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Colors and symbolism of "color revolutions"

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Of course, the new totalitarian regimes do not necessarily look like the old ones. Governance through repression and executions, specially organized hunger, arrests and exile are not only inhumane (nowadays few people care about it), but also - and this can be proved - ineffectively, but in the era of advanced technologies inefficiency is a terrible sin Lord. A totalitarian state that deserves the name of a truly “effective” is a system where the omnipotent executive committee of political leaders, relying on an entire army of administrators, holds in its hands an enslaved population that even unnecessarily forced to work, for it gladly accepts its slavery. Making people fall in love with the slave situation is the main task of the ministries of culture, chief editors of newspapers and school teachers in current totalitarian states.
Aldous Huxley. New preface to the novel "Beautiful New World", 1946.



One of the fundamental principles of PR is the correct choice of symbols, separating the masses. Recall all the great revolutions: “Bastille” and “Boston Tea Party”, “Don't step on me” or the Gadsden flag of 1776, the French tricolor and Phrygian cap of 1793 of the year, “Yankee Doodle” and “Marseillaise” are all “signs », Helping people to unite, to identify their identity and spiritual unity.


Honeysuckle Capricole. If I personally would be offered to create another emblem of the "color revolution", then I would suggest a "revolution of honeysuckle." All that is connected with “zhi” is life, and life is hope for the best. Honeysuckle extremely long-lasting and hardy plant. Age over 60 years for honeysuckle is the norm; honeysuckle can withstand frosts up to - 40 ° C, and is not afraid of either spring or summer frosts. In addition, there are a lot of honeysuckle species, more than 200, that is, to all social groups of the population of any country - who likes what honeysuckle, let it go with this one - all for the sake of the people's interests! In Russia, for example, there are about 50 species and varieties of honeysuckle. These are very ornamental, evergreen and deciduous shrubs and creepers, some often used for gardening arches, arbors and making hedges.

Here and in modern “color revolutions”, colors and symbols also have almost paramount importance, precisely as some important sign systems. It is clear that meaningful, that is, verbal communication is very important, for example, the slogan “Peace to the Cabins - War to the Palaces”. But non-verbal signs affect the very deep areas of the human psyche (the preconscious and the subconscious) and therefore are no less important, but more primitive and more for people. Political technologists understand this perfectly, which is why the appearance of such emblems as “red rose” or “red tulip” as revolutionary symbols is not at all accidental.

To begin with, the simplest sign systems cause simple (deep) emotions (such as rage, fear, disgust, triumph, bliss), which can suppress or, on the contrary, arouse a person’s desire to act. And it is very important that while they do not stimulate purposeful activity and form an emotional mood among the masses. Well, we know from military practice that in some cases, such as psychic attacks, for example, the outcome of a military operation may depend on this attitude. In addition, sign systems are useful in that they appeal to a person’s social experience, which leads him to self-identification based on his religious, political and other views, and, finally, to a decisive act. A symbol is a sign designating comrades and pointing to opponents, that is, dividing a society into friends and foes. And it is very important for people to have “their own” and “strangers” in order to identify with one another and receive approval from them, and to fear and hate others!

Colors and symbolism of "color revolutions"

Honeysuckle early flowering.

It is known that in Ancient Rome, the Senate somehow allowed all of the slaves to be dressed in the same clothes, but refused this idea, reasoning that it would be easier for them to identify themselves and establish themselves in the opinion of their numerical superiority over free citizens and rebel.

In addition, the visual image, like the olfactory, taste, tactile and sound, is a more archaic structure compared to verbal images. Not every verbal image is identified correctly. Not every person has enough life experience to imagine in his imagination a flower of verbena or, say, the same tatarnik from the story of L. Tolstoy “Hadji Murad”. And where today the person from the city will see the same tartarnik?


Tatar Honeysuckle is an international flower, even so ...

But if you show the flower to him, that is, use his visual channel to receive information, and even call him the subject of the demonstration, he will remember it forever. The white fist in a circle and on a black background became a symbol of the Belgrade “revolution”, and before this “boxers” revolution in China. That is, everything that a person sees, everything that is simple for recognition, and that easily penetrates into the subconscious, should be used to recruit adherents of a movement, revolution or sect.

The reason is that they produce a collective feeling that is important for people - syntony, which can be complemented by mass processions, pickets and acts of self-immolation, that is, actions that make the “crowd man” identify with the heroes of all these actions. As a result, the picture of the world is distorted. Elementary theft becomes an act of social retribution, and a mentally ill person becomes a leader, and a completely blatant swindler becomes president!

In modern conditions, the ability to quickly communicate (social networks, live magazines and blogs, etc.) significantly increases the suggestibility of a large number of people. However, many psychologists, psychoanalysts and experts on network communication indicate that the introduction of “YouTube”, “Flickr” and “Twitter” contribute to the degradation of verbal signs of the language and replace it with emoticon symbols. Put a smiley, the other joined - and he has his own. To create a "community" in this way, that is, a "community" is easier than the easy one. Then we create our heroes in this community (“who collected likes the most!”), Then the “heroes” set goals for the others, and there is not far to social protest: “We are not allowed to draw smileys on buildings, but people are born free So, it is the modern means of communication that have become one of the most important means for implementing the “color revolutions”. For example, YouTube, the third most visited website in the world (in January 2012, the daily number of views reached 4 billions, and today it has become even more), makes it possible to instantly send both authentic and falsified video clips that can cause horror and desire to punish the one who caused this feeling. Well, the role of the latter is usually played either by the political leader who is being criticized or by the members of the ruling party.


Honeysuckle curly.

What was the "fuse" of the so-called "Arab spring" in Tunisia and Egypt? Here's what: the “epidemic” of self-immolations with the immediate heroization of their victims on the Internet that followed. Although such actions are contrary to the canons of Islam, the victims were somehow shot down. Well - fanatics and fools are and will be. The main thing is to find them and push them a little in the right direction. It is important that you need to burn at least one. If you build information about him a hundred times, then unwillingly it will seem to people that there are many such self-burnt, if there are many, it is not difficult to convince people that “everyone is burning!”


Honeysuckle Maksimovich.

Well, having shown the charred corpses of these heroes, it is not at all difficult to cause empathy. Then anger and a thirst for justice. And if there is thirst, then there is nothing stronger than the desire to quench it.

Even just ten years ago. stories these suicides would be affected only by the smallest group of people — their acquaintances or neighbors. But today, by becoming symbols, they inspired entire communities. On the one hand, the desire to “be like everyone else” is to blame, on the other - I want to somehow stand out. And it is here that unity of purpose arises - we stand out together, and even struggle with something or someone.
And of course color plays a huge role in symbolism. Red - the most high-energy, "the color of the blood of fighters, spilled for freedom." In ancient China, the rebels called themselves “red warriors,” “red spears,” “red eyebrows,” and the Spartans wore red tunics and cloaks. So it is not surprising that the color red was chosen for the carnations in Portugal in 1974, roses in Georgia in 2003, and tulips in Kyrgyzstan in 2005.

White is the color of purity of thoughts. He tried to choose Y. Tymoshenko during her first opposition campaign, but ... unsuccessfully! In Russia, white color like God himself ordered to use. After all, this is also the color of the White Guard, the White Army, the king and the one with us - was also White. But something he did not catch on. Green is the color of hope. And for a party of greens better not to think. But we are still far from the green revolution. Not many people will want to lay down their heads behind the green lawn. Yes, and lawns still missing. So in the future, when the population of the planet will pass for 10 billion, then we'll see ...

But the blue color is bad. It is cold, it is the color of distancing. No wonder this is the color of the bailiffs! Purple is not good either. This is the color of hidden sexual fantasies. So, if you see a woman in a purple dress, purple shoes and a purple car, stay away from her. Not suitable and yellow. In the Middle Ages, it is the color of mercenary soldiers who served as soldier. Therefore, although yellow is the color of wealth, it is at the same time a color of betrayal!

But what does orange color mean, which played such a colossal role in Ukraine? In heraldry, this color is a pariah, is recognized only in several countries and in the Middle Ages unknown. But then the opinion of him changed. The great German poet Goethe, who considered the work on the creation of color theory to be his whole life, believed that orange color means warmth and bliss, that it is the color of heat. And this is not an invention of a romantic poet: scientists really note the activity of this color, and the effect it produces is viewed as exciting.


Honeysuckle Korolkov.

In the study of color-symbolic attributes of "color revolutions", you need to look also at those botanical samples that are used in them. Only in Belarus, during the protest movement, they tried to use the image of a bison, but to no avail. Much easier and more reliable than the usual fist in a circle, which can be black on a red background or red on black or white. Yes, in principle, whatever you like, because in any case the fist is power, and power is power! In addition, such a sign is easy to replicate on T-shirts, baseball caps, flags and badges. But vegetable symbols are softer! And their palette of associations is richer! So, the Georgian red rose is both a national flower, which is associated with the canvases of the artist Niko Pirosmani, and a symbol (thorns) of protection from the evil neighbor and the “occupier” - Russia. In Kyrgyzstan, the symbol turned out more difficult. By the end of 2004, it was supposed to be a yellow tulip. But the opposition did not like this flower: the yellow tulip is supposedly a symbol of separation. Therefore, the color of the tulip changed to red.

Jasmine, which was first proposed for Tunisia, is a declaration of love in Eastern literature, but in England it is a symbol of girlish modesty. It is believed that his fragrance enhances sensuality, and apparently, not without reason, Cleopatra tried to seduce Anthony with the help of jasmine oil. That is, this flower again was a hint of something soft. Imagine what it would be like if a saxaul would be chosen as a symbol of revolution!


Honeysuckle Pallas. And the berries are beautiful, though not striking ... A hint of "soft power" ...

The lotus, known from ancient Egyptian mythology, became the symbol of the Egyptian revolution. That is, for Egypt, it is better to simply not find a symbol. It's like chrysanthemum for Japan, and for Scotland - thistle.

But for some reason the majority of the Egyptians called the February revolution “a revolution of anger”, and not a “revolution of the lotus”. So, apparently, thinking about what “goes” is one thing, but the “harsh truth of life” sometimes is quite another!

By the way, such an emblem, like “white ribbons”, has not taken root in Russia either. Brightness they do not have enough ... Or too they quickly get dirty? But for Mexico, there is no problem. "The revolution of cacti" and this is obvious. Although ... and which cactus to choose? Where there is a lot of avocados, you can offer a symbol of it. This is a liana! And she wraps and strangles !! And the fruits are very convenient to throw!

In a word, there is still something to work for top-level political consultants. Because today, right before our eyes, there is a clear intensification of the struggle for world hegemony, and if earlier its means were crude and primitive, today the technologies of this struggle have been modernized in a serious way. The “color revolutions” with the use of “soft power” became one of them. But who warned, he is armed ...
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  1. Cat
    Cat 7 December 2017 06: 42 New
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    The problem of "recognition" in the battle of the enemy and friend totals millennia of history! Not younger than the “symbols” of both power and intentions! Flags, timpani, drums and flutes are all primarily a troop control system. Modern screens are nothing more than a renaissance of the old.
    As for the flowers, the war of the white and red roses is worthy of recall.
    Joke: Soviet flower theme in artillery - as a symbol of revolution and coups for the past half century.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 December 2017 07: 17 New
      +4
      But it is not clear what to invent? Only red color !!!!!!
      Good day, Vlad-Kotische!
      1. kalibr
        7 December 2017 07: 36 New
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        Dmitry, not so simple! Red ... And they will write to you - "They took the color of blood with their color, they show that they are eager to shed blood. Now there are no more evil empires over which bloody flags are flying! And now we see their reincarnation in motion ..." And very many having heard or read this ... are afraid. Others, like parrots, will begin to repeat this. Duplicate information as people are prone to this. And now the negative image of your movement is blinded. Then we find ... one of your "comrade" prone to violence. We provoke it and ... we get a new information block - "They are all like that!" Because distance from the bad people themselves become better. These are all methods of information management of a society that cannot be ignored!
        By the way, here's a creative task for you. You have a revolutionary party called “Red Belts” (from the “Gadfly” by E.L. Voynich - the standard task for PR-design) and now you need to come up with a flag for them. Think about what this drawing will depend on ... Think and try to draw. If you want ...
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 7 December 2017 08: 03 New
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          Now there are no more evil empires over which bloody flags fly!
          .. The late Ronald Reagan, probably to you Vyacheslav Olegovich, is now applauding ... One of the brightest representatives of the empire of good. humanism and peace ...
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 7 December 2017 08: 27 New
            +3
            Is it really one Reagan? The defeated armored train "United Russia", about which Vyacheslav told us, also Vlasov, who used it, also the white emigrant Lamsdorf GP, can’t count .....----- many opponents have red the flag. But many supporters
            1. kalibr
              7 December 2017 08: 50 New
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              What matters is not supporters, but what flag is developing on the towers of the Kremlin ...
          2. kalibr
            7 December 2017 08: 40 New
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            You understand that in reality all these are empty words addressed to the stupid masses of the people ... The same Americans under Reagan were worried about salaries, pensions, and medical insurance. 2% of the population was interested in international politics. Will we pay attention to them?
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 7 December 2017 11: 14 New
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              Quote: kalibr
              You understand that in fact all these are empty words addressed to the stupid masses ... ...... 2% of the population was interested in international politics. Will we pay attention to them?
              2% of the population of the Republic of Ingushetia cried that they were delightful in Russia evenings, why remember them? And the masses are not stupid. Deceived, loyal, but not stupid.
              1. kalibr
                7 December 2017 17: 21 New
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                Deceived, loyal, but not stupid - the experience of history shows that just stupid people are betrayed and deceived. Smart and deceive and betray themselves!
            2. Monarchist
              Monarchist 7 December 2017 17: 28 New
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              Caliber, I have enough of my worries so that I still pay attention to 2% of Americans of the Ronald Reagen period.
              By the way, how many Russians pay attention to international politics? Excluding our review, we are by no means more advanced
              1. kalibr
                8 December 2017 07: 51 New
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                I won’t name the exact numbers; they differ everywhere. But much more, much more! And this is bad! People are interested and spend energy on what they CAN’T CHANGE, but what they can - they are not interested in laziness either!
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 7 December 2017 08: 30 New
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          These slapsticks on the red flag are an example of bad public relations, as well as silence, blabbering of the achievements of the Soviet regime, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
          1. kalibr
            7 December 2017 08: 41 New
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            This is what you think, really it is not. But ... I asked you to think about the flag of the organization "Red Belts" ... Do you think?
            "... Silence, blabbering of the achievements of Soviet power"
            Do you want to be reminded of the year 91? So all these achievements did not help?
            Ah, the spies crawled ...
            And our spies could not ...
            They bribed our Gorbachev and K ...
            But we couldn’t
            Quite suckers, however ...
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 7 December 2017 11: 09 New
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              Quote: kalibr
              Ah, the spies crawled ...
              And our spies could not ...
              They bribed our Gorbachev and K ...
              But we couldn’t
              Quite suckers, however ...
              All this was the result of many years of work of PR-ists, both domestic and foreign. And you, Vyacheslav, like no one knows all this and do not speak on this subject. As at congresses, some formulations were replaced by similar, but different in meaning. How the prohibition mechanisms disappeared. And, for sure, there is much more, in those events, about which I have no idea. For example, A.A. Zinoviev, who left the USSR and then returned, spoke very faithfully of the sixties, and how all this lie was formed. And he also said that there was no crisis in the USSR, and that exactly Gorbachev’s reforms were a crisis. A.I. Fursov, repeatedly quoted the words of A.A. Zinoviev in his lectures.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 7 December 2017 16: 51 New
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                Quote: Reptiloid
                All this was the result of many years of work of PR-ists, both domestic and foreign.

              2. Monarchist
                Monarchist 7 December 2017 17: 40 New
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                Dima, what kind of Zinoviev are you talking about? I know only one thing, and the rest are purple for me, and the first one with my comrades shed a lot of Russian blood to remember him, let alone regret
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 7 December 2017 18: 55 New
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                  Glory, this is a completely different Zinoviev. He is a Russian writer, philosopher, and publicist. He died in 2006. He wrote about 40 books, criticized both the Soviet system and the Russian capitalist, as well as Western and globalization. You can read about it in W, watch stories on YouTube, books are on sale. In W, little is said about how Zinoviev was at the Second World War. He fought. He began his service in the cavalry in the Far East. Then, other military branches. He was a tanker, pilot. Was awarded. There are his memories of the Second World War, an assessment of events. Perestroika called disaster.
              3. kalibr
                7 December 2017 21: 27 New
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                The conclusion from your verbosity, Dmitry, is one - everyone worked badly! But the piarasts, both ours (which were not) and foreign (these, as usual!) Worked well. Teachers of the history of the CPSU, scientific communists, philosophers, the KGB - all worked badly! Do you have too few reasons for such statements? You, it seems, did not work in these structures?
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 7 December 2017 23: 28 New
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                  . It turns out that this is your conclusion, Vyacheslav. And your PR move: yourself what to write and declare it with the thoughts of another person. !!!!! I did not even know about other specialties, except for the teacher of the CPSU HISTORY. A philosopher is not a specialty. A. Zinoviev Why didn’t you please? I, on the contrary, thought that you would be delighted with this name, he also scolded the Soviet government.
                  And I always wrote before that I don’t understand about old newspapers and much more from that time. And many old films. And the humor in them.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  VVy, it seems, did not work in these structures?
                  I am flattered by the word LIKE. Thank you for your doubts.
                  1. kalibr
                    8 December 2017 07: 48 New
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                    Ignorance is not an excuse. The philosopher is the same specialty as the bricklayer. "Scolding Soviet power" is not the goal, is it not clear to you ?. The goal is to find the reasons for the collapse of such a state so that this does not happen again. Watch the Downton Abbey series at your leisure. Your impression will be interesting ...
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 8 December 2017 09: 48 New
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                      I won’t watch the series, rather a thriller, or read about it online. Sometimes I saw pieces from others. Some kind of tediousness. Like purely English murders, which I also see in people. Also, women are discussing murders at work. In those villages of the UK there are vices and perversions. Ugh, on them.
                    2. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 8 December 2017 10: 14 New
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                      Quote: kalibr
                      . "Scolding Soviet power" is not the goal, is it not clear to you ?. The goal is to find the reasons for the collapse of such a state so that this does not happen again. Take a look ...
                      I do not believe that you are looking for the reasons for the collapse. Then you would tell us about congresses, decrees, decrees, other documents and how the substitution took place gradually. Here I only learned about it and did you skip? It seems to me that you with some kind of gloating just repeatedly repeatedly kick the dead lion
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 10: 47 New
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                        It seems to me that you with some kind of gloating just repeatedly repeatedly kick the dead lion

                        Not with gloating, Dmitry, but in order to make sure that the lion died nevertheless. Doubts are gnawing.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 8 December 2017 11: 59 New
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                        In fact, human teachings, associations of a large number of people never disappear without a trace, dear Doctor. Many observers talk about this. Also about the archetypal image of Stalin now.
                      3. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 12: 31 New
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                        Quote: Reptiloid human teachings, associations of a large number of people never disappear without a trace

                        In general, I am writing about this. The idea that raised our state to such a height will not disappear. There is no need to explain this to the former party member and former historian of this party.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 9 December 2017 08: 04 New
                  +1
                  Just now I noticed that you, Vyacheslav, called PR specialists PIARASTS. But I’m different, decently!
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 December 2017 08: 31 New
          +3
          Fundamentally: a red strip on any colored background, preferably: the width of the strip should be the same with the background areas. In the middle of the red bar, you can add a stylized symbol of the castle, a condition: the symbol must be drawn by hand with one stroke.
          1. kalibr
            7 December 2017 08: 42 New
            +1
            Alas, the "standings" you did not pass! Although the castle symbol in the center is interesting!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 December 2017 08: 55 New
              +3
              I didn’t pass the test. I came up with this in a couple of minutes, in an hour I’ll nick down a dozen paragraphs of the theory, in another hour I’ll write tips on practical application, then I’ll salt it into any social network from different accounts. And I will pass the test. At the prosecutor’s office.
              Articles 280 and 282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
              1. kalibr
                7 December 2017 09: 03 New
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                Well, because there are no calls for inciting hatred, calls for the overthrow of the existing system. It's just ... training on logic, imagination, knowledge of history ... The novel "Gadfly" is not prohibited. So what are you talking about? And what you came up with in a couple of minutes only says that you need to learn any business, right? The time for cavalry attacks on anything has passed!
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 7 December 2017 09: 13 New
                  +5
                  Regarding to study - I agree! But I did not study, I out of the blue gave an idea that aroused your interest. Regarding the practical side of the matter ... Vyacheslav Olegovich, have you ever encountered our law enforcement system? I think no.
                  1. kalibr
                    7 December 2017 10: 31 New
                    +1
                    For many years I have been preparing specialists for her ... I work at the law faculty. And the fact that you gave an interesting result is only + in your favor. So you are smart and creative person. Eh, there is one way to find out for sure. Write to me in PM ...
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 7 December 2017 11: 12 New
                      +3
                      These specialists are future ones; they have not yet encountered the "filthy abominations of life", the system, and human nature. That's when they mate, let them be on the other side of the "barrier" (God forbid!) ....
                      Thanks for the offer! Be sure to write, a little later.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 7 December 2017 18: 29 New
                        +3
                        This is the color of hidden sexual fantasies. So if you see a woman in a purple dress, purple shoes and a purple car, stay away from her.

                        Anton, whatever you want, but I went looking for a woman in a purple dress and purple shoes. wink drinks who has what, but I have mine, Steamy laughing
                    2. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 7 December 2017 11: 18 New
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                      And about the Gadfly and the RED STRIP --- Vyacheslav Olegovich, I have a different generation, I was born in the USSR, in Leningrad, and to school ---- in Russia ...
        4. marline
          marline 7 December 2017 10: 53 New
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          You have a revolutionary party called “Red Belts” (from the “Gadfly” by E.L. Voynich - the standard task for PR-design) and now you need to come up with a flag for them.

          There are options:
          1. A fist tied with a red ribbon, or compressing it. Around you can add fire - orange with black.
          2. A sword with a red ribbon.
          3. Cross with a red ribbon.
          Only these are beautiful characters. With a flag, apparently, you need to be simpler - on a red background the same sword, fist and cross. Depending on who we focus on - the army, the masses or for faith we are glad.
          But in general, I think it’s necessary to invent your simple symbol - let me forgive uv. readers of the site, if I offend anyone, but the communists with the red star and the Nazis with the swastika did just that.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 December 2017 13: 08 New
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            The last paragraph is bravo! This is exactly what I meant when I said that the symbol should be drawn with one stroke. Examples: star, swastika, pacific ... The same thing with the flag. It must be understood that revolution, like war, is the work of the young. Therefore, the easier it is to draw a flag from cans on the wall, the greater the number of "electorate" you can cover.
            1. marline
              marline 7 December 2017 14: 16 New
              +1
              I agree. Although revolutions are now taking place more and more on the Internet and simplicity is no longer so important, a catchy symbol should easily be drawn on fences.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 7 December 2017 15: 32 New
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                The Internet is pumping information, revolutions are being made on the streets.
            2. kalibr
              7 December 2017 17: 25 New
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              And you are absolutely right ... We even went to the fence to check it!
          2. kalibr
            7 December 2017 17: 24 New
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            The rule is - the simpler, the better, but mentality is taken into account ... And I'll tell you later how this "rebus" is solved.
          3. Monarchist
            Monarchist 7 December 2017 18: 47 New
            +2
            I personally like the first option to Merlin and is connected with history: 1 “boxing uprising” and “Rot Front” -: “But Passaran” 2 “the oldest weapon” of man
            1. kalibr
              7 December 2017 21: 20 New
              +1
              It’s time to sleep, so I give a solution to the "rebus": 1. A fist tied with a red ribbon, or compressing it. Around you can add fire - orange with black.
              2. A sword with a red ribbon.
              3. Cross with a red ribbon.
              Not good. Why? Because the BELT, and you have individual items !!!
              We take into account the mentality: if minimalism is characteristic of culture - three longitudinal red stripes on a white field (purity of intentions) and EVERYTHING. For a culture of traditional, old, full of analogies, there are three knightly belts with downward-shifted ends, as on the arms in Scotland. In countries with a messianic mentality - a red St. Andrew's cross on white. Countries of the East - three red sash of fabric - a traditional fellah belt! All! You can argue, of course, but this is the best solution based on these variables.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 8 December 2017 08: 21 New
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                Very difficult. Justification I have already given.
              2. marline
                marline 8 December 2017 09: 27 New
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                Clear. Your options are also not without a drawback, for the masses they will resemble:
                Three belts - too many horizontal lines, similar to the US flag or motorsport. They say that either Washington’s influence agents or athletes, do we need it?
                The red St. Andrew’s cross on white is the flag of St. Patrick — the Union Jack, yet the Americans again respect him very much, especially from the south. Everyone will think that we are going to lynch blacks ...
                Three red sashes made of fabric - to be honest I can hardly imagine how it just looks on the flag .... You certainly won’t draw on the fence ...
                IMHO, you still need your own simple symbol on a red background. As an option, three intersecting circles, or triquetre.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 20 New
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                  Quote: merlin IMHO, you still need your own simple symbol on a red background.
                  This symbol? wink

                  True, you can’t draw it on the fence, but you don’t need to. On the fence, the characters are correct, not drawn. laughing
                2. kalibr
                  8 December 2017 18: 53 New
                  0
                  "As an option, three intersecting circles, or trikvetre." And this is just an option with the Scottish arms ... It looks very nice. Everything else depends on the design. On the fence - three horizontal strips - one, two, three - quickly and easily!
      2. Pancir026
        Pancir026 8 December 2017 09: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Only red color !!!!!!

        Right.
        Since the time of ancient Russia, all the banners of leaders. Princes. Friends are different shades of RED.
        And if so, then why renounce traditions that have a thousand-year tradition?
        For the sake of Romanov’s whim? Https: //tarasow-ilya.livejournal.com/30416.html
        1. marline
          marline 8 December 2017 10: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: Pancir026
          all the banners of leaders. knyazev. friends are different shades of RED.

          Reminded: And the face is red ... the main thing is not all red, but the face is red ...
          Good color good
          1. ICT
            ICT 8 December 2017 17: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Pancir026
            Since the time of ancient Russia, all the banners of leaders. Princes. Friends are different shades of RED.

  2. ICT
    ICT 7 December 2017 07: 08 New
    +2
    if you would choose saxaul as a symbol of revolution




    Quote: Kotischa
    The problem of "recognition" in the battle of the enemy and friend totals millennia of history! Not younger than the “symbols” of both power and intentions! Flags, timpani, drums and flutes all this is primarily a system

    technology however
    1. kalibr
      7 December 2017 09: 06 New
      +1
      About saxaul ... I did not know that it blooms so beautifully. But ... for the mass consumer it is something dry and lifeless. And we focus on whom?
      1. ICT
        ICT 7 December 2017 12: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        About saxaul ... I did not know that it blooms so beautifully.

        himself in shock lol
        Quote: kalibr
        And we focus on whom?

  3. ICT
    ICT 7 December 2017 07: 47 New
    +2
    Quote: kalibr
    Now there are no more evil empires over which bloody flags fly!

    1. kalibr
      7 December 2017 08: 44 New
      +1
      Well, this was an example for Dmitry! In reality, every such phrase is pondered and run around ... And so you are right, of course, for Americans this is exactly what you need.
      1. ICT
        ICT 7 December 2017 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Of course, for Americans, this is what they need.

        like even started to make friends ............
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 7 December 2017 19: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Well, this was an example for Dmitry! In reality, each such phrase is pondered and run in ....
        And how to understand this? "It seems to run in" ...... ????? "Example for Dmitry" ----- even cooler !!! And are we here, are we not all talking together ?? Very strange....
        1. Cat
          Cat 7 December 2017 20: 29 New
          +2
          Dima good evening!
          I wanted to throw a couple of “red” flags, but I have a desire to say something else.
          1. Is the red flag a symbol of revolution? Yes, for more than two centuries, after the events in France. In other matters, the French tricolor as his state peer. Before the great French Revolution, it was the flag of the city of Paris, and instead of it a simple green flag could have been adopted, but history has no syllable declinations. If interested, then send you to A. Dumas.
          2. The red flag is one of the oldest symbols. Under him fought the Greeks, Persians, Romans and many, many other nations. However, like the Slavs. Almost all Russian princes went to Russia under red flags before the adoption of Orthodoxy. And in the future they did not shy away from him, although from the 11th century black banners with the faces of saints began to create competition for him. So historically, we, as descendants of the Slavs, have every right to the succession of the red flag as such. Moreover, we have officially fixed the red flag as a symbol of victory over fascist Germany.
          3. Star, cross, swastika, including the sickle and hammer symbols are so ancient that they can be found on ceramics 5-6 thousand years old and older. The trouble is that already the events of recent times in the person of one clown with a mustache ala Hitler, undermined the confidence in one of them.
          Why did I write all this? Attempts to explain the inexplicable to us and to tell about the complex in simple words, the winecotors cases are insignificant. If you want to make God laugh, tell him about your plans.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 8 December 2017 09: 40 New
            +1
            Good afternoon, Vlad-Kotishche! I read your comment yesterday. As often happens, I was glad and puzzled at the same time, today the result is the same. Your comments are not always clear to me.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 7 December 2017 07: 58 New
    +4
    But for Mexico there is no problem. The "cactus revolution" and this is obvious.
    ..No, it’s not obvious .. The flag of Mexico shows a coat of arms: an eagle sitting on a cactus devouring a snake ..
    1. kalibr
      7 December 2017 09: 09 New
      +2
      That's it! From the state symbols we choose FIRST PRIME. The eagle and the snake are secondary symbols !!! What is the foundation of everything - PEOPLE! Well and further on the article ... different beautiful -> damn <! - / filter.

      P.S. Initially, there were two other words at the end. But ... the site computer replaced them. This is where progress has come. Technique monitors our morality. I remembered our "doctor" who claimed that a computer wrote articles for me. Probably soon it will be so ...
  5. Korsar4
    Korsar4 7 December 2017 08: 20 New
    +3
    The idea is good. But at the species level is not identified. Here are the Scarlet and White Roses - the differences are striking. And here - more likely different corners of the collection, rather than the usual garden.
    1. kalibr
      7 December 2017 08: 45 New
      +3
      This is just an example of how political strategists are working now ... By the way, about the "war of roses" the material is about to go to print. Already written!
  6. XII Legion
    XII Legion 7 December 2017 09: 18 New
    18
    All this Brownian motion is difficult to calculate.
    Basically.
    In general, uncontrolled processes are doubly dangerous for anyone.
    Thank you!
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 December 2017 09: 24 New
      +5
      Difficult for a layman. Vyacheslav Olegovich is just preparing such specialists.
      1. XII Legion
        XII Legion 7 December 2017 09: 25 New
        17
        Then the process is in good hands good
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 December 2017 09: 33 New
          +3
          This is scary, and he is right a thousand times, we must learn this in order to resist at least on a personal level.
  7. andrewkor
    andrewkor 7 December 2017 09: 46 New
    +2
    A very poetic article, bravo!
  8. Boris55
    Boris55 7 December 2017 09: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: V. Shpakovsky
    ... today, right before our eyes, a clear intensification of the struggle for world hegemony is taking place ...

    Why today? This fight began from the moment Adam and Eve met. This began the distribution of labor as the most efficient way of managing - i.e. globalization has begun. If then Eve sat at home and gave birth to children, and Adam was a breadwinner, today Japan is microelectronics, China is consumer goods, etc ...
    The question is who will lead this process: the Anglo-Saxons, under the slogan "Who is not under us is against us" or Russia - "Let's guys live together." Putin outlined his vision of globalization in his article: http://www.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/56023 Thanks to this article, globalization in the Western version failed. Almost no documents were signed at the APEC summit. After the summit, T. May expressed general discontent of the West ...
    Quote: V. Shpakovsky
    ... if before her means were rude and primitive, today the technologies of this struggle have been modernized in the most serious way ...

    Which side do you yourself?
    That in some articles you admire Western culture,

    then in others - describe our squalor.

    So whose mill pour water?
    1. kalibr
      7 December 2017 10: 28 New
      +1
      At the mill the smartest! Everything according to Lenin is “to recognize our lack of culture and go on to learn capitalism!”
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 7 December 2017 11: 37 New
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        At the mill the smartest! Everything according to Lenin is “to recognize our lack of culture and go on to learn capitalism!”

        Here Gulchitai opened her face, your ideal is capitalism. The dominant culture in society forms the identity of the people. Western culture forms perverts - slaveholders and slaves. This culture has nothing to do with the Russian culture - the culture of justice, when there are no oppressors and there are no oppressed. When not everything is equal, and when everything is fair - "As I drowned, so I dug."
        And the most intelligent ... so they have come to us more than once in order to cultivate us and where are they? "So send to us, Vitia, Your embittered sons: There is a place for them in the fields of Russia, Among the coffins that are not alien to them." A.S. Pushkin.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 7 December 2017 12: 38 New
          +4
          The question is not simple. This in civilian could be asked - “Are you for the whites, or for the reds?”. And this is one of the signs of terrible times.

          When the enemy is visible - easier. And then according to Orwell, we are fighting with one country, then with another.

          If we take it as an axiom that capitalism is evil, is going to the chain store for bread an aid to evil?

          I think from any topic, and any discussion you can extract something useful.
          1. kalibr
            7 December 2017 17: 32 New
            +2
            I have repeatedly asked such fighters for justice: “Are you scribbling this from the dugout of the“ Faithful Leninist ”partisan detachment? Refused from the salary, pensions of the capitalist regime in an oppressed country ...“ No-no! Everything is OK, everything is tip-top. The only bad thing is that he, dear, is paid little. And they would pay more - with another chain dog there would be more capital, that's all.
            1. Pancir026
              Pancir026 7 December 2017 17: 48 New
              +3
              Quote: kalibr
              : “Are you scribbling this from the dugout of the“ Faithful Leninist ”partisan detachment? Refused from the salary, pensions of the capitalist regime in an oppressed country ... Everything is OK, everything is tip-top. The only bad thing is that he, dear, is paid little. And they would pay more - with another chain dog there would be more capital, that's all.

              Shpakovsky, you simply wandered into the land.
              Remember and to the end, understand yours in power, having robbed millions. They have the arrogance of having appropriated what they have not done, to pay miserable pensions to people and equally miserable pay-except for the capital region. Yes, structures close to them and no matter how you twist around, telling gossip and tales about the partisan detachment, learn the louder you yell about it, the more likely it is that someone, somewhere, already tortured by your lies, will be recorded in that detachment exactly and the consequences for you will be clearly not sugar.
              Snobbery that rushing with you, will play a bad joke with you.
              1. kalibr
                7 December 2017 21: 02 New
                0
                Sign up, am I against it? The National Guard must have something to do with us ... But I don't like the meager pensions either, but I have other ways of fighting for high ones. Do you seem to prefer violence, yes?
                1. Pancir026
                  Pancir026 8 December 2017 09: 14 New
                  +1
                  Quote: kalibr
                  The National Guard must do something with us ..

                  You.
                  Quote: kalibr
                  And I do not like scanty pensions, but I have other ways of fighting for high

                  These are the very ones when you, arrogantly, consider all those who have other specialties. Other activities. Are you marginalized? Have you imagined too much about yourself? Illustrated books with re-singing you haven’t studied, it’s easy to write, there’s nothing of your own.

                  Quote: kalibr
                  Do you seem to prefer violence, yes?

                  It will be a revelation for you that after March 18 some of those who think like you will not be too comfortable.
                  1. kalibr
                    8 December 2017 18: 37 New
                    0
                    “It will be a revelation for you that after March 18 some of those who think like you will not be too comfortable” - and what will change on March 18? A giant meteorite will fall to Earth?
        2. kalibr
          7 December 2017 17: 28 New
          +3
          "... Russian culture - a culture of justice, when there are no oppressors and there are no oppressed. When not everything is equal, but when everything is fair ..." Are you kidding, I hope? Where did you see justice in the past and in the present? I have not seen and do not see.
          1. Pancir026
            Pancir026 7 December 2017 17: 51 New
            +4
            Quote: kalibr
            Where did you see justice in the past and in the present? I have not seen and do not see.

            But you are not allowed to see this, you, according to your own assertion, always and constantly. Keep it upwind and it is worth changing to the vector of development in the country. You will immediately begin to curse the recent, glorifying the present - this is your principle of life.
            Will you unlock?
            Quote: kalibr
            Russian culture - a culture of justice when there are no oppressors and there are no oppressed. When not everything is equal, but when everything is fair ... "

            And this principle exists in Russian culture, but you are not the bearer of Russian culture, therefore, you don’t understand the meaning of what was said.
            1. kalibr
              7 December 2017 21: 04 New
              0
              Flag in your hands - bring culture to the masses!
              1. Pancir026
                Pancir026 8 December 2017 09: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                carry culture to the masses

                Namely. You are not the bearer of culture, you are directly told about it. Whether you like it or not, but in the country there are Personalities much more significant than you.
                1. kalibr
                  8 December 2017 18: 34 New
                  0
                  “In the country there are Personalities much more significant than you” - of course, who argues with this. But are you one of them, of course? Of these Personalities?
        3. kalibr
          8 December 2017 18: 48 New
          0
          Boris55 Let us again turn to V.I. Lenin: “The state is strong with the consciousness of the masses. It is strong when the masses know everything, they can judge everything and go to everything consciously.” Well, let the masses know everything and decide for themselves who will like pop, who will catch, and who will have a daughter.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 8 December 2017 19: 46 New
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            V.I. Lenin: “The state is strong with the consciousness of the masses. It is strong when the masses know everything, they can judge everything and go to everything consciously”

            I agree, but that's just not for everyone - when the masses know everything, they will not be able to rule, and they simply are not trained to manage.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 8 December 2017 20: 58 New
              +2
              What a timid modest man! He is scared! AH-AH-AH! And that is already 5 years old, and nothing.
  9. marline
    marline 7 December 2017 10: 24 New
    +1
    Thanks for the article, very interesting.
    But whoever is warned is armed ...

    It would also be interesting to read on measures to counter symbolism and successful examples of the latter.
    1. kalibr
      7 December 2017 10: 35 New
      0
      But there was an article ... but for a long time ... and even forgot the name ...
      1. marline
        marline 7 December 2017 11: 41 New
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        But there was an article ...

        It would be interesting to read, if you remember the name I will be grateful.
        1. kalibr
          7 December 2017 21: 05 New
          0
          He remembered and found: Why do journalists not like PR people? »Military ...
          topwar.ru ›109363-pochemu-zhurnalisty-ne-lyubyat- ...
          1. marline
            marline 8 December 2017 09: 37 New
            0
            I read this article after the release and now re-read it again. Yes, a lot is considered in it, but when I wrote my post I had in mind precisely counteraction to symbolism. Let’s give a better example: when white ribbons were distributed on one street, the St. George ones were distributed on the next. And here questions arise: is this a counteraction to the symbol of the opposition movement? if so, how effective is it? What other actions can be taken?
            1. kalibr
              8 December 2017 18: 33 New
              0
              "And here the questions arise: is this a counteraction to the symbol of the opposition movement? If so, how effective is it? What other actions can be taken?" - I'm sorry, I did not understand you. Very interesting questions, but ... I have no answer to them. I don’t know whether such studies are being conducted or is it all “done on the knee”. Knowing our mentality, I will assume that until the thunder strikes ... We have been fighting in the city of Penza with the Penza brand for a year and all the “no money”.
  10. kalibr
    7 December 2017 10: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    Thanks to this article, globalization in the Western version failed.

    If everything "failed" after one article, life would be much easier. In fact, everything is a bit wrong.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 7 December 2017 11: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      If everything "failed" after one article, life would be much easier. In fact, everything is a bit wrong.

      The war between the two concepts of world order did not begin today and it will not end tomorrow.
      1. kalibr
        7 December 2017 20: 56 New
        0
        So the techniques and methods of this war should be known, right?
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 9 December 2017 16: 04 New
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          So the techniques and methods of this war should be known, right?

          They are famous. Hybrid warfare is warfare on all six management priorities:
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  12. Curious
    Curious 7 December 2017 11: 37 New
    +2
    For some reason, everyone describes only the tip of the iceberg, somehow avoiding to show what is under water. Although the introduction to the article was promising. And the paragraph: “Making people fall in love with slavery is the main task assigned to the ministries of culture, chief editors of newspapers and school teachers in the current totalitarian states” inspired some optimism. However, in the article itself about the fact that in the introduction - not a word. Description of PR-technologies, of course, is interesting. But these technologies alone are nothing without preparing the soil for their application.
    Therefore, the main task assigned in all in the current states to the ministries of culture, the chief editors of newspapers and school teachers is precisely the preparation of this soil.
    For outside the window of capitalism. And what is the philosophy of capitalism. But it is simple - only the rich are people, and the rest are just dust underfoot. It is the introduction of this formula into the mass consciousness that is "the main task entrusted ...". The list of those who are entrusted is much wider in reality. But the essence of the phrase is very correct.
    And in order to make the formula easier to implement, consciousness needs to be prepared Normal, undeformed consciousness denies this formula, since it is destructive. Therefore, in parallel there is work on the deformation of consciousness. Speaking vulgarly - growing fools ... aka. Dur ... it’s easier to control, they are gullible, they, after all, believe the TV. But here is the problem. Naturally, these very fools ... are born catastrophically insufficient. Therefore, not to wait for favors from nature, but to form a functionally illiterate flock with dogmatic, not logical, thinking, with clip-patchwork consciousness - this is our task.
    And her decision begins in the first days of her life. Now children are given such a speed of receipt and such a volume of information that it becomes increasingly difficult to talk about normal development. Psychologists note in today's children 3-5 years of age increased unmotivated activity (there is no goal in actions and behavior, there is no cognitive interest), unstable attention, and a decrease in interest in toys and books. In difficult situations, children give emotional reactions of protest and departure. This is the beginning of the formation of fertile soil for the impact of those technologies, about which the article writes. Well, then school, university, newspaper editors ... You can continue for a long time.
    And when the soil is manicured and prepared, then the time comes to plant the honeysuckle, and cacti, and roses. And get the appropriate harvests.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 December 2017 12: 10 New
      +3
      Bravo, Victor Nikolaevich! But you see what a misfortune, Vyacheslav Olegovich does not work with young children, so he does not see the whole "clearing". I have long suspected that all developmental programs for preschoolers work in two directions. After all, the same M. Montessori developed her system for children with developmental delays, now it is used for normal ones.
      1. Curious
        Curious 7 December 2017 12: 14 New
        +5
        Yes, Vyacheslav Olegovich works with what came out of young children. Although judging even by the list of literature recommended for reading at the university, their puberty continues.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 December 2017 13: 16 New
          +2
          Naturally, because they were taught to consume information, and the function of separating "grains from the chaff" was crushed, sometimes purposefully.
      2. ruskih
        ruskih 7 December 2017 13: 31 New
        +6
        After all, the same M. Montessori developed her system for children with developmental delays, now it is used for normal ones.

        Good afternoon, Anton. This is one of the misconceptions that still exist. She only initially worked with such children. And so the system helps to identify and realize the abilities of the child, no matter what kind of child it is. Talented or not. In Soviet times, they used her experience and studied this system in universities.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 December 2017 15: 44 New
          +3
          Glad to welcome you, Elena. Undoubtedly, you are right, but I am also a little versed in the subject and Montessori cited as an extreme case. In my opinion, many developmental methods lack one of the main factors of learning - goal-setting. That is, an adult can understand why a child needs to lay out grains by color and size, for a child this process does not make sense.
          1. ruskih
            ruskih 7 December 2017 21: 55 New
            +4
            In my opinion, many developmental methods lack one of the main factors of learning - goal-setting. That is, an adult can understand why a child needs to lay out grains by color and size, for a child this process does not make sense.

            I’ll try to explain like this. In preschool age, there can be no meaningful goal-setting; only the foundations are laid here, but children have a desire expressed by the word “I want”. For them, the goal looks simplified, like the goal-desire - “I want to achieve”. Children's questions "Why?" and “Why?”, this is only the beginning of acquaintance with goal-setting, asking them, the child does not realize this either, but just adults also need meaningful explanations of what is happening around. That is, for children there are small goals - desires. “I want to arrange the grains in color and size.” And the joy of the result. The goal is achieved.
            The foundations of goal-setting are laid precisely at preschool age. In a playful way too. Therefore, in the methods, they can look veiled. Earlier, at the beginning of classes, the topic and purpose were always spoken aloud. Now it’s not like that.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 December 2017 22: 31 New
              +1
              I dare not agree. When Montessori started, laying out the grains made a very practical sense. And in the social stratum in which she worked, children of 3-4 years were engaged in this. Perhaps this is precisely why she developed her methodology on children with developmental delays because they were considered a burden in these families, and no one needed her besides her.
              1. ruskih
                ruskih 7 December 2017 22: 41 New
                +3
                I answered in general, and not just about Montessori, because it was about many developing techniques and as of now. Or I misunderstood you Anton. hi
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 7 December 2017 23: 01 New
                  +1
                  If we talk about developing techniques in general, then I will return to the fact that they work in two directions. That is, they prepare the child for the absorption of large information arrays. Not processing, namely absorption, since the children's brain is not able to process these arrays. With adulthood, this becomes a habit, a conditioned reflex is created. The brain does not process information, but emits hashtags. In this way, a person can "vparit" anything. Maria Montessori, in principle, a holy woman, the fact that her grandmothers are made on her technique ... well, this is only business and nothing personal.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 7 December 2017 12: 40 New
      +5
      “To make people fall in love with slavery is the main task in the current totalitarian states of the ministries of culture, chief editors of newspapers and school teachers”

      As a supplement.
      1. kalibr
        7 December 2017 20: 54 New
        +1
        These are all beautiful words, doctor. But in the same Shushenskoye, Lenin didn’t drown the stove, didn’t wash floors, didn’t saw or chop wood, but went hunting and complained that he received a lamb carcass for feeding a week. I lived worse in the Soviet village, freed by his efforts from "disputation", although I did not go against the state, but strengthened him. So chatter is all ... A beautiful chatter on which not very smart people are being led. On that, by the way, the state is worth it!
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 7 December 2017 21: 48 New
          +1
          For a very long time I was touched by the Soviet term "professional revolutionary." What kind of profession is this? Where can I get the appropriate education? How is it quoted on the labor market? What is the average income? And the social package? Apparently they lived quite well.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2017 03: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: 3x3zsave Apparently they lived quite well.

            But not for long.

            The statement of Vladimir Ilyich can be divided into three parts, you personally are interested in the first part, maybe because it is closer to you ?. smile
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 8 December 2017 06: 36 New
              +2
              Guevara is perhaps the only one who cannot be suspected of money-grubbing (there were still Bolivar and Garibaldi, but they were not socialists). On the other hand, he was lucky that he did not live to see the term "international terrorism" as his actions ideally fit this definition.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 07: 24 New
                +1
                Voroshilov, Kirov, Stalin, and indeed, all that Government, all of them, could be accused of money-grubbing? What prevented them, like the current ones, from “privatizing” a couple of oil rigs in the Caucasus or a small pipe with diamonds? Of course, different people with different motives go to the revolution, but, precisely, a “revolutionary” is a person of ideas, like Che Guevara or Mao or Lenin. Even Trotsky cannot be blamed for the fact that he, personally, has downloaded millions. The psychology is different and therefore, it is precisely them that can be called "professional revolutionaries."
                For all the external resemblance between the revolutionary movement and international terrorism (especially if you take Western propaganda for faith), there are many differences, the main thing is the idea. Half a step away from her and the revolutionary turns into a bandit, such as a soldier in a punisher and a war criminal. The line is thin, but noticeable, if you approach it impartially.
                1. kalibr
                  8 December 2017 07: 38 New
                  +1
                  You said it very well!
                2. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 8 December 2017 07: 43 New
                  +9
                  But have a little fun:
                  Quote: avva2012
                  What prevented them, like the current ones, from “privatizing” a couple of oil rigs in the Caucasus or a small pipe with diamonds?

                  1. The most severe filtering of information about the real incomes of the "top".
                  2. Tracking "all for all." Also - the most cruel.
                  9. The inability to legalize "their own blood".
                  Any comments? wink
                3. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 8 December 2017 07: 57 New
                  +1
                  After all, you can acquire not only money, power and fame, but much more powerful stimulants.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 December 2017 08: 19 New
                    +2
                    This is if a person has such a psychology that "power and glory are much more powerful stimulants." You can disrupt anything if you want. "Love," this is, for genome transfer, isn't it? "Friend", is it a companion at a time when there is a need for it? But, there is such a hitch, a person infects himself with a deadly disease in order to prove the effectiveness of the vaccine he created, a terminally ill person tries to finish the work he has begun, despite the fact that he will not get either fame or money. Sailors from Kosmodemyanskaya, also not about the streets named in their honor, thought. The idea, Anton, if it is correct, then the actions are also the same, and people, if they are sincere in it.
                    1. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 8 December 2017 12: 43 New
                      +8
                      Alexander, and you yourself do not see contradictions in your logic?
                      The sailors and Cosmodemyans were under the cursed tsarism.
                      And now there is, oddly enough ...
                      And what are you planting water on jelly, what are you trying to prove?
                      Again - "Long live the revolution"?
                      Well, nafig ... IMHO, of course.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 12: 55 New
                        +1
                        Read carefully, but not me, but Hegel and Lenin, and you will be happy in understanding the grandeur of the law of negation of negation, so that you do not make mistakes in the future and get into the situation of Zen Buddhist Fedor.
                    2. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 8 December 2017 15: 31 New
                      +1
                      Alexander, I will not argue with you on ideological topics. I understand your position, my own - outlined in previous discussions. We are almost the same age as you, but apparently different life experiences, personal and older generations.
                      Sincerely, Anton Bazhin.
                      PS As for me, the Kosmodemyanskaya is not a heroine, but a martyr, who, like thousands of others, paid with her life for the criminal mistakes of the "senior comrades"
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 16: 04 New
                        0
                        Anton, you and I can be in diametrically opposite positions, but Kosmodemyanskaya and many other children of her age who put their young lives in similar situations in the 1941 year are heroes. It is not only He who makes mistakes, and He does not judge who the martyr is and who is not. We find out sooner or later whether it is so. Sincerely, Alexander. (1967g.)
    3. mar4047083
      mar4047083 7 December 2017 13: 09 New
      +2
      Hello V.N. I just wanted to write about it. The most important thing is not symbols, but a dumb herd. Any symbol can be fed. Representatives of the herd should be completely absent logic, critical thinking. If they are good at brainwashing, then the main problem becomes performance at the Olympics, victory in football. The highest professional achievement is a manager (and no matter what).
      1. Curious
        Curious 7 December 2017 14: 10 New
        +2
        I would formulate it much more widely. "Make your first million (or a billion) by 25 years old. Did you? You are a real person, white bone. And everyone else is like that, suckers. Zhebrota. Everything from the rocket professor to the last street drug dealer. Enrich yourself and go out into people. Get rich - and enjoy the islands with palm trees, cars, yachts, heifers. This is the meaning of life. "
        1. mar4047083
          mar4047083 7 December 2017 14: 26 New
          +2
          It is what it is. But often it’s imaginary wealth.
          1. Cat
            Cat 7 December 2017 21: 01 New
            +4
            Good evening!
            I noticed that the older generation, as always, "earlier herds were fatter, grass - greener, sky - bluer"!
            In my practice, I had to work with both young people and the older generation. And I have a firm belief that the level of knowledge, skills and abilities of a person is a compilation of drunkenness and necessity.
            An example, a grandmother touched by a granddaughter sitting at a computer, forgets that in his time she possessed the incomprehensible competencies of her ultramodern granddaughter in principle. Such as milking a cow, making milk or cottage cheese from milk, flooding the oven, baking bread and .......
            A modern child, limited to an Internet, four walls and a school, is naturally hyperactive - where to put energy!
            Remember yourself at 5-6 years old, without an Internet, with a limited information resource of information on paper, and even then with remote access in the school library. Did you have free time? If it was then you spent it on the street!
            I’m just sincerely interested, someone saw in you at the age of 10 the kind of professors, candidates, etc. believe hopes yes! But definitely not to see.
            And about the technology! I have not yet seen a single professional psychologist as a happy parent.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 7 December 2017 22: 35 New
              +3
              I do not quite catch the discussion thread, but I support on all points.
            2. Curious
              Curious 7 December 2017 22: 51 New
              +2
              Honestly, I didn’t understand. Do you think that everything is fine, everything is going as it should and you should not worry?
              1. Cat
                Cat 8 December 2017 05: 36 New
                +2
                Dear Victor, the trouble is not in the "normality or abnormality" of the situation, but in the absence of real levers of influence on it.
                The availability of information has played a very cruel joke with the younger generation. In a volumeless barrel of information field, a bucket of tar on a spoon of honey. Moreover, the tar available and the child does not even have to go outside or to school.
                So ultra modern education systems are powerless if a person lacks a moral, moral core. I will not talk about young geniuses who have finished my journey on a needle and in a bottle, I think there are plenty of examples in your practice.
                The second trouble. The complete loss by a new generation of practical survival skills, even just life in the bosom of nature. Sometimes to the impossible. A five-year-old child from the city, looking at a cow, asks his mother "who's the chicken!"
                More precisely, there is a replacement of a block of practical knowledge with information. For the better, I don’t know.

                In Soviet times, there was the influence of schools, streets, houses and books. Now they have added the Internet, TV.
                And instead of the first three factors. The modern generation of progamics, realists and partly much more critics than you and me. There is no point in belittling him; it is necessary to interact with him on their terms.
                1. kalibr
                  8 December 2017 07: 33 New
                  +1
                  Totally agree with you. Literally just condemned all this at the university. The conclusions are similar.
              2. kalibr
                8 December 2017 07: 37 New
                +3
                We can’t change that! I now have a group of 2nd year tech students. No one knew how the operetta differs from the opera, not one called or guessed the melody, and Kalman, Strauss, Milyutin for them are empty sounds. Nobody saw the "Wedding in the Robin". But then they watch Downton Abbey, North-South, and more.
                1. Curious
                  Curious 8 December 2017 09: 10 New
                  +1
                  So you have confirmed my comment on soil preparation. You can say as much as you like that they are not like that and this is normal. The fact that they are not like that is really normal. These are the questions.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 8 December 2017 12: 44 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Curious
                    So you have confirmed my comment on soil preparation. You can say as much as you like that they are not like that and this is normal. The fact that they are not like that is really normal. These are the questions.

                    And why ask, the answer has long been in the topic of generations. Everything has long been written and explained. For a long time, W reported. Afffftars have already written and arranged on shelves. Already the methods are developed and structured and everything is freely available on the network
                  2. kalibr
                    8 December 2017 17: 15 New
                    +2
                    But it’s even nothing if they like Flowers for Algernon and Downton Abbey. But the operetta is out of date. What to do is progress.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 8 December 2017 18: 05 New
                      +1
                      Nicholas the First guilty guards officers sent to listen ... the opera, which was then considered something obscene.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 8 December 2017 20: 59 New
                        +2
                        Someone prays to Jesus .. to another by the Quran ..
                        Everyone is free to choose a deity and a temple.
                        For some, wealth is paramount, but only the devil honors one;
                        Someone is ready to believe that love rules in the world!

                        (Doctor and Caliber relationship aria) laughing drinks
                2. marline
                  marline 8 December 2017 10: 42 New
                  +2
                  Quote: kalibr
                  No one knew how operetta differs from opera.

                  So musicals ... Now we have all operettas suddenly become musicals ... For PR))))
  13. Some kind of compote
    Some kind of compote 7 December 2017 11: 57 New
    16
    Interestingly
    That's what i thought
    But is the color revolution not one of the manifestations of a hybrid war?
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 7 December 2017 12: 41 New
      +3
      Hybrid warfare is an inflamed phraseological unit. The color revolution is a very specific action.
      1. Some kind of compote
        Some kind of compote 7 December 2017 16: 33 New
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        Not sure if hybrid warfare is just idiom. Analysts and strategists write about this. Including along the line of special services. I myself read one work. Only 2 states are strong in this area - the USA and the Russian Federation.
        Why can't the CR be an element of hybrid warfare? The American Central Liberation Churches in Ukraine and Georgia - maybe this is an element of their hybrid war against us?
        But in general I understood.
        thanks for the clarifications
  14. Luga
    Luga 7 December 2017 14: 37 New
    +3
    Good article, but not enough creative ... smile
    Like plant symbols, trees are completely overlooked. Birch, as the most banal symbol of Russia (“I would be a birch chintz” ...) for the intelligentsia, oak (“fortress and power”) and acorn, stylized as a bullet, for radicals, linden (“linden revolution” - it sounds!) for oligarchs, maple (autumn flame of revolution) for romantic youth. Garden crops were also lost: the strawberry revolution for Sobchak supporters, the cranberry revolution for Navalny, and there is also a currant, which can be red and black, and white, because green, I don’t know who to offer this symbol ... About peas and I won’t speak. But there is also a mass of different mushrooms ...
    smile smile smile
    But seriously, the color and the emblem, as a symbol and a distinctive sign, really consolidate people according to the “friend or foe” principle, hence the coats of arms, flags, and chevrons on the sleeves, and corporate colors in some companies, club scarves among fans, yes you never know ... In antiquity, this, of course, had a purely practical meaning - in battle, and most importantly, after a fight, determine who to treat and who to finish off, so as not to suffer. Now the main goal is to attract the maximum number of supporters.
    The psychology of the crowd, in my opinion, remained at the level of the ancient world.
    I think we will also hear about new colors and emblems, including in Russia. And residents of large cities will see so. What will it be - an olive branch or a laurel, and maybe a blackberry or mountain ash, a hedgehog or a falcon, a shield or a sword. Personally, I nevermind. The main thing is that the people should be led to this as little as possible.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 7 December 2017 15: 29 New
      +4
      Birch, as the most banal symbol of Russia (“I would be a birch chintz” ...) for the intelligentsia, oak (“fortress and power”) and acorn, stylized as a bullet, for radicals, linden (“linden revolution” - it sounds!) for oligarchs, maple (autumn flame of revolution) for romantic youth.

      and "poplar" as a unifying national principle against external enemies .. good although .. you can "Yars" laughing drinks
      1. mar4047083
        mar4047083 7 December 2017 16: 32 New
        +1
        This is not for us. Our symbol A. Sokolov came up with.
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 7 December 2017 16: 44 New
        +2
        Good afternoon, Nicholas! TOPOLIN down, heat, June, nights so ripe ?????? !!!!!!!!!!! The wind blows into the sky, only you do not believe anyone, you wait for everything only snow, snow .. ...... TOPOLIN down ... taking away with you sad thoughts ..... together with the body .....
        Yes, poplar will unite, he is so ......
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 7 December 2017 18: 22 New
          +2
          you wait for everything only snow

          hahaha, our snow is slowly melting, Dmitry! hi Although the last week is hard to adapt to winter request
    2. kalibr
      7 December 2017 17: 40 New
      +3
      “As plant symbols, trees were completely missed. Birch, as the most banal symbol of Russia (“ I would be birch chintz ”...) for the intelligentsia, oak (“ fortress and power ”) and acorn, stylized as a bullet, for radicals, linden ( "phony revolution" - sounds!) for the oligarchs, maple (autumn flame of the revolution) for romantic youth. " - here it turned out perfectly for you. It was nice to read. But you won’t write about everything. There was an article about how we conducted a survey on which plant, animal ... which politician looks like ... color, smell, taste, car ...
  15. BRONEVIK
    BRONEVIK 7 December 2017 18: 54 New
    18
    enslaved population, which is unnecessarily even forced to work, for it gladly accepts its slavery. Making people fall in love with slavery is the main task assigned to the current totalitarian states

    Something that reminds me lol
    Probably closer to purgatory
    To get clean to heaven
    1. BRONEVIK
      BRONEVIK 7 December 2017 18: 59 New
      17
      Such a mission from our state
  16. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 7 December 2017 20: 19 New
    +4
    Mikado,
    I know this woman, her name is Bastinda laughing I warn you right away, with her personal hygiene everything is bad no
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 7 December 2017 20: 49 New
      +2
      and she sure .. woman? belay but you never know, on our site there are characters with female nicknames and avatars, and under them there is a sweaty hairy man with an excessive "ego"! request Yes, and, as it were, we do not have a "gallant age" .. no therefore hygiene is paramount. stop
      Yes, by the way, how do you, Anton, know that she is dressed in lilac, and other "subtleties"? what Huh? wink drinks
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 7 December 2017 21: 03 New
        +4
        See A. Volkov "The Wizard of the Emerald City"
        "... So you read the necessary books in your childhood" (V. Vysotsky)
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 7 December 2017 21: 11 New
          +4
          read out by Oorfene Deuce! good that stubborn man was drinks hard worker, "lonely hussar with a motor" (Ilf and Petrov, "Twelve Chairs"). fellow
          But the blue color is bad. It is cold, it is the color of distance.

          it turns out that the chewers from the Blue Country are individualistic egoists, and the inhabitants of the Emerald City are rabid greens with a claim to veganism! am
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 7 December 2017 21: 34 New
            +3
            Have you read the entire cycle?
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 7 December 2017 22: 29 New
              +3
              I confess, only the first two books .. recourse Moreover, the second book is much more interesting than the cartoon on it - childhood impressions .. hi
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 7 December 2017 22: 40 New
                +2
                Well, okay, now, what’s called "late scamper."
          2. kalibr
            8 December 2017 07: 29 New
            +1
            Emerald - "royal color", not without reason that color was the uniform of the Russian, and then the Soviet army from time immemorial.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 8 December 2017 10: 46 New
              +2
              Emerald - "royal color", not without reason that color was the uniform of the Russian, and then the Soviet army from time immemorial.

              oh, I didn’t know such subtleties of the ebb of green ... I am miserable! request bearded miserable laughing
  17. kalibr
    7 December 2017 21: 07 New
    +1
    Quote: Pancir026
    Will you unlock?

    What for? Everything is in the hand of God. He creates states and destroys them, gives crowns to the crown-bearers and takes them away ... He is always on the side of large battalions and those who first guessed to build soldiers in them.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 December 2017 22: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: kalibr
      Everything is in the hand of God. He creates states and destroys them, gives crowns to the crown bearers and takes them away ...
      It is He who can give pensions so that the little men live in accordance with them and do not complain. By income and expense. THIS SHOULD continue your thought.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 8 December 2017 07: 29 New
        0
        laughing laughing How do you think Dmitry, my God, will allot 1 a thousand euros to retire to the author?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 8 December 2017 08: 36 New
          +1
          Alexander, to be honest, a joke - so-so, on the edge.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2017 09: 00 New
            +2
            What an object, such a joke. request Read, what the author, without joking, wrote about sincere joy on the grave. Ah, this is a joke. Maybe it really will help, otherwise this thousand walks from commentary to commentary. ps not on the "social network" is sitting to shed tears?
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 8 December 2017 09: 27 New
              +1
              Actually, this is not about external attributes, but about real deep respect, without which real faith is unthinkable .. Somehow the words “worship”, “worship” are forgotten. You can observe people who are naive not of the weather, who can’t to think. They learn something new --- and talk about it, not understanding, here and there. It seems that there is something to interfere with ----- someday there will still be a result! That's what!
            2. kalibr
              8 December 2017 14: 26 New
              +1
              Doctor, and the author does not expect favors from nature and society - to take them from them all that he needs, here is his task!
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 15: 16 New
                +2
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, I will take the liberty of changing the continuation of the phrase of the great scientist, I.Michurin, the main thing is that after we take something left from the taker himself. And in general, it is necessary to be more economical, zealous, otherwise you won’t get enough of everyone. Remember how it used to be before ...: "I found out that I have a huge family. And there is a path and a forest. Every spikelet is in the field. A river, the sky is blue. It's all my own."
                1. kalibr
                  8 December 2017 17: 12 New
                  +1
                  Well, there will be plenty left of me!
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 21 New
                    0
                    Absolutely unfounded conclusion.
                    1. kalibr
                      8 December 2017 18: 17 New
                      +1
                      Doctor, people in Penza have come to me for a long time and say: "I studied with you! We went to your classes. It was very interesting." In the market people ask, "Why are you not seen on TV, we grew up on your TV shows " Take a look at the Internet on the sites of children's technical creation - where did every second development come from? From my books. We read in Popular Mekeniks - “Well, who didn’t do Shpakovsky’s vibro pass?” Many Magazines Tankomaster and now store, as a rarity. Well and so on ... enough with me. So you are too categorical, doctor. At one time, Caesar said - it is better to be the first in the village than the second in Rome. Here in my village I am very first, but I don’t need more. Again, this is you reading me, not me. And the fact that I scratch the language with you in the comments, so do I have to somehow have fun with such work as mine? Now I’m doing the next textbook, “Public Opinion Management Technologies,” then it will be about elective technologies ... The work is serious, and there are a lot of it. The tickets are the same for the exams ... You get tired of the monotonous scribble, and here the grunt-gristle is adrenaline. And you can work on. This increases my efficiency.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 43 New
                        +1
                        Vyacheslav Olegovich, I'm here, also not at work. I once wrote that the site gives me much more than just information. And, you do not believe it, but chattering with you makes me safer for others. At least, as Nikolai says, “I don’t wave with a scalpel,” but I could laughing So, you, to some extent, are doing a good deed for the little hospital of a town far from you, without knowing it yourself. What, there, “the first guy in the village!”, Right, guardian angel, honestly! hi
                2. kalibr
                  8 December 2017 18: 45 New
                  +1
                  Well, doctor, a small forest and a spikelet, and a river, if not dirty, it's me. But the family - which side to look at. Geese they are not friends of pigs, right? Remember Kurt Vonnegut’s novel Utopia 14? "Everyone must keep his riverbank."
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 December 2017 19: 23 New
                    +1
                    The main thing is health, a good table and a decent stool. Although the river will wash away sooner or later. Hold on, Vyacheslav Olegovich, good will not be lost.
                    1. kalibr
                      8 December 2017 22: 00 New
                      +2
                      I think so too! And besides, I have a "carte blanche". I’ll tell you here not for praise, but simply for the sake of comparing life events. In 1984, my article appeared in "Inventors and a Radializer" on new principles for the development of children's technical creation. I get a letter from Leningrad (through the publisher). The engineer father wrote that he had a son of a deaf-mute, but his wife, having quit her job, taught him to speak lips. That they live on one of his salaries. And so he went to the SUT with them, but ... it's hard for him ... well, I see why. “And you, that is, me, have what he needs. Help ...” I was just preparing the book “From Everything at Hand.” I imagined what it was with my child ... and sent everything I could. In response ... silence. No greetings, no thanks ... Well ... okay. It took more than six months and comes the parcel from St. Petersburg. And in it is a box of chocolates and a letter. That their son fit into the SUT team, that the guys respect him, that he began to speak well ... In general, once in my life I definitely helped a person in a very difficult situation. Graduate schools, diplomas, articles ... it's all nonsense when your child is like that ... I don’t know how his fate turned out. Suddenly he looks in here, he suddenly remembers. It would be interesting to know where the social elevator took him.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 9 December 2017 02: 23 New
                        +2
                        In general, once in my life I definitely helped a person in a very difficult situation.

                        Even once in a lifetime, even that, that is, life was not lived in vain, in my opinion.
                        Suddenly he looks in here, he suddenly remembers.

                        Is it nice? "Suddenly remember." Ah, you, one thousand euros, one thousand euros ...
            3. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 8 December 2017 16: 51 New
              +1
              This does not honor him, but does not imply a symmetrical response from a cultured person.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 01 New
                0
                Who knows what he or I want? I am sure that he has enough reason to not substitute, but he does it. It is possible that I lack intelligence and therefore, I answer. Who knows.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 8 December 2017 17: 42 New
                  +1
                  It seems like a mutual dive entertains both of you and I'm superfluous on this holiday of life
                  Yes, by the way, born in 1973
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 45 New
                    0
                    Personally, me, yes, but not a fact that is mutual. The second side did not speak out. Peers. hi
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 8 December 2017 18: 13 New
                      +2
                      Well, you have an old vendetta, I don’t live on this site so much.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 23 New
                        +1
                        laughing Ah, you meticulous. good
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 9 December 2017 16: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Who knows what he or I want? I am sure that he has enough reason to not substitute, but he does it. Perhaps I answer. Who knows.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 9 December 2017 18: 05 New
                    +1
                    Something did not work out with a quote .... network problems ...... I wanted to ask, but who is cultural? Probably Marat, but he rarely visits us ..... The doctor is also cultured, but his specialty is to cut off the excess, which he does. The cultural monarchist, he always speaks the correct Russian language and does not insult anyone and does not teach anyone !!!! I think this is not all, but whom I see more often.
        2. Mikado
          Mikado 8 December 2017 10: 46 New
          +3
          Alexander, I will join Anton. No offense. hi
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2017 10: 56 New
            +2
            Nikolai, we are all different, we wrote it ourselves. hi
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 8 December 2017 11: 04 New
              +4
              it doesn’t mean that you have to joke on the edge ... wink respect for each other - above all, Dear Man. hi If you have a thousand euros, give it to me, I will honestly spend on drinking and debauchery with women in purple. fellow
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 11: 12 New
                +1
                Yes, Nikolai, but I won’t. A woman in red will not understand. wink
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 8 December 2017 11: 22 New
                  +2
                  well, when there is such a woman nearby drinks
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 December 2017 11: 38 New
                    +2
                    Yes. A woman is always beautiful. And, it requires attention and care, even if it does not. The symbol is older and deeper, in essence, of all sorts of kulaks there, and of solar squiggles.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 8 December 2017 22: 13 New
                      +2
                      Good Doctor, I bow to you and your spouse love
                      from our hut to yours. We will answer Freddie Mercury to our St. Petersburg "Musical Comedy" as a love song. This is Monte Cristo. good
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 9 December 2017 02: 47 New
                        +1
                        Excellent! good I think it’s necessary to stop, otherwise we’ll forget about the article (it wouldn’t be bad) and the next composition will be from "Juno and Avos", etc., etc. laughing And, to you and your wife, a low bow, happiness!
              2. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 8 December 2017 16: 58 New
                +3
                Something tells me that the money spent on the greenhouse wasted request
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                2. Mikado
                  Mikado 8 December 2017 22: 03 New
                  +1
                  not in vain. everyone is happy. soldier
  18. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 8 December 2017 14: 09 New
    0
    all subsequent revolutions will be blue
  19. kalibr
    8 December 2017 14: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    Speaking vulgarly - growing fools ... aka.

    The Strugatsky wrote about this in The Predatory Things of the Century (1964)
    1. Curious
      Curious 8 December 2017 16: 11 New
      +3
      The monk Brandt wrote about this in 1494 in The Ship of Fools. However, nothing has changed.
      1. Bersaglieri
        Bersaglieri 8 December 2017 16: 33 New
        +2
        Well ... a man, as a biological species, has been formed for more than 5000000 years ... In its present form, there are about 100000 years ... what are these miserable 500-600 for him?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 8 December 2017 17: 44 New
          +2
          Lope?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 28 New
            +1
            From the beginning of the formation, it was Homo erectus, somewhere 5mln. and gone. Itself has not been on that site for a long time, but this is anthropogenesis.ru.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 8 December 2017 19: 00 New
              +2
              I'm at a loss, but what do anthropologists say today about the origin of Cro-Magnons?
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 19: 27 New
                +1
                The site is more interesting, but, approximately, they give the second figure, although, maybe it's Neanderthals? I was interested in something else, Neanderthals, now, this is the second no less than the Cro-Magnons, a rational race.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 8 December 2017 20: 02 New
                  +1
                  So I have similar information. Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals are two species with a very similar genome, right down to joint offspring (though incapable of reproduction). Moreover, if the origin of Neanderthals is archaeologically traced, then with Cro-Magnons they are continuous riddles. Willfully you think about Him. As for the fate of the Neanderthals, we killed them and ate them. The genocide of pure water and nothing personal.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 9 December 2017 03: 23 New
                    0
                    As for the fate of the Neanderthals, we killed them and ate them.

                    Something like a trend of Western scientists, they all eat, then Neanderthals, then synanthropes. And now, what’s interesting, in modern man, supposedly, up to 5% of Neanderthal genes. How, this fact is combined with the fact that the descendants of mixed "marriages" were barren, I don’t know.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 9 December 2017 11: 13 New
                      +1
                      Are they the 5% smart people they’re looking for? laughing
                      Seriously, 5% of the total genes are too small for the result of normal assimilation. Rather, there is a common ancestor and a trace of the missing links in the evolution of the Cro-Magnons. As for the "killed and eaten", of course, this is a hyperbole, but the disappearance of many species with the appearance of Cro-Magnon in the evolutionary arena is a fact.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 9 December 2017 16: 49 New
                        0
                        Quote: 3x3zsave Rather, there is a common ancestor and a trace of the missing links in the evolution of the Cro-Magnons.
                        Now, when they prove this link, then we must say that the offspring from mixed marriages were fruitless. Someone grabbed another grant, introducing this idea into circulation.
                    2. Mikado
                      Mikado 9 December 2017 12: 18 New
                      +3
                      How, this fact is combined with the fact that the descendants of mixed "marriages" were barren, I don’t know.

                      I read in Wiki that the Neanderthal genome, at least some minuscule, but is present in modern people. That is, the descendants were viable. Just crossbreeding, it seems, was extremely rare. request
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 8 December 2017 16: 41 New
        +4
        I don’t know, I haven’t met him before, but there is such a person who described the five laws of stupidity, the Italian historian and economist Carlo Chipolla. The second law: The likelihood that a person is stupid does not depend on his other qualities: “Years of observation and experiment have confirmed me in the idea that people are not equal, some are stupid, others are not, and this quality is laid down by nature and not by cultural factors. Man he’s a fool just like he is red or has the first blood type, he was born like this by the will of Providence, if you will. Education has nothing to do with the likelihood of a certain number of fools in society. This was confirmed by numerous experiments in universities over five in groups: students, office workers, maintenance staff, administration staff and teachers, when I analyzed a group of low-skilled employees, the number of fools turned out to be larger than I expected (First Law), and I attributed this to social conditions: poverty, segregation, lack of education. But climbing up the social ladder, I saw the same ratio among white-collar workers and students, and it was even more impressive to see the same number among professors - did I take a small provincial college or University, the same proportion of teachers turned out to be fools. I was so amazed at the results that I decided to conduct an experiment on the intellectual elite - the Nobel laureates. The result confirmed the superpowers of nature: the same certain number of laureates were stupid. "
        1. marline
          marline 8 December 2017 17: 07 New
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          Quote: avva2012
          ... The result confirmed the superpowers of nature: the same certain number of laureates were stupid. "

          And this was what we had to start with: 95% of the world's population are fools.
          2 percent of people - thinks, 3 percent - thinks what they think, and 95 percent of people die better than they think. Bernard Show

          Everything fits into the law of normal distribution.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 15 New
            +2
            Everything fits into the law of normal distribution.

            But it does not fit into the laws of ordinary logic, not into the dialectical. This is the position of this "historian-economist." Himself, he just did not write down as fools. And, this is his point of view. Subjectivism, at least or ordinary envy, "won de great ...."
            1. marline
              marline 8 December 2017 17: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              Subjectivism, at least or ordinary envy, "won de great ...."

              If everything was so simple)))) if only one "historian-economist" came to this conclusion ...
              I specifically cited the example of Bernard Shaw, You want I can and Tsialkovsky, and Goethe, and ... there are many who ...
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 36 New
                +1
                You do not do network marketing?)))) Crush me with authorities laughing
                In my opinion, simply that which is not logical cannot be true. Goethe, Tsialkovsky, etc., are just people, though talented, and even brilliant. Weak people, especially, to copper pipes.
                1. marline
                  marline 8 December 2017 17: 42 New
                  +1
                  Quote: avva2012
                  You do not do network marketing?))))

                  No, I can hardly imagine what it is))) I’m rather a little better than it is accepted in society, I understand the laws of distribution, especially Gaussian ... and I can not admit the harmony, consistency and beauty of this statement, or rather statements. And yes - I attribute myself to 95% ... no matter how sad it is
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 48 New
                    +2
                    So, for us, not everything is lost and it pleases. I heard one statement that, allegedly, a person’s doubt about himself speaks of his health.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 8 December 2017 18: 21 New
                      +2
                      Truly so! Especially on the weekend morning: "Am I lying or have plans?" laughing
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 48 New
                        0
                        Has arrived in our regiment? Have you also signed up for those 95%? laughing If so, then you can live.
        2. kalibr
          8 December 2017 17: 08 New
          +1
          And who accused me of social Darwinism? And is this not what I write about all the time? 80 and 20 - always somewhere around that!
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 41 New
            0
            And, doesn’t it seem to you that this “Law ...” has often begun to flash something recently and not only in the pages of VO? It’s always interesting to me to read critical articles than laudatory ones. Do not tell me if there are any on this "Law ...".
            1. marline
              marline 8 December 2017 17: 47 New
              +1
              Quote: avva2012
              Do not tell me if there are any on this "Law ...".

              The Pareto law is full of criticism.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 14 New
                0
                I know this was a promise not in your direction laughing The party did not respond. crying
              2. kalibr
                8 December 2017 18: 24 New
                +1
                Quote: merlin
                The Pareto law is full of criticism.

                So he is fair!
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 53 New
                  +2
                  Yeah, it’s familiar: “The doctrine of Marx is omnipotent because it is true,” tempering remains for life, although the color has changed. laughing
        3. Curious
          Curious 8 December 2017 17: 16 New
          +2
          Carlo Cipolla speaks of a natural process, let’s say, of untouched nature, when there is a natural balance between fools and smarts. It is like a balance between predators and herbivores that exists in nature. If predators hunt herbivores too efficiently, then the latter quickly disappear and the predators die of hunger. If herbivores are too well protected from predators, then they begin to multiply uncontrollably, drain pastures and die. Imbalance is always dangerous for both parties.
          Now they do not think about this danger. They ruthlessly interfere in the natural process. Fools are sorely lacking. More and more fooling mechanisms are being developed. And if they make fools, then they want to use it.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 29 New
            +1
            And if they make fools, then they want to use it.

            Any population naturally or artificially restricting itself to the influx of "fresh blood", so modestly, let's call this process, as a result, it will degenerate. Another attempt to divide into castes. By and large, here it is, utter stupidity.
            1. Curious
              Curious 8 December 2017 17: 41 New
              +3
              A doctor, artificially produced ... cancer is different from that obtained "naturally." This is not a grim type with limited intelligence. This is a normal person. The difference between a smart and an “artificial fool” is one thing: a smart one knows, du ... cancer believes that it allows him to exist in a subjective reality created not even by his imagination.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 8 December 2017 17: 57 New
                +3
                Victor Nikolaevich, in my opinion, nature is so arranged that the species either multiplies and spreads or self-destructs. Given that man is the only creature with reason, therefore, the laws of evolution work with us in an accelerated mode. What will be done outside these laws will destroy civilization. There are at least two hints, the Flood and the Tower of Babel. I doubt that they need to be perceived as historical facts.
                1. Curious
                  Curious 8 December 2017 18: 17 New
                  +3
                  So I about it! I say the same thing that abuse of the laws of nature for selfish ends will come sideways.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 8 December 2017 18: 57 New
                    +4
                    I do not argue with you, Viktor Nikolaevich, but on the contrary support. It is not clear, only, why such common truths for some "Nobel laureates", a dark forest, a dense thicket? And not only for them, unfortunately.
                    1. Curious
                      Curious 8 December 2017 19: 13 New
                      +3
                      So the consequences of the process, then it goes.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 8 December 2017 19: 30 New
                        +1
                        Well, let’s be morlocks. At least, our distant descendants will take revenge))).
  20. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 8 December 2017 16: 31 New
    0
    Poppies, poppies, red poppies ...
  21. kalibr
    8 December 2017 18: 20 New
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    It is possible that I lack intelligence and therefore, I answer.

    That's it!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 8 December 2017 19: 03 New
      0
      That's it!

  22. kalibr
    8 December 2017 18: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: Pancir026
    The National Guard must do something with us ..
    You.

    The National Guard is not engaged in those who guard the interests of the state, it is engaged in just the other!
  23. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 December 2017 19: 08 New
    +2
    avva2012,

    Yes, I’ve already gotten tired of explaining to Mikado that I am “a purely kid from the area”, I pretend skillfully to pretend.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 8 December 2017 21: 22 New
      +2
      yes you pretend to be too good, from "higher mathematics" to "psychological repression" belay drinks now I am "miserable"! request just right to say: "I envy deeply, painfully envy!"(Salieri). Joke! laughing drinks
  24. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 8 December 2017 19: 26 New
    +1
    avva2012,
    Information is the most fluid substance, and I use it shamelessly. Probably a good opera would come out of me
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 December 2017 03: 31 New
      +1
      A tendency to synthesis and analysis, a rare quality, if not strange, I think not only "a good opera would have come out."
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2017 11: 24 New
        +1
        Perhaps, but it turned out that it turned out - (again, I will not grimace) a good builder.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 9 December 2017 16: 52 New
          +1
          The ability to work with the head, the ability is universal. Previously, they tried to learn exactly this, first of all, at school. Now, do not even try.
  25. Curious
    Curious 8 December 2017 19: 36 New
    +1
    avva2012,
    If the technological singularity does not interfere.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 8 December 2017 20: 27 New
      +1
      Oppanki! Viktor Nikolaevich, you argued to me a couple of months ago that the STR is "walking the planet" (albeit slowly), in response to my statements that humanity is at an impasse. I almost believed it. And suddenly - a technological singularity ?! I didn’t finish something?
      1. Curious
        Curious 8 December 2017 20: 38 New
        +3
        So technological singularity is a consequence of scientific and technological progress, or rather, one of its moments. What is the contradiction?
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 8 December 2017 21: 30 New
          +2
          I’m twice miserable, and the two of you are breaking my brain belay not ashamed? wink fellow
          1. Curious
            Curious 8 December 2017 21: 34 New
            +4
            We use only generally accepted terms. Moreover, the issue of the trend of exponential growth due to a paradigm shift is not discussed at all.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 8 December 2017 21: 39 New
              +3
              Moreover, the issue of the trend of exponential growth due to a paradigm shift is not discussed at all.

              I’ll go, the grams are pumping up, okay? what otherwise I remembered Marat’s hand and watch, I decided to treat myself to a “barchelo”. Because, one hell, in your verbal explanations you can’t do without it. stop Three times miserable .. recourse sometimes I wonder what I do in the company of such worthy people? what in short, for you for everyone, including the debaters! drinks
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 8 December 2017 22: 23 New
              +2
              But this is VERY interesting! What can be read on the topic?
              1. Curious
                Curious 8 December 2017 22: 41 New
                +2
                Unfortunately, Kurzweil was not printed in Russian, in my opinion. “The Age of Thinking Machines”, “The Age of Spiritual Machines”, “The Singularity is Near” - everything that I saw - in English, as well as its website.
                Check out the article in Pedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%
                D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D
                1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B3%D
                1%83%D0%BB%D1%8F%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1
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                There are also Russian-language literature and some links.
              2. Mikado
                Mikado 8 December 2017 23: 56 New
                +3
                What can be read on the topic?

                is. soldier The catalog of alcoholic beverages, or Alexander Tyurin, the story "The Superhuman". There, one heroine made an injection of intelligence for herself, and with her pet. The parrot learned to memorize complex speech thoroughly, and the gibbon monkey (as the author) has grown to the level of an average politician. And she effectively managed the servants' gestures, dressed in a general's uniform with epaulettes. This is fantastic, Anton, everything is online, I checked. good in the fourth year, as a junior lieutenant, he read out. drinks
                and I fry a huge frying pan of pork onions, and let dear Viktor Nikolaevich envy with a kind word! wink drinks our answer! although it certainly fries better good
                1. Curious
                  Curious 9 December 2017 00: 10 New
                  +1
                  I prefer steak.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 9 December 2017 00: 20 New
                    +2
                    call me myself four times miserable ???? belay and I .. potatoes .. with roast .. with butter .. And I tried the ribeye steak only once, in Pereyaslavl (where Alexander Nevsky was born, where Peter built the "funny fleet", and where the best narrow-gauge railway museum in Russia The museum is half full of cars, but even the FAI-M is there! fellow ) When the blood sprinkled from the steak of the “medium rare”, I felt uneasy. no In general, our traditional cuisine is closer to me request
                    VN, there is a city, and around it are fortress monasteries. And in one there is a local museum, and there is an art gallery. The rarest things to eat! For example, the artist in 1912 depicted the Black Sea Fleet, and in the picture .. "George the Victorious", colored with flags! Agree, a rare exhibit for sketching! good
                    1. Curious
                      Curious 9 December 2017 01: 39 New
                      +1

                      Not this one, by any chance?
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 9 December 2017 11: 35 New
                        +1
                        I think yes. At least very similar. good
                        And from the Petrovsky flotilla there only the Fortune bot remained. The rest of the ships, although they were "museumified," were burned in the fire request
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 9 December 2017 00: 34 New
                    +2
                    Viktor Nikolaevich, are you from Ukraine, and not from Wales?
                    1. Curious
                      Curious 9 December 2017 00: 42 New
                      +2
                      From Ukraine, and already under three hundred years from some relatives.
                    2. Mikado
                      Mikado 11 December 2017 17: 34 New
                      +1
                      let him not from Wales, from Scotland. stop The ancestors were expelled under the Stuarts because they knew a lot, and the king made long suggestions, so to speak, "нwasp drove back and forth". fellow At first they served Peter, and it was the attack of the regiment of his ancestor that helped turn the tide of the battle of Poltava, then at Rumyantsev, Potemkin and Suvorov; General Kondratenko is also his longtime “lateral” ancestor. True, she doesn’t wear a checkered skirt in principle - she’s grit, this is a sin, and that’s it! negative That is ... our man! drinks oh .. Viktor Nikolaevich will beat me now .. wink repeat
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 9 December 2017 00: 29 New
                  +2
                  For me, Tyurin ended in "In the world of the animal", everything else is somehow uninspiring (but this is the personal opinion of a humble specialist in Russian-language science fiction. Here - yes, I won’t grimace, strong, little devil!)
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 10 December 2017 00: 49 New
                    +2
                    and I would reread it, but there is no time. Although I read only three stories, I liked it.
                  2. Monarchist
                    Monarchist 11 December 2017 17: 07 New
                    +1
                    But science fiction somehow doesn't really interest me. Sometimes I read, but .... it's not for everybody
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 8 December 2017 21: 39 New
          +3
          There is no contradiction, I also argued that the STR is slowly collapsing.
          1. Curious
            Curious 8 December 2017 21: 48 New
            +3
            With regard to scientific and technological progress, technological singularity is a breakthrough, extremely rapid growth.
            According to Kurzweil, it will come around 2045. The Earth will begin to turn into one giant computer, and gradually this process can spread to the whole Universe. The nature of the singularity is such that it is difficult to make more specific forecasts for the period after 2045.
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 8 December 2017 22: 31 New
              +3
              Yeah, I'm kind of starting to understand the analogy. Is the year 2045 a collapsar, all that is beyond the “event horizon”? Again - what to read?
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 9 December 2017 03: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Curious If the technological singularity does not hurt.

      Well, yes, if, perhaps, once again a dead end, then again the Flood, Comet, V. Bashnya and, like L. Gumilyov’s, "the end and the beginning again." What is a couple of million years for Eternity?
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2017 11: 42 New
        +2
        No, no, no, about the impasse - this is our long-standing dispute with VN about the stages and dynamics of scientific and technological progress. Technological singularity does not imply cataclysms in the style of Emerich. On the contrary, this is an avalanche-like growth of scientific and technological revolution, pedaling a qualitative evolutionary breakthrough. One sadness, humanity, as a species, is dissolved in technology.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 9 December 2017 17: 01 New
          +1
          If it dissolves, then rightly to him / us. Already now, the question is, are brains capable of perceiving all this? They, that is, brains, of course, are as volatile as possible in comparison with the body, but nevertheless, there is a limit and general stupidity to everything, which, we said above, is not the result of "avalanche-like growth"? One of the protective functions of the brain is the inhibition of one's own activity. We, our own children, then, into whom do we turn?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 9 December 2017 18: 08 New
            +2
            I discussed the issues of developing children's education here with Elena (ruskih), you can familiarize yourself with my position. With VN we talked about the theory of scientific and technological revolution of one of the world's leading futurologists. VN even cited a link from Wiki, on which you can familiarize yourself with the concept. But if you are not interested, I can’t do anything with this.
            Question: Why are you so angry, who did you decide with a scalpel or went to work?
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 9 December 2017 19: 35 New
              +3
              On the contrary, I came from work. Yes, and not evil, I, it seems to you. Angry, they are indifferent.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 9 December 2017 19: 59 New
                +3
                But I’m angry, for a week I got acquainted with the Russian health care system.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 10 December 2017 06: 09 New
                  +2
                  Get well soon, getting sick is always bad.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 10 December 2017 10: 18 New
                    +2
                    Thank! I am doing my best.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 10 December 2017 11: 09 New
                      +2
                      Soon in our bright society, everyone will only have to try. But, nothing, already, we are rushing to the rescue, methods according to Foll, healers and healers, osteopaths, and most importantly, effective managers from medicine. Everything will be fine! Already, young doctors are treating them according to the recommendations of pharmaceutical companies, and not according to the bioavailability and pharmacokinetics of drugs. And, true, why read pharmacology when everything is on the Internet, and the smartphone even has pictures of various pathological processes.
                      By the way, in paid medicine, after the last doctors who have been educated in the USSR die, those who passed the exam will also remain.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 11 December 2017 13: 04 New
                        +1
                        young doctors are treated according to the recommendations of pharmaceutical companies, and not according to the bioavailability and pharmacokinetics of drugs.

                        I once went to work with pneumonia for about three weeks before being fired from my "favorite organs". There was no one to serve! And then, all the same, I went to the clinic, and yes, they prescribed me medications there (some new ones, or what?). As I recall, the ratio of their value in relation to my then salary .. To get sick is bad for the budget! laughing
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 10 December 2017 07: 28 New
            +1
            Alexander, no matter what a person studies, no matter how hard he tries, he has no power over his brain. Alzheimer will come and level everything. But he comes to some at 45! It seems there is no money?
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 December 2017 10: 23 New
              +1
              Why then twitch?
              "After all, they will lie down in the common land
              Our mortal remains
              Earth is one to her
              Apatity and dung "
              (V. Vysotsky) request
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 10 December 2017 11: 19 New
              +2
              Dmitry, the process of thinking, of course, is expensive for the brain, but one way or another, this process is pleasant. About Alzheimer's. Another advertising campaign advertised by Western pharmaceutical companies. First you need to scare, as always. Some drugs that were intended for this disease, now, already advertised for admission and at an earlier age, "for prevention." Business. By the way, the incidence of Alzheimer's is insignificant in the general population. The risk of a heart attack, stroke, or oncology is several times higher. So, in my opinion, you have to be an optimist.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 10 December 2017 12: 17 New
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                In this case, I do not agree with you, Alexander! I suppose Alzheimer's disease is very common, they are just encrypted, as far as possible, you can suspect everyone, but only tests can prove it. And it makes no sense to hide a heart attack, stroke, and oncology. It is NECESSARY to treat quickly.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 10 December 2017 13: 24 New
                  0
                  Dmitry, I'm sorry, but I'm in the system and I know how and what they hide. This disease is not one of them. They hide just cardiovascular and oncology with tuberculosis.
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 10 December 2017 14: 38 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Dmitry, I'm sorry, but I'm in the system and I know how and what they hide. This disease is not one of them. They hide just cardiovascular and oncology with tuberculosis.
                    we are talking about different things, I mean that patients hide from everyone the dangers of processes in the brain. I realized that you are reporting. ??
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 10 December 2017 14: 48 New
                      +2
                      Clear. The problem is that the patient does not know that he is sick and even, to the last, believes that he is healthy.
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 10 December 2017 15: 48 New
                        +1
                        With tongue removed. And Dmitry does not seem to be aware of the clinical picture.
  26. Curious
    Curious 9 December 2017 11: 52 New
    +1
    Mikado,
    This is Korovin. "Holiday on the water." From the funds of the museum of Pereslavl Zalessky Just why do you think that "Potemkin?". It seems like two pipes, on the Potemkin three.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 9 December 2017 12: 27 New
      +2
      no, no, I was talking about "George the Victorious"! one of the first Black Sea battleships, who served both the WWII and the Civil War, and was led off by Whites to Bizerte.
      and it is possible that the same type of "Sinop".
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 9 December 2017 12: 30 New
      +1
      Was it about George the Victorious?
      1. Curious
        Curious 9 December 2017 12: 57 New
        +2
        Sorry for the carelessness. All is correct. I was mistaken.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 9 December 2017 13: 28 New
          +2
          taking into account the church names of the overwhelming number of Black Sea armadillos, it would be no wonder I catch myself, but Potemkin was renamed Saint Panteleimon .. hi pun!
          The Twelve Apostles lived the longest, withdrawn from service even before the PVM. And who successfully survived two wars as a blockchain, and in 1925 was used to shoot the film “Battleship Potemkin.” They could have saved! It’s a pity! They could have saved Peter the Great, he’s generally until the end of the 50s was afloat ... request
          1. Curious
            Curious 9 December 2017 14: 36 New
            +1
            Yes, the British kept their Warrior, the Japanese Mikasu, the Greeks Averof, the Bulgarians, the destroyer Daring. Perhaps everything. But one of the destroyers “novices” could be saved without problems. Mythic ship after all.
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 9 December 2017 15: 57 New
              +1
              Well, we only have one ship from the time of the REV preserved .. the unsuccessful cruiser is a symbol of the Revolution, which was categorically unlucky for the tsarist commanders (one died under Tsushima, the other killed his own sailors) .. request although his sailors showed themselves very heroically during the Great Patriotic War, and the guns brought great benefit. soldier
  27. kalibr
    9 December 2017 12: 07 New
    +1
    avva2012,
    My wife has a pension of 7800, and a granddaughter who needs a lot of help, so a thousand euros is also very important for me.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 9 December 2017 12: 54 New
      +2
      It seems I'm starting to understand, let me formulate. “It’s kind of like a professional, it’s more than happened in many areas, and has done a lot of good for people, for which they remember, value and respect, and I work (even if it’s an interesting job) like a damn last 25 years, but ....” the grateful fatherland awarded with a bayonet in the belly "!"
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 9 December 2017 17: 06 New
        +2
        You call the anti-Soviet, "working like a damn, last 25 years"? So, excuse me, this is capitalism and the market, and there are so many anti-advisers that there are not enough thousands of euros for everyone on 1. You need to be more creative, then maybe ....
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 9 December 2017 18: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: avva2012
          You call the anti-Soviet, "working like a damn, last 25 years"? So, excuse me, this is capitalism and the market, and there are so many anti-advisers that there are not enough thousands of euros for everyone on 1. You need to be more creative, then maybe ....

          Since in the 90s you, Alexander, were at a more conscious age than me, then you correctly know the quote that happens to those who do not fit into the market. And who fit into the market? After all, it all happened differently. DIFFERENT RESULTS AND VARIOUS FEE FOR THIS MOST “FIT” And there is something to compare.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 9 December 2017 19: 24 New
            +2
            Yes, Dmitry, I know, everything happened before our eyes. They fit perfectly into the market (those who survived), those who had a departmental garage or an enterprise under the supervision of a garage. Connections mattered.
            Of course, consciously, I do not take Abramovich as an example, as he did his pension, I don’t know, but I'm talking about those whom I saw and talked to.
            Not badly attached to those who immediately became a democrat. Basically, it is the humanities, like V.O. We went into politics, moved speeches at rallies, 21.08.91, for example. Then, they began to be elected from local doom to state. These are all practical anti-advisers. They removed the foam. True, it was dangerous. Then they shot at the shooting range, but if the selection went through, then now they live happily ever after. Dear author, I did not belong to the first category because of my main profession, but I could not / did not want to get into the second, so to speak tactfully. Here is the result. Now, to carry the mass of anti-Soviet, is also approved, but its price has fallen. Talk, then many can. Market.
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 10 December 2017 00: 56 New
            +1
            And who fit into the market?

            the one who got an apartment in my entrance from the state during resettlement, and once a week in the same entrance and urinates. Arranged? wink no, he is clearly not an oligarch, but he received his "bun". hi
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 10 December 2017 04: 03 New
              +2
              Good morning, Nikolai! I sympathize with you and other residents. Yeah, you need to change the stress. And I remembered the story of one woman about how she fit then. It was a general production conversation, well, aside, she recalls how good it was then. "I wrote about 20 books." I'm interested ?? Answer: "" 3 books THE RICH ALSO Crying, 3 books THE SLAVE OF ISAUR, well, other names in 3 pieces !!!!!!! I was stunned, I thought my aunt was buggy! Then, older people explained that yes, there were not only these films in my childhood, but also books !!!!!!!! I found out that there are books on each series ~~~ for 20 !!!!!! That really fit in. Then I happened to show that I was in courses, asked about 3 pieces, because there were much more of them ???? Answer ----- I have been distributed so much !!!!! That's what!!!!!!!!
            2. avva2012
              avva2012 10 December 2017 07: 43 New
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              Mikado: "the one who received an apartment in my entrance from the state during the resettlement, and once a week in the same entrance and urinates. Will arrange?".
              Chuck, already, with the whole porch for video surveillance and solve the problem.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 10 December 2017 21: 27 New
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                Chuck, already, with the whole porch for video surveillance and solve the problem.

                Alexander, let me translate: That is, let all the good people in the porch (regardless of whether they received apartments from the state, or bought them), must take off with your hard-earned money so that the one and only lumpen ferret stopped urinating? Not too luxurious ??? stop Might I still have to personally clean up after him? Moreover, he probably will not understand this ... lifestyle, so to speak. Gorgeous, bravo! Let every “pissing boy” receive a video camera at the national expense. hi Let's be happy lumpens, and communism will definitely come to us! good
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 December 2017 23: 30 New
                  +1
                  And most importantly - the problem does not solve in any way.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 11 December 2017 00: 02 New
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                    absolutely right. hi
                2. avva2012
                  avva2012 11 December 2017 04: 17 New
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                  An option from the movie, “Brother,” is illegal if I’m not mistaken, and video surveillance in the entrance is useful not only to determine which of the xy.
                  Let's be happy lumpens, and communism will definitely come to us!

                  What if it’s not a lumpen? belay
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 11 December 2017 10: 29 New
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                    indeed, this is a depressed mid-level manager. yes or "red professor." He regularly leaves the contents of the stomach in the gateways, and scatters garbage wherever he gets. fellow it's me that people do not change.request There are people, and there are pigs. Lives in the so-called "cultural capital", he received an apartment from the state, and "class" instincts were to shit near the wattle fence (so as not to "carry" oneself far) as they were and remained. hi
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 December 2017 12: 04 New
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                      Nikolai, did you catch the virus of social Darwinism from V.O.? And what about the depressed middle manager, the physiology is different? Or does education give a vaccine against swine? Yes, full of boars, pay attention to the road. The fact that someone “received the apartment from the state” does not automatically make him not a person, but whoever bought the apartment does not make him a person with a capital “H”.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 11 December 2017 12: 14 New
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                        I say so. So why should I spend money on a camcorder for the sake of this boar, which also breeds?
                        Oh, and by the way, these boars (of all social strata) have not yet grown to communism. Pay attention to the roads. Not matured then, and now they will not grow for a long time hi and you have to be worthy of happiness. hi "the body is swimming, but the soul is forgetful."
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 December 2017 12: 30 New
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                      Quote: Mikado Yes, and by the way - these boars (of all social strata) have not yet grown to communism.

                      Nikolay, this is me about social Darwinism. Nietzsche wrote, "For those who look into the abyss. Remember, the abyss also looks at you." Today, you hate lumpens, and tomorrow whom? If you hate it, then the concrete gadd who spoils your life than the class, nationality, social group. It will be cheaper, for health, to put a camera and fill the face of this poet, then. Technical details, I will not describe, and you yourself know how.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 11 December 2017 12: 39 New
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                        It will be cheaper, for health, to put a camera and fill the face of this poet, then.

                        I will stuff. But he will turn out to be "well-worn", and will file it with the police, he will find ten more drinking buddy witnesses. Or the door will be set on fire, and I’ll prove what the hell. Well, I just, for an example. I’ll see - I’ll inflict, of course, at such moments a person does not think, but acts on emotions.
                        Nikolay, this is me about social Darwinism. Nietzsche wrote, "For those who look into the abyss. Remember, the abyss also looks at you."

                        I, Alexander, had a triple in sociology. hi But I see "Darwinism" every day near my house, in the person of half the drunken "indigenous population", and holding shops and other shawarma of guests from the southern republics. Pay attention - they are all "fit perfectly into the market"! hi
                    3. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 December 2017 13: 04 New
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                      I’ll see - I’ll inflict, of course, at such moments a person does not think, but acts on emotions.
                      No, you can’t leave things to chance wink laughing
                      and other shawarma of guests from the southern republics.
                      In, the lumpen, the owners of the shawarma, are already in a bunch. Who is next? I did not study sociology, so I read it, here and there. And everywhere, one and the same, are real! Only, they have different names. Somewhere, under the name, the Alawites, somewhere, they could. Where, how.
                      Blame, anyone, but not a specific ghoul, which, including money puts in offshore.
                      Watch your hands, it’s called this canoe, a couple of thousand years, and we all buy it.
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 11 December 2017 13: 07 New
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                        Only, they have different names.

                        Take it right away - Annunaki reptilians! laughing so to speak: "Hello, Dmitry!" wink drinks Dmitry is a joke! drinks
                    4. avva2012
                      avva2012 11 December 2017 13: 15 New
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                      Dmitry, is encrypted. He says that the image is special, they say, girls from reptilians, madness. wink
                      1. Mikado
                        Mikado 11 December 2017 13: 23 New
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                        Dmitry, is encrypted. He says that the image is special, they say, girls from reptilians, madness. wink

                        so we also adore him, with pure male friendship on the forum! drinks
                        "According to him, the woman went crazy, well, the same muzhuki!" good (V.S. Vysotsky) laughing
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 9 December 2017 18: 53 New
          +2
          I call work the production of tangible and intangible assets. In this case, I am trying to understand the position of a person who is not inclined to view through the scope. Just as recently, I tried to understand yours.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 9 December 2017 19: 27 New
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            I mean, is the scope already set up? laughing
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 9 December 2017 19: 50 New
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              When you look through the scope, it is not up to understanding and other intellectual reflections, you need to gently press the trigger. At least they taught me that.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 9 December 2017 20: 01 New
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                Yeah, firmly pressing the butt to his shoulder.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 10 December 2017 01: 14 New
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                  the position of a person who is not inclined to consider through the scope

                  Alexander, jokes with jokes, but you have no enemies here. hi moreover, you don’t need a sight, you plug anyone with an enema to complete demoralization laughing
                  When you look through the scope, it is not up to understanding and other intellectual reflections, you need to gently press the trigger.

                  approximately the same thing was said by one of my acquaintances, who, in Soviet times, had thrown a felon who had fallen upon him with a knife. Accidentally. He (urka) went to work, kill the guard and take possession of weapons, and he got the shift supervisor along the way. That flew .. rightly, right in the forehead .. and no reflection! soldier
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 10 December 2017 06: 22 New
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                    Nikolai, my personal enemies, of course not. We, all here, are binary codes, even if we act under PD. Anger is caused by those ideas, which, including, I voiced. A clear feeling when it comes to whether public or private property should be in the country.
              2. Mikado
                Mikado 10 December 2017 00: 51 New
                +1
                you need to gently pull the trigger. At least they taught me that.

                first squeeze the "free play" .. what
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 10 December 2017 10: 35 New
                  +1
                  A common mistake, Nikolai. Exactly the same as "smoothly release the clutch"
            2. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 9 December 2017 19: 57 New
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              I know what they shot, even in our yard late at night. Mom got a job in different companies, then they fell apart, then into others, but somehow survived. Geology did not immediately fit into the market. There was such a film, one or two serial, "White Arrow", in 2 they shot the same series. Who remembers that time, they said that in the 2015 series all events are exactly against the background of that time. So it was then. And the events themselves ---- was-was not?
              Thanks for the clarification, Alexander.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 9 December 2017 20: 16 New
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                Please, Dmitry. Everything has a price in the society in which we live, sorry for the banality. I remember there was such a perestroika film about a hat. Like, he lived, there was a writer, and winter hats were allocated to their writers' union. To each of a certain fur. So, here he got a hat from a cat. He is indignant, he walks seeking justice and one writer, a high-flying fawn-cap holder, tells him "you spoke at meetings, spoke, but you are not ours, speak, not enough, you have to do this, here's a hat and a hat." The film was considered an evil satire on Soviet reality. Time passed, but no, it turns out about reality, but another.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 9 December 2017 21: 06 New
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                  that character was very lucky ----- they still gave him a hat. Now, all the bonuses are taken away by the top ones, and those who are lower ----- promises and cookies work mezensetno!
                  1. Reptiloid
                    Reptiloid 10 December 2017 04: 14 New
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                    he wrote about films, and Vyacheslav was also interested in the film. ABBATSHIP ....... Thank God he didn’t watch, and his acquaintances too. And I found out that people are making money! AFFFFFFTARY write books on the series! That's the answer to Vyacheslav Olegovich about earnings! TV shows ------ cloud !!!!! Yes, and all have enough space in this thread !!!!!
  28. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 9 December 2017 17: 50 New
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    avva2012,
    Actually, my idea. Where can I get my share of the next grant !?
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 9 December 2017 19: 28 New
      +3
      I do not know, this question is not for me. According to the grants, here, the specialist, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 9 December 2017 19: 54 New
        +2
        Again they kicked! So I wanted to sell Russia to Neanderthals!
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 10 December 2017 01: 24 New
          +5
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          So I wanted to sell Russia to Neanderthals!

          And the money in offshore? For offshore transfers, please contact Mr. Shpakovsky again. wink
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 10 December 2017 01: 31 New
            +2
            it already begins to surprise me that V.O. Shpakovsky does at his University. what He has already been credited so much that he should sit at least in the State Duma. fellow Or be an oligarch on the run! belay And he ... works as an assistant professor .. is encrypted, hit! wink drinks
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 10 December 2017 01: 59 New
              +5
              Quote: Mikado
              He has already been credited so much,

              I didn’t ascribe anything to him. He himself wrote an article about offshore here, and about what he gave advice on the placement of money in these offshore. yes
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 10 December 2017 10: 30 New
              +2
              And how encrypted! Even Berezovsky got to hell, he could not restrain his zealous nature. And this minuscule is playing, snatched!
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 11 December 2017 13: 13 New
                +1
                And this minuscule is playing, snatched!

                Anton, I beg you, take care of Shpakovsky! wink If the "communists" crush him with intelligence, then they will take over for you! according to principle: "Very smart, but you see, also "minuscule plays," counter!" angry drinks
  29. avva2012
    avva2012 9 December 2017 19: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Again they kicked! So I wanted to sell Russia to Neanderthals!

    Late. crying
  30. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 11 December 2017 15: 02 New
    +3
    Mikado,
    I just can’t understand, Nikolay! After all, a year ago, probably, we had a conversation about your entrance. You did not take my advice and continue to endure garbage with the whole porch, SUFFERING !!! Well, consider ---- I forgave you for your carelessness !!! Okay, I’ll give other advice. In St. Petersburg, there is a program that improves the living environment of residents. Video surveillance also enters there, but THIS should attend to your HOA. Only the subscription fee follows, and everyone is happy with it! Well, if you and your neighbors do not change the situation, then I will think about you and the inhabitants of your entrance very badly. HA HA HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Suffer and suffer, if you like it so much, and it will be like in a folk song:
    "" One warlike vassal,
    He walked his entire staircase ... ""
    No offense, Nikolai! Everything is fine in the stairwell and in the neighboring ones too !!! You know: I am in different parts of the city, in different territories. Everything is fine in the city !!! Somehow, did I notice something on Prosvet .......
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 11 December 2017 17: 46 New
      +1
      You did not use my advice and continue to endure garbage all porch

      I’m not up to the entrance; I’m arriving at ten from work. And by character, it’s not a “social activist”, but an individualist anarchist (Schwonder’s words). And with whom to negotiate if half of the microdistrict does not inspire confidence? Absolutely seriously, since I also visit neighboring houses. hi but I also wrote to you about my neighbors. No, this public has ensured that everyone has their own chutes (you see, rats, it stinks), only the stench appeared of a different character! From the "same."
      But .. now I understand perfectly people who want to live in a separate house from the "society" .. hi
      No offense, Nikolai! Everything is fine in the stairwell and in the neighboring ones too !!!

      it is with you. Take a ride in the Southwest. Not by the "Khrushchev", but by the "nine-story building" and newer. hi
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 12 December 2017 09: 59 New
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        Any problem should be resolved as it arises. Otherwise, she will be able to come back to you repeatedly until you decide.
        As applied to you ---- I know people who have moved more than once. At the porches they’re not only shitting, Nikolai ..