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The New York Times reported the inability of the Patriot complex to shoot down a Hussite rocket.

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The allegations that the Saudi Arabia’s air defense system destroyed a Hussite ballistic missile in November when approaching the capital, Riyadh, could be false, reports RIA News New York Times newspaper report.




In early November, it was reported that American-made Saudi Patriot complexes in the north-east of Riyadh had shot down a missile, allegedly of Iranian origin, which had been launched by the Hussis from Yemen. Commenting on this post, Donald Trump said the United States produces the very best. weapon in the world and it is bought in many countries.

However, the newspaper, based on an analysis of photo and video materials, believes that "the rocket overcame air defense and exploded near the airport of Riyadh."

The publication notes that "the found debris did not contain elements of the warhead." Probably, during the flight she separated from the rocket, which was only then affected by the air defense. The charge continued its flight and fell near the airport.

The newspaper cites eyewitness accounts of a powerful explosion. In addition, the publication has published satellite images, which show a darkening at the intended location of the explosion, and photographs from the ground, in which smoke is visible near the airport.

The author recalls that earlier Washington had already overestimated the effectiveness of the Patriot. Thus, during the Persian Gulf War, the Pentagon reported on almost one hundred percent defeat of the Soviet-made Iraqi missiles P-17. However, subsequent studies have shown that almost all attempts to intercept these missiles were unsuccessful.
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 5 December 2017 08: 31 New
    +4
    Soviet rockets copied soundly! But this is just an analogue, what can they oppose to the new original?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 5 December 2017 09: 45 New
      +4
      "The New York Times reports on the Patriot complex’s inability to shoot down a Hussite rocket."
      "Washington previously overestimated the effectiveness of Patriot"

      -Well, if it even dawned on them, that’s why the case of the Patriot
    2. Slovak
      Slovak 5 December 2017 12: 56 New
      +2
      Advertising and certification.
  2. pvv113
    pvv113 5 December 2017 08: 31 New
    11
    Donald Trump said the United States produces the best weapons in the world and is bought in many countries

    So the suckers that are influenced by American advertising have not yet been translated
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 5 December 2017 08: 34 New
      +5
      It’s expensive in the United States to advertise weapons made by their president! Therefore, Trump, and not the facts will be believed.
    2. Logall
      Logall 5 December 2017 08: 35 New
      16
      Quote: pvv113
      Donald Trump said the United States produces the best weapons in the world and is bought in many countries

      So the suckers that are influenced by American advertising have not yet been translated

      Man, Greetings, this is not an advertisement! The rollback system was not invented in Russia ...
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 5 December 2017 08: 41 New
        +5
        Greetings, Alexander! I agree - kickbacks play an important role, but you also need to be able to push shit at a premium price
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 5 December 2017 08: 53 New
          +9
          Sasha, Volodya - hello! hi Well, is NYT also an agent of Putin if he pours mud on "the world's best weapon"? wassat
          1. Logall
            Logall 5 December 2017 09: 01 New
            12
            Quote: pvv113
            push shit at a premium price must also be able to

            Duc, this is `` exceptional d ***** '' of the highest grade! They do not hold another bully
            1. pvv113
              pvv113 5 December 2017 09: 21 New
              +3
              Well this is already as usual lol
          2. pvv113
            pvv113 5 December 2017 09: 21 New
            +5
            Again Russian trace? belay
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 5 December 2017 09: 32 New
              +7
              What for invent a bicycle? There is Russia on which you can blame any failures. yes
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 5 December 2017 09: 56 New
                +4
                It’s a very convenient position, so dill is used for it - we learned from the owners
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 5 December 2017 09: 58 New
                  +6
                  If only dill ... The whole "civilized" world.
                  1. pvv113
                    pvv113 5 December 2017 10: 03 New
                    +4
                    It turns out that it’s not so civilized, since they can’t come up with anything new and take advantage of the delirium born in the remnants of the owner’s inflamed brain lol
                    1. Jedi
                      Jedi 5 December 2017 10: 16 New
                      +7
                      That's why I spun such a civilization, together with their fucking values ​​on the spindle! bully
                      1. pvv113
                        pvv113 5 December 2017 10: 18 New
                        +3
                        Max, not you alone wink
              2. Dead duck
                Dead duck 5 December 2017 09: 57 New
                +8
                Maxim, welcome hi
                Behind the noise from the explosion of rockets forgot about

                give them at least a "death star", they still will not be able to control and they will say bad winked
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 5 December 2017 10: 03 New
                  +5
                  Vitaliy, salute! hi Nobody canceled hand-guns, especially in BV. wink
              3. rocket757
                rocket757 5 December 2017 10: 00 New
                +7
                Who ran the complex ... Arabs! The Yankees, of course, prepared the staff, but from my practice, I can say, I have not seen the worst cadets. The same applies to the Syrians and Egyptians.
                "Patriot" is not a super-duper system, but it performs its functions. New modifications work with dignity. Saying that the Yankees can’t make good weapons is too much.
                And he does not praise his weapons, only a loser (they did not give the truth to write, sorry) !!!
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 5 December 2017 10: 06 New
                  +6
                  Hello, hello! hi One friend of mine once told me the story of how, during the Arab-Israeli conflict, Egyptian anti-aircraft gunners fired from Soviet MANPADS as a bazooka, without capturing the target of the GOS. It seems like this was the reason for the appearance of an anecdote on the topic of air-to-ground and ground-to-air missiles. lol
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 5 December 2017 11: 02 New
                    +6
                    Hello Pasha.
                    For real events, only from the words of colleagues and this is such an army folk !!! I later “collided” with the Arabs and immediately realized why it was so ...
                    I already wrote that with respect to whom I belong - Indo-China, Cuba, Angola ... however, to the sons of Israel, too.
            2. Slovak
              Slovak 5 December 2017 12: 58 New
              +1
              about the Russian silent. 50% of the missing missiles will not be remembered during the shelling of the Syrian air base
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 5 December 2017 13: 46 New
                +2
                That's for sure, somehow inconvenient lol
  3. RASKAT
    RASKAT 5 December 2017 08: 33 New
    +4
    Yes, in my opinion, back in the first Iraq war, they (at the Patriots) had a percentage of intercepts of Iraq's Scud missiles of about 20%. Of course, the Americans do not supply newer air defense modifications for export, and perhaps all modifications leave much to be desired in their combat readiness. Damn not so terrible .........
    1. Berber
      Berber 5 December 2017 08: 39 New
      +3
      Therefore, the Saudis were thinking about buying a C400.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 5 December 2017 10: 10 New
        +4
        There are absolutely no breakable complexes !!! There are more or less effective ones.
        The Yankees bring their minds to mind, we do ours, other countries, too ... truncated versions / models are usually exported .. that's fine.
        Of course, in minor conflicts the air defense missile defense should be without problems, but here it depends on the personnel !!!
        You think sho Arabs and with our weapons do not mess up ??? Oh, I do not believe it!
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 December 2017 08: 37 New
    +2
    The Yankees need to be hired by the Ukrointsev State Department - every school of the United States will be presented to the world as a cunning plan, with a victory, of course, the United States and their weapons! wassat In the art of lies, ukrovoyaki and politicians have reached cosmic heights!
    1. Jackyun
      Jackyun 5 December 2017 08: 42 New
      +2
      Taki Petrushka said so _ Ukraine is a space power.
  5. Alexander War
    Alexander War 5 December 2017 08: 38 New
    +5
    https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/683313.html Саудовская ПВО так и не сбила ту самую йеменскую ракету над Эр-Риядом
  6. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 December 2017 08: 47 New
    +2
    almost all attempts to intercept these missiles were unsuccessful.
    What the Americans are well advanced and delivered is advertising. Any rubbish is wrapped in a beautiful piece of paper and they say it is the best in the world. Therefore, the United States is now actively selling its "Patriots" to "friends and supporters in the fight," well aware of their real capabilities.
  7. Kleber
    Kleber 5 December 2017 08: 48 New
    +1
    The New York Times reported the inability of the Patriot complex to shoot down a Hussite rocket.


    The NYT article is clearly not random and 100 percent ordered. Someone wants a lot of money for the design of new complexes.
  8. tlauicol
    tlauicol 5 December 2017 08: 50 New
    +1
    R17 has an inseparable warhead. Article for kindling
  9. g1washntwn
    g1washntwn 5 December 2017 08: 52 New
    +2
    This episode is clearly classified, as reputational losses on all sides would be too critical. The news is nothing more than an assumption, the argument is present but it is clearly not enough. Are the Saudis complexes modernized or not? (you can assume that both the old complexes and those that have already undergone modernization) What kind of rocket was launched by the Hussites? (you can assume both obsolete, where the warhead is inseparable, and the Chinese counterpart), etc. etc. That can both confirm the assumptions made in the article and refute them with a probability of 50x50. You can take it as a version, no more.
    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 5 December 2017 09: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: g1washntwn
      This episode is clearly classified, as reputational losses on all sides would be too critical.

      For "pants" is critical only if there is a complete destruction. They will survive the rest. yes
      Since the time of the Iraq war, the "quality" of patriots has been known ... and yet this did not prevent its spread. request
  10. Graz
    Graz 5 December 2017 09: 07 New
    +1
    in principle, I read about 5% of the effectiveness of a patriot during the 1 Iraq war, there is nothing new
  11. rpuropuu
    rpuropuu 5 December 2017 09: 38 New
    +1
    The author recalls that previously Washington has already overestimated the effectiveness of Patriot.
    Probably served without medical gloves recourse laughing
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 5 December 2017 09: 59 New
    +3
    These missiles have NO separable warheads.
    Probably after the hit of the Patriot, she fell apart
    in parts and warhead by inertia continued to fly toward the target.
    This was the case in Israel in 1991 with the Iraqi Scuds of the late Hussein.
    1. _Jack_
      _Jack_ 5 December 2017 11: 02 New
      +5
      if "the inertia-based warhead continued to fly toward the target" then, in fact, the air defense mission was not completed
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 5 December 2017 12: 49 New
        +3
        It's right. The problem of close interceptions. But it’s better to have such an "under" interception,
        than no. After all, if the attacking rocket is accurate, then it’s still useful
        at least slightly off course its warhead. Then it will not hit an important object.
        Like in this case. A warhead exploded NEAR the airfield, and not the airfield itself.
        (during kamikaze attacks on American aircraft carriers, air defense often managed to break
        the plane to pieces, but part of them fell on the aircraft carrier and caused fires ...)
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 5 December 2017 12: 54 New
        +3
        There is such a moment, the object did not receive critical damage. This is not considered a successful interception. At the skad, warheads with conventional explosives should detonate ... but couldn’t go? no credit!
  13. X
    X Y Z 5 December 2017 10: 40 New
    +2
    When the native is given the master’s weapon, he must not wrinkle his nose and test it for effectiveness. This is unnecessary. His purpose is completely different. The fact of handing over imposes on the native the aura of the faithful Padawan of the great lord, and all those around him should be afraid and trembling already. Problems arise when the master loses his status of "great and terrible" and the weapons have to be put into action. Insight will not be easy.
  14. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 5 December 2017 11: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Tlauicol
    R17 has an inseparable warhead. Article for kindling

    This was not R-17, but Burkan-2 with a range of 1000 km. and detachable warhead.
    For a ready-made and effective weapon, you can get a lot more money than for developing a new one.
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 5 December 2017 11: 48 New
      +1
      Thanks for clarifying hi It's just that in the article, apart from p17 and Patriot, other missiles do not appear
  15. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 5 December 2017 11: 42 New
    0
    The main thing is that no matter what good, they do not create a replacement, but everything goes exactly to that.
  16. Old26
    Old26 5 December 2017 11: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: rocket757
    Who ran the complex ... Arabs! The Yankees, of course, prepared the staff, but from my practice, I can say, I have not seen the worst cadets. The same applies to the Syrians and Egyptians.
    "Patriot" is not a super-duper system, but it performs its functions. New modifications work with dignity. Saying that the Yankees can’t make good weapons is too much.
    And he does not praise his weapons, only a loser (they did not give the truth to write, sorry) !!!

    Well said. And most importantly to the point. And sometimes you read replicas and it turns out that the weapon is to blame, and not those who exploit it .. Moreover, given the sad experience of reading materials written by military experts of newspapers, you understand that they will write everything that was just ordered. It is enough to read the phrase that the rocket did not contain warheads and the conclusion drawn from this is understandable. And the one who did not find traces of the warhead on the wreckage of the corps, he interestingly found traces of defeat on the corps or not. In short, another "investigation" at the level of "NI" and similar publications ...

    Quote: RASKAT
    Yes, in my opinion, back in the first Iraq war, they (at the Patriots) had a percentage of intercepts of Iraq's Scud missiles of about 20%. Of course, the Americans do not supply newer air defense modifications for export, and perhaps all modifications leave much to be desired in their combat readiness. Damn not so terrible .........


    It was. And we will long remember the war of a quarter century ago ?? For some reason, talking about our technology we are talking about its latest samples, and not about the first modifications that appeared around the same time and had not the best characteristics. It is clear that to justify ... enemy weapons is our national fun. Enemy weapons are always crap. True, then this shit gives a request ... to those who already thought so
    When it turns out that the probability of hitting a ballistic target did not stay at the 1991 level, as we are pleased to consider, but reaches already 0,8. And this enemy missile can hit no longer at a distance 20 km at height 11, and already at a distance from 35 to 65 and at the heights to 25 km. And that missile speed is already 5M. not 3Mas it was before. Then we grab hold of our heads and start feverishly searching for “the enemy” who “did not report to us” about this. But everything is simple. Do not consider the enemy stupid and do not assume that he does not make any conclusions.

    You are right to write that in 1991 the probability of hitting a single missile was small. She really was order 0,3-0,4 (not 20%, as you wrote).
    Moreover, it was already the second modification of the "Patriot", so-called RAS-1 with rockets MIM-104V. The first modification is just "Patriot" with rockets MIM-104A in general Could not hit ballistic targets. PAC-1 was tested on the Lance rocket with a firing range of 75 km. And this complex was capable of intercepting tactical missiles. But the whole point is that the SCAD is not a tactical, but an operational-tactical missile with all its differences.

    Realizing that the complex is not enough to intercept the OTP, the Americans modernized it. Moreover, they upgraded several times. Therefore, rockets designed to destroy jammers and radar directors appeared. And missiles designed to intercept precisely ballistic missiles.
    Modifications appeared PAC-2 (with MIM-104C missile), PAC-2 GEM (with MIM-104D missile), PAC-2 GEM / C and PAC-2GEM / T (GEM +) with MIM-104E missile (adapted to intercept winged GEM / C and PAC-3 ballistic GEM / T missiles with the MIM-104F and PAC-3 MSE missiles exclusively as anti-missile systems. Now on the way modification PAAC-4. And we all continue to recall the events of 25 years ago and the failure of the Americans during the interception of Soviet SCADS. So after all, the target even then hit a small number of missiles. True, the anti-missile consumption was really very large, almost 5-7 for each SCAD.
    So SHOULD NOT BE UNDERESTIMATED probable adversary. They are just like we know how to draw conclusions.

    Quote: BerBer
    Therefore, the Saudis were thinking about buying a C400.

    Not only because of this. Parameters of the S-400 differ from the parameters of the Patriot. These are complexes of a different class. And the Saudis need a "long arm." By the way, the sale will allow even the first time to test this complex not in exercises, but in real combat conditions ...

    Quote: Tlauicol
    R17 has an inseparable warhead. Article for kindling

    Our R-17s are no longer there a long time ago. Now only Iranian. What specific modifications no one says. Some of them are with a detachable head, part with an inseparable. But there are generally ballistic missiles. created on the basis of anti-aircraft missiles from the S-75 complex
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 5 December 2017 12: 42 New
    0
    The joke is that the Patriots are not able to shoot down missiles. They were not created for this. But the Yankees are modestly silent about this. Frankly lie. They generally have no systems of short-range defense against missile attacks. But it seems that they did not agree with the Israelis on the purchase of their Dome.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 December 2017 18: 31 New
      +2
      There is a Patriot-1 against aircraft, a Patriot-2 with the ability
      medium range interception (close interception up to 70) and
      Patriot-3 - specializes in infantry fighting vehicles (close interception up to 35 km).
      In Saudi deployed Patriot-2.
  18. mavrus
    mavrus 5 December 2017 18: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: Deadush
    Maxim, welcome hi
    Behind the noise from the explosion of rockets forgot about

    give them at least a "death star", they still will not be able to control and they will say bad winked

    I had a lieutenant colonel in the military department, a complete nonsense, and when the rest of the teachers were outraged that the students didn’t know a damn thing, he calmly replied that he trained Arabs in the military base (at the beginning of the 70s) (I don’t remember which air defense complexes) and they can’t do it by the foot, “mine doesn’t take yours,” until it “shandarahnul over your head” and the neighboring complex did not cover. So these Arabs learned everything in almost a week, they complied with all the standards, and at the same time they spoke Russian almost without accent. It's all about motivation.
  19. bmv04636
    bmv04636 4 March 2019 05: 24 New
    -2
    mda and where and where did bingo bongo go
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 4 March 2019 16: 06 New
      0
      Quote: bmv04636
      mda and where and where did bingo bongo go

      I do not see you either fool You have several people to compare the Saudi "Patriot" RAK-2 with C-300PS. But for you it is too difficult. You are a "patriot" wassat
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 4 March 2019 18: 35 New
        0
        I suggest you compare your “Patriot” RAK-2, for example, the S-400 or, in extreme cases, the S-300vm Antey-2500, why not compare them with them. Let's compare if your overlord has no leisure
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 5 March 2019 02: 07 New
          0
          Quote: bmv04636
          I suggest you compare your "Patriot" RAK-2 well, for example C-400 or in extreme cases with c-300вм

          And when C-300BM and C-400 when adopted, and when the "Patriot" RAK-2? In addition, you manifest yourself as a frankly "stupid man" fool Why is this "Patriot" my? wassat Maybe you have a "overlord", and Sergei my husband. And I, unlike you, at least 1,5 of the year served as a contract.
          1. bmv04636
            bmv04636 5 March 2019 04: 58 New
            0
            I’m sorry I didn’t want to offend you, but the Patriot has had big problems lately. Well, things are not going well with this ZRK (it is evident on Monday that his mother gave birth). The Saudis do not fly where necessary (although you can object to their hands they may have hooks). But even the Jews with this complex of problems have problems (although hands from there grow from where you need and you have a head on your shoulders). So you have only to threaten him and impose on everyone