Russian bathyscaphe surveyed an object similar to the submarine "San Juan"

The Russian deep-water vehicle "Panther Plus" examined one of the possible locations of the San Juan diesel-electric submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean and found that the detected object is not a submarine, reports RIA News message press service of the Argentine Navy.

Previously representative fleet Enrique Balbi said that the Argentinean research vessel Victor Angelescu discovered at a depth of 477 meters an object that could be a submarine.

We inform you that the contact made by 30 on November with the help of the multibeam probe of the vessel Victor Angelescu was visually examined by means of the Panther Plus, and this gave a negative result, since it is not a submarine,

says release.

Recall, the submarine "San Juan" has ceased to communicate on November 15 communications when moving from the naval base of Ushuaia to Mar del Plata. At the time of the last communication session, the crew of the submarine reported the accident. On board were 44 man. Representatives of the Argentine fleet also announced a single explosion, which may be associated with the disappearance of the submarine.

15 days after the disappearance of the submarine, it was announced that the rescue operation was terminated, while the search for the diesel-electric submarines continued.

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[Jedi]

The Russian deep-sea vehicle Panther Plus examined one of the possible locations of the San Juan diesel-electric submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean and found that the object found was not a submarine

It's a pity...

[Spartanez300]

The main thing is not to give up and continue the search.

[Primoos]

The ocean knows how to keep its secrets. Find a submarine will help the case, but maybe not. In any case, this is the mass grave of sailors. Bright memory to them. Their service is hard.

[Dashout]

Quote: Primoos

The ocean knows how to keep its secrets.

And what kind of object is there at a depth of 477 meters?

[verner1967]

Quote: Dashout

And what kind of object is there at a depth of 477 meters?

Russian bathyscaphe surveyed an object similar to the submarine "San Juan"

and found the bodies of 44 people similar to the crew of a missing submarine. Damn, well, the title

[ochakow703]

Damn, well, the continuation of the title ... Have at least the slightest compassion.

[verner1967]

Quote: ochakow703

Have at least the slightest compassion.

Yes, I feel sorry for them, but why make a sensation on a mountain of people, inventing such headlines

[Dead duck]

Quote: Primoos

The ocean knows how to keep its secrets. Find a submarine will help the case, or maybe not

Side-scan sonar has long been invented. The detail of the resulting image can be very high.

[Svarog51]

Vitaly, welcome About the sonar, I completely agree, only below Max I named the reason why the boat is searched "through the sleeves".

[Krasnoyarsk]

= discovered object is not a submarine = Here are the schemers! And what is this object?

[Jedi]

That's how they took and laid out that they had found the "golden" galleon of the times of the conquest.

[san4es]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

And what is this object

... It seems that some small vessel on the starboard side is lying (maybe a “fisherman”) ... The screw in the ring and the rudder feather are clearly visible

[SHURUM -BURUM]

Let's throw off the ruble for a new megapixel chip camera by Panther developers. From what soap dish do they have this video camera, shame on such photos consisting of pixels.

[Beby]

It’s not worth it to find fault in things that seem to understand a little:
Pay attention to the blurry numbers and other service information - in these systems, these image fragments are formed in pixels, without smoothing.
It’s more likely that the picture attached to the news is strongly enlarged fragment cut from some video clip.

[Svarog51]

Sanya, welcome You would still explain your findings on land then. Why can't a boat have this? You have amazing ability to find all the technical documentation, maybe there is a picture of the boat of this project? Although it will be clear what equipment our rescuers are looking for.

[san4es]

Quote: Svarog51

: You would still clarify your findings on land then. .

... Cool Seryoga .. I don’t have such abilities

[Okolotochny]

Sasha, good afternoon! Explain to the non-Navy - why the nose is so .... stupid. Resistance is greater.

[san4es]

Quote: Okolotochny

... why the nose is so dumb .... Resistance is greater.

..Alexey, I do not vkurse ... not a shipbuilder .. Probably from the sperm whale the form "took" ... We decided that this is not critical

Main characteristics of the boat: Surface displacement of 2140 tons, submarine 2336 tons. The length is the largest 65,93 meters, the hull width is the largest 8,36 meters, and the average draft is 7,34 meters. Surface speed 15 knots, underwater 25 knots. The maximum immersion depth of 300 meters. The crew of 37 people. Autonomy of swimming for 30 days.

[ISSIDOR]

To make noise while driving less.

[san4es]

Quote: ISSIDOR

To make noise while driving less.

... Most likely, to fit (in height) GAS and TA

[Svarog51]

Lesha, welcome Judging by the profile, this is some kind of truncated project. In the bow fairing of boats, usually a sonar is located, but here it is not visible. And the speed of such a submarine is not great, even in the surface position, and therefore did not bother with the form.

[Veteran]

Hello Sergey! Regarding the nasal extremity, this form is called the full shtenevy nasal extremity. I will support the opinion of san4es that it was made for the possibility of placing in one vertical row the upper HAS antenna (ShPS), 6-ti in two rows and the lower HAS antenna. In addition, this form has good seaworthiness in the water position. The speed of this submarine is decent - 15 knots. Over / 25 knot subs. (compare our pr. 636: 12 / 20 knots).
View picture / prod. the cut is correct, If you look closely, then in the cut in the nose you can see: 1 - the upper GA antenna (in a permeable superstructure), below (2) - TA, and at the very bottom (sector) - the lower GA antenna.
Not only the first photo of the submarine hull with the 8 th TA does not match, this is a boat of another project, which was previously part of the Argentine Navy.

[san4es]

Quote: Veteran

... Not only the first photo of the submarine hull with the 8th TA does not correspond, this is a boat of another project, which was previously part of the Argentine Navy.

... Here is a miserable ... Submarino Argentino
... all in the primer
... and assembled

[Veteran]

Yes that's it". Despite the single-hull structure of the boat, it nevertheless has a watertight superstructure on top of two-thirds of the hull, such as a part of the light hull, where the GAS antenna is located in the bow, and then, obviously, the VVD cylinders.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, I welcome The boat is not at all of "oceanic" size and diesel. As I understand it, it made an interbase transition, it did not have torpedoes on board. What was the point of driving her into an ocean storm? She had been under repair for six months before this and must pass some kind of after-repair test before the trip.

[Svarog51]

Yeah, thanks, Sanya. Now it’s at least clear what kind of equipment they are looking for. Yes, indeed, they didn’t find it. There now, probably, only our best efforts will be made to search. The rest indicate presence only, and search visibility.

[Krasnoyarsk]

[quote = san4es] [quote = Krasnoyarsk] And what is this object [/ quote]
... It seems that some small vessel on the starboard side is lying (maybe a “fisherman”) ... The screw in the ring and the rudder feather are clearly visible
Immediately obvious - the pros. As to me, wretched, this "photo", God forgive me, does not say anything.
And yet, thanks, sanchez.

[210ox]

What is the news? About the fact that the apparatus has investigated something, and this is not a submarine?

[Jedi]

Dim, the news that the Russian rescuers are working, and not wobbling like clothes on a rope.

[210ox]

It would be interesting to know that somebody else is still marking around ours?

Quote: Jedi

Dim, the news that the Russian rescuers are working, and not wobbling like clothes on a rope.

[Jedi]

Not sure, but the boltology of some countries around this tragedy is clearly not easy ...

[Svarog51]

Hi, Max No matter how valuable it sounds, but the sailors died due to the banal lack of money from Argentina for the rescue operation. There, without payment, no one will even lift a finger. If the boat is found and examined, it will be a great success. They won’t lift them now, mark my word. IMHO, of course. God rest the souls of Argentinean sailors.

[Jedi]

Great, Seryoga!

Quote: Svarog51

They won’t lift them now, mark my word.

I think so too, because someone really does not want to find out the true causes of the tragedy.

Quote: Svarog51

God rest the souls of Argentinean sailors.

I fully agree.

[Svarog51]

Here, Max, here you are right

someone really does not want to find out the true causes of the tragedy.

I have already voiced my version - either technical, or those four unknowns on board.

[Jedi]

Versions can be a lot, buddy, but one will be true. And not the fact that the truth will be conveyed to the general public.

[Svarog51]

No max. There are only two of them - technology or the human factor, and then derivatives of both in different combinations and taking into account environmental conditions. But you really need to find out the truth - this is experience (the son of difficult mistakes), which will save someone's life in the future.

[Jedi]

Quote: Svarog51

But the truth really needs to be found

Not for everyone. Truth is that woman whom very few want to see naked.

[Svarog51]

I agree, Max.

Truth is that woman whom very few want to see naked.

In the "natural" form, many are very afraid of it and are ready to hide it under a burqa.

[Jedi]

Quote: Svarog51

In the "natural" form, many are very afraid of it and are ready to hide it under a burqa.

You, as always, correctly understood where I am driving.

[K-50]

The Russian deep-sea vehicle Panther Plus examined one of the possible locations of the San Juan diesel-electric submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean and found that the object found was not a submarine

I hope that no submarine alien city discovered. And then about the Argentine submariners only relatives will then remember.
May the sea rest in peace.

[SCHMEL]

It may well be that

Russian deep-sea apparatus Panther Plus

for searches in the jungle little adapted, IMHO ...

[210ox]

Not that case ... Think what you write. The sailors were killed, not the drug dealers ..

Quote: schmel

It may well be that

Russian deep-sea apparatus Panther Plus

for searches in the jungle little adapted, IMHO ...

[SCHMEL]

[quote = 210qu] Not that case ... Think what you write. The sailors were killed, not the drug dealers ..
[/ quote] [/ quote]
What does the version with the surface capture of the submarine by the same drug dealers look unrealistic in those latitudes

[Svarog51]

In stormy weather and in the middle of the ocean? Yes underwater? Cool!

[SCHMEL]

In stormy weather and in the middle of the ocean? Yes in underwater position? Cool!

I do not pretend to be true The submarine could change the route, by prior conspiracy, a banal hijacking, why not consider it? And so you can search for three decades, spending considerable money, is it profitable for someone? ...

[Svarog51]

So I thought about the four "unidentified" persons on the boat, aren't they the reason for her death?

[aszzz888]

... but the fact remains - Panther Plus performs its functions - it finds and recognizes objects ... but at the bottom there are a lot of things that cannot be found right away ...

[Non liberoid Russian]

Latinos sit somewhere in the ocean on the island, thump, eat and use the native .... and the submarine was sold to the Papuans

[Jedi]

And not ashamed to mock the tragedy?

[water]

Now they’ll go, from “contact to“ contact. ”Until they find a boat, or examine everything. It’s more like“ Amber ”came, otherwise the guys will be completely tired.

[Veteran]

The title of the article sins with the inappropriate name of the Panther Plus apparatus, this is not a bathyscaphe, but an uninhabited deep-sea underwater vehicle. Bathyscaphe include our "Prize", "Russia", "Consul", "Peace".

[beeper]

As one of the reasons I assumed from the very beginning, but from the information that has already become known (to the "wide swath"), it was finally confirmed that the root cause of the accident of the Argentinean diesel-electric submarine was the emergency supply (due to a storm?) Of sea water to the battery compartment. Diving under water only aggravated the consequences of the accident ... This is if you follow the "Occam’s razor", and if you unjustifiably hit conspiracy theology (which I hope is not committed to)))), then even my imagination (and knowledge of the history of the development of underwater shipbuilding and the fleet))) will be enough for a thick folio of various versions- from very realistic to almost fantastic ... therefore I consider the “battery” version the most probable
With the current level of development of search technology and due perseverance, the wreckage of the submarine will certainly be found (maybe much closer to the shore than expected?), But this will not help the crew of the submarine, alas!
Eternal memory to the dead sailors!

[Vitas]

The most mapped planet Mars. But the Earth is lagging behind, the oceans are poorly understood.

[Veteran]

Svarog51Greetings, Seryozha! This boat has been classified as a high-speed ocean diesel submarine, and its data is relevant. The TR-1700 project is a contemporary of our 877 Aircraft Halibut, whose boats have a slightly larger displacement, but this is due to its two-hull structure (underwater VI: TR - 2264 t, 877 - 3075 t). For the rest of the TTX, the TR-1700 looks even better: autonomy of 70 days (Halibut - 45), cruising range above the airborne traffic radar - 12 thousand miles at 8 knots. (Halibut - 7 thousand miles on 7 knots), range underwater 460 miles on 6 knots (Halibut - 400 miles per 3 knots), speed 15 / 25 knots (Halibut - 11 / 18 knots), armament of 22 torpedoes (Halibut - 18). So she is completely oceanic DEPL.
By readiness for access to the sea-ocean after repair. Our boats must work out and pass the first 2 course tasks (L-1, L-2), after which they are allowed to make the transition. Probably a similar system with the Argentine Navy. As for a severe storm, the weather is poorly predictable, and a storm can catch a boat at the transition. But an operational ocean-borne diesel-electric submarine in the above-water position usually withstands, of course, with difficulties, of course, a storm of up to 8 points, air intake for diesel engines at high wave heights is carried out through the raised mine of the RPD. But if the wave height exceeds 10 m, it is better to dive and go through the stormy region in the underwater position, especially since the TR-1700 has a rather large economical boat under water - 6 knots. What "San Juan" did. But the state of AB turned out to be abnormal, and this, obviously, killed submariners.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, I welcome Why didn’t I receive a notification about your comment, just now I stumbled upon it. Thanks to you, it became clear what the submarines are looking for, thanks. I will erase the boat on your avatar too. It seems the same "starred" in the movie "Listen in the Compartments"? My classmate after graduating from VVMURE served on such a hydroacoustic at the Black Sea Fleet. Maybe they knew this - Khabazov Andrey Gennadevich?

[Veteran]

Hello, Seryozha! On my profile picture of our boat 1996, when she had already transferred from the Northern Fleet to the forces of the Baltic Fleet, and participated in the parade on the Neva in honor of the 300 anniversary of the Navy, then this picture was taken, it turned out beautifully. But even now our boat can be seen and visited on it, because it is the B-440 museum in Vytegra. I did a lot in terms of helping the museum with archival documents, compiling excursion texts, etc., received a letter of appreciation from the museum as a sign of gratitude. The staff is very friendly and hardworking, one might say, patriots of their field, oddly enough - mostly women.
Most likely, in the “Listen in Compartments”, the average submarine of the 613 project was filmed, since then it was the only project boats on which it was allowed to conduct open-air filming. Our crew was involved in the shooting of the film “Commander of the Happy Pike,” but they didn’t take off the officers, our boats too drove the 613 ave. Again, but our main ship base stood for several days with a German eagle with a swastika, depicting a huge military transport (a hint of “Gustlova”), which was hunted by “Pike”, and on the second PB a signal watch was carried out by equipped “Reichsmarines” with MP-38. After this horror, 3 of the day could not eliminate the traces of this “eagle” with a swastika, every morning time manifested again, to the fury of the esk command droy.
Name Khabazov A.G. unfamiliar to me, unfortunately. I graduated in 1970, graduations in those years were very large, issued by companies, only from our school went to the fleet in approx. 400 people a year, and even those who were on a course lower or higher are rare acquaintances. Of our company, 91 graduate is now alive 64, one third of them are health disabled.

[Svarog51]

Yuri Alekseevich, hello I understand that this "eagle" infuriated the command of the squadron?

In naval aviation, the same story happened with one IL-38. He portrayed the American Poseidon in the film Case in Squared 36-80. And there, too, after shooting, they could not paint over the US emblem.

[Veteran]

The first photo ("eagle") on the site did not appear, therefore, Seryozha, I can’t confirm it. The secret, of course, is simple, "enemy" symbolism was applied with dark colors ("eagle" - black), and its painting - light, spherical, and so it appeared. And in “The Case in 36-80 Square” portrayed “Orion” (there were no “Poseidons” then), our old and extremely harmful enemy in the middle ground in military service. We spotted this reptile at a search station for the operation of its radar, and went down.

[Svarog51]

It's strange, but it shows both pictures for me, well then I use a different method. And about the "Case in the square 36-80", you are certainly right. This I mixed up in my puffs:
- Navigator, do you see him onboard?
- Two triples.
“The Orion patrol squad.” Major Armstrong.
There, too, the board was painted over, and the emblem again appeared.