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The Pentagon reported when the US Army abandons the M16

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In the US military, they preferred to postpone a complete refusal to use automatic rifles M16 in the US Army. Earlier in the Pentagon stated that they allocate funds for the project of "temporary transition" to the automatic arms 7,62 caliber mm. Now it is reported that the updated military-technical strategy of the United States provides for the creation of weapons of the "new generation" - without taking any temporary measures. And only after the implementation of the new project, the M16 rifle (as well as the M4 automatic carbines) will be removed from service in the US Army.


The Pentagon reported when the US Army abandons the M16


Active discussion of the need to change small arms in the American army began in the spring of this year. Then sharp criticism of the M16 rifle sounded with the statements that it was no longer effective under the conditions of modern combat. It is noted that the automatic rifle, used in fact for half a century in various modifications, has not ceased to be "capricious" in relation to the conditions of its use. In addition, at the Senate hearings, a Pentagon spokesman noted that modern defenses have become more effective in countering the 5,56 mm caliber used, and therefore the new small arms must receive a larger caliber. In particular, an example was given of the low effectiveness of the use of M16 rifles during operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is worth recalling that in the US military, the M16 was tried to be replaced several times already. However, for the time being, the proposals for one reason or another are not suitable for customers of the United States.
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  1. HEATHER
    HEATHER 2 December 2017 07: 31
    +7
    therefore, the new small arms should receive a larger caliber. Any way 7,62? sad They tried to find a replacement for M16 more than once. There’s a cool thing. Mosin’s rifle. Why don’t you like it? I don’t advise you to go to Kalashnikov. It’s dangerous.
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 2 December 2017 07: 50
      +3
      HEATHER hi - Let them buy a large batch of Chinese "Kalash" caliber 7,62 mm! lol
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 December 2017 07: 54
        +3
        let them buy a large batch of Chinese "Kalash" These parrazites reached 1000 shots per barrel. They scam in technology, do not worry about mom. Do they have any interesting sopromat? Or ours in the helpers? I do not like it.
        1. Berkut24
          Berkut24 2 December 2017 10: 49
          11
          These parrazites reached 1000 shots per barrel. They poke at technology, don't worry, mom. Are they interested in sopromat?

          With bad engineers and Kalash will give out 1000 shots. Only now, the figure in the region of 600 does not exist for technical reasons, but for tactical reasons. Wearable ammunition is limited, and a queue of more than 2-3 rounds promises guaranteed milk. The gunsmiths measure the mass of the bolt group by grams to ensure the maximum rate of fire. Then they experiment with return springs for a long time.
          1000 shots is Chinese maximalism for children. An assault rifle is not ShKAS on a turret. They still can’t find the middle ground in many directions. Well, they put a reformed engine on tanks in a tank biathlon. What happened? The tank didn’t go faster on “not straight and rough terrain”. The engines overheated, the chassis began to disassemble itself (they lost the rink, the rubber on the rinks went into rags). Biathlon lost. So do not look at the Chinese yet. If they have "under", then "re".
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 December 2017 13: 14
            +5
            Berkut24 Of course, I am very grateful for the enlightenment. But I wrote about the survivability of the barrel of a Chinese fake, and not the probable cause of constant fire of 1000 rounds.Only now, the figure in the region of 600 does not exist for technical reasons, but for tactical reasons. Do not tell me what kind of digital is it? Rate of fire, however? This applies to our trunks. And not everyone shot at the shooting range. Many of them are real. Our little more than 1000 infections are kept. For 20-30 stores in 10 hours we had to shoot. And not one the barrel was not decommissioned. Damn. Not Chinese were.
            1. Genry
              Genry 2 December 2017 14: 18
              +4
              You wrote a clumsy welter of Type:
              Quote: VERESK
              Ours hold a little more than 1000 at a time.

              There is no concept of terminology. It’s hard for you to understand how a student is talking to a child.
              1. HEATHER
                HEATHER 2 December 2017 14: 21
                0
                A thousand apologies. Enlighten me. In PM.
            2. Berkut24
              Berkut24 2 December 2017 15: 14
              +1
              Do not tell me what kind of digital? Rate of fire, however?

              Yes.
              As for the Chinese, we once built a plant for them and gave recipes for the production of steel. The issue of their adherence to technology is already from another song. But for the army, they try not to be naughty.
    2. tol100v
      tol100v 2 December 2017 07: 52
      +3
      Quote: VERESK
      They tried to find a replacement for M16 more than once.

      With the budget of the Pentagon, they will try to develop the "M-35", by analogy with the F-35, and will work very hard for a long time!
      1. HEATHER
        HEATHER 2 December 2017 07: 59
        +4
        M-35, similar to F-35 More likely AK-104 by analogy of SU-27.and will work very long time tirelessly! File with a chisel - and no problem.
        1. novel66
          novel66 2 December 2017 09: 13
          +5
          they don’t know how to do this - that’s the problem
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 December 2017 09: 20
            +3
            Novel! drinks These are the sheriff’s problems. laughing
            1. novel66
              novel66 2 December 2017 22: 09
              +4
              perhaps our occupation troops will teach them how to work with their hands and love their homeland? drinks
      2. 210ox
        210ox 2 December 2017 08: 05
        +9
        And what do they have? Yes, do not care. The main thing here is with us! How many years canoe between AK and AEK lasts?
        1. RF man
          RF man 2 December 2017 12: 00
          +2
          Quote: 210ox
          The main thing here is with us! How many years canoe between AK and AEK lasts?

          Yes, we have exactly the same as ours - from about the same years, everything has been going on.
          And the requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the USA were initially similar - an increase in combat effectiveness by about 2 times, compared with the current model. Despite the fact that for decades there have been no global breakthroughs in the construction of cartridges and small arms.
          If AEK would give a real (and NOT "mathematical") advantage in battle, justifying rearmament, they would have long been accepted. Well, at least some units were transferred to it.
          1. RF man
            RF man 2 December 2017 12: 03
            0

            Here is a comrade of one of the “chosen” special missions of the Russian Federation - it would seem that at least they should not be stopped by AEK?
            Obviously NOT a matter of money
    3. Primoos
      Primoos 2 December 2017 09: 04
      +5
      Here is how it can be combined? Money, like d. Aurak’s shag, but they can’t make a normal gun. They are worn with this M-16, as the horseradish already knows how many years with a written shell And the same will be worn. Ameritsa is rapidly becoming dull.
      1. RF man
        RF man 3 December 2017 14: 33
        0
        Quote: Primoos
        Here is how it can be combined? Money, like d. Aurak’s shag, but they can’t make a normal gun. They are worn with this M-16, as the horseradish already knows how many years with a written shell And the same will be worn. Ameritsa is rapidly becoming dull.

        It’s not a matter of money, but the absence of fundamental constructive solutions that could REALLY increase combat effectiveness.
        He applied the photo for a simple purpose - IF there was a weapon that, although it would have increased the probability of survival of the guarded person by 5%, then our presidential special forces would rearm and AEK and they would have made any cartridge with at least 6,5 caliber.
        Do not forget that when it was NECESSARY, then our TWO lines of special weapons were released under THREE different standard sizes of cartridges. And there are even more developed ammunition.
        1. RF man
          RF man 3 December 2017 14: 40
          0
          Quote: RF Man
          TWO lines of special weapons released under THREE different cartridge sizes

          That would not immediately "stumble" I will make a reservation that I did not take the "line" under 12,7x55 into account ..
    4. parkello
      parkello 2 December 2017 09: 57
      +5
      most likely they will switch to 6,5 mm. but the fact that 223 rem ... ladies' caliber, this has long been said.
      1. Yoshi
        Yoshi 2 December 2017 10: 54
        +3
        or maybe at 6,8
        You are right.
        1. Archon
          Archon 3 December 2017 10: 07
          +1
          They will go to the bolters
  2. zzdimk
    zzdimk 2 December 2017 07: 31
    +9
    Like donkeys on a grinder - everything is in a circle. Increase-decrease-increase ... A new composition of gunpowder will appear - reduce. New remedies - increase.
  3. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 2 December 2017 07: 32
    +1
    Their military, before inserting the store, you need to knock on their helmet, and so make it so that you would have to beat harder and harder and for longer.
  4. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 2 December 2017 07: 36
    +7
    And here the furniture maker actively destroyed 7,62. Did you complete the Pentagon mission? wassat
  5. bistrov.
    bistrov. 2 December 2017 07: 41
    +1
    Actually, it is not clear yet which way the improvement of small arms will go.
  6. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 2 December 2017 07: 41
    +4
    Stealth, this is the main thing. The rifle should be in the shape of an iron.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2017 07: 41
    +5
    They, with their M-16, as if with a written shell, rush about from the beginning of the Vietnam War. There were too many critical reviews from the army. Therefore, the manual rammer was forced to add, later the store capacity was increased to 30 pat., The barrel bore rusted. The adoption of something new was decided through lobbying and kickbacks.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 2 December 2017 08: 07
      +8
      Gennady, welcome! hi
      Recently, on the SovSec channel, a documentary film was dedicated to the formation of the AR-15 family. So there everything you listed was documented, plus many more interesting things like "pushing" the M-16 into the troops. And what an advertising campaign they did - a sight for sore eyes! As for the replacement of the M-16, this is definitely a long song: the USA has too many of them. And even if they finally choose an alternative, then at the same time all the M-16s will not be replaced - it will stretch for years.
      1. Sergey53
        Sergey53 2 December 2017 08: 19
        +2
        Why change everything? They will buy as much as they need, and all the deeds. And the decommissioned ones will be handed over to "Ukraine, of course, not free of charge."
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 2 December 2017 08: 24
          +6
          We are talking about the complete abandonment of the M-16, which implies its complete replacement in the army.
          1. HEATHER
            HEATHER 2 December 2017 08: 56
            +1
            To Patton? belay .............
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 2 December 2017 09: 04
              +5
              lol And it will be known when / if they choose a replacement.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 2 December 2017 10: 12
        +3
        Greetings, Maxim! hi
        And what an advertising campaign they did - a sight for sore eyes!

        In, in and I about the same. Regarding the replacement, you are right - it will stretch for years. The main thing we know is that of assault rifles (machine guns) our best.
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 2 December 2017 10: 19
          +6
          Quote: rotmistr60
          The main thing we know is that of assault rifles (machine guns) our best.

          This is even recognized by American SFs, albeit behind the scenes. I remember that during the Desert Storm, the Americans allowed us to shoot a report about the marines aboard their aircraft carrier. So they directly said that upon arrival in Iraq they will replace their M-4A1 with captured AK-47s. And not because of the greater availability of ammunition, namely because of reliability.
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 2 December 2017 07: 52
    +3
    They will procrastinate this topic for many years to come. And the most important thing is that they will knock out money, create new weapons, reject them according to a number of those or other parameters, and everything will go around again. ....
  9. Vintovkin
    Vintovkin 2 December 2017 07: 57
    +3
    Quote: Herkulesich
    And most importantly, they’ll knock out money, create new weapons,

    That’s exactly what it will be, but they will not modernize the ancient AK with the help of picattini slats and other crap hi
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 2 December 2017 08: 55
      +3
      We have not put Piccatini slats inside the trunk! wassat
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 2 December 2017 08: 59
      +4
      Vintovkin, is this your pseudonym or real surname? I worked in the 90s in a company where there were exactly two namesakes with that last name, which is why I am interested in !!!! hi
      1. Vintovkin
        Vintovkin 2 December 2017 09: 01
        +1
        Pseudo) Schaub site orientation consistent) drinks
  10. Vintovkin
    Vintovkin 2 December 2017 08: 03
    +1
    Quote: rotmistr60
    They rush about with their M-16

    What to take from them - loshars) Hugo Schmeisser did not have time to get his hands on it ...
  11. Sergey53
    Sergey53 2 December 2017 08: 26
    +1
    Everything that we have just written here, reminded you, doesn’t remind you of anything today? The analogy is not visible?
  12. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 2 December 2017 08: 42
    +7
    Oh, these stories about the "capriciousness" AR'ki ...
    1. Yoshi
      Yoshi 2 December 2017 10: 53
      0
      ... and for a long time there are models with a barrel under 7,62 by 51
  13. Fitter65
    Fitter65 2 December 2017 10: 27
    +2
    Well, soon the APU will be just like Rimbaud will be. All polls are with M16. It's not Colorado with your Kalash, Europe. Well, you really can’t really dispose of such a mass of M16, they will put it in order to help the Ukrainian army (I apologize for the expression) under IMF loans 404th in the form of financial assistance. laughing laughing laughing
  14. Yoshi
    Yoshi 2 December 2017 10: 51
    +1
    I think that the comrade Pentagon has the right direction of thought.
    But the question, as he correctly understands, is not in caliber, but in effectiveness.
    A successful solution will lead to an increase in effective range, and this, in comparison with the existing samples, will give up to about 200 m lead. If you don’t get angry, but definitely don’t get angry, at the adoption of various interesting bullets, which the United States has already done so, then I would advise the “partners” to “take a closer look and more careful” ... In such situations, tactics and battle formations will change.
  15. Altona
    Altona 2 December 2017 12: 02
    +2
    Now it is reported that the updated US military-technical strategy provides for the creation of “new generation” weapons - without taking any temporary measures.
    ---------------------------------------------
    Elon Mask now has a new startup. laughing hi
  16. Disorder
    Disorder 2 December 2017 12: 26
    +1
    Grandfather Fedorov offered a caliber of 6.5 mm. No .... it was necessary to frighten pen.dosovsky.
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 2 December 2017 13: 33
    +5
    Caliber will hardly change. They will replace M4 with NK416, like marines. It gives less misfires, more dirt-water-resistant.
    1. RF man
      RF man 2 December 2017 15: 40
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      They will replace M4 with NK416, as marines

      So soon it will become a new NATO standard-).
      Well, maybe 3-4 countries decide to support the "domestic producer" -)
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Caliber will hardly change.

      Well yes. These intentions probably 20-25 years
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 2 December 2017 18: 31
      +1
      We'll have to change the caliber of small arms, armor penetration needs to be improved somehow, otherwise it will be like with knights smile , pierce neither with an arrow, nor pierce with a spear, nor hack - armor however! Try to dig out of this. laughing
      1. RF man
        RF man 2 December 2017 20: 49
        +3
        Quote: sharp-lad
        We'll have to change the caliber of small arms, armor penetration needs to be improved somehow

        Somehow, one comrade was puzzled why they were assigned 7N24 to the unit when their regular 22nd “punched anything” ... (although, of course, the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs rarely have counterparts in the BZ and often do not fight at ranges of over 100 m) .
        And on our 7N39 even the Armed Forces of Ukraine complained more than once - supposedly they shot them poor together with the BZ.
        In one video of 2014 there was a moment when the door bulletproof glass pierces with one bullet and obviously not 12.7. It’s not clear what they shot from, but judging by the plot, from a minimum of tens of meters ..
    3. The brightest
      The brightest 3 December 2017 11: 13
      +1
      Zionist fascists ... read again.
      In addition, at a Senate hearing, a Pentagon representative noted that modern defenses have become more effective in resisting the 5,56 mm caliber used, and therefore new small arms should receive a larger caliber. In particular, an example was given about the low efficiency of the use of M16 rifles during operations in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  18. erased
    erased 2 December 2017 14: 45
    +2
    Of course, the complete replacement of the main small arms of the army is a costly affair. Even the states will not pull right away. But at least they understood that 5,56 is no longer a channel. And we still have 5,45 taxis. The new cartridges 7n39 and 7n40 made, however, it is not known whether they can penetrate the same body armor of the Warrior? But there is no way to return to 7,62. Although there is already a cartridge 7H23. And if you figured out a new type of gunpowder and at least, by analogy with the American cartridge 0.300 Blackout, did something new, then the cartridge 7,62x39 would become not only more accurate, but also more powerful. And do not need something special for him, there is the AK-103, it seems to be like the AK-15. But ... things are still there.
    1. RF man
      RF man 2 December 2017 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: erased
      But at least they understood that 5,56 is no longer a channel.

      For a long time 5,56x45 scolded, but no one has yet been massively replaced. Like our 5,45x39
      If they were so bad, they would have long refused. And the real "users" who protect the BOTH of the cartridge patron are no less than the opponents.
      1. bunta
        bunta 2 December 2017 22: 48
        +3
        Quote: RF Man
        Would be so bad - would have long refused

        Hm. You can refuse only when there is an alternative. Before that, you have to endure, no matter how bad things are.
        1. RF man
          RF man 3 December 2017 10: 59
          0
          Quote: bunta
          You can refuse only when there is an alternative. Before that you have to endure

          Yes, the fact of the matter is that there is no substantially better alternative.
          The United States just accepted its 5,56x45 for a reason.
          Ours conducted tests and chose from a number of samples. Weapons under 5,45x39 compared to their counterparts under 7,62x39 turned out to be better in the "totality of indicators" by 1,2-1,5 times. We took into account everything - from the weight of the BC to the lower cost of materials for production. Well accepted.
          In comparison with AKM, the AK-74 does not give any direct global advantages in combat and IT was known from the very beginning. Accepted CONSCIOUSLY. But it’s also pointless to return back
          AK-74 is slightly better - in terms of flatness, time of transferring fire from one target to another, etc.

          And comparative tests with calibers of 6,5-7 mm were already enough. And with us and over the neck. And the story there is SIMILAR - according to certain indicators they are better than 5,6, BUT they will NOT give any real advantages in battle.
          Therefore, they do not pass. What's the use?
          And they will switch to 6,5, so the defending 5,6 will be surprised “why was it necessary at all?”, And the fans of 7,6 - “we still don’t have enough” ...
          1. RF man
            RF man 3 December 2017 11: 16
            0

            Do you recognize? Samples from the contest 35 years ago.
            Only then did they advocate REDUCING the caliber and weight of the bullet.

            Well, the United States can still be understood. Having met opponents with AK in the battle, plus delays during intensive shooting, they again decided to change the rifle, but at the same time thought about a larger caliber - what if it helps? -). And ours, why ...
            We already had it somewhere in the years 80-82 - they tested it. The AK-74 was left, but other cartridges appeared.
  19. Div Divich
    Div Divich 2 December 2017 18: 25
    +1
    Automatically rechargeable rifle - a device made under the cartridge.

    I have ideas on how to make new striking shells. But I think many also have ideas, if the generals would have a desire to realize ...
  20. Vintovkin
    Vintovkin 2 December 2017 18: 35
    0
    Quote: sharp-lad
    Try

    Why are you showing the secret form of the "Warrior"?
  21. ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 3 December 2017 14: 38
    +7
    As I understand it, until the M-16 is changed, there will be no big war.
  22. k_ply
    k_ply 4 December 2017 08: 52
    0
    Quote: Man of the Russian Federation
    ... Samples from the contest 35 years ago.

    25th year old, closer.
    1. RF man
      RF man 4 December 2017 10: 25
      0
      Quote: k_ply
      25th year old, closer.

      Yes, I made a mistake. I found an old reference book with samples, but the test year itself is not indicated there. And the 1992 manual itself. Well, plus or minus on the creation / publication-)
      Probably confused the years of competitions with the “pistol” when they took Beretta-)