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Overcoming the split of the UOC. “Repentance” of Filaret, or Where to Wait for Betrayal

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The effect of a bombshell: this is how one can characterize the reaction to the message that the head of the unrecognized Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate (UOC-KP) Filaret asked Moscow for forgiveness. And despite all subsequent attempts to smear this fact on the part of the press secretary of the main splitter of Ukraine Yevstratiya Zori, the UOC-KP was forced to admit that the fact was taking place, although “this is not exactly what everyone thought of him” ...

Understanding Filaret is simple. In his 88 years, it’s time for him to think about the soul or the near future. Will he survive to the collapse of his offspring (UOC-KP) or not, but it's time to think about something. And he thinks (he was always smart). Probably, it came to the realization that not everything is so simple in this world and with Moscow must be considered. The political situation in Ukraine can change very quickly, and in this case what will Philaret, who has his hands stained with blood, to do? That's right, we need to build a place in Moscow, as all clever Ukrainian “patriots” are doing today. At the same time, he is well aware that, in the event of signing a real agreement with the Russian Orthodox Church, the less shrewd Ukrainian “patriots” will cut him into pieces, as has happened more than once with those who have sold the “ideals of fluidity”. And so he and his secretary today are forced to play up.

The beginning of the split (pride showered)

History Ukrainian split is almost ready plot for the film. Today, few people already remember that it was Filaret (Denisenko) who was a real contender for the patriarchal throne. When Patriarch Pimen died in May 1990, it was he who became Metropolitan of Kiev in the rank of Patriarch became the locum tenens of the patriarchal throne. And this is usually a direct path to the patriarchate.

It is noteworthy that just at this time he fought hard with his future "brothers" who wanted to go to Ukraine in autocephaly.

In the July election of 1990, he became only the third, and the patriarchate had to be forgotten. Meanwhile, in consolation, Moscow gave the Ukrainian church internal independence and contributed to the election of Filaret to the position of its head. But Denisenko was offended, and he was already unstoppable. In the wake of 1991 events, a plan was devised for the complete separation of Ukrainian Orthodoxy from the Russian church.

Overcoming the split of the UOC. “Repentance” of Filaret, or Where to Wait for Betrayal


1 November 1991, stunned by what is happening in the country, the Council of Bishops of the UOC declared the full independence of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church. It was a strong move, but it was Denisenko’s last great success. Moscow did not recognize this decision ...

Six months later, on April 2 at the Council of Bishops of the Russian Orthodox Church in Moscow, almost all Ukrainian bishops recalled their signatures and demanded that Filaret resign. But he refused to do it, and 1992 June 25 of the year announced the creation of a separate Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate ...



As a result, Filaret was expelled and anathematized in 1997.

Attempt number two

We can say that the history of the UOC-KP as two drops of water is similar to the history of Ukraine. Over the years of its existence, 25, in unison with the political upheavals in Kiev, it towered, then went into the shadows. As soon as the leadership of Kiev began to make friends with Moscow, they forgot about Filaret, but after each turn towards the West, he became one of the central figures in the country's political life.



This was the case during the first Maidan, when the UOC-KP, having fully supported it, was finally taken care of by the new regime. If you look at the history of Philaret's ordeals by recognizing the status of the UOC PC during the reign of Viktor Yushchenko, then we will see a complete copy of today's events. True, it was still without blood. But the essence has always remained the same: to tear Ukrainian Orthodoxy away from Moscow in any way and subordinate it to the Patriarch of Constantinople. If it were at the mercy of the latter, then it would have been so for a long time. But did not grow together ...

Collapse of hope

It is now clear that Kiev dissenters will never get permission for independence. The Orthodox world is not ready to quarrel with Moscow in favor of Filaret and his company. I think they understood it themselves. While Moscow was weak, or there were chances with the help of the West to break its will to resist, Filaret and his associates did everything to “gain” independence.



But today it is already clear that Moscow is getting stronger every year, and very soon the political situation in Kiev may change again. What in this case to do Denisenko and Co.? After all, during and after the second Maidan, they are so "famous" that it is unlikely that it will get away with it. In Ukraine, the reverse rollback will take place, and the priests of the UOC-KP are somehow not used to living under pressure. And on the bench, none of them want to.

Remorse or game

I think it was precisely the understanding of the inevitability of future political changes in Ukraine and prompted Filaret to write that letter, which has already caused a heated discussion in Russia and Ukraine. Not from the good life and not under the influence of repentance, all this was written, but for the sake of trying to evade responsibility in the future.

Philaret is trying to keep a fork of solutions for himself, and therefore, most likely, negotiations, whatever they may be, will drag on. All this will be presented to the “patriotic” party as an attempt to peacefully agree with Moscow on the independence of the UOC-KP.

At the same time, there will be negotiations about anything in Moscow until such time as the political alignment does not determine the winner. If everything in the conflict in Ukraine remains as it is now, Filaret will come out of the negotiations without batting an eye, if Moscow wins, throws herself on her chest.

Of course, this can be called meanness and adaptability, but it was in meanness and opportunism that the schismatics of the UOC-KP lived all the 25 years of their existence, and therefore for them there is nothing new.

Whatever happened, but the fact of the incident speaks of fundamental political shifts in the situation in Ukraine. The strength of Moscow is growing, and no one is trying to challenge this. Filaret and the priests of the UOC-KP caught these changes and rush to protect themselves for the future.

And no more than that ...

PS I am now interested in something else: how about this news will the nationalists react? They can force Philaret to abandon his plan. They can do it. It will be interesting to watch all this.
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 1 December 2017 06: 31 New
    +6
    It’s quite ridiculous to look at all these games of churchmen if you only understand that these ministers of the church are intriguing and shoving among themselves for material values. It turns out for them * here and now * more important than principles and service to Christ?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 1 December 2017 07: 13 New
      15
      No offense to you. just for thought
      In some breeds of pigs, the spine is so arranged that it cannot raise its head. But this does not mean that the sky is a hoax.
      1. moskowit
        moskowit 1 December 2017 09: 43 New
        +1
        - See the gopher?
        - Not…
        “I don't see either.” And he is!
        (of their movie "DMB")
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 1 December 2017 07: 13 New
      +7
      Weakly believe in Filaret's sincere repentance. But if such a stubborn person began to bend, then something really changes dramatically. It seems that the redistribution of the Orthodox church business has begun.
      1. Sergey-svs
        Sergey-svs 1 December 2017 07: 56 New
        13
        Quote: siberalt
        Weakly believe in the sincere repentance of Philaret ....

        I agree, I myself do not really believe in the sincerity of his words. yes Most likely we are dealing with another provocation, the same as the appearance of the so-called UOC-KP. Well, think for yourself, why would the splitter who blessed the punishers of the ATO suddenly take care of fraternal bonds? request Repented? Then the first number in his letter should be repentance of the deed, namely, in the church schism, the blessing of the killings of the laity. But this is not in the letter! negative
        Rather ... it’s just - the Ukrainian farm cunning, apparently Filaret sensed something, so he grunted about reconciliation ... yes
        PS Look, we will soon hear how the Bandera ghouls zaorut: - "Filaryaku on gilyaku!" laughing
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 1 December 2017 08: 09 New
          18
          Dies old Bandera, calling sons ....
          - Bring me the party secretary ...
          They brought, the bag was pulled from the head ...
          -Prime me to the party, red!
          -What are you going to the party?
          In the back of the head rests the trunk, the secretary trembling
          hands out a membership card, takes contributions
          and dumps, while the sons stand awesome.
          -I’m dying of my sons .... Another commie will be less!
          1. alexhol
            alexhol 1 December 2017 17: 04 New
            -1
            laughing laughing laughing Good joke. So to say with a "double bottom".
      2. Vend
        Vend 1 December 2017 09: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Weakly believe in Filaret's sincere repentance. But if such a stubborn person began to bend, then something really changes dramatically. It seems that the redistribution of the Orthodox church business has begun.

        Apparently big changes are coming, since it has already begun on this side.
      3. To be or not to be
        To be or not to be 1 December 2017 09: 28 New
        +1
        "" Representatives of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church (UGCC) select churches from parishioners of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (UOC) in the Ivano-Frankivsk region.

        This was stated by Metropolitan Onufry of Kiev and All Ukraine, speaking at the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church in Moscow. "
        http://www.politnavigator.net/na-zapadnojj-ukrain
        e-greko-katoliki-pri-podderzhke-boevikov-otbirayu
        t-khramy-u-pravoslavnykh.html
      4. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 1 December 2017 12: 22 New
        +8
        This is not my topic and I apologize in advance if I say something stupid.
        The first is that Citizen Denisenko, if I understand correctly, after having been subjected to anathema, has no right to bear the monastic name Philaret.
        And second, when conversations about forgiveness and fraternity begin in Ukraine, another division of property is coming.
        1. Lelek
          Lelek 1 December 2017 12: 48 New
          +4
          Quote: Stock Officer
          when talk of forgiveness and brotherhood begins in Ukraine, then another division of property is coming.


          Hey. Rather, "having vouched for tufts, count the fingers on your hand."
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 1 December 2017 12: 53 New
            +4
            Greetings Leo. Well, something like this. I do not believe in the good intentions of citizen Denisenko.
            1. Lelek
              Lelek 2 December 2017 17: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Stock Officer
              I do not believe in the good intentions of citizen Denisenko.


              This "otkolnik" is itchy fanaberia. On the Russian Orthodox Church’s synclite, they gave him a ride, so he decided to organize his raider gang in cassocks under the Natsik’s roof. And he succeeds in the former Ukraine, which has become a “field walk”, where everyone can proclaim himself a hetman, a patriarch, and even an “Ampirator”.
              1. Reserve officer
                Reserve officer 2 December 2017 17: 19 New
                +2
                Pan Ataman Gritian Tauride? Something inspired ...
                1. Lelek
                  Lelek 2 December 2017 17: 36 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Stock Officer
                  Pan Ataman Gritian Tauride?


                  Only in a gilded cassock for a show off. yes
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 1 December 2017 07: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: Vasily50
      It’s quite funny to look at all these games of churchmen

      Denisenko with his comrades is not related to the clergy.
      Quote: Vasily50
      if only to understand

      Do not strain.
      1. dSK
        dSK 1 December 2017 08: 37 New
        +1
        Quote: bober1982
        Do not strain.

        Hello Vladimir!
        "the fact of what happened speaks of fundamental political changes in the situation in Ukraine. The strength of Moscow is growing, and no one is trying to challenge this."
        "Facts are a stubborn thing." hi
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 1 December 2017 08: 47 New
          +1
          Hello!
          I don’t quite understand what you mean. If ......about fundamental political changes in the situation in Ukraine .....then robbery and banditry towards the Church there only intensified, such shifts are being obtained. The Denisenko group itself did not play a big role, and does not play - there are a dime a dozen.
    4. Basil50
      Basil50 1 December 2017 07: 40 New
      +3
      About how believers began to speak out. Soon, the Inquisition will be returned, Christian fanatics are very aggressive and arrogant. By the way among the fanatics there are too many criminals or prisoners. Why's that?
      1. dSK
        dSK 1 December 2017 08: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: Vasily50
        very aggressive and arrogant.

        Hello Dmitry! Have you looked in the mirror for a long time? hi
        You bonfire here not threatening. Sooner or later, we will all end our earthly journey. For some, it will be a big surprise that the Lord God, who created the entire universe and themselves, is not an invention of obscurantists, but a harsh reality. And you have to answer the Heavenly Father for all his words and deeds. And it will be impossible to return and fix something. hi
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 1 December 2017 23: 33 New
          0
          Quote: dsk
          For some, it will be a big surprise that the Lord God, who created the entire universe and themselves, is not an invention of obscurantists, but a harsh reality.

          The harsh reality is that God did not create the church, it is the invention of the Devil and all who go there are devil worshipers.
          1. dSK
            dSK 2 December 2017 15: 37 New
            +2
            Hello Sergey!
            Quote: KaPToC
            Harsh reality is
            - "Freedom - the will, and the saved - paradise." hi
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 2 December 2017 16: 09 New
              0
              Quote: dsk
              - "Freedom - the will, and the saved - paradise."

              But the church does not save anyone, but only deprives people of their will.
              1. dSK
                dSK 3 December 2017 00: 04 New
                +2
                Quote: KaPToC
                the will.

                For 2000 years, faithful followers of Jesus Christ were subjected to the most severe persecutions, especially the first 300 years (they were burned, crucified, skinned ...), and the martyrs often went to their death voluntarily, "for ideological reasons," they were required toonly one thing is the denial of Christ. In Russia after 1917, according to the number of people executed, Christians are the most numerous. If there was no need, it is impossible to force the people to restore and build new churches at their own expense. On major holidays, church services are crowded (next December 4). The help of psychologists is often worth a lot, and confession is always possible for nothing. "To whom the church is not mother, God is not the father." hi
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 3 December 2017 01: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: dsk
                  Over 2000 years, faithful followers of Jesus Christ have been the most severely persecuted

                  The Christians wrote this “story", they will write to themselves the beloved ones.
                  Quote: dsk
                  and the martyrs often went to death

                  And then they wrote books about it ...
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 3 December 2017 01: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: dsk
                    it is impossible to get people to rebuild and build new churches at their own expense.

                    10% - church tax - everything is forced at the expense of the people
                    1. dSK
                      dSK 3 December 2017 14: 53 New
                      +1
                      Hello Sergey!
                      Quote: KaPToC
                      10% - church tax

                      Do the Orthodox? Blatant lie! Such a word - conscience do you know
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 3 December 2017 15: 04 New
                        0
                        Quote: dsk
                        Do the Orthodox? Impudent lie! Do you know such a word - conscience?

                        Where is the lie? If now he is not there, this does not justify the church, until 1917 the church tax was a cruel reality.
                        A church that earns money on Faith does not have conscience, but you believe ... and carry grandmothers.
                  2. a housewife
                    a housewife 4 December 2017 14: 26 New
                    +1
                    My great-grandfather, a priest in 1918 refused to renounce Christ! Shot along with his wife. He is a martyr for Christ. And don’t need me about the written books! People like you killed him !!!
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 5 December 2017 19: 53 New
                      +1
                      Quote: housewife
                      My great-grandfather-priest in 1918 refused to renounce Christ

                      Isolated cases do not whitewash the church as a whole.
                      Quote: housewife
                      People like you killed him !!!

                      How much pathos, probably people like me baptized Russia with fire and sword? During the baptism of Russia, all those who disagree were destroyed - three quarters of the population.

                      Like I killed your church.
                      1. a housewife
                        a housewife 6 December 2017 12: 03 New
                        +1
                        Sorry, I didn’t know that you were a pagan for more than a thousand years! And how Russia survived, having lost three-quarters of the population with the then-large number — in general, a great miracle !!! And if you live now, your ancestors were not killed. So the pagans remained.
      2. Basil50
        Basil50 1 December 2017 09: 27 New
        +3
        Neither Christians nor Muslims should lean against God.
        * God created the universe, and of course the Sun and the Earth. Populated the Earth with various creatures. But he never has any money, so the priests, priests, mullahs and other pastors collect money for him *.
        As I understand it, there is essentially nothing to say or object, so they try to the best of their own ....., to be rude to all sorts of different * believers *. You would have knowledge. Instead of faith. At least in the theology and history of Christianity.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 1 December 2017 09: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          priests-priests-mullahs and other pastors *.

          And to these, how do you feel: Tibetan Buddhism (literally overwhelming the world), Roerich, Madame Blavatsky, yoga, Satanists (this is also a kind of churchman), and so on.
          What do you believe in, or in whom? Really in proletarian humanism?
        2. captain
          captain 1 December 2017 10: 01 New
          +6
          Quote: Vasily50
          Neither Christians nor Muslims should lean against God.
          * God created the universe, and of course the Sun and the Earth. Populated the Earth with various creatures. But he never has any money, so the priests, priests, mullahs and other pastors collect money for him *.
          As I understand it, there is essentially nothing to say or object, so they try to the best of their own ....., to be rude to all sorts of different * believers *. You would have knowledge. Instead of faith. At least in the theology and history of Christianity.

          When I served in the 48 training and tank division, I arrived in our company for the position of Lieutenant-General Patskan. His father taught at the Novosibirsk Political School. So the graduates of this school told an interesting story about his father. Somehow I gave a lecture to cadets on an anti-religious topic. And finishing the lecture, he tapped the pulpit with his hand and said; thus there is no god. After these words, a chandelier fell from the ceiling and flew past this lieutenant colonel in a few centimeters. They say he turned white and silently left the lecture hall. After this incident, he did not finish the lecture.
      3. kenig1
        kenig1 1 December 2017 12: 55 New
        0
        It really disturbs you.
    5. Finches
      Finches 1 December 2017 08: 29 New
      +3
      That's right - 88 years ... Maybe sincerely! Soon to the chef on the carpet for debriefing, you need something like that, at least a little hedge ... laughing
    6. anykin
      anykin 1 December 2017 09: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: Vasily50
      It turns out for them * here and now * more important than principles and service to Christ?

      Here it is necessary not to laugh, but not to be shy to ask them. Do you care about principles or money? Do not forget to address this question to yourself.
    7. avt
      avt 1 December 2017 10: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Vasily50
      shove among themselves for quite material values.

      Uasa! Denisenko raped in this earthly life all that is in part
      Quote: Vasily50
      material values.

      He is already 85, and he was seen
      Quote: siberalt
      Weakly believe in Filaret's sincere repentance.

      In repentance, no, but in what he discovers from the principle - what's over the horizon, what if? This is a fact. Read the text, it is openly practically recognized in schism by words about the desire to restore the Eucharistic and prayer communion in (attention) the ONE Holy Cathedral and the Apostolic. bully So the call of Denisenko and Company is very, very interesting! He himself would have been alone, without a local ensemble, he would never have soaked such a thing, and even during the Council of Bishops in Moscow. bully Well, ladies, the main thing is not to rush - picking a green fruit can poison you. bully
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 1 December 2017 13: 16 New
        +3
        I do not believe in his repentance or desire for reconciliation. Rather, he wants official recognition from the Russian Orthodox Church in order to then, on a legal basis, take away churches from the UOC MP and squeeze the flock. Denisenko is the enemy. And ideological. Much more dangerous than most Ukrainian Nazis. And treating him is only that way. am
        1. dSK
          dSK 1 December 2017 13: 40 New
          +2
          "The concept of" pardon "is not included in the canonical vocabulary of the Orthodox Church and was not used in the letter received," - explained Chairman of the Department for External Church Relations Metropolitan Hilarion of Volokolamsk. Founder of the unrecognized Kiev Patriarchate He asked for the annulment of "all decisions, including punishments and excommunications ... for the sake of God achieving the commandment of peace between faithful Orthodox Christians and reconciliation between nations." And at the end of the message it says: "I apologize for everything that I have sinned by word, deed, and all my feelings, and also from the heart I sincerely forgive everyone. " These words were perceived by the members of the Council of Bishops as evidence of readiness to begin negotiations to overcome the "sad separation, lasting a quarter of a century. It was for the negotiation, and not at all for some kind of" pardon, that the Council formed a commission "- explained the representative of the Russian Orthodox Church. (The first Russian TV channel "Tsargrad" 23:18., 30.11.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX.)
          1. dSK
            dSK 1 December 2017 20: 20 New
            +1
            Vladimir Putin spoke at a meeting of the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church. "The names of the patriarchs of Moscow and All Russia, Germogen and Filaret, their courage and steadfastness in faith, became for our Fatherland a symbol of overcoming the internal troubles and foreign invasion of the beginning of the 56255th century, a symbol of the spiritual, national upsurge of the Russian state. Patriarch Tikhon, ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church in full They shared the fate of Russia and its people, were close to people in their troubles and trials.In spite of repressions and persecutions, destruction and plunder of churches, attempts to weaken, discredit the Church, they saved the most important thing - faith, helped our people, both here and on foreign land, preserve culture, history, customs, traditions, national character. " http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/XNUMX
            1. dSK
              dSK 1 December 2017 20: 38 New
              +1
              Vladimir Putin: "Life puts everything in its place, clearly separates the superficial, artificial from the truth. It is true values, patriotism that showed their strength and became a support for our soldiers - soldiers of the Great Patriotic War. The Russian Orthodox Church, representatives of other religious organizations raised funds for the needs of the front, in a word and with their participation they supported those who worked in the rear, who lost their near and dear ones, ended up in the besieged Leningrad or in the occupation. The defeat of Nazism, in fact, was a victory not only of weapons, but also a moral victory.
              Already today we see how traditional values ​​are being eroded in many countries, and this leads to the degradation of [the institution of the family], to mutual alienation in society. Indifference and indifference, the loss of value guidelines result in the growth of radicalism, xenophobia, and religious conflicts. Self-destructive egoism turns into aggressive nationalism. The Patriarch and I have spoken about this many times, I know his position, and we are ready to support all faiths and all Christian trends - all without exception. "Http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/56255
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 1 December 2017 07: 05 New
    +8
    Ukrainian churchmen have rather rich traditions of betrayal, whatever faith they may be. It is enough to recall Sheptytsky’s welcome letters written like a carbon copy, first to the victorious troops of Hitler, and later to even more victorious troops of the Red Army and Stalin personally.

    1. Chertt
      Chertt 1 December 2017 07: 18 New
      +6
      I talked with a church minister, over a glass of vodka, and asked why there are so many people among the church hierarchs, so to speak, not the most righteous ..... He replied, These people are the front line of the battle with the Devil, and his very first goal
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 1 December 2017 07: 50 New
        +1
        But if they are injured or died they must be saved, taken out from the front line, otherwise the whole defense will collapse if their place is not taken by a healthy one.
      2. inkass_98
        inkass_98 1 December 2017 08: 06 New
        +7
        I drank with various Orthodox ministers, there was a deal wink , even with the former secretary of the current patriarch, who served with Cyril when he was still a metropolitan in St. Petersburg. He took one thing out of all this - ordinary people, prone to the same weaknesses.
        But the trouble is that they preach one thing, and often do something completely different, and this pushes many away from the church. Although there are many worthy people there, but just the black sheep spoil the whole herd.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 1 December 2017 08: 11 New
          +2
          All the same, it is necessary to separate the “god of God”. I watched the monk at tea and him in the service, (I will convey the meaning not exactly) these are different people-states
          1. dSK
            dSK 1 December 2017 09: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: Chertt
            these are different people-states

            Hello Alexey! That's right. People are not angels, each has its own skeleton in the closet and a log in the eye. From church traditions: “One ascetic had a vision - A man stands in confession, repents of his sins, and snakes crawl out of his mouth. And next to him stands Jesus Christ and cuts a snake's head. The penitent remembered another sin and another snake began to creep out from him out of his mouth, sin was very shameful, man did not talk about it. And the snake crawled back. The priest after the confession says: "Forgive and allow. "And Jesus Christ says:"I do not forgive and do not allow". hi
          2. Standard
            Standard 1 December 2017 17: 22 New
            0
            Denisenko was observed mainly in the service.
            This is enough.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 1 December 2017 14: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: inkass_98
          He took one thing out of all this - ordinary people, prone to the same weaknesses.

          So if one of the apostles himself turned out to be Judas, what do you want from modern priests? As one proteger said, every twelfth of them is a traitor ...
          1. inkass_98
            inkass_98 1 December 2017 16: 00 New
            0
            It’s easier for the brothers, every third traitor there: three Ukrainians — a partisan detachment with a commander and a traitor.
      3. BAI
        BAI 1 December 2017 09: 09 New
        +3
        the front line of the battle with the Devil, and his very first goal

        It's right. A familiar venereologist said that if you look at the professions (among her patients), then the percentage of venereal diseases among churchmen is even higher than that of “free artists”. Or maybe there are too many monasteries in our city.
        (there was no violation of medical confidentiality, neither surname nor specific places of work were called).
  3. V. Ushakov
    V. Ushakov 1 December 2017 07: 25 New
    +4
    ... Where to wait for betrayal ???
    ... Where there is a crest, there is betrayal ...
    1. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 1 December 2017 14: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: V. Ushakov
      ... Where to wait for betrayal ???
      ... Where there is a crest, there is betrayal ...

      Well, yes: two Ukrainians - a partisan detachment, three Ukrainians - a partisan detachment with a traitor ...
  4. Sober
    Sober 1 December 2017 07: 35 New
    +1
    The author well reminded Denisenko of drinking. He is probably right in his assumptions. But, nevertheless, I want to think that the old man, foreseeing his death hour, fearing the Supreme Court, decided to repent.
    And, here the reaction in Kiev, so to speak, of patriots, is really expected to be interesting.
    1. Standard
      Standard 1 December 2017 17: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Sober
      Fearing the Supreme Court

      Well, if only fearing.

      He brought a lot of lies and grief to the Ukrainians.
  5. Alex66
    Alex66 1 December 2017 07: 48 New
    +2
    Well, what a remorse, he had to remove the dignity and crawl on his knees to atone for sins in the monastery, as indicated by the patriarch (even in Tiksi) and no longer remind himself. And this is a bargain, although what he hopes for 88 years, but he never gained faith.
  6. gavrila2984
    gavrila2984 1 December 2017 07: 55 New
    +1
    It will be interesting to watch all this.
    We stock up on popcorn!
  7. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 1 December 2017 08: 13 New
    +2
    Priests are also ordinary people.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 1 December 2017 23: 41 New
      0
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Priests are also ordinary people.

      Why the hell then are they needed? Let them go work.
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 06: 34 New
        +1
        smile So I then agree with this statement. Just by this logic it is necessary to disperse our entire government with the guarantor together.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 2 December 2017 11: 50 New
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          Quote: andrej-shironov
          So I then agree with this statement. Just by this logic it is necessary to disperse our entire government with the guarantor together.

          Only another system can defeat a system. The state is necessary in order to withstand external threats, the church does not bear any “socially useful” load, but only eats up resources, its usefulness is even less than that of the oligarchs.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 14: 32 New
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            Is the main goal of the state is only protection from external threats? I didn’t know. I always thought that we had already overcome the stage of proto-statehood. Maybe for starters you need a state so that, in parallel with protection from external enemies, it also induces internal order?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 2 December 2017 14: 57 New
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              Quote: andrej-shironov
              Is the main goal of the state is only protection from external threats?

              "for sovereigns who are more afraid of the people than external enemies, fortresses are useful; and for those of them who are more afraid of external enemies than people, fortresses are not needed"
              Nicolo Machiavelli
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 15: 25 New
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                Dear Stroporez! I absolutely agree with you and Machiaveli.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 2 December 2017 15: 41 New
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                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Machiaveli.

                  Interesting reading, it turns out to be very relevant, as it was written yesterday.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 15: 44 New
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                    I agree! Machiaveli is sometimes very nontrivial. To my shame I read it last time a very long time.
              2. KaPToC
                KaPToC 2 December 2017 16: 16 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                "to sovereigns who are more afraid of the people than external enemies, fortresses are useful

                Tell it to the defenders of the Brest Fortress. Fortresses protect from external enemies, not internal ones.
                Apparently this is your Machiaveli. tongue was not very smart, or did not understand anything in military affairs.
                1. andrej-shironov
                  andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 16: 23 New
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                  smile You are too formal ...
                  1. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 2 December 2017 16: 28 New
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                    Quote: andrej-shironov
                    You are too formal ...

                    Apparently I am closer to Okaam than Machiaveli.
                    1. andrej-shironov
                      andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 16: 31 New
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                      wink To be precise, then OCCAM, I'm sorry that corrected. Of course, it’s hard to argue with his principle, as it is: you should not multiply things unnecessarily ... well, or something like that. But here with the state there is something else.
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 2 December 2017 16: 13 New
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              Quote: andrej-shironov
              Is the main goal of the state is only protection from external threats?

              The main but not the only one.
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              I always thought that we had already overcome the stage of proto-statehood.

              Quote: andrej-shironov
              Maybe for starters you need a state so that, in parallel with protection from external enemies, it also induces internal order?

              You put the cart in front of the horse. The proto-state is undergoing internal organization, and only then in a full-fledged state is protection against external threats realized.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 16: 27 New
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                smile Not a cart, not a horse. It is being realized, it is being realized, but why do I (the people) need a state that is not fully capable?
                1. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 2 December 2017 16: 30 New
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                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  Not a cart, not a horse.

                  This is an allegory.
                  Quote: andrej-shironov
                  It is being realized, it is being realized, but why do I (the people) need a state that is not fully capable?

                  So no one is holding you here, you can always go to any other state.
                  1. andrej-shironov
                    andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 16: 39 New
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                    smile Ahhhh, you to this! I thought it was a sinful thing to do with the Occam. And the casket just opened. It turns out that Muscovite, under the guise of pseudo-learning, offers me emigration. Well, I’ll leave, so what? Ignoramuses will remain like you. I will remain, we will change the state. Well, if the new does not suit you, you yourself know where. wink
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 2 December 2017 16: 43 New
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                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      And the casket just opened.

                      At first I wanted to answer differently
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      It is being realized, it is being realized, but why do I (the people) need a state that is not fully capable?

                      And we have no other? !!!
                      Quote: andrej-shironov
                      I will leave, we will change the state. Well, if the new does not suit you, you yourself know where.

                      if that doesn’t suit you, we will know to whom to make claims stop
                      1. andrej-shironov
                        andrej-shironov 2 December 2017 16: 47 New
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                        smile Kartos, I respect for delicate trolling! I honestly thought how would you answer my last message. Throw ... ram on the fan wink or be gallant to the end. I see with dignity out of the situation.
  8. Vard
    Vard 1 December 2017 08: 15 New
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    It seems that the main thing in what is happening is that these people, and they are much more informed than even the official authorities, understood ... changes are coming in Ukraine and so decided to take some measures to stay afloat ... In other words, rats ran from the ship Ukraine. ..
  9. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 December 2017 08: 34 New
    +1
    ... if it’s not a fake, then the bloody pastor-chicken goosno will have to “raise the fallen ensign” ... your deeds are wonderful, Lord! ... bully
  10. Umnichka
    Umnichka 1 December 2017 08: 55 New
    +3
    They don’t agree with traitors, even if they expect some kind of loss - in the case of an agreement, then you always lose more. The Nazi father repented ... I do not believe it.
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 December 2017 09: 00 New
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  12. Scud
    Scud 1 December 2017 09: 13 New
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    Just recently, this enthling hooker could be very often seen on dill TV and heard on the radio.
    Now, is it gone into sediment, is it gone to real?
  13. Fudo
    Fudo 1 December 2017 09: 34 New
    +3
    not “cast out”, but cast down. If he dies and is not accepted into the bosom of the church, he will have no way to salvation. Maybe, nevertheless, the heretic repented, after all, he was a priest, Vera should have been
  14. Korsar4
    Korsar4 1 December 2017 09: 43 New
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    There can be many versions: either the Creator was thinking, or the Uniates are taking more and more power.

    Look at the history of Russia - how many disasters, and momentary and delayed brought splits.
  15. AleBors
    AleBors 1 December 2017 09: 57 New
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    The official of the UOC sensed the nearness of the collapse of the whole project ... Yes, I thought about the eternal, apparently ... The years are already big, and the demand from him, as from a pastor will be very big ... Frightened ...
    "grief shepherds will be glorified and left to their perdition .."
    1. Standard
      Standard 1 December 2017 17: 13 New
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      Quote: AleBors
      UOC official

      Be sure to clarify the Kiev Patriarchate: the UOC-KP (in contrast to the UOC-MP).
  16. Eurodav
    Eurodav 1 December 2017 10: 04 New
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    Quote: aszzz888
    ... if it’s not a fake, then the bloody pastor-chicken goosno will have to “raise the fallen ensign” ... your deeds are wonderful, Lord! ... bully

    What fake on all tv news showed ...
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 2 December 2017 23: 03 New
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      Quote: Evrodav
      Quote: aszzz888
      ... if it’s not a fake, then the bloody pastor-chicken goosno will have to “raise the fallen ensign” ... your deeds are wonderful, Lord! ... bully

      What fake on all tv news showed ...

      Do you still believe in zombies? am
  17. Eurodav
    Eurodav 1 December 2017 10: 36 New
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    Quote: Vard
    It seems that the main thing in what is happening is that these people, and they are much more informed than even the official authorities, understood ... changes are coming in Ukraine and so decided to take some measures to stay afloat ... In other words, rats ran from the ship Ukraine. ..

    Well, you can’t argue with Y. Podolyaka about the shoots of “rats from the ship of Ukraine” ... Uh ... I feel that he knows the topic ... “rats” thoroughly, much better than ... other authors ...
  18. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 1 December 2017 13: 18 New
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    Does it matter whether it is remorse or a game? No matter how Filaret apologizes, he is outside the Orthodox World, he was anathematized, he is cursed. It may be about the priests deceived by him (Filaret).
  19. Gamer
    Gamer 1 December 2017 14: 40 New
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    the whole article is some kind of rumor retold from one hundred thousandth hands
    1. Standard
      Standard 1 December 2017 17: 10 New
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      Then correct, pliz.
      1. Gamer
        Gamer 1 December 2017 17: 30 New
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        what is there to correct, "one grandmother said"
  20. atakan
    atakan 1 December 2017 14: 53 New
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    Familiar patch.
    These tricks distribute on an Internet video on mining, mine clearing, training videos on IEDs in dozens.
  21. Bosch
    Bosch 1 December 2017 17: 05 New
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    Filaret sold out to banderlogs. What to talk about with him?
  22. Standard
    Standard 1 December 2017 17: 09 New
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    Now Denisenko (Filaret) is anathematized for the split of the mother (for him) ROC MP.
    And in this status, he is busy with autocephaly of his sect, which he calls the UOC-KP.
    Meets with the Ecumenical Patriarch and "performs" other necessary actions.
    Communicating with the overthrown schismatic is more expensive. Therefore, Denisenko (Filaret) must first remove the anathema.
    He hardly recalls his soul (his own) - he has told too many lies.
    And by the way, the author of the article somehow did not remember Vladimir Sabodan - Primate of the UOC-MP before Onufriy.
  23. Vintovkin
    Vintovkin 2 December 2017 15: 04 New
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    Quote: Stroporez
    "to those sovereigns who are more afraid of the people,

    In general, bro Stroporez, all this is a rotten fake about the repentance of Filaret .. I read the author, tochnik - Jura Hiroshima, who else))) And not one proof of letter)))
  24. Normal ok
    Normal ok 2 December 2017 23: 01 New
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    The official position of the UOC (KP) is announced. The UOC-KP press secretary, Archbishop Eustratius (Zorya) called the information a provocation:
    "Patriarch Filaret did not appeal to Patriarch Kirill and the bishop of the Russian Orthodox Church with a request to have mercy and return him to the church ... Provocative information that is not true is disseminated. Patriarch Filaret never sent and will not send to the Russian Orthodox Church, the patriarch Cyril or anyone else’s request for clemency, "he said.
    According to Eustratius, Filaret "has not sent any letters, statements or appeals of such content, does not, and will not, send."
    Why write such articles?
  25. a housewife
    a housewife 4 December 2017 14: 34 New
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    In my simple opinion - it caught fire at “Filaret” immediately and underfoot and overhead! What property is 88 years old? I live to stay, that is, to die in my bed, and when I die - to be saved. About such ap. Paul wrote - "they will be saved, but as if from a fire." And then this is only with sincere repentance. And whether it is sincere is only not heaven and knows. It is unlikely that people would believe him.
  26. KaPToC
    KaPToC 6 December 2017 18: 24 New
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    Quote: housewife
    Sorry, I didn’t know that you were a pagan for more than a thousand years!

    Paganism was invented by Christians to distinguish themselves from other sectarians, in fact, modern polytheism - God, Allah, Buddha - are no different from the ancient pantheons. Religious organizations have enlarged, but essentially remained pagan.
    Quote: housewife
    And if you live now, your ancestors were not killed. So the pagans remained.

    Being baptized - I am the same pagan as everyone else, only I have less faith.