Borisov: we hope that the "Admiral Gorshkov" will be transferred to the fleet before the end of the year

The Russian Ministry of Defense hopes that the lead frigate of Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov with the Poliment-Redut anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) will be transferred to the Naval the fleet in December 2017, reports RIA News.

The lead frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" is now at the final stage of state tests. The delay in transferring it to the fleet is associated with the delivery of the Polymer-Redut air defense system. Hopefully, in December, the last rocket launches will be successfully completed, and the ship will be accepted by the fleet. That is, we do not lose such hope

Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov told reporters.

According to him, “depending on the delivery of the Polyment-Redut air defense system on Admiral Gorshkov, the situation with Admiral Kasatonov (the first serial frigate of the 22350 project) will be immediately clear.”

All general access systems and units of this ship have already been commissioned, there are no complaints about the Severnaya Verf. Only the counterpart "Almaz-Antey" is kept with the delivery of the above-mentioned system,

added Borisov.

Comments

[210ox]

In short .. Nothing is clear yet. What and when ..

[Chertt]

Project 22350 is the first, after the collapse of the USSR, project of new ships of this class. The percentage of modern weapons and equipment is very large. Therefore, delays are understandable, although unpleasant

[Going]

Unpleasantly - yes, but it is necessary to bring everything to the required standards and indicators, then it will be easier.

[hrych]

Quote: Going

Unpleasant - yes

Cheating, everything is gone
Built ships and auxiliary vessels of the Russian Navy in the period from 2007 to 2017.

[tlauicol]

one third of the ships from this picture are not accepted

[tlauicol]

Quote: Tlauicol

one third of the ships from this picture are not accepted

and this is just the tip of the iceberg - a significant part of the ships were not built, but completed in the indicated period (and laid them back in the 90s and 80s). For example, Yaroslav the Wise (2009) - what was it built in two years?

[hrych]

Quote: Tlauicol

a significant part of the ships were not built, but completed in the specified period

What is the difference, the main thing is that the fleet has arrived, because there are no ships that are being built and laid down during this period. That's right, the tip of the iceberg, because 4 Boreas on the water, 4 more are under construction, a number of new ships are launched and are being tested. Star was built, Crimean slipways earned on defense. The main thing is not to lose pace, the conditions for this are created

[hrych]

Quote: Tlauicol

one third of the ships from this picture are not accepted

they will accept not a third, 5 percent, or even less. Submarines are impressive and quite, and they all serve

[tlauicol]

Do you also consider boats and floating cranes for ships?
And if you really counted those built since 2007, then there’s just 5% and it’s typed

[hrych]

Quote: Tlauicol

Do you also consider boats and floating cranes for ships?

Table from a foreign magazine on ships adopted by the Navy in the specified period. Small vessels are also referred to vessels. If the missile boat, then, despite the size, a very formidable unit. Auxiliary vessels are important, without them nothing. But 4 nuclear boats, including 3 launchers of ICBMs and carriers of strategic Caliber, including RTOs and diesel submarines, speak of qualitative progress. Each Borey in one gulp is capable of destroying the USA, EU or China, therefore, without touching the rest, the regime has achieved fantastic results and this is indisputable.

[Grits]

A link to the site where they took such an interesting picture, discard, please.

[hrych]

Quote: Gritsa

A link to the site where they took such an interesting picture, discard, please.

No problem
http://charly015.blogspot.ru/

[Grits]

thanks, take a look

[hrych]

Quote: Gritsa

thanks, take a look

Eat for health

[Pirogov]

Quote: Chertt

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Chertt Today, 16:29 ↑ New
Project 22350 is the first, after the collapse of the USSR, project of new ships of this class. The percentage of modern weapons and equipment is very large. Therefore, delays are understandable, although unpleasant

Moreover, the classes of ships, if the problem is in armament, and specifically in the air defense system. And how much longer to wait and hope? Who made the decision at a time when the construction of ships is simply vital to put on it an undeveloped air defense system? Or maybe it's time to shoot a couple of three, bureaucrats will certainly not be worse from this, and the air will become cleaner.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Pirogov

Or maybe it's time to shoot a couple of three

And what, the moratorium on the "tower" has already been canceled? Or just decided to like huskies with empty exclamations?

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Pirogov

Who made the decision at a time when the construction of ships is simply vital to put on it an undeveloped air defense system?

So this is a long-standing practice of our fleet - to lay promising weapons in the project. And burn yourself on it.
It is enough to recall the "non-dagger" first BOD pr.1155. Or the head EM of pr. 956, which went to the test almost unarmed. Or the fact that SLBMs for the main RPKSN pr. 941 was put into service a year after the delivery of the SSBNs to the fleet - and the technical characteristics of SLBMs did not meet the technical specifications.
Or here is the act of acceptance of the head of the Kyrgyz Republic, Project 26:

September 25, the commission signed an act on acceptance of the ship in the KBF. The next day, a naval flag was hoisted on a cruiser. In the act, the commission noted "a large number of unfinished work." In particular, the rate of fire of the main caliber guns was low, the armor protection of torpedo tubes was not installed, Aircraft armament and MPOZO system were not delivered, the paravanized device, main turbine gearboxes, valves of the main and auxiliary steam pipelines of superheated and saturated steam have not been replaced or handed over.

That is, the cruiser was surrendered virtually without an air defense system - the guns could only work autonomously, according to sights and tables.

[siberalt]

I can imagine what would happen to the Minister of Defense of the USSR if he even doubted aloud that the armament might not be delivered by the Armed Forces on time!

[Romario_Argo]

in fact the frigate of 22350 Ave., a long time ago, only a little limited in movement

[PSih2097]

Quote: siberalt

I can imagine what would happen to the Minister of Defense of the USSR if he even doubted aloud that the armament might not be delivered by the Armed Forces on time!

Well, a minister is a minister, but what would they do with the heads of the manufacturer’s enterprise and with their allies ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: PSih2097

and here’s what they would do with the heads of the manufacturer’s enterprise and with their allies

Never mind. In the USSR there were similar problems.

[donavi49]

Easy + tricks, like we’ll puff a couple of years and write off, but we won’t get a hat? An example is the successful 1155 BOD:
Dear - SAM even the posts have not been installed, the main complex - installed breadboard. In fact, only AU + MZA + TA and helicopters functioned. Half of the posts have not been set. The main Frigate radar is not mounted (2 Topaz-V instead). The result - the nickname "Peace Pigeon", 5 years of demonstration of the flag, 1 average repair, cancellation in less than 10 summer age (the hero of the article is built longer).
Kulakov - SAM is not installed, the first ship that received the main Complex (Bell), the radar is still ancient Topaz. The result - initially along the path of Udulo, but the collapse of the USSR helped. The ship hovered on the shipyard for repair. As a result, it stood until the end of the 00's, when each ship in the far zone began to be reanimated. As a result, he received the 1 aft post of the air defense system, his nose was covered by the Flexible, and a full-time radar was installed, and even in an extreme modification of Frigate-MA.
Vasilevsky is the first ship to receive an air defense system and a frigate.
Admiral Zakharov is the first ship to receive a full set of full-time weapons and equipment.

The result - the minimum b / g only with the 3 of the ship, and only 4 reached the design indicators. This is the USSR.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: donavi49

The result - the minimum b / g only with the 3 of the ship, and only 4 reached the design indicators. This is the USSR.

At TAKR “Kiev”, the first Soviet aircraft carrier cruiser, 48 experimental (!) Weapon systems and systems were installed. All of them were brought to mind during the operation of the ship. And this did not stop the construction of the remaining ships of the series.
But the mess with "Polement - Redoubt" lies in a completely different plane ... You can’t pass off the wishful thinking! If there are radar energy capabilities, SAM systems, but no “brains”, then, apparently, there is something with the head, and not with the complex! Make a BIOS similar to Aegis, finally buy the software from the Indians - and you will be happy!
Look, Jews, they make candy out of shit — the weak Barack indulged the Indians ... Weak - on the energy of the radar, SAM, but with powerful brains! As a result, the subsonic missiles always appear at the point of meeting with the IOS! And they don’t have a problem with transferring contact from one AFAR web to another when the VTs moves from one side of the NK to its other side!
Horror!

[Vadim237]

In the USSR, the delivery of new complexes, the same often frustrated.

[1331M]

Key words, let's hope? Yes, we will, have already been accustomed to this. Hope ...

[x.andvlad]

Beautiful ship. Faster.

[Herculesic]

And we personally do not hope! You already in the 13th, 14th, 13th, and 16th years of aviation transferred the serial T50 or Su57, the T14 tank, and other, other other. ..And nobody really answered for the mess!

[Muvka]

And who was supposed to answer? Show the documents where these dates were indicated. In general, the technique is being finalized during the testing process. And that is the norm. For example, the Su-57 will be with a fuselage from the T-50-9, and the electronics from the T-50-11. This means that the plane that took off in 2010 has little to do with the Su-57. And so it is everywhere. Especially now we have nowhere to hurry. The only thing where we really need to hurry is with the creation of Sarmatia.

[Herculesic]

I’ll answer in Russian, yes, even on this site, look at its archives, you will find confirmation of my words!

[Muvka]

On this site there are documents that indicate when the equipment should begin to enter the troops?

[ImPerts]

Quote: Herkulesich

You have already transferred aircraft in the 13, 14, 13, 16 years to the serial T50 or Su57, the T14 tank, and so on, etc. ..

What's the problem ???
The newest American aircraft carrier Gerald Ford originally promised to turn in at 2014, and surrendered to 2017. As far as I know, there are still problems there. Price increased from 5,1 billion to 12,9.
The new British aircraft carrier promised to turn in 2013 or 2014, surrendered to 2017. I definitely won’t write about the price, but it has increased.

[Chertt]

Muvka, ImPeretz !!!! I’m shocked, in the comments, the opinion of rational people begins to prevail over “all-world” where Russia is heading ....

[Herculesic]

Imperial I bullet from a high bell tower to the United States and British, I am enraged by our mess, and our unfulfilled promises, with a constant delay in the delivery of semi-finished military equipment!

[Dart2027]

Quote: Herkulesich

with constant postponement of the delivery of semi-finished military equipment

Do you want everything to be right away? So there is no problem with new equipment - this is normal.
That’s what it’s really worth scolding for because it has already begun to build proven things from the very beginning. The same frigates - they could very well have built 10 11356. Not superhigh-tech but quite combat-ready.

[Piramidon]

Quote: ImPerts

What's the problem ???
The newest American aircraft carrier Gerald Ford originally promised to turn in at 2014, and surrendered to 2017. As far as I know, there are still problems there. Price increased from 5,1 billion to 12,9.
The new British aircraft carrier promised to turn in 2013 or 2014, surrendered to 2017. I definitely won’t write about the price, but it has increased.

What are you trying to convince us that the neighbors of the cow die. As I understand you, do you have to look up to those who have not wondered? If they released some kind of crap, then we can. But Ukraine in general, all the best shipbuilding is pros ... Let us not bother and take an example from them. And no problem.

[ImPerts]

Quote: Piramidon

Let us not bother and take an example from them.

Let's.
Tell me an example of how a new technology was quickly introduced and put into operation on time, according to promises.
It will be informative for everyone.
Maybe even an article on the site will work.

[Sivasa]

The problem is that THEY are rich and there are many of them. They have the right to squint, make mistakes, inflate the budget, etc. We have less money, fewer people, less resources, less technology. We have no right to work as they do.

[ImPerts]

Quote: Sivasa

The problem is that THEY are rich and there are many of them. They have the right to squint, make mistakes, inflate the budget, etc. We have less money, fewer people, less resources, less technology. We have no right to work as they do.

And there should be no mistakes !!!
Poor Tupolev, while he brought to mind the Tu-22, he killed so many people ...

[Sivasa]

That's right. So many people on the Tu-22, so many resources on the Tu-144, so many resources on several types of tanks ... The result we all remember.

[ImPerts]

Oh well...
But NATO did not know, were afraid and still are afraid ...

[svp67]

Bring, bring to mind, do not accept the "raw" ship. Without air defense systems, he could not survive in battle.

[jjj]

That's just the point, that the systems worked together in the measurements of the ship

[NEXUS]

Quote: svp67

Bring, bring to mind, do not accept the "raw" ship. Without air defense systems, he could not survive in battle.

It’s of course ... but only somehow it sounds childishly and plaintively - “we hope” ...

[PSih2097]

Quote: svp67

Without air defense systems, he could not survive in battle.

according to unofficial data. Radar "Poliment" does not have the ability to track targets in the interests of air defense systems ...
But originally they wanted to put "Calm" on the frigate ...

[Sivasa]

And from what direction is this info about Poliment?

[faiver]

Hope my earthly compass ...
it remains only to sing songs ...

[Alexey-74]

We really hope that you will finalize Polymer-Redoubt. Without air defense, such a ship is nowhere.

[Bronevick]

Until 2025 promised 4 or 6?

[Monarchist]

Quote: Chertt

Project 22350 is the first, after the collapse of the USSR, project of new ships of this class. The percentage of modern weapons and equipment is very large. Therefore, delays are understandable, although unpleasant

In the nineties, a wonderful project was developed, but then the money was tight and they took the Talaver, but as a result of the well-known events of the GTC Motor Sich flew past the ticket office, and Gorshkov’s snag is now held by Polymint. with 22350!

[next322]

the military shipbuilding industry, we must honestly admit one of the weakest in the defense industry ....... for 15-16 years after the collapse of the union, it was destroyed almost in the bud .... thanks to Ivanov, Serdyukov and other stupid managerial scum that fussed there and engaged in cutting dough for 20 years ....... the results of their work are now creeping out .... the top of the SURFACE military shipbuilding today is MRK 21630 Buyan M, with a displacement of 950 tons in the amount of 1 pc per year ....... and that’s all for now!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: next322

thanks to Ivanov, Serdyukov and other stupid managerial scum, fussed there and engaged in cutting dough for 20 years ....... the results of their work come out now

Serdyukov’s results are three ready-made 11356s. If something had been adhered to in 2014 with a gas-turbine engine, then they could have received the fourth 11356.
By the way, “Buyan-M” with their “calibers” is also Serdyukov. And the DEPL 636.3 series is also him.
Generally, the concept of "Do not wait for a child prodigy, but order a serial export project adapted to the requirements of the RF Armed Forces"- this is just the work of the furniture maker.

[next322]

not 3- 11356, but so far - 2 !! ........ but the buoys did generally for the Caspian Sea, then few people guessed about the caliber, and everything showed up with them purely by accident (Syria) ..... .

[Alexey RA]

Quote: next322

not 3- 11356, but for now - 2 !!

That is, Serdyukov is also to blame for the events of 2013-2014?
If it weren’t for the non-brothers, they would have built 6 new 11356 for the Black Sea Fleet. And it’s not the fact that their construction would have ended at that - given the ongoing debugging of Poliment Reduta.

Quote: next322

but the buoys did generally for the Caspian, then few people guessed about the caliber, and everything showed up with them purely by accident

Under Serdyukov, a contract was signed for 5 RTOs, pr. 21361. Three for the Caspian Sea and two for the Black Sea Fleet.

Five ships of project 21631 are planned to be built for the Black Sea Fleet in the framework of the plan approved this spring for the rapid updating of its naval composition. In the framework of this plan, on August 20, the Novorossiysk submarine of project 636.3 (the first of three planned for the Black Sea Fleet) was laid down at the St. Petersburg Admiralty Shipyards.

And about the "Caliber" they wrote on them from the very beginning. Iksperdy then they were still sophisticated in sarcasm - they say, why do we need SLCMs in the Caspian or distant missiles.

[Piramidon]

Quote: NEXUS

It’s of course ... but only somehow it sounds childishly and plaintively - “we hope” ...

It’s all because there is no hard demand. Did not complete the task - a kick in the ass from a warm place. And then again they will find the switchman in the person of the storekeeper, and all the managers will remain in their places.

[Monarchist]

Quote: Chertt

Muvka, ImPeretz !!!! I’m shocked, in the comments, the opinion of rational people begins to prevail over “all-world” where Russia is heading ....

The fact of the matter is that provocateurs give such moments: “chef, the mustache is gone” and that means that you immediately raise your paws, maybe the adversary will not kill us? Or complete nonsense, because the most difficult thing was during the EBN (remember how it was), and now the time is different.
For example: how many foreign cars and which in your quarter? If you change the well-known dictum of Ford Theory1 "the prosperity of the people can be judged by the number and variety of cars" will be.

[Herculesic]

And such comments are given by urrapatriots, couch strategists, for the sake of likes and pluses, our problems are point blank not wanting to see! Indeed, it’s easier to label someone as an “all-adversary” than to admit that there are problems with the implementation of the state defense order! By the way, unlike you, even the Moscow Region recognized this problem!

[Serhiodjan]

Yes, life does not happen without problems, it seems to you that it happens because for most of your life you were told that everything in the USSR was unprofitable, although in reality it was worse than the plinth. But now they are honestly nagging - we did not have time to work, honesty is already half the battle, if not more. We won’t die without a redoubt, and you’re all-scribblers and not some mythical conservative critics out there, and you yourself know it

[Herculesic]

In the USSR, I myself lived, worked at a state-owned enterprise, and ex officio solved the problems of cars! So no one ever told me anything about paradise in the USSR, on the contrary, they spoke honestly about the problems, about the solutions! And you, too, from those who in battle tear a vest on the chest of a neighbor! You can continue to fool while sitting near the computer in pink glasses. Yes, and by the way, the name of MY Motherland - the USSR is written with a capital letter! !!!!!!

[bk316]

I lived in the USSR myself

They write to you with examples that the deadline or even worse is the acceptance of non-combat-ready ships into the fleet. THERE WAS A CONVENTIONAL BUSINESS IN THE USSR. That's just no one in the media (which is VO) did not open his mouth.
But you don’t hear and continue to bend your line, therefore YOU ARE THE ALL-SUCHER

[Sivasa]

We hope ... We do not lose hope ... And this is the lexicon of the deputy. Minister of Defense. This is a complete thrash, waste and babble at the same time. It would be easier to just say, I don’t know, don’t ask.

[Serhiodjan]

Quote: siberalt

I can imagine what would happen to the Minister of Defense of the USSR if he even doubted aloud that the armament might not be delivered by the Armed Forces on time!

Yeah, and this is one of the main reasons why there is no such country as the USSR. In the USSR, too, you know, not everything was good, and they loved to sign there more than anywhere else. And how much lies and idiocy were in the board, it is surprising that he lasted so much longer.

[Veteran]

The problem of Poliment-Reduta is the problem of Almaz-Antey. The only developer of marine air defense systems in the country was Altair MNIIRE, but in 2010 it was "poured" into Almaz-Antey, defining the latter as the interspecific lead developer of air defense systems. But the leadership - managers of "Almaz" marine air defense systems were uninteresting, it dispersed all the "Altairov" specialists, conveniently settling in the niche of land-based air defense systems (exported goods). As a result, it was simply no one to bring Poliment-Redoubt. So Gorshkov got stuck, and Borisov gives out prayers with wishes for the success of launches.

[senima56]

There is no need to rush. And then, the former Air Force commander complains that the MI-28 turns out - shit! And when they kicked him into arming? Is it really impossible to cure "sores" for so much time ?!

[kefan]

Hope, as they say, dies last, in general, again, just empty promises and shifts to the right, a shame.

[skipper83]

Today, on December 1, they called at the port of Ningbo. Joushan was nearby, at that time about 7 destroyers and frigates left from there. Probably, already throughout the KTOF there are not so many surface ships of a similar class.