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A Chinese aircraft carrier of its own construction is ready for sea trials.

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The carrier of the Navy of the People’s Liberation Army of China (PLA) for the first time will go out to sea and will begin sea trials in December of this year. According to the Sina information portal on Monday, the main work on the ship has already been completed.


According to the portal, a radar station with an active phased-array antenna (AFAR) 346A was recently installed on the ship, with which the destroyers of the 052D project are equipped. December 3 over the aircraft carrier were seen clouds of smoke, which may indicate the launch of the power plant. As Sina points out, the ship will take to the sea on December 10 or until the end of this month.

A Chinese aircraft carrier of its own construction is ready for sea trials.


The aircraft carrier is the first ship of this class, fully built in China. He has not yet received the name, but is known in the Chinese media as "Shandong" or the 001A project. The ship was launched on April 26 of the current year and initially should be transferred to the military, according to some estimates, no earlier than in the 2020 year. However, according to the Hong Kong media, Beijing intends to accelerate this process and put the PLA Navy aircraft carrier in place by the end of 2018.

Since 2012, China has the only operating aircraft carrier "Liaoning", which was made on the basis of the former Soviet heavy aircraft carrier "Varyag", bought from Ukraine in 1998 year. The ship of the 001A project was built on the principle of "Liaoning", but has several large dimensions and a number of modifications.

In February, Hong Kong media reported that China is simultaneously building its third aircraft carrier, the 002 project, which is a completely new development. According to expert estimates, steam catapults will be installed on it, while on Liaoning and the 001A project only take-offs of the aircraft are planned to take off from the springboard. The ship will be equipped with a conventional power plant, and its displacement will be about 85 thousand tons, reports TASS
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  1. Crowe
    Crowe 4 December 2017 17: 43
    13
    So I want some problems there! Because of envy, or what?
    Ah yes Chinese, ah yes Chinese women!
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 4 December 2017 17: 46
      +3
      Quote: Crowe
      So I want some problems there! Because of envy, or what?


      You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.
      1. Zibelew
        Zibelew 4 December 2017 17: 48
        30
        Quote: Kleber
        China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog

        Soon, ships of the 1st rank will not remain on the Pacific Ocean. Everything is already placed on one pier.
        1. Kleber
          Kleber 4 December 2017 17: 50
          +3
          And the Chinese aircraft carriers then from which side?
          1. bulvas
            bulvas 4 December 2017 23: 09
            +4
            The Chinese need to protect maritime trade routes and disputed islands

            We need to develop the Arctic, so we are building icebreakers
        2. Herculesic
          Herculesic 4 December 2017 17: 52
          +7
          Tageryan hi -We don’t get used to it, we’ll almost throw any adversary with hats! I’m sure, if you ask the Chinese why they need aircraft carriers, they will look at the questioner badly and turn a finger at the temple!
          1. Zibelew
            Zibelew 4 December 2017 18: 04
            21
            Quote: Herkulesich
            we don’t get used to it, we almost throw any adversary with caps

            Especially with the icon of St. Nicholas of Tsusimsky, the keeper of our fleet.
            1. Kleber
              Kleber 4 December 2017 18: 18
              +4
              Yeah, “we’ll put our hats on, we will throw their icons” ... something very familiar. )))
              1. albert
                albert 4 December 2017 21: 54
                +2
                Quote: Kleber
                Yeah, “we’ll put our hats on, we will throw their icons” ... something very familiar. )

                "Tales" by Pisakhov. "The Japanese in us are shells and bombs, shells and bombs, and we are in them with icons, icons!". laughing
                1. Kleber
                  Kleber 4 December 2017 22: 11
                  0
                  Pisakhov did not read .....
            2. Seaflame
              Seaflame 4 December 2017 18: 33
              +6
              There are no problems in the icons ... Let them go, the ships do not break from this. The economy must be raised and its own production.
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              2. Viktor.12.71
                Viktor.12.71 4 December 2017 19: 02
                0
                Quote: Seaflame
                The economy must be raised and its own production.

                To do this, you need to do something like the Meiji Restorations. I see no other way.
              3. serriy
                serriy 4 December 2017 19: 05
                +8
                "Our" government with the slogan "cheaper to buy than to produce," the economy will not raise. Here are the cryptocurrency mining farms on the former AZLK that will be piled up and boasted of the digital economy. And our traditional goods will remain - oil and gas. Another weapon, under their own loans and friendly visits, is “sell”. Purchase the rest.
                Since the outcome of the 2018 elections has been decided, and the tandem will continue, then everything will be so for years.
        3. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 4 December 2017 23: 52
          +4
          Quote: Zibelew
          Soon, ships of the 1st rank will not remain on the Pacific Ocean. Everything is already placed on one pier.

          Well you are a comedian!
          No, really.
          At such a pace as the Kremlin is surrendering to the Far East, there will soon be no access to the Pacific Ocean.
          1. zoolu350
            zoolu350 5 December 2017 04: 59
            +4
            And why not the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to hand over the Far East of China? There is no possibility of counteraction of the Russian Federation to the PRC in all areas, none of the key individuals of the Russian oligarchy in the Far East live. And in general, the Far East is too far from the Moscow Ring Road to appreciate something there, because as one Maaaskvich told me here: "All smart and talented go to Moscow, and only losers remain on the periphery."
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 5 December 2017 18: 33
              +1
              Quote: zoolu350
              And why not the oligarchy of the Russian Federation to hand over the Far East of China? There is no possibility of counteraction of the Russian Federation to the PRC in all areas, none of the key individuals of the Russian oligarchy in the Far East live. And in general, the Far East is too far from the Moscow Ring Road to appreciate something there, because as one Maaaskvich told me here: "All smart and talented go to Moscow, and only losers remain on the periphery."

              neither diminish nor diminish hi
              to hand over this oligorh in bulk in China
              he would be quickly sorted out there;)
      2. Crowe
        Crowe 4 December 2017 17: 48
        +2
        Chekhard, as you put it, will begin on the territory of the Eurasian continent! No North American ...
        They, the Chinese, need aircraft carriers for other feuds!
        1. Kleber
          Kleber 4 December 2017 17: 52
          0
          Eurasian continent. Could you specify?
          1. Pirogov
            Pirogov 4 December 2017 17: 59
            0
            Quote: Kleber
            Eurasian continent. Could you specify?

            In Ukraine, in the Baltic states in Kaliningrad. What just so mattresses of the tentacles extended.!?
            1. Kleber
              Kleber 4 December 2017 18: 11
              0
              Quote: Pirogov
              Quote: Kleber
              Eurasian continent. Could you specify?

              In Ukraine, in the Baltic states in Kaliningrad. What just so mattresses of the tentacles extended.!?


              Chinese aircraft carriers against Ukraine, the Baltic states and Kaliningrad? ALLO What are you smoking there ????
              1. Pirogov
                Pirogov 4 December 2017 18: 39
                0
                Quote: Kleber
                Chinese aircraft carriers against Ukraine, the Baltic states and Kaliningrad? ALLO What are you smoking there ????

                I don’t know what you smoke, but I smoke red Winston. And if you noticed I spoke for the mattresses on Crow's comment addressed to you about leapfrog on the Eurasian continent? You asked a question., In more detail, I wrote to you about the alleged hot spots. And you wanted to seem smart and dragged the Chinese here, Crow specifically wrote to you that They, the Chinese, need aircraft carriers for other feuds!
                1. Kleber
                  Kleber 4 December 2017 18: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Pirogov
                  And you wanted to seem smart and dragged Chinese here


                  And you decided to vow under not smart and therefore not only did not read the article, but also did not bother to read the headline.
                  1. Pirogov
                    Pirogov 4 December 2017 19: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Kleber
                    And you decided to vow under not smart and therefore not only did not read the article, but also did not bother to read the headline.

                    Do you understand that with logic and memory, big problems? If you write about some leapfrog, and a person writes to you that the leapfrog will be in another place in Eurasia, and China needs aircraft carriers for other feuds, and you make yourself smart? Yes, you do not need to smoke with you, and so everything is not ,,, good ,,,. And I read the article and wrote a comment about the Pacific Fleet svp67 in response to his comment, and this was before I wrote to you. If I knew how slow you were, I would write right away to you that Eurasia is both Europe and Asia and Ukraine, the Baltic states and Kaliningrad are just there, I think now you understand? Sit down for you 2.
                    1. Kleber
                      Kleber 4 December 2017 19: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Pirogov

                      Do you understand, with logic and memory, big problems?


                      Restore the chain of correspondence:

                      Quote: Kleber
                      You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.


                      Quote: Crowe
                      Chekhard, as you put it, will begin on the territory of the Eurasian continent! No North American ...
                      They, the Chinese, need aircraft carriers for other feuds!


                      Quote: Kleber
                      Eurasian continent. Could you specify?


                      Quote: Pirogov
                      Quote: Kleber
                      Eurasian continent. Could you specify?

                      In Ukraine, in the Baltic states in Kaliningrad. What just so mattresses of the tentacles extended.!?


                      Quote: Kleber
                      Chinese aircraft carriers against Ukraine, the Baltic states and Kaliningrad? ALLO What are you smoking there ????


                      Quote: Pirogov
                      Quote: Kleber
                      Chinese aircraft carriers against Ukraine, the Baltic states and Kaliningrad? ALLO What are you smoking there ????

                      I don’t know what you smoke, but I smoke red Winston.


                      What say, dear?
                      1. Pirogov
                        Pirogov 4 December 2017 22: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Kleber
                        What say, dear?

                        Colleague, let's finish the argument for today, I think you did not understand me, I did not understand you, no offense.
                      2. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 4 December 2017 23: 27
                        +4
                        Quote: Kleber
                        What say, dear?

                        Let me say: you either do not catch up with something, or in Russian you do not understand. From these posts, the statement is clear that leapfrog will start in Eurasia, and the Chinese need aircraft carriers to another batch, it follows that leapfrog in Eurasia is the Baltic, Ukraine etc....
                        And here is yours: Chinese aircraft carriers against the Baltic states ???
                        Are you adequate?
      3. svp67
        svp67 4 December 2017 17: 51
        12
        Quote: Kleber
        You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

        China is one of those friends who are for the trunk, but to the museum ... And while we do not have our own aircraft carriers at the Pacific Fleet, this news is not very happy ...
        1. Going
          Going 4 December 2017 17: 56
          +8
          Exactly, China is a temporary partner.
        2. Pirogov
          Pirogov 4 December 2017 17: 57
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          China is one of those friends who are for the trunk, but to the museum ... And while we do not have aircraft carriers at the Pacific Fleet, this news is not very happy ..

          At least five new destroyers at the Pacific Fleet, and you have already swung at the aircraft carriers.
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 4 December 2017 17: 57
          +8
          Quote: svp67
          And while we do not have our own aircraft carriers at the Pacific Fleet, this news is not very happy ...

          We do not need to build aircraft carriers now, but destroyers Leader and light destroyers, even in the version of the project 22350M. Why are we now an aircraft carrier? We had shock formations with ships of the first rank two times, and miscalculated. And then these ships are already under the age of 40 years. I'm talking about ships of the first rank.
          1. svp67
            svp67 4 December 2017 18: 11
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            We do not need to build aircraft carriers now, but destroyers Leader

            Only not "Leaders", with YaSU. We "Orlan" now restore one unit. We need at least EM with conventional control systems.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 19
              +7
              Quote: svp67
              Only not "Leaders", with YaSU

              YaSU for Leaders already exists and it stands on the icebreaker Arctic is RITM-200. What is the problem? Or is it easier to upgrade Nakhimov’s about 8 years old, then to gutter at all angles that we have the most powerful in the world non-aircraft carrier ship in the world, but what will be! only two, we will be modestly silent.
              A leader with YaSU is needed. Our fleet of cruisers is no longer young, and somehow they need to be replaced.
              And for destroyers with gas turbines ... Buzzards are written off, but what do we have to replace? One Gorshkov who can’t be touched?
              We are building karakurts with a displacement of 800 tons for 2 years.
              1. svp67
                svp67 4 December 2017 18: 22
                +2
                Quote: NEXUS
                There is already a YaSU for Leaders and it stands on the Arctic icebreaker. What is the problem?

                In price. They need at least eight pieces (not my calculations, but people who know what the "Leaders" are for), and that means they will gobble up the entire fleet budget for construction. And even if we build them, they need an escort, then we will create it from which ships.
                "Leaders" are needed, but after we have at least a couple of UDC.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 30
                  +5
                  Quote: svp67
                  In the price.

                  In the price say ... well, yes ... but tell me, how much does the modernization of the same Nakhimov cost the country? In general, it’s very funny for me to read conversations that we have no money. Guys, do you hear yourself? IN THE MOST RICH AND HUGE COUNTRY IN THE WORLD NO MONEY!
                  Quote: svp67
                  and then they will gobble up the entire fleet budget for construction

                  Well, the Eagles and the Atlanteans eat much less with Kuzei ... in principle, you can upgrade anything you like until you turn blue. It’s a good thing to master a couple of three Lard past the treasury.
                  Quote: svp67
                  And even if we build them, they need an escort, then we will create it from which ships.

                  I have already said there is a frigate 22350M project. What is not an easy destroyer for you?
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 4 December 2017 18: 35
                    +6
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    In the price say ... well, yes ... but tell me, how much does the modernization of the same Nakhimov cost the country?

                    “Leaders” that the “Tirpitz” or “Yamato” is a super ship with great capabilities. It remains only to recall how the fate of the previous "super" ended. Alone, they are doomed; they need full-fledged operational squadrons. Moreover, Russia has NO experience in building such large warships. We will mean building not just long, but very long.
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 37
                      +4
                      Quote: svp67
                      “Leaders” that the “Tirpitz” or “Yamato” is a super ship with great capabilities

                      And then what is Nakhimov with Petya?
                      Moreover, Russia has NO experience in building such large warships.

                      And China, damn it, had experience building an aircraft carrier ...
                      1. Viktor.12.71
                        Viktor.12.71 4 December 2017 19: 06
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And China, damn it, had experience building an aircraft carrier ...

                        My opinion is that I’m mainly betting on the submarine fleet.
                    2. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 4 December 2017 19: 14
                      +4
                      Quote: Viktor.12.71
                      My opinion is that I’m mainly betting on the submarine fleet.

                      And to cover underwater connections with what? To rely on the submarine fleet, it is necessary to ensure its protection and cover by surface ships. And here we are talking about the balance of the fleet.
                      A simple example ... our missile submarines with ICBMs, ... 667BDRM
                      "Dolphin" -6 pieces and Boreev -3 pieces, total 9 carriers. Each carrier needs an underwater cover for multipurpose nuclear submarines, at least two sides for one missile carrier. And we have half SHCHUK-B waiting for repair or modernization, and one and a half Ash-trees in stock. And on the face there is a clear skew of the number of missile carriers to multipurpose. The question is, what kind of balance are we talking about?
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 4 December 2017 21: 24
                        +2
                        This is completely depressing. Multipurpose boats are needed as air. It will not be possible to fight especially long, the NATO fleets surpass us in the first rank by orders of magnitude, and in land (if only China does not harness for territorial concessions) this is the same situevina. So only retribution! Therefore, the cover of the RKPSN is necessary as air
                        In FIG RF aircraft carrier? Walking on the seas Elda .... I apologize, the flag to demonstrate. It is not rational, expensive.
                2. K-50
                  K-50 4 December 2017 19: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: svp67
                  In price. They need at least eight pieces (not my calculations, but people who know what the Leaders are for), and that means they will gobble up the entire fleet budget

                  Withdraw money from mattresses bonds, at least 20% and all Wishlist with interest. The only bad thing is that the shipbuilding capacities for these Wishlist are not enough. sad
        4. Kleber
          Kleber 4 December 2017 17: 58
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Kleber
          You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

          China is one of those friends who are for the trunk, but to the museum ... And while we do not have our own aircraft carriers at the Pacific Fleet, this news is not very happy ...


          Yes, Russia is better not to have any friends at all, it’s so calmer. Only I can not catch your thought .... China that will launch aircraft from aircraft carriers to the Primorsky Territory?
          1. svp67
            svp67 4 December 2017 18: 14
            +1
            Quote: Kleber
            China, what aviation will be launched from aircraft carriers to the Primorsky Territory?

            Maybe there, but with us the Far East is not limited to one Primorye, Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands, Kamchatka ... There are many places where aircraft carriers can operate. With one caveat, not this type. These are "imprisoned" to cover their naval groups and primary support for the landing. And most importantly, why they were prepared for us, is the cover of the SSBN deployment areas.
        5. NEXUS
          NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 01
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          this news is not very happy ...

          China is not up to Russia. He has enough hemorrhoids with India and the USA and Japan. And in the last two, the fleet, unlike ours, is updated regularly. And the Japanese fleet at the Pacific Fleet is generally considered the youngest and it is all replenished with new ships.
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 4 December 2017 18: 04
            +1
            Against India and Japan, planes from regular airfields will fly ....
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 09
              +2
              Quote: Kleber
              Against India and Japan, planes from regular airfields will fly ....

              And Japan and India are not Ganduras or Guinea ... that’s the catch.
          2. svp67
            svp67 4 December 2017 18: 15
            +5
            Quote: NEXUS
            China is not up to Russia.

            So far, not up to us. History shows that in rapidly developing states, sooner or later there will be friction with all neighbors.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 23
              +3
              Quote: svp67
              So far, not up to us. History shows that in rapidly developing states, sooner or later there will be friction with all neighbors.

              That's why I say that while they are not up to us, we need a series of destroyers Leader with Zircons. And frigates in a good series of projects 22350 and 22350M. Especially the latter.
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            2. Kleber
              Kleber 4 December 2017 18: 30
              +3
              There are different neighbors. One thing is the Philippines, another thing is Russia with nuclear weapons. The US won’t raise a hand against the DPRK.
            3. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 5 December 2017 00: 09
              0
              Quote: svp67
              History shows that in rapidly developing states, sooner or later there will be friction with all neighbors.

              History shows that China, despite its economic strength and population IS ALWAYS was patient! From the Mongols, through the Opium Wars to the Japanese occupation of the middle of the last century ...
              1. zoolu350
                zoolu350 5 December 2017 09: 44
                0
                Yeah, tell the Koreans, Vietnamese, Mongols, Burmese, who were constant tributaries of China. And the mattresses at the same time as during the Korean War the "patience" nightmares them.
                1. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 5 December 2017 15: 27
                  0
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  Yeah, tell the Koreans

                  For some reason, in all Korean historical films, such as Hongildon, Koreans are fighting the Japanese invaders, not the Chinese ...
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  Vietnamese

                  These are those who in 1979 piled on the Chinese?
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  mongolam

                  Are they the ones who made all the Chinese men wear pigtails and created the Yuan Dynasty?
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  Burmese

                  These are those who migrated to Myanmar from the territory, in fact, of China?
                  Quote: zoolu350
                  And the mattresses at the same time as during the Korean War the "patience" nightmares them.

                  It would be interesting to see how they would have nightmares without our aircraft?
                  If they are so cool, then why did they lose both opium wars so mediocre? And they gave themselves to tear up European states, including us (they did not squeeze out a frail piece of Primorye) without any partisan resistance? Why, like cattle, went to slaughter during WWII? When did a handful of Japanese, in the same Nanjing, cut them out in hundreds of thousands?
                  Only the only people in the world have this saying: "They do not make nails of good metal, a good man will not go to the soldiers"!
                  The Chinese are merchants, but not wars!
                  1. zoolu350
                    zoolu350 5 December 2017 15: 53
                    0
                    Quote: AllXVahhaB
                    in all Korean historical films, such as Hongildon, Koreans are fighting the Japanese invaders, not the Chinese ...
                    These are those who in 1979 piled on the Chinese?
                    Are they the ones who made all the Chinese men wear pigtails and created the Yuan Dynasty?
                    These are those who migrated to Myanmar from the territory, in fact, of China?
                    It would be interesting to see how they would have nightmares without our aircraft?
                    If they are so cool, then why did they lose both opium wars so mediocre? And they gave themselves to tear up European states, including us (they did not squeeze out a frail piece of Primorye) without any partisan resistance? Why, like cattle, went to slaughter during WWII? When did a handful of Japanese, in the same Nanjing, cut them out in hundreds of thousands?
                    Only the only people in the world have this saying: "They do not make nails of good metal, a good man will not go to the soldiers"!
                    The Chinese are merchants, but not wars!

                    Well, not to make films for the Koreans about how the rulers of Joseon crawled on bunches in front of the Chinese emperors, not patriotic;
                    1979 episode, a (Aulak and Namviet fought wars with the Qin empire, during which Namviet was captured by it. However, after the fall of the empire, Qin Namviet and Aulak united into a single state of Namviet, in the II century BC, second in power only to the empire Han [8].
                    However, already at the end of the II century. BC e. the country falls under the rule of the Han emperors. Despite the short-term gaining of independence as a result of the “uprising of two sisters,” [9] Chinese rule lasted until the XNUMXth century) a period of history;
                    There were pigtails, but do you know where the Yuan Dynasty went?
                    Emigrated and paid tribute to the Emperor;
                    Once again I say, 64 IAK carried out the cover of the rear, on the front line the Chinese were left to their own devices.
                    And about the period 1845-1945. - This is the decline of China (something like 1220-1320 in the history of Russia).
                    1. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 5 December 2017 17: 35
                      0
                      Quote: zoolu350
                      1979 episode, and the period of history;

                      And this story was written, of course, by the Han people! In Ukraine, now, they are also writing a story about ancient ukrov ...
            4. Alex1117
              Alex1117 5 December 2017 05: 51
              +1
              Since the 20th century, history does not show this. The fastest growing countries: Singapore, South Korea, Malaysia, now Vietnam ... and post-war Japan too.
        6. cerbuk6155
          cerbuk6155 4 December 2017 18: 04
          +7
          And he doesn’t stuff to our friends. And the party party rules there and not the wild liberals of capitalism. It immediately shows who and where is going and who only squeaks and arranges a show. soldier
          1. Kleber
            Kleber 4 December 2017 18: 15
            +1
            Quote: cerbuk6155
            And he doesn’t stuff to our friends. And the party party rules there and not the wild liberals of capitalism. It immediately shows who and where is going and who only squeaks and arranges a show. soldier


            From aircraft carriers jumped to political parties. Sailed.
        7. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 December 2017 19: 44
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          China from those friends who are for the trunk, but to the museum

          China and I have a huge land border, so their fleet is directed against the United States.
        8. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 4 December 2017 23: 58
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          China is one of those friends who are for the trunk, but to the museum ... And while we do not have our own aircraft carriers at the Pacific Fleet, this news is not very happy ...

          That's why for some reason aircraft carriers of Japan, with which we do not even have a peace treaty and which openly declares on the South Kuril Islands, do not care about anyone:








          And the Chinese unfinished aircraft carrier causes unhealthy excitement!
          We must rejoice for the Chinese! Because they are directed against them:


          And the more and longer they will butt over the Yellow and East China Seas, the calmer and better we are !!!
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 December 2017 00: 00
            +2
            For clarity:
      4. MadCat
        MadCat 4 December 2017 18: 19
        +1
        Quote: Kleber
        You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

        subject to at least parity in armaments, these leaders have a short conversation with wimps.
        1. Kleber
          Kleber 4 December 2017 18: 26
          +2
          Quote: MadCat
          Quote: Kleber
          You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

          subject to at least parity in armaments, these leaders have a short conversation with wimps.


          Finish .... Chinese aircraft carriers to attack Russia. From their regular aerodromes, bombers, by no means, can reach Russia.
      5. Svarog
        Svarog 4 December 2017 18: 33
        +4
        Quote: Kleber
        Quote: Crowe
        So I want some problems there! Because of envy, or what?


        You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

        Why is this explicit? Not at all obvious .. Listen to businessmen who live in China and read their press. Look at real things, not what they tell us on TV. There are no real cases; it’s very difficult to get to the market. The Chinese are potentially becoming very dangerous.
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 5 December 2017 00: 13
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          It’s very difficult to get to the market.

          And with what goods are you going to get there?
          1. Sergey74
            Sergey74 7 December 2017 11: 24
            0
            “China has replaced Turkey in the list of major buyers of Russian food. Over the nine months of 2016, its share in exports amounted to 10,8%. Over the year, deliveries of categories such as ice cream, wine and chocolate grew 3-5 times”
            In my opinion, not bad))
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 7 December 2017 17: 15
              0
              Quote: Sergey74
              ice cream, wine and chocolate

              It's not bad? Are you joking? Why not truffles?
              That's when it will be: pork, soy and wheat, then it will be not bad.
              Do you understand what I'm talking about?
      6. Burbon
        Burbon 4 December 2017 18: 36
        +1
        Quote: Kleber
        You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

        wassat belay who told you such nonsense?
        1. Kleber
          Kleber 4 December 2017 19: 45
          +1
          Quote: Burbon
          Quote: Kleber
          You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

          wassat belay who told you such nonsense?


          Another. Tell me which Russian coast will the Chinese send their aircraft carriers in case of war?
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 4 December 2017 22: 37
            0
            Quote: Kleber
            Tell me which Russian coast will the Chinese send their aircraft carriers in case of war?

            fool to the Novosibirsk islands fool
          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 5 December 2017 00: 14
            +1
            Quote: Kleber
            Another. Tell me which Russian coast will the Chinese send their aircraft carriers in case of war?

            To Kaliningrad, probably fellow
      7. edge
        edge 5 December 2017 08: 07
        +1
        Quote: Kleber
        You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved

        it is a weapon, and it will be used as needed by the manager class .....
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 4 December 2017 17: 59
      +4
      Yes, well done Chinese, they wanted to do it, but we ...... well, we are jealous however.
      1. edge
        edge 5 December 2017 08: 10
        0
        Quote: vovanpain
        Yes, well done Chinese, they wanted to do it, but we ...... well, we are jealous however.

        they need to deal with taiwan, yapchami, vietami, kory and the southeast islands need to be connected when the sneakers
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 4 December 2017 19: 32
      +1
      Quote: Crowe
      So I want some problems there!

      Explain your position, pliz. According to the principle of principle, or something, let everything burn out, but the cow will die from the neighbor?
  2. 1331M
    1331M 4 December 2017 17: 44
    +5
    Well done, what can I say ... There are both opportunities and a desire. Even somehow I was glad now for them.
  3. san4es
    san4es 4 December 2017 17: 45
    +8
    Shandong or project 001A

  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 4 December 2017 17: 54
    11
    My congratulations to the Chinese side. Why don’t you say this, but great fellows are Chinese. Technological and technical breakthrough on the face. 20 years ago and no one could think about it.
    And we wouldn’t drool, looking at these aircraft carriers, that China, that the USA, and quickly lay a series of destroyers Leader and finish Zircon.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 December 2017 17: 59
      +9
      Why lay a series of destroyers - if there is nothing under them? First you need to bring the frigate to work capacity. To transfer the beam overpower. With energy decide. When the% of mastered types is sufficient, then you can talk about the destroyer. If it is laid now, it is good if by the 25-30 year it will be ready. And most of the time he will be waiting for supplies / drawings / improvements.

      The Chinese are building a full-fledged ocean fleet. From frigates and destroyers, to the DKVD and aircraft carriers, without forgetting the supply ships. On October 9 launched the second high-speed KUG / AUG supply ship in the ocean zone (50к + tons of displacement).
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 4 December 2017 18: 03
        +3
        Quote: donavi49
        First you need to bring the frigate to work capacity.

        I wrote below about the project of frigate 22350M ... Shoigu stated that frigates of projects 22350 and 22350M will become the backbone of our fleets. And where is it?
        And the project 22350M frigate is essentially a light destroyer.
        1. alexhol
          alexhol 4 December 2017 19: 34
          +5
          Where? And you yourself don’t know.
          Forbes magazine has published the TOP 11 luxury yachts owned by billionaires from Russia. Most ships launched in the LAST FIVE YEARS !!! "
        2. Dart2027
          Dart2027 4 December 2017 19: 49
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          And where is it?

          Thanks to our colleagues who still cannot make Poliment Redut fully operational.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 4 December 2017 19: 55
            +4
            Quote: Dart2027
            Thanks to our colleagues who still cannot make Poliment Redut fully operational.

            Is the domestic gas turbine ready for the series? What were you waiting for with Ukrainian products of Motor Sich? What Parasha will continue to supply us with its gas turbines? In the 13th year, it was still necessary to solve the issue, either to purchase with a margin or to start import substitution ... neither was done. As a result, we are selling almost completed three pieces to India, while we ourselves are sitting with their bare backs and watching sluggish movements along Gorshkov.
      2. edge
        edge 5 December 2017 08: 14
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        Why lay a series of destroyers - if there is nothing under them? First you need to bring the frigate to work capacity. To transfer the beam overpower. With energy decide. When the% of mastered types is sufficient, then

        we take the example of the USSR, they started new projects and jumped into space ...... and so they would still have fumbled in the ....
      3. killganoff
        killganoff 7 December 2017 09: 52
        0
        Joy and envy! ... But there is something to envy ....
    2. Kent0001
      Kent0001 4 December 2017 18: 19
      +6
      What to lay? For money withdrawn over a hill? For purchased tregeris? Do our ship engines work normally, or do they work just like missiles fly? And a lot more questions. We will not have a normal fleet for a very long time, if it ever appears at all. Although we are building the nuclear submarines, that’s good.
  5. Chichikov
    Chichikov 4 December 2017 17: 56
    +5
    A market economy in conjunction with socialism, a strong centralized power, under the leadership of the CCP, in action! And why do the “Asian tigers”, regardless of the political system, get it all? It seems to be no secret!
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 4 December 2017 18: 22
      +7
      They shoot the embezzlers. And their elite - patriots, not corrupt twos ... controlled from across the ocean - well, you understand.
      1. Valery Saitov
        Valery Saitov 5 December 2017 06: 56
        0
        Only billionaires in China are larger than any country (and this is the Communists) somewhere around 389 people. And they have not shot anyone for a long time (look through the Internet).
      2. killganoff
        killganoff 7 December 2017 09: 55
        0
        Absolutely agree!!! But in another state I heard embezzlers still being encouraged for theft in the ministry. Have you heard of such a country?
  6. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 4 December 2017 17: 58
    +6
    The bulk island will be guarded, the floating amers through their teeth will smile.
  7. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 December 2017 17: 59
    +3
    And we argue on the site, hoarsely, we break spears, although Syria has shown that the country needs at least a couple of aircraft carriers yesterday before the cutoff! Comrade gentlemen, who will shout on behalf of the country that we do not need aircraft carriers — you personally do not offer them, but do not answer for the country! !!!
  8. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 4 December 2017 18: 00
    +7
    Quote: Crowe
    So I want some problems there! Because of envy, or what?
    Ah yes Chinese, ah yes Chinese women!

    For China, we have long since become not the eldest brother but the younger. And that is the truth. We ruin ourselves and not the United States and not Europe. soldier
    1. edge
      edge 5 December 2017 08: 18
      0
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      For China, we have long since become not the eldest brother but the younger. And that is the truth.

      yeah, especially when you consider that they use and replicate our development .....
  9. K-50
    K-50 4 December 2017 18: 09
    0
    The usual power plant is apparently a gas turbine and / or diesel engine?
    How much did they swing them to move 85 kilotons of displacement with decent speed? recourse
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 December 2017 18: 29
      +2
      Boilers. Advanced only. On Varyag / Liaolin - with an increased resource and computer control. On tip-001A - even more improved, both in terms of parameters and automation. On their 956 updated is an intermediate version. To Kuzyu - closer to the Varangian / Liaolin go.

      By the way, on 956, things are going pretty badly. Slow. Slowly work. But the main armament has already been cut. They threw out the Beam Styles, putting VPU + supplemented them with their short-range complex (analogue of RIM-116). They promise until the fall of 2018 to surrender the updated destroyer and take the next.
  10. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 22
    0
    I wonder how he will show himself. Probably they licked a lot from Varyag. yes
  11. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 25
    0
    Quote: cerbuk6155
    Quote: Crowe
    So I want some problems there! Because of envy, or what?
    Ah yes Chinese, ah yes Chinese women!

    For China, we have long since become not the eldest brother but the younger. And that is the truth. We ruin ourselves and not the United States and not Europe. soldier

    Yes, what they licked from us, and what they stole - that's for sure! yes
  12. Mentat
    Mentat 4 December 2017 18: 26
    +3
    Quote: vovanpain
    Yes, well done Chinese, they wanted to do it, but we ...... well, we are jealous however.

    Why? An aircraft carrier on a Soviet project sprinkled with mothballs? Or statements that "such a project is designed, directly with a steam catapult"?
    At the moment, aircraft carriers for Russia - the dispersal of funds and suboptimal spending.
    In addition, their scope for today is not. The entire zone of interests, where forceful influence is possible, is perfectly covered without them.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 4 December 2017 18: 39
      +4
      Well, China is actively expanding to Africa. Most of East Africa is now either under the Chinese or is actively colonized by the Chinese. Corporations, their people - all this needs protection. And the sphere of influence can be kept only if you have fists. Otherwise they’ll take it away. He also leads an active expansion in the region. In the future, a very real war with several countries at once — moreover, a war at sea.
    2. vadsonen
      vadsonen 5 December 2017 12: 33
      +1
      In addition, their scope for today is not

      And tomorrow? It is impossible to foresee what challenges will be tomorrow, and therefore various means of projecting power are needed. Aircraft carrier is built not a year or two.
  13. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 27
    0
    Quote: Herkulesich
    And we argue on the site, hoarsely, we break spears, although Syria has shown that the country needs at least a couple of aircraft carriers yesterday before the cutoff! Comrade gentlemen, who will shout on behalf of the country that we do not need aircraft carriers — you personally do not offer them, but do not answer for the country! !!!

    I completely agree, but they still need security ships, well, and a few submarines.
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 4 December 2017 18: 28
    +1
    A copy of far from the best Soviet solution.
  15. Mentat
    Mentat 4 December 2017 18: 29
    +2
    Quote: Herkulesich
    Syria showed the country at least a couple of aircraft carriers are needed yesterday before the cut-off!

    What for? Describe the application scenario.
  16. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 33
    +2
    Quote: Chichikov
    A market economy in conjunction with socialism, a strong centralized power, under the leadership of the CCP, in action! And why do the “Asian tigers”, regardless of the political system, get it all? It seems to be no secret!

    This says that the Americans do not care about the Communists, they are fighting with Russia. They need to destroy not communist China, but Russia, which has already surrendered almost everything, but the Americans don’t have it, they want the collapse of Russia. request
    1. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 4 December 2017 19: 30
      0
      China is not the USSR. Otherwise, ballistic missiles with a not small garrison of PLA would have long stood in Venezuela.
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 5 December 2017 00: 20
      0
      Quote: Simon
      Americans do not care about the Communists

      Quote: Simon
      They need to destroy non-communist China,

      Chinese Communists - only by name!
  17. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 34
    0
    Quote: NEXUS
    Quote: donavi49
    First you need to bring the frigate to work capacity.

    I wrote below about the project of frigate 22350M ... Shoigu stated that frigates of projects 22350 and 22350M will become the backbone of our fleets. And where is it?
    And the project 22350M frigate is essentially a light destroyer.

    Everything has its time! request
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 4 December 2017 19: 01
      +4
      Quote: Simon
      Everything has its time!

      While we are scratching the pumpkin, the Eagles and Atlantes will have to be written off already ... Buzzards are already written off. And in the bottom line, we essentially have the coastal fleet. How are we going to protect our Dolphins and Boreas?
      Our time has not even come today, but the day before yesterday.
      1. Valery Saitov
        Valery Saitov 5 December 2017 06: 51
        0
        Vladimir Korolev recalled that the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg completed the construction of a series of six latest diesel-electric submarines of project 636.3 for the Black Sea Fleet. These submarines carry on board high-precision missile weapons and have increased stealth and maneuverability. In 2017, the Admiralty Shipyards begin construction of six of the same submarines for the Pacific Fleet. As previously reported, the first two submarines of this project for the Pacific Fleet received the names Mozhaisk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
  18. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 37
    +1
    Quote: Kleber
    Yeah, “we’ll put our hats on, we will throw their icons” ... something very familiar. )))

    Something, you're not talking my friend! You can’t throw icons! fool
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    2. Viktor.12.71
      Viktor.12.71 4 December 2017 20: 07
      +2
      Quote: Simon
      Something, you're not talking my friend! You can’t throw icons! fool

      You have not read the Bible, icons are forbidden heresy by God. Exodus 20: 4-5
    3. Kleber
      Kleber 4 December 2017 20: 59
      +1
      Quote: Simon
      Quote: Kleber
      Yeah, “we’ll put our hats on, we will throw their icons” ... something very familiar. )))

      Something, you're not talking my friend! You can’t throw icons! fool


      Note that the phrase is in quotation marks. Having arrived in Manchuria, Kuropatkin brought several wagons of icons for soldiers with him. Before the war, he shouted that we would throw the Japanese with hats. Therefore, the officers looked at the cars with icons that arrived with the commander and gave this phrase.
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  20. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 47
    0
    Quote: Kleber
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Kleber
    You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

    China is one of those friends who are for the trunk, but to the museum ... And while we do not have our own aircraft carriers at the Pacific Fleet, this news is not very happy ...


    Yes, Russia is better not to have any friends at all, it’s so calmer. Only I can not catch your thought .... China that will launch aircraft from aircraft carriers to the Primorsky Territory?

    I agree! When he needs political help, he is loyal to Russia, and so he is on his own. He wants to tear himself a piece of Siberia! Already Chinese moneybags are buying up the territory around Lake Baikal.
  21. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 53
    +1
    Quote: Zibelew
    Quote: Kleber
    China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog

    Soon, ships of the 1st rank will not remain on the Pacific Ocean. Everything is already placed on one pier.

    And it may be beneficial to have a bunch of small ships with good, modern weapons than one. Everyone knows that a beehive can drive a bear away! fool
    1. Awaz
      Awaz 4 December 2017 20: 10
      0
      I always say the same thing. The Americans have a completely different strategic task and under it they build their weapons. We have our own task and aircraft carriers there are in no way needed in their right mind. Although I am not opposed to powerful missile ships capable of performing tasks to scare off all kinds of aircraft carrier groups, even alone.
  22. Simon
    Simon 4 December 2017 18: 55
    0
    Quote: Kleber
    Quote: Crowe
    So I want some problems there! Because of envy, or what?


    You shouldn’t be so. China's aircraft carriers are clearly not against Russia will be involved in the event of a leapfrog.

    Trust your friend, but always check him out! request
  23. loginovich
    loginovich 4 December 2017 19: 19
    0
    And 40 years ago, the Chinese with slingshots after the sparrows fled.
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 4 December 2017 19: 57
      0
      Quote: loginovich
      And 40 years ago, the Chinese with slingshots after the sparrows fled.


      They have degraded for so many years))))

      In the II century BC e. (and according to other sources as far back as the XNUMXth century BC), independently crossbows were invented in China.
  24. Awaz
    Awaz 4 December 2017 20: 06
    +4
    I do not envy at all. My opinion about aircraft carriers is always unambiguous: pointless throwing money away. The Chinese have a lot of money - let them spend all sorts of nonsense. We also need to develop a submarine fleet and aviation with air defense. Everything else as needed. Our main task is not to capture and control remote territories. Our task is to protect our territory. Carriers here are no helpers here, rather, on the contrary, this is the primary goal for the adversary. And the loss of one such a large ship is an awesome negative moment.
    Do not be fooled by an adversary who pursues completely opposite goals for these purposes and creates weapons. Our goals are different and require different weapons for this.
  25. tractor driver
    tractor driver 4 December 2017 20: 08
    0
    Quote: Crowe
    So I want some problems there!

    To a huge ship - a huge torpedo, like, a dozen Zircons (Granite / Onyx / Caliber)? laughing
  26. shans2
    shans2 4 December 2017 21: 23
    +1
    aircraft carriers, destroyers, .. we need to do submarines, submarines)
    1. Valery Saitov
      Valery Saitov 5 December 2017 06: 48
      0
      “Russia's naval nuclear forces include nine strategic submarines that provide continuous combat patrols in offshore areas. The Russian Navy also plans to bring the number of strategic nuclear submarines to 13, including seven Boreevs with Bulava missiles,” said Shoigu .Vladimir Korolev recalled that the Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg completed the construction of a series of six latest diesel-electric submarines of Project 636.3 for the Black Sea Fleet.These submarines carry high-precision missile weapons on board and have increased stealth and maneuverability. In 2017 The Admiralty Shipyards begin construction of six of the same submarines for the Pacific Fleet. As already reported, the first two submarines of this project for the Pacific Fleet received the names Mozhaisk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky.
  27. Forever so
    Forever so 4 December 2017 21: 45
    0
    you don’t use steam catapults in the north, they’re freezing, only a springboard. So the Chinese are preparing the third for the southern seas. For california, guam.
  28. Normal ok
    Normal ok 4 December 2017 22: 33
    0
    A Chinese aircraft carrier of its own construction is ready for sea trials.

    The chief designer of the project is Mi Hai Len Ko, engineers: Ko Wah Len Ko and O Lei Nick laughing
  29. Mentat
    Mentat 4 December 2017 23: 59
    0
    Quote: Dedall
    Yes, I also think that if the patriarch is thrown, then we will do more damage. There, in it, there is only one der ... ma - you can flood the half-meshes.

    Inciting religious hatred intentionally. Cossack mishandled or your personal cockroaches?
  30. Valery Saitov
    Valery Saitov 5 December 2017 06: 44
    0
    And whose planes will be on the aircraft carrier, really ours again ... yeah, they can copy, but even the rags have no quality. And this iron will be constantly under repair.
  31. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 5 December 2017 12: 39
    +1
    And how do you like the Chinese aircraft carrier in the "steppes" of Shanghai?
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 5 December 2017 12: 41
      +1


      Impressive?
    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 5 December 2017 12: 55
      +1

      Of course, this is not a real aircraft carrier - it is a building in the form of an aircraft carrier - a museum of the army and navy - what is the scope.
      Inside the exposition of weapons and the history of the PLA.
  32. Mentat
    Mentat 5 December 2017 12: 53
    0
    Quote: DimerVladimer


    Impressive?

    Not. Project of the late 70s.
  33. gorenina91
    gorenina91 5 December 2017 14: 31
    0
    - Moreover, in no case can Russia be given away to the Japanese islands (of course, some) ... -These islands are unsinkable aircraft carriers for Russia ... -But if liberals come to power in Russia .., like Navalny and others .. then they, without blinking an eye ... - they will drive these islands at a "reasonable price." -to anyone ... -at least the Japanese, even the Chinese ...