impoverishment and hunger. Oh, you thought who?
            And, if, you, do not know, but not only the USSR, was a multinational country, but RI. Is it strange, yes, that people of different nationalities were in the Cheka and the Council of People's Commissars? (The Cheka and the GPU were at different times, no?) (Komsomol members took part in the assault on the Winter Palace?). And google the composition of the first Soviet Government, finally, to find out the nationalities of those who were there. And as for people of Jewish nationality, the Palestinians have the right to hate them, but what about you, personally, they took?
    3. MrK
      MrK 9 December 2017 15: 15
      +8
      Quote: Balu
      Maybe I missed something, but there was one or several cars? Judging by the list of passengers, there are significantly fewer Russian surnames among passengers.


      And to the question of the “sealed wagon”, on which the Bolsheviks arrived in Sweden. To be honest. The fact, as they say, took place. Less known howeverthat in addition to a couple of dozen Bolsheviks, they got through similar Germany from Switzerland to Sweden in similarly sealed wagons there are also 169 members of other parties — the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Anarchists, Bundists, Lithuanian Social Democrats, Finnish nationalists, etc. So, by analogy with Lenin, all of them can also be called "German spies" [Material from Wikipedia. Sealed wagon. URL: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CF%]. But the current liberals are modestly silent about this.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 10 December 2017 06: 58
        +3
        And to the question of the connection of the unconnectable. It’s impossible to harness a horse and a trembling fallow deer in one cart. Pleve’s words about a small victorious war to prevent a revolution in Russia are often mentioned. However, there is a foresight about the February 1917 revolution, we will have an artificial, thoughtlessly made .... so-called educated classes, social elements. they have one goal ---- to overthrow the government, so that they themselves could sit in its place, at least in the form of a constitutional government .... the tsarist government has experience, don’t say, the habit of governance and mind you, all of our most useful, most liberal reforms are made by government ............. These faceless public elements that will replace the government - what will happen.? ...... they can never manage, they can’t sit still for the very reason that they issued so many bills that you have to pay them and immediately make concessions ......... at the same time they will fall ... and then all harmful criminal elements craving for doom and the decomposition of Russia. As it happened in February, the educated classes began the revolution, and what happened afterwards was inability, impotence, complete paralysis. This letter was written to Pleva about 12 years before the events. And Pleve died in 1904
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 11 December 2017 09: 26
          +2
          Quote: Reptiloid
          After all, this letter to Plehve was written about 12 years before the events. And Pleve died in 1904

          Work on the collapse of Russia began a little earlier. Is it not strange that most of the revolutionaries since the days of the People’s Volunteers and even earlier settled in London.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 11 December 2017 14: 49
            +3
            Work on the collapse of Russia, began even earlier in St. Petersburg. After returning from a victorious war with Napoleonic France, land reform was not carried out, serfdom was not abolished. This statement sounded not only in the works of the classics of Marxism-Leninism, but also in the works of those who were completely satisfied with the socio-political structure.
            The next bomb under the destruction of Russia was the very reform of the 1861 of the year, which "liberated" the peasants, so that Russia began to record hunger from year to year.
            And the final phase was the "reform" adored by all liberals, Stolypin. In the already impoverished village, insane property stratification took place, which led to the enslavement of the peasants, not by the landowner or the state, as before, but by the fist. This explosive mixture blazed.
            Starikov, as a person serving this oligarchic system that formed in the Russian Federation after 1991, once again casts a shadow on the wattle fence, palm off the "insidious Englishwoman", although the root of all misfortunes is the Russian elite itself.
            The method is not new. Before the revolution, they tried to find the "culprits" in Jews and Gentiles, then in German agents. Now, the same linden, only a side view, the agents have become English.
            In short, if the noodles on the ears do not hold, take a fork, add more.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 12 December 2017 05: 10
              +3
              It was after the war of 12 years that the Russian elite itself intensified exploitation as much as it wanted a life as luxurious as abroad. Despite the difference in climate. And during the war, bread was not sold and it was accumulated by the landlords for several years. What to live for? Sell ​​land! And the peasants are on them! So they began to think about how to free peasants without land. The reform of 1861 became possible only because most of the land was laid! And having received the money, the landowners were able to go abroad, where they all happily skipped!
              And Stolypin’s reforms for the development of capitalism, if completed, would bring a revolution closer !!!!!!
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 12 December 2017 07: 19
                +2
                I would add, not for development, but for acceleration, and they did it in the most inefficient way. What could have worked in England when the “enclosure” took place would not have worked in Russia in the 20 century. In my opinion, a systemic error occurred on the face due to the fact that the realities of this locality and changes in the socio-political formation were not taken into account. In Russia at the beginning of the century, and so there was a wave of peasant uprisings due to the impoverishment of the population. The requirement is one, “give the earth!”. What did Stolypin do? A model for the development of farms somewhere in America was taken and transferred to our country. Who took into account the difference in climate and mentality of the population? No one. What for? How, in those conditions and on those patches of land that remained with the majority of peasants, to manage this economy? Stolypin did not know that in the village, there were only 5 percent of prosperous farms, about 20 percent of “middle peasants”, and the remaining 75 — these are poor people who have enough bread right up to the new harvest or they have to farm, borrow or something spinning around? Is this called a human relationship? I doubt it. So that. he got a bullet deservedly, in my opinion. Another point. What the Bolsheviks faced during collectivization in the 30's, namely the opposition of the kulaks. There would not be this “reform” and collectivization would be much calmer and without unnecessary casualties. So, those who fell into special migrants can "thank" the one who left the famous phrase that Russia needs 20 years without war and upheaval. A man was amusingly arranged, he designed these shocks, and he himself hoped to survive without them. More V.I. Lenin was considered the "Kremlin dreamer."
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 13 December 2017 22: 08
                  +1
                  The revolutionary unrest of 1905 came to the village later, 1906-1907. It became clear what kind of power it was — the Russian community, the peasant way of life. The aim of the reforms was to destroy the community. Over 5 years, more than 2000000 peasants stood out from the communities, although its goals were much
                  large quantity. Relocation to the Far East and Siberia was planned. BUT Stolypin's reform failed. And there was nothing to compare with the West, climate, crop differently. No one was on the agricultural side.
                  There were 10 unsuccessful attempts on Stolypin, and only then what happened was accomplished. "The Tale of Tsar Soltan" - in a theater in Kiev. But it is still not clear how Stolypin’s killer got in, although the whole audience was checked, there were agents of the gendarmerie —---- because the tsar was present at the performance.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 14 December 2017 12: 34
                    +2
                    It became clear what kind of power this is — the Russian community, the peasant way of life. The aim of the reforms is to destroy the community.

                    Exactly! good The goal of reform is not creation, but destruction. Hence the result: “zero”, or rather, “Minus”, all “Stolypin migrants” were for the “Reds”.
                    But it’s still not clear how Stolypin’s killer infiltrated

                    “How?” Is another question. “To whom?”, It was beneficial, much more interesting. But the king didn’t even want to conduct a real investigation to find out who was stirring water near him. As they said back then, "we have the Tsar Bell, the Tsar Cannon and the Tsar Rag."
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 14 December 2017 20: 33
                      +1
                      Who benefits from a snake ball? Every other snake.
  6. RUSS
    RUSS 9 December 2017 08: 55
    +3
    Today's government has given an unambiguous assessment of the October Revolution and it (assessment) is the opposite of that which was in the Union.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 December 2017 09: 07
      10
      USSR, people's power, and now, what? Hence the "unequivocal assessment."
      1. RUSS
        RUSS 9 December 2017 09: 58
        +5
        Quote: avva2012
        USSR, people's power, and now, what? Hence the "unequivocal assessment."

        In the Union, power has never belonged to the people.

        The popular slogan "All power to the Soviets" was used by the Bolsheviks only in the short period after the February Revolution, when the Soviets were partially under their control. After the seizure of power, the Bolsheviks immediately turned the Soviets into an auxiliary appendage of the party system. There have never been real alternative elections of people's deputies to representative bodies of power in the USSR. There was only a vote for the only candidate for deputy nominated by the regional party body. People came to the polling station, put a "bird" in front of their only family name and fled to get food. Yes, in this way, people in the USSR attracted people to vote by selling scarce food products. Otherwise, what's the point of going there at all?

        Thus, in the USSR there was never a representative people's power. Just in case, we decide: REPRESENTATIVE AUTHORITY - a set of powers delegated by the people (part of it) to their elected representatives, united in a special collegial institution (parliament, municipal council) for a strictly defined period.
        1. captain
          captain 9 December 2017 10: 18
          +3
          Quote: RUSS
          Quote: avva2012
          USSR, people's power, and now, what? Hence the "unequivocal assessment."

          In the Union, power has never belonged to the people.

          The popular slogan "All power to the Soviets" was used by the Bolsheviks only in the short period after the February Revolution, when the Soviets were partially under their control. After the seizure of power, the Bolsheviks immediately turned the Soviets into an auxiliary appendage of the party system. There have never been real alternative elections of people's deputies to representative bodies of power in the USSR. There was only a vote for the only candidate for deputy nominated by the regional party body. People came to the polling station, put a "bird" in front of their only family name and fled to get food. Yes, in this way, people in the USSR attracted people to vote by selling scarce food products. Otherwise, what's the point of going there at all?

          Thus, in the USSR there was never a representative people's power. Just in case, we decide: REPRESENTATIVE AUTHORITY - a set of powers delegated by the people (part of it) to their elected representatives, united in a special collegial institution (parliament, municipal council) for a strictly defined period.

          Thanks to you, you are one of the few who gave a sober assessment of the "people's" power in the USSR.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 9 December 2017 11: 19
            +8
            He is not alone, there are many of you.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 10 December 2017 21: 39
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              He is not alone, there are many of you.
              No, I like about opponents more like that --- there will be only one left !!!! "" Of the few ""
              1. RUSS
                RUSS 10 December 2017 22: 01
                +1
                Quote: Reptiloid
                No, I like about opponents more so --- only one will remain !!!! "" Of the few

                It will become boring.
          2. chenia
            chenia 9 December 2017 11: 27
            +6
            Quote: captain
            "people's" power in the USSR.


            But in France there was complete “democracy”, in two months they riveted the party and the “comrade” Rothschild appointed a leader, and Macron hatched (the result of the “free” will of French citizens). You seem to be an adult and an experienced person, but reason like a child.
            No matter how they choose, the main thing is in whose interests.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 9 December 2017 17: 23
              +1
              Quote: chenia
              But in France there was complete “democracy”, in two months they riveted the party and the “comrade” Rothschild appointed a leader, and Macron hatched (the result of the “free” will of French citizens). You seem to be an adult and an experienced person, but reason like a child

              Yes, to hell with them, with these paddles, or are you saying that "in America hang blacks"?
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 9 December 2017 14: 43
          +7
          Thus, in the USSR there was never a representative people's power.
          I.V. Stalin, son of a shoemaker. L. I. Brezhnev, son of a metallurgist. V.M. Molotov, son of a tradesman. A. A. Zhdanov, son of the inspector of public schools. L.P. Beria, son of a peasant. A.N. Kosygin, son of a worker, itd, itp Not to mention the marshals, academics, writers, Nobel laureates, world famous musicians, most of the "mob", like you, like to express themselves.
          Not in vain, some spread the nonsense that Stalin, the son of Przhevalsky or Kosygin, already illegitimate, Nikolai Kravavchaty, because, well, in their opinion, the children of boors cannot become so great.
          The question is backfill, "if the leaders of the state are from the people, then what kind of power? Compare with U. Cherchel, Roosevelt, Trump or Kennedy. Are there differences in origin?
          And, despite the fact that you somehow do not consider the Supreme Soviet of the USSR as an elected body, there were milkmaids, doctors, teachers, shepherds. Council of Nationalities, who represented? Supreme Prosecutor's Office, Ministry of Internal Affairs, KGB?
          So it goes. Good luck to you, and further in the manipulation of an owl and a round object on a stand.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 9 December 2017 17: 26
            +3
            Quote: avva2012
            Compare with W. Cherchel, Roosevelt, Trump or Kennedy. There are differences in origin

            And that Obama forgot? He is generally a mulatto, his dad is from Kenya, by the way his relatives live in Africa, and his wife Michelle Obama is a direct descendant of black slaves. Or for example Reagan, so this is generally a movie actor laughing
            1. chenia
              chenia 9 December 2017 18: 45
              +5
              Quote: RUSS
              And that Obama forgot?


              Exception proves the rule

              .
              Quote: RUSS
              for example Reagan so this is generally a movie actor


              And so it is necessary, the main thing is that the director and screenwriter is unchanged.
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 9 December 2017 19: 05
              +6
              And Obama or Reagan, did they come to politics, directly, one from a palm tree, and the second from a dressing room? Whose interests did they represent in the first place? Who and how much has invested in their election campaign, and if they hadn’t invested, would they become presidents? Do not depict naivety or do you think they do not work out in America for the money invested? Yes, and take an interest in what Mr. Reagan saved, is it not medicine? Did he reduce taxes, not specifically for excess profits? Is it the people and the president of the people? You know about Obama, recently it was completely.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 10 December 2017 04: 31
                +4
                At the MILITARY REVIEW you can often see biographies of both Soviet pilots and astronauts! These professions and titles were reached by smart, capable people from a wide variety of population groups. !! While abroad ----- privileged estates.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 10 December 2017 15: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  At the MILITARY REVIEW you can often see biographies of both Soviet pilots and astronauts! These professions and titles were reached by smart, capable people from a wide variety of population groups. !! While abroad ----- privileged estates.

                  Full nonsense is not true
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 10 December 2017 19: 58
                +2
                Quote: avva2012
                Obama or Reagan, they come to politics

                So Stalin didn’t get to the General Secretary from the seminary.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 11 December 2017 02: 24
                  +1
                  Through a revolutionary struggle, and not through someone else’s wallet.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 11 December 2017 09: 03
                    +2
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Through a revolutionary struggle, and not through someone else’s wallet.

                    Through criminality.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 December 2017 09: 13
                      +2
                      Do you know more than the Code of Laws of the Republic of Ingushetia? There, they were divided into "criminal" and "political." If, you, a democrat, then respect the Laws, otherwise we have only talk about totalitarianism in the USSR, but about yourself, then alas, "the law has not been written."
              3. RUSS
                RUSS 10 December 2017 20: 03
                +1
                Quote: avva2012
                Obama or Reagan, did they come to politics directly, one from a palm tree, and the second from a dressing room? Whose interests did they represent in the first place? Who and how much has invested in their election campaign, and if they hadn’t invested, would they become presidents?

                The question was about the origin and "class" of leaders, and not about the gray cardinals and more ....
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 11 December 2017 02: 29
                  +3
                  There were no estates in the USA, and in Europe, in general, the French revolution ended them. Power in the West is the power of industrial and financial capital, not the people. But were there capitalists in the USSR?
              4. Baloo
                Baloo 11 December 2017 06: 16
                +5
                Quote: avva2012
                And Obama or Reagan, did they come to politics, directly, one from a palm tree, and the second from a dressing room?

                Bush's IQ is 79 out of 150, hence the inappropriate actions and reservations in official speeches. Another thing is interesting - Hitler kept his savings in the bank of Grandfather Bush Jr. And in general, fifty American firms until 1944 had offices in Germany. He was surprised when he learned that the “Fantu” was invented for the Wehrmacht in America.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 11 December 2017 08: 59
                  +2
                  I don’t remember who said it, but the meaning is something like this: "fascism is the product of the most reactionary circles of Western financial capital." What, you still surprised?
                  1. Baloo
                    Baloo 11 December 2017 09: 06
                    +4
                    Quote: avva2012
                    I don’t remember who said it, but the meaning is something like this: "fascism is the product of the most reactionary circles of Western financial capital." What, you still surprised?

                    The terrorist dictatorship of financial capital.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 December 2017 09: 16
                      +3
                      That is, capital is the dictatorship of terrorists.
  7. antivirus
    antivirus 9 December 2017 10: 14
    +2
    [quote] [/ quote] Two days later, Platten received a response informing him that his conditions were accepted, as reported by those leaving, who, with their personal signature, verified that they had been informed of the results of negotiations between Platten and the German embassy, ​​that they were aware of the threats of the Provisional Government, that during the trip they are completely subordinate to all the orders of the trip leader Platten.

    - many times listened to Leonid the Shadow and Prof. Half-brewed -
    -they did not read and did not say about another option for the development of the revolution in Russia?
    did not know? --This is an occasion to think about their dissertations and deprivation (?), since they do not believe this and do not bring at least another point of view, already a forgery
  8. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 9 December 2017 12: 42
    +3
    7. Permission to travel is given on the basis of the exchange of riding on German and Austrian prisoners of war and interned in Russia.
    An interesting clause of the agreement.
  9. Curious
    Curious 9 December 2017 15: 15
    +5
    The process of discrediting the USSR, even more than a quarter century after its collapse, does not weaken.
    Obviously, the current slave-owning "elite" has not yet got rid of a sense of fear that the feeder can be taken away, moreover, with the most negative consequences for the "feeding" ones.
    The meaning of the process is simple, like the thoughts of hamsters, for which it, in fact, is intended. After all, it’s much more difficult to publicize your achievements (especially when they are absent) than to water shit from strangers. Why dissuade someone that there is a class of exploiters, that there has been a merger of capital with power, that "all current major fortunes have been acquired by criminal means," if you can avoid this topic at all in any debate by focusing on some "enemy spies" - agents of influence of the enemy special services, the “fifth column”, designed to undermine the foundations and stabilized situation in society.
    A counter course to the process of discrediting the USSR is the process of “reforming” the education system, which is called upon to form not a person who thinks, but a person who believes. Smart knows, du ... cancer believes. Well, straighten this dish with stories about how the Empire flourished before the “October Revolution” and how it lived freely on the sweet and sour banks of dairy rivers.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 December 2017 15: 26
      +4
      Not in terms of advertising, but for information. Already there is on YouTube, "Last Call", part three. There, everything in colors is described.
  10. tank64rus
    tank64rus 9 December 2017 20: 03
    +3
    Those who were in possession of the money were given the task to remove it as it should, they completed reporting. Agitprop is immortal. And they are afraid of their people, or rather their memory.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 10 December 2017 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: tank64rus
      Those who were in possession of the money were given the task to remove it as it should, they completed reporting. Agitprop is immortal. And they are afraid of their people, or rather their memory.

      Agitation and propaganda was and will be under any regimes and regimes, so the truth is somewhere in the middle .. I mean Soviet and modern films about the revolution, etc.
  11. LeonidL
    LeonidL 10 December 2017 03: 36
    +3
    “Is it worth it to say to the authors of the film that it is necessary to carefully analyze the results of 1917 and to respect historical memory.” - It may be worth saying, but the “film” was not shot at all in order to show the Russians the real story, not then the money was spent ... The series was shot to replace the story with another product named "matilda".
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 10 December 2017 13: 44
      +2
      Substitute, do not substitute, and when they were not yet born, and their parents were not even in the project, the aforementioned Pleve and about them today wrote other true words: "" That part of our public, called the Russian intillition, has one that belongs to her natural feature: she fundamentally, but moreover, enthusiastically perceives any idea, any fact, even rumor, aimed at descrediting state power ...... "" Last position V.K. Pleve is the chief of the gendarmes corps and the Minister of the Interior of the Republic of Ingushetia. He was killed by a Socialist-Revolutionary student Yegor Sazonov, who threw a bomb at his carriage on Izmailovsky Prospekt near Varshavsky Station in St. Petersburg. July 15 (04), 1904.Already in this century, like in 2008, a monument to him was erected in his homeland in the Kaluga Region.
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 10 December 2017 15: 46
      +1
      Quote: LeonidL
      Is it worth it after that to tell the authors of the film that it is necessary to carefully analyze the results of 1917 and to respect the historical memory. "-

      By the way, you and others have come running into today's power in vain in terms of cinema, for example, with the participation of all urapatriots, the ardently “beloved” Minister Medinsky, a number of documentaries were created under the name “Forgotten Leaders”, which tell about biographies of Dzerzhinsky, Beria, etc. in an extremely positive way. This series of docfilms was broadcast on Channel One.
      So be objective hi
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 10 December 2017 16: 07
        +2
        And the AUTHORITY has many persons and posts. Medinsky has written many books entitled "Myths of Russia", the debunking of myths about Russia, the evil PR of Western countries. I have 3 of the cycle. I also have his large illustrated book about the Second World War. Well, that acquired! You wrote about films. But not only these. The fact that many people, many positions within the AUTHORITIES conflict with each other, the fact of slandering his dissertation 11 years later (in my opinion) after writing !!! When in defense, he was not a minister !!! And if that were true, then it would be worthy of surprise: who has been sitting THERE for so many years and did not understand anything !!! And then it would be necessary to review the works of all DOCTORS OF SCIENCES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! During this time. Sleeping, in a word.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 10 December 2017 16: 22
          +1
          Quote: Reptiloid
          I also have his large illustrated book about the Second World War.

          Medinsky writes a book about Mannerheim buy it?
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 10 December 2017 17: 05
            +2
            I will certainly get to know her online. But ..... one thing --- to say what he writes, and another to release. A list of Medinsky appeared --- recommendations to schoolchildren, here are some:
            And the dawns are quiet here, 1972,
            Welcome or .... 1964
            Marya the Artisan, 1959
            Chapaev 1934
            Go and see1985 and many others .... There are no modern and foreign films on the list, ours ---- until 1990 .. Why not a reason?
            Theater actors are free in everything, there are no barriers, but how free is the minister?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 10 December 2017 19: 59
              +1
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Medinsky --- recommendations to students, here are some:
              And the dawns are quiet here, 1972,
              Welcome or .... 1964
              Marya the Artisan, 1959
              Chapaev 1934
              Go and see 1985 and many

              Pupils will not watch it
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 10 December 2017 21: 32
                +1
                Quote: RUSS
                Pupils will not watch it
                Do you know everything? IMPORTANT --- give direction.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 10 December 2017 22: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Do you know everything?

                  I guess.

                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  IMPORTANT --- give direction.

                  The direction did not change, especially with regard to the Second World War.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 11 December 2017 10: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: RUSS
                    Quote: Reptiloid
                    Do you know everything?

                    The direction did not change, especially with regard to the Second World War.
                    Well, yes, yes. The Urengoy boy is a “witness” to that, along with his parents, teachers, that gymnasium, as well as a monument to Kalashnikov and his sculptor, who stated that there was no mistake. And there are no “witnesses” to this vile direction!
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 10 December 2017 19: 47
            +1
            Frankly, I do not understand what the catch is? Watching how he writes. At one time, he read the biography of W. Churchill, which was published in the USSR. Mr., was an anti-Soviet, there is no place to put the stigma, and at the same time, in the book his life is described truthfully and after reading, this politician is respected. The meaning of the preface was such that he was an enemy, of course, but you need to know the enemy, all the more so. So, a book about Mannerheim is needed if it is true, which means it will close the myth-making on this character.
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 10 December 2017 20: 01
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              So, a book about Mannerheim is needed if it is true, which means it will close the myth-making on this character.

              Of course it's true! You really don’t like the truth, because you didn’t like the fact that Medinsky was in St. Petersburg and participated in the opening of the Mannerheim board.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 10 December 2017 20: 09
                0
                Quote: RUSS
                Quote: avva2012
                So, a book about Mannerheim is needed if it is true, which means it will close the myth-making on this character.

                Of course it's true! You really don’t like the truth, because you didn’t like the fact that Medinsky was in St. Petersburg and participated in the opening of the Mannerheim board.

                In St. Petersburg? Announce the entire list please !!!!!
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 10 December 2017 20: 33
                  +1
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Quote: RUSS
                  Quote: avva2012
                  So, a book about Mannerheim is needed if it is true, which means it will close the myth-making on this character.

                  Of course it's true! You really don’t like the truth, because you didn’t like the fact that Medinsky was in St. Petersburg and participated in the opening of the Mannerheim board.

                  In St. Petersburg? Announce the entire list please !!!!!

                  Also present was the head of the presidential administration, Sergei Ivanov, and State Duma deputy Chilingorov.
                  1. RUSS
                    RUSS 10 December 2017 20: 36
                    +1
                    The Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky, who took part in the ceremony, said that a memorial plaque to Mannerheim was installed in order to preserve the memory of a worthy citizen of Russia. “Those who are shouting now are opposed, I want to remind you: you don’t have to be holier than the pope and don’t try to be a great patriot and communist than Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. He personally defended Mannerheim by ensuring his election and preservation of him as president of Finland, and managed to treat a defeated but worthy opponent with respect, "Medinsky said.

                    The Minister also agrees that the plaque in honor of Mannerheim is another attempt by the Russian military-historical society to overcome the tragic split in our society on the eve of the centenary of the Russian revolution. "That is why we are erecting monuments throughout the country for the heroes of the First World War, who later found themselves on opposite sides of the barricades," he summed up.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 10 December 2017 21: 30
                      +1
                      I see that you have a spirit of contradiction. When they didn’t know that I can positively ---- reported information about the films. Thought ---- I’m vice versa. When I positively ---- You ----- counter-facts. You want a dispute , like in an old movie, is there life on Mars? I have no time. We’ll wait and see who behaves like that. Maybe it will be revealed why, suddenly some very strange revelations went off. Before our eyes, positive characters could repeatedly turn into odious figures. Something like that.
                      1. RUSS
                        RUSS 10 December 2017 22: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        I see that you have a spirit of contradiction. When they didn’t know that I can positively ---- reported information about the films. Thought ---- I’m vice versa. When I positively ---- You ----- counter-facts.

                        What a rubbish wassat
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 11 December 2017 02: 36
                +1
                What are public services, you know? Do you know the reasons for the appearance of Medinsky at the opening of the board? What should I say if the book did not come out? Will come out, read, decide, like, dislike. You are not Wang.
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 11 December 2017 09: 08
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                  Quote: avva2012
                  Do you know the reasons for the appearance of Medinsky at the opening of the board?

                  Russian Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky published a large article in Rossiyskaya Gazeta in support of the Finnish statesman and commander Karl Mannerheim.
                  The head of the Ministry of Culture spoke about the basic stages of life, the personal principles of this tsarist officer and criticized those who defiled his memorial plaque in St. Petersburg.
                  “I can understand the questions of veterans regarding the plaque: yes, I need to explain,” the minister notes. - History is a complicated thing, and in addition to black and white, there are many other colors and shades on its palette. But do not veterans destroy monuments and drill faces on electric bas-reliefs with an electric drill? ”
                  Those who “flooded with acid and chopped memorial plaques” in St. Petersburg, Medinsky compared with Ukrainian nationalists who “felled monuments to Lenin and the scout Nikolai Kuznetsov, Zhukov and Chernyakhovsky.”
                  The Minister recalled that the rehabilitation of Mannerheim in Russian history did not begin on this board. Earlier, a special exhibition dedicated to the dedication of the Finnish leader to the last Russian emperor was held in the Hermitage. The bust of the Marshal is in the St. Petersburg hotel of the same name. In addition, a book about Mannerheim was released in the famous series of life-skills books (the life of wonderful people).
                  The Finnish commander, who is hated for the war with the Soviet Union and cooperation with Hitler, "refused to participate in the storming of Leningrad." The author also emphasizes that Karl Mannerheim did not allow the Germans to strike from the positions in which the Finns were, did not fire at the blockade of the northern capital from artillery.
                  “The sluggish actions of the Finns made it possible to keep the“ Road of Life ”along Lake Ladoga,” emphasizes Vladimir Medinsky.
                  The Minister noted that a month after Mannerheim assumed the post of President of Finland in August 1944, he ordered a ceasefire.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 11 December 2017 10: 03
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                    He will write Medina’s book about Mannerheim, read it (online for starters), evaluate it. If there is slag, it will be the slag of Mr. Medinsky personally.
                    What, he said above, is what our modern state considers it necessary to speak to citizens. So far, Mr. Medinsky is a high-level official, he cannot say anything that contradicts the official policy of the party and government (through and through liberal and democratic, as you understand). But.
                    Unlike the previous Minister of Culture, under Mr. Medinsky, he was able to come out, albeit not a brilliant, but still quite truthful and patriotic film “28 Panfilov’s” ”(compare with“ Shtrafbat ”and“ Bastards ”). Medinsky, as Reptiloid wrote to you, came up with these recommendations: “But the dawns here are quiet”, “Welcome or ....”, “Mary the Artisan”, “Chapaev”, “Go and see.” There will be children today , they won’t, it’s hard to say. It seems to me that the whole thing is in the right PR. Make it fashionable to watch silent, black and white films and his mostwill look, you can’t drag it away from the screen. So, the thing is small. To change the state ideology.
                    1. RUSS
                      RUSS 11 December 2017 10: 24
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                      Quote: avva2012
                      under Mr. Medinsky, he was able to come out, albeit not a brilliant, but nevertheless, quite truthful and patriotic film "28 Panfilov"

                      Let it be known to you that this film was shot in large part on public money, and only then the Ministry of Culture stuck to this project partially funded it.
                      1. Alexander Greene
                        Alexander Greene 11 December 2017 11: 21
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                        Quote: RUSS
                        this film was shot in many ways with folk money

                        But are the capitals of our oligarchs not created with national money? Only who disposes of them?
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 11 December 2017 11: 44
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                        Yes, I know that 30 million rubles were collected for the film, and after this amount was presented in the Ministry of Culture, this organization also allocated the same amount or a little more. Kazakhstan added a little. That is, the Ministry of Culture, gave half or close to this picture from the budget.
                    2. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 11 December 2017 10: 45
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                      REPTILOID, of course, said, but you can also simply type in the search engine ---- MEDIAN LIST. !!!!!! And it will appear in a more voluminous form! You can also read about the reaction to it there.
  12. Baloo
    Baloo 11 December 2017 06: 11
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    Quote: mrark
    However, it is less well known that in addition to a couple of dozen Bolsheviks, another 169 members of other parties, including the Mensheviks, Socialist-Revolutionaries, Anarchists, Bundists, Lithuanian Social Democrats, Finnish nationalists, etc., got through Germany from Switzerland to Sweden through Germany. So, by analogy with Lenin, all of them can also be called "German spies"

    That's just about it. And not all of them were “German spies,” and not only German.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 12 December 2017 13: 41
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      Lenin himself took his companions. He approved the list.
      He took the most harmless political emigrants who could not
      damage his work in Russia.
  13. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 December 2017 13: 50
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    "which was branded by V.I. Lenin back in 1915 as a renegade,
    who "licks the boots of Hindenburg, assuring readers that" the German General Staff
    advocated a revolution in Russia. "" ////

    Lenin saw a rival in Parvus and did not want to cooperate with him.
    Although both came (independently from each other) to the same conclusion:
    "The Russian monarchy can be unraveled and overthrown only with the help of the outbreak of World War II."
    The whole difference is that Parvus turned to the German General Staff earlier, and Lenin - later.
    In addition, Lenin had a strategic goal: dropping the monarchy, seizing power himself
    (and he did it).
    And Parvus had enough of the first part: he vowed in his youth to overthrow the Romanov empire
    (and also fulfilled it). Who will rule in Russia after the Romanovs did not interest him.
    1. Alexander Greene
      Alexander Greene 12 December 2017 19: 04
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      Lenin himself took his companions. He approved the list.
      He took the most harmless political emigrants who could not
      damage his work in Russia ....
      Lenin saw a rival in Parvus and did not want to cooperate with him.


      Where do you get this nonsense from, do you come up with it yourself?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 December 2017 19: 10
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        I read about all this even before the era of the Internet. Starting with Solzhenitsyn
        ("Lenin in Zurich"), and others were books.
        Once it really interested me. Now - pretty indifferent.
        A 100-year history ... Lenin, of course, is a strong character, albeit antipathetic to me.
        1. Alexander Greene
          Alexander Greene 13 December 2017 01: 48
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          I read about all this even before the era of the Internet. Starting with Solzhenitsyn
          ("Lenin in Zurich"), and others were books.
          Once it really interested me. Now - pretty indifferent.
          A 100-year history ... Lenin, of course, is a strong character, albeit antipathetic to me.

          Firstly, they found someone to believe - Solzhenitsyn, he’s also that storyteller
          Secondly, if you are indifferent, then why should this nonsense be duplicated? It has long been refuted and raised again, just get dirty.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 December 2017 11: 00
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            I do not initiate such articles, but calmly react to them.
            I am “not for white and not for red” (I am for Kerensky and bourgeois democracy good ).
            The refutations of the “Lenin case of German money” are weak.
            But, I repeat, Lenin did not take money for himself, but for the revolution.
            Such cases are common in preparations for revolutions: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
            1. Alexander Greene
              Alexander Greene 13 December 2017 11: 18
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              Quote: voyaka uh
              The refutations of the “Lenin case of German money” are weak.

              Is the fabrication of Solzhenitsyn, who represents Lepnin as himself, stronger.