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"Sawed-Off" rifle instead of a pistol - Fightlite Raider

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The shortened version of the gun, the people “edge”, no one is surprised, they are made now even in the factory of known models weapons. Even our compatriots had the opportunity to legitimately look at the likeness of weapons in such a format with an example, sorry for the French traumatic gun “Howd”.


"Sawed-Off" rifle instead of a pistol - Fightlite Raider


With all the obvious disadvantages of reducing the barrel length of a gun and depriving it of the butt, one plus remains - high fire power at short distances, embedded in one or two shots, and with small dimensions it is much easier to maneuver with such a weapon in cramped conditions than with a full-sized gun. It is also worth taking into account the possibility of using bullet cartridges, which significantly increase the effectiveness of the use of “cut-offs” when firing at the enemy in a bulletproof vest due to the extreme effect. In general, such modernization in some cases fully justifies itself, it proves at least the fact that in many countries in service with law enforcement agencies there are shortened guns. The truth is that it is necessary to note such a moment that these rifles are most often equipped with rubber bullet cartridges or are used as a means of delivering irritating substances to the crowd, but this is somewhat different. история.

In general, the “edge” of a gun known for a very long time, probably since those times as soon as the gun appeared, but the edge of a rifle can be found not often, or rather, it can not be found at all, since the expediency of such shortening is very doubtful. So it was until recently.



In November, Fightlite demonstrated a complete version of its weapon, which is exactly what a rifle cut is. This weapon is positioned as an intermediate between a pistol and a carbine, does not have a butt, but it has a very short barrel with a muzzle brake. This unit is certified in the USA as a pistol, despite the fact that it is powered by 5,56x45 or .300 BLK cartridges, depending on the version of the weapon. Let's try to get to know the design of this device more closely and try very hard to find a niche for it.

Raider pistol design


It is difficult to say exactly what kind of weapon became the basis for the new pistol. At first glance, it looks like the similarity with something AR-like, but the absence of a tube for the buffer spring suggests that the automatic circuit used in the weapon is different from the M16. In fact, this tube is present, it is located at an angle in the handle of the weapon, the interaction with the bolt group is due to the long curved thrust. Automation is built on the removal of powder gases from the barrel with the direct influence of powder gases on the bolt carrier. In general, in principle, nothing new in this weapon in terms of design, we will not see, probably the receiver was developed specifically for this gun.



The weapon has lost the fire mode switch and the fuse instead is now using a button with the ability to move perpendicular to the weapon. A similar implementation of the inclusion of the fuse can often be found in smooth-bore guns.

There are no open sights on this device, but they can be installed on a long landing bar at the top of what is left of the shank and the receiver. There are also additional places for the installation of three more strips for attaching additional devices.



The muzzle of the weapon has a thread on which the muzzle brake-recoil compensator is screwed, instead of it, you can install a silent shooting device or leave the muzzle without any additions.

Characteristics of the gun Raider



The whole construction of the 1,76 kilogram weighs, and you need to take into account the balance of weapons, which in principle is not. It feeds a pistol from detachable stores with 10x5,56 or .45 BLK cartridges in 300, in order not to go into details about the .300 BLK cartridge, it can be compared with our domestic 7,62X39 with a subsonic bullet, although the comparison is not entirely correct, but it gives an overview of ammunition and the capabilities of the weapon using it. The length of the gun barrel is 185 millimeters without considering the muzzle brake, but the total length of the weapon is 510 millimeters.

What was the Raider pistol for?

This is probably the main question that arises in the head of a person who first saw this weapon. Yes, the weapon turned out to be very charismatic, if you point it at a person, then he will surely feel uncomfortable, but there is one “but”. This, however, is that you can shoot from this gun, but you cannot hit it. The only exceptions are shooting at very short distances or using a laser pointer.



The design of the hold handle itself makes it possible to shoot something fantastic, of course, the weapon can be held with both hands like a regular rifle or machine gun, but the lack of a butt will affect the distance even a couple of tens of meters.

Despite the similar ergonomics, that “edge” will not have a similar disadvantage, since short gun barrels provide a sufficiently large fraction of the shot at a short distance, so that a shot “from the hip” or offhand will almost always give results. In the case of the Raider pistol, this will not be observed, since there is only one bullet.



In principle, even with such a short barrel, it is possible to conduct confident and effective fire at distances up to 200 meters, but the design of the weapon does not allow this to be done. The absence of at least a wire shoulder rest makes the weapon ineffective at both short and medium distances. A kind of yes, very brutal.

On foreign Internet resources, the new gun is called ideal for permanent placement in a car for the purpose of self-defense. I would not count on such a means of self-defense, or rather on its combat effectiveness, except that a psychological effect can take place.



Quite a few people called him the perfect means of protection against zombies. Well, if people believe in zombies, then let them believe in the effectiveness of these weapons, although I would, of course, prefer the same “edge”.



As mentioned above, the only thing that can make this weapon effective is the presence of a laser target designator and a strong grip on the shooter. Then it will really be possible to get somewhere from this gun, but this is not a panacea.

In general, we can say that in this case, the creation of a new class of weapons was unsuccessful. However, judging by the fairly extensive topics in foreign forums with the discussion of this weapon and enthusiastic reports of individual people, this weapon will have its own buyer, so that this gun can be a success. Pleases just soberly evaluating this weapon people still more.



In general, this weapon has a really interesting appearance and, although it is poorly suited for real use, we may be able to see it on the screens in a film with a post-apocalyptic theme, where it belongs. The only bad thing is that after the shootings there will only be more people willing to buy it.
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  1. CTABEP
    CTABEP 18 December 2017 15: 46 New
    +7
    No, it’s only visually - it looks interesting, if I had the opportunity - I would buy shoot and take pictures at the banks :). And, strictly utilitarian - nafig not need hrenota author correctly noted that the size and impact of such better to bleed 2 stvolki 16 caliber have. In addition, he thinks for the price, for this device, you can buy a carbine and a carbine besides a sawn edge :).
    1. brn521
      brn521 18 December 2017 18: 30 New
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      Quote: CTABEP
      with such dimensions and recoil, it is better to have a cut of 2 trunks of the 16th caliber

      Then it’s better to trim the three-barrel with a third barrel under the rifled cartridge. Trunks of 30 cm. Pistol grip. Lightweight folding butt to fold under the barrel. Thanks to the butt, you can even take 12 gauge instead of the 16th. And shoot short-lived cartridges with hands, the Americans are not uncommon on sale, and their return is 2 times less. Well, underbarrel and superbarrel mounts for body kit, of course.
    2. Michael_Zverev
      Michael_Zverev 18 December 2017 21: 08 New
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      And why exactly the 16th?
    3. mac789
      mac789 6 January 2018 23: 40 New
      +1
      As far as I remember, Mosin’s sawn-off shotgun was very popular in the civil war. The cartridge there was much more powerful. And here is also a semiautomatic device.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 13 January 2018 22: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: mac789
        As far as I remember, Mosin’s sawn-off shotgun was very popular in the civil war.

        Hurray, there are still adequate people who understand why weapons are actually being made, for self-defense. By the way, after a couple of dozen shots, even with a shotgun of three, you can shoot with one hand up to one hundred meters without problems. Verified back in the eighties from experience repeat . And here the cartridge is much weaker, but with the collimator in general, beauty. So there will be no problems at all, well, except for the tech who believes that you only need to shoot with two hands from a pistol. Because it looks like Mark speaks of him that way ...
        By the way, Mark finally wrote the article normally, and not purely a program, I liked it, but he looked at the topic narrowly, only from the point of view of his preferences. But in the United States there is such a thing as a hunting pistol, and there are also pistols for hunters, fishermen and tourists for self-defense in case of an unexpected meeting with predators. And for this purpose, this "edge" fits perfectly. By the way, such pistols weigh up to 2,5 kg and can be made for rifle cartridges. Do you search for photos in the internet or do it yourself?
        1. mac789
          mac789 17 January 2018 23: 55 New
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          Such a contraption is ideal to use with a bike or ATV. And slaughter and maneuverability and ease of retention. In fact - the light cavalry is back.
        2. AlexMark
          20 January 2018 05: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: 4-th Paradise
          Hurray, there are still adequate people who understand why weapons are actually being made for self-defense. By the way, after a couple of dozen shots, even from a three-piece cut-off, you can easily shoot from one hand up to one hundred meters. Tested back in the eighties on the actual feel. And here the cartridge is much weaker, but with a collimator in general, beauty. So there will be no problems at all, well, except for tech who thinks that you only need to shoot from a pistol with two hands. Because it seems like Mark speaks about him so much ...
          By the way, Mark finally wrote the article normally, and not purely a program, I liked it, but he looked at the topic narrowly, only from the point of view of his preferences. But in the United States there is such a thing as a hunting pistol, and there are also pistols for hunters, fishermen and tourists for self-defense in case of an unexpected meeting with predators. And for this purpose, this "edge" fits perfectly. By the way, such pistols weigh up to 2,5 kg and can be made for rifle cartridges. Do you search for photos in the internet or do it yourself?


          I repeat once again here. Trying to blame for plagiarism - give confirmation to your words. And then you have both machine translation and just a translation and are almost copied, just from where for some reason you find it difficult to answer.
          Yes, and even if you answer in a month, as you like, and you can in a year, I will still read your answer and answer it. Conveniently, it turns out that you wrote a comment in which you lower the author below the plinth and seem to have remained the cleverest in the topic, although the topic is not discussed for another month.
          Well, about self-defense with this ... device. As for me, a gun under the .45ACP with an expansive bullet is much more efficient, more convenient and more compact in self-defense. You seem to me a little confusing time at the beginning of the twentieth century there was not such a huge number of pistols for any color and taste, and therefore cut rifles and guns, as the most affordable weapon, trying to reduce its size. I may not have enough knowledge, as you say, but I have not lost my common sense. Well, what they produce ... They produce pistols and under .50BMG, for whom is it yours? Hunters? Rybakov? Tourists?
          Tell me something else about the technique of my shooting, and then I read and wonder, I learn new things about myself.
          1. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok April 4 2018 02: 18 New
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            Quote: AlexMark
            Yes, and even if you answer in a month, as you like, and you can in a year, I will still read your answer and answer it. Conveniently, it turns out that you wrote a comment in which you lower the author below the plinth and seem to have remained the cleverest in the topic, although the topic is not discussed for another month.

            cheers, now I'm sure that my letter will always find the addressee good And then I don’t have the opportunity, like some, to walk around the forum every day, even once a month it’s not always possible to peek ....
            Quote: AlexMark
            Well, about self-defense with this ... device. As for me, a .45ASP pistol with an expansive bullet is much more efficient, more convenient and more compact in self-defense.

            it is not convenient for permanent hidden wear, but in the forest or on a motorcycle in a special holster, is debatable. Yes, and from a three-piece cut-off with a reduced weight of powder in 2, from one hand to get into 100 meters without problems on the A4 sheet, the chest target didn’t hit 200 only, again with a stop ...
            And at what distance do you get into the A4 vskidka from 11,43 × 23?
            Quote: AlexMark
            They produce pistols under .50BMG, for whom do you think it is? The hunters? Fishermen? Tourists?
            For perverts. And here .454 Casull, .45 / 70, .445 super mag, .35 Remington, 7-30 Waters and many others are actually used. Here is a partial list of cartridges for a hunting pistol Remington XP-100

            Cartridge: .221 Fireball, .22-250 Remington, .223 Remington, .250 Savage, 6mm BR Remington, 7mm BR Remington, 7mm-08 Remington, .308 Winchester, .35 Remington

            and the Thompson / Center Contender has even more cartridges.
            1. AlexMark
              April 14 2018 23: 19 New
              +2
              Hurray, now I am sure that my letter will always find the addressee good

              You can write in a personal note that you left a comment, then you can reach the addressee exactly.
              it is not convenient for permanent hidden wear, but in the forest or on a motorcycle in a special holster, is debatable. Yes, and from a three-piece cut-off with a reduced weight of powder in 2, from one hand to get into 100 meters without problems on the A4 sheet, the chest target didn’t hit 200 only, again with a stop ...

              Self defense on the 100 meters, seriously?
              1. 4thParasinok
                4thParasinok April 22 2018 14: 07 New
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                Quote: AlexMark
                Self defense on the 100 meters, seriously?

                and brains something to think about what is at stake it is not necessary to include? Well, yes, to whom it is not given, to it it is not given. In order for you to think a little, I will give a real story from the mid-80s. Then several mushroom pickers, namely mushroom pickers, and not otherwise ran into a wild boar with the family. Duck TT (the pistol was legal, though without the right to wear it, but this is trifles) that boar was only angry (several bullets stuck in the skull and fat of the carcass), but a shot from the sawn-off shotgun in the forehead stopped him ... And now tell me the idiot that are you going to do with your .45 in this situation? It is for such situations that the cutoff from the article is intended. It is for them that a whole bunch of "hunting" pistols and revolvers are created with which American and Canadian fishermen and tourists go, precisely for self-defense, and not for hunting.
                To brag about achievements in a shooting gallery and reality to know and understand what is self-defense are two different things.

                Quote: AlexMark
                You can write in a personal note that you left a comment, then you can reach the addressee exactly.

                What's the point? Indeed, in the upper right corner of the page there is a wonderful bell informing you that they were answered, why unnecessary gestures?
                1. Michael_Zverev
                  Michael_Zverev April 22 2018 14: 41 New
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                  Mushroom pickers in the mid-80s with TT and trimmings? And is TT legal? The story looks quite implausible, to be honest.
                2. AlexMark
                  April 23 2018 09: 08 New
                  +3
                  Yeah, just where is the 100 meters? And then the grenades didn’t turn out at the mushroom pickers, the herd was met))) In this story, first of all, the excessive armoriness of the boar’s skull, in which TT’s bullets stuck, did not fit with the reality, but had to either ricoche or, rather, punch . As you put it, hunting pistols and revolvers are mostly intended just for hunting, there is such entertainment in the West.
                  Well, about the .45 ACP, I will answer with the picture:
                  1. 4thParasinok
                    4thParasinok April 23 2018 15: 25 New
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                    1. Think again, given that the shooter from the TT managed to jump onto a tree and divert the boar to himself, but the tavarisch shot with a shotgun from 70 meters. "Escape" allowed to get a sawn-off shotgun from a backpack.
                    2. I don’t remember whether there was a rebound, but the bullets stuck in the skull were, it is a fact.
                    3. The wolf stops at point blank range, but the boar, well, maybe if only you get on the joints ...
                    It’s immediately obvious that you don’t know what a billhook weighs more than 100 kg.
                    1. AlexMark
                      April 23 2018 16: 52 New
                      +2
                      Well, why, I know, I even saw a living animal, I also know that if it runs snout in your direction, then it’s going nowhere except to get into the face - it is smiling widely, it covers the rest of the body with a smile. And what was the edge was charged, do not tell?
    4. mac789
      mac789 6 January 2018 23: 43 New
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      In addition, the buckshot of the twelfth caliber on body armor will not work very efficiently.
  2. alex-cn
    alex-cn 18 December 2017 15: 53 New
    +3
    It is strange, where do the Makhnovist traditions come from among the Americans? or someone escaped there and now the genes come out, they are believed to manifest themselves through a generation.
    1. brn521
      brn521 18 December 2017 16: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: alex-cn
      It is strange, where do the Makhnovist traditions come from among the Americans?

      "Mad Max". As far as I know, the popularity of sawn-off haudahs is due to the arming of the main character of this film. The Americans (and not only) went to stores for sawn-off shotguns, but broke off. Demand gave birth to supply.
      1. alex-cn
        alex-cn 18 December 2017 17: 06 New
        +1
        It seems that the Bodyguard was much earlier, though there was a shotgun sawn-off shotgun there.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 17: 16 New
        +5
        Come on, I’ve remembered the Army of Darkness. laughing
        Quote: brn521
        where did the Makhnovist Americans

        Why Makhnovsky? From the fronts of the First World peasants draped with a sawn-off shotgun. Everything will work out on the farm.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 18 December 2017 18: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: alex-cn
      It is strange, where do the Makhnovist traditions come from among the Americans?

      I think so, Sicilian shepherds made their "lupars" long before the birth of Nestor Makhno.
  3. Monarchist
    Monarchist 18 December 2017 16: 09 New
    +4
    People really are really crazy about it. Of course, a similar “toy” looks very impressive, but between the appearance and the real use: ““ two big differences ”.
    Suppose I’m “ideal for permanent placement in a car,” I am a resident of the United States or some other country where the acquisition and carrying of weapons is allowed. I often need to drive a car through deaf lanes or criminogenic neighborhoods. I would buy a Colt M1911 and wear comfortably and conveniently. And if you want something more solid, a police carbine. It looks impressive and easy to use.
    As a child, I once saw a real sawn-off shotgun, or rather, something that remained of it: a rusty core bit and a bolt box (it seems without a bolt) of a rifle. An old neighbor told me that after the Civil War, there were many rifles left, but the rifle is large and difficult to hide, and the edge is more comfortable
    1. the47th
      the47th 18 December 2017 16: 24 New
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      And if the bandits are all in bulletproof vests of the 3rd protection class? Here you can’t do without .223! In general, this sawn-off shotgun is similar to the 21st century “mare leg” version.
    2. dokusib
      dokusib 19 December 2017 07: 17 New
      +2
      But not the alleged residents of the mattress are likely to have Colt (and not one) and a shotgun and carbines a couple in different calibers. And this ugly duckling will be bought. And I would buy if it were not for our bad weapons laws.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 18 December 2017 16: 28 New
    +6
    This is a sawn-off shotgun, I understand.

    Or this:
    1. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok April 4 2018 02: 28 New
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      Quote: inkass_98
      Or this:

      for me, TOZ-106 or the "Death of the Chairman" of the 20th caliber is better. it is in the factory version (the butt is folded)

      and this is after replacing the bed You can even buy it from us under a license for self-defense, but they just stopped production, but it's a pity.
  5. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 18 December 2017 16: 32 New
    +3
    when firing at an enemy in body armor due to exorbitant effects

    Maybe all the same "backward" exposure ..
  6. brn521
    brn521 18 December 2017 17: 11 New
    +2
    Appearance requires tape power. Attach a small container with a stub of cartridge tape for 20.
  7. Curious
    Curious 18 December 2017 17: 20 New
    +5
    The only purpose of this "wunderwaffe" is to facilitate wallets, because the price for it is $ 865.
    As one American observer wrote, the more I look at him, the more I want to have, although I have no idea why.
    Regarding the question "And if the bandits are all in bulletproof vests of the 3rd protection class?"So there is a reliable revolver for such cases.

    Revolver Pfeifer-Zeliska. Weight about 5 kg, length 470 mm, cartridge .600 Nitro Express, muzzle energy 5116 joules (Makarov pistol about 300 J).
    This, as the author of the article wrote, is “beyond the limits”.
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 18 December 2017 19: 35 New
      +2
      In fairness: Adolf Tseliski has long specialized in high-power hunting revolvers. hi
      1. dokusib
        dokusib 19 December 2017 11: 43 New
        +1
        Strelёsh with this with one hand and in the hospital with a fracture laughing
        1. alatanas
          alatanas 18 January 2018 00: 26 New
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          + or with a dislocation of the brush.
  8. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 18 December 2017 17: 23 New
    +3
    What was the Raider pistol for?
    This is probably the main question that arises in the head of a person who first saw this weapon.

    How for what? Well, how is collectivization again?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 17: 32 New
      +6
      They told me how they did a sawn-off shotgun before. A file was sharpened on the border on the trunk, then the trunk was lowered into the water along this border and shot. The barrel came off to a vigorous hair dryer. I don’t know, is it true or not?
      1. CTABEP
        CTABEP 18 December 2017 19: 18 New
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        Unlikely. It’s an order of magnitude easier, better and safer to saw off with an ordinary hacksaw for metal, then roughen the edges with a round file. And so you can stay without eyes or weapons.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 18 December 2017 19: 21 New
          +5
          Yes, the thing is that I heard about it from one grandfather, and later I read in literature. hi And that grandfather told me about it in 80.
        2. Michael_Zverev
          Michael_Zverev 18 December 2017 21: 18 New
          +1
          Yeah, or a grinder. laughing When hacksaws for metal, a vise, etc. became available, of course, they did so, and in the late 10s and early 20s what metal tools were available to some peasant? Only those that the village blacksmith had, unless, i.e. a rough file in the best case, that’s what I had to do.
      2. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok 14 January 2018 02: 39 New
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        Quote: Mordvin 3
        They told me how they used to do a sawn-off shotgun

        I heard about the file for the first time from you, 40 years ago it wasn’t in the bike, and you forgot to say that they shot at idle, your trunk will burst above the water line. But experiments have shown that these are all tales even with an empty cartridge. Either the trunk will break, or nothing will happen.
  9. groks
    groks 18 December 2017 18: 18 New
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    And they can’t upgrade to the norm there? Trunk build up, adapt the butt. After it turned out that there is a very simple device for turning self-loading into a machine ....
    Well, for example, a plastic butt of two vertical halves, clamping the handle of this strange device. Maybe this is a circumvention of what laws - a gun is possible, but a rifle is not? They have different laws in different states.
    The optics on this thing look original, but I would not look at it - the return should be substantial. For this reason, it would be nice to adapt a healthy compensator or a silencer. At least half the size of the gun. It will become even more brutal and it will be possible to get at least somewhere.
    or not?

    Or not. Why do this if you can finish it to the end? Anyway, then sheathed the butt.
  10. dokusib
    dokusib 19 December 2017 06: 37 New
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    Well, this is not the first AR-certified as a pistol. Another thing is that automation has undergone a really serious rework. Hence the price since small-scale production. And about the demand, someone is buying civilian versions of mp5k and they will take it. It looks like it is bombed. And if you also snarl cartridges from Kalash, then you can greatly save on them. On the Internet, I looked at Demolition Ranch as from MP5k, from 20 meters, single-handedly hung on a half-height target from the hip. Misses practically nebylo and without any ltsu. Matt was crazy.
  11. dokusib
    dokusib 19 December 2017 07: 10 New
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    https://youtu.be/bzhjyvMun5U ссылка на видео. Примерно в середине ролика показывают вариант рукоятки с прикладом.
  12. lexx2038
    lexx2038 19 December 2017 10: 50 New
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    In my opinion, about the bleed, here for example: https://www.litmir.me/br/?b=315323&p=1 interesting, entertaining and informative everything is described. All previous commentators will find answers to their lines and comments.
    Well, or in the search, drive in: Pavel Kucher, Good word about the old sawn-off shotgun.
    1. dokusib
      dokusib 19 December 2017 11: 41 New
      +1
      There are few cuts and basically every trololo. But I agree with the main idea: the main thing in the weapon is the weight and speed of the bullet. And no one will shoot him at a hundred meters with one hand. But the trimmer can also be supported on a log if you take it slowly and take it with both hands. It's harder with a gun. It is not for nothing that the Israelis make a body kit for Glock, which turns it into a light carbine.
  13. san4es
    san4es 19 December 2017 15: 36 New
    +3
    Death of the Chair in Action bully

    ... The muzzle brake works - almost no recoil ....
    In contrast to this belay
  14. missuris
    missuris 19 December 2017 17: 12 New
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    FEEEEEEEEEE (((I thought that there will be a sawn-off shotgun of a normal rifle under .308, and here the sawn-off shotgun is cut-off intermediate, what kind of armor will it break through? All normal boys have long been protected from 5.56 and 5.45
    1. dokusib
      dokusib 19 December 2017 17: 44 New
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      There is a version of 7,62 * 39. Climbed on an Internet. This is a sawn-off shot of this thing and this is a lower of their own production for any AR-ki in a similar caliber. Designed after the adoption of the law on assault weapons. The law was later repealed, but now again adopted at the state level.
    2. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 14 January 2018 03: 01 New
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      Quote: missuris
      she thought there would be a sawn-off shotgun of a normal .308 rifle

      and what does not suit you .300 BLK? the caliber is one, the bullet is heavier, and the flyability is like 7,62x39? Without a butt, on the contrary, it will be better — the accuracy will be higher since the return is much less, tested in practice 40 years ago on a three-sided edge (with a full and half charge of gunpowder.) Oh youth ... repeat
  15. Couchexpert
    Couchexpert 20 December 2017 16: 09 New
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    The Americans have at least one example of much more practical constructions in the “make me compact” theme - Serbu Super Shorty:

    http://www.gundata.ru/drobovik_serbu_super_shorty
    . Htm
    1. dokusib
      dokusib 20 December 2017 16: 16 New
      +2
      And what is practical about it? A three-shot pump is no better than a double-barreled shotgun. In my opinion even worse when it comes to recharging
      1. Couchexpert
        Couchexpert 20 December 2017 16: 57 New
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        1. We do not compare with a double-barreled shotgun, but with what the article is about. Advantages: instead of 10 shots of castrated and M-16 curve, there are 3 shots, though cut off, but of a 12 gauge. Such a thing is used, for example, commandos for knocking out locks from doors with special cartridges (you can do this with a full-size rifle, but this barrel is enough at point blank range), it is also positioned as a self-defense weapon. For firing at targets, it is preferable because of the expansion of the shot and a more comfortable retention, and at short ranges the ammunition provides a high stopping effect.
        2. If you compare with the double-barreled shotgun, then here again a more comfortable retention. Theoretically, it is possible to modify the barrel, as with full-sized pump-threads, by carving for the installation of interchangeable chokes to create the optimal expansion of the shot. Of the minuses - a bit heavier and a restriction on the change in the size of the sleeve (may interfere with the work of reloading).
        1. dokusib
          dokusib 21 December 2017 06: 58 New
          +2
          Why did you immediately appoint a CouchExpert to your pet? Don't you know that the objectivity of perception is violated from this? Why is this M16 castrated and 12 gauge just cut off? laughing Essentially: 10 more than three do not twist. But you can still take a spare shop with you. Serbu after running out of ammunition will become a single charge is not very convenient when loading. Although, if you are special, of course immediately close the chamber and shutter. Further. I don’t see anything convenient in holding the cropped pump. All its ergonomics are designed for shooting with an emphasis on the door. Try to shoot aiming at least 5-7 meters (at such a distance, the fraction will practically not fly apart and will lie in a neat pile). For a while. And then the shotgun shotgun. And then just who will shoot faster than 4 rounds. I'm more than sure Serbu will lose. And then try castrated emka. And then sit down and think whether I want to shoot 12 meters from the edge of the 20 gauge? And at 50? According to this, my opinion is this: the shotgun shotgun is short (let's not forget about the doublet!), The shotgun self-loading rifle closer to medium range. And the bleeding edge of the pump loses both.
          1. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 14 January 2018 02: 51 New
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            Quote: dokusib
            Why is this M16 castrated and 12 gauge just cut off? Essentially

            nothing to add ...
  16. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 21 December 2017 08: 38 New
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    On the contrary, people put a butt on the mentioned Howd from the donor, but here ....
  17. Dormidont
    Dormidont 27 December 2017 17: 17 New
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    Shotgun with optics is gorgeous. In order not to miss from two meters
    1. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 14 January 2018 02: 51 New
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      Quote: Dormidont
      Shotgun with optics is gorgeous. In order not to miss from two meters

      1. This is not optics but a collimator.
      2. From this hunting pistol, it’s easy to shoot a hundred meters, with a collimator aiming faster.
  18. Stilet
    Stilet 2 January 2018 20: 49 New
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    Probably good for duels. Shoot with 10 steps through a handkerchief. Reminds a pistol of the French reytar.