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How the Americans learned the secrets of the Soviet "nuclear artillery"

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Self-propelled 203-mm gun 2С7 "Peony" has long been considered one of the most powerful in the world. Such weapons belonged to the "atomic artillery" and were intended for the use of tactical nuclear weapons, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


How the Americans learned the secrets of the Soviet "nuclear artillery"


The artillery brigades of a special power reserve of the Supreme High Command were recruited with "peonies".

"Created in the 70s using components and assemblies tanks T-80 and T-72, this super-weapon could hit targets at a distance of 37 km with conventional shells. In the early 90's it was reported that active rockets could hit 55 km. Now in all reference books figure in 47 km appears. A gun can fire three shots in two minutes. The mass of the shell reaches 110 kg, ”- says the material of Lev Romanov.



At the end of the 80-x such guns were delivered under the Warsaw Pact to Poland and Czechoslovakia. The first acquired 8 self-propelled guns, the second 12-th. After the collapse of Czechoslovakia, the Peonies went to the Czech army.

And when these countries came under the influence of the United States and NATO, they opened all the secret documents to them, provided all the equipment they had to study. Former opponents were able to study in detail this powerful self-propelled gun.



To date, the Polish and Czech self-propelled guns are officially decommissioned and are in museums, and one has even got into a private collection in the United States — the Jacques Littlefield armored vehicle museum.
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  1. Kars
    Kars 5 December 2017 13: 23 New
    +9
    The usual 8 inch gun. The main special ammunition. And it is unlikely that the Czech Republic transmitted it.
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 5 December 2017 13: 26 New
      +5
      Therefore, it is not worthwhile to supply our modern weapons to NATO countries, as they say, do not feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest, today he greets his hand and tomorrow he will stab a knife in the back.
      1. DimerVladimer
        DimerVladimer 5 December 2017 14: 45 New
        +5
        Почему нет?
        Weapons have obsolete properties.
        If more advanced weapons can be developed for sold weapons (but not technology), then this path is not excluded. In fact, foreign buyers sponsor the development of the latest Russian weapons - and rightly so.
    2. The_lancet
      The_lancet 5 December 2017 13: 29 New
      +1
      “Created in the 70s using the components and assemblies of the T-80 and T-72 tanks, this super-weapon could hit targets at a distance of 37 km with conventional shells. In the early 90s it was reported that active rockets could hit 55 km. Now in all reference books figure in 47 km appears. A gun can fire three shots in two minutes. The mass of the shell reaches 110 kg

      It looks powerful.
      "Peony"

      Do all Soviet self-propelled guns have flower names or are there exceptions? winked
      And when these countries came under the influence of the United States and NATO, they opened all the secret documents to them, provided all the equipment they had to study. Former opponents were able to study in detail this powerful self-propelled gun.

      They probably studied and understood in detail that our army does not need it. As before, and now.
      No need for such bulky and expensive tools to operate
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 5 December 2017 13: 48 New
        10
        Quote: The_Lancet
        Do all Soviet self-propelled guns have flower names or are there exceptions? winked

        Almost everyone. 2с1 - Carnation, 2с3 - Acacia, 2с4 - Tulip, etc. Exception - 2с19 Msta-s (Msta-river), 2с6 Tunguska, ZSU (Tunguska-river). Well, the Coalition is not in the army yet. Yes, we welcome guests with flowers on the river bank. Welcome! yes
        No need for such bulky and expensive tools to operate
        Well, compared to yours, we have the principle of "cheap and cheerful."
        1. Vladimir16
          Vladimir16 5 December 2017 14: 22 New
          +7
          Quote: The_Lancet
          our army doesn’t need it. Like before, and now.

          Your army needs napalm and yao in order to burn thousands of civilians.
          As before so now.

          And as soon as your army gets a little rebuff, the soldiers immediately rush home and, well, rally with anti-war posters. Or work in politics with make-ups - spraying saliva all over the world.
        2. SOF
          SOF 5 December 2017 14: 44 New
          +2
          Almost everyone. 2с1 - Carnation, 2с3 - Acacia, 2с4 - Tulip, etc. Exception - 2с19 Msta-s (Msta-river), 2с6 Tunguska, ZSU (Tunguska-river). Well, the Coalition is not in the army yet. Yes, we welcome guests with flowers on the river bank. Welcome!

          ... forgot 2С9 NONA - (name or music interval);
          not serial 2С31 VIENNA (city or blood vessel)
          Yes, and Acacia is still a tree. laughing
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 5 December 2017 15: 38 New
            +3
            Quote: SOF
            Yes, and Acacia is still a tree. laughing

            Let's get together in the middle - a bush. laughing Yes, I, in fact, so, "on top" for the lancelet. yes I can’t even imagine the reaction if I rolled out the WHOLE list of our names, again for the WHOLE period, from Katyusha to Nakhlebnik. wassat
      2. Svarog51
        Svarog51 5 December 2017 15: 44 New
        11
        There were also “Condenser" and "Transformer", those are generally terrible monsters with Linkor calibers. So that. good
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 5 December 2017 15: 54 New
          +6
          Quote: Svarog51
          There were also "Capacitor"

          Yes, now we have in the Museum of Artillery. Wow, the beast ... fellow
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 5 December 2017 17: 54 New
            +6
            Alexander, welcome hi Peter, artillery exposition? I saw them there. good
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 5 December 2017 19: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: Svarog51
              Peter, artillery exposition?

              And good evening to you! hi Yes, it is there.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 5 December 2017 19: 43 New
                +5
                If I don’t confuse, then the exposition on the territory of the artillery university?
                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 5 December 2017 21: 16 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Svarog51
                  on the territory of an artillery university?

                  The museum is located in the building of the former arsenal. Museum website: http://www.artillery-museum.ru/
                2. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA 6 December 2017 12: 29 New
                  +2
                  Not. Museum - separately (kronverk Petropavlovka), and the Mikhailovsky Military Art Academy (at Finban) - separately.
                  In front of the facade of the Mikhailovsky Military Artillery Academy (from modern systems) are 2A36 Hyacinth-B, 2C7 Peony (in the photo it was hidden around the corner of the building and “genocide”, only a piece of the barrel sticks out above the anti-rollback wheels, and the nose of the transporter is to the left of the shield) and 2C4 Tulip.

                  And in the yard, according to rumors, there is a towed version of a 240-mm mortar - M-240, and a missile from the Luna shopping and entertainment complex.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 6 December 2017 13: 00 New
                    +5
                    Alex, welcome hi Thanks for the clarifications. Now no problem, and look around the corner

                    and into the yard too

                    The main thing is to know what to look for.
                    Threat. Congratulations to Colonel General. drinks
                    1. Alexey RA
                      Alexey RA 6 December 2017 14: 55 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Alex, welcome

                      Symmetrically! hi
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      and into the yard too

                      Yeah, here it is - the M-240. And even with ammunition. Our professors are ready for war. smile
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      Congratulations to Colonel General

                      Thank you! drinks And then I did not even notice.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 6 December 2017 15: 15 New
                        +4
                        Yes, not at all, thank you for that. I was already going to call my brother and find out everything. He commands the department there. Then he changed his mind, first decided to interrogate GUGL with partiality. This "gentle" program didn’t stand it - it handed me everything and even with pictures, which I hastened to post. wink drinks
                        Threat. I suggest further friendship and switch to "you". good drinks
        2. san4es
          san4es 5 December 2017 16: 16 New
          +5
          Healthy Seryog ... Watch a movie wink ... Polygon about "Peony" soldier
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 5 December 2017 17: 52 New
            +6
            Thank you, Sanya hi You are always on top! Respect. good drinks
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 December 2017 12: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: The_Lancet
        They probably studied and understood in detail that our army does not need it. As before, and now.

        Seriously? That is, М110 (and its younger sister М107) were never produced and were not in service (2 batteries per TD / MD)? wink
      4. Evil Elf
        Evil Elf 10 December 2017 23: 02 New
        0
        Not. Not everyone. But these guns belong to the so-called "Flower Series"
    3. Topotun
      Topotun 5 December 2017 17: 09 New
      +2
      Yeah, the gun itself is unlikely to have anything fundamentally different from foreign guns. In principle, the Americans themselves can make such a barrel. But the special ammunition is yes.
      1. Svarog51
        Svarog51 5 December 2017 18: 02 New
        +5
        Andrey, welcome hi There is another catch here - the quality of the barrel. It directly affects longevity, and partners have problems with this. Our something in the processing of the barrel in the manufacture of smart invented and began to receive better products. It seems our trunks are forged, and the partners have a rental. I can be mistaken, we need to find out from the specialists.
        1. Topotun
          Topotun 6 December 2017 10: 24 New
          +1
          Good day, here you can still proceed from the fact that in real military operations such artillery mounts will be the first to be knocked out. So a large service line does not seem to be needed .... wink
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 6 December 2017 10: 44 New
            +5
            Here I agree with you, during the period of hostilities there will be a real hunt for them. Therefore, they reduced them in the first place, replaced by OTRK, in which both mobility and range are higher. But for the peaceful period of their army service, more durable weapons are needed. Well, do not change the trunks after a couple of hundred shots. hi
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  3. vovanpain
    vovanpain 5 December 2017 13: 25 New
    15
    Even with the collapse of the USSR and the Warsaw Bloc, the West got a lot through the countries of the former socialist camp. request And the traitor still lives. negative
    1. novel66
      novel66 5 December 2017 13: 33 New
      13
      God forbid, die. also the Gorbachev Center will appear on our head!
      1. Going
        Going 5 December 2017 13: 44 New
        +5
        Quote: vovanpain
        And the traitor still lives. negative


        Notice, not a bad life.
        1. askort154
          askort154 5 December 2017 13: 55 New
          +2
          Going.....Notice, not a bad life.

          He began to live better, only after filming in advertising. wink
          1. Going
            Going 5 December 2017 13: 58 New
            +4
            Of course, only after advertising, and how else to legalize the “30 silver coins”.
          2. novel66
            novel66 5 December 2017 14: 02 New
            +4
            I hope hemorrhoids and prostatitis do not leave him alone!
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 5 December 2017 18: 05 New
              +5
              Roman, welcome hi Better to keep one tooth and that one is forever sick. lol
              1. novel66
                novel66 5 December 2017 18: 22 New
                +3
                Nooo, it’s better that, like my mother-in-law’s, two teeth, one to hurt, and open the other bottle!
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 5 December 2017 20: 36 New
                  +5
                  So you know the second part of the wish from Vinokur? good
      2. Rostislav
        Rostislav 5 December 2017 15: 04 New
        0
        It’s better, God forbid that he dies, and God forbid that the Gorbachev Center appear.
        1. novel66
          novel66 5 December 2017 18: 22 New
          +3
          to die early - first let him suffer in life!
  4. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 5 December 2017 13: 35 New
    0
    In St. Petersburg in the courtyard of the artillery museum stands. The former "allies" have given a lot of things to the NATO members, and what to take from them is the "Geyropeians"!
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 5 December 2017 13: 47 New
      +4
      The most unpleasant thing is that as soon as the wind changes, these "allies" will rush back, and with all the NATO iron ...
      1. Sauron80
        Sauron80 5 December 2017 14: 31 New
        0
        So the United States I am supplying them with weapons from the series, God forbid, that is not good for us.
      2. Makarov
        Makarov 5 December 2017 14: 34 New
        0
        in your fantasies this wind itself will change? I just clarify this ...
        1. engineer74
          engineer74 5 December 2017 15: 54 New
          0
          Remember how many times the wind has already changed ... Or, do you think, "The End of History"? laughing
          1. Makarov
            Makarov 5 December 2017 17: 51 New
            0
            I think that “by itself” nothing has ever been done. And the "end of history" judging by the "rates" is a very likely outcome and this is not at all funny for Russians ...
  5. Simon
    Simon 5 December 2017 14: 19 New
    0
    Yes! This says that there were no friends and allies in Russia, except for its own army, navy and VKS! soldier
  6. Simon
    Simon 5 December 2017 14: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    The usual 8 inch gun. The main special ammunition. And it is unlikely that the Czech Republic transmitted it.

    The main thing is the manufacturing technology of this gun and ammunition! They’ll take apart the bones and study everything. request
    1. Young_Communist
      Young_Communist 5 December 2017 14: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Simon
      The main thing is the manufacturing technology of this gun and ammunition! They’ll take apart the bones and study everything.

      And they will learn the sacred technological secrets of 50 years ago, which they still do not know? Why anxiety is not an armata, but a pipe manufactured in the 70s on the same chassis growth.
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky 5 December 2017 15: 18 New
        0
        this is not an armata, but a pipe manufactured in the 70s on a chassis of the same age.

        I absolutely agree with you. And passed it about 25 years ago .... "News" however!
      2. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 6 December 2017 17: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Young_Communist
        And they will learn the sacred technological secrets of 50 years ago, which they still do not know?

        Moreover, they tested the "atomic gun" for a long time and abandoned such an idea.
  7. Simon
    Simon 5 December 2017 14: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Spartanez300
    Therefore, it is not worthwhile to supply our modern weapons to NATO countries, as they say, do not feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest, today he greets his hand and tomorrow he will stab a knife in the back.

    Well, how not to deliver? In Syria, the T-90, the same fighters hit, and in India, the Americans let us into our boat they rented! Trust you! request recourse
  8. thinker
    thinker 5 December 2017 16: 29 New
    +2
    ... and one even got into a private collection in the USA - in the museum of armored vehicles of Jacques Littlefield.

    Unfortunately, such a museum is no longer
    Littlefield died in 2009. The heirs worried about his collection only from a financial point of view - since its content required a lot of money. Nevertheless, the Littlefield Museum existed for several more years, until this winter a final decision was made to sell it.
    17 July 2014 g
    https://motor.kz/post/nasledie-littlfilda-dorogog
    o-stoit-22858 /
  9. juneart
    juneart 5 December 2017 16: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: SOF
    Almost everyone. 2с1 - Carnation, 2с3 - Acacia, 2с4 - Tulip, etc. Exception - 2с19 Msta-s (Msta-river), 2с6 Tunguska, ZSU (Tunguska-river). Well, the Coalition is not in the army yet. Yes, we welcome guests with flowers on the river bank. Welcome!

    ... forgot 2С9 NONA - (name or music interval);
    not serial 2С31 VIENNA (city or blood vessel)
    Yes, and Acacia is still a tree. laughing


    NONA - the latest weapon of ground artillery.
  10. albert
    albert 5 December 2017 18: 44 New
    0
    There is infa that in the version of "Malki", Peony shoots active-rockets at 90 km.
  11. groks
    groks 5 December 2017 19: 06 New
    0
    What could they find out there? As an instrument they could be more interested in the magnificent Hyacinth.
  12. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 5 December 2017 20: 50 New
    +2
    The name is completely inconsistent with the content. The USSR did not transfer atomic ammunition to Czechs and Poles, so what about the installation of atomic?
    1. Black5Raven
      Black5Raven 6 December 2017 17: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      The USSR did not transfer atomic ammunition to Czechs and Poles, so what about the installation of atomic?

      In addition, the Americans themselves tested their own atomic guns and long ago abandoned such an idea, why would they?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 6 December 2017 21: 04 New
        0
        Well, getting into someone else's ammunition and looking at engineering solutions is always interesting, although the artillery delivery method for tactical nuclear weapons seems to be outdated.
  13. Steve57
    Steve57 6 December 2017 05: 07 New
    +2
    Do not use populist headlines like the yellow press.
  14. madjik
    madjik 6 December 2017 17: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: Spartanez300
    Therefore, it is not worthwhile to supply our modern weapons to NATO countries, as they say, do not feed the wolf, he still looks into the forest, today he greets his hand and tomorrow he will stab a knife in the back.

    HERE for this, an export option is provided!