The military base on the island of Matua as a harbinger of the surrender of the Kuriles of Japan

Today we are witnessing how Japan is beginning to act actively in the framework of the project on sharing the disputed Kuril Islands. Against this background, the question arises of creating a naval base on the island of Matua. Experts believe that this may be a harbinger of the surrender of some of the islands of Japan.

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[Dart2027]

Surrender to Japan?
Uhh ... And yet again?

[solzh]

And in my opinion, the question should be asked this way: And which of the politicians, including those active, except for the liberals, would dare to give at least some part of Russia to foreigners?

[Tatyana]

Quote: solzh

And in my opinion the question should be asked like this: And which of the politicians, including the current, except the liberals, dare to give at least some part of Russia to foreigners?

You have a strange question! But is the power in the Russian Federation not entirely liberals now?

[solzh]

Well, so I ask, WHO ELSE EXCEPT LIBERALS, with the liberals it is clear that they are ready to give / sell all of Russia.

[Alber]

Quote: solzh

Well, so I ask, WHO ELSE EXCEPT LIBERALS, with the liberals it is clear that they are ready to give / sell all of Russia.

Can we trust our deputies, senators, officials and the government?
How, contrary to the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, was the country torn to pieces?

[isker]

for the USSR - hello to Brezhnev ... he (the Union) could no longer fall apart ...

[Dimmedroll]

It’s not strange, not really.

[the most important]

Quote: solzh

And in my opinion, the question should be asked this way: And which of the politicians, including those active, except for the liberals, would dare to give at least some part of Russia to foreigners?

Do you remember how the Dimon surrendered to Norway huge sea territories. The Duma voted "FOR". and no one asked the people.

[solzh]

I remember. Therefore, he asked the question, WHO else!

[Valery Saitov]

Since 1970, there was a territorial dispute about the border between states in the Barents Sea. Its essence boils down to the fact that Russia drew a border along the coast of Svalbard Island, Norway believed that the border should be equidistant from Svalbard on one side and Franz Josef Land and Novaya Zemlya Island on the other. As the states were on friendly terms, the border dispute seldom arose in any actions; occasionally, Russian fishing vessels were detained. However, in the future, the dispute escalated, since hydrocarbon reserves were discovered in the Barents Sea, including in the disputed waters.
In April 2010, the parties agreed that the new delimitation line would divide the disputed water into two equal parts

[Dimmedroll]

Well, not quite everything as you tell. The dispute is long-standing and it is resolved.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Anton Bolshakov

Take a chance and ask no one

Hmm, it’s like winter, and vegetables were flooded ... Not otherwise - hydropon.

[melelele]

change flag, nerosiyets

[kubanec]

and urks doku ask?

[silver169]

Change the Russian tricolor to your yellow-blue rag. Saucepan-headed pig!

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Some nonsense, again, absolutely Putin-guilty .....
I think the comrade is in the Communist Party .... why then, during the USSR, they didn’t create a Pacific Fleet Pacific Fleet Pacific Fleet on the Matua, again the enemies ....

[Tatyana]

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

Some nonsense, again, absolutely Putin-guilty .....
I think a friend is in the Communist Party ....,

Do you think Brzezinski is also a communist? Brzezinski said the same thing!
In addition, Brzezinski stood at the very origins of the American creation and socio-political design of this project for the dismemberment and geopolitical destruction of the USSR / Russia!

[Tatyana]

MOSKVITYANIN
Some nonsense, again, absolutely Putin-guilty .....

Well, of course, GDP, in your opinion, has nothing to do with it!
And why then the “market man” and IMF henchman Kudrin, the former Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation, who is already the chairman of the Council of the Center for Strategic Research, became in 2016 the deputy chairman of the Economic Council under the President of Russia GDP?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

These islands have been "given back" since 1991, and the 18 PULAD has been re-equipped and saturated with the islands by air defense systems, air defense systems, radar stations, airfields are being restored ...., new ones are being built ...

The very base in the future will play a great military strategic importance. There they will build an airfield, which theoretically can be used over time as a “jump airfield” for Russian Tu-22 M3 long-range bombers capable of carrying X-101 long-range cruise missiles. From this airdrome, they will be able to fly to areas of the Pacific remote from our coast in order to strike in the United States if necessary. That is, not only strategic bombers will be able to fulfill this goal, but also long-range bombers. This will greatly enhance the capabilities of the Russian strategic non-nuclear deterrence of the United States and NATO. It will also play an important role for the deployment of Russian nuclear missile carriers, since aviation based on it will be able to monitor American submarines in this region. Thus, additional protection for the Russian submarine base in Vilyuchensk will appear. And anti-submarine helicopters will be able to control the passage into the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, and minimize the possibility of penetration of NATO submarines into it.
Source: http://rusnext.ru/news/1467281355

I think Tatyana you are against the Soviet government and do not share the line of the Party and the Government .....

[Tatyana]

MOSKVITYANIN
I think Tatyana you are against the Soviet government ..

Well, you give, Sergey !!! And where did you see the Soviet power now ?! !!! She hasn’t been there since 1991! Capitalism in the country!

and do not share the line of the Party and the Government ...

Talk in riddles again. Which party? Communist or bourgeois? On the one hand, in Russia there is now a multi-party system! And on the other hand, who are you from the Soviet government now, as I understand it, what do you mean by the Communist Party in the current government of the Russian Federation?
In addition, the video for the article “Military base on the island of Matua as a harbinger of the surrender of the Kuril Islands of Japan” on “VO” expresses concern not so much about Turup as about Matua.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Tatiana

Capitalism in the country!

Dear Tatyana! in our country there is no Capitalism. I explain: capitalism is a political system in which conditions are created for the accumulation and multiplication of capital. Capital is including capital goods, extra-educated specialists and the education system, raw materials and energy. It all keeps dying

[Nikon]

Capitalism or socialism is determined not by the state of energy or finances, but by the attitude to ownership of the means of production, which, being in the hands of the ruling class, serve as an instrument of exploitation of workers, those people who do not have property, who live by selling their opportunity to work. "Extra-educated specialists" are also exploited, and not capital, in terms of income they belong to the so-called. "middle class", but can also be thrown into the trash for lack of demand.
So: we, by all indications, have oligarchic state-monopoly capitalism. This is Lenin, not me.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Nikon

Capitalism or socialism is determined not by the state of energy or finance, but by the attitude to ownership of the means of production

absolutely right !! it is on the means of production. And where is it, this is the very production ??? where is its development? only sites do not need to answer as an example, and look at the stores, tell me which? If there are no means of production, then what is capitalism?
the capital of specialists is their education. You are confused

[your1970]

Quote: aybolyt678

absolutely right !! it is on the means of production. And where is it, this is the very production ??? where is its development?

where is the development in Detroit?I hope you will not deny - what is capitalism in the USA? automotive America - where houses sell for $ 100 ......

[aybolyt678]

and how much are the houses in the silicone valley ??

[aybolyt678]

Detroit has specialists, design bureaus and equipment

[Nikon]

You are confused because you got into a sphere where there is not enough speculation and reasoning, in which everything has long been defined and painted. You should read Marx’s “Capital” and Lenin’s “Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Capitalism” before arguing. Books are sold in any bookstore and even on the Internet. Capitalism is and exists in the Russian Federation despite someone else's subjective opinions and judgments.

[Nikon]

Dear Tatyana! It is so erotic to talk about something without understanding the essence of the issue! Is not it? Have you been to the Kuril Islands? Admire from the ship? See on the map? Underline whatever applicable! Do you know the essence of the Kuril question from the documents? From the press? From conversations? Have you heard somewhere? Underline whatever applicable!
Judging by the fact that Iturup has become Turup for you, you have very deep knowledge of the subject matter. Go on! Everything is so with us through ... in the Russian Federation and it is being done that such "specialists" are engaged in solving state problems.
If you decide to just flood - this is a good reason.
You cannot give away territories if you feel the truth behind you, but the truth is not on Russia’s side on this issue ... That, apparently, is understood by our leadership. We now need to keep the disputed territories as long as possible, maybe by then Japan will become independent and independent.

[Evgeniy667b]

And you Nikon What do you have to do with the Kuril Islands? If so, it is very interesting in what form? I mean, where can our paths intersect?

[aybolyt678]

Not only territories .. By itself, joint use implies the free use (robbery) of the water area.

[Tatyana]

Dear Nikolai!
As for Iturup (“Turup”), I apologize for the fact that I did not notice this typo in myself! My laptop slows down a little, but still I sometimes trust him and do not double-check what I have written. But in vain! This is not the first time he has failed. I just can’t get ready to take it to the programmers - I need it all the time.

Territory should not be given if you feel the truth, but on this issue the truth is not on the side of Russia ..

But this is interesting! If possible, can you give a link to what your current point of view is based on? And then there are a lot of different opinions.

maybe by then Japan will become independent and independent.

This can happen only when the United States disappears. But there is China. So Russia cannot count on an independent and independent Japan!
I have never been to the Far East. My acquaintances were from there, in my opinion, from Sakhalin. People are very beautiful, good. They talked about what rich fishing places there and about nature told how everything grows richly there.

[Nikon]

Look at the history of the discovery and development of the Kuril Islands, the treaties that were concluded on the Kuril Islands with Japan and the Soviet-Japanese Declaration of 1956, the history of Japan's signing of surrender. Russia, as a rule, creates its own problems with its own hands, and then heroically overcomes them ...
As for Japan’s dependence on China, they have territorial claims, but China will never put the Japanese in such dependence as the United States. Give now even one islet of Japan - immediately get the US base under your nose and lose control of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Nikon

but on this issue the truth is not on the side of Russia ...

this is the result of the war ... you are wrong

[Krabik]

And where did you see the Soviet government until the age of 91?

Maybe Khrushchev or Gorbachev personified her?

[Vadim Zhivov]

But what are they all faceful. Or caps are so small .. And the possibilities are awesome ...

[Nikon]

Now the sailors' caps have become "shutsmanki", one laugh! Before: the bigger the boss, the bigger the "airfield" was ...

[antivirus]

Matua can be rebuilt for the complete closure of the perimeter of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk along the Kuril Islands. boats have a rest there and polygons inside

[andy.v.lee]

Matua is not quite suitable for a full-fledged naval base.
Iturup is more suitable.

Quote: MOSKVITYANIN

There they will build an airfield, which theoretically can be used over time as a “jumping airfield” for Russian long-range bombers TU-22 M3 capable of carrying long-range cruise missiles X-101.

Only Iturup.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

andy.v.lee
Matua is not quite suitable for a full-fledged naval base.

I agree. Just older comrades like this word more, t.s. sounds better than the PMTO and the temporary base of the detachment of combat and auxiliary vessels of the Pacific Fleet.
Under the naval base, too much infrastructure will have to be built, and the Japanese will sooner or later have OTRK on O. Hokkaido .....

[Nikon]

There is no way to study this issue additionally, Matua belongs to the Middle Kuril Islands, and Iturup belongs to the South, besides, the Japanese are claiming it and the airfield is already there, moreover, it is quite decent, which they will never build on Matua. It seems to me that another "big cut" is being prepared ...

[Chichikov]

Quote: Tatiana

And why then the "market" and the henchman of the IMF Kudrin ....

Tatyana! Probably because for the correct analysis and forecast, real experts "put on the skin of the enemy." A one-sided assessment, no matter how patriotic it looked, never led to the expected result!
But in general, strange conclusions in the article - the construction of a military base goes on Iturup. One of the islands disputed by the Japanese. Where is the preparation for surrender here?

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: Chichikov

A one-sided assessment, no matter how patriotic it looked, never led to the expected result!
But in general, strange conclusions in the article - the construction of a military base goes on Iturup. One of the islands disputed by the Japanese.

Yes, there is no assessment and conclusions, the "bearish corners" of Russia are reviving again, but it infuriates someone ...
The Russian Federation got out from under the dropper and moved to the general ward, when it leaves the hospital, it will be bad for someone ....
And the book of Brzezinski - "Big Chessboard" should be a table for our officials, so as not to relax ....
This video on VO only confirms the words of Brzezinski: ““ I believe in the prosperity of Russia after Putin. Russia is changing rapidly, maybe not even contrary to Putin, but thanks to Putin. The main thing that should be understood in Russia is that it needs prosperity and success rapprochement with the West, otherwise it will lose everything to China. Democratization is one of the main conditions for Russia's prosperity. And I think this will happen after Putin. You can consider this historical optimism, but I’m sure that the rapprochement between Russia and the West is inevitable, and as a result rapprochement Russia will be greatly benefited. "(07.12.2012)"
https://www.golos-ameriki.ru/a/zbigniew-brzezinsk
i-russia-us-putin / 1560153.html
He died, and his case lives among Russian "experts" ....
But despite this, Russia continues to develop even if you Tatyana don't like it ...

[Nikon]

I respect your opinion, but we began to "prosper" with Putin coming to power, and before that, when everything was open and the West was completely "dryuchy", we were stupidly robbed and not considered in the international arena, as if there was no Russian Federation.

[Evgeniy667b]

GDP is head over heels in a liberal system, and there is nothing angel to make of it. Can he really say something against Chubais, to whom he owes his position ?! There is still some illusory hope that he can move away from this dependence, but the facts speak otherwise!

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Evgeniy667b

Can he really say something against Chubais, to whom he owes his position ?!

when Ivan the Terrible relied on the boyars .. then he put them on a stake. Peter 1 did likewise. Putin has a quality that deserves respect - he keeps his word, now it works against him.

[Dimmedroll]

And if you look at the other hand, that some elites made a proposal in the form of Kudrin in GDP that he simply could not refuse. Or do you think Chubais is the same just sitting and spending lard. Politics is very dirty and statements like this one in the video can’t solve anything.

[racha4]

Maybe because there is margarine in your head?

[vylkan]

maybe knows a lot? Enemy - keep it close.

[Serzh]

Tatyana! With all due respect, but ...
Do you even understand the essence of that cesspool called government? I don’t blame and do not blame anyone - this is a question.
I think that not just not quite, but not at all. One question and one example for you:
1. Why, then, during the first term of GDP, one of the first proposals of which was to return the Central Bank of Russia to the jurisdiction of Russia was sent together?
2. An example is Maduro. Moldova. What is he deciding now? And he was elected, legitimate, so to speak. And why? - an attempt to answer this question will help you clarify a lot in the questions that you are asking here.
This is a system. And against the system to shove with a drill - you need to be an idiot.

[Nikon]

Therefore, they did not create that the approaches to this bumblebee are complete ..., the weather in 90% of cases does not contribute to landing, unloading, or simply anchoring. Under the USSR, the Council of Ministers moved brains, not ambitions, and saved national money.

[Fedorovich]

Is building a Russian base on a Russian island evidence of its surrender to Japan? O_o

[unignm]

which year they can’t drain. tired of the flies.

[Langf]

Drive these fussy little rags ** with their rags to their historical lands! They came to Hokkaido with fire and a sword - maybe it’s been hard for them to come back from a couple of centuries, but in the Kuril Islands, except in piracy and murder, they were never seen in anything smart, masterful, zealous. They are hiding behind the ayans - it has already been proven that there are zero kinships along, that these people have multiple Caucasoid signs, and not Korean-Chinese ones. Generally I do not understand the meaning and benefits of understanding by statesmen in the configuration of the bullshit of some kind of mare.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: Langf

Drive these fussy little ones to their historical lands

Well, it’s like I don’t care about fat now ... No, the question is still about the islands, but a little not the same, although there are also four And on the agenda there is no longer “joint economic activity”, but the very fact of the existence of “four ugly islands in the ocean” - Dear Chairman Kim Jong-un will not let you lie. Shinzo-san in the last couple of months, as if a hedgehog swallowed, yeah.

[Nikon]

All the Japanese islands were taken away by the Japanese (now the Japanese! Previously, as I believe, they were Chinese) from the indigenous people, on most of the islands they were Ainu. Japanese culture is a hybrid of Chinese and indigenous cultures of the Japanese islands, since the period of war and crowding out (annihilation) lasted about 1000 years. If you return to that period - you need to drive the Japanese from ALL the islands.

[SergF123]

I propose introducing amendments to the Constitution! The fact that the alienation of any territory of the Russian Federation can not be carried out by the current government, and it is possible only with a positive decision of the popular referendum! Otherwise, this gang will see through everything led by Pu

[melelele]

omg
What a Pu, contrary to his efforts to surrender the islands, military bases are being built there, by themselves, and what a bad ....
Glory to Putin, I’ll go for the first time in all time to vote and it’s for him that I’m proud of a strong Russia led by Putin !!!

[SergF123]

Honorable to be poor, but proud? well done. For example, I am for a strong Russia and for a worthy living people in it, but Pu has problems with the last thesis!

[Nikon]

Not owning complete information on any of the issues, the author is utter nonsense. Regarding the Kuril Islands: flirting with Japan will end, ultimately, with the transfer of the islands of Kunashir and Iturup (from the Greater Kuril Islands) and the islands of the Lesser Kuril Ridge (Habomai) with Shikotan, you must be an idiot not to understand this: why then all the fuss? Japanese donkeys to react to carrots? It would be possible to send everyone away for a long time, but Russia is the successor of the USSR, unfortunately, there is a memorandum of 1956. Apparently, everyone is waiting for a radical change in the political situation, since Japan is under US occupation. The transfer of the islands will now worsen Russia's strategic position in the Pacific.
Matua Island is a bumblebee in the Kuril ridge, where you can place air defense units, a small airfield, but not the connection of the Navy ships - there are no conditions for basing. For these purposes, it would be reasonable to use Broughton Bay on Simushir, where in the Soviet era the connection of the Navy ships was based, It is also possible to place an aerodrome for heavy aircraft.

[demel2]

Had a few times to be in Broughton horror movie.

[Jarserge]

Strange conclusions of strange experts. Their experts got divorced, and you’ll start to sort it out not as an expert, but as "ordinary untrained"

[NickiShnapi]

I'll just leave it here

[steelmaker]

If the rulers are doing everything right, then the welfare of the people should grow, if not then not. Medvedev gave Norway territory, Putin returned the Crimea, stood up for Syria, etc. Where and in what place did this wealth grow? When will it grow? Something is not visible to the people on the adopted budget for the clearance! If according to Kudrin, then our economic growth is planned at 1% per year until 2035. Since there is no gap in the economy, everything is possible, up to the surrender of territories, Alaska is an example of this.

[your1970]

Quote: steel maker

If the rulers are doing everything right, then the welfare of the people should grow, if not then not.

- exactly at the time of the greatest prosperity of the American people - the USA fought in Vietnam. The troops were withdrawn from Vietnam - there was an oil crisis - the American people died.
judging by your cue US rulers did everything right when they fought in Vietnam??

[Anchonsha]

As soon as the power passes to frank liberals such as dog-mongers in cooperation with Jewish entrepreneurs, owners of large companies, then the transfer of the islands to the Japanese will begin, and with it the loss of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as internal to Russia. Yes, there should be no economic activity on the islands of the Kuril Ridge with the participation of the Japanese. After all, it will be a quiet squeezing of Russians - entrepreneurs from the Kuril Islands. Ponder over the government before it's too late.

[Midshipman-53]

I don’t think that having returned Crimea Russia will give at least an inch of the Kuril Islands. This question is also finally closed. And the GDP has openly spoken about this more than once. No matter how hard the liberals tried, it’s too tough for them. Here it’s quite possible to get on the teeth!

[Levsha34]

Quote: Tatiana

My laptop slows down a little, but still I sometimes trust him and do not double-check what I have written. But in vain! This is not the first time he has failed. I just can’t get ready to take it to the programmers - I need it all the time.

You don’t need everyone to fit into one comb, programmers only write programs and do nothing else, private masters and service centers are involved in repairs, this is the same as calling the system unit of a computer a processor.

[Svarozhich]

Bullshit!

[M. Michelson]

Well, what is it?
Those who seriously believe that the “Kuril Question is closed once and for all” are simply zombified by propaganda.
It will still have to be decided. And we must prepare for this.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

Quote: M. Michelson

Well, what is it?
Those who seriously believe that the “Kuril Question is closed once and for all” are simply zombified by propaganda.
It will still have to be decided. And we must prepare for this.

The Russian Federation has no questions on this problem, questions, the Japanese have questions .... let them prepare ....
We insolent people took away from humanity the best 1 / 7 part of the land of the planet, if anyone has two lives, let them try to take it from us, in whole or in part ...
Those who have already tried smiling at us with a darned smile still ....
If we surrender at least one island to the Japanese, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will cease to be national (the UN recognized the Sea of ​​Okhotsk as completely Russian water), and will become international .....

[mervino2007]

Quote: Nikon

on this issue, the truth is not on the side of Russia ..

Still, what is the truth?
USSR victory over Japan in 1945. led to the fact that:
- the contract of 1875 was dropped. between RI and Japan on the exchange of southern Sakhalin to the Kuril Islands (from Kamchatka to Urup inclusively) and these Kuril Islands are returned,
- the Japanese-Russian Portsmouth Treaty of 1905 was dropped. and the loss of RI. South Sakhalin is back
- the Japanese-Russian Simodsky tract of 1855 was discarded, which actually fixed the RI-Japan border between the islands of Urup-Iturup; The Kuril Islands were taken: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan, the Habomai Islands.
The drawback of the current situation is that there is no peace treaty with Japan (did you somehow live without it since 1945?)
It is impossible to arithmetically compare the volumes of the treaties of 1905 and 1945: the lesson must be learned.
And yet: in addition to the above, in our common history there are many other, significant facts, the value of their meaning is interpreted in the opposite.

[mervino2007]

Quote: Nikon

on this issue, the truth is not on the side of Russia ...

Still, what is the truth?
USSR victory over Japan in 1945. led to the fact that:
- the contract of 1875 was dropped. between RI and Japan on the exchange of southern Sakhalin to the Kuril Islands (from Kamchatka to Urup inclusively) and these Kuril Islands are returned,
- the Japanese-Russian Portsmouth Treaty of 1905 was dropped. and the loss of RI. South Sakhalin is back
- the Japanese-Russian Simodsky tract of 1855 was discarded, which actually fixed the RI-Japan border between the islands of Urup-Iturup; The Kuril Islands were taken: Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan, the Habomai Islands.
The drawback of the current situation is that there is no peace treaty with Japan (did you somehow live without it since 1945?)
It is impossible to arithmetically compare the volumes of losses of 1905 and 1945: the lesson must be learned.
And yet: in addition to the above, in our common history there are many other, significant facts, the value of their meaning is interpreted in the opposite.

[Privilege]

They destroy their own Russia , a lot of people who do not care about their own people, the main thing is to make money.

[vylkan]

Yes, many reptiles (5% - the fifth column) But there are more people. Moreover, they are known. (See Mao's reign 55th 65th)

[Roman91]

I heard a ringing and do not know where he is. There is no connection. Yes, complete nonsense. Nobody is going to give the Kuril Islands to the Japanese, which has been repeatedly stated, both personally by Putin and the rest of the Russian authorities. The island of Matua belongs to Russia, and without its consent there can be no talk of any Japanese military base, but what is being jointly mastered is good, if civilian infrastructure is developed there, for example.

[zav]

It seems to me that you did not understand the essence. The base on Matua will be built to replace the base on the South Kuril Islands due to their uncertain (according to the views of liberals in the government) status.

[vylkan]

politicians-traders! but if among them there were those who even though small-small remember who they are! knows the story! remembers the roots! That chance is. Do not underestimate Russia. We do not have enough information. Do not run ahead of the engine.

[zav]

I thought the same thing as soon as they began to write about the construction of a base on Matua.

[VladGashek]

It is impossible to believe in the voluntary transfer of the South Kuril Islands. Arguing amateurishly, Russia is more likely to create an understudy, because the possibility of the capture of the Kuril Islands by superior forces (Japan, 7th Fleet, 8th US Army) cannot be ruled out in case of armed conflict. It is hardly worth counting on Russia's nuclear power, in the case of protecting 4 islands. So, no need to panic, we are preparing for all possible situations. This is what Matua is for.

[MOSKVITYANIN]

VladGashek 8 US Army

8-I PA NE USA is deployed first in South Korea, secondly it consists of the headquarters of the Army and one AP stationed there ....