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What did the Russian deep-sea apparatus discover when searching for the San Juan submarine?

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In the area of ​​the last connection to the Argentine submarine San Juan, a Russian remote-controlled deep-water submersible discovered an object that was initially mistaken for a missing submarine. After research, it turned out that we are talking about a fishing vessel sunken at a depth of about 950 m. Information was confirmed by the head of the press service of the Argentine Navy, Enrique Balbi.


After the discovery of a fishing vessel, which sank a few hundred kilometers from the coast, representatives of the Argentine naval forces received another version of the reasons for the loss of the San-Juan diesel-electric submarine. This version reads as follows: San Juan diesel-electric submarines could have touched any of the sunken objects with a hull at a relatively shallow depth, which led to fatal damage to the casing and almost instantaneous filling of the submarine’s internal space with water.

What did the Russian deep-sea apparatus discover when searching for the San Juan submarine?


It does not indicate whether there are any bottom areas in the submarine feed area of ​​the last communication signal that are at a depth that would correspond to the depth of a submarine of this type. Neither is the commentary given on why the submarine "did not notice" the obstacles in the way.

Meanwhile, in the Argentine segment of social networks, they are still discussing the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could have been a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine. The most frequent accusations are against the UK, with which Argentina argues for the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 4 December 2017 06: 37 New
    30
    They should find the boat, they are simply obliged .. Although for the sake of those who rested at the bottom with the submarine and their relatives ..
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 06: 45 New
      12
      Well, Kursk was also raised, I think, not because of the crew. There, after all, there was a reactor and an inquiry for the reasons for the death of well, and missiles.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 4 December 2017 06: 49 New
        10
        This is certainly true. The reason must be clarified.
        Quote: VadimLives
        Well, Kursk was also raised, I think, not because of the crew. There, after all, there was a reactor and an inquiry for the reasons for the death of well, and missiles.
      2. Orionvit
        Orionvit 4 December 2017 07: 40 New
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        Quote: VadimLives
        There still was a reactor and an inquiry for the causes of death

        About the reactor, okay, that’s understandable. And about the cause of the death of the "Kursk", you all told? They feed some sort of tales that do not suit absolutely anyone but the authorities. A lot of weird.
        1. hrych
          hrych 4 December 2017 10: 48 New
          12
          Quote: Orionvit
          And about the cause of the death of the "Kursk", you all told? Some kind of bikes are fed

          And you do not need to know. This is not your competence. In general, the show was arranged. Even the deaths did not have to be reported, not so much as the details.
          1. notingem
            notingem 4 December 2017 11: 33 New
            11
            You are my friend, a valantarist and a hypocrite. Citizens are required to know and demand a report. Cheeks will be inflated in the royal chambers
            1. hrych
              hrych 4 December 2017 11: 54 New
              22
              Quote: notingem
              Citizens are required to know and demand a report.

              Let the citizens hand out lists of agents undercover, how much is spent on them, the locations of the strategic nuclear forces and nuclear weapons. Yes, I agree, there was a chance to save the crew, they turned to foreigners, etc. Here the media came running. No, more is needed, such as what exploded there or who they encountered. All this information is closed, like the construction of a boat, weapons systems and circumstances of death. You already voiced the version, so you do not believe in it one damn thing. Speak you another version, you also will not believe in it. Therefore, the topic is closed, the experience of death was taken into account when designing new boats. Here is a bonus for you, as a report to the taxpayer, how funds are spent hi
              1. Orionvit
                Orionvit 5 December 2017 13: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: hrych
                All this information is closed, like the construction of a boat, weapons systems and circumstances of death.

                So closed that they saw and lift it, entrusted to everyone who did not get.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 5 December 2017 18: 21 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Orionvit
                  So closed that they saw and lift it, entrusted to everyone who did not get.

                  Yes, they did, but they didn’t allow us to get inside, and at all stages we watched so that the Norwegians and others wouldn’t poke their nose where it was not supposed to. Previously, in order to preserve the secrets of the state, they would only allow the crew to die, which is not humane, but correct. Only 6 of our and 6 Norwegian divers entered inside, ours took away secret documents, etc. After that, the bodies were evacuated. If we accept the alternative version of the death - the torpedoing of the Memphis submarine or a collision occurred, then all the more so, the GDP had to solve this issue with the USA and it was harmful to know the details for the average person. The main thing - one at such depths (100 meters) this giant in underwater position had nothing to do, like an American boat. It is almost 20 meters in diameter, you could easily crash into the ground by yourself, etc.
                  1. max702
                    max702 6 December 2017 13: 15 New
                    +2
                    Quote: hrych
                    If we accept the alternative version of the death - the torpedoing of the Memphis submarine or a collision occurred, then all the more so, the GDP had to solve this issue with the USA and it was harmful to know the details for the average person.

                    By indirect indications, this was the case .. Firstly, it was not in vain that the entire Northern Fleet ironed the waters of this incident with depth bombs for several hours, most likely it didn’t give the result, because then they suddenly wrote off a lot of debts from us and gave a huge loan .. Why would this be? The "partners" have nothing more important than money, but is there such generosity? Most likely the question was whether to press the button or not .. GDP just took the virus from the USA .. And this decision turned out to be right, today we are in a much more favorable position, but we could already be ashes ...
            2. bk316
              bk316 4 December 2017 17: 22 New
              +9
              Citizens must know and demand a report

              Oh yes, now you not only the government and the president, but also indicate to citizens that they are obliged. Not much to take on?
              Should know those who are supposed to know.
              1. 97110
                97110 8 December 2017 13: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: bk316
                Should know those who are supposed to know.

                It is clear to us who served in the SA. And to them, who already in the second or third generation have already left the box, each "wonkor" considers it respectable to call the closed name and location of the military unit, which was awarded him, "military correspondent," a benevolent attention. It is not clear to the "citizen" what to talk about with the "lady" in the evening.
            3. stas
              stas 4 December 2017 17: 22 New
              +7
              Notingham!
              Well, you my friend fell from the moon, you still say that the power in Russia belongs to the people.
              No need to joke like that, otherwise the Kremlin will inadvertently die of laughter, what then will we do without the Tsar. Lost however.
            4. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 4 December 2017 22: 46 New
              +4
              Quote: notingem
              You are my friend, a valantarist and a hypocrite. Citizens are required to know and demand a report. Cheeks will be inflated in the royal chambers

              is it in such a democratic country that you have been taught that you should know everything, always and according to your desire ??? fool fool fool
              1. notingem
                notingem 10 December 2017 11: 04 New
                0
                In Russia. I voted for the president, which means he is accountable to me. Clear ? And an official of any rank reports to the president. Or are you against the Constitution of Russia? I think against
                1. Nikolai Grek
                  Nikolai Grek 10 December 2017 16: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: notingem
                  then he is accountable to me. Clear ?

                  what what what then put forward the initiative to remove secrecy in all areas in Russia !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                  1. notingem
                    notingem 15 December 2017 18: 01 New
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                    SELLING THE MOST NEW TECHNIQUE FOR THE TOGETHER NORMAL? Secrecy? Characteristics of technology in open publications secrecy?
        2. Seryoga Gord
          Seryoga Gord 5 December 2017 12: 46 New
          +1
          the reason is simple - a "shot in the foot" with your own Flurry and cranes, but they learned its effectiveness by 100% ...))
          1. regul101
            regul101 9 December 2017 19: 46 New
            +1
            To all competent submariners (not old farts ... to us admirals who climbed onto the screens) it soon became clear that the cause of the death of the boat was the explosion of rack torpedoes in the first compartment after the explosion of hydrogen peroxide of a practical torpedo in a torpedo tube. This was confirmed by the investigation. Before you write such comments, you need to be at least approximately up to date!
        3. Midshipman-53
          Midshipman-53 7 December 2017 18: 18 New
          +2
          Submariners perished, orphaned families, and give everything to you. What will it change?! Will you return the crew from the other world? I am sure that the reason has long been found, but this does not mean that this needs to be trending around the world. This is still the Navy and secrecy has not been canceled.
        4. regul101
          regul101 9 December 2017 19: 37 New
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          Tales end long ago! To all competent submariners (not old farts ... to us admirals who climbed onto the screens) it soon became clear that the cause of the death of the boat was the explosion of rack torpedoes in the first compartment after the explosion of hydrogen peroxide of a practical torpedo in a torpedo tube. This was confirmed by the investigation. Before you write such comments, you need to be at least approximately up to date!
    2. Antidote
      Antidote 4 December 2017 07: 11 New
      +1
      MH370 was not found, for example.
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 4 December 2017 08: 31 New
      +9
      The sailors have eternal memory and peace for your home. And with the boat, another flying Dutchman. request
    4. tecnik
      tecnik 4 December 2017 22: 13 New
      +1
      And how did this magical apparatus look for Russian polar explorers near Spitsbergen? And why did the Mi-8 lift a Norwegian crane? after the tragedy with Kursk, we re-equipped all the rescue services of the Navy.
  2. Primoos
    Primoos 4 December 2017 06: 40 New
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    Do you remember Kursk? Voooot! We will never know the truth. With the Argentinean submarine too. Ends in the water!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 4 December 2017 06: 58 New
      10
      Remember. "She drowned!" (C)
      1. kenig1
        kenig1 4 December 2017 07: 27 New
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        No matter how it sounds, but she drowned, for which reason this is another story.
    2. regul101
      regul101 9 December 2017 19: 41 New
      0
      To all competent submariners (not old farts ... to us admirals who climbed onto the screens) it soon became clear that the cause of the death of the boat was the explosion of rack torpedoes in the first compartment after the explosion of hydrogen peroxide of a practical torpedo in a torpedo tube. This was confirmed by the investigation. Before you write such comments, you need to be at least approximately up to date!
  3. inkass_98
    inkass_98 4 December 2017 06: 43 New
    +9
    It turns out that the boat has boomed into some previously unknown rift, as is often the case.
    Of course, it is necessary to find it, but it can be difficult to get from the bottom if there really is such a rift.
    Yes, and the example of the Baltic is indicative: what the bottom has been investigated for, and the depths are small, but the dead ships and boats of WWII times that were previously missing are constantly found.
    1. Vadim Zhivov
      Vadim Zhivov 4 December 2017 06: 48 New
      +5
      They are looking and also not everyone has found ... And the Baltic is shallow ... hi
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 4 December 2017 06: 52 New
        +8
        So I am about the same. And here the area is known approximately, and the bottom topography is quite complicated.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 4 December 2017 10: 37 New
          +6
          Quote: inkass_98
          So I am about the same. And here the area is known approximately, and the bottom topography is quite complicated.

          Ours just started to search. Before that, more Americans fussed there. Given the fact that recently, about a dozen bulk carriers and container ships have suffered from US Navy ships on the surface of the water, let alone the depths. Probably mattresses and rammed a submarine. Interestingly, over the past couple of weeks, the American wounded boat didn’t come to the docks to NATO docks in the NATO docks? And of course you need to find a boat in order to establish the cause of death.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 4 December 2017 07: 48 New
      0
      It turns out that the boat has boomed into some previously unknown rift, as is often the case.
      -will make the currents near the Bering Strait on the island ??? ... mattresses
      1. Dashout
        Dashout 4 December 2017 10: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: antivirus
        It turns out that the boat slipped into some previously unknown fault, as is often the case

        How is it?
  4. Observer2014
    Observer2014 4 December 2017 06: 49 New
    +9
    Meanwhile, in the Argentinean segment of social networks, they continue to discuss the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could become a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine.
    Look for the boat until you find it. And everything will become clear. The depths are great. There will not be enough to “cut off” the first compartment of power. Anyway, there will be a good opportunity to find out why.
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 December 2017 06: 50 New
    +4
    Let's hope the boat is found. Although the search cannot continue indefinitely. Missing boats are found by chance 50-70 years after the end of the war (as an example).
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 4 December 2017 08: 04 New
      +8
      Gene, welcome! hi
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Let's hope the boat is found.

      I think that they will find her only if someone not interested in revealing the true causes of the tragedy does not interfere.
      Meanwhile, in the Argentinean segment of social networks, they continue to discuss the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could become a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine. Most often accusations are made to the UK

      The fact that they blame Small Britain is understandable - long-time bosom enemies. And if we assume that the United States are involved?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 4 December 2017 09: 24 New
        +4
        Greetings, Maxim! hi
        ... will not interfere
        It happens that when they do not interfere and there is a great desire to find, but they cannot. And after N, the number of years was accidentally found. Fate and providence.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 4 December 2017 09: 29 New
          +5
          A case is a manifestation of a certain pattern. I fully admit that the submarine is not looking where it is.
          1. rotmistr60
            rotmistr60 4 December 2017 09: 34 New
            +2
            In our world, everything is possible. Something towards evening attracted to philosophy.
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 4 December 2017 09: 38 New
              +3
              Gena, we have morning in Belarus. As I understand it, you live far from Moscow.
              1. rotmistr60
                rotmistr60 4 December 2017 09: 49 New
                +4
                The glorious city of Khabarovsk with the cool river Amur. In a word, the Far East, which seems to be finally remembered.
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 4 December 2017 09: 59 New
                  +3
                  Clear.
                  Quote: rotmistr60
                  In a word, the Far East, which seems to be finally remembered.

                  It is better to recall in a good way, and not like in the news about the four half-wits.
                2. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 4 December 2017 10: 18 New
                  +9
                  Max, Gena welcome you hi This is what I thought of. Everything can be very simple. The ocean and the storm, and the boat is not a battleship. Diesel should periodisky pop up to recharge the batteries. In the underwater position, the storm did not slip, and when they surfaced, they swept over or even turned upside down. The boat is just up to zooo tons and its dimensions are not large. As far as I understand, it is possible to resist the storm by having a course and walking across the waves. But only if they were able to start the diesel engine and set off? Even traffic under the RDP is not a guarantee in such a storm.
                  1. rotmistr60
                    rotmistr60 4 December 2017 10: 24 New
                    +3
                    Sergey, welcome! hi Now there are so many versions that you can already shoot a movie on any of them. We’ll wait and find out.
                    1. Svarog51
                      Svarog51 4 December 2017 10: 40 New
                      +7
                      In previous articles I have already heard the version about the shooting, and it’s very interesting. Those four unknowns on the boat could be a film crew and were preparing to photograph the rescue of the boat from the inside by the American rescue complex. But something went completely wrong. Here is a version. Not mine, but a person who completed the rescue service and participated in real operations to rescue submarine crews.
      2. a.sirin
        a.sirin 4 December 2017 15: 08 New
        +1
        And if Russia? What about China? What if Peru and Paraguay?
        1. Grigory_78
          Grigory_78 5 December 2017 23: 08 New
          0
          There are so many Russian and Chinese submarines ... I'm already silent about the myriad of submarines of Peru and Paraguay ..
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 4 December 2017 06: 58 New
    +5
    It seems that the designers took care of a lot, and buoys are thrown out in the event of an accident, and bathyscaphes or rescue chambers on boats put one jester, boats with crews die. Apparently, not soon we will be able to very quickly find the damaged submarines.
  7. Fedorov
    Fedorov 4 December 2017 07: 02 New
    +4
    The sailors are honored and in peace. Like the Malaysian Boeing. Maybe in parallel space .. somewhere they are there? But you have to look.
    Even if something ours is discovered there - figs We will know. On the boat-ship there are 2 rooms, where even the officer on duty is forbidden to enter - Secret and communications.
  8. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 4 December 2017 07: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: Observer2014
    Meanwhile, in the Argentinean segment of social networks, they continue to discuss the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could become a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine.
    Look for the boat until you find it. And everything will become clear. The depths are great. There will not be enough to “cut off” the first compartment of power. Anyway, there will be a good opportunity to find out why.

    We found another object in the area where the boat was lost. This time at a depth of 900 meters. And this is deep! Ours came and began to show results. Before that there were only fables. We will wait for details!
  9. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 4 December 2017 08: 36 New
    0
    It is unlikely that this was the work of Great Britain; shortly before the disappearance, the captain reported on board problems.
  10. shinobi
    shinobi 4 December 2017 08: 48 New
    +1
    It seems to me that the boat did not die. The boat is small, 35 people. So it can be managed by people on 6-8.12-15, taking into account three shift duty. They could steal for contraband. Well, as a version.
  11. atesterev
    atesterev 4 December 2017 09: 25 New
    0
    I recall the search and rise by the Yankees of a thermonuclear bomb, which they mined in Spain near the Mediterranean ...
  12. DEDPIHTO
    DEDPIHTO 4 December 2017 09: 41 New
    +5
    Our country is constantly trying to help everyone, and when we need help, only condolences express ... and then not all sad
    1. Sergey Rudov
      Sergey Rudov 4 December 2017 13: 26 New
      +1
      Why. "Kursk" helped to lift and would have done it faster if ours had not smoked. The impression that they were waiting for the Americans to wash off from there.
      1. melelele
        melelele 8 December 2017 15: 55 New
        0
        because there are vigorous reactors and it’s dangerous, just, not from kindness ...
  13. Terenin
    Terenin 4 December 2017 21: 00 New
    +3
    Information opponents use any event for their own purposes. The less reliable information comes from the scene, the more speculative schemes can be built on this.
    Find a boat you need!
  14. tecnik
    tecnik 4 December 2017 22: 12 New
    0
    And how did this magical apparatus look for Russian polar explorers near Spitsbergen? And why did the Mi-8 lift a Norwegian crane? after the tragedy with Kursk, we re-equipped all the rescue services of the Navy.
  15. Serzh_R
    Serzh_R 5 December 2017 13: 01 New
    0
    I can’t believe that a warship can be lost, unless it wants to.
  16. zelenii75
    zelenii75 5 December 2017 14: 40 New
    +1
    Sailors, of course, pity ... the kingdom of heaven to them! Only one thought is creeping bad: even though here they did not confuse Russia ....
  17. gara1971
    gara1971 5 December 2017 19: 25 New
    +1
    but the version that the submarines were simply leaked to some third world state or to the same cartels for transporting drugs?!:) ..... if they so stubbornly DO NOT want to search and give this publicity :) rooms and lighthouses :) and it will calmly shove kakain and other muck from Russia to South America ... there are just torpedoes on it just in case :)
  18. Midshipman-53
    Midshipman-53 7 December 2017 18: 22 New
    +3
    Wow! All sofa admirals trynd here. Submariners are silent. Because they know the price of such tryndzhe ... Eternal memory of the dead sailors!
  19. Old26
    Old26 7 December 2017 18: 36 New
    0
    Quote: gara1971
    but the version that the submarines were simply leaked to some third world state or to the same cartels for transporting drugs?!:) ..... if they so stubbornly DO NOT want to search and give this publicity :) rooms and lighthouses :) and it will calmly shove kakain and other muck from Russia to South America ... there are just torpedoes on it just in case :)

    Will drugs be transported from South America to Russia using fart steam? Well, nonsense, you don’t have to write and dance on the bones
  20. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 8 December 2017 01: 27 New
    0
    Thank you for the free retelling of the news.