Military Review

Turkey wants to shift the blame for the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict to Russia

180
The Azerbaijani press publishes a statement by the Turkish political scientist Ferit Timur, who positions himself as an expert on Eurasia. Portal Vesti.az in its publication quotes F.Timur, in which he declares that “the mess” of the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh was “brewed by Russia”. According to the Turkish political scientist, “for Russian geostrategic purposes - the conflict in the region - to keep the influence”.


From the material Azerbaijani media:
It is important to emphasize that the Russian geo-strategy adopted the policy of Turkey in the Caucasus and Central Asia from 1991 to the present, and at the same time, mostly oriented to the West, as an effort to undermine Russia's influence in the region. Official Moscow, fearing a weakening of its influence in the region, has brewed porridge in Karabakh. As long as Moscow does not form its own vision of a common future with Turkey in the Eurasian space, until the perceived threat of national security perceived by Moscow is eliminated, this seems real. It is very likely that under such conditions the parties will only exchange ideas on resolving the Karabakh issue during communication at the diplomatic level.


Turkey wants to shift the blame for the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict to Russia


So the Turkish expert F.Timur commented on the recent negotiations on the Karabakh issue between the leaders of Russia and Turkey in Sochi.

If Turkey really reflects in such categories as the one proposed by the aforementioned political scientist, then it can be stated that Ankara is trying to shift the blame for the many years of Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict to Russia alone. Turkish political scientists are silent about the fact of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey in 1915 and subsequent events in order to carry out attempts at information pressure on Russia in the Caucasus region.

Recall that the point of view voiced by F.Timur fits in with Erdogan’s statement when he expressed the words about Russia's ability to resolve the Karabakh conflict. And to whom Turkey is going to shift the blame in its own conflict with the Kurdish population?
Photos used:
Facebook
180 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 December 2017 12: 14 New
    +8
    Another reason to regret saving Erdogad from the coup! sad The Turks go too far and it will break at some point, and at least one end will hit them in the head! And it’s better that both, and stronger!
    1. Logall
      Logall 2 December 2017 12: 18 New
      13
      This statement is tantamount to saying that - ““ It is very beneficial for me when the neighbor's trash burns ... Especially because my children breathe this smoke ...! ''
      1. Going
        Going 2 December 2017 12: 22 New
        16
        Alexander, good afternoon! hi Erdogan is more profitable for us than the US puppet, which could replace him.
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 2 December 2017 12: 55 New
          10
          Quote: Going
          Alexander, good afternoon! hi Erdogan is more profitable for us than a US puppet who could replace him.

          Can I talk about the benefits in more detail? My opinion is if the Turks are better than the enemies than ,,, friends ,,,,. To have such friends, enemies is not necessary.
          1. Going
            Going 2 December 2017 12: 58 New
            12
            You can read our colleagues:


            Quote: SkepticCynic
            Was there a choice? A new shah would fit the NATO fleet and close the strait and air corridors. There would be a kaput to the Syrian express. Even the Turks could more radically intervene in the internal conflict of the neighboring state in order to tear themselves a large piece of Syria. No present is the smallest of evils possible, and he perfectly understands this. Russia and Turkey have different interests. In fact, Erdogan makes concessions only for economic reasons, a great interest in gas and the Russian market is affecting.



            Quote: Going
            I can add that it would blaze in Armenia to the fullest, through Karabakh naturally.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 2 December 2017 13: 06 New
              +4
              Turkey has always been under Anglo-Saxons and against Russia. This is not to be forgotten!
              This Turkish political scientist, Ferit Timur, judges the Russian market with explicit terms of the “American democracy” of London and the Collective West on the principle of “You have no democracy! So, we will fly to you!”
              Surely this Timur - a Turkish political scientist - studied in some kind of "London"!
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 2 December 2017 18: 11 New
                +3
                Erdogan, of course, is the enemy of Russia.
                But he is not a friend to the United States. Therefore, we saved him from the coup. An American puppet would be worse.
                Well, this statement ... It is surprising that he has not yet shifted responsibility to Russia for the Turkish-Kurdish conflict. Moreover, the USSR and Russia really supported the Kurds.
                1. Karen
                  Karen 2 December 2017 19: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Shurik70

                  Well, this statement ... It is surprising that he has not yet shifted responsibility to Russia for the Turkish-Kurdish conflict. Moreover, the USSR and Russia really supported the Kurds.

                  Well, then you have to note how your Primakov surrendered Ocalan to the Turks ...
            2. Pirogov
              Pirogov 2 December 2017 13: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: Going
              You can read our colleagues:

              In Turkey, the sultans, the shahs in Iran. All that colleagues have written and will be so when it becomes profitable for the Turks, but for now they are trading with the United States, and Russia helps them in this. I repeat if the Turks are not friends of enemies.
              1. Mazandaran
                Mazandaran 2 December 2017 13: 55 New
                +1
                Turks are not friends, but partners, and partners do not have to be friends !!! And then Putin clearly took Perdogan’s gills, that he must follow the lead! Therefore, Perdogan will not twitch! And if he twitches, he will be replaced the next day! !!
          2. The comment was deleted.
          3. vovanpain
            vovanpain 2 December 2017 13: 03 New
            +6
            Quote: Pirogov
            Can I talk about the benefits in more detail? My opinion is if the Turks are better than the enemies than ,,, friends ,,,,. To have such friends, enemies is not necessary.

            Andrew! hi Please explain to me, having in the enemies of the Turks how it is more convenient to supply the group in Syria with sea transport, through the Indian Ocean or around the whole of Europe. By air through Iran, Iraq is only a drop in the sea of ​​the Syrian express. request in one you are right, the Turks are not friends and have never been friends, travel companions rather. hi
            1. Going
              Going 2 December 2017 13: 10 New
              +8
              Good afternoon Vlad! hi , therefore, we put up with it, we even play friendships and Erdogan also understands this.
              1. vovanpain
                vovanpain 2 December 2017 13: 14 New
                +5
                Quote: Going
                Good afternoon Vlad! hi , therefore, we put up with it, we even play friendships and Erdogan also understands this.

                Hello Victor! drinks hi And he takes advantage of this, but he can’t get away from Russia and the USA either, so he spins around like a frying pan. drinks hi
            2. Pirogov
              Pirogov 2 December 2017 19: 03 New
              +1
              Quote: vovanpain
              Andrew! hi Please explain to me, having in the enemies of the Turks how it is more convenient to supply the group in Syria with sea transport, through the Indian Ocean or around the whole of Europe. By air through Iran, Iraq is only a drop in the sea of ​​the Syrian express. request in one you are right, the Turks are not friends and have never been friends, travel companions soon.

              Good evening . It is not so easy to close the straits, although I agree it is possible. I can agree with you while we can dance Syria and tolerate the Turks in fellow travelers.
        2. garnik
          garnik 2 December 2017 14: 04 New
          +2
          Yes, at the moment, Turkey is beneficial, just as Russia is for the Turks. Only question. Who will be the final beneficiary? Those. who first breaks all agreements, having achieved their goals.
        3. Lelek
          Lelek 2 December 2017 17: 31 New
          +2
          Quote: Going
          Erdogan is more profitable for us than the US puppet, which could replace him.


          hi . Well, the benefit of Erdogan for Russia is doubtful. What can be the benefit of a weather vane? Only one - an indication of the direction of the wind. And if this weather vane rotates 360 degrees in violation of its purpose, when he wants, then what the hell is it for? The desire to "sultanate" in Erdogan is above all, and Russia for him is just a source of raw materials (that is, money) and an argument in the process of bargaining with the USA. It is dangerous to turn your back on such a "partner".
          1. Going
            Going 2 December 2017 18: 25 New
            +9
            hi The only benefit is that he did not surrender Turkey to the USA.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 2 December 2017 13: 29 New
        +7
        In fact, this is an open secret. The conflict arose because of the territorial claims of Armenia against Azerbaijan. The blame here is without a doubt on the then leaders of the Union that they did not stop in time these ambitions of separatism. In addition, the names of these provocateurs were widely known. But they did not stop. And then, as expected, a war broke out. But the authorities of the new Russia, led by Yeltsin, also did not differ in high intelligence. They bet on the Armenians in this conflict. Up to the direct participation of Russian troops in hostilities. Here it will not be screwed. The fact of participation, to put it mildly, in the Khojaly genocide of the Russian 366th regiment has long been proven. At that time I myself, as a young lieutenant in the medical service of the Azerbaijani army, personally saw captured Russian paratroopers who were caught while mining a bridge on the way of the movement of our troops. And these were not mercenaries. of which there were many, too. Namely, the cadre military of the Russian army. And in the zero years, Putin came to power. But unfortunately. the course to support the aggressors in our land continued. This applies to the free transfer of weapons and equipment to Armenians, and to comprehensive diplomatic support at all levels. So saying "the key to resolving the Karabakh conflict lies in the pocket of Moscow" - no one is discovering America. This is the case. Our country asks one thing - that we were left alone with the aggressors. That's all. Leave the aggressors without their support - and everything will settle down very soon. And literally everyone in the region knows this. Including the leaders of Russia. But it is obvious that so far relics of Yeltsin’s policy have ruled the ball, taking the support of Armenia at any cost as a basis. And until representatives of a truly new Russian diplomacy prevail. the conflict will smolder. And the war will definitely be. No one doubts this. But whether Russia needs this and whether Russia’s support for Armenia is so important to the detriment of relations with Azerbaijan is the question. to which the leaders of Russia should give an answer.
        1. garnik
          garnik 2 December 2017 14: 14 New
          +1
          Shah Ismail.
          There is a simple saying, "Tell me who your friend is, I will say who you are." Emperors of Russia dealt with the support of Armenia, and the rest with the collapse of the Empire.
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 2 December 2017 23: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: garnik
            Shah Ismail.
            There is a simple saying, "Tell me who your friend is, I will say who you are." Emperors of Russia dealt with the support of Armenia, and the rest with the collapse of the Empire.

            Which emperor was engaged in supporting Armenia?
            1. garnik
              garnik 3 December 2017 08: 31 New
              0
              There are such people, the Armenians. Which, in whose territory they are autochthonous, are called ARMENIA.

              From the appeal of Emperor Alexander I of September 15, 1813: “To all the loyal Armenian people and to all the classes making up this, our imperial mercy. <...> They distinguished themselves by their approximate constancy and devotion, and amidst vague circumstances they remained firm and unshakable in their zeal for us and our Throne, sacrificing their property and all means and life itself. ”
              1. co-creator
                co-creator 3 December 2017 10: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: garnik
                From the appeal of Emperor Alexander I of September 15, 1813:

                Well, then what? How did the kings support Armenia? The prohibition of Armenian schools and the restriction of the Armenian church? Maybe because they fired all the Armenians in the Caucasus from official positions? Specifically, what?
                Quote: garnik
                There are such people, the Armenians. Which, in whose territory they are autochthonous, are called ARMENIA.

                I know the Armenians. When RI conquered the Caucasus, I did not see any Armenian state on any map.
                1. garnik
                  garnik 3 December 2017 11: 25 New
                  0
                  Provocative actions against the Armenians were carried out mainly under Alexander3 in the South Caucasus, where the Armenians had a huge influence. To prevent possible separate movements from the Armenians. Probably someone thought the Emperor. Baku oil was 70% in the hands of the Armenians and the Baku-Novorossiysk oil pipeline was built by Armenian oil producers. I think there were people around the Emperor who wanted to appropriate all this. Dear historian Shirokorad did not consider Alexander 3 as a brilliant ruler. And the first brick knocked out of the "foundation" of the Russian Empire was during the reign of Alexander 3.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 3 December 2017 12: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: garnik
                    Provocative actions against Armenians were conducted mainly under Alexander3 in the South Caucasus

                    They found out that Alexander III did not support Armenia. Who then supported, maybe Nicholas II?
                    1. garnik
                      garnik 3 December 2017 15: 51 New
                      0
                      For your information, Nicholas 2 was on the territory of Armenia, after protests from the Armenian side (wise men wanted to subordinate Armenia to Georgia, figuratively speaking.), In order to resolve the problem on the spot.
                      1. co-creator
                        co-creator 3 December 2017 16: 15 New
                        +1
                        Quote: garnik
                        For your information, Nicholas 2 was on the territory of Armenia, after protests from the Armenian side (wise men wanted to subordinate Armenia to Georgia, figuratively speaking.), In order to resolve the problem on the spot.

                        Do you understand what nonsense you wrote? In the Republic of Ingushetia there were no Georgia, Armenia, Tatarstan and other s and s. How can one attach that which is not to that which is also not? But under Nicholas II, the Armenians were denied settlement of Kars, moreover, a program was adopted to settle these lands with Cossacks and Old Believers. The same was supposed to be done on other lands (Erzurum) that were supposed to move from Turkey to the Republic of Ingushetia after the WWII.
              2. Nemesis
                Nemesis 3 December 2017 11: 59 New
                +1
                Read about the terrorist attack in the Moscow metro during Brezhnev’s time and who committed it ... Do not praise yourself like that ...
                1. garnik
                  garnik 3 December 2017 15: 56 New
                  0
                  Yes, no one praises himself. In every nation there are scoundrels and normal people. In percentage terms, all nations have approximately the same.
                  At the expense of the attack, not a single Armenian believes, there were no reasons. Read on Wiki, maybe everything will fall into place.
                  1. Nemesis
                    Nemesis 3 December 2017 19: 25 New
                    +1
                    A normal person does not have and cannot have reasons to blow up civilians in the metro ... Only a wild animal can do this, and mad ... Those who personally attempted Brezhnev, or some other ruler, can speak about the reasons .... And I don’t agree on anything else ..... The T-34 tank was created by the Russian Morozov and Koshkin ... AN planes were created by the Russian Antonov and Izotov ... The best machine guns were created by the Russian Kalashnikov and Shpagin ........ We have something to be proud of ... One of the best art galleries in the world was created by the Russian Tretyakov ...... And there are those who have nothing to be proud of, because they honor the bandits who robbed trains like Shamil and served Hitler and Karl-12 like Bandera and Mazepa ...
        2. Krabik
          Krabik 2 December 2017 14: 24 New
          +5
          I want to notice one important point: Azerbaijan was created in Moscow and its territory completely belonged to Moscow and we tailored that region to our convenience.

          So, during the Soviet era, Karabakh was handed over to Armenia with what the leaders of the Republic of Azerbaijan did not agree.
          It is their right to be unhappy, but no more.

          After the weakening of Moscow and the loss of control, this mess began, but not only you were bad!

          There was a mess around the entire former USSR, but you were drawn to a centennial showdown with the Armenians because of a far-fetched pretext in the hope of getting buns from Turkey, Iran or the USA.

          So you get these buns so far;)

          And so that you understand that you are VERY lucky to see what happens in Libya, Syria and Yugoslavia.

          They, too, were not choosy and received buns, but unlike you they did not have a free umbrella from the Russian Federation.
        3. Alexander 3
          Alexander 3 2 December 2017 14: 34 New
          +3
          Regarding the outbreak of war, I want to ask where the conflict started. And it started not in Armenia but in Azerbaijan with the killing of Armenians in Sumgait. Our soldiers guarded their families with machine guns at military bases, and rescued Armenians from Azerbaijan were transported by our sides. Wines of Russia in what saved the Armenians from scumbags?
          1. Yujanin.
            Yujanin. 2 December 2017 15: 33 New
            +3
            Regarding the outbreak of war, I want to ask where the conflict began.

            There is such a city of Kafan in the Caucasus, in the south of modern Armenia.
          2. alexsipin
            alexsipin 2 December 2017 22: 34 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander 3
            the conflict began.And it began not in Armenia but in Azerbaijan with the killing of Armenians in Sumgait

            Before that, there were pogroms of Yeraz in Yerevan.
            1. Karen
              Karen 2 December 2017 22: 59 New
              +1
              Will there be an explanation for the dates?
            2. Sparkling
              Sparkling wine - Dry 4 December 2017 12: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: alexsipin
              Before that, there were pogroms of Yeraz in Yerevan.

              Do you yourself understand what you wrote? What is or who is an eraser?
              Well, at the expense of the pogroms in Yerevan, is there any evidence, well, how many people died there, how many were injured?
              1. alexsipin
                alexsipin 4 December 2017 19: 49 New
                0
                Quote: Brut
                Do you yourself understand what you wrote? What is or who is an eraser?

                You don’t have to pretend, you might think that you are a resident of Armenia, that the Yerazi are Yerevan Azerbaijanis.
                1. Sparkling
                  Sparkling wine - Dry 5 December 2017 11: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: alexsipin
                  You don’t have to pretend, you might think that you are a resident of Armenia, that the Yerazi are Yerevan Azerbaijanis.

                  Imagine for 40 years never heard such an expression. And I, like all residents of Armenia, we call Azerbaijanis Turks, so it’s shorter and more meaningful, they themselves say: "One nation, two countries", we agree with them.

                  And on the account of your statement about the pogroms there will be some evidence, because the word "pogrom" means violent acts with dead, wounded, material damage? You well know that during the pogroms in Sumgait many people were killed and injured, so justify your statement about the pogroms in Yerevan.
                  1. alexsipin
                    alexsipin 5 December 2017 20: 03 New
                    0
                    Quote: Brut
                    And on the account of your statement about the pogroms there will be some evidence, because the word "pogrom" means violent actions with the dead,

                    "According to the 1989 census, 84,860 Azerbaijanis lived in Armenia.
                    According to the estimates of the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Refugees, in 2004, 30 Azerbaijanis resided in Armenia "
                    The question is where are all these people? They left? They were "left" (in the sense of kicked out)? They were killed?
                  2. alexsipin
                    alexsipin 5 December 2017 20: 15 New
                    0
                    Quote: Brut
                    Imagine for 40 years never heard such an expression.

                    Because there was such a community, there were no Azerbaijanis in Yerevan. As well as the communities of Baku Armenians. The elite play with nationalism, and people disappear in whole communities. What happened to you and the Azerbaijanis is very similar to what is happening between us and the Palestinians in 40-50
                    1. Sparkling
                      Sparkling wine - Dry 6 December 2017 10: 28 New
                      +1
                      Quote: alexsipin
                      The question is where are all these people? They left? They were "left" (in the sense of kicked out)? They were killed?

                      Yes, indeed they left, but they left peacefully, collected all their belongings and left without casualties and wounded, i.e. no pogroms were unlike the pogroms of Sumgait and Baku, where there were many brutal killings.

                      That’s why it’s not worth comparing us with our neighbors in terms of nationalism and xenophobia, where the total Armenianophobia is at the state level - the president of the country gives the state award to the officer for cutting off the head of the murdered Armenian soldier.
                      1. alexsipin
                        alexsipin 6 December 2017 22: 11 New
                        0
                        Quote: Brut
                        Yes, indeed they left, but they left peacefully, collected all their belongings and left without casualties and wounded, i.e. no pogroms were unlike the pogroms of Sumgait and Baku, where there were many brutal killings.

                        Yeah, 80 thousand people plunged in singing the Armenian folk song "ov, sirun, sirun." You yourself agree to voluntarily leave your apartment?
          3. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 15 New
            +1
            In the winter of 1987/1988, Azerbaijani refugees began to arrive in Azerbaijan from the Kafan and Meghrinsky districts of the Armenian SSR. According to Azerbaijani sources, the first groups of refugees began to arrive in January 1988, and by February 18 their number exceeded 4 thousand. [4] Svante Cornell, a specialist in security and nation-building issues in South-West and Central Asia, [40] writes in his study of the Karabakh conflict (1999) that the first wave of refugees from Armenia reached Baku in late January, with most of those arriving in Sumgait . According to him, during February “two more waves of refugees” arrived in Baku [15]. British journalist Tom de Waal, who published the Black Garden art documentary in 2005 on the history of the Karabakh conflict, cites two people who claim to have seen Azerbaijani refugees from Armenia in Baku back in November 1987 and January 1988. At the same time, he writes that Aramais Babayan, in 1988 the second secretary of the Kafan Committee of the Communist Party of Armenia, told him that "he can’t recall a single case that Azerbaijanis left the territory of the region before February." Moreover, according to Tom de Waal, Aramais Babayan confirmed that one night in February 1988, “two thousand Azerbaijanis” really left the Kafan region, but attributed the reason for this mass exodus to rumors and “provocations” [35]. The Armenian side insists that the first Azerbaijani refugees left Armenia only in February 1988, and casts doubt on the evidence cited by Tom de Waal, pointing out his obvious bias [41].
          4. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 21 New
            +1
            The first meetings began on February 14 in Stepanakert, and on September 18 a new wave of refugee-Azerbaijanis appeared in Baku, now from the NKAO, mainly from Stepanakert. And on February 22, the first blood was shed: in the area of ​​the village. Askeran, a clash of parties occurred, as a result of which two Azerbaijanis died - Ali Hajiyev and Bakhtiyar Guliyev. They opened an account for the victims of the Karabakh conflict.
            And in the evening of February 27 in Sumgait, the beating of Armenians began, which on February 28-29 turned into pogroms, stopped by special forces and police only by March 1. Bottom line: 26 Armenians and 6 Azerbaijanis were killed, about 130 residents (including 54 Azerbaijanis and 34 Armenians) and 275 military and police were wounded.
          5. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 22 New
            0
            Your military did not guard anyone there and it is not worth it to vomit!
        4. The comment was deleted.
          1. The comment was deleted.
        5. dr.star75
          dr.star75 2 December 2017 18: 40 New
          0
          While Azerbaijan will look at Turkey, Russia will support Armenia
          1. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 24 New
            0
            Well, the flag in your hands!
        6. co-creator
          co-creator 2 December 2017 23: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          At that time I myself, as a young lieutenant in the medical service of the Azerbaijani army, personally saw captured Russian paratroopers,

          Another daughter of an officer
          Quote: xetai9977
          the Khojaly genocide of the Russian 366th regiment has long been proven.

          Who is proven? Can I have a document? There are documents that indicate the actions of the soldiers and officers of this regiment of Armenian origin no more. It was their personal initiative no more
          1. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 28 New
            0
            The fact of the participation of servicemen of the 366th regiment in the assault on Khojaly was noted in the reports of several human rights organizations. Thus, in the Memorial report, almost all refugees testified about the participation of servicemen of the 366th regiment in the assault on the city, some of which even entered the city [25].
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 4 December 2017 12: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: TUFAN
              The fact of the participation of servicemen of the 366th regiment in the assault on Khojaly was noted in the reports of several human rights organizations.

              No one denies this. But what does the regiment have to do with it?
              Quote: TUFAN
              Thus, in the Memorial report, almost all refugees testified about the participation of servicemen of the 366th regiment in the storming of the city, some of which even entered the city

              That's right, Armenian soldiers on their own initiative participated in the assault on Khojaly. The rest of the regiment received an order to leave Karabakh and was blocked by the Armenians. For his deblockade, paratroopers were sent who, having entered the battle, brought the MPS out of Karabakh, while the Mi-24 was lost. The Armenians still describe this incident as the participation of the Soviet Airborne Forces on the side of the Azerbaijani side.
              Therefore, your lie that 336 MPS stormed Khojaly will remain a lie.
          2. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 31 New
            0
            Personal initiative ?!))) And who are the initiators? Does the army act on the initiative of a junior officer link? do not disgrace yourself!
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 4 December 2017 12: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: TUFAN
              Personal initiative ?!))) And who are the initiators? Does the army act on the initiative of a junior officer link? do not disgrace yourself!

              Which army? The battalion commander was an Armenian, he gathered all the Armenian officers and soldiers who agreed to carry out the orders. After that they took the tank and 20bmp and switched to the side of the Armenians. How do you think they could be stopped? To shoot? You can see about the events in Karabakh only from the Azerbaijanis you know from the textbooks and don’t understand what kind of ass was there then in general in the entire Soviet army.
              1. FLOOD
                FLOOD 4 December 2017 13: 34 New
                0
                Well, firstly, I didn’t appeal to you. Secondly, I know all this not from textbooks. Thirdly, since when is Zarvigorov Yuri Yuryevich an Armenian? And finally:
                The attack of servicemen of the 366th regiment against the residents of Khojaly is also reported in the Human Rights Watch report (>>>).
                It is worth noting that this is not the first time that the regiment's military personnel took part in battles on the Armenian side. It is known that even before the capture of Khojaly, they took part in the operations of Armenians who had the goal of expelling the Azerbaijani population from Karabakh.

                According to the testimony of servicemen who escaped from the regiment. The command of the regiment was in the know about everything, moreover, they actively sold and leased weapons to the Armenians. Armenian armed gangs (Fidaines) moved freely around the territory of the regiment. With the help of weapons and personnel of the 366th regiment, the Armenian armed forces were able to capture Khojaly, as well as other settlements in particular Mesheli, Malybeyli, Karkidzhahan, Karadaghly. All these seizures were accompanied by massacres, and the expulsion of local residents. The property of the inhabitants was looted, and houses were burned down.

                Despite the categorical denial of the participation of the 366th regiment by the Russian command, there is sufficient evidence confirming the participation of the 366th motorized rifle regiment in the capture of Khojaly and the killing of civilians, as well as in the theft of property of residents of the city.

                March 11, 1992 in the newspaper "Red Star" (the press organ of the Russian army) in an article entitled "Karabakh: a war to a bitter end?" although the fact of participation of the 366th regiment in the capture of Khojaly was partially recognized.
                http://xocali.org/index.php?p=366_polk
              2. FLOOD
                FLOOD 4 December 2017 13: 37 New
                0
                According to numerous eyewitness accounts, including soldiers who fled at different times, all the military equipment, and often the personnel of the regiment, were actually at the disposal of the Armenians. There was a certain calculation system: for each shelling from the cannon of the city of Shushi, the Armenians gave 20 liters of alcohol, for the participation of one BMP in the operation against Azerbaijanis, the commander was supposed to be 5 thousand rubles, and for the shelling - 1 thousand rubles. etc. (there are also sources that indicate much larger amounts).
                Excerpt from the article: “despite the categorical orders of the district’s command, some servicemen of the 366th MSP nevertheless took part on the side of the Karabakh (Armenians) in the fighting near Khojaly on the twentieth of February. At least two such cases have been recorded. And during the evacuation of the regiment’s personnel, the paratroopers checked several soldiers for a choice and found large sums of money from them, including in foreign currency. ”
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 4 December 2017 19: 56 New
                  +1
                  Quote: TUFAN
                  Excerpt from the article: “despite the categorical orders of the district’s command, some servicemen of the 366th MSP nevertheless took part on the side of the Karabakh (Armenians) in the fighting near Khojaly on the twentieth of February. At least two such cases have been recorded. And during the evacuation of the regiment’s personnel, the paratroopers checked several soldiers for a choice and found large sums of money from them, including in foreign currency. ”

                  That is, two cases were recorded. What are you lying about the whole regiment and its commander?
                  About money and alcohol, so I’ll remind you who flew to the Azerbaijani Air Force
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDM1MJKR9p4
                  So what do you think from the side of the Armenians there were no mercenaries?
                  1. FLOOD
                    FLOOD 5 December 2017 07: 18 New
                    0
                    What do you mean lying? Try to observe at least some etiquette. Nobody called you here. And if it comes to that, I’ll fall asleep with such “compliments” that it won’t seem enough!
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator 5 December 2017 11: 04 New
                      0
                      Quote: TUFAN
                      What do you mean lying? Try to observe at least some etiquette.

                      Do not know the meaning of the word - lying? What the hell is etiquette if you have no grounds for our soldiers blaming the genocide. What does the link that you give about this is not a word.
                      Quote: TUFAN
                      Nobody called you here.

                      I didn't call you either.
                      Quote: TUFAN
                      . And if it comes to that, I’ll fall asleep with such “compliments” that it won’t seem enough!

                      Fly away to the ban and all. Although I give your compliments to the bulb.
                      1. FLOOD
                        FLOOD 5 December 2017 13: 46 New
                        0
                        To me personally, you yourself too light! Did you try to scare me with a ban? laughing And I blame not your soldiers, but the soldier of Satan. If you shield these coves, then you yourself are the same!
              3. FLOOD
                FLOOD 4 December 2017 13: 39 New
                0
                https://www.google.az/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a
                mp; esrc = s & source = web & cd = 3 & cad = rja &
                ; uact = 8 & ved = 0ahUKEwiRtKafk_DXAhWBXRQKHWv2BtAQ
                twIIODAC & url = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fwww.youtube.com% 2F
                watch%3Fv%3DOVi6vHmJVvk&usg=AOvVaw2OR4dfg90f9
                UmoBitcxzvW
              4. FLOOD
                FLOOD 4 December 2017 13: 43 New
                0
                About the atrocities committed by the Armenian bandits and the 366th SME, then in their secret report to the Russian command the head of the special department (No. 02270) of the 366th motorized rifle regiment, Colonel V. Savelyev, wrote.

                The report, in particular, states:

                “... I have no desire to keep silent about these facts that happened before my eyes. I can’t forget the shot people, children and the elderly, pregnant women. Let Azerbaijanis forgive me for not being able to withstand these bloody events ...

                Colonel E. Zarvigorov, commander of the 366th motorized rifle regiment and other responsible persons, with the permission of the army district command, teamed up with the Armenians in suppressing the firing points towards Khojaly. As a result, having gathered 49 Azerbaijanis to the square in a day, they were shot.

                On behalf of Lieutenant Colonel Sergei Kraumnin, chief of staff, Colonel Arkady Moiseev, commander of the first motorized rifle battalion, Major Serge Oganyan, commander of the second battalion, Major Gavriil Nabokikh, captain of the third battalion, Iskhak Likhodein and others, simultaneously engaged in the withdrawal of the population, were more concerned with the withdrawal of peace, since about the Armenians. As a result, during the resettlement (although it was not fully implemented), 58 Azerbaijanis were killed.

                There was a case when I could not help an eight-nine-year-old girl who received a bullet wound ten steps from me.

                Those who directly participated in the withdrawal of the regiment and the transfer of arms to the Armenians: Colonel General Gromov, Lieutenant General Grekov, Lieutenant General Ohanyan, Deputy Andronov, Colonel E. Zarvigorov (later General), Colonel Kraule ...

                The fourth army (in Soviet times the headquarters was in Baku) created the conditions for the participation of fighters of the 23rd motorized infantry division in the Khojaly operation.

                In those days, the Armenians - the Operator-II studio employees (Jules Barelyan, Sherik Sitaryan) from France filmed the burning of the bodies of dead Azerbaijanis in Khojaly.

                According to officer Ivan Karabelnikov, this happened in a small hilly area northeast of Khojaly.

                Having gathered the bodies of the murdered Azerbaijanis at KamAZ under the number 02-19 MM, the Armenians made a big fire. Hatred is in the nature of Armenians. She is infinite. I still could not understand where such hatred came from.

                And here is a list of some of the ranks that teamed up with the Armenians who killed captive Azerbaijanis with pleasure and individually: Colonel Baylukov, deputy regiment commander on the rear; commander of the first battalion, Colonel I.V. Moiseev; commander of the second platoon, Major S.I.Oganian; the commander of the third platoon, Major Nabokih; Chief of Staff of the First Battalion, Major V.I. Chitchiyan; regiment reconnaissance chief, major V.G. Ayriyan; company commander, senior lieutenant O.V. Mirzokhalzarov; intelligence platoon chief, senior lieutenant S.V. Khrinhua; tank company commander, senior lieutenant V.N. Garmash; company commander, senior lieutenant N.T. Hakobyan; company commander, senior lieutenant V.I. Vavilovsky; platoon commander, senior lieutenant A.B. Lysenko; battery commander, senior lieutenant V.A. Azarov; anti-tank battery commander, senior lieutenant I.S. Abramov; commander of the third tank company, lieutenant O.V. Balezny; tank platoon commander, lieutenant A.V.Smakin; commander of a sapper company, lieutenant S.I. Rachkovsky; deputy intelligence chief, lieutenant L.I. Bondarev; Head of the radiochemical platoon, lieutenant A.I. Kulov; as well as another 41 Armenian military servants of the junior officer staff. ”

                According to the report of V. Savelyev, Armenian pilots and mercenaries from abroad received helicopters on February 19, and this squadron became part of the 366th motorized rifle regiment on February 22. List of helicopters and their personnel that bombed Khojaly:

                - Helicopter No. 39: pilot Romb Galakchiyan - Lebanese Armenian, profession - engineer;

                - Helicopter No. 40: pilot Hrazdan Minoyan - Syrian Armenian, engineer;

                - Helicopter No. 29: pilot Zahid al-Mohammed - Lebanese citizen, member of Hamas;

                - Helicopter No.17: pilot Ararat Sarajyan - a soldier from Yerevan;

                - Helicopter No. 45: pilot Suren Pirimyan - an employee of the Yerevan police.

                It was these helicopters that bombed Khojaly from 16 to 24 hours on February 26 and fired 89 missiles.

                The message of Lieutenant General Yuri Grekov says that “Grad and Hurricane artillery systems were used to clean the Khojaly territory from Azerbaijani residents.

                The above testimonies of eyewitnesses, Russian and foreign journalists, in the report of the military officer of the 366th SME confirm the fact of a deliberate act of extermination of the Khojaly population by the Armenian gangs and the 366th SME of the former Soviet army. Khojaly’s civilian population was destroyed, tortured, and robbed of their corpses just because they were Azerbaijanis — is this not genocide?
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 4 December 2017 19: 47 New
                  0
                  Quote: TUFAN
                  About the atrocities committed by the Armenian bandits and the 366th SME, then in their secret report to the Russian command the head of the special department (No. 02270) of the 366th motorized rifle regiment, Colonel V. Savelyev, wrote.

                  The report, in particular, states:

                  “... I have no desire to keep silent about these facts that happened before my eyes. I can’t forget the shot people, children and the elderly, pregnant women. Let Azerbaijanis forgive me for not being able to withstand these bloody events ...

                  Colonel E. Zarvigorov, commander of the 366th motorized rifle regiment and other responsible persons, with the permission of the army district command, teamed up with the Armenians in suppressing the firing points towards Khojaly. As a result, having gathered 49 Azerbaijanis to the square in a day, they were shot.

                  On behalf of Lieutenant Colonel Sergei Kraumnin, chief of staff, Colonel Arkady Moiseev, commander of the first motorized rifle battalion, Major Serge Oganyan, commander of the second battalion, Major Gavriil Nabokikh, captain of the third battalion, Iskhak Likhodein and others, simultaneously engaged in the withdrawal of the population, were more concerned with the withdrawal of peace, since about the Armenians. As a result, during the resettlement (although it was not fully implemented), 58 Azerbaijanis were killed.

                  There was a case when I could not help an eight-nine-year-old girl who received a bullet wound ten steps from me.

                  Those who directly participated in the withdrawal of the regiment and the transfer of arms to the Armenians: Colonel General Gromov, Lieutenant General Grekov, Lieutenant General Ohanyan, Deputy Andronov, Colonel E. Zarvigorov (later General), Colonel Kraule ...

                  The fourth army (in Soviet times the headquarters was in Baku) created the conditions for the participation of fighters of the 23rd motorized infantry division in the Khojaly operation.

                  In those days, the Armenians - the Operator-II studio employees (Jules Barelyan, Sherik Sitaryan) from France filmed the burning of the bodies of dead Azerbaijanis in Khojaly.

                  According to officer Ivan Karabelnikov, this happened in a small hilly area northeast of Khojaly.

                  Having gathered the bodies of the murdered Azerbaijanis at KamAZ under the number 02-19 MM, the Armenians made a big fire. Hatred is in the nature of Armenians. She is infinite. I still could not understand where such hatred came from.

                  And here is a list of some of the ranks that teamed up with the Armenians who killed captive Azerbaijanis with pleasure and individually: Colonel Baylukov, deputy regiment commander on the rear; commander of the first battalion, Colonel I.V. Moiseev; commander of the second platoon, Major S.I.Oganian; the commander of the third platoon, Major Nabokih; Chief of Staff of the First Battalion, Major V.I. Chitchiyan; regiment reconnaissance chief, major V.G. Ayriyan; company commander, senior lieutenant O.V. Mirzokhalzarov; intelligence platoon chief, senior lieutenant S.V. Khrinhua; tank company commander, senior lieutenant V.N. Garmash; company commander, senior lieutenant N.T. Hakobyan; company commander, senior lieutenant V.I. Vavilovsky; platoon commander, senior lieutenant A.B. Lysenko; battery commander, senior lieutenant V.A. Azarov; anti-tank battery commander, senior lieutenant I.S. Abramov; commander of the third tank company, lieutenant O.V. Balezny; tank platoon commander, lieutenant A.V.Smakin; commander of a sapper company, lieutenant S.I. Rachkovsky; deputy intelligence chief, lieutenant L.I. Bondarev; Head of the radiochemical platoon, lieutenant A.I. Kulov; as well as another 41 Armenian military servants of the junior officer staff. ”

                  According to the report of V. Savelyev, Armenian pilots and mercenaries from abroad received helicopters on February 19, and this squadron became part of the 366th motorized rifle regiment on February 22. List of helicopters and their personnel that bombed Khojaly:

                  - Helicopter No. 39: pilot Romb Galakchiyan - Lebanese Armenian, profession - engineer;

                  - Helicopter No. 40: pilot Hrazdan Minoyan - Syrian Armenian, engineer;

                  - Helicopter No. 29: pilot Zahid al-Mohammed - Lebanese citizen, member of Hamas;

                  - Helicopter No.17: pilot Ararat Sarajyan - a soldier from Yerevan;

                  - Helicopter No. 45: pilot Suren Pirimyan - an employee of the Yerevan police.

                  It was these helicopters that bombed Khojaly from 16 to 24 hours on February 26 and fired 89 missiles.

                  The message of Lieutenant General Yuri Grekov says that “Grad and Hurricane artillery systems were used to clean the Khojaly territory from Azerbaijani residents.

                  The above testimonies of eyewitnesses, Russian and foreign journalists, in the report of the military officer of the 366th SME confirm the fact of a deliberate act of extermination of the Khojaly population by the Armenian gangs and the 366th SME of the former Soviet army. Khojaly’s civilian population was destroyed, tortured, and robbed of their corpses just because they were Azerbaijanis — is this not genocide?

                  Pruff for torture, etc. participated in the IPU 366

                  Colonel Yuri Zarvigorov, commander of the 366th Guards Motorized Rifle Division, received an order from the ZakVO command to withdraw the regiment from Stepanakert to the north. But the commander of the 2nd motorized rifle battalion, Major Seyran Ohanyan, collecting officers and ensigns of Armenian nationality, as well as soldiers of different nationalities, managed to capture one tank, 2 artillery pieces and about 20 infantry fighting vehicles. With these means, he blocked the route of evacuation of the regimental column near the village Ballydzha. The ZakVO command on alert raised the 328th and 345th airborne regiments of the 104th Guards Airborne Division, stationed in Kirovabad, to assist in the withdrawal of the remnants of the 366th Guards regiment. The operation to withdraw the regiment began on March 1, 1992. The conclusion was accompanied by battles with Armenian formations, which entailed losses in manpower and equipment. 1 Mi-24 helicopter was lost in battles
                2. garnik
                  garnik 5 December 2017 19: 04 New
                  +1
                  Khojaly stormed 4 squads with 2 or 3 infantry fighting vehicles. The task of these infantry fighting vehicles was to take the runway of the airfield. The last group of refugees who were already approaching Agdam ran into friendly fire. Someone of them sent refugees to the village of Nakhichevanik while claiming that he was under the azero. But stumbled upon an Armenian block post. A battle ensued between the Azeri military, who were among the refugees and the Armenians. The victims were no more than 200 people. And the next day there were much more. Let me remind you that the territory was controlled by Azeris.
                  the faces of some people were disfigured, for your information about 15 Armenian people were held captive, maybe they were, otherwise why should the faces be mutilated.
                  I can give a link. Listen to Mustafayev on YouTube.
                  About 800 people remained in Khojaly, and all of them were sent to third countries. So ask them what happened in the city.
                  And the fact that they were shot is a war. With the war you came and the first executions and abuses on your conscience.
                  And why not remember how from Khojaly and Shushi they shot Stepanakert where at least people died or you thought that the Armenians would throw bagels.
                  1. co-creator
                    co-creator 6 December 2017 08: 32 New
                    +2
                    Quote: garnik
                    And the fact that they were shot is a war. With the war you came and the first executions and abuses on your conscience.

                    On whose conscience? On the conscience of Russian soldiers? You don’t cross the border, cut each other and then cut only do not get us involved.
                    1. garnik
                      garnik 6 December 2017 10: 01 New
                      +1
                      My comment was on Tufan. I guess I answered, by mistake, to YOUR post?
                      1. co-creator
                        co-creator 6 December 2017 11: 22 New
                        +1
                        If by mistake, then accepted.
                        And it was still not enough to get us into Khojaly. Kato is to blame there, whether there was genocide or not, sort it out yourself. We have enough of our sins.
                3. garnik
                  garnik 5 December 2017 19: 19 New
                  +1
                  On behalf of Lieutenant Colonel Sergei Kraumnin, chief of staff, Colonel Arkady Moiseev, commander of the first motorized rifle battalion, Major Serge Oganyan, commander of the second battalion, Major Gavriil Nabokikh, captain of the third battalion, Iskhak Likhodein and others, simultaneously engaged in the withdrawal of the population, were more concerned with the withdrawal of peace, since about the Armenians. As a result, during the resettlement (although it was not fully implemented), 58 Azerbaijanis were killed.

                  Sorry, I didn’t understand how they simultaneously fired (Khankendi) Stepanakert populated by Armenians and engaged in separatism and took care of the Armenians.
                  What's this? And this is noodles.
          3. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 13: 56 New
            +1
            Zarvigorov, until recently, lived in Pskov, if he didn’t die, it means he lives there. In Argentina, lives the commander of the 3rd battalion of the 366th regiment, Evgeny Nabokih, who received $ 1,5 million from the Armenians for the participation of his battalion’s armored vehicles in the assault on Khojaly.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 4 December 2017 19: 52 New
              +1
              Colonel Yuri Zarvigorov, commander of the 366th Guards Motorized Rifle Division, received an order from the ZakVO command to withdraw the regiment from Stepanakert to the north. But the commander of the 2nd motorized rifle battalion, Major Seyran Ohanyan, collecting officers and ensigns of Armenian nationality, as well as soldiers of different nationalities, managed to capture one tank, 2 artillery pieces and about 20 infantry fighting vehicles. With these means, he blocked the route of evacuation of the regimental column near the village Ballydzha. The ZakVO command on alert raised the 328th and 345th airborne regiments of the 104th Guards Airborne Division, stationed in Kirovabad, to assist in the withdrawal of the remnants of the 366th Guards regiment. The operation to withdraw the regiment began on March 1, 1992. The conclusion was accompanied by battles with Armenian formations, which entailed losses in manpower and equipment. 1 Mi-24 helicopter was lost in battles

              You can tell tales about 1,5 million dollars to your Azerbaijanis.
              But who is this?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDM1MJKR9p4
        7. Hanter
          Hanter 3 December 2017 13: 56 New
          +1
          ... captured Russian paratroopers from the 366th regiment .... where and how?
          1. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 13: 47 New
            0
            and here they are:
            https://www.google.az/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a
            mp; a
            mp; esrc = s & source = web & cd = 3 & cad = rja &
            ;
            ; uact = 8 & ved = 0ahUKEwiRtKafk_DXAhWBXRQKHWv2BtAQ
            twIIODAC & url = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fwww.youtube.com% 2F
            watch%3Fv%3DOVi6vHmJVvk&usg=AOvVaw2OR4dfg90f9
            UmoBitcxzvW

            https://www.google.az/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a
            mp; esrc = s & source = web & cd = 7 & cad = rja &
            ; uact = 8 & ved = 0ahUKEwiRtKafk_DXAhWBXRQKHWv2BtAQ
            FghKMAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Fok.ru%2Fvideo%2F325
            929472351 & usg = AOvVaw1zE9Xuyp1JlP-RJphMiJCY
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 4 December 2017 20: 07 New
              +1
              Quote: TUFAN
              and here they are:
              https://www.google.az/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a
              mp; a
              mp; a
              mp; esrc = s & source = web & cd = 3 & cad = rja &
              ; amp
              ;
              ; uact = 8 & ved = 0ahUKEwiRtKafk_DXAhWBXRQKHWv2BtAQ
              twIIODAC & url = https% 3A% 2F% 2Fwww.youtube.com% 2F
              watch%3Fv%3DOVi6vHmJVvk&usg=AOvVaw2OR4dfg90f9
              UmoBitcxzvW

              https://www.google.az/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&a
              mp; a
              mp; esrc = s & source = web & cd = 7 & cad = rja &
              ; amp
              ; uact = 8 & ved = 0ahUKEwiRtKafk_DXAhWBXRQKHWv2BtAQ
              FghKMAY&url=https%3A%2F%2Fok.ru%2Fvideo%2F325
              929472351 & usg = AOvVaw1zE9Xuyp1JlP-RJphMiJCY

              Broken link ..call more
        8. Hanter
          Hanter 3 December 2017 14: 02 New
          0
          [i] According to the Azerbaijani side, the assault was organized and carried out by the commander of the 2nd motorized rifle battalion of the 366th guards regiment Major Seyran Ohanyan [13].
          According to the Armenian and Russian sides, the soldiers of the 366th guards. Msp did not participate in the assault on Khojaly [14] [15].
          In view of the threat of the involvement of the remaining parts of the 23rd Guards Msd in the conflict, the CIS leadership decides to evacuate the personnel of the 366th Guards Msd and 622th Squads from Stepanakert to Vaziani on the territory of Georgia.
          Colonel Yuri Zarvigorov, commander of the 366th Guards Motorized Rifle Division, received an order from the ZakVO command to withdraw the regiment from Stepanakert to the north. But the commander of the 2nd motorized rifle battalion, Major Seyran Ohanyan, collecting officers and ensigns of Armenian nationality, as well as soldiers of different nationalities, managed to capture one tank, 2 artillery pieces and about 20 infantry fighting vehicles. With these means, he blocked the route of evacuation of the regimental column near the village Ballydzha. The ZakVO command on alert raised the 328th and 345th airborne regiments of the 104th Guards Airborne Division, stationed in Kirovabad, to assist in the withdrawal of the remnants of the 366th Guards regiment. The operation to withdraw the regiment began on March 1, 1992. The conclusion was accompanied by battles with Armenian formations, which entailed losses in manpower and equipment. 1 Mi-24 helicopter was lost in battles
          .... what does the participation in the war of Russia?
    2. Going
      Going 2 December 2017 12: 20 New
      +8
      And what would have happened if the USA hadn’t saved, the coup?
      1. 1331M
        1331M 2 December 2017 12: 22 New
        +3
        And here's the tricky plan, it ... am Chew silently.
    3. Skeptic
      Skeptic 2 December 2017 12: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Another reason to regret saving Erdogad from the coup! The Turks go too far and it will break at some point, and at least one end will hit them in the head! And it’s better that both, and stronger!

      Was there a choice? A new shah would fit the NATO fleet and close the strait and air corridors. There would be a kaput to the Syrian express. Even the Turks could more radically intervene in the internal conflict of the neighboring state in order to tear themselves a large piece of Syria. No present is the smallest of evils possible, and he perfectly understands this. Russia and Turkey have different interests. In fact, Erdogan makes concessions only for economic reasons, a great interest in gas and the Russian market is affecting.
      1. Going
        Going 2 December 2017 12: 39 New
        +9
        I can add that it would blaze in Armenia to the fullest, through Karabakh naturally.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 2 December 2017 13: 01 New
      +6
      So, the conflict in the late 80s began with Sumgait with help from outside and connivance of Gorbi.
    5. Kent0001
      Kent0001 2 December 2017 14: 01 New
      +1
      If Perdogan had been demolished, then there would have been a Yanker puppet. The Turks will bend them an interesting line always everywhere and in everything. It’s just that we should be kind of fighting for us, and we need to advance our interests, otherwise I’ll look at Aliev’s che - she also turns her tail in the wrong direction. By the way, he also hates us and at every opportunity craps and will crap.
    6. staviator
      staviator 2 December 2017 14: 36 New
      +2
      the thoughts of one "political scientist" do not reflect the policy and opinion of the state, if you react to every article even in Ukraine, you can go crazy.
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 2 December 2017 16: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: staviator
        the thoughts of one "political scientist" does not reflect the policy and opinion of the state,

        Exactly. One threw, the others picked up, and it went through the pipes. As for Karabakh, once again, I repeat that a logical solution to this problem would be to take Karabakh under the jurisdiction of Russia. Thus, by seizing the subject of the dispute, peace is established in a single region. And no one will even shoot from a slingshot. No, of course, they can try, but better not ... yes
  2. 210ox
    210ox 2 December 2017 12: 14 New
    +2
    Did someone say something about the “ally"? This Sultan will aim at his back more than once!
    1. Going
      Going 2 December 2017 12: 19 New
      11
      There can be no alliance, only profitable interests and an eye, but an eye behind such an "ally."
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 2 December 2017 12: 20 New
      +2
      Quote: 210ox
      Did someone say something about the “ally"? This Sultan will aim at his back more than once!

      Loudly said!!! fellow Based on this:
      Azerbaijani press publishes statement by Turkish political scientist Ferit Timur ...

      ?? belay
      Yes, we are in these political scientists, like in a shit roemsi. And listen to a snot skin? Raise them, educate ... Hands hurt ... angry
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 2 December 2017 12: 24 New
        +1
        Hands hurt - kick your feet! wassat
  3. solzh
    solzh 2 December 2017 12: 16 New
    +1
    So Russia is to blame for the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict? Circus, and only! The political scientist Ferit Timur should have known that Russia does not need this conflict, it is not needed at all, and moreover Russia did not start this conflict.
  4. Going
    Going 2 December 2017 12: 18 New
    +8
    And who is Turkey going to blame in its own conflict with the Kurdish population?


    What a question, of course, to Russia.
  5. pvv113
    pvv113 2 December 2017 12: 19 New
    +4
    statement by Turkish political scientist Ferit Timur

    It looks like he was preparing somewhere in Kiev
    1. Going
      Going 2 December 2017 12: 24 New
      +9
      They are all cooked in a famous place.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 2 December 2017 12: 26 New
      +3
      They made the shmat of fat to sit down and the gorilki to suck a liter in one throat, that's all the preparation! wassat
  6. Smoked
    Smoked 2 December 2017 12: 31 New
    0
    Cool, doing an advertisement to a Turkish political scientist. Someone in the editorial office is clearly in proportion.
  7. askort154
    askort154 2 December 2017 12: 44 New
    0
    Guys that got too crazy. “Polit expert” - Moscow brewed porridge in Karabakh. The psycho’s logic is to set fire to a gas canister on the neighbor’s balcony, and see what happens next.
    Trading in the market did not give him time to study history.
  8. Altona
    Altona 2 December 2017 12: 45 New
    0
    Quote: Herkulesich
    They made the shmat of fat to sit down and the gorilki to suck a liter in one throat, that's all the preparation!

    ------------------------------------
    Turk? Such muck? Rather, they will drink his urine. laughing
  9. Illegal
    Illegal 2 December 2017 13: 02 New
    +3
    Liberasty, again trying to pit Russia? Armenia is sacred for Russia! As if there wasn’t .. These men are definitely! soldier (believe me ..)
    1. Going
      Going 2 December 2017 13: 11 New
      +9
      Vitaly, of course we believe.
    2. protoss
      protoss 2 December 2017 13: 17 New
      +3
      Russia is sacred for Russia, and Armenia simply stuck, which you have to drag on yourself.
      1. Illegal
        Illegal 2 December 2017 13: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: protoss
        Russia is sacred for Russia, and Armenia simply stuck, which you have to drag on yourself.

        Well, in principle, you're right .. heh heh But there is one “but” .. The center of Orthodoxy and even during the time of the tsarist empire did not give this territory to other peoples to be torn to pieces .. (although they tried many times)
        And now we continue this defense! Otherwise, Russian Khan ..
        1. FLOOD
          FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 45 New
          0
          Center of Orthodoxy and the Catholicos! wink
          According to the canonical structure of the unified Armenian Apostolic Church, there are two Catholicosates - the Catholicosate of All Armenians, with a center in Etchmiadzin and the Cilician Catholicosate, with a center in the Lebanese city of Antilias.
          Congratulations, with the intelligence you have fellow
          1. garnik
            garnik 4 December 2017 13: 41 New
            +1
            Georgians also have a Catholicos, and so. The name of the Armenian church is the ORTHODOX ARMENIAN APOSTOLIC CHURCH.
  10. Serg65
    Serg65 2 December 2017 13: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: Herkulesich
    The Turks go too far and it will break at some point, and at least one end will hit them in the head!

    Quote: Logall
    This statement is equivalent to saying that if

    Quote: Going
    I can add that it would blaze in Armenia to the fullest, through Karabakh naturally.

    Quote: askort154
    “Polit expert” - Moscow brewed porridge in Karabakh. The psycho’s logic is to set fire to a gas canister on the neighbor’s balcony, and see what happens next.

    My friends, I don’t hint at anything, but take an interest in Google about the collapse of ZAKVO, about the actions of the deputy commander of ZAKVO Bappaev, a member of the military council of the 19th Air Defense Division Tymoshenko.
    You can read the confession of the senior reconnaissance officer of the 19th Air Defense OA, a very interesting article ....
    http://www.sovsekretno.ru/articles/id/5440/
    hi
  11. Sars
    Sars 2 December 2017 13: 25 New
    +1
    So the Turks will agree that in 1915 the Russians, dressed in Denme Turks (Turkish Jews) staged the Armenian Genocide.
    1. garnik
      garnik 2 December 2017 14: 24 New
      0
      So there is such information that the Denme was staged the genocide of Christian peoples on the territory of Turkey: Taalat, Enver, Jemal, etc.
      1. DEPARTMENT-M29
        DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 14: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: garnik
        So there is such information that the Denme was staged the genocide of Christian peoples on the territory of Turkey: Taalat, Enver, Jemal, etc.

        Genocide and the Holocaust, this is among the Jews .. hehe heh .. And we have just simple showdown! he he
  12. prior
    prior 2 December 2017 13: 37 New
    0
    And where does Turkey.
    Political scientists of any nationality are, first and foremost, la-la-bola.
    What are iksperds worth - Sytin, Gozman, .... and other Koreyba.
  13. raki-uzo
    raki-uzo 2 December 2017 13: 38 New
    +4
    And who is this Ferit Timur? I am a Turk, I live in Turkey and the first time I listen to him. Google does not give anything.
    Disinformation!!!
    1. Dym71
      Dym71 2 December 2017 16: 10 New
      0
      Quote: raki-uzo
      And who is this Ferit Timur?

      Here is his article:
      - http://www.sde.org.tr/tr/newsdetail/turk-eng-ilis
      kilerine-medeniyetsel-bir-bakis / 3801
  14. K-50
    K-50 2 December 2017 13: 57 New
    +2
    Until Moscow has its own vision of a common future with Turkey in the Eurasian space

    It just never will be. Maybe some period with the coincidence of interests and the accompanying "movement", but certainly not GENERAL.
    Turkey has always been and will be an enemy of Russia, if only because it was Russia that stopped the expansion of Turkey on the continent and kicked it out of Romania and Bulgaria.
    1. protoss
      protoss 2 December 2017 18: 45 New
      +1
      Austria and Poland stopped Ottoman expansion, and it was 180 years before the liberation of Romania and Bulgaria.
      1. Karen
        Karen 2 December 2017 19: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: protoss
        Austria and Poland stopped Ottoman expansion, and it was 180 years before the liberation of Romania and Bulgaria.

        Actually, in that massacre the Armenian division was marked ... then the Poles took advantage of our losses in their troops and forcibly assimilated our ...
        1. alexsipin
          alexsipin 2 December 2017 22: 43 New
          +3
          Quote: Karen
          Actually, in that massacre the Armenian division was markedly ... then the Poles took advantage of our losses in their troops and forcibly assimilated ours.


          It's a pity the Poles will not be able to read it. There would be a battle of the century, clashed Polish and Armenian nationalism.
          1. Karen
            Karen 2 December 2017 22: 48 New
            +1
            Poland is well aware of our contribution to their development ... there are many of our churches left without a master ...
            1. alexsipin
              alexsipin 3 December 2017 19: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: Karen
              Poland is well aware of our contribution to their development ... there are many of our churches left without a master ...

              -Do you see the gopher?
              -No
              -And he is.

              So are the Armenians in Poland. Maybe they are, but they are not visible. Poles consider themselves the center of European civilization, the cleanest and most beautiful Slavic nation. Forgive me, but for them it’s the Armenians, that the Aleuts - a very little-known concept.
              1. Karen
                Karen 3 December 2017 19: 39 New
                0
                They are not there right now - they were crushed by a rink of forced assimilation ... 20% of us were there. There is info on the Internet, you can read about our contribution in the past.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 4 December 2017 12: 49 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Karen
                  there were 20% of us.

                  Karen do you use drugs? Finish with this case.
              2. Sparkling
                Sparkling wine - Dry 4 December 2017 13: 13 New
                0
                Quote: alexsipin
                Forgive me, but for them it’s the Armenians, that the Aleuts - a very little-known concept.

                President Duda, speaking at an event on the occasion of the 650th anniversary of the Armenian community of Poland on March 29, called the Armenians the first Polish intellectuals, Polish Radio reports.

                Read more: https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/world/20170330/68463
                36 / prezident-polshi-armyane-byli-v-chisle-pervyh-
                polskih-intelligentov.html

                And you are wrong.
        2. co-creator
          co-creator 2 December 2017 23: 50 New
          +3
          Karenchik do you all have such dreamers there or is it just from doing wrong?
          1. Karen
            Karen 2 December 2017 23: 55 New
            +1
            Ivanushka, well, I would first read on the Internet, then I would apply for additional education.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 3 December 2017 00: 00 New
              +4
              Your name is not Karenchik? Why then do you sign by someone else's name?
              Read about what? How did the Poles forcibly assimilate the Armenians or the fact that you made a significant contribution to the victory over the Turks?) Both of these statements are ridiculous.
              1. Karen
                Karen 3 December 2017 00: 05 New
                +1
                Ivanushka, as I understand it, you don’t want to read.
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 3 December 2017 00: 12 New
                  +3
                  I can read that, I can not seriously take fairy tales.
          2. FLOOD
            FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 49 New
            0
            Transfer to your saviors ?! Yes, they even cured your Three Heroes, and you ... Ehh yyy ...
  15. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 2 December 2017 14: 33 New
    +1
    What is it all about? What kind of political scientist? I can argue that he’s nobody and I can’t call him anything, not even a politician.
  16. DEPARTMENT-M29
    DEPARTMENT-M29 2 December 2017 14: 36 New
    +4
    Armenia is our frontier ..!
    Just try to touch and they will capture Baku!
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 2 December 2017 22: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: DEPARTMENT-M29
      Armenia is our frontier ..!
      Just try to touch and they will capture Baku!

      If Meehan fit in with the Armenians, then write is gone. You will not envy the Armenians.
    2. FLOOD
      FLOOD 4 December 2017 10: 50 New
      0
      more precisely, in Baku hi
  17. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 2 December 2017 14: 49 New
    +7
    And who would doubt nothing new, the author threw us grain like chickens, so we peck, the grain will end, we’ll start peeling stones. I mean that the topic is scarce and the author wants to keep us busy.
  18. Young_Communist
    Young_Communist 2 December 2017 15: 15 New
    +2
    Turkey wants to shift the blame for the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict to Russia

    This can not be, because the Turks are our brothers now.
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 2 December 2017 22: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Young_Communist
      This can not be, because the Turks are our brothers now.

      Until the next downed plane.
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 3 December 2017 22: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: alexsipin
        Until the next downed plane.

        Well, at least the Jewish brothers will not throw us if that? I hope.
        1. alexsipin
          alexsipin 4 December 2017 20: 06 New
          0
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          Well, at least the Jewish brothers will not throw us if that? I hope

  19. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 2 December 2017 15: 39 New
    +2
    We have no other choice. Armenia locks up the predatory aspirations of Turkey and prevents them from spreading north and deep into Russia. Yes, and the Soviet Union would have been in NATO for a long time following the example of the Baltic states, in Central Asia there would have been another story. And we need this. .? Turks (and everyone who disguises themselves under other names) is an ethnic group in these places, but very active and knows how to erode and absorb peoples making Turks out of them. And this is a very dangerous quality in geopolitics and therefore any adequate and most important strong state formation must by all means to restrain the Turks as much as possible. Do you think that it is Armenia and Russia that restrain the Turks? No, this Byzantium gives them a fight!
  20. Nemesis
    Nemesis 2 December 2017 16: 42 New
    +3
    Turkey supported Dudaev in Chechnya and that’s it ...
    1. Karen
      Karen 2 December 2017 17: 04 New
      +5
      Not only Turkey ... Dudaev or Maskhadov, if I remember correctly, gave Heydar Aliyev his gun as a token of appreciation, and promised help in the future ...
      1. Lekxnumx
        Lekxnumx 2 December 2017 21: 34 New
        +1
        Do not need these your Armenian fairy tales composed on the go Dudaev was a Soviet general who revealed the Kremlin’s plans in case of which to return Crimea back in 1995, the military general knew what he was saying, he needed help and turned to almost everyone and turned to Elchibey and not Aliyev.
        Elchibey was more attentive to the problems of ethnic minorities of Azn and Aliyev, on the contrary, with his arrival, the entire political life of the Lezghins and Talyshes of Azn ended.
        Dudayev’s best childhood friend was Lezghin across the nation, about whom he spoke this man an example of courage.
        Dudaev said, “In order for the whole Caucasus to flare, it’s enough to raise the Lezgin”
        He also spoke. In the Caucasus there are two peoples who have independence in blood, these are Chechens and Lezghins.
        Dudaev was blackmailing Az-anlezginsky question. Aliev, having come to power, did not want a conflict with his friends from the Kremlin, even gave a share to Russian companies in the contract of the century. And the Russian Federation turned a blind eye as its people stole activists of Russian citizens from the territory of Russia. By the way, this secret agreement between the Aliyevs and the Kremlin is still valid. On the issue of the North Caucasus, the Lezgins’ separation between the Kremlin and Baku act together if we take the chronicle of recent years, this is easily provable. In short extensive topic and I assure you you do not rummage in this topic.
        1. Karen
          Karen 2 December 2017 22: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Lek3338
          Do not need these your Armenian fairy tales composed on the go Dudaev was a Soviet general who revealed the Kremlin’s plans in case of which to return Crimea back in 1995, the military general knew what he was saying, he needed help and turned to almost everyone and turned to Elchibey and not Aliyev.

          Can you tell me who in the leadership of the Russian Federation in the 95th needed Crimea? There, in Moscow, they needed only one thing - the plunder of the inheritance from the scoop, for which they started a war in Chechnya - as a noise background for this. Before that, Tataria was exaggerated, but Dudaev imagined himself an Imam of Chechnya and Dagestan and eased the occasion for puppeteers
          According to the TV shots of giving a gun - the memory vaguely indicates Maskhadov, but I don’t remember a year.
        2. Nemesis
          Nemesis 3 December 2017 03: 15 New
          +1
          1) Dudaev was never a general, he was a colonel who was retired with a promotion ... This is a common practice ... 2) The fact that in 1994 at the airport of Grozny the Mi-24 helicopters of the Russian Air Force burned the An-12 Air Force Azerbaijan has supplied arms to Chechen terrorists for a long time is no secret ...
  21. aries2200
    aries2200 2 December 2017 21: 47 New
    0
    refuse to carry a tomato and everything else to Russia, eliminate tourism. disguised as a threat to the Russians. let then decide who is to blame for the genocide
    1. alexsipin
      alexsipin 2 December 2017 22: 50 New
      0
      Quote: aries2200
      refuse to carry a tomato

      Well, the Turks will survive the tomato ride, but restrictions on imports, it will be unprofitable for them.
  22. Bazilevs81
    Bazilevs81 2 December 2017 23: 18 New
    +3
    I agree that in the 1st world allies the British themselves provoked the Turks, thanks to the Armenians, and in the 90s, the Armenian world diaspora influenced the "humpbacked" and chopped off their territories.
    1. Karen
      Karen 2 December 2017 23: 32 New
      +2
      Vasya, (censorship), shut your mouth,
    2. Alexander Petrov1
      Alexander Petrov1 3 December 2017 18: 51 New
      0
      And by the way, somewhere I read that Turkey almost became part of the USSR under Lenin, if I'm wrong, then refute me !?
  23. The comment was deleted.
  24. zelenii75
    zelenii75 3 December 2017 04: 52 New
    0
    Quote: Pirogov
    Quote: Going
    Alexander, good afternoon! hi Erdogan is more profitable for us than a US puppet who could replace him.

    Can I talk about the benefits in more detail? My opinion is if the Turks are better than the enemies than ,,, friends ,,,,. To have such friends, enemies is not necessary.

    But Russia didn’t have friends, really, only envious ones! The tsar also said: "Russia has two friends: the army and the navy!"
  25. LAWNER
    LAWNER 3 December 2017 16: 08 New
    0
    Ossetia and Karabakh are part of the Armed Forces of Russia ..... Oops ..! Topic minimized
  26. Alexander Petrov1
    Alexander Petrov1 3 December 2017 18: 48 New
    +1
    And I want you-Pamela Anderson and what !?
  27. garnik
    garnik 3 December 2017 18: 58 New
    +1
    Quotation: blooded man
    Quote: garnik
    For your information, Nicholas 2 was on the territory of Armenia, after protests from the Armenian side (wise men wanted to subordinate Armenia to Georgia, figuratively speaking.), In order to resolve the problem on the spot.

    Do you understand what nonsense you wrote? In the Republic of Ingushetia there were no Georgia, Armenia, Tatarstan and other s and s. How can one attach that which is not to that which is also not? But under Nicholas II, the Armenians were denied settlement of Kars, moreover, a program was adopted to settle these lands with Cossacks and Old Believers. The same was supposed to be done on other lands (Erzurum) that were supposed to move from Turkey to the Republic of Ingushetia after the WWII.

    TALKING SPEAKING. You missed. About the refusal to populate Kars with Armenians is nonsense. I would like to read the source of lies. Armenian troops were at the forefront of the Russian army, and Van practically took it with the support of Russian artillery. This is from Azeri sources, since those who took the city of Van toughly dealt with its defenders.
    And even if you are right, you probably wanted to relocate the Armenians to the Tambov province winked I don’t think so. In all Asian colonies of Russia, Armenians along with Russians brought education to the local population. But no one was going to expel the locals from the cities; they simply were not ready to live in the cities. For example, in the 50s, my uncle, a studentback driver, when leaving the city in a car, a group of boys immediately started running after her, almost in thigh bandages, as my uncle stopped the car to drive them, they scattered in loose.
    1. co-creator
      co-creator 4 December 2017 13: 01 New
      0
      Quote: garnik
      About the refusal to populate Kars with Armenians is nonsense. I would like to read the source of lies.

      This is reality . The land was inhabited by Molokans, Old Believers, and even the Baltic states. Armenians from other lands were not allowed there because they were the cause of separatism. Naturally, no one resettled the local Armenians.
      Quote: garnik
      And even if you are right, you probably wanted to resettle Armenians in the Tambov province, I don’t think.

      Why resettle Armenians? In Turkish Armenia, Armenians were from 30 to 40% and no one was going to expel them. Just instead of Muslims they wanted to settle Cossacks and Old Believers, not Armenians. Precisely because non-Armenians had not created their own state.
      Quote: garnik
      For example, in the 50s, my uncle, a studentback driver, when leaving the city by car, a group of guys immediately started running after her, almost in the thigh bandages, as my uncle stopped the car to drive them, they ran into loose

      what city are you writing about and who was wearing loincloths?
      Quote: garnik
      In all Asian colonies of Russia, Armenians along with Russians brought education to the local population.

      Something I don’t know a single Asian people who spoke Armenian) To whom could you bring enlightenment?
      1. garnik
        garnik 4 December 2017 14: 12 New
        +1
        The city I am writing about is located in Turkmenistan. There is such a book, "A Guide to the Turkestan Railway." issue 1905. In all cities of Turkmenistan, the second after the Russians in number were Armenians. And the city of Merv was more than half Armenian. This book lists everything from hoteliers to station managers by name, where the Armenians were far from the last. The trouble is that now Russian society is raking all non-Russians together in one pile, regardless of their attitude to Russia.
        Well, of course, where are the Armenians and where is the enlightenment? what
        1. co-creator
          co-creator 4 December 2017 14: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: garnik
          Well, of course, where are the Armenians and where is the enlightenment?

          I am in the sense that Armenian enlightenment (i.e., Armenian culture) was not in Asia.
          The fact that the Armenians were engaged in the education of other peoples, no one argues with this, they simply carried Russian culture.
          1. garnik
            garnik 4 December 2017 15: 45 New
            +1
            Armenians spread Christianity in Central Asia http://ru.1in.am/1165237.html
            Mkhitarists, on the island of St. Lazarus near Venice. There, Lord Byron studied the Armenian language.
            In Dagestan, the Armenians conducted Christian missionary work.
            Yes, and the Turks took a lot.
            In the internet. You can find a lot more of what would be a desire.
            1. co-creator
              co-creator 4 December 2017 17: 41 New
              0
              This was all before you were subjects of the Republic of Ingushetia. I'm talking about the time exactly RI.
              So Armenians have always been one of the most educated peoples, and Armenians in all countries where they lived occupied a high position in society and culture.
              1. garnik
                garnik 4 December 2017 19: 06 New
                +1
                And what difference does it make in what language to bring enlightenment to the people. Most of the Armenian leaders just showed their abilities in a foreign land, after the fall of the Cilician kingdom.
                Yes, unfortunately, they all did practically nothing for the historical homeland.
        2. FLOOD
          FLOOD 5 December 2017 07: 25 New
          +1
          .... and Turkmenistan became Armenian laughing Are you the creators of the universe? Does it yourself become ridiculous to you from this idle talk and lies?
          1. garnik
            garnik 5 December 2017 08: 21 New
            +1
            I meant that more than 50% of Armenians lived in the city of Merv, of the entire population of the city, and the Turkmens settled on the outskirts outside the cities, the only city with a Turkmen population is Geok-Tepe. There were times and in the "old city" of Baku the same percentage of Armenians lived.
            1. FLOOD
              FLOOD 5 December 2017 09: 10 New
              +1
              ... and about the old city of Erivan, do not remember at the same time? What was the relationship there?
              1. garnik
                garnik 5 December 2017 09: 35 New
                +1
                A lion with a saber is Iran. And all the territories of Transcaucasia were part of the Persian Empire.
                In general, in the province of Yerevan, Armenians made up more than half of the population, and then the Caucasian Tatars, Kurds, Russians. Yes, in Yerevan at a certain period, there were more Caucasian Tatars, but how did this happen, I don’t think that they brought enlightenment to the local people.
                And yet, during the storming of the fortress of Baku by Russian troops (under Peter 1), the city defense was held by the Tat, there was no Turkic ethnic group close there.
                1. FLOOD
                  FLOOD 5 December 2017 10: 20 New
                  +1
                  Yeah, console yourself with all sorts of fables. In short, in the vastness of the Universe there were only Armenians and many small nations, whom the Armenians enlightened, and we weren’t at all. laughing Do you sometimes compose so that the ends converge. You were not in the Caucasus until the year 1820! wink As you came, you’ll leave!
                  1. garnik
                    garnik 5 December 2017 11: 22 New
                    +1
                    If Etchmiadzin (Vagharshapat) enters the Caucasus, then there is the Etchmiadzin Cathedral built 303g. 20 kilometers from Yerevan, I would like to know where you were at that time. Yes, the story you are taught at the level. recourse
                    1. FLOOD
                      FLOOD 5 December 2017 13: 50 New
                      +1
                      There was no etchmiadzin. This place was called Uch Muejin, which means - Three fans!
                      1. garnik
                        garnik 5 December 2017 14: 08 New
                        +1
                        And the temple was built by the ancient Turks, at that time still Christians, well, well. That's for the sake of this, I registered on the site. You know the truth, I think so, but there are people who are indifferent to our showdowns and they all “swallow”. You probably count on them.
                        They gave a good education in Baku, probably you did not find those times.
                    2. FLOOD
                      FLOOD 5 December 2017 14: 31 New
                      +1
                      We have at least this story. And you rivet it yourself, rivet, already outside the Galaxy riveted and no use!
  28. co-creator
    co-creator 5 December 2017 14: 10 New
    +1
    FLOOD,
    Am I scaring you with a ban? I protect you, otherwise your blood will boil, your brain will shut off and that's it)
    You have to prove your words. You can’t prove it means lying.
    The fact that there were mercenaries on both sides is a fact.
    The fact that many Armenians served in the Ministry of Railways is also a fact. The fact that the Armenians could hire Russian soldiers and officers as mercenaries for money is quite possible.
    The fact that the regiment was actually held hostage by the Armenians is also a fact.
    The fact that our landing was forced to combat SMEs to withdraw SMEs is also a fact.
    1. FLOOD
      FLOOD 5 December 2017 14: 20 New
      +1
      I have no desire to discuss with you at all. An adult is like a person, but you’re doing scarecrows here. The point of view here may not coincide with anyone else's. The fact of the participation of the personnel of this unit in the cleaning has already been proved. It’s not worth protecting me. In January of the 90th, too, someone saved someone. Separs began in Karabakh, and people were crushed by tanks in Baku.
      1. co-creator
        co-creator 6 December 2017 08: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: TUFAN
        An adult is like a person, but you’re doing scarecrows here.

        I have 6 bans where there was not a single obscene word and no one complained about me, and you here wanted to swindle me. I warned you, that's all that is incomprehensible?
        Quote: TUFAN
        The fact of the participation of the personnel of this unit in the cleaning has already been proved.

        SOME Soviet pilots fought on your side and what's next? Does this mean all pilots fought on the side of Azerbaijan?

        Quote: TUFAN
        and people were crushed by tanks in Baku.

        again engaged in lies.
        1. FLOOD
          FLOOD 6 December 2017 09: 01 New
          0
          What do you mean wanted to swindle? If I wanted, I would swear by. Do not, as a child, wrap snot on the lip if yes ...
          You write the word "lies" a second time, aren’t you ashamed, or don’t you know about the January events of 1990?
          1. co-creator
            co-creator 6 December 2017 11: 26 New
            +1
            So if you didn’t want to, then why did you threaten) If you were banned. then who would answer me for your lies?

            In Baku or Sumgait tanks crushed people? Or I just did not understand and you wrote about something else?
  29. FLOOD
    FLOOD 5 December 2017 14: 26 New
    +1
    garnik,
    Further, with regard to the city of Uchkilis (now Echmiadzin), where the patriarchate of the Armenian Catholics is now located, today it is not enough how it ended up here. In medieval documents, this place is called precisely Uchkilis. Uchkilisa means “Three Temples” in Turkic, the same name has another name for this city - Uchmuezin (now Echmiadzin is a distorted Turkic Uch muezzin “Three muezzins” - in honor of the three main local temples of the Albanian Church).
    It would be appropriate to recall that the Albanian Catholicos, along with a small flock, moved from the plain of Cilicia (Asia Minor) to Uchkilis and its environs after 1441, when the Azerbaijani ruler Jahan Shah Kara-Koyunlu heeded their prayers and letters.
  30. FLOOD
    FLOOD 5 December 2017 14: 28 New
    0
    garnik,
    The origin of the word Erivan from Yervandavan [Yervan prognan] was deduced by Saint-Martin, who did not notice that the text of Moses Khorenskago to which he refers indicates a completely different place, near Arpachai. "
    I. Chopin also refutes another lie, now popular among Armenian authors, who are trying to argue that the medieval Erivan Khanate (abolished by the Russian authorities and included in the temporarily created Armenian region) was created and settled by Persians, not Azerbaijani Turks: “Persians in the Armenian Region no. The Muslim population there is of Tatar or Kurdish origin. ”
    1. garnik
      garnik 5 December 2017 17: 18 New
      +1
      Thank you for inviting me to read an interesting book. I would like to know, but have you read?
      I specifically wrote in brackets the real name of the city of Vagharshapat, and Echmiadzin (Descent of the Only Begotten) it already came from the name of the cathedral.
      1. FLOOD
        FLOOD 6 December 2017 09: 13 New
        0
        Persian laughing Safevid Empire mean? So it was a Turkic empire, everyone knows this, including your ancestors who distort the Turkic history for life!
        1. garnik
          garnik 6 December 2017 15: 02 New
          +1
          The Safavids had a different flag. They came from the Kurdish dynasty, and then mixed with the Turks.
          Just because the Byzantine Empire, half of its history, was ruled by Armenian dynasties, this does not mean that it is Armenian.
  31. siberalt
    siberalt 6 December 2017 21: 01 New
    0
    Syria infographic for 2016
  32. Sparkling
    Sparkling wine - Dry 7 December 2017 09: 48 New
    0
    alexsipin,
    Quote: alexsipin
    Yeah, 80 thousand people plunged in singing the Armenian folk song "ov, sirun, sirun." You yourself agree to voluntarily leave your apartment?

    It’s hard for me to understand the course of your thoughts. Have I argued somewhere that the outcome of the Azerbaijani diaspora from Armenia is good? I claimed that there were no GOGGLES in Yerevan, unlike Baku, where a crowd, with knives and axes, threw themselves at those with whom they lived side by side, peacefully for decades and even killed those Azerbaijanis who covered the Armenians.
    1. FLOOD
      FLOOD 11 December 2017 07: 51 New
      0

      Yours did this mess ...