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Russian bathyscaphe surveyed an object similar to the submarine "San Juan"

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The Russian deep-water vehicle "Panther Plus" examined one of the possible locations of the San Juan diesel-electric submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean and found that the detected object is not a submarine, reports RIA News message press service of the Argentine Navy.




Previously representative fleet Enrique Balbi said that the Argentinean research vessel Victor Angelescu discovered at a depth of 477 meters an object that could be a submarine.

We inform you that the contact made by 30 on November with the help of the multibeam probe of the vessel Victor Angelescu was visually examined by means of the Panther Plus, and this gave a negative result, since it is not a submarine,
says release.

Russian bathyscaphe surveyed an object similar to the submarine "San Juan"


Recall, the submarine "San Juan" has ceased to communicate on November 15 communications when moving from the naval base of Ushuaia to Mar del Plata. At the time of the last communication session, the crew of the submarine reported the accident. On board were 44 man. Representatives of the Argentine fleet also announced a single explosion, which may be associated with the disappearance of the submarine.

15 days after the disappearance of the submarine, it was announced that the rescue operation was terminated, while the search for the diesel-electric submarines continued.
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  1. Jedi
    Jedi 3 December 2017 09: 44 New
    +5
    The Russian deep-sea vehicle Panther Plus examined one of the possible locations of the San Juan diesel-electric submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean and found that the object found was not a submarine

    It's a pity...
    1. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 3 December 2017 09: 46 New
      +2
      The main thing is not to give up and continue the search.
      1. Primoos
        Primoos 3 December 2017 09: 54 New
        +9
        The ocean knows how to keep its secrets. Find a submarine will help the case, but maybe not. In any case, this is the mass grave of sailors. Bright memory to them. Their service is hard.
        1. Dashout
          Dashout 3 December 2017 11: 11 New
          +7
          Quote: Primoos
          The ocean knows how to keep its secrets.

          And what kind of object is there at a depth of 477 meters?
          1. verner1967
            verner1967 3 December 2017 16: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: Dashout
            And what kind of object is there at a depth of 477 meters?

            Russian bathyscaphe surveyed an object similar to the submarine "San Juan"
            and found the bodies of 44 people similar to the crew of a missing submarine. Damn, well, the title
            1. ochakow703
              ochakow703 3 December 2017 21: 54 New
              +1
              Damn, well, the continuation of the title ... Have at least the slightest compassion.
              1. verner1967
                verner1967 4 December 2017 07: 20 New
                +1
                Quote: ochakow703
                Have at least the slightest compassion.

                Yes, I feel sorry for them, but why make a sensation on a mountain of people, inventing such headlines
        2. Dead duck
          Dead duck 3 December 2017 11: 28 New
          +6
          Quote: Primoos
          The ocean knows how to keep its secrets. Find a submarine will help the case, or maybe not

          Side-scan sonar has long been invented. The detail of the resulting image can be very high.
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 3 December 2017 13: 03 New
            +5
            Vitaly, welcome hi About the sonar, I completely agree, only below Max I named the reason why the boat is searched "through the sleeves".
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 3 December 2017 09: 59 New
      +5
      = discovered object is not a submarine = Here are the schemers! And what is this object?
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 3 December 2017 10: 03 New
        +6
        That's how they took and laid out that they had found the "golden" galleon of the times of the conquest. wink
      2. san4es
        san4es 3 December 2017 10: 32 New
        +8
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And what is this object

        ... It seems that some small vessel on the starboard side is lying (maybe a “fisherman”) ... The screw in the ring and the rudder feather are clearly visible recourse
        1. SHURUM -BURUM
          SHURUM -BURUM 3 December 2017 10: 45 New
          +4
          Let's throw off the ruble for a new megapixel chip camera by Panther developers. From what soap dish do they have this video camera, shame on such photos consisting of pixels.
          1. Beby
            Beby 3 December 2017 11: 50 New
            +6
            It’s not worth it to find fault in things that seem to understand a little:
            Pay attention to the blurry numbers and other service information - in these systems, these image fragments are formed in pixels, without smoothing.
            It’s more likely that the picture attached to the news is strongly enlarged fragment cut from some video clip.
        2. Svarog51
          Svarog51 3 December 2017 13: 09 New
          +8
          Sanya, welcome hi You would still explain your findings on land then. Why can't a boat have this? You have amazing ability to find all the technical documentation, maybe there is a picture of the boat of this project? Although it will be clear what equipment our rescuers are looking for.
          1. san4es
            san4es 3 December 2017 13: 54 New
            +6
            Quote: Svarog51
            : You would still clarify your findings on land then. .

            ... Cool Seryoga .. I don’t have such abilitieswink
            1. Okolotochny
              Okolotochny 3 December 2017 14: 07 New
              +7
              Sasha, good afternoon! Explain to the non-Navy - why the nose is so .... stupid. Resistance is greater.
              1. san4es
                san4es 3 December 2017 14: 20 New
                +3
                Quote: Okolotochny
                ... why the nose is so dumb .... Resistance is greater.

                hi ..Alexey, I do not vkurse request ... not a shipbuilder .. Probably from the sperm whale the form "took" ... We decided that this is not critical

                Main characteristics of the boat: Surface displacement of 2140 tons, submarine 2336 tons. The length is the largest 65,93 meters, the hull width is the largest 8,36 meters, and the average draft is 7,34 meters. Surface speed 15 knots, underwater 25 knots. The maximum immersion depth of 300 meters. The crew of 37 people. Autonomy of swimming for 30 days.
              2. ISSIDOR
                ISSIDOR 3 December 2017 14: 58 New
                +2
                To make noise while driving less.
                1. san4es
                  san4es 3 December 2017 16: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ISSIDOR
                  To make noise while driving less.

                  ... Most likely, to fit (in height) GAS and TA

              3. Svarog51
                Svarog51 3 December 2017 15: 53 New
                +6
                Lesha, welcome hi Judging by the profile, this is some kind of truncated project. In the bow fairing of boats, usually a sonar is located, but here it is not visible. And the speed of such a submarine is not great, even in the surface position, and therefore did not bother with the form.
                1. Veteran
                  Veteran 3 December 2017 16: 50 New
                  +9
                  Hello Sergey! hi Regarding the nasal extremity, this form is called the full shtenevy nasal extremity. I will support the opinion of san4es that it was made for the possibility of placing in one vertical row the upper HAS antenna (ShPS), 6-ti in two rows and the lower HAS antenna. In addition, this form has good seaworthiness in the water position. The speed of this submarine is decent - 15 knots. Over / 25 knot subs. (compare our pr. 636: 12 / 20 knots).
                  View picture / prod. the cut is correct, If you look closely, then in the cut in the nose you can see: 1 - the upper GA antenna (in a permeable superstructure), below (2) - TA, and at the very bottom (sector) - the lower GA antenna.
                  Not only the first photo of the submarine hull with the 8 th TA does not match, this is a boat of another project, which was previously part of the Argentine Navy.
                  1. san4es
                    san4es 3 December 2017 20: 18 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Veteran
                    ... Not only the first photo of the submarine hull with the 8th TA does not correspond, this is a boat of another project, which was previously part of the Argentine Navy.

                    ... Here is a miserable ... Submarino Argentino recourse
                    ... all in the primer
                    ... and assembled
                    1. Veteran
                      Veteran 3 December 2017 21: 49 New
                      +7
                      Yes that's it". Despite the single-hull structure of the boat, it nevertheless has a watertight superstructure on top of two-thirds of the hull, such as a part of the light hull, where the GAS antenna is located in the bow, and then, obviously, the VVD cylinders.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 4 December 2017 10: 57 New
                        +5
                        Yuri Alekseevich, I welcome hi The boat is not at all of "oceanic" size and diesel. As I understand it, it made an interbase transition, it did not have torpedoes on board. What was the point of driving her into an ocean storm? She had been under repair for six months before this and must pass some kind of after-repair test before the trip.
            2. Svarog51
              Svarog51 3 December 2017 15: 46 New
              +7
              Yeah, thanks, Sanya. Now it’s at least clear what kind of equipment they are looking for. good Yes, indeed, they didn’t find it. There now, probably, only our best efforts will be made to search. The rest indicate presence only, and search visibility. recourse
        3. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 3 December 2017 21: 33 New
          +2
          [quote = san4es] [quote = Krasnoyarsk] And what is this object [/ quote]
          ... It seems that some small vessel on the starboard side is lying (maybe a “fisherman”) ... The screw in the ring and the rudder feather are clearly visible recourse
          Immediately obvious - the pros. As to me, wretched, this "photo", God forgive me, does not say anything.
          And yet, thanks, sanchez.
  2. 210ox
    210ox 3 December 2017 09: 44 New
    +8
    What is the news? About the fact that the apparatus has investigated something, and this is not a submarine? what
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 3 December 2017 09: 51 New
      12
      Dim, the news that the Russian rescuers are working, and not wobbling like clothes on a rope.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 3 December 2017 10: 02 New
        +2
        It would be interesting to know that somebody else is still marking around ours?
        Quote: Jedi
        Dim, the news that the Russian rescuers are working, and not wobbling like clothes on a rope.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 3 December 2017 10: 08 New
          +5
          Not sure, but the boltology of some countries around this tragedy is clearly not easy ... negative
          1. Svarog51
            Svarog51 3 December 2017 12: 41 New
            +5
            Hi, Max hi No matter how valuable it sounds, but the sailors died due to the banal lack of money from Argentina for the rescue operation. There, without payment, no one will even lift a finger. If the boat is found and examined, it will be a great success. They won’t lift them now, mark my word. IMHO, of course. God rest the souls of Argentinean sailors.
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 3 December 2017 12: 45 New
              +3
              Great, Seryoga! hi
              Quote: Svarog51
              They won’t lift them now, mark my word.

              I think so too, because someone really does not want to find out the true causes of the tragedy.
              Quote: Svarog51
              God rest the souls of Argentinean sailors.

              I fully agree.
              1. Svarog51
                Svarog51 3 December 2017 12: 56 New
                +5
                Here, Max, here you are right
                someone really does not want to find out the true causes of the tragedy.

                I have already voiced my version - either technical, or those four unknowns on board. hi drinks
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 3 December 2017 13: 11 New
                  +3
                  Versions can be a lot, buddy, but one will be true. And not the fact that the truth will be conveyed to the general public. sad
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 3 December 2017 13: 24 New
                    +5
                    No max. There are only two of them - technology or the human factor, and then derivatives of both in different combinations and taking into account environmental conditions. But you really need to find out the truth - this is experience (the son of difficult mistakes), which will save someone's life in the future.
                    1. Jedi
                      Jedi 3 December 2017 13: 56 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      But the truth really needs to be found

                      Not for everyone. Truth is that woman whom very few want to see naked.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 3 December 2017 15: 59 New
                        +4
                        I agree, Max.
                        Truth is that woman whom very few want to see naked.

                        In the "natural" form, many are very afraid of it and are ready to hide it under a burqa.
                    2. Jedi
                      Jedi 3 December 2017 16: 04 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Svarog51
                      In the "natural" form, many are very afraid of it and are ready to hide it under a burqa.

                      You, as always, correctly understood where I am driving. drinks
  3. K-50
    K-50 3 December 2017 09: 55 New
    0
    The Russian deep-sea vehicle Panther Plus examined one of the possible locations of the San Juan diesel-electric submarine at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean and found that the object found was not a submarine

    I hope that no submarine alien city discovered. And then about the Argentine submariners only relatives will then remember.
    May the sea rest in peace.
  4. SCHMEL
    SCHMEL 3 December 2017 09: 59 New
    +2
    It may well be that
    Russian deep-sea apparatus Panther Plus
    for searches in the jungle sad little adapted, IMHO ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 3 December 2017 10: 03 New
      10
      Not that case ... Think what you write. The sailors were killed, not the drug dealers .. fool
      Quote: schmel
      It may well be that
      Russian deep-sea apparatus Panther Plus
      for searches in the jungle sad little adapted, IMHO ...
      1. SCHMEL
        SCHMEL 3 December 2017 10: 43 New
        +1
        [quote = 210qu] Not that case ... Think what you write. The sailors were killed, not the drug dealers .. fool
        [/ quote] [/ quote]
        What does the version with the surface capture of the submarine by the same drug dealers look unrealistic in those latitudes no
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 3 December 2017 13: 12 New
          +6
          In stormy weather and in the middle of the ocean? Yes underwater? Cool! negative
          1. SCHMEL
            SCHMEL 3 December 2017 15: 15 New
            +1
            In stormy weather and in the middle of the ocean? Yes in underwater position? Cool! negative
            I do not pretend to be true no The submarine could change the route, by prior conspiracy, a banal hijacking, why not consider it? And so you can search for three decades, spending considerable money, is it profitable for someone? ...
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 3 December 2017 16: 01 New
              +5
              So I thought about the four "unidentified" persons on the boat, aren't they the reason for her death?
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 December 2017 10: 00 New
    +3
    ... but the fact remains - Panther Plus performs its functions - it finds and recognizes objects ... but at the bottom there are a lot of things that cannot be found right away ...
  6. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 3 December 2017 10: 07 New
    +1
    Latinos sit somewhere in the ocean on the island, thump, eat and use the native .... and the submarine was sold to the Papuans
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 3 December 2017 10: 19 New
      10
      And not ashamed to mock the tragedy? sad
  7. water
    water 3 December 2017 12: 49 New
    +2
    Now they’ll go, from “contact to“ contact. ”Until they find a boat, or examine everything. It’s more like“ Amber ”came, otherwise the guys will be completely tired.
  8. Veteran
    Veteran 3 December 2017 13: 09 New
    +7
    The title of the article sins with the inappropriate name of the Panther Plus apparatus, this is not a bathyscaphe, but an uninhabited deep-sea underwater vehicle. Bathyscaphe include our "Prize", "Russia", "Consul", "Peace".
  9. beeper
    beeper 3 December 2017 15: 33 New
    +2
    As one of the reasons I assumed from the very beginning, but from the information that has already become known (to the "wide swath"), it was finally confirmed that the root cause of the accident of the Argentinean diesel-electric submarine was the emergency supply (due to a storm?) Of sea water to the battery compartment. Diving under water only aggravated the consequences of the accident ... request This is if you follow the "Occam’s razor", and if you unjustifiably hit conspiracy theology (which I hope is not committed to)))), then even my imagination (and knowledge of the history of the development of underwater shipbuilding and the fleet))) will be enough for a thick folio of various versions- from very realistic to almost fantastic smile ... therefore I consider the “battery” version the most probable winked
    With the current level of development of search technology and due perseverance, the wreckage of the submarine will certainly be found (maybe much closer to the shore than expected?), But this will not help the crew of the submarine, alas!
    Eternal memory to the dead sailors!
    hi
  10. Vitas
    Vitas 3 December 2017 17: 30 New
    +1
    The most mapped planet Mars. But the Earth is lagging behind, the oceans are poorly understood.
  11. Veteran
    Veteran 4 December 2017 14: 37 New
    +7
    Svarog51Greetings, Seryozha! hi This boat has been classified as a high-speed ocean diesel submarine, and its data is relevant. The TR-1700 project is a contemporary of our 877 Aircraft Halibut, whose boats have a slightly larger displacement, but this is due to its two-hull structure (underwater VI: TR - 2264 t, 877 - 3075 t). For the rest of the TTX, the TR-1700 looks even better: autonomy of 70 days (Halibut - 45), cruising range above the airborne traffic radar - 12 thousand miles at 8 knots. (Halibut - 7 thousand miles on 7 knots), range underwater 460 miles on 6 knots (Halibut - 400 miles per 3 knots), speed 15 / 25 knots (Halibut - 11 / 18 knots), armament of 22 torpedoes (Halibut - 18). So she is completely oceanic DEPL.
    By readiness for access to the sea-ocean after repair. Our boats must work out and pass the first 2 course tasks (L-1, L-2), after which they are allowed to make the transition. Probably a similar system with the Argentine Navy. As for a severe storm, the weather is poorly predictable, and a storm can catch a boat at the transition. But an operational ocean-borne diesel-electric submarine in the above-water position usually withstands, of course, with difficulties, of course, a storm of up to 8 points, air intake for diesel engines at high wave heights is carried out through the raised mine of the RPD. But if the wave height exceeds 10 m, it is better to dive and go through the stormy region in the underwater position, especially since the TR-1700 has a rather large economical boat under water - 6 knots. What "San Juan" did. But the state of AB turned out to be abnormal, and this, obviously, killed submariners.
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 5 December 2017 13: 48 New
      +5
      Yuri Alekseevich, I welcome hi Why didn’t I receive a notification about your comment, just now I stumbled upon it. Thanks to you, it became clear what the submarines are looking for, thanks. I will erase the boat on your avatar too. It seems the same "starred" in the movie "Listen in the Compartments"? My classmate after graduating from VVMURE served on such a hydroacoustic at the Black Sea Fleet. Maybe they knew this - Khabazov Andrey Gennadevich?
      1. Veteran
        Veteran 5 December 2017 21: 23 New
        +8
        Hello, Seryozha! hi On my profile picture of our boat 1996, when she had already transferred from the Northern Fleet to the forces of the Baltic Fleet, and participated in the parade on the Neva in honor of the 300 anniversary of the Navy, then this picture was taken, it turned out beautifully. But even now our boat can be seen and visited on it, because it is the B-440 museum in Vytegra. I did a lot in terms of helping the museum with archival documents, compiling excursion texts, etc., received a letter of appreciation from the museum as a sign of gratitude. The staff is very friendly and hardworking, one might say, patriots of their field, oddly enough - mostly women.
        Most likely, in the “Listen in Compartments”, the average submarine of the 613 project was filmed, since then it was the only project boats on which it was allowed to conduct open-air filming. Our crew was involved in the shooting of the film “Commander of the Happy Pike,” but they didn’t take off the officers, our boats too drove the 613 ave. Again, but our main ship base stood for several days with a German eagle with a swastika, depicting a huge military transport (a hint of “Gustlova”), which was hunted by “Pike”, and on the second PB a signal watch was carried out by equipped “Reichsmarines” with MP-38. After this horror, 3 of the day could not eliminate the traces of this “eagle” with a swastika, every morning time manifested again, to the fury of the esk command droy.
        Name Khabazov A.G. unfamiliar to me, unfortunately. I graduated in 1970, graduations in those years were very large, issued by companies, only from our school went to the fleet in approx. 400 people a year, and even those who were on a course lower or higher are rare acquaintances. Of our company, 91 graduate is now alive 64, one third of them are health disabled.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 6 December 2017 06: 46 New
          +6
          Yuri Alekseevich, hello hi I understand that this "eagle" infuriated the command of the squadron?

          In naval aviation, the same story happened with one IL-38. He portrayed the American Poseidon in the film Case in Squared 36-80. And there, too, after shooting, they could not paint over the US emblem.
          1. Veteran
            Veteran 7 December 2017 00: 00 New
            +6
            The first photo ("eagle") on the site did not appear, therefore, Seryozha, I can’t confirm it. The secret, of course, is simple, "enemy" symbolism was applied with dark colors ("eagle" - black), and its painting - light, spherical, and so it appeared. And in “The Case in 36-80 Square” portrayed “Orion” (there were no “Poseidons” then), our old and extremely harmful enemy in the middle ground in military service. We spotted this reptile at a search station for the operation of its radar, and went down.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 7 December 2017 05: 35 New
              +5
              It's strange, but it shows both pictures for me, well then I use a different method. And about the "Case in the square 36-80", you are certainly right. This I mixed up in my puffs:
              - Navigator, do you see him onboard?
              - Two triples.
              “The Orion patrol squad.” Major Armstrong.
              There, too, the board was painted over, and the emblem again appeared.