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In the Defense Ministry commented on the publication in the media about the losses of soldiers for 2012-2016 years

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On the eve of the newspaper "Vedomosti" appeared a publication entitled as follows: "The Ministry of Defense revealed the loss of soldiers in the 2012 – 2016 years." The authors (Alexey Nikolsky and Emma Terchenko) as a starting point for obtaining information about the “losses” of the RF Ministry of Defense consider data on payments of insurance companies for a specified period of time. Based on these data, the authors came to the following conclusions: in 2012, 630 servicemen of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation died, in 2013-m - 596, in 2014-m - 790, in 2015-m - 626.


From the material "Sheets":
The figure received insurance because of the death of the insured each year also includes a certain number of insured in the previous year.


In the Defense Ministry commented on the publication in the media about the losses of soldiers for 2012-2016 years


The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation responded to the publication in the newspaper Vedomosti. In the main military department of the country, it was noted that over 80% of insurance claims do not occur specifically in the army, but during off-duty hours, outside the location of military units.

RIA News Leads messages representative of the Russian Defense Ministry:
Often they (these cases) qualify as accidents and domestic injuries. The amount of funds provided for payments on insured events remains almost unchanged, and its increase is due to inflation. In addition, the number of insurance claims takes into account the persons who have passed a year since they were discharged from military service.


In other words, the Ministry of Defense states that according to insurance payments it is impossible to declare that it was precisely such a number of “losses” that the Armed Forces suffered during a given time period.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 5 December 2017 06: 13 New
    +6
    Right now, the Ministry of Defense is obliged to prosecute these press officers for criminal liability so that others do not slander the army!
    1. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
      Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 5 December 2017 06: 23 New
      +5
      What is clivet?
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 5 December 2017 06: 45 New
        +3
        Comrade Stegosaurus Brontosaurus hi - I hope you’re not writing from a kindergarten, if you ask such questions, or does the Brontosaurus have a concept of clivet? lol
    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 5 December 2017 06: 24 New
      13
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Moscow Oblast is obliged to attract

      Actually, something else is interesting here. The number of military personnel of the Russian Army in 2015 was 980 thousand people who died for various reasons (or who died exclusively during the fighting, according to Vedomosti journalists) in the same year - 626, i.e. 63 people per 100 thousand. At the same time, in 2015, the mortality rate of working-age men in the Russian Federation was 197 people. per 100 thousand
      In short, a civilian is three times more likely to accumulate than in the army yes
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 5 December 2017 06: 45 New
        +5
        63 people per 100 thousand ... in the Russian Federation was 197 people. per 100 thousand
        A good and reasoned answer. With these numbers, and even in the faces of the authors of the article in the Vedomosti
        Authors (Alexey Nikolsky and Emma Terchenko)
        And they so wanted hot.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 5 December 2017 06: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: rotmistr60
          A good and reasoned answer.
          Thank you hi I would also add that according to the same data from the Federal State Statistics Service, the mortality of men of working age from external causes in 2015 amounted to 142 people. 100 thousand. That is, the probability of dying in a traffic accident, in a drunken brawl or as a result of an industrial injury is more than two times higher than (if we take the conclusions of Vedomosti on faith) to die in battle.
          Quote: rotmistr60
          And they so wanted hot.
          And they just can’t statistics smile
          1. ando_bor
            ando_bor 5 December 2017 09: 53 New
            0
            Army death statistics include
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            the probability of dying in traffic accidents, in a drunken brawl or as a result of an industrial injury
            at times (from 3 times to 8, for various reasons) less than a civilian, + the probability of dying in battle, is more than two times less than dying in a civilian way.
            Suicides, (they also include the number of army deaths) in a civilian and in the army are approximately the same, and this is almost half of all deaths in the army.
      2. Karaul73
        Karaul73 5 December 2017 08: 15 New
        +3
        So in the army there are much fewer alcoholics, drug addicts and inadequate than in civilian life. So the indicators are better.
      3. ando_bor
        ando_bor 5 December 2017 08: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        a civilian is three times more likely to congest than in the army

        Yes, I don’t remember the specific numbers, I looked when the statistics were open, mortality in the army for various reasons - crime, traffic accidents, all kinds of accidents, many times (from 3 to 8) less than for a civilian in the corresponding gender and age group, except for suicides, suicides are approximately the same - you can’t hide from yourself in the army, and this is almost half of the deaths in the army.
      4. RF man
        RF man 5 December 2017 09: 15 New
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        for 2015 - 980 thousand people

        Do not forget about NOT military personnel working in the RF Ministry of Defense., And their number is not much less,. According to the legislation of the Russian Federation, insurance payments are due to ANY employee who died in the "production". Though a downed pilot, even a cook who was killed by electric current
      5. RF man
        RF man 5 December 2017 09: 19 New
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        At the same time, in 2015, mortality of men of working age in the Russian Federation was 197 people. per 100 thousand

        The observation is interesting, but these 197 people will also include military personnel if they died outside the "workplace". Or maybe ALL are included
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 5 December 2017 09: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
          Do not forget about NOT military personnel working in the RF Ministry of Defense., And their number is not much less
          The material in question is specifically about military personnel
          Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
          .. these 197 people will also include military personnel if they died outside the "workplace"
          Moreover, this number includes military personnel who died in the line of duty, because they are citizens of the Russian Federation and are taken into account by all-Russian statistics.
          One thing is certain: for the period 2012-2015. only 2014 is knocked out of the average annual mortality rate in the RA. Exceeding one and a half hundred people. "North wind"?
    3. analgin
      analgin 5 December 2017 07: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Right now, the Ministry of Defense is obliged to prosecute these press officers for criminal liability so that others do not slander the army!

      And what is there about?
    4. opus
      opus 5 December 2017 11: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Right now, the Ministry of Defense is obliged to bring the criminal responsibility to the cleavage of these press officers.

      where are the "clips" of the "pressovik"?
      You have read the article "pressovikov" (huch eye)?
      https://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2017/1
      2 / 04 / 744095-poteri-rossiiskoi-armii

      Attention is drawn to the local peak of mortality in the army in 2014, when it reached 790 people against 593 in 2013 and 626 in 2015. In 2015, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine accused Russia of invading Ukraine in mid-August - early September Russian troops in the amount of eight battalions, which thwarted Ukrainian plans for encircling and storming Donetsk and Lugansk. The Russian Defense Ministry has repeatedly denied these allegations. But if they correspond to reality, says a former defense officer, the losses of the Russian army in this operation - according to the tender data - were about the same level as during the war in South Ossetia in 2008, when a soldier died 71.
      The figure received insurance because of the death of the insured each year also includes a certain number of insured in the previous year. Therefore, the data from this table should not be taken as the number of dead servicemen this year, the source said in the Ministry of Defense.
      Operational comment "Sogaz" could not be obtained.


      "klIveta" where I ask?


      Quote: Herkulesich
      so that others do not cleave the army!

      than, then you comrade to me. V. Smirnov remind.
      Threat.

      The Ministry of Defense has ceased to publish statistics about the dead from all causes (illness, murder, suicide, accidents, accidents, including exercises, combat casualties) of military personnel from 2010.
      If it had not "ceased," and there would be no questions.
      A ceased, now rule the ball

      ===============================================

      Article 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
      part 1,2

      Federal Law of 06.03.1998 “On Military Duty and Military Service”

      Federal Law of the Russian Federation No. 306-ФЗ dated November 7, November 2011 "On the monetary allowance of military personnel and the provision of separate payments to them"


      n.5 2. Federal Law of March 28 1998 N 52-ФЗ "On compulsory state insurance of life and health of military personnel, citizens called up for military training, individuals of the rank and file of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation, the State Fire Service, and drug trafficking control authorities means and psychotropic substances, employees of institutions and bodies of the penal system "

      What to hide and powder the brain about the death / injury of military personnel?
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 December 2017 06: 41 New
    +3
    It’s so little that there’s just nothing to raise about. By the way, this also indicates that 100500 Russian troops, whom the "valiant" AFU killed in the Donbass, are nothing more than a myth.
    Because, as stated in the article, the account goes on the “vacationers”, and recently retired! wassat
    1. creak
      creak 5 December 2017 08: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      It's so little that there’s just nothing to raise about

      Of course a little, if it is not your relative. And a lot, how much?
      1. Black5Raven
        Black5Raven 5 December 2017 17: 38 New
        0
        Quote: ranger
        Of course a little, if it is not your relative. And a lot, how much?

        A hundred less, a hundred more - who cares and who considers them. He died in exercises, not in wartime, killed in part / brought to suicide - the motherland will not forget. That's how it counts.

        It is in peacetime then.
  3. ImPerts
    ImPerts 5 December 2017 07: 14 New
    0
    Thus, we can safely say that mortality for various reasons in the RF Armed Forces does not exceed the national average and does not differ from world ones.
  4. Alexander War
    Alexander War 5 December 2017 07: 29 New
    +2
    Mortality is high, by battalion per year in peacetime sad
    1. BAI
      BAI 5 December 2017 08: 58 New
      +3
      And on the roads per year - 3 Afghanistan.
  5. Leprikon5656
    Leprikon5656 5 December 2017 07: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: Herkulesich
    kliva

    Correctly spelled cleveta. Read books))
  6. Colonel
    Colonel 5 December 2017 07: 36 New
    +1
    data on payments of insurance companies for a specified period of time.

    Payment, payment of discord. I also received an insurance payment during the service.
    1. analgin
      analgin 5 December 2017 07: 51 New
      0
      Quote: colonel
      data on payments of insurance companies for a specified period of time.

      Payment, payment of discord. I also received an insurance payment during the service.

      Have you ever read an article in Vedomosti? Did you receive payment due to death?
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 5 December 2017 11: 56 New
        +1
        I read an article on the VO website and commented on my phrase.
    2. opus
      opus 5 December 2017 12: 36 New
      0
      Quote: colonel
      Payment, payment of discord. I also received an insurance payment during the service.

      1. Colonel
        Colonel 5 December 2017 12: 52 New
        +1
        What's this? A fragment of the application to the order? A fragment of an extract from what ever? It looks unconvincing, I'm not talking about numbers, I'm about form.
        1. opus
          opus 5 December 2017 16: 13 New
          0
          Quote: colonel
          What is that?


          Order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation of 24 December 2015 No. 833 “On the Organization in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of compulsory state life and health insurance for military personnel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and citizens called up for military training.”

          Prim Order of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation of 26 in April of 2013 No. 325 “On the Organization in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of compulsory state life and health insurance for military personnel of the armed forces of the Russian Federation and citizens called up for military training” has become invalid.


          Quote: colonel
          It looks unconvincing


          imagine your "persuasiveness", you
          Quote: colonel
          I also received an insurance payment during the service.

          I hope not to 1998?


          or with 2015?
          1. Colonel
            Colonel 5 December 2017 16: 33 New
            +1
            I present my persuasiveness: I raised the order of 2015, the table with the insured events you have given since 2012 is neither in the order, nor in the applications. He raised the law of 1998 No. 52-FZ, to which the order refers, strange, no. Already not in the "Memo ....."? Well, who, if not you, should know how document attachments are drawn up?
            1. opus
              opus 5 December 2017 17: 16 New
              0
              Quote: colonel
              , also no.

              in Sogaz, the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Defense are looking for
              Quote: colonel
              So who, if not you, know how the attachments to the documents are made out?

              God has mercy, much less these are "those applications."
              This is the docking of a citizen (Insurance + Ministry of Finance of Russia) and the defense industry
              look carefully at
              Quote: colonel
              Fragment of an extract from what be?

              Order of the Ministry of Finance of Russia from 14.04.2017 № 63н
              See

              The procedure for determining the size of the insurance tariff for compulsory state life insurance and health insurance of military personnel, citizens called up for military training, members of the private and commanding staff of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation, the State Fire Service, employees of institutions and bodies of the penitentiary system, employees of the Russian National Guard forces Federation, including the structure of the insurance rate, the procedure for its use in the calculation of the insurance premium, the list, the collection procedure and x Anenii statistical data used in the calculation of the size of the insurance rate, procedure for the exchange of such data between the insured and the insurer, the procedure for notifying the insurer of the federal executive authority performing functions of public policy and legal regulation in the sphere of insurance activity, on the conclusion of compulsory state insurance agreement


              https://www.minfin.ru
              very stupid site

              better
              https://www.glavbukh.ru/npd/edoc/99_456061776_XA0
              0M8G2N0#XA00M8G2N0
              1. Colonel
                Colonel 6 December 2017 07: 33 New
                +1
                Thank you, perseverance in the offer of materials convinces. I’ll look at leisure.
  7. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 5 December 2017 08: 28 New
    +1
    MO should publish its official data and there would be no insinuations.
    1. BAI
      BAI 5 December 2017 08: 59 New
      0
      They will say that this is false data.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 5 December 2017 09: 01 New
        0
        smile They will say of course, but at least in a dispute this would be an argument.
    2. ando_bor
      ando_bor 5 December 2017 10: 08 New
      0
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      MO should publish its official data and there would be no insinuations.

      The insinuations of the Moscow Region are not annoying, they will be under conditions of an information attack on Russia, they are annoying intelligence, and the statistics of losses carries them
      insinuations only help, enemies burn on this - they accept their stuffing for information,
      - Largely due to this, the Crimea was clicked.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 5 December 2017 13: 44 New
        0
        smile Hiding the truth never brought victory. Lies can only be defeated by the truth! Unfortunately, the modern Moscow Defense Ministry is following in the footsteps of the Soviet Defense Ministry.
  8. sergo1914
    sergo1914 5 December 2017 10: 29 New
    +1
    MO need to carefully select the frames. Loosened up. There was a special subject "Fundamentals of the protection of state secrets of the USSR." All without fail. And then they scored by the announcement of some deer. Some cartoons publish in official press releases, other procurement documents for tenders without looking at open access. And surely everyone signed the non-disclosure subscription. They would have our first pioneers from the 80..90s ... When they gave me a special briefcase and a special tube for the first time, they arranged such a bastard ... well, in the sense of coaching ... or rather INSTRUCTAGE, HIS MOTHER !!!