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Some details of the program of the promising Russian helicopter

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Russian Helicopters JSC is working on a new generation of combat helicopter ordered by the Russian Ministry of Defense in August 2017. To date, there is a package of interconnected contracts for the development of the concept of the helicopter and the technical requirements for it. This stage (R & D) should be completed at the end of 2018, reports bmpd citing Air & Cosmos magazine.


Flying laboratory of a high-speed helicopter, converted from a Mi-24K helicopter to the Moscow Mil-Helicopter Plant JSC.

During the next phase, the concept of the helicopter, the creation of the project and testing will be worked out. According to the schedule of "Helicopters of Russia", the mass production of the machine can begin approximately in 2023 year.

“The name of the program is the abbreviation SBV (high-speed combat helicopter). In Russia, it is called the fifth generation helicopter, although it is difficult to count more than two generations of helicopters in previous versions of Russian military helicopters, ”writes the magazine.

It is reported that “each of KB - Mil and Kamov is working on his project - Kamov uses a coaxial scheme, which is a distinctive feature of the brand, and Mil Milar Bank prefers the classical scheme; common between the two projects are only a large span of horizontal tail, which is designed to relieve the rotor in high-speed mode. "

The only known characteristic of a helicopter is its speed, which should exceed 400 km / h.

AO Klimov, responsible for the propulsion system, is working on a new turboshaft engine VK-2500М. “According to the company, the VK-2500M engine is completely new, and not a modification of the VK-2500 serially produced now. The take-off power of the new engine is 2600 hp, in emergency mode - 2950 hp That is, the new engine is somewhat more powerful than the VK-2500 (2400 hp in takeoff mode and 2700 hp in extreme mode). The new modification M will have less weight on 20% and less parts on 16%. Specific fuel consumption should also be reduced by 7%. Overhaul life increased. The modular design also allows repairs in the field. VK-2500М engine must be certified in 2023 year, that is, simultaneously with the SBV helicopter. This engine will also be used on upgraded versions of the Mi-28Н and Ka-52 helicopters, ”the material says.

According to the magazine, "the SBV will be equipped with new avionics and new weapons systems, since the existing Russian systems are significantly inferior to Western counterparts."

In May 2017, the technical director of the equipment of helicopters in Russian Helicopters Nikolay Fedorov, assessing the avionics, aiming systems and armament of Russian helicopters, concluded that "Russian-made electronic equipment produced for helicopters is uncompetitive."

“In the opinion of Russians, radar-mounted radar helicopters, helmet-mounted target designation systems and guided missiles are characterized by poor performance. In these areas, their lag is critical. The disadvantage of the radar is the lack of indication of the target. In the case of anti-tank missiles, their range of use is very small, and they do not have the ability to "let go and forget." The Russian helmet-based target designation system simply does not exist, as no Russian development has ever reached mass production. In the same vein, Fedorov believes that the Russian radio communications system for helicopter gunships also lagged behind the Western models by ten years. The level of system integration and crew support in decision making is rated as very low. There are no warning systems about a collision with the ground, ”the author writes.

In other areas, such as on-board computer, flight control system and navigation system, on-board defense complex, sight, displayed on the indicator on the windshield, optical-electronic sensors, and unguided rockets, the lag is not so great and can be easily reduced. Only three systems were rated by Nikolay Fedorov as “magnificent”: a flight control system, navigation system software and a gun, the magazine notes.

All of these deficiencies should be eliminated in the new car.

The scope of the tasks suggests that mass production in five years seems unlikely, despite the statements made. But in the end, the helicopter will be equipped with transition systems, the publication concludes.
Photos used:
kabuki / aviaforum.ru
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  1. san4es
    san4es 5 December 2017 15: 05
    +7
    common between the two projects is only the large scale of the horizontal tail, which is designed to unload the rotor at high speed


    a high-speed helicopter testing laboratory converted from a Mi-24K helicopter (tail number "271")
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 5 December 2017 15: 08
      +9
      Well, that’s the explanation. a bunch of articles, recently, about the "Killing Electronics" Mi 28n, and the successful tests of the Ka 52
      1. 210ox
        210ox 5 December 2017 15: 15
        +4
        I will not say anything bad or good about the senator-commander. But there is no smoke without fire ..
        Quote: Chertt
        Well, that’s the explanation. a bunch of articles, recently, about the "Killing Electronics" Mi 28n, and the successful tests of the Ka 52
        1. LSA57
          LSA57 5 December 2017 16: 29
          +5
          Quote: 210ox
          But there is no smoke without fire.

          it happens. pour dirt on the Russian Federation. reason and arguments are not needed, mok before my eyes
          1. insular
            insular 6 December 2017 07: 46
            +2
            Quote: LSA57
            reason and arguments are not needed, mok before my eyes

            Right Remove Russian Helicopters from participating in the Winter Games lol
            Fedorov said that they don’t fly - that means they don’t fly at all.
      2. activator
        activator 5 December 2017 15: 55
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        Well, that’s the explanation. a bunch of articles, recently, about the "Killing Electronics" Mi 28n, and the successful tests of the Ka 52

        And what do the electronics on ka 52 do in another country?
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 5 December 2017 17: 22
          +3
          Quote: activator
          And what do the electronics on ka 52 do in another country?

          I don’t know who Nikolay Fedorov is, but he’s talking awfully. It turns out that all the electronic combat systems listed by him, which worked perfectly in the 80s and are constantly being modernized, no longer work in the new century. Or he takes an example from the developers of the F-35, who constantly complain that they can not bring to mind the on-board systems.
      3. nik-karata
        nik-karata 6 December 2017 07: 29
        +2
        The urapatriots must howl, and say that the article was ordered for $ 1000! I believe that the article, if not 100% true, is close to this. If you do not talk about the problem, then it will remain. And so, you see, and things will go, since the car was ordered in 2017. Still, they knew about the problems. If we had everything tip-top, we would leave the old with the new fuselage and TTX. Maybe we won’t overtake, but at least we’ll catch up!
        1. insular
          insular 6 December 2017 07: 44
          +2
          Air & Cosmos is a French-language weekly. Of course infa is 100% true, after all, it was confirmed by a certain N. Fedorov.
          Rodchenkov and McLaren are also proven men, too, they would not lie.
          It’s high time for the urapatriots to understand that they are ...
          Did I write everything right, comrade nik-karata?
          1. nik-karata
            nik-karata 6 December 2017 07: 51
            +1
            Rodchenkov and McLaren are also proven men, too, they would not lie.

            I didn’t communicate with either one. But judging by the press of the Russian Federation - both condoms. Do not judge, let not you be judged.
            It’s high time for the urapatriots to understand that they are ...

            Absolutely right! And it couldn’t be any better! And then why all this !!! Russia - with a capital letter.
            I spelled it rightАl, comrade nik-karata?

            Comrade - masculine. B - in the end is not necessary.
            Well, as Danila Bagrov used to say - power is in truth! Really, dear comrade insular?
  2. tchoni
    tchoni 5 December 2017 15: 14
    20
    It seems to me that creating such a machine is pointless. Speed ​​is not an important quality of a modern combat helicopter, and spending billions in a budget deficit is simply criminal. Better to put money on electronics. And if the zealous leaped up, and you need an aircraft in the army aviation capable of accelerating to five hundred thousand km / h - let them fly a helicopter attack aircraft. He will take off from the primer and take away the cargo no less and the patrol time will have more, and the radius of action is the same. And much cheaper
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 5 December 2017 15: 58
      10
      Quote: tchoni
      It seems to me that creating such a machine is pointless

      Almost any project, you can say. something like that. But work on new weapons systems is necessary, even if, according to statistics, 70-80% of developments go to the table. It is possible to say specifically about this project that it is interesting at least because there have been no major breakthroughs in the world on the topic of helicopter engineering for a long time. Maybe the time has come
    2. JonnyT
      JonnyT 5 December 2017 16: 14
      +3
      the concept of future wars dictates other conditions - speed and accuracy, these criteria are set for all types of weapons.
      Can a light attack aircraft freeze for landing, or take off from the 10 meter heel?
      Putting money into electronics is the same as giving thieves, because the component industry is killed in death, and the creation of a new one by cash infusion will surpass the development of F-35. Chubais is just waiting for the release of funds.
      You suggest stepping back. The creation of a high-speed helicopter will spur the development of science and technology (including the development of electronics)
    3. askort154
      askort154 5 December 2017 16: 42
      +3
      tchoni ....He will take off from the primer and take away the cargo no less and the patrol time will have more, and the radius of action is the same. And it will cost much cheaper.

      You painted everything "perfectly." Why, in general, did they ... come up with a helicopter? It is very expensive. You tell it: to geologists, sanitary departments, the Ministry of Emergencies, ... and to army men who I throw and take out in the mountain or rugged terrain where there is no concept of "soil strips". Does the helicopter need speed not 200, but 400 km / h? If a person’s life or urgent reinforcement for a combat unit depends on this, then definitely yes. Is there any need to save on this? Maybe. But such an “economy” may, one day, get stuck in the throat. yes
      1. Topotun
        Topotun 5 December 2017 17: 02
        +2
        Yes, all of the above is true, but there is a serious point - both the cost and reliability of the machine. It's no secret that the more complex the machine, the less reliable it is. And the more universal the machine, the slightly worse the more specialized products. We had a B-12 helicopter, but did not go into production. It was clear a long time ago, but still. Therefore, the utterances of tchoni have a certain meaning. And in a serious war, when the equipment SHOULD be used in MASS - the use of expensive and complex products will hit the budget and resources of the country. Nobody says that the project needs to be closed (although I can’t imagine how you can reach a speed of 500 km / h when a gorgeous sail rotates above you in the form of a rotor), but it’s probably also not worth emphasizing universal machines.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 5 December 2017 18: 11
          +9
          "And in a serious war, when technology MUST be used MASSIVE -
          the use of expensive and complex products will hit the budget and resources of the country "///

          But outdated mass products (pilots are sitting inside each, by the way) will be easily destroyed by the enemy.
          Did not learn the bitter experience of the death of 12 thousand simple and massive tanks T-26 at the beginning of the Second World War?
          If simple and massive weapons were victorious, they would still throw spears.
          Fact: sophisticated modern weapons defeat. Remained with junk - lost.
          1. tomket
            tomket 5 December 2017 19: 08
            +6
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Did not learn the bitter experience of the death of 12 thousand simple and massive tanks T-26 at the beginning of the Second World War?

            Why didn’t anyone take into account the death of 7 thousand “panthers” and heaps of super-technological “tigers” at the end of the war?))) But there were five Germans in each)))))
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 5 December 2017 20: 05
              +2
              The conclusion is that not the complexity of the product is important, but its effectiveness does not reach some hi Apparently because they constantly argue what is better ..
            2. Cympak
              Cympak 6 December 2017 02: 41
              +1
              They just ran out of gas and ammunition. The Germans at the end of the war already wanted to quickly surrender to the Allies ....
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 5 December 2017 22: 45
            +1
            Now those who do not have a modern, integrated air defense system will lose.
            1. Cympak
              Cympak 6 December 2017 02: 43
              +2
              Air defense is a weapon of defense. There is no way to win a war with air defense. To win, you need attack weapons, for example, fighter-bombers, which can be concentrated in the right place at the right time ....
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 6 December 2017 07: 42
                0
                Quote: Cympak
                Air defense is a weapon of defense. With air defense war does not win

                That's right. During the war, there is no ministry of defense.
          3. Topotun
            Topotun 6 December 2017 10: 39
            +1
            T-34 was the same simple and massive tank. The German tanks were just more complex in terms of technology. Especially type T4 and above. But he extended the war for Russia, mainly the T-34. And with the T-26, too, is not so simple. They were knocked out a lot simply because they were thrown into battle without the support of artillery, aircraft, often just to close the breakthroughs. The first years of the war were not very simple for us. A conventional helicopter is not very different in terms of the characteristics of detection and target designation systems from what is being developed. At least for now. Now, evaluate, in the battle of Stalingrad, up to 1200 aircraft took part from Germany and about 450 from our side. If we draw a parallel in our time? Especially if you project and accordingly air defense systems there too? What will result in the loss of at least 500 aircraft for the country?
            It is clear that you should not rush from one extreme to another and stop developing promising equipment. But, in my opinion (I’m not an expert in the field of aviation), all kinds of tiltrotoplanes and attempts to disperse a helicopter in the classical scheme somehow complicate the car too much.
    4. Orionvit
      Orionvit 5 December 2017 17: 28
      +2
      I completely agree, for a combat helicopter, the most important thing is the ability to freeze, maneuverability and work at low speeds. The question is, why invent a bicycle? It will turn out something like the Yak-38. In appearance, a jet attack aircraft with vertical take-off, but in fact, "I don’t god a candle, not a damn poker."
      Quote: tchoni
      And if the zealous leaped up, and you need an aircraft in the army aviation capable of accelerating to five hundred thousand km / h - let them fly a helicopter attack aircraft.
      Why cut something? Good old SU-25, perfectly coped with these tasks. In addition, it is much more preferable, in terms of combat load.
      1. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 5 December 2017 20: 06
        0
        Quote: Orionvit
        Good old SU-25, perfectly coped with these tasks

        and it can only be used against blacks in Africa ...
        1. not main
          not main 5 December 2017 23: 10
          +3
          Quote: ProkletyiPirat
          Quote: Orionvit
          Good old SU-25, perfectly coped with these tasks

          and it can only be used against blacks in Africa ...

          And you climb into the trench and "survive" the attack "rook"!
          1. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 6 December 2017 02: 47
            0
            Quote: non-primary
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            Quote: Orionvit
            Good old SU-25, perfectly coped with these tasks

            and it can only be used against blacks in Africa ...

            And you climb into the trench and "survive" the attack "rook"!

            And you sit in the Su-25 and fly to bomb Amers, Germans, and the like, "not blacks!"
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 6 December 2017 07: 48
              0
              Quote: ProkletyiPirat
              And you sit in the Su-25 and fly to bomb Amers, Germans, and the like, "not blacks!"

              Why not? It is all about the professionalism of the military and the interaction of various branches of the armed forces. Americans and the rest of NATO, bombed in the same way as all blacks, only the first, different weapons more. In the words of a famous character: "And what of diamonds, they burn for a sweet soul."
              1. ProkletyiPirat
                ProkletyiPirat 6 December 2017 08: 44
                0
                Quote: Orionvit
                Почему нет?

                Well, I don’t mind, in the world there will be one less “wise guy” less, it’s necessary to think of attacking an enemy who has a multi-level air defense system with entering the zone of sure destruction of this air defense ... These Papuans, Negroes and Barmels who do not even have MANPADS can be bombarded with NARs, but with a normal opponent, such a feint will not work with ears ...
                1. Orionvit
                  Orionvit 6 December 2017 09: 14
                  0
                  Quote: ProkletyiPirat
                  it is necessary to think of attacking an enemy with a multi-level air defense system with entry into the zone of confident destruction of this air defense.

                  You, my friend, must have completely laid your head on your couch? Remind you how wars are won? How did our grandfathers win, for example, the Great Patriotic War? How they broke into the deeply layered defense of the enemy, which had excellent air defense, tanks, infantry, aviation, long-term protective engineering structures, and note that they were not stupid blacks, but quite professional Germans with excellent skills and high fighting spirit. How did such rivers as the Dnieper cross, how did they take Berlin for example? Losses? Of course they were, but there is no need here to talk about some kind of mythical, "terrible enemy", in the person of America and NATO. On a tricky s .... y, Russia will always find a bolt with the appropriate thread. It has always been that way. If there were defeats, it was not from our weakness, but from betrayal. Well, you, with your convictions, can immediately surrender.
                  1. ProkletyiPirat
                    ProkletyiPirat 6 December 2017 19: 29
                    +1
                    God, how the fucking couch heroes got me! When you heroes realize that great ancestors do not make you great! Here is the simplest cost-effectiveness formula. Well, you fly to the Su-25, but now it’s not the 41st year, and not even the 45th, and the enemy is not fascist, and the enemy has a radar, TODAY RADARSand not the ones that were in WWII, he doesn’t find you by sight or sound, he sees you tens of kilometers from the target of the bombing, and the enemy isn’t a fool, he will put small radars and weapons in the terrain so that you don’t use them, and therefore you will be under fire, how much is the su-25? how many resources including man hours? But how much does the destroyed object cost? And how much will it take to train a new pilot? And in general, it’s not a fact that these Su-25s will bombard something, they have the same “free hunting”, HUNTERS their mother! fly and with eyes with 6km look out for barmaley! AHA SHCHAZ! come down and bomb! And even boast of it! To the great happiness of the pilots, the Ishilovites lacked MANPADS and air defense systems so the chance of running into it tends to zero.
                    1. Orionvit
                      Orionvit 7 December 2017 07: 06
                      0
                      "Congratulations to the ball, you dunce." For less play computer games and do not look at the night of American fighters. They have a bad effect on your logical perception of reality. Write nonsense. At the General Staff, they are well aware of the difference between a war with Aborigines and a war with a really large enemy. What are defensive weapons, what is offensive. Methods of their application, tactics, strategy, planning. But there are some odiotists sitting there, unlike you. laughing One SU-25 and enemy air defense got into your head, and although there’s a crack, there’s nothing else in the world.
                      When you heroes realize that great ancestors do not make you great!
                      Not only the ancestors make us great, but the presence of great ancestors makes us even stronger. Apparently, you were not lucky with your ancestors. I said give up immediately in captivity.
                      1. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 7 December 2017 07: 41
                        0
                        Nothing went into my head, I just think that spending resources on a Su-25 plane that can only be used against an obviously weak enemy is unreasonable! And here everything seems to be empty in your head besides games, propaganda and demagogy. hi
    5. Letun
      Letun 5 December 2017 19: 10
      +2
      Quote: tchoni
      Speed ​​is not an important quality of a modern combat helicopter

      laughing Once again, I am very upset by the fact that the greatest engineers and designers do not work in design bureaus, but sit in front of the clave on sofas lol
    6. mac789
      mac789 5 December 2017 20: 14
      0
      I think to increase speed you need something like a tiltrotor, but with a strongly and creatively redesigned propulsion scheme. That is, without rotating crazy propellers at the ends of the wings and without a rotor.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 December 2017 02: 16
        0
        We need a jet fighter-bomber with a helicopter rotor folding in the compartment on the back of the fuselage (driven by a jet engine shaft).
        1. Cympak
          Cympak 6 December 2017 02: 44
          +2
          And we get ..... F-35B
        2. mac789
          mac789 6 December 2017 10: 25
          +1
          Well, why the emerging ...
  3. NEXUS
    NEXUS 5 December 2017 15: 23
    +4
    According to the Interfax news agency, this was announced in Moscow at HeliRussia-2009 by Sergey Mikheev, general designer of Kamov.
    He said that the program for creating a promising high-speed helicopter involves two parallel developments - Mi-X1 design bureau Mil and Ka-92 KB Kamov.

    LTX Mi-X1 and Ka-92

    Cruising speed, km / h: 350-370 - 420-430

    Maximum speed, km / h: 450 - 500

    Maximum take-off weight, t: 10−12 - 16

    Range, km: 1500 - 1400

    Combat load, t: 3-4 - n / d

    Passenger capacity, people: 20−24 - 30
  4. K-50
    K-50 5 December 2017 15: 47
    +1
    We need a scheme such as a gyroplane with a thrusting propeller, so that after lifting the main propeller is converted into free rotation by a free flow when a certain speed is reached, and the lifting force during movement arises from the aerodynamic qualities of the hull and wings. Then, it seems to me, you can count on 500 km / h, because the lifting screw only gets in the way at high speed, plus it takes power. Transfer it to "electric traction" to make it easier to turn off / on "on the go", so, damn it, the electric motors are painfully heavy. sad . If only some kind of electrical coupling to use. what
    Slippers please do not rush. yes laughing
    1. activator
      activator 5 December 2017 16: 28
      0
      Well or such
      1. K-50
        K-50 5 December 2017 16: 32
        0
        Well or such

        It seems to me that folding the screw on the go will definitely not be buzzing.
        It all works for the Yankens in Holoblud. I’m finding it so difficult an engineering task to counter aerodynamic loads. Although I do not argue, beautiful, yes
    2. tomket
      tomket 5 December 2017 19: 12
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      We need a gyroplane type with a thrusting propeller, so that after lifting the main propeller is converted into free rotation by a free flow when a certain speed is reached, and the lifting force during movement arises from aerodynamic qualities

      It was already. We decided that it is expensive, and traditional it is somehow more familiar. We probably will also decide in the end ...
      1. K-50
        K-50 5 December 2017 21: 20
        0
        Quote: tomket
        It was already. We decided that it is expensive, and traditional it is somehow more familiar. We probably decide the same in the end.

        Now, on a campaign, the cost is no longer so paid attention, especially the Yankens, they will turn on the printing press and only forward.
        I hope that this really interesting engineering project will be brought to mind.
  5. Viktorfi
    Viktorfi 5 December 2017 16: 23
    +1
    It is strange that Russian helicopters are still buying, if what is written in this article is true.
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 5 December 2017 17: 30
      +4
      Quote: Viktorfi
      It is strange that Russian helicopters are still buying, if what is written in this article is true.

      We don’t know how to work, we’re slurping soup. But Israeli helicopters disperse around the world in millions of copies laughing . Teach us the mind dear Israeli friends.
    2. tomket
      tomket 5 December 2017 19: 13
      0
      Quote: Viktorfi
      It is strange that Russian helicopters are still buying, if what is written in this article is true.

      Well, do not buy Israeli)))))
  6. HEATHER
    HEATHER 5 December 2017 16: 29
    +1
    I don’t think that the concept will remain. The high-speed car should have other, sharper forms. Ours took MI-24 and reduced it. Leaving one person in the carriage. This is not good. VK-2500M will become obsolete by the 23rd year. There will be something- it’s new. And the solution in the construction of a new fuselage with engines at 3300 is quite normal. The machine at 2950 will not take speed at 400 at cruising. And the maximum at 550. Yes, and this is not necessary for a helicopter. The blades either crumble or overlap. That is, one will be able to catch up with the other on pilotage. Miles will not make the car. The tail boom introduces restrictions. Kamov is possible. Again, the same. Overlapping. If
    and they’ll come up with something for such speeds for helicopters — it’s going to be an Explosion. Others go the other way. They simply drive a pushing screw. It’s not clear what. And the fact that prototypes fly doesn’t give grounds for their mass production.
    1. ZVO
      ZVO 5 December 2017 20: 54
      0
      Quote: VERESK
      .And the fact that prototypes fly, it does not give grounds for their mass production.


      S-97 Raider has been flying for 4 years.
      And no overlaps.
      Just different blades.
      And he will go to the series.
      and in 10 years, everyone else will also be in the same way.
  7. COJIDAT
    COJIDAT 5 December 2017 18: 47
    0
    Why not tiltrotor?
    1. K-50
      K-50 5 December 2017 21: 26
      0
      Quote: COJIDAT
      Why not tiltrotor?

      The most unreliable and catastrophic due to the slightest misalignment of the engines and screws.
  8. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 5 December 2017 20: 54
    0
    It’s interesting in the laboratories they use wings like on the Mi-24 for the rate of climb, and the Mi-35 was made a stump and even without a retractable chassis, a top to facilitate and thereby save fuel, although initially in Soviet times they made quite a lot of attention on retractable chassis to increase aerodynamics, increase speed and also it affects the movement and lower fuel consumption. What is the point of such stupid innovations, just like with t-72b3 tanks
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 6 December 2017 13: 49
      0
      Quote: ljoha_d
      It’s interesting in the laboratories they use wings like on the Mi-24 for the rate of climb, and the Mi-35 was made a stump and even without a retractable chassis, a top to facilitate and thereby save fuel, although initially in Soviet times they made quite a lot of attention on retractable chassis to increase aerodynamics, increase speed and also it affects the movement and lower fuel consumption. What is the point of such stupid innovations, just like with t-72b3 tanks

      And the point is this: the extra 100 km / h will help you when avoiding a competently stinger. But released chassis will help to survive a hard landing. (because while the chassis breaks and bends - the raft is alive. a complete analogy with the bumper) + some simplification of the design.
      They shortened their wings - they almost never used the extreme pylons. And if you used them, then the middle ones were empty. So they decided to slightly compensate for the deterioration of aerodynamics due to fixed gear
  9. ZVO
    ZVO 5 December 2017 20: 55
    0
    A super-fast helicopter without a pushing propeller is nonsense.
    I do not know. what our "trying to do" is there, but the limit of the usual helicopter scheme - reached by specially trained Link and overcome it in a production car - is unrealistic ...
  10. shuravi
    shuravi 5 December 2017 23: 08
    +2
    Speed ​​helicopter needed. Even on the Mi-24 and then it was not enough. Another thing is that a slight increase in speed led to a strong drop in other characteristics. The same Mi-24 paid altitude.
    In Afghanistan, this is very affected.
    But to build such an aerodynamic disgrace as the Mi-28, it is already beyond common sense.
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 6 December 2017 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: shuravi
      But to build such an aerodynamic disgrace as the Mi-28, it is already beyond common sense.
      It is faster and quieter than a crocodile.)))
  11. Manul
    Manul 6 December 2017 00: 25
    0
    In Russia, it is called a fifth-generation helicopter, although it is difficult to count more than two generations of helicopters in previous versions of Russian combat helicopters, ”the magazine writes.

    Journalists of course. After the 5th generation aircraft, they are ready to punch any technique with this. Yes, and readers are also conducting. We at VO have been observed for a long time. T-14 is already the fifth fool .Although there was even a debate about airplanes, and there seemed to be articles., Unu or grammatical comments expanded .. If only they would repeat for educational program. What are the generations of aircraft, what are the tanks? Helicopters - I do not even agree with the author of the article. Conceptually, helicopters have not changed in any way, if you do not take the first experimental models. So for me - helicopters do not have generations at all, because there is a constant improvement in the type of equipment, without any major breakthroughs. (This plane changed epochically) I Have my Opinion X Contest)))) IMHO
    1. shuravi
      shuravi 6 December 2017 02: 04
      0
      Like this:
      https://librolife.ru/g5859635
  12. kunstkammer
    kunstkammer 10 December 2017 12: 20
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    Quote: Chertt
    it’s necessary to work on new weapons systems, even if according to 70-80 statistics,% of developments go to the table

    write some kind of horror !!! This is how much dough is needed for any scientist-developers to allocate just like that? Who will decide on this? To a modern effective manager ... yes, he carried the loot past his own pocket !? Yes, not a joke!