What did the Russian deep-sea apparatus discover when searching for the San Juan submarine?

In the area of ​​the last connection to the Argentine submarine San Juan, a Russian remote-controlled deep-water submersible discovered an object that was initially mistaken for a missing submarine. After research, it turned out that we are talking about a fishing vessel sunken at a depth of about 950 m. Information was confirmed by the head of the press service of the Argentine Navy, Enrique Balbi.

After the discovery of a fishing vessel, which sank a few hundred kilometers from the coast, representatives of the Argentine naval forces received another version of the reasons for the loss of the San-Juan diesel-electric submarine. This version reads as follows: San Juan diesel-electric submarines could have touched any of the sunken objects with a hull at a relatively shallow depth, which led to fatal damage to the casing and almost instantaneous filling of the submarine’s internal space with water.

It does not indicate whether there are any bottom areas in the submarine feed area of ​​the last communication signal that are at a depth that would correspond to the depth of a submarine of this type. Neither is the commentary given on why the submarine "did not notice" the obstacles in the way.

Meanwhile, in the Argentine segment of social networks, they are still discussing the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could have been a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine. The most frequent accusations are against the UK, with which Argentina argues for the Malvinas (Falkland) Islands.

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[210ox]

They should find the boat, they are simply obliged .. Although for the sake of those who rested at the bottom with the submarine and their relatives ..

[Vadim Zhivov]

Well, Kursk was also raised, I think, not because of the crew. There, after all, there was a reactor and an inquiry for the reasons for the death of well, and missiles.

[210ox]

This is certainly true. The reason must be clarified.

Quote: VadimLives

Well, Kursk was also raised, I think, not because of the crew. There, after all, there was a reactor and an inquiry for the reasons for the death of well, and missiles.

[Orionvit]

Quote: VadimLives

There still was a reactor and an inquiry for the causes of death

About the reactor, okay, that’s understandable. And about the cause of the death of the "Kursk", you all told? They feed some sort of tales that do not suit absolutely anyone but the authorities. A lot of weird.

[hrych]

Quote: Orionvit

And about the cause of the death of the "Kursk", you all told? Some kind of bikes are fed

And you do not need to know. This is not your competence. In general, the show was arranged. Even the deaths did not have to be reported, not so much as the details.

[notingem]

You are my friend, a valantarist and a hypocrite. Citizens are required to know and demand a report. Cheeks will be inflated in the royal chambers

[hrych]

Quote: notingem

Citizens are required to know and demand a report.

Let the citizens hand out lists of agents undercover, how much is spent on them, the locations of the strategic nuclear forces and nuclear weapons. Yes, I agree, there was a chance to save the crew, they turned to foreigners, etc. Here the media came running. No, more is needed, such as what exploded there or who they encountered. All this information is closed, like the construction of a boat, weapons systems and circumstances of death. You already voiced the version, so you do not believe in it one damn thing. Speak you another version, you also will not believe in it. Therefore, the topic is closed, the experience of death was taken into account when designing new boats. Here is a bonus for you, as a report to the taxpayer, how funds are spent

[Orionvit]

Quote: hrych

All this information is closed, like the construction of a boat, weapons systems and circumstances of death.

So closed that they saw and lift it, entrusted to everyone who did not get.

[hrych]

Quote: Orionvit

So closed that they saw and lift it, entrusted to everyone who did not get.

Yes, they did, but they didn’t allow us to get inside, and at all stages we watched so that the Norwegians and others wouldn’t poke their nose where it was not supposed to. Previously, in order to preserve the secrets of the state, they would only allow the crew to die, which is not humane, but correct. Only 6 of our and 6 Norwegian divers entered inside, ours took away secret documents, etc. After that, the bodies were evacuated. If we accept the alternative version of the death - the torpedoing of the Memphis submarine or a collision occurred, then all the more so, the GDP had to solve this issue with the USA and it was harmful to know the details for the average person. The main thing - one at such depths (100 meters) this giant in underwater position had nothing to do, like an American boat. It is almost 20 meters in diameter, you could easily crash into the ground by yourself, etc.

[max702]

Quote: hrych

If we accept the alternative version of the death - the torpedoing of the Memphis submarine or a collision occurred, then all the more so, the GDP had to solve this issue with the USA and it was harmful to know the details for the average person.

By indirect indications, this was the case .. Firstly, it was not in vain that the entire Northern Fleet ironed the waters of this incident with depth bombs for several hours, most likely it didn’t give the result, because then they suddenly wrote off a lot of debts from us and gave a huge loan .. Why would this be? The "partners" have nothing more important than money, but is there such generosity? Most likely the question was whether to press the button or not .. GDP just took the virus from the USA .. And this decision turned out to be right, today we are in a much more favorable position, but we could already be ashes ...

[bk316]

Citizens must know and demand a report

Oh yes, now you not only the government and the president, but also indicate to citizens that they are obliged. Not much to take on?
Should know those who are supposed to know.

[97110]

Quote: bk316

Should know those who are supposed to know.

It is clear to us who served in the SA. And to them, who already in the second or third generation have already left the box, each "wonkor" considers it respectable to call the closed name and location of the military unit, which was awarded him, "military correspondent," a benevolent attention. It is not clear to the "citizen" what to talk about with the "lady" in the evening.

[stas]

Notingham!
Well, you my friend fell from the moon, you still say that the power in Russia belongs to the people.
No need to joke like that, otherwise the Kremlin will inadvertently die of laughter, what then will we do without the Tsar. Lost however.

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: notingem

You are my friend, a valantarist and a hypocrite. Citizens are required to know and demand a report. Cheeks will be inflated in the royal chambers

is it in such a democratic country that you have been taught that you should know everything, always and according to your desire ???

[notingem]

In Russia. I voted for the president, which means he is accountable to me. Clear ? And an official of any rank reports to the president. Or are you against the Constitution of Russia? I think against

[Nikolai Grek]

Quote: notingem

then he is accountable to me. Clear ?

then put forward the initiative to remove secrecy in all areas in Russia !!!

[notingem]

SELLING THE MOST NEW TECHNIQUE FOR THE TOGETHER NORMAL? Secrecy? Characteristics of technology in open publications secrecy?

[Seryoga Gord]

the reason is simple - a "shot in the foot" with your own Flurry and cranes, but they learned its effectiveness by 100% ...))

[regulation 101]

To all competent submariners (not old farts ... to us admirals who climbed onto the screens) it soon became clear that the cause of the death of the boat was the explosion of rack torpedoes in the first compartment after the explosion of hydrogen peroxide of a practical torpedo in a torpedo tube. This was confirmed by the investigation. Before you write such comments, you need to be at least approximately up to date!

[Midshipman-53]

Submariners perished, orphaned families, and give everything to you. What will it change?! Will you return the crew from the other world? I am sure that the reason has long been found, but this does not mean that this needs to be trending around the world. This is still the Navy and secrecy has not been canceled.

[regulation 101]

Tales end long ago! To all competent submariners (not old farts ... to us admirals who climbed onto the screens) it soon became clear that the cause of the death of the boat was the explosion of rack torpedoes in the first compartment after the explosion of hydrogen peroxide of a practical torpedo in a torpedo tube. This was confirmed by the investigation. Before you write such comments, you need to be at least approximately up to date!

[Antidote]

MH370 was not found, for example.

[vovanpain]

The sailors have eternal memory and peace for your home. And with the boat, another flying Dutchman.

[technical]

And how did this magical apparatus look for Russian polar explorers near Spitsbergen? And why did the Mi-8 lift a Norwegian crane? after the tragedy with Kursk, we re-equipped all the rescue services of the Navy.

[Primoos]

Do you remember Kursk? Voooot! We will never know the truth. With the Argentinean submarine too. Ends in the water!

[Greenwood]

Remember. "She drowned!" (C)

[kenig1]

No matter how it sounds, but she drowned, for which reason this is another story.

[regulation 101]

To all competent submariners (not old farts ... to us admirals who climbed onto the screens) it soon became clear that the cause of the death of the boat was the explosion of rack torpedoes in the first compartment after the explosion of hydrogen peroxide of a practical torpedo in a torpedo tube. This was confirmed by the investigation. Before you write such comments, you need to be at least approximately up to date!

[inkass_98]

It turns out that the boat has boomed into some previously unknown rift, as is often the case.
Of course, it is necessary to find it, but it can be difficult to get from the bottom if there really is such a rift.
Yes, and the example of the Baltic is indicative: what the bottom has been investigated for, and the depths are small, but the dead ships and boats of WWII times that were previously missing are constantly found.

[Vadim Zhivov]

They are looking and also not everyone has found ... And the Baltic is shallow ...

[inkass_98]

So I am about the same. And here the area is known approximately, and the bottom topography is quite complicated.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: inkass_98

So I am about the same. And here the area is known approximately, and the bottom topography is quite complicated.

Ours just started to search. Before that, more Americans fussed there. Given the fact that recently, about a dozen bulk carriers and container ships have suffered from US Navy ships on the surface of the water, let alone the depths. Probably mattresses and rammed a submarine. Interestingly, over the past couple of weeks, the American wounded boat didn’t come to the docks to NATO docks in the NATO docks? And of course you need to find a boat in order to establish the cause of death.

[antivirus]

It turns out that the boat has boomed into some previously unknown rift, as is often the case.
-will make the currents near the Bering Strait on the island ??? ... mattresses

[Dashout]

Quote: antivirus

It turns out that the boat slipped into some previously unknown fault, as is often the case

How is it?

[Observer2014]

Meanwhile, in the Argentinean segment of social networks, they continue to discuss the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could become a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine.

Look for the boat until you find it. And everything will become clear. The depths are great. There will not be enough to “cut off” the first compartment of power. Anyway, there will be a good opportunity to find out why.

[rotmistr60]

Let's hope the boat is found. Although the search cannot continue indefinitely. Missing boats are found by chance 50-70 years after the end of the war (as an example).

[Jedi]

Gene, welcome!

Quote: rotmistr60

Let's hope the boat is found.

I think that they will find her only if someone not interested in revealing the true causes of the tragedy does not interfere.

Meanwhile, in the Argentinean segment of social networks, they continue to discuss the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could become a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine. Most often accusations are made to the UK

The fact that they blame Small Britain is understandable - long-time bosom enemies. And if we assume that the United States are involved?

[rotmistr60]

Greetings, Maxim!

... will not interfere

It happens that when they do not interfere and there is a great desire to find, but they cannot. And after N, the number of years was accidentally found. Fate and providence.

[Jedi]

A case is a manifestation of a certain pattern. I fully admit that the submarine is not looking where it is.

[rotmistr60]

In our world, everything is possible. Something towards evening attracted to philosophy.

[Jedi]

Gena, we have morning in Belarus. As I understand it, you live far from Moscow.

[rotmistr60]

The glorious city of Khabarovsk with the cool river Amur. In a word, the Far East, which seems to be finally remembered.

[Jedi]

Clear.

Quote: rotmistr60

In a word, the Far East, which seems to be finally remembered.

It is better to recall in a good way, and not like in the news about the four half-wits.

[Svarog51]

Max, Gena welcome you This is what I thought of. Everything can be very simple. The ocean and the storm, and the boat is not a battleship. Diesel should periodisky pop up to recharge the batteries. In the underwater position, the storm did not slip, and when they surfaced, they swept over or even turned upside down. The boat is just up to zooo tons and its dimensions are not large. As far as I understand, it is possible to resist the storm by having a course and walking across the waves. But only if they were able to start the diesel engine and set off? Even traffic under the RDP is not a guarantee in such a storm.

[rotmistr60]

Sergey, welcome! Now there are so many versions that you can already shoot a movie on any of them. We’ll wait and find out.

[Svarog51]

In previous articles I have already heard the version about the shooting, and it’s very interesting. Those four unknowns on the boat could be a film crew and were preparing to photograph the rescue of the boat from the inside by the American rescue complex. But something went completely wrong. Here is a version. Not mine, but a person who completed the rescue service and participated in real operations to rescue submarine crews.

[a.sirin]

And if Russia? What about China? What if Peru and Paraguay?

[Grigory_78]

There are so many Russian and Chinese submarines ... I'm already silent about the myriad of submarines of Peru and Paraguay ..

[Herculesic]

It seems that the designers took care of a lot, and buoys are thrown out in the event of an accident, and bathyscaphes or rescue chambers on boats put one jester, boats with crews die. Apparently, not soon we will be able to very quickly find the damaged submarines.

[Fedorov]

The sailors are honored and in peace. Like the Malaysian Boeing. Maybe in parallel space .. somewhere they are there? But you have to look.
Even if something ours is discovered there - figs We will know. On the boat-ship there are 2 rooms, where even the officer on duty is forbidden to enter - Secret and communications.

[Mar.Tirah]

Quote: Observer2014

Meanwhile, in the Argentinean segment of social networks, they continue to discuss the version that the San Juan diesel-electric submarine could become a victim of the use of weapons by a foreign submarine.

Look for the boat until you find it. And everything will become clear. The depths are great. There will not be enough to “cut off” the first compartment of power. Anyway, there will be a good opportunity to find out why.

We found another object in the area where the boat was lost. This time at a depth of 900 meters. And this is deep! Ours came and began to show results. Before that there were only fables. We will wait for details!

[Retvizan 8]

It is unlikely that this was the work of Great Britain; shortly before the disappearance, the captain reported on board problems.

[shinobi]

It seems to me that the boat did not die. The boat is small, 35 people. So it can be managed by people on 6-8.12-15, taking into account three shift duty. They could steal for contraband. Well, as a version.

[atesterev]

I recall the search and rise by the Yankees of a thermonuclear bomb, which they mined in Spain near the Mediterranean ...

[DEDPIHTO]

Our country is constantly trying to help everyone, and when we need help, only condolences express ... and then not all

[Sergey Rudov]

Why. "Kursk" helped to lift and would have done it faster if ours had not smoked. The impression that they were waiting for the Americans to wash off from there.

[melelele]

because there are vigorous reactors and it’s dangerous, just, not from kindness ...

[Terenin]

Information opponents use any event for their own purposes. The less reliable information comes from the scene, the more speculative schemes can be built on this.
Find a boat you need!

[technical]

And how did this magical apparatus look for Russian polar explorers near Spitsbergen? And why did the Mi-8 lift a Norwegian crane? after the tragedy with Kursk, we re-equipped all the rescue services of the Navy.

[Serzh_R]

I can’t believe that a warship can be lost, unless it wants to.

[greenii75]

Sailors, of course, pity ... the kingdom of heaven to them! Only one thought is creeping bad: even though here they did not confuse Russia ....

[gara1971]

but the version that the submarines were simply leaked to some third world state or to the same cartels for transporting drugs?!:) ..... if they so stubbornly DO NOT want to search and give this publicity :) rooms and lighthouses :) and it will calmly shove kakain and other muck from Russia to South America ... there are just torpedoes on it just in case :)

[Midshipman-53]

Wow! All sofa admirals trynd here. Submariners are silent. Because they know the price of such tryndzhe ... Eternal memory of the dead sailors!

[Old26]

Quote: gara1971

but the version that the submarines were simply leaked to some third world state or to the same cartels for transporting drugs?!:) ..... if they so stubbornly DO NOT want to search and give this publicity :) rooms and lighthouses :) and it will calmly shove kakain and other muck from Russia to South America ... there are just torpedoes on it just in case :)

Will drugs be transported from South America to Russia using fart steam? Well, nonsense, you don’t have to write and dance on the bones

[Captain Nemo]

Thank you for the free retelling of the news.