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Where does the "Warrior" go?

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For many years, lovers weapons wearily “kick” our gunsmiths for the lack of universal “innovations and inventions” in the military arena. Against this background, somehow forgotten that the industry, in general, only meets the needs of the customer, corresponding, in turn, to the level of his understanding of their own needs and professionalism in general. It would seem, what is there to worry about? However, in terms of small arms, "bells" on the reverse of the MO are distributed for a long time. And so, they, like notes, finally formed into a completely finished “musical work” - the article “Digitized "Warrior"»» In the newspaper "Krasnaya Zvezda" - the central print organ of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

The material is dedicated to the results of the operationally controlled set of combat equipment of a soldier (KBEV) "Warrior". Without trying to embrace the immense, namely the whole set, we will stop focusing on the subject of interest for all fans of small arms. What can be understood, and what conclusions can be drawn from this accessible information? We will quote something and briefly try to figure it out.

The phrase “... on the whole in the defeat system, the accuracy of shooting has been improved 1,5 times (from 12 to 8 cm) ...” confuses. How can we generally adequately assess the accuracy of the characteristics of various types of KVEB small arms (assault rifles, machine guns, sniper rifles) developed for specific ammunition, moreover, to assess which, often, different dispersion characteristics are used? Unclear. If we assume that the phrase refers to the machines in the caliber 5,45 × 39 mm, questions still remain: where did the figure 12 come from, and what does it mean? If you look at the specifications for the AK-74М (6P34 index), you can see that for the released sample, adopted by the OTK and VP MO, the accuracy of single shots (according to the core dispersion characteristics CB and SB) could not exceed 10 cm, and reality was better than this figure. So, exalting 8, see how great achievement is not entirely correct.

The following quote is "... the penetration effect of bullets on a steel plate (10 mm) is increased 2 times (from 50 to 100 m)". Again, nothing is clear: what caliber bullets and indexes, bullets on what brand? Why is the punching action estimated in meters if the adopted characteristic is the percentage ratio of the number of penetrations of the number of shots? If we use the previous assumption, we can remember that our army has the following cartridges long ago: index 7Н10 (penetration effect is not less than 60% on a plate made of steel grade 3КП 16mm thick, set at an angle 90º, at a distance of 100 meters , 7Н22 index (penetration not less than 80% on an armor plate made of steel 2P 5 mm thick, set at an angle 90º, at a distance of 250 meters) 7N24 index (penetration action not less than 80% on an armor sheet made of 2XUMNUM steel grade (5% not more than an armor sheet from 90% steel grade) 350 mm installed at an angle of XNUMXº, at a distance of XNUMX meters). Strange.

"... the effectiveness of firing relative to the standard AK-74М increases in AK-12 and AK-15 twice, and in 6P67 in 2,3 times." “Horses, people” mixed again: what kind of fire, from what positions, at what distances, on what targets, in a subunit (offensive, defense) or a single shooter, qualification of shooters, with or without errors in determining the range and setting the sight? A large number of research and development projects carried out in the USSR, based on a huge statistical result, proved that it is impossible to increase the effectiveness of firing 1,5-2 times on traditional schemes, and balanced automatics achieve this figure only with a very large firing rate (from 2600 to 6000 ./min.) with the expected reduction in the service life of parts and the deterioration of reliable operation. The latest OCD, in which it was possible to achieve the fulfillment of these requirements, was the topic “Abakan”, which ended with the adoption of the AN-94 machine gun (index 6П33). Unfortunately, for some reason this model was forgotten by the leadership of the Ministry of Defense and did not fully participate in the tests on the “Warrior” theme, although this could shed light on this whole epic.

"By the accuracy of AK-74M" body kit, it surpasses AK-74M almost 1,3 times ". Due to what technical solution AK-74M from the warehouses of the MO without interference with the automation could achieve such results? It is doubtful that changes in ergonomic nature and replacement of DFC allow it to be done without the occurrence of side effects (an increase in the acoustic impact on the shooter, unmasking of the shooter (increased flame, elevation of dry soil particles), etc.).

"... that is, the implementation of the standard need time in 4,4 times more." Again, it is not clear what should be done with AK-74М to obtain such results and why, for correctness of the comparison, the same standards are not given, but already for experienced automata (especially balanced ones).

Summarizing. The article left a strange "aftertaste." The impression is growing that with the collapse of the GRAU and the established test system, the level of knowledge of the specialists responsible for adopting new models steadily falls and sinks to information from the Internet and someone’s subjective notions about the beautiful. And the reports from the pages of the Red Star are nothing more than an attempt to save a good face on a bad game. If not worse, a demonstration of a complete lack of understanding of the essence of the events and the inability to control them ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 2 December 2017 06: 26 New
    +2
    I apologize. Author M. Degtyarev, do you have any relation to the famous gunsmith?
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 2 December 2017 06: 40 New
      +3
      I support the question. According to the tone of the article, he is an expert in small arms, the highest category.
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 2 December 2017 08: 35 New
        0
        Most likely, the author is trying to refute the thesis that nature rests on the descendants of geniuses!
      2. avt
        avt 2 December 2017 11: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        According to the tone of the article, he is an expert in small arms, the highest category.

        Regarding lobbying for AEK? wassat I somehow believe bully Since of the declared pokatushek from TOTAL ,, Ratnik "described only ,, Kalash" bully
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 2 December 2017 11: 27 New
      +7
      And what to do if our universities are cut off in higher education. Now they are releasing entirely one manager in all specialties with an emphasis on the English language - stupid blanks for a business that we do not have and will not have until the foreign Central Bank of the Russian Federation steers. laughing
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 2 December 2017 21: 34 New
        +1
        You are stupid. Define the word management?
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 3 December 2017 00: 02 New
          +2
          management - management, administration, directorate, board, ability to cope.
    3. Deck
      Deck 2 December 2017 14: 08 New
      0
      This is just a conflict between the chief editor of Kalashnikov magazine and the Kalashnikov concern. Type: I ask your favorite competent authorities to pay attention ...
  2. Awaz
    Awaz 2 December 2017 08: 36 New
    +7
    it doesn’t matter what role the author’s surname plays, but it is suspicious that he is pushing the theme of Abakan.
    Although, in general, the idea of ​​the article is clear. The principle, in fact, is all these statements about the superiority of new weapons, mainly the urapatriotic cries of people with a weak mentality or interested individuals who need to bring a product to the customer at the maximum price. It is unlikely that anyone will conduct any serious tests or worse, hardly anyone will bring us real test data. All that is highlighted is the moist desires of the manufacturers.
    Sadly that's all ...
    1. seos
      seos 2 December 2017 13: 59 New
      13
      I don’t see the breaking through of Abakan’s theme ... I see criticism of the article about “weapons for the warrior”. The author is well done, the article was really strange, it seems that the author has boiled wassat
    2. RF man
      RF man 2 December 2017 15: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: AwaZ
      It is unlikely that anyone will conduct any serious tests.

      Why suddenly such conclusions? NOBODY, after all, has seen full-fledged test results.
      ALL reasoning is that OUR that the author of the "critical" article is based ONLY on the article "Stars". In fact, on a short note on the results of many months of testing.
      One journalist froze as best he could and that he knew and drove a wave of reasoning ...
    3. Buffet
      Buffet 3 December 2017 11: 57 New
      0
      And what does "Warrior-3" have to do with it? It is only a rifle complex. At the ARMY forum, the developers were very boasting about their exoskeleton designs ..
  3. Settlement Oparyshev
    Settlement Oparyshev 2 December 2017 08: 49 New
    +5
    The question was: Where does the Warrior go? Well, where does he go?
    With weapons, it’s already clear that AK will not be replaced in the next 100 years.
    The USSR is no longer there, there is no one to do so much research on the topic, and early maturities, although good ones, will never become mass. About units, even time is not worth wasting.
    1. seos
      seos 2 December 2017 14: 06 New
      +2
      They will do ... now the understanding of the concept of small arms of the future is just happening and a new generation of rifles is appearing. There is also a tendency to return a rifle cartridge for automatic rifles.
      1. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 2 December 2017 15: 19 New
        +4
        What is the essence of modern? The smarter the scope, the faster you shoot first.
        Weapons are no longer as important as sights.
        1. Krabik
          Krabik 2 December 2017 17: 22 New
          +1
          So this topic was relevant in the Second World War, not for nothing that the Germans of the Red Army, as partridges were shot ...
          1. Awaz
            Awaz 2 December 2017 17: 42 New
            +8
            just the Germans did not differ in the quality of shooting. The automatic weapons of the same Germans at the beginning of the war were a rather rare type of armament (one should not believe the cinematic versions of the war) But the shooting of well-trained Red Army soldiers from a mosin, very annoyed the advancing Germans. As far as I remember from German documents from Army Group Center, they reported that by the end of JULY 41, 90 percent of all the junior officers who had started this very war were knocked out. The main damage during the Second World War was caused by artillery systems and aircraft in conjunction with tanks. The rearrangement of the infantry did not particularly seriously affect the losses. This is a known fact. The war in the Donbass and Syria show the same thing ... Therefore, the most important thing in weapons in the war is its reliability
            1. Krabik
              Krabik 2 December 2017 18: 31 New
              0
              The Germans have always been distinguished by high-quality equipment, so your hope for Mosin did not materialize;)

              And in our case, the conversation was about the sight, which the Red Army had few, but the Germans had enough.

              Actually, our snipers tried to put German sights as theirs were of poor quality and there were few of them.
              1. Awaz
                Awaz 2 December 2017 18: 41 New
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                The USSR, unlike the Germans, did not try to produce enemy weapons, in general, nothing. However, fascist Germany tried both Katyusha and T 34 and Grabin’s guns and even PPSh. With the cannons of Grabin they succeeded - they produced quite a lot of good quality that even the Red Army did not dare to use them. With PPSh it turned out a little worse. That is, they did it, but did not manage to bring it to the Soviet level (although in the USSR in those years they made machine guns for women and boys half-starved on old machines, often not in unheated rooms and sometimes under an open halo), the T 34 could not be although similar, but completely losing in all respects. Therefore, lovers of Western gloss all the time compare the T 34 and the Tiger, which then are not one class of weapons and can not be compared. The Germans failed to create systems like Katyusha at all. Right now about optics. Well, yes, in the USSR there were problems with this, but snipers of the USSR still defeated the German. The trained Red Army men without optics snapped Wehrmacht officers at once from such distances that the Germans mistook them for snipers. So do not shizdet here and try to praise our German quality. They knew how to do something, what the Russians knew how to do. And judging by the fact that the Russians won, they knew how to do it better in general
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 2 December 2017 18: 58 New
                  0
                  You are trying to drag me into the swamp of empty talk.

                  And already from the sights you switched to the T-34 and Katyusha.
                  1. Awaz
                    Awaz 3 December 2017 09: 18 New
                    +5
                    when there is nothing to answer - there are always left excuses. Sights in the sniper game played a role of course, but not significantly. In addition, Zeiss optics did not help the Wehrmacht. But, you raised the topic of optics in order to demonstrate to us the quality of German weapons. So I gave you iron examples that the quality was so-so, and not only weapons, but also engineering. Have you ever seen in your life or even better - sorted PCA? So I saw, this is actually a few not very well-crafted tins, but not being able to repeat it - says that the Germans did not have everything so well with technology and production. Everyone loves scolding the USSR for copying Western technology. However, even in the modern world, the very same Chinese still cannot copy many high-tech things. But the bullshit of the USSR did not copy, only the highest quality products. The story is about some sort of American airplane. Apart from the USSR, someone else tried to copy it, but it didn’t work out ..
              2. bunta
                2 December 2017 19: 09 New
                +5
                Quote: Krabik
                our snipers tried to put German sights because theirs were of poor quality and there were few

                ZF-4 go or ZF-41 :) rzhunimagu
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 2 December 2017 21: 34 New
                  0
                  My information is from movies and everyday reality.

                  If you disagree, then let's compare the Soviet sights of the Second World War with the German sights, if you are ready to compare, and not breed demagoguery.
                  1. bunta
                    2 December 2017 22: 31 New
                    +8
                    If you disagree, then let's compare the Soviet sights of the Second World War with the German


                    Let's:
                    The aperture ratio of the ZF-41 was apparently very low, with all the ensuing consequences. Later, when I managed to get acquainted with the working ZF-41 sight, stored in VIMAIViVS, the observation through it reminded me of an attempt to see the world through a hole the size of a penny coin at arm's length. This is even less convenient than looking into a keyhole. It is not surprising that the Germans were very eager to use Soviet sniper rifles - our PU-40 SVT optical sight is simply a masterpiece of technical thought, compared to the ZF-41 - this "miracle of hostile technology." However, already in 1942, the Germans adopted the ZF-42 optical sight designed according to the classical scheme, and in 1944, an even more advanced example of the ZF-4 sight. However, ZF-41 sniper rifles were used in the Wehrmacht on all fronts until the very end of the war.

                    http://www.smedvedem.ru/pages/604/

                    ZF-4 was a copy of the Soviet PU.

                    Also read the memoirs of Syutkus, Olendorf or Bauer.
                    1. Awaz
                      Awaz 3 December 2017 09: 27 New
                      +2
                      I honestly did not know that German optics was so deplorable. I saw a Soviet sniper mosinka and looked at targets through the scope. Compared with modern ones - the sight was, I say, deplorable ... However, along with the Germans, not everything was so chic))) In general, as usual
                  2. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 3 December 2017 13: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Krabik
                    My movie info

                    Do you draw arguments for the argument in enemy propaganda?
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 3 December 2017 14: 00 New
                      +1
                      Enemy propaganda is quite effective and forms the opinion they need.

                      Especially when children go to the movies and see American super heroes.

                      And then they ask - "Dad, why is Superman in shorts over a trench coat so cool and helps everyone, but the Panfilov’s suffered?"
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 3 December 2017 14: 05 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Krabik
                        Enemy propaganda is quite effective and forms the opinion they need.

                        But referring to it is not very smart.
                        Quote: Krabik
                        And then they ask - "Dad, why is Superman in shorts over a trench coat so cool and helps everyone, but the Panfilov’s suffered?"

                        Probably because papa's mind did not have enough to explain to the child the difference between fiction and reality. My children are asking me whether this is true or not, and then they laugh at Superman and admire Panfilov’s.
                        Spend more time with your children.
              3. Settlement Oparyshev
                Settlement Oparyshev 2 December 2017 20: 11 New
                +2
                For the first time I heard that German sights were superior to Soviet ones. Sights were of the same level, which is better which is worse. 4-2x. 10x were units and were used mainly by super snipers. The training was competent on both sides.
              4. RF man
                RF man 2 December 2017 21: 34 New
                +4
                Quote: Krabik
                the conversation was about a sight, which the Red Army had few, but the Germans had enough.

                If about the sights of small arms, then the Germans did not have any advantage in open sights.
                There was a period (it seems 1942-1943) when the Germans outnumbered the number of snipers, but the SAM itself (like the rifle) was quite successful.
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 2 December 2017 22: 15 New
            +6
            not for nothing that the Germans of the Red Army, as partridges were shot ...

            If about a discussion of feature films, then you should go to another site.
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 2 December 2017 17: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: pp to Oparyshev
          Weapons are no longer as important as sights.

          Oh how ... belay Well, the 21st century, in the yard - you can kill only by aiming. Yes, shooting is not necessary fellow wassat
    2. smart ass
      smart ass 2 December 2017 21: 36 New
      0
      It's time to start creating weapons on new principles is not necessarily a firearm. Dope can suck gunpowder another 100 years?
  4. andrewkor
    andrewkor 2 December 2017 08: 50 New
    +7
    I want to note that the AN-64 Nikonov assault rifle, executed according to the gun monitor with the accumulation of recoil momentum, even surpasses the AK-74 in accuracy in the first three shots in the automatic mode, owing to its particular design, it loses a lot in the rest: in weight, complexity from here and reliability, accuracy with single shots, ergonomics (the store is located with an inclination from the axis of the weapon). Even in special forces, where he is partially armed, he is not particularly favored.
    1. serriy
      serriy 2 December 2017 09: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: andrewkor
      Even in special forces, where he is partially armed, he is not particularly favored.

      Judging by your flag, they don’t favor him in harsh Uzbek special forces. laughing laughing negative
      It is unlikely that any of the Russian special forces grinds you with language, "favors, not favors." negative "Partially in service" ... laughing laughing
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 2 December 2017 16: 51 New
        +2
        I personally saw AKM at our special forces! What should I do if the Military Industrial Complex is absent in Uzbekistan, in principle, thanks to the all-Union division of labor! The republic received everything else for life for cotton, gas, uranium, and gold.
        1. serriy
          serriy 2 December 2017 20: 46 New
          +1
          I saw akm, smart girl, but why abakan to blame !? am
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  5. erased
    erased 2 December 2017 09: 13 New
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    There is such garbage - a professional in his field. Starting from the fitter, milling machine operator, turner, steelmaker to the director of the plant, the minister, the head of state. So in the USSR, these pros were everywhere. Not always - it should be noted, but everywhere. There was not only a school of mastery growth, there was a continuous chain of knowledge transfer and experience accumulation. A beginner studied with a veteran, became a professional, his skill grew.
    With the collapse of the USSR, not only the entire industry was destroyed, but also the education system, the continuity chain was broken, and as a result, the pros disappeared. That is, the old ones remained, but the new ones no longer exist. And with the departure of the old people everything fell. If the director of a plant, the head of a defense enterprise, the head of a workshop are placed on the blat of a relative or acquaintance, what can I talk about? If the ministers, the leadership of the industries in their field are hard to beat - what can we expect? Another failure with the launch of a rocket? There is one! Low quality equipment for various purposes? But what about! Instead of the pros came amateurs, clutching the tops. So we are reaping the benefits of their "effective management." And the further, the worse it will be.
    The USSR, after all - Evil, everything Soviet - is totalitarian. Well, if so - eat democratic and liberal!
    I never thought that the degradation of man and society could reach such a bottom. But I thought badly! There is no limit to this bottom.
    Today's Russia, in the words of fashionable advertising, is hype! Hail to death! Not long left.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 2 December 2017 10: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: erased
      The USSR, after all - Evil, everything Soviet - is totalitarian. Well, if so - eat democratic and liberal!

      good drinks for the second part of the phrase!






      Quote: erased
      I never thought that the degradation of man and society could reach such a bottom. But I thought badly! There is no limit to this bottom.

      Yes - there are minus any degrees in mathematics there, which means it’s always possible to fall below the baseboard fellow
      Especially when there is something to compare yes
  6. Foundling
    Foundling 2 December 2017 10: 55 New
    +7
    The idea of ​​achieving precision and power from a gross automatic weapon with a sniper rifle is initially utopian. In Ratnik, the equipment itself is good, including good splinter protection (6B50 glasses, 6B47 helmet, wonderful 6B49 anti-fragmentation suit). Bronik 6Б45 turned out to be very successful, light and with a sufficient degree of protection against non-sniper weapons. Fantastic sighting system, control and target designation system "Sagittarius". And gunsmiths have been walking in circles for hundreds of years, then decreasing the caliber and increasing the accuracy of fire, or vice versa - increasing the caliber and increasing the piercing ability of the weapon + a separate dead-end branch for creating megablasts, conceptually unsuitable for trench mud and standing like a cast-iron bridge!
    1. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 2 December 2017 15: 21 New
      +1
      By the way, the splinterproof coat is being replaced with a felt cloak.
    2. WapentakeLokki
      WapentakeLokki 2 December 2017 19: 16 New
      +1
      It is incorrect to compare the sniper and the machine gun, they have a different fire mode and the fact that in Russia they were the first to approach the topic of “balanced automation” is already a plus, but of the minuses this is what they came up and got up. Ammunition 5.56 and 5.45 does not provide penetration of modern body armor and therefore or do you need a new one (example 6.5 mm) or you won’t argue with returning to 7.62 by 39? Equipping linear shooters with optics (due to the development of technologies that have become reasonably cheap) can improve accuracy at distances of over 400 m where traditional front sight and slot do not play anymore but it’s obvious (because the alternative to flood everything with automatic fire, as our southern users from Muslim countries like to do, leads to wild consumption of BC without obvious positive). As a result, the modern army of Russia and its distant ancestors have to conduct a policy of warfare as with high-tech Europe (dressed in armor) and crowds of wild southerners with old Kalash and volumes of Qur'an at the same time in quantities requiring carts of ammunition and shells (+ the eternal theme on Ru si: and where are we going to bury you all reptiles?) that is, as in the time of Moscow, Alexander Nevsky and Dmitry Donskoy.
      P.Syu And having a megablaster would not be bad, and the issue of cost in the army is always not in the first place, especially given its effectiveness: one shot and the entire field in the Papuans
      1. Svateev
        Svateev 2 December 2017 19: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        Ammunition 5.56 and 5.45 does not provide penetration of modern body armor and therefore either need a new (example 6.5 mm) or return to 7.62 on 39 will not argue?

        We will argue.
        The AKN of the 7,62mm caliber has almost the same breakdown ability as the AK74, with only 7-10 more percent (compare the corresponding tables in their instructions). The old 7,62mm cartridge also does not penetrate modern individual armor protection.
        To increase penetration, you must:
        1) change the material of the bullet core, and here almost everything possible has already been done in caliber 5,45mm
        2) increase the speed of the bullet, and this is a new cartridge. And the caliber here is a secondary issue.
        1. Glory1974
          Glory1974 2 December 2017 22: 21 New
          +1
          increase the speed of the bullet, and this is a new cartridge. And the caliber here is a secondary issue.

          As far as I know, since the end of the 80's, they came to the conclusion that the 5,45 * 39 cartridge has exhausted its resource, and in order to increase the effectiveness of shooting, you need a weapon of 6,5 caliber. The topic "Abakan" showed it .. But since there is no money, we are waiting.
          1. Foundling
            Foundling 3 December 2017 10: 47 New
            0
            Arisaka was already with the Japanese in the caliber 6,5. Also insufficient power
      2. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 2 December 2017 20: 21 New
        +1
        What is this expression: 5.56 and 5.45? This is the same caliber, only measured in different ways, either by field or by bottom.
        A penetration and failure is provided by the hit of 2-5 bullets.
      3. RF man
        RF man 2 December 2017 21: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: WapentakeLokki
        Ammunition 5.56 and 5.45 does not provide penetration of modern body armor

        It depends mainly on the type of bullet.
        In grenade fragments of grenade launchers and AGS, the penetration ability is much worse, but no one says anything about replacing them
  7. Inzhengr
    Inzhengr 2 December 2017 11: 41 New
    10
    The author of the article, unfortunately, correctly assesses the situation. The destruction of minds led to a paradoxical situation - absolutely civilians impose their fantasies on the “specialists” of the GRAU, in whose heads they mixed together a bunch of sports, movies, articles from fashionable weapons magazines, brochures from exhibitions, stories from online forums and so on, and so on, And so on.
    On the technical side, Michael is right to 200%. Efficiency figures with a probability of at least 0,995 are taken from the ceiling or fitted and falsified.
  8. NEXUS
    NEXUS 2 December 2017 12: 01 New
    +5
    There are a lot of questions on the machine for the Warrior ... in order.
    The first, and rhetorical-Why, after winning the AEK-971 assault rifle in a competition, were the products sent for revision and announced the second round of the competition?
    The second question - I don’t understand why the AK-12, and not the AK-107, which practically doesn’t “walk” and does not drop the barrel when firing?
    The third question is one of the most important for me. When will gunpowder appear to us no worse than that of Western manufacturers and when will a new cartridge be developed? Our weapons are not worse in quality, and in many cases better than Western models, but we lose a lot as gunpowder. And the cartridge ... in fact, we are producing a cartridge from 100 years ago, released for the three-ruler. Moreover, the quality of our cartridges is lower than that of the western ones (I'm talking about the manufacture itself).
  9. Operator
    Operator 2 December 2017 12: 54 New
    +1
    Domestic gunsmiths were twitching - the US Defense Ministry announced plans to switch to high-pulse cartridges, and in our country, the horse did not roll in low-pulse cartridges since 1974. The Izhevsk-Kovrov cuckoo clock (AN and AEK) does not count - their resource and reliability are several times less than the required level.
  10. Raphael_83
    Raphael_83 2 December 2017 16: 17 New
    +6
    Really, do not worry about the frankly advertising messages of defective PR specialists. It’s time to come to terms with the fact that this total illiteracy, ignorance, inability to consistently, logically and consistently express thoughts, the absence of the minimum possible analytics and conclusions - this is all that awaits us all right now in absolutely all areas of life, and not only the publications of the accredited mouthpiece of the Ministry of Defense.
    From SW. hi
    PS
    From time to time (according to old friendships, common interests / hobbies) I communicate with a number of teachers in USATU, USNTU, USMU, BSU - according to their universal (but independent of others) opinion: current students are full of seams, so stock up on popcorn. Gos. management, economics and finance, construction, resource extraction, logistics, medicine, teaching and much, much more. Very soon they will find themselves in deep ... What can I be struck by the jingoistic patriotic tantrums. fellow
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 3 December 2017 00: 20 New
      +2
      Fortunately, not everyone goes for a diploma, there are still (not many) young people who go to techies and institutes for knowledge and initial skills, and they manage to get professional skills at workplaces without interruption from studies. hi
      1. Raphael_83
        Raphael_83 3 December 2017 12: 37 New
        +2
        Yes, you are right, but their number and efforts cannot correct the situation, alas recourse
        1. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 3 December 2017 16: 16 New
          +1
          Like a prayer. "Let's hope for the best, arctic fox!"
  11. complete zero
    complete zero 2 December 2017 16: 55 New
    +1
    all these innovations are more and more reminiscent of pumping a bean from taxpayers ... seen a lot of fantasy and sculpt "costumes"
  12. Petrik66
    Petrik66 2 December 2017 17: 27 New
    +7
    And where did you get the idea that they are preparing decent menagers? Yes, you will not find them in the afternoon with fire, neither managers, nor salespeople, nor marketers. Where do they come from? Who is teaching them? Those over 35 - i.e. A new layer of managers is distinguished by a clear focus on pushing dough. They have no time to learn, they have no time to strain, they need to be overcome and mastered. Guy Kawasaki, a billionaire, one of the creators of the very concept of venture capital funds, came to Moscow a couple of years ago. He spoke to an audience of those who paid 500 bucks for 8 hours. He crucified, explained, and then he and his partner Scott asked: Guys, we are very rich people who have made themselves and would like to get a backlash !!!! But then, only two young ladies came out with a selfie to do with them .....
  13. starpur
    starpur 2 December 2017 18: 18 New
    +4
    To be honest - sick of it!
    The debate about which trunk is better is endless and the end and edge are not visible. Why no one pays attention to such a thing: there is an infinite number of tests, test comparisons, but such a trifle is forgotten - all tests are conducted by professional testers, usually officers, at shooting ranges and at training grounds. In real combat conditions (IMHO), smearing will be both single and bursts. This accuracy will be needed in the first shot, and then - to whom God sends ... That's just to teach to shoot, not sparing cartridges, not famous - three test, ten credits, and something extraordinary. Maybe I fell behind the realities, served for a long time, but my heart is broadcasting - on cartridges for training ordinary soldiers - they still save ....
    1. Glory1974
      Glory1974 2 December 2017 22: 28 New
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      but the heart is broadcasting - on cartridges for training ordinary soldiers - they still save ....

      I agree with you here. But still, the topic of the article is a new weapon. Therefore, we are discussing it.
    2. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 3 December 2017 00: 24 New
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      You are lucky, in two years in the service I shot six rounds for two times and all the tests! smile
      I even hit a growth target from 300 meters ...., once, ..... probably by accident or a neighbor helped. laughing
    3. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 3 December 2017 01: 03 New
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      there is not any saving. there are standards. they are taught by them. literally a few days ago I had a conversation on this topic, so they personally told me that over the past few years they have been shot forward for life. it is necessary to know the system itself how the cartridges issue how they control. that is hemorrhage. Surplus surrender is generally darkness so that they burn everything that they gave out.
      1. RF man
        RF man 3 December 2017 10: 12 New
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        Quote: cariperpaint
        and the last few years have gone forward for a lifetime.

        My friends in Moscow noticed a difference - now with all trips to the country, they hear shooting all along the route-)
  14. complete zero
    complete zero 2 December 2017 22: 23 New
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    Quote: starpur
    To be honest - sick of it!
    The debate about which trunk is better is endless and the end and edge are not visible. Why no one pays attention to such a thing: there is an infinite number of tests, test comparisons, but such a trifle is forgotten - all tests are conducted by professional testers, usually officers, at shooting ranges and at training grounds. In real combat conditions (IMHO), smearing will be both single and bursts. This accuracy will be needed in the first shot, and then - to whom God sends ... That's just to teach to shoot, not sparing cartridges, not famous - three test, ten credits, and something extraordinary. Maybe I fell behind the realities, served for a long time, but my heart is broadcasting - on cartridges for training ordinary soldiers - they still save ....

    I don’t know (served in the military service during the Soviet Union) .. ran into sweets (especially in training))))
  15. Sergey824
    Sergey824 5 December 2017 13: 33 New
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    I'd like to know the ratings of one or another of the practitioners participating in the trials. This also applies to weapons and uniforms. And then we hear mainly functionaries saying that black is white, and we do not understand our happiness.
  16. Victorio
    Victorio 5 December 2017 16: 06 New
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    so these are questions and complaints to whom, to the journalist / s who wrote unqualified material, or to the management, who published this material