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Repair begins TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"

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Commander of the North fleet Russian Federation Nikolay Evmenov announced preparations for the start of repair of the Admiral Kuznetsov heavy aircraft-carrying missile cruiser. Evmenov's statement is quoted by the news agency Interfax:
He has already been put in for repair, now preparatory measures are taking place, he is at the ship repair enterprise. Everything goes according to plans, no transfers are allowed.



The commander of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation noted that the participation of the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR in distant campaigns in the near future is not planned.

Repair begins TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov"


Earlier it was reported that the repair of the only aircraft carrier of the Russian Navy will begin in 2018 year, but the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) said they are ready to start repair procedures this year.

About exactly which segments of the ship will be subject to repair in the first place, not officially reported. According to some information, we can talk about repair work on the power plants of a warship and the modernization of its radio equipment.

Recall that the TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" performed combat missions off the coast of the Syrian Arab Republic.
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  1. I doubt it
    I doubt it 1 December 2017 12: 29 New
    15
    By 2030 it will be ready ...
    At the same time, money will be overspended eight times, the deadlines will be postponed three times and ripped off, half of the target will be completed ...
    Guilty, as always, will not be found.
    1. Zibelew
      Zibelew 1 December 2017 12: 33 New
      13
      Quote: I doubt it
      By 2030 it will be ready ...

      The main process has begun. By the way, look at the exemplary condition of the territory of the plant.
      1. The_lancet
        The_lancet 1 December 2017 12: 41 New
        +7
        By the way, look at the exemplary condition of the plant

        Bad condition sad .You wanted to say that?
        And will ship repair be carried out there?
        On board the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr there is a flight prototype of our stealth bomber. Unfortunately, due to the collapse of the USSR, the documentation was sold to the Americans. So they got F-117

        The first flight of the F-117 is 1981
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 1 December 2017 12: 55 New
          +9
          The devastation in the territory. Photo of new boilers for an aircraft carrier.

          Quote: The_Lancet
          The first flight of the F-117 is 1981
          Well, I joked that F-117 repeat
          1. Zibelew
            Zibelew 1 December 2017 12: 56 New
            +7
            Cauldron close up
            1. AID.S
              AID.S 1 December 2017 13: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: Zibelew
              Cauldron close up

              Simmens? laughing
            2. alexhol
              alexhol 1 December 2017 18: 06 New
              +1
              This is not a cauldron.
      2. Zibelew
        Zibelew 1 December 2017 12: 42 New
        15
        On board the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr there is a flight prototype of our stealth bomber. Unfortunately, due to the collapse of the USSR, the documentation was sold to the Americans. So they got F-117
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 1 December 2017 12: 56 New
          +6
          Quote: Zibelew
          On board the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr there is a flight prototype of our stealth bomber.

          Judging by the musical key on the fuselage-squadron Titarenko ... "the Old Men are going to battle."
        2. alexmach
          alexmach 1 December 2017 15: 05 New
          +2
          Class.
          But what can you tell me? What kind of layout? For training on rolling out onto the flight deck?
        3. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 2 December 2017 02: 11 New
          +6
          Quote: Zibelew
          On board the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr there is a flight prototype of our stealth bomber. Unfortunately, due to the collapse of the USSR, the documentation was sold to the Americans. So they got F-117

          Well, do not joke like that, otherwise Lancet believed it seems and got into google. You do not upset him please, otherwise he still has google Russian roots will find p upset repeat
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 1 December 2017 12: 33 New
      +5
      Well this is ridiculous. It was under repair for so many years, then, with grief in half, it sailed into the Mediterranean Sea. And again, a long-term repair. It may be more appropriate to write off from the existing composition of the Navy, and use it as a training
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 December 2017 12: 35 New
        +8
        The boilers of the power plant will be replaced on it, instead of the Granit missile system, a more modern Caliber will be installed, in addition, the combat information system and the air defense system of the ship will be updated.


        Good overhaul, and you are ready to write off.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 1 December 2017 14: 38 New
          +1
          None of the above, at least for now, will be done.
          The estimate, to clarify the situation, was halved - only for repairs.
          1. VALERIK_097
            VALERIK_097 1 December 2017 18: 07 New
            +1
            Alex, do you think that it’s already RV (repair list is ready)? I doubt it.
            It is not clear what kind of repair: dock, VTG or medium. Or, as always, before declare in the repair process.
          2. alexhol
            alexhol 1 December 2017 18: 09 New
            +2
            Вkind even rename
      2. askort154
        askort154 1 December 2017 12: 38 New
        +6
        Chertt .....Well, this is ridiculous. It was under repair for so many years, then, with grief in half, it sailed into the Mediterranean Sea. And again, a long-term repair. ..

        It would be funny if it were not so sad.
        It seems that Kuzya came to us from the USSR, like a suitcase without a handle.
      3. Serg65
        Serg65 1 December 2017 13: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: Chertt
        Well this is ridiculous

        It’s funny when you bought a scooter, and on that very day the wheel fell off! "Kuznetsov" was born when the country wrote from McDonald's with apple syrup, and the presence in the hands of Coca-Cola gave a 100% option to write off the girl! He was born defective and for 25 years the country could not cure this defect, God forbid, they will restore health!
        1. VALERIK_097
          VALERIK_097 1 December 2017 18: 48 New
          +2
          Serge, and how old he was in Vidyaevo, little was brought to mind when the “rebel Admiral” left the outskirts, when there was no information about him. so at 25.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 2 December 2017 07: 29 New
            +5
            Quote: VALERIK_097
            when the "rebel Admiral" left the outskirts

            laughing Well, in the first place there was no "rebellious Admiral"! Kuznetsov left as planned with a preliminary order of the straits and in accordance with the combat order of the General Staff of the Navy! The senior on board was Rear Admiral Vasily Eremin, commander of the 7th OPESK SF, Kuznetsova was escorted by the Prytlivy missile system and a tugboat, and with the exit from the Dardanelles, the Skoriy BPC, which was at that time part of 5- th OpEsk. At point 64, the aircraft carrier received fuel from our Bubnov tanker, and after the Strait of Gibraltar, the Vigilant (BF) and the Udaloy BF (SF) entered into its guard. And the tales of rebellion are for raising the spirit of the Russian electorate!
            Quote: VALERIK_097
            Serge, and how many years he was in Vidyaevo, little brought to mind

            Excuse me, but below there are comments by Andrey from Chelyabinsk about all repairs of Kuznetsov, I don’t see any reason to repeat hi
      4. Burbon
        Burbon 1 December 2017 14: 15 New
        +5
        Quote: Chertt
        then, with grief in half, sailed to the Mediterranean

        waste products float, and ships go
        Quote: Chertt
        It may be more appropriate to write off from the existing composition of the Navy, and use it as a training
        thanks to people like you - in 90 they have already written off everything, carrier-based aviation - to be!
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 1 December 2017 14: 23 New
          +1
          Burbon Something you, somehow weirdly started talking, Unlike previous comments, Sorry if I'm mistaken .... But didn’t Papa come back from work and didn’t drive him away from the computer?
          1. Burbon
            Burbon 1 December 2017 14: 28 New
            +2
            Quote: Chertt
            Something you, somehow weirdly started talking

            are you alright? when and where would I write anything bad about our Navy? .... especially about Kuzya? and please do not be rude, it is punishable
            1. Chertt
              Chertt 1 December 2017 15: 02 New
              +1
              There wasn’t any rudeness, you were mistaken, I said about changing your rhetoric, since I watched your disputes, in particular with the Jedi ... but not the point .. The other day, the annual meeting of the President and the highest military about the military budget took place. And, as far as one can judge, there will be a new Aircraft Carrier, And again, as far as one can judge, in the form of an Aircraft Carrier. On this occasion, there were my comments
      5. seti
        seti 1 December 2017 14: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        Well this is ridiculous. It was under repair for so many years, then, with grief in half, it sailed into the Mediterranean Sea. And again, a long-term repair. It may be more appropriate to write off from the existing composition of the Navy, and use it as a training

        And replace it with what? He still floats longer than you pass. We must not forget that his main problem is the power plant has already got to us in a diseased state. So you need to treat her from time to time. And in one tidy up the whole ship.
        And the fact that for so many years they do not want to invest in infrastructure / support, arranging their corner of the ship is certainly sad.
      6. Roman 11
        Roman 11 1 December 2017 17: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Chertt
        It may be more appropriate to write off from the existing composition of the Navy, and use it as a training

        Boilers will deliver and will float like new, thermonuclear laughing
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 1 December 2017 17: 39 New
          +1
          Well, as they say, give Allah, give Allah wink
    3. The_lancet
      The_lancet 1 December 2017 12: 34 New
      +5
      The commander of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation noted that the participation of the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR in distant campaigns in the near future is not planned.

      In this case, does it make sense to repair it at all?
      Based on the experience gained and with the help of China, create a new ship
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 1 December 2017 12: 36 New
        +3
        In China, a billion live, and they can afford it. We have shipyards loaded with work.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 1 December 2017 12: 58 New
          +2
          "Americans still can't"
          Well, where are the poor Americans against the power of the Kuzi. With his smoke any bourgeois will defeat
          1. Primoos
            Primoos 1 December 2017 13: 11 New
            12
            The whole pin.dostan army and the entire NATO shobla tried not to get close to this smoking, the only one that somehow didn’t drown. If you are such, so what will happen to you when it comes out of repair? The crow flew around, bowed. In verbiage they compete. The Russian ship completed its combat mission! This is the main thing! And where were your shitty irons? Shit around the corner? Shut your mouth! You shit against Russian sailors.
          2. hrych
            hrych 1 December 2017 13: 18 New
            +8
            Quote: xetai9977
            With his smoke any bourgeois will defeat

            And how many aircraft carriers have Ilham? Probably do not smoke at all wassat
            1. shans2
              shans2 1 December 2017 13: 35 New
              +3
              Amerika is with us! (from)
      2. hrych
        hrych 1 December 2017 13: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: The_Lancet
        Based on the experience gained and with the help of China, create a new ship

        So far, all the aircraft carriers of India (Vikramaditya - Gorshkov) and China (Liaoning - Varyag), which are in service, have made our own Shandun, which is launched and also copies Varyag, everyone left the project as Kuznetsov, namely 1143 "Gyrfalcon " Soon, at least 4 aircraft-carrying cruisers created under one project will threaten American interests. Therefore, your replica is not entirely appropriate. If the Indians abandoned the strike weapons and air defense systems, anti-aircraft defense in favor of the wing, then the Chinese anti-aircraft defense, anti-aircraft defense did. Kuznetsov, carries 12 anti-ship missiles, which will undoubtedly be exchanged for supersonic Onyx and hypersonic Zircons, as well as strategic ones in the arsenal (in addition to the modernization of the power plant uniquely), air defense and anti-aircraft defense will also be strengthened by modern systems. Therefore, after modernization, it is expected that a very formidable and unique Cruiser with the capabilities of an air wing and powerful shock, thanks to the long-range and naturally nuclear missiles. In fact, it will be the most powerful and versatile ship. U.S. aircraft carriers - floating airfields and cannot operate outside the AOG, air defense, anti-ship, anti-ship and strategic-strike weapons are carried by other vessels of the compound. The cruiser is capable of completing a combat mission on its own.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 1 December 2017 15: 10 New
          +2
          Air defense? and what kind of Kuzi air defense besides airplanes? Daggers or what?
          12 missiles as of now is almost nothing.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 December 2017 15: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: alexmach
            Air defense? and what kind of Kuzi air defense besides airplanes? Daggers or what?

            Well, air defense (or missile defense, to be more precise, the blacksmiths is designed to protect against anti-ship missiles attacking it) is very good - here are Daggers, Daggers, and metal cutters .. this distinguishes the ship from the US Air Force without overloading it with additional equipment.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 1 December 2017 15: 45 New
              +2
              And .. there is also a "Dagger" and separate "metal cutting". Really diverse short-range missile defense
          2. hrych
            hrych 1 December 2017 16: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: alexmach
            12 missiles as of now is almost nothing.

            It depends on what. Semi-megaton Granite is a terrible tool so far. Now they will of course be replaced, but with Caliber, you can burn a city, a base, a connection of ships at a distance of a couple of thousand or more kilometers.
        2. I doubt it
          I doubt it 1 December 2017 15: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: hrych

          So far, all aircraft carriers of India ... and China ... are made by us

          Only in Russia there is nothing and is not expected. And yes, we are proud of course.
          Quote: hrych

          ... Soon, at least 4 aircraft-carrying cruisers ... will threaten American interests.

          Rather ours. America will survive. Does Pacific Fleet have something to oppose?
          Quote: hrych
          ... Kuznetsov, carries 12 anti-ship missiles ... supersonic Onyxes and hypersonic Zircons

          It would be better if he carried the Yak-44, a few pieces ... There would be much more benefit.
          Quote: hrych
          ... In essence, it will be the most powerful and versatile ship. US aircraft carriers - floating airfields ...

          Everything universal is obviously worse than special. The floating airfield will reliably cover the squad of ships. "The most powerful and versatile," no. Just based on the qualitative and quantitative composition of the wing. And air is a very serious argument.
          Quote: hrych
          ... The cruiser is capable of completing a combat mission on its own.

          In our reality, yes. To send a huge ship without combat guard - this is ours! And he will carry out the combat mission on his own. Most likely for the first and last time .... "Without interaction, there is no victory!"
          1. hrych
            hrych 1 December 2017 16: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: I doubt it
            And he will carry out the combat mission on his own. Most likely for the first and last time ...

            Caliber and again Caliber wassat Do not even go into the active zone of the anti-ship defense of the enemy laughing
        3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 December 2017 15: 26 New
          +7
          Quote: hrych
          The cruiser is capable of completing a combat mission on its own.

          The cruiser has NO combat missions, which he perform independently. Its key task is to provide air defense of diverse forces striking at AUG
          1. hrych
            hrych 1 December 2017 16: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The cruiser has NO combat missions, which he perform independently.

            Cruiser - a class of surface combat ships capable of completing missions regardless of the main fleet ... He is by definition laughing
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 December 2017 16: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: hrych
              He is by definition

              Sorry, but guided by this logic it’s easy to prove ... well, for example, take TSB
              Ship - In modern Russian, the term "K." applied to military vessels of all classes

              Does this mean that a torpedo boat can be called a battleship? :))))
              I'll tell you more - in the marine dictionary
              A ship - (gr. - karabos) - the same as a ship, i.e. floating facility for the transport of passengers and goods, water craft, mining, as well as for military purposes
              .
              That is, the battleship we have, by definition, a little more and a tourist liner laughing
              In general, be nice and do not pull words out of context. "Kuznetsov" is not a cruiser, but a heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, from this and push off in search of definitions :)
              1. hrych
                hrych 1 December 2017 17: 01 New
                +1
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                In general, be nice and do not pull words out of context.

                He undoubtedly provides air defense, FFP and PLO to the compound, but why do you refuse him to yourself? smile
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 December 2017 17: 13 New
                  +9
                  (thinking) But would you write me a short series of statistics about our one and only? laughing
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 1 December 2017 17: 36 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    But do not write me a small series of statistics about our one and only?

                    We ask, we ask! laughing good
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 December 2017 12: 31 New
    +1
    The commander of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation noted that the participation of the Admiral Kuznetsov TAVKR in distant campaigns in the near future is not planned.

    ... well, if they plan to disassemble and modernize, then what kind of "long-distance hikes" he ... for a long time at the pier ...
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 1 December 2017 12: 59 New
      +9
      For want of otherwise, this needs to be modernized. But it’s easier to put into scrap metal - go ask Ukraine. wink
      1. Going
        Going 1 December 2017 13: 08 New
        +9
        Maxim, good afternoon! hi too many who want to cut it, why would it?
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 1 December 2017 13: 11 New
          +5
          Hello Victor! hi From the fact that some were told that Russia does not need an aircraft carrier, from the word "in general." negative
          1. Going
            Going 1 December 2017 13: 14 New
            13
            And who will ask them, let them sit straight. Here are the indicators:

            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            I read the comments, and just "admire". People are expensive, at least take Wikipedia and see when Kuznetsov was being repaired.
            The ship has been in operation since 1991. The first repair - 1996-8, not serious, was delayed due to lack of funding
            The year 2001-04 is in average repair. Again, it could be done much faster, they would give money on time
            2008 - 7 months in repair
            2015 - 4 months in repair
            2016 - 6 months in repair
            From 1991 g to 2017 g, for a second, 26 years have passed NO REPAIR! And in other repairs the ship stood for less than 7 years, i.e. less than 28% of the total time, and that is mainly in the 90-th beginning of the 2000-x because there was no money and repairs were drawn to infinity. Yes, any US AB will be jealous of him, with such a KOH laughing
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 1 December 2017 13: 18 New
              +8
              I fully support Andrei from Chelyabinsk and plus him! good
              1. Going
                Going 1 December 2017 13: 20 New
                +9
                So everything will be fine with Kuzey, he will still serve.
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 1 December 2017 13: 28 New
                  +6
                  To spite all the spiteful critics and buryers. yes
                  1. Going
                    Going 1 December 2017 13: 30 New
                    10
                    Yes, nobody pays attention to them, let the United States continue to envy.
              2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 December 2017 15: 01 New
                +4
                Thank:)))) hi
  3. mvg
    mvg 1 December 2017 12: 36 New
    +7
    A couple of months in service, he drowned a couple of fighters, inflicted "unacceptable damage" on Daesh and again, to his "native" place, in the dry dock, for repairs. Another 40+ billion rubles to swell.
    He is being repaired, modernized and will show the adversaries "Kuzma Mama".
    PS: It’s too rude in the way.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 1 December 2017 14: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Going
      And who will ask them, let them sit straight. Here are the indicators:

      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      I read the comments, and just "admire". People are expensive, at least take Wikipedia and see when Kuznetsov was being repaired.
      The ship has been in operation since 1991. The first repair - 1996-8, not serious, was delayed due to lack of funding
      The year 2001-04 is in average repair. Again, it could be done much faster, they would give money on time
      2008 - 7 months in repair
      2015 - 4 months in repair
      2016 - 6 months in repair
      From 1991 to 2017, for a second, 26 years have passed NONE OF THE REPAIR! And in other repairs the ship stood for less than 7 years, i.e. less than 28% of the total time, and that is mainly in the 90s of the beginning of the 2000s because there was no money and repairs dragged on to infinity. Yes, any US AB will be jealous of him, with such a KOH-oh laughing
  4. Jack O'Neill
    Jack O'Neill 1 December 2017 12: 39 New
    +1
    Yes, cut it and forget it. But Avik (full), of course, is necessary if we want to be in the ocean as a maritime power.
    It is easier to build a new full-fledged avik than to tinker with Kuzey. Shake the servants of the people, there will be money.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 1 December 2017 12: 41 New
      +7
      It’s easier to build a new full-fledged avik than to mess with Kuzey.


      start with afternoon

      Shake the servants of the people, and there will be money.


      money is even less than half the trouble
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 December 2017 13: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Yes, cut it and forget it.
      It’s better to sell to Hindus or Iran.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 1 December 2017 14: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Greenwood
        Greenwood

        I'm still very interested in the origin of the South African nickname. Moreover, the time of apartheid.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 1 December 2017 14: 12 New
          0
          Quote: sogdy
          origin of the South African nickname. Moreover, the time of apartheid.
          What?
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 1 December 2017 14: 27 New
            +1
            International fame has only one Greenwood - diamond mines.
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 1 December 2017 15: 34 New
              0
              Quote: sogdy
              International fame
              Hmm ...
              Quote: sogdy
              has only one Greenwood - diamond mines.
              Well, at least there is Johnny Greenwood, the guitarist of Radiohead (they've heard about such a lover). And a couple of cities in the USA with the same name, a business center in Moscow, a hookah in St. Petersburg, a spa in Novosib, etc. lol
              And also a car:

              My nickname is in honor of him. tongue
      2. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 1 December 2017 15: 06 New
        +1
        Greenwoodwelcome

        It’s better to sell to Hindus or Iran.

        As an option, even cut down the money.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 1 December 2017 14: 21 New
      +7
      Quote: Jack O'Neill
      Yes, cut it and forget it.

      How was it done with TU-160? You, my friend, are not 90-e live under mattresses to saw what was not created by you.
      1. Jack O'Neill
        Jack O'Neill 1 December 2017 15: 07 New
        0
        How was it done with TU-160? You, my friend, are not 90-e live under mattresses to saw what was not created by you.

        And why on a ship that is constantly being repaired?
        Tu-160 is a completely different opera ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 1 December 2017 15: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Jack O'Neill
          And why on a ship that is constantly being repaired?

          That repair will be carried out, then we'll talk why and why.
          1. Jack O'Neill
            Jack O'Neill 1 December 2017 15: 43 New
            +1
            Already carried out ...
  5. Mihanishche
    Mihanishche 1 December 2017 12: 40 New
    +7
    Well done boys! In principle, an excellent aircraft carrier should turn out. Moreover, armed as a cruiser !!!
    The Americans still cannot solve this issue, but ours have already done so.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 1 December 2017 13: 53 New
      +6
      What can they not decide? 72 aircraft versus 18 - with displacement of 100 and 62 tons. Respectively. At the same time, the number of 72 - includes AWACS aircraft, as well as Hornets that take off at maximum take-off. The 18 includes the MiGi-29K and Su-33 - which take off not at the maximum take-off (only from the 3 position that is not used).

      I am already silent about the timings of the work of the group. In fact, the Americans throw out the entire group very quickly - and then normally accept it. At night or in the afternoon. Kuzi’s is complicated. As soon as they began to work tightly - immediately the drowned men went. And even design timings and close to the Americans do not reach.

      Rest? Design - yes Kuzya was supposed to be half of Kirov's striking power. But in fact - it did not need to be. And the complex was killed on a specific ship. And in general, they try to push through its clipping and alteration for various useful things - as the Chinese did on the Varyag / Liaolin.

      Air defense - and Nimitz is also a near zone is not bad. But the American concept involves the use of an aircraft carrier as part of a large ship group. Destroyers and cruisers - will cope with air targets, help the air group destroy ground and ship targets. In the aircraft carrier itself - all emphasis is placed on a powerful aviation wing, high autonomy in the database, high frequency of departures. To the detriment of the rest - which falls on the shoulders of the ship's group. Kuzya is a universal soldier - who himself must fight with everyone. Hence, in each component separately - it is weak. According to the project. Now it’s getting worse.
      1. sogdy
        sogdy 1 December 2017 14: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: donavi49
        72 aircraft

        with a range of 500 km.
        Quote: donavi49
        against 18

        with a range of 2000 km.
        About armament finally can be a little bit.
        And the tasks are different. Guess twice?
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 1 December 2017 15: 17 New
          +3
          Um, what are you talking about? On the contrary, the MiGs are not very good - and the Su-33 or the fuel and 2 are the SD + 2 R-73 missiles or the combat load, but the fuel is minimum. Exception 3 position.

          The Hornet has combat 400 miles, range 1000 miles, ferry 1800 miles. Plus they can add fuel by the forces of the air group. At Kuzi - only MiG-29K can do that.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 2 December 2017 18: 48 New
            0
            Quote: donavi49
            Um, what are you talking about? On the contrary, the MiG is not very - and the Su-33

            I mean, you can’t even guess from two times ... Funny people. With pretty funny data.
      2. hrych
        hrych 1 December 2017 17: 31 New
        +5
        Let's start with the main one, Kuznetsov, an aircraft-carrying cruiser, and not an aircraft carrier, with all that it implies ...
        Secondly, Kuznetsov is assigned to the Northern Fleet, where the enemy’s aircraft carriers do not stupidly sail at all, and he has tasks that the Northern Fleet solves there, for which it was created, and not for copying US tactics, by the presence and dominance of the southern trading bottlenecks paths like the Strait of Malacca with Singapore, the Persian Gulf with the Strait of Hormuz, etc. Weapons are created for specific tasks, and not just to be or stupidly, like a neighbor. The main task of the Northern Fleet and, accordingly, Kuznetsov is to cover boats carrying ICBMs, and so on trifles. It does not need a large number of aircraft, but it needs the capabilities of anti-aircraft defense, air defense and anti-aircraft defense, and he has everything for this, and the appearance of strategic Caliber gives him a bonus in delivering a nuclear strike in Northern Europe for a couple and a half thousand kilometers, for from Murmansk to London one and a half thousand kilometers laughing
        1. Kyzmich
          Kyzmich 3 December 2017 22: 24 New
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          People, aren't you tired of repeating an air carrier cruiser?
          By golly.
          The appearance of the aircraft carrier has long been formed.
          This is a ship with a developed left sponson, an offset setting and having devices to ensure takeoff and landing of aircraft.
          What is armed with this type of ship, except for aircraft, the wishes of the customer.
          1. hrych
            hrych 3 December 2017 22: 58 New
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            Quote: Kyzmich
            People, are you tired of repeating the aircraft carrying the cruiser? ... What is armed with this type of ship, except for the planes, the wishes of the customer.

            This time the nomenclature of TAVKR was not invented by us. And the customer’s desire is Hindus alone. But he was Gorshkov, where there was air defense, anti-aircraft defense, and anti-aircraft defense, making him a cruiser. The Chinese bought an entertainment center for allegedly and piled up themselves, but is also classified as an aircraft-carrying cruiser.
            1. Kyzmich
              Kyzmich 4 December 2017 12: 06 New
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              I remember the infamous USS CV-59 "Forestol" in the beginning also had a battery of a dozen 127 mm guns. And from its predecessors, artillery was comparable to battleships.
              From the very beginning of the creation of all these aircraft carriers, they all belonged to the class of cruisers and to this day in the classifier of the US Navy they remain so, bearing the letter CV
              Cruiser Voler is like a cruiser with heavier-than-air aircraft (airplanes) by te-airplanes.
              Other designations: AV. AVD. AVP.ACV.CVA.CVAN.CVB .CVE .CVHA .CVHE .CVL.CVN.CVS.CVT - almost not used today.
              True to the CV was added the letter N-nuclear installation.
              1. hrych
                hrych 4 December 2017 12: 29 New
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                Quote: Kyzmich
                From the very beginning of the creation of all these aircraft carriers, they all belonged to the class of cruisers and to this day in the classifier of the US Navy they remain so, bearing the letter CV

                Although their aircraft carrier and floating airfield operate as part of the AUG, but ... the air wing itself can provide both air defense, anti-aircraft defense and anti-aircraft defense, and strike at the enemy, including the coast. Those. in theory, he really can fulfill the task of the cruiser himself, as an independent combat unit operating without a connection. Therefore, the American aircraft carriers can safely be attributed to the nomenclature of the aircraft carrier cruiser, which you confirmed by citing their designations good
                1. Kyzmich
                  Kyzmich 4 December 2017 19: 34 New
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                  That is. Admiral Kuznetsov TAKR is the same air carrier cruiser as USS Nimitz (CVN-68) judging by the shock capabilities of self-defense means?
                  Well, is he not a destroyer?
                  Although the USA had such plans in the 70s.
                  They were very much impressed by our pr 1143.
          2. Sewer krainiy
            Sewer krainiy 8 December 2017 17: 46 New
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            Carriers through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles are prohibited. Our first aircraft carriers were built in Nikolaev (Black Sea). Therefore, for their access to the ocean, they were called TAKR (heavy aircraft carrier cruiser).
            1. Town Hall
              Town Hall 8 December 2017 18: 00 New
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              Quote: Sewer Krainiy
              Carriers through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles are prohibited. Our first aircraft carriers were built in Nikolaev (Black Sea). Therefore, for their access to the ocean, they were called TAKR (heavy aircraft carrier cruiser).



              How interesting ... and if the Americans call their aircraft carriers cruisers..that will pass through the straits?


              PS Do not tell me which article of which contract allegedly prohibits the straits of aircraft carriers?
            2. Kyzmich
              Kyzmich 11 December 2017 05: 40 New
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              The Montreux Straits Convention does not prohibit aircraft carriers from passing through the straits.
              It prohibits the passage of warships over 10000 tons of displacement for countries non-Black Sea region.
              There are no restrictions for the countries of the Black Sea region.
              The only flight prohibited during passage of the straits.
              So. That this version is from the field of legends.
      3. Kyzmich
        Kyzmich 3 December 2017 21: 59 New
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        You say that with "Kuznetsov take off not with full combat load?
        Can you name exactly which take off?
        Figures please.
        The composition of the wing - in fact 14 Su-33 and 14 MiG 29K., Not including helicopters.
        For your information, this is the optimal quantitative composition of the wing of any aircraft carrier in the United States.
        Of course, you can listen to fairy tales about 120 sorties a day, as a show without BN and with empty tanks.
      4. Kyzmich
        Kyzmich 3 December 2017 22: 12 New
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        I want to note that in no country are aircraft built and put into service like the US Navy.
        Build. Just like the "Kuznetsova" with a springboard start.
        And Britain’s latest HMS "Queen Elizabeth" in fact a truncated version of "Kuznetsov"
        True, there is a mini aircraft carrier, and even with a nuclear power plant in France ...
        But you can’t look at him without laughing.
        Especially considering its horse value, comparable to the USS Nimitz))
  6. Ihrek
    Ihrek 1 December 2017 12: 43 New
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    It all depends on how efficiently the funds are spent. And by and large, repair is better than building a new one for modern Russia (as always, there is no money, well, at least the people still hold on).
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 1 December 2017 14: 19 New
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      Quote: Ihrek
      It all depends on how efficiently the funds are spent.

      So it has already been discussed. "And they don’t give time for completion!" (c) (Cleopatra's Quest / Cleopatra's Mission)
  7. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 December 2017 12: 59 New
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    I read the comments, and just "admire". People are expensive, at least take Wikipedia and see when Kuznetsov was being repaired.
    The ship has been in operation since 1991. The first repair - 1996-8, not serious, was delayed due to lack of funding
    The year 2001-04 is in average repair. Again, it could be done much faster, they would give money on time
    2008 - 7 months in repair
    2015 - 4 months in repair
    2016 - 6 months in repair
    From 1991 g to 2017 g, for a second, 26 years have passed NO REPAIR! And in other repairs the ship stood for less than 7 years, i.e. less than 28% of the total time, and that is mainly in the 90-th beginning of the 2000-x because there was no money and repairs were drawn to infinity. Yes, any US AB will be jealous of him, with such a KOH laughing
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 1 December 2017 13: 47 New
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      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      From 1991 g to 2017 g, for a second, 26 years have passed NO REPAIR! And in other repairs the ship stood for less than 7 years, i.e. less than 28% of the total time, and that is mainly in the 90-th beginning of the 2000-x because there was no money and repairs were drawn to infinity. Yes, any US AB will be jealous of him, with such a KOH

      The ship is standing, but the service is!
      Z.Y. TAVKR "Admiral Kuznetsov" PERFECT Aircraft Carrier! There were smart people in the USSR. Pros: 1. Boiler turbine! only stupid followers of Ilona Mask laugh here, and TAVKR and where you need it a couple of times in your life on wood! 2. Self-flying aircraft! Puff not puff, but This is the future! what for then Americans F-35V? 3. Missile, this is not your guarded floating workshop Nimitz))), it’s also the Missile Cruiser! And also own air defense, PLO! In general, and without co-justification, he wants to be whipped up. This is the best aircraft carrier in America, but Kuznetsov is the best and undisputed! Cons: Yes, they simply do not! Russia doesn’t need “aircraft-carrying troughs” like Ford, no atomic ones, this is the lot of Peter-1 cruisers, no 90 planes, as the Americans say, “if 6 is not enough, then 36 is also not enough! And you don’t need any atomic steam and electric catapult carriers))) three more, exactly the same!
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 1 December 2017 14: 25 New
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        What was that all about? :)
    2. mvg
      mvg 1 December 2017 21: 47 New
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      Andrey, he didn’t go anywhere! Just stood on the bank. Combat exercises - single voyage and melee air defense. For 26 years - the first military miracle trip. To make it - cannibalism and repair. What about weapons? Su'shki with a combat load of 2 tons? Without a normal avionics, central control and refueling?
  8. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 1 December 2017 13: 00 New
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    And deal with the runway and the ropes.
  9. Sergey53
    Sergey53 1 December 2017 13: 37 New
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    I think about the aircraft braking system will not be forgotten. Two aircraft lost, I think enough.
    1. Kyzmich
      Kyzmich 4 December 2017 19: 41 New
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      the problem there is not in the braking system, but in braking in the brains of command and organization of flights.
      The MiG could be refueled, sent to a ground base, there is a distance of not 100km.
      The second accident is a pilot error.
      For 16 years this is just the third incident.
      Against the backdrop of accidents, our "friends" simply have nothing.
  10. Vik66
    Vik66 1 December 2017 13: 49 New
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    The main process has begun. By the way, look at the exemplary condition of the territory of the plant.

    And what, will they repair it right near the mooring wall? A dry dock and all that? Why I ask - not a sailor even once, but I thought overhaul - this is a more time-consuming task and requires certain conditions. what
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 1 December 2017 14: 24 New
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      Quote: Vik66
      A dry dock and all that?

      And how will you post? At this length, the metal is flexible.
      1. Vik66
        Vik66 1 December 2017 14: 28 New
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        And how it was built - on stocks, they should be repaired. And clean the shell from shells, so that to add a couple of knots to the move, paint and all that ... wink
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 1 December 2017 14: 56 New
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          Quote: Vik66
          And how it was built - on the stocks,

          This mount the pelvis itself. Then they launch it into the water, drag it out, take off all the stresses and begin assembling the bulkheads, offal and the outside.
          1. Vik66
            Vik66 1 December 2017 14: 58 New
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            And not a large assembly? belay
            1. sogdy
              sogdy 2 December 2017 18: 52 New
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              Quote: Vik66
              And not a large assembly?

              Quote: sogdy
              And how will you post?

              It seems that you are not an installer even once.
  11. q75agent
    q75agent 1 December 2017 14: 06 New
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    Quote: Vik66
    The main process has begun. By the way, look at the exemplary condition of the territory of the plant.
    And what, will they repair it right near the mooring wall? A dry dock and all that? Why I ask - not a sailor even once, but I thought overhaul - this is a more time-consuming task and requires certain conditions.

    there is a dry dock for him, in the village of Roslyakova I used to be based earlier, where I don’t know now, I did military service on the Kuze 1993-1995 and we stood in the dock, the boilers were already undergoing repairs, who if I served should remember how they dragged fuel oil in buckets ..... wink
  12. magadan72
    magadan72 1 December 2017 18: 54 New
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    it amazes me when our Kuznetsov is compared with American aircraft carriers. Do not let the Lord bring them or do we all agree with NATO in the conflict. With such a problem, Kuznetsov and the fleet in general will be in the harbor. Well, a sensible man will drive the fleet to slaughter (though I don’t think that the enemy’s fleet will come closer to us). But it’s NECESSARY to fix and make an ordinary aircraft carrier !!! It’s good that there is a place in Syria on land for an air base. Otherwise, there would be problems, they would lose Syria. Russia needs an aircraft carrier to solve local geopolitical problems far from the homeland. It should be protected by AUG cover ships. Well, our first-born didn’t work out for us! But it’s quite possible to upgrade it. Judging by the photo, the boilers will be replaced on it. This is a half measure. I think that it is necessary to allocate space and install auxiliary boilers for desalination plants and general shipboard needs. It is known from the open press that KTU is overloaded at full speed. Replace turbine generators with modern diesel generators, steam pump drives (if any) with electric ones. This will slightly relieve the load from the power plant. To lighten the ship as much as possible - for example, remove non-working locators,. ГАК polynomial from the bulb and optimize the nose tip in order to improve the hull contours. Remove the Granite strike complex. it is not needed either for naval combat, or for work along the coast. Airplanes are more efficient, cheaper, longer-range. Establish a second long-range start. Near positions are useless. You can remove daggers and set preparatory positions for aircraft in their places. You can shorten the setting to facilitate and for additional aircraft positions. Have several airplane regiments for rotating equipment and crews. We will have a not very light aircraft carrier as part of the AUG.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 2 December 2017 18: 59 New
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      Send the proposal to the General Staff. Remember to attach planes.
    2. Kyzmich
      Kyzmich 3 December 2017 21: 42 New
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      Where does such knowledge come from?
      On "Kuznetsovo" are standard evaporators (desalination plants), if not mistaken 4 pieces.
      Tasks of their "boil" water for boilers.
      There are tanks for drinking water.
      And why didn’t the turbogenerators please you?
      It has 9 turbo generators and six auxiliary diesel generators.
      Typical composition of generating capacity for this type of ship worldwide.
      And what kind of steam drive pumps (which) are you setting out here?
      The pumps are electric.
      Steam I do not remember))
      The power of the power plant in it is two more than that of the Queen Elizabeth with similar sizes and tonnage.
      Just this type of power plant requires scheduled repairs, every 8 years.
      And there weren’t 27 of them at Kuznetsov.
  13. Alexander Petrov1
    Alexander Petrov1 1 December 2017 19: 56 New
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    Fool !? Why was it necessary to rebuild for India, and now without an aircraft carrier on the go, and the price is just 3 billion dollars, they steal from us ten times more!? Shame !?
  14. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 1 December 2017 22: 23 New
    +3
    For lovers of large dishes. I got into repair and as they say, the revolution has a beginning, the revolution has no end! ...
  15. Old26
    Old26 1 December 2017 22: 33 New
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    Quote: Chertt
    Well this is ridiculous. It was under repair for so many years, then, with grief in half, it sailed into the Mediterranean Sea. And again, a long-term repair. It may be more appropriate to write off from the existing composition of the Navy, and use it as a training

    So write off or use as a training?
  16. dvvv
    dvvv 2 December 2017 13: 57 New
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    I think from his campaign to Syria there was one benefit and this understanding that Russia does not have aircraft carriers and there is no aircraft for them. It would be better if he did not go there and did not disgrace. just spending money and drowned two pitches
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  18. Kyzmich
    Kyzmich 3 December 2017 21: 26 New
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    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In general, be nice and do not pull words out of context. "Kuznetsov" is not a cruiser, but a heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, from this and push off in search of definitions :)

    I can surprise you. All aircraft carriers of the U.S. Navy belong to the class of cruisers.
    This is reminded by the letter on the "CV" superstructure, the first letter "C" cruiser, in combination with the second means a cruiser with airplanes.
    But, strangely, this type of ship can operate only as part of the AUG (squadron)
    And about the cruiser you were given an absolutely accurate definition.
    You started demagoguery, shaking TSB here and confusing the definition of "ship" and "cruiser"
    Your definition of the role of an aircraft carrier as part of a naval group is also not true.
    The times when aircraft carriers carried out narrow missions have long passed, and to this day they are multi-purpose — shock and missile defense, PLO assigned mainly to the ships of the group.
    The same applies to the composition of carrier-based aircraft, assault groups (A7-A-9) and individual air defense (F-14) are removed.
    Previously, these were three separate squadrons.
    To date, all these tasks are performed by the fighter-bomber and attack aircraft F / A-18 (F / A-18E / F) in one person.