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Russian Olympians - IOC: Select medals? Well, try it...

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Russian athletes, whose participation at the Olympic Games in Sochi annulled the IOC, refused to comply with the requirements of the Olympic Committee. Recall that during the last time the IOC, guided by accusations from WADA, announced the deprivation of awards of several members of the Russian national team. After that, the Russian national team was moved from 1 to 6 in the team event, which is unprecedented for the entire Olympic stories an event - an event that says that now the result is shown not by the athletes at the stadiums, ski, bobsleigh, biathlon tracks, but by the officials, in the offices of photographs counting scratches on test tubes.


Russian Olympians - IOC: Select medals? Well, try it...


Russian athletes who are deprived of the IOC medals have declared that they are not only not going to give up their results, but also intend to defend their rights in international courts. Several lawsuits have already been submitted to the International Court of Sports in Lausanne.

It is necessary to assume that it will be impossible to achieve justice in this court for the simple reason that its panel of judges received a relevant order from well-known initiators of anti-Russian hysteria long ago.

Recall that earlier in the same court, and other Russian athletes who were accused of using funds that were on the list of banned just a few weeks before the start of major international tournaments applied. However, no decision has yet been taken to restore Russian athletes in their rights and to compensate for moral and material damage.
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  1. The black
    The black 29 November 2017 18: 15 New
    26
    Everything is imprisoned for the election of the President of the Russian Federation ... they will not leave us alone. Unfortunately, I think that the participation of our guys at the Olympics in Korea under a BIG question .....
    1. Going
      Going 29 November 2017 18: 17 New
      41
      Quote: Black
      Everything is imprisoned for the election of the President of the Russian Federation ... they will not leave us alone. Unfortunately, I think that the participation of our guys at the Olympics in Korea under a BIG question .....


      This is the revenge of the United States, for the fact that we do not want to dance to their tune.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 29 November 2017 18: 21 New
        42
        US revenge will begin when local clowns begin to collect Maidan.

        And this is just preparing the clowns for their last performance. The situation is escalating on all fronts.

        As a result, clowns will come together who

        1) consider that the Russian Federation is too soft
        2) consider that the Russian Federation is too childish

        Both the "patriots" and the "Westerners" play combinations. Literate guys.



        1. Going
          Going 29 November 2017 18: 23 New
          16
          This is also being prepared, but the United States does not disdain anything, it will spoil wherever it can.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 29 November 2017 19: 33 New
            +9
            You forgot about the 2018 World Cup, this is also a goal along with the presidential elections in Russia.
            Break the World Cup, a dream for Uncle Sam.
            1. Going
              Going 29 November 2017 21: 38 New
              +9
              I may have forgotten my way of life, but they have not forgotten for sure, their task is not to transfer Ch.M. , and the removal of the Russian team, can you imagine what move on their part ...
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 29 November 2017 22: 59 New
                24
                So it is. What Russia needs to do:
                1. Do not return any Olympic medals to Russian athletes and do not return prize money back to the IOC for anything. (The delivery of a medal also implies the return of a money prize by an athlete. Moreover, the prizes of athletes have long been spent.)
                2. It is necessary for each athlete to file a lawsuit specifically with the courts of GENERAL jurisdiction - and on SPECIFIC IOC OFFICERS AND WADA. For the arbitration court in Lausani will not decide anything in favor of the Russian athletes, because, in fact, it is not sufficiently independent from the IOC and from WADA. This is all one sports industry. Therefore, every Russian athlete needs to file lawsuits in courts of general jurisdiction.
                At the same time, Russian athletes need each IOC and WADA official to file a claim, demanding that they reimburse the athlete-plaintiff MONEY COMPENSATION for large amounts of moral damages and for the lost profit of taking a prize in competitions at the Olympic Games.
                3. File a lawsuit against WADA for defamation and for depriving WADA of a monopoly on determining what is and what is not doping. And it turns out that the analogue of American meldonium, authorized by WADA in the USA, by WADA is not doping.
                4. The Russian Federation must provide Russian athletes with good and free lawyers for them to conduct their lawsuits in courts of general jurisdiction.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 29 November 2017 23: 22 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  So it is. What Russia needs to do:

                  and generally do it more often
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 30 November 2017 00: 52 New
                    +2
                    Unfortunately, the Olympic sports movement is degenerating into a purely political American business, with the elimination of sports rivals that prevent American advertising companies and IOC officials from earning the greatest profits.

                    Channel One: IOC unreasonably excludes Russian athletes from Olympic competitions. Published: 29 Nov 2017
                    1. poquello
                      poquello 30 November 2017 01: 13 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      Unfortunately, the sports Olympic movement degenerates into a purely political American business

                      this quality is typical for many "international" organizations today, the targeted implementation and promotion of US interests leveled the international principle itself
                2. SergeBS
                  SergeBS 29 November 2017 23: 27 New
                  +3
                  Now remove the “pink glasses" and try to figure it out.
                  WADA - whose is this?
                  IOC - whose?
                  And sho, do they suddenly bite the "lactating hand"?
                  Or will there be judges who are not both international and p.
                  I'm laughing at you.
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 30 November 2017 00: 42 New
                    0
                    Poklonskaya predicted the IOC liquidation

                    https://vz.ru/news/2017/11/29/897454.html
                    1. SergeBS
                      SergeBS 30 November 2017 02: 02 New
                      +4
                      Although the nyasha from the Crimea and the PGM-nutaya, but this time he is not mistaken. Either IOC and America are always right, or IOC - kirdyk and America have the full right to the championship in spitting in length, in wide jumps and other bullshit.
                3. demo
                  demo 29 November 2017 23: 30 New
                  +3
                  Although this is not the best option, but FORCING Racingly run with papers on the courts.
                  1. Amurets
                    Amurets 30 November 2017 04: 02 New
                    +1
                    Quote: demo
                    Although this is not the best option, but FORCING Racingly run paper with papers

                    Are you sure that he will run? Here it is necessary to use the accelerator, in the form of a harpoon, richly greased with ski and stuck Mutko in the fifth point. Here is his fresh pearl: “Therefore, I laugh when idle politicians from sports are accused of doping from Russian athletes. Here is the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, the head of the Russian Football Union (RFU) Vitaly Mutko agree with me. Vitaly Leontyevich is sure that blaming our players for the use of doping is nonsense. And he brought a murderous, as it seems to me, argument. If we play doping like that, the RFU head said, if I’m not mistaken, what would happen without him? " http://www.ng.ru/titus/2017-11-30/1_7126_filantro
                    pia.html
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 30 November 2017 07: 23 New
                      0
                      Quote: Amurets
                      http://www.ng.ru/titus/2017-11-30/1_7126_filantro
                      pia.html

                      Well, at least do not drag this nonsense here!
                  2. forty-eighth
                    forty-eighth 30 November 2017 09: 36 New
                    0
                    Why would he run? Nobody criticizes him at a high level, sn drips monthly, so what's the point of straining him? Nerve cells are not restored. It’s better to shout once again to the box “This is a Masonic conspiracy” and rather lean back in the chair - the work has been done, where are my prizes?
                4. al.schenaev
                  al.schenaev 30 November 2017 00: 40 New
                  +1
                  Compensation for moral damage should be equal to the reward for a gold medal, because every athlete can climb the highest step of the podium, well, Prokhorov promised to help lawyers, at least biathletes
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 30 November 2017 03: 30 New
                    +1
                    Quote: al.schenaev
                    Compensation for moral damage should be equal to the reward for a gold medal, because every athlete can climb the highest step of the podium, well, Prokhorov promised to help lawyers, at least biathletes

                    to begin with, at least get an objective and fair decision in an overseas civil court, then calculate the amount of compensation !!! am am am
                5. tasha
                  tasha 30 November 2017 05: 18 New
                  +3
                  Do not return any Olympic medals to Russian athletes and do not return prize money back to the IOC for anything.

                  Taking part in the Olympic Games (a voluntary event, by the way), the participating countries agreed to the requirements of the Olympic Charter. Medals and diplomas must be returned to the IOC. Nothing has been written about the money in the charter. No decision made by the IOC can be challenged after 3 years from the closing date of the Olympic Games. So the medals must be returned.
                  1. shans2
                    shans2 30 November 2017 08: 34 New
                    +3
                    Khrenushki, there is no evidence - there is no return of medals, there are no positive tests for doping, everything is clean, there are jumps and tweaks, we send them. dot.
                    1. tasha
                      tasha 30 November 2017 09: 21 New
                      +2
                      Excuses. If the IOC made a decision, then participants in the Olympic movement are obliged to execute it. Then sue ...
                      Here, as in the cards - do not play with cheaters ..
                      1. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 30 November 2017 18: 12 New
                        +4
                        tasha
                        Taking part in the Olympic Games (a voluntary event, by the way), the participating countries agreed to the requirements of the Olympic Charter. Medals and diplomas must be returned to the IOC. Nothing has been written about the money in the charter. No decision made by the IOC can be challenged after 3 years from the closing date of the Olympic Games. So the medals must be returned.

                        2014 Winter Olympic Games (XXII Olympic Winter Games) were held in the Russian city of Sochi from 7 to 23 on February 2014. The IOC decision regarding Russian athletes has been handed down now - after the 3-year term at the end of it.
                        Legally it the IOC's decision is also overdue and has no legal force. And its wave can be challenged in courts of general jurisdiction, as well as the IOC Charter itself with its voluntarism on the part of IOC officials.
                        Therefore, in no case should OI medals be given to our athletes! It is necessary to apply to officials of the IOC and WADA in the courts of general jurisdiction !!! With the requirement from the defendants to reimburse the athletes for a large monetary compensation for moral damage and loss of profits by them in their participation in the next Olympic Games.
                        If they return the medals, then no one will return these medals to them. The court, too, will follow the path of least resistance - and it will draw on what happened.
                        By the way, if I’m not mistaken, our athletes will not be the first to return medals to the IOC.
                      2. poquello
                        poquello 30 November 2017 23: 26 New
                        +2
                        Quote: tasha
                        Excuses. If the IOC made a decision, then participants in the Olympic movement are obliged to execute it. Then sue ...
                        Here, as in the cards - do not play with cheaters ..

                        to challenge the privatization of the Olympic movement, because the IOC, as it were, is not the IOC, only once, two are FIGs and not medals and the creation of some thread of the Committee of the International Olympic Movement, with the same charter and everything else except WADA and other political muhlezh
                6. Burbon
                  Burbon 30 November 2017 09: 04 New
                  0
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  So it is. What Russia needs to do

                  Are you an international lawyer? since athletes and coaches have not yet filed, they won a single trial, then not everything is as clean as in our propaganda!
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 30 November 2017 23: 31 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Burbon
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    So it is. What Russia needs to do

                    Are you an international lawyer? since athletes and coaches have not yet filed, they won a single trial, then not everything is as clean as in our propaganda!

                    Yes, in general, violet, let them look for musketeers in Europe, and collective farmers in Europe too
              2. Izotovp
                Izotovp 30 November 2017 00: 04 New
                +2
                A list has already been announced that includes 34 football players who allegedly used doping.
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        2. The black
          The black 29 November 2017 18: 25 New
          57
          What's next ??? Well, throw Russia! Simply, the sport is already uninteresting to me, because It does not comply with any ethical standards !!! Everything is put on politics and money !!! The IOC principle itself is completely discredited !!!! Competitions, as such, do not occur among athletes, but only who will deceive whom in doping, or will deceive in analyzes !!! I do not believe that all of our athletes are sitting on it. Moreover, Wikilix opened her eyes to the world of sports by publishing official documents, primarily American, when athletes take not drugs, but drugs (officially !!!) !!!! Therefore, for me sport has long been uninteresting! I remember those times when we sat and watched the Olympics without stopping watching TV, and now it's all in the past, alas. It’s a pity only athletes who worked all their lives and, overnight, were left behind! True, our leadership (led by Mutko !!!) screwed up, instead of defending their athletes !!! He has "put" on sports for a long time and in his eyes he has only dollars !!! I would have chased him for a long time with a "filthy broom" and, even, would not have entrusted the leadership, even with the village sports club. But, alas, "things are still there" !!!!
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 29 November 2017 18: 26 New
            16
            What's next ??? Well, throw Russia! It's just that I'm not interested in sports


            everyone will find a topic of interest. He can’t arrange everything.

            To sports in parallel. Through the Donbass psyche will be pressed. To whom it is violet to Donbass - that will not give a visa. To whom and to spoil a visa - that will show Kolya.

            Party will be collected in any case. Look at this site - the characters are in the wings and ready. The shit is boiling - and the firewood will still be thrown

            And they will pay this internal resources. After privatization, there are enough of them.

            1. RESEARCHER
              RESEARCHER 29 November 2017 19: 16 New
              19
              Once the allegations on the part of the IOC Commission have been proven to be false, it is necessary to initiate a company about lifelong the removal of the current leadership of the IOC, led by T. Bach from the Olympic movement and the prosecution of libel. There are plenty of reasons for such a company, since all the basic norms of the Olympic Charter have been violated. Regarding the need for WADA, this office must be abolished altogether. Notice, about WADA, I was not the first to say this. This idea was repeatedly put forward by H.A. Samaranch.
              1. jjj
                jjj 29 November 2017 19: 32 New
                +4
                And you also noticed that as soon as international functionaries were about to announce the removal of Russia from the Olympics in South Korea, the North Korean missiles again flew
              2. Ulan
                Ulan 29 November 2017 19: 36 New
                0
                Do not be naive. Until the presidential and soccer World Cup elections are held in Russia, no action will be taken against IOC and WADA officials.
                Although I fully support you.
                1. kirgiz58
                  kirgiz58 29 November 2017 22: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ulan
                  Until the presidential and soccer World Cup elections are held in Russia, no action will be taken against IOC and WADA officials.

                  No action will be taken after these activities. Why throw beads in front of pigs. Just after the elections and the World Cup, the aggressiveness of pigs will fall at times and will be tolerant (like us. laughing )
                  1. al.schenaev
                    al.schenaev 30 November 2017 00: 44 New
                    +2
                    yeah, and their horde? Nothing, it’s growing somewhere in the backwoods of Evpatiy Kolovrat
                  2. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 30 November 2017 03: 33 New
                    +1
                    Quote: kirgiz58
                    Just after the elections and the World Cup, the aggressiveness of pigs will fall at times and will be tolerant

                    come on??? what what what then again wait from the bottom of the aggravation before the next OI ??? recourse recourse negative negative negative
                    1. sogdy
                      sogdy 30 November 2017 07: 50 New
                      0
                      Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                      then again wait from the bottom of the aggravation before the next OI ???

                      Now the FSB has entered into business. They will compete for Rodchenko for a long time. One option is just like polonium.

                      All of them have already noticed that transfer to courts of general jurisdiction is not carefully allowed.

                      Option one bis: everything goes as it goes, only the ICH profit suddenly turns out to be a decline. As with sanctions. The main thing is that we do not allow losses. And then the position of the government is clear - a minimum of expenses, let them rage. They didn’t notice how skillfully Colonel Isinbaeva stepped out of her swara.
            2. tatarin_ru
              tatarin_ru 29 November 2017 22: 46 New
              0
              everyone will find a topic of interest

              And you?
              While you put the pros and agree not all is lost hi
          2. sogdy
            sogdy 30 November 2017 07: 38 New
            0
            Quote: Black
            True, our leadership (led by Mutko !!!) screwed up, instead of defending their athletes !!!

            He started for health, and finished as always ...
            Gonevo ripens - only in open sources - almost 10 years. Another 10 can be added without a doubt. Whom do you blame for the fact that everything collapsed a long time ago? They have already stretched more than 20 years on these ruins. Now this zombie's limbs have fallen off, and all Mutko is to blame ... That will not fly up!
        3. SPACE
          SPACE 29 November 2017 18: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: s-t Petrov
          local clowns

          Yes, something comments from the local true "patriots" for the prosperity of the homeland, is not it? laughing
          Look, how amicably they yelled at Medvedev and other managers, in the next article about space, they very “sincerely” lamented the country completely ruined and plundered by the oligarchs, modestly jabbing its index finger up into the Kremlin and threateningly shaking its fists.
          Looks at the owner from behind the hillock are not allowed to yap, the FAS team was on another wassat
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        4. NKVD
          NKVD 30 November 2017 05: 16 New
          +4
          Why clowns at once? If a person is not satisfied with the current regime, do you consider this a clown? Do you think everyone needs to be rams and silently endure how power rages with fat and people are impoverished?
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 30 November 2017 10: 46 New
            +1
            look at your nickname. clowns broke the union. will break and the Russian Federation. funny clowns.

      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 29 November 2017 21: 33 New
        11
        Existing international courts have long looked at the position of the Americans. Maybe I’ll say stupidity, but no one is stopping Russia from creating an international sports court on its territory. Where can anyone come from any country. States will not recognize his decisions - and to hell with them. And why should we recognize the decisions of their vassals?
        And then - if you look a little further than all these events, then the Olympic movement has degenerated. Honest sports wrestling athletes destroyed the "sports business." Something new is needed. This is the new thing we need to offer, and not always make excuses to explicit cheaters.
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 29 November 2017 21: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: Reserve officer
          And then - if you look a little further than all these events, then the Olympic movement has degenerated. Honest sports wrestling athletes destroyed the "sports business." Something new is needed. This is the new thing we need to offer, and not always make excuses to explicit cheaters.

          I agree with you. If you continue to make excuses continue to sit on your head.
        2. SCHWERIN
          SCHWERIN 29 November 2017 22: 21 New
          +3
          So when our economy takes at least 3 place in the world, the salaries in the country will not be 300USD, but at least 6-8 times more, then we will arrange alternative games, a sports court and maybe even the UN will be in Moscow. And no need for New Vasyuki
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 29 November 2017 23: 07 New
            +3
            Quote: SCHWERIN
            So when our economy takes at least 3 place in the world, the salaries in the country will not be 300USD, but at least 6-8 times more, then we will arrange alternative games, a sports court and maybe even the UN will be in Moscow. And no need for New Vasyuki


            If yes, if only. If you listen, then you need to crawl on all fours in front of the states. Try to voice your thoughts to the athletes. I know these guys well - my wife worked as a coach in the Russian Olympic team in athletics.
            They will immediately explain that honor is not determined by the clothes and the thickness of the wallet.
            By the way, are there any complaints about the organization to the Olympic Games in Sochi?
            1. SCHWERIN
              SCHWERIN 1 December 2017 00: 20 New
              0
              No, on all fours no one needs to crawl. And athletes are hostages of political battles. And the athletes are now not the ones that were in the Union. Run back to the "partners". Do you know the surnames? A racket and a club or a ball work not for the Motherland, but for USD! You have the views of that old life. Unfortunately, it will not be returned.
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 29 November 2017 23: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: SCHWERIN
            That's when our economy will take at least 3 place in the world.

            Maybe I will surprise you, but in terms of industrial production, Russia ranks fourth in the world behind China, the USA and India.
            1. SCHWERIN
              SCHWERIN 1 December 2017 00: 24 New
              0
              Have you been to India? No? So visit, see how people live in this third-place country. Look at the untouchables that families live in cardboard boxes with children on the sidewalks, a beggar girl of 8 years old with children and much more. Watch less on TV.
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 1 December 2017 18: 30 New
                0
                Quote: SCHWERIN
                Have you been to India? No? So visit, see how people live in this third-place country.

                Yes, we are who lives as we do, no matter how they reached third place, it is theirs.
          3. igorka357
            igorka357 30 November 2017 02: 44 New
            +2
            That is, do you want a salary of 150 mowers a month? And what is it that Putin would personally bring it to you? So try to work, or would you all have a freebie? So you are welcome to the north, shift method, salaries from 150 thousand, only here it is necessary to plow, and most importantly .. want to plow, and earn!
            1. Elevator in the building
              Elevator in the building 30 November 2017 08: 28 New
              +2
              Where to you "north", handsome? Most of his life in Yakutia, until he arrived in Bratsk, but only here he began to live and receive normally. But in the same deputy - that there is no light, then heat, then water; No internet, no leisure, no pay, even mobile communications - one name. There and now it is. Do not tell tales of "plowing is necessary" - and plowed like horses, for less than the south, and ate overdue at frantic prices. You don’t “work” in swoops, but try to live there, but save up money for housing in a decent part of Russia, then you’ll spill the nightingale here - “you have to plow” .. Only hucksters and officials live well in the north.
              1. igorka357
                igorka357 1 December 2017 04: 39 New
                0
                I’m not living badly at 254 km from Bratsk, in Ust-Ilimsk, I have been working in the Ilim group you should have known for a very long time, but there weren’t very times, now everything is fine, sn stable ... and so to say not very bad .. so that before writing about the nightingale, take an interest .. And about Yakutia you don’t tell me if you live in the village and work at the post office yes .. you won’t have a salary, and if you break your back at the mine, then there will be sn, and save for housing .. were my friends!
        3. demo
          demo 29 November 2017 23: 39 New
          +3
          Today, sport is money. A lot of money.
          I will not list the whales of the industry starting from socks and ending with boats.
          Billions are being earned in these competitions.
          And the host country of the Olympic Games, if we are friends with the head, we get a lot of things for ourselves and our citizens.
          The entire business is concentrated in the Western Hemisphere.
          And pay attention to an interesting nuance.
          Suppose some official "A" took money from someone. And what is this money? Dollars.
          US jurisdiction allows anyone to be arrested in any country only because the instrument of crime is the unit of account of the United States.
          This is such an unambiguous approach to jurisprudence.
          I offer all officials to take bribes in rubles.
          And then our Central Bank will convert them.
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 29 November 2017 21: 47 New
        +1
        thanks CEP, take a pie from the shelf, otherwise nobody knows!
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 18: 18 New
      +6
      Glory, hello! hi Not only for the elections, there are also winter OIs, the World Cup for football and, finally, just shit in the slippers of Russia! am
      1. mole
        mole 29 November 2017 19: 29 New
        +4
        In order not to crap, one must take the tests themselves. We are conducting competitions, we are investigating samples. And then all sorts of federations, assemblies, commissions, and all crap, and crap for what for our contributions.
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 30 November 2017 09: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Mole
          it is necessary to take the analyzes themselves. We are conducting competitions, we are investigating samples

          Actually, it was. It’s just that Rodchenkov and some other lady came to Lausanne and said that they were replacing the bubbles. Betrayal.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2017 19: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Glory, hello! hi Not only for the elections, there are also winter OIs, the World Cup for football and, finally, just shit in the slippers of Russia! am

        Hello Pasha. hi Specifically, this event, most likely under our 2018 World Cup. Remember, I told you that they will still try to disrupt the World Cup in Russia ... well, then there will be more. Well, in the future, they won’t want to hold the Winter Olympics without us either, or rather they were ordered.
        In general, let’s see how much rubyroid is in Odessa ...
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 29 November 2017 20: 03 New
          23
          Quote: NEXUS
          Specifically, this event, most likely under our 2018 World Cup. Remember, I told you that they will still try to disrupt the World Cup in Russia ..

          It’s imprisoned for the election of the President of Russia Andrei, they will try to disrupt the World Cup under any pretext, the Abomination Rodchenkov is already screaming that the entire Russian national football team, which played in Brazil in 2014, was doping, which will be further request
          I think that this is a dream of the whole country and that Mutko would hang on his right hand with a microphone in his ass, and Chubais on his left with a voucher. hi
          1. poquello
            poquello 29 November 2017 23: 45 New
            +5
            Quote: vovanpain
            Abomination Rodchenkov

            come across - the undeniable and most truthful that there is only a doping list Rodchenkov turned out to be a forecast plan for the medals of the Russian Federation, well, yes, they do not care
          2. SergeBS
            SergeBS 30 November 2017 02: 07 New
            +2

            Quote from vovanpain: "I think this is a dream of the whole country."
            And I have a little bit wrong. Well, what a joy to shove it into the loop. Once - and exhausted. Too humane. But to put in a cage, and to carry around the cities, so that anyone could throw a pebble or poop, and so his whole remaining life - more pleasant. Deserved retribution.
        2. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 20: 26 New
          +3
          Hi buddy Andrey! hi drinks
          Quote: NEXUS
          Specifically, this event, most likely under our 2018 World Cup. Remember, I told you that they will still try to disrupt the World Cup in Russia ... well, then there will be more.

          Yes, of course I remember. These geeks have not yet exhausted the entire arsenal of filth.
          Quote: NEXUS
          Well, in the future, they won’t want to hold the Winter Olympics without us either, or rather they were ordered.

          And they are working hard on this, decent mats are already running out of me ....
          1. poquello
            poquello 29 November 2017 23: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            decent mats are already running out of mine ....

            Well, something like this
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            IOC to always go there
      3. vovanpain
        vovanpain 29 November 2017 19: 39 New
        +7
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        Glory, hello! hi Not only for the elections, there are also winter OIs, the World Cup for football and, finally, just shit in the slippers of Russia! am

        Hello Be Bratko! drinks hi they have spoiled slippers for a long time, even since the formation of Russia as a state. yes According to FIG, evil Russia or good, crap, crap and crap will always stay while we are, it’s worthless that our leaders see all their partners in them, they’ll beat them up already, they express concerns, they’re sorry for the athletes, they’ve been preparing for these competitions for years and they’ve got everything they put the bandwagon on a grand scale, it’s not a sport anymore, it’s a pure policy, but those who praise the stripes here, then lick the striped ass further, they will only give you candy, but they will smear their whole face with shit for that candy. drinks hi
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 20: 35 New
          +6
          Hello to you, brother! hi drinks How zadolbali these offspring of the Aglitz nation and others like them! Moreover, we understand that such a dishonest game on their part is the recognition of their own weakness. But it’s a shame from this for Russia, and for the athletes, and for those who are disappointed in the sport and will no longer lead their little son or daughter to the sports section, deciding "Why? All the same, the medals are taken away from us." Thank you, sailors and their siphons! am Now the main thing is not to give up and continue to bend your line, otherwise these nstrs are just waiting for Russia to give up.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 29 November 2017 20: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            then these nstra are just waiting for Russia to give up

            It’s generally customary for us if, if we go to God, then grab the enemy with us, it’s not possible to understand this with a mattress. hi
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 20: 57 New
              +3
              These minke whales do not understand much at all, for example, that by going to war to Russia one can easily lay down one's head. soldier
          2. poquello
            poquello 30 November 2017 00: 01 New
            +3
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            expect Russia to give up

            stakes are high, America continues to pour in, their closest hope is for Putin to leave, then it will be possible to withdraw the bank, but I still hope the world will crush this overseas tumor
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 30 November 2017 19: 17 New
              +2
              Quote: poquello
              I still hope the world crush this overseas tumor

              You are not alone in your hope. good
              1. poquello
                poquello 30 November 2017 23: 16 New
                +1
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                Quote: poquello
                I still hope the world crush this overseas tumor

                You are not alone in your hope. good

                Duc! I’m here, Pash, I’ve got into economic news - the bourgeoisie is again blown up a bubble, maybe it’s really time to switch to RMB
    3. Sofa General
      Sofa General 29 November 2017 18: 22 New
      +5
      The fact is that Korea’s losses from non-participation of the Russian Federation will be colossal. Who compensates them?
      This is not only the residence of the team, these are the rights to broadcast - but these are completely different grandmas.
      so that the loot will win this time. They will spoil us, up to the ban on performing the anthem - but if our athletes are up to their heads they will sing it.
      1. papas-57
        papas-57 29 November 2017 18: 45 New
        +6
        '' They will tell us shit - up to the ban on performing the HYMN - but if our athletes have a head - they will sing it. '' Will they portray the flag with their eyes? The biggest blow for the capitalists is the lost money. Hence, you need to dance.
      2. Pirogov
        Pirogov 29 November 2017 18: 47 New
        +6
        Quote: Sofa General
        The fact is that Korea’s losses from non-participation of the Russian Federation will be colossal. Who compensates them?
        This is not only the residence of the team, these are the rights to broadcast - but these are completely different grandmas.
        so that the loot will win this time. They will spoil us, up to the ban on performing the anthem - but if our athletes are up to their heads they will sing it.

        What the United States is least concerned about is the loss of profits South. Korea.
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 29 November 2017 19: 23 New
        +9
        Quote: Sofa General
        The fact is that Korea’s losses from non-participation of the Russian Federation will be colossal. Who compensates them?

        The detachment not only does not notice the loss of a fighter, but also reacts “correctly”. The Russian Federation is not the USSR with a social camp that could jointly hold alternative Goodwill Games. One team of the GDR was worth it!
        Quote: Sofa General
        They will spoil us, up to the ban on performing the anthem - but if our athletes are up to their heads they will sing it.

        They will even dance, provided that we are generally allowed at the Olympic Games.
        Our two-seat position just infuriates why football teams from Crimea do not participate in the RPFL?
        Does Hera Gref feel embarrassed to enter Crimea? or is there something else? Sawing loot and participating in world politics are two different things. Understanding that our campaigners are not only not at the level, as negotiators, but will sell the interests of the country not even for silver coins, but simply for loyalty to their Western property, our sworn “partners” are clear as God's day.
        Who put the position wisely? Who appointed Rodchenkov? Sports and athletes are also sold, as indeed we all are and, characteristically, not many disagree with this.
      4. Dead duck
        Dead duck 29 November 2017 19: 30 New
        +7
        Quote: Sofa General
        The fact is that Korea’s losses from non-participation of the Russian Federation will be colossal. Who compensates them?

        who? ... an example is the EEC.
        They spoil themselves in slippers, so that God forbid the Russians "do not get it."
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 30 November 2017 00: 19 New
          +1
          Quote: Deadush
          Quote: Sofa General
          The fact is that Korea’s losses from non-participation of the Russian Federation will be colossal. Who compensates them?

          who? ... an example is the EEC.
          They spoil themselves in slippers, so that God forbid the Russians "do not get it."

      5. poquello
        poquello 30 November 2017 00: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Sofa General
        The fact is that Korea’s losses from non-participation of the Russian Federation will be colossal. Who compensates them?
        This is not only the residence of the team, these are the rights to broadcast - but these are completely different grandmas.
        so that the loot will win this time. Shit shit us - up to the ban on performing the anthem - but if our athletes have a head - they will sing it.

        So did our kind of hardcore turn on, or did Mutko jump on the circles again?
    4. svp67
      svp67 29 November 2017 18: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Black
      Unfortunately, I think that the participation of our guys at the Olympics in Korea under a BIG question .....
      And what, I hope you do not offer to give up?
      1. The black
        The black 29 November 2017 18: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: svp67
        And what, I hope you do not offer to give up?

        Right, hope smile
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 29 November 2017 23: 56 New
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        And what, I hope you do not offer to give up?

    5. roofing hedgehog
      roofing hedgehog 29 November 2017 18: 38 New
      +2
      rather yes, than no. from here - .. and why the heck do we need such an Olympiad, where it is not sport that steers, but p .... ovskie bribes? ..
    6. 210ox
      210ox 29 November 2017 18: 45 New
      +7
      If only these OUR guys, or any of them did not dare to appear under a neutral flag ..
      Quote: Black
      Everything is imprisoned for the election of the President of the Russian Federation ... they will not leave us alone. Unfortunately, I think that the participation of our guys at the Olympics in Korea under a BIG question .....
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 29 November 2017 19: 40 New
        +2
        Let them perform. But at his own expense. Everyone chooses who to serve, there is such a song.
        - "Everyone chooses to serve the devil or the prophet."
    7. Mwg
      Mwg 29 November 2017 18: 55 New
      +3
      It would be right for the Russian Federation to officially refuse to participate in the Olympics in Korea
      1. Alf
        Alf 29 November 2017 19: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: MVG
        It would be right for the Russian Federation to officially refuse to participate in the Olympics in Korea

        And not only to refuse to participate, but also after awarding the winners to start a powerful propaganda campaign under the sign-We did not participate, so your victories are inferior.
        But Putiners will not go for it ..
        And those unfortunate athletes who will be flying the UN flag will be ostracized publicly.
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2017 19: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: MVG
        It would be right for the Russian Federation to officially refuse to participate in the Olympics in Korea

        Of course, it’s good for our couch’s pride ... but only if we begin to refuse to participate in the Olympics, in the World Cup, etc., our athletes (held) who put their lives to become Olympians or world champions, will go at least under the flag of Handuras just to speak. And after a couple of three of our failures, the children will stop going to gyms, because what if the maximum that can be achieved is to win the Russian Championship.
        The issue of upholding the country and in particular our sports organizations, politicians and all who should do this, the interests of our country in relation to our athletes.
        At the same time, I think it would be nice to recall such an event as the Goodwill Games ...
        1. Zheleznostop
          Zheleznostop 29 November 2017 20: 00 New
          +4
          Let them not go to gyms for the sake of a sports career, they will go for health, the main thing is that in VU, the army dragged on.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 30 November 2017 00: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          our athletes (held) who put their lives to become Olympians or world champions, will go to perform even under the flag of Handuras, if only to perform

          The private is more important than the public - this is so in the Western, are you sure that you are Russian?
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 30 November 2017 00: 07 New
            +4
            Quote: KaPToC
            The private is more important than the public - this is so in the Western, are you sure that you are Russian?

            How can this be translated into Ukrainian on the rails of the issue of nationality ... Are you sure that you are Russian?
            For those who do not read carefully, and simply draw obscure conclusions with a smart face ...
            A man devotes his whole life to sports, training, spending most of his time, spending even his health for an hour, so that a smart guy like Kartos would come out and say-
            Quote: KaPToC
            The private is more important than the public - this is so in the western,

            At the same time, without even thinking that professional athletes are not athletes who pull a kettlebell on a balcony at 6 in the morning ... ask yourself a simple question, WHY SOME FOREIGN ATHLETES IN SOCHI PERFORMED UNDER OUR FLAG?
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 30 November 2017 00: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: NEXUS
              WHY SOME FOREIGN ATHLETES IN SOCHI SOCHI PERFORMED UNDER OUR FLAG?

              Let the FSB think about this issue.
              Quote: NEXUS
              How can this be translated into Ukrainian on the rails of the issue of nationality ... Are you sure that you are Russian?

              In answering the question whether I am Russian or not, I am absolutely categorical ... but I won’t tell you.
              Quote: NEXUS
              A man devotes his whole life to sports, training, spending most of his time, spending even his health under an hour, so that

              Winning the competition to earn money from this way far from the sport of ways, for example, acting in commercials.
              Quote: NEXUS
              so that a smart guy like Kartos came out and said-

              And naNrena you such an athlete the country needs?

              Professional sport - pure evil
        3. poquello
          poquello 30 November 2017 00: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          At the same time, I think it would be nice to recall such an event as the Goodwill Games ...

          efficiency is unlikely and short-term, it is necessary to create international new ones without leaving the discredited old structures
    8. Primoos
      Primoos 29 November 2017 18: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: Black
      Everything is imprisoned for the election of the President of the Russian Federation ... they will not leave us alone. Unfortunately, I think that the participation of our guys at the Olympics in Korea under a BIG question .....

      Everything is imprisoned for the humiliation of Russia. Sport as sport ceased to exist. For normal competition it is necessary to mint two sets of awards. One set should immediately be given a pen. To the bottom and let them go home happy, without much stress, but normally we should compete for the second set.
    9. alexmach
      alexmach 29 November 2017 19: 28 New
      +8
      Athletes feel sorry, but pay attention to what harassment they are subjected to their own Western colleagues. That incident with a floating boat, statements by other tenists regarding the disqualification of Sharapova. Here it is sports solidarity and here it is sport outside politics.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 29 November 2017 20: 27 New
        0
        International Sports Court in Lausanne
        Who are the judges?
        1. forty-eighth
          forty-eighth 30 November 2017 10: 08 New
          0
          Kuwait, Slovenia, USA, Russia, Switzerland, Spain, Australia, Egypt, Brazil and many others. Full list here http://www.tas-cas.org/en/icas/members.html
    10. Slovak
      Slovak 29 November 2017 22: 39 New
      0
      America steals and smuggles out citizens of any country if it befits them. Russia SHOULD bring Rodchenkov and hear first-hand the claims.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 30 November 2017 00: 02 New
        0
        Quote: Slovak
        America steals and smuggles out citizens of any country if it befits them. Russia SHOULD bring Rodchenkov and hear first-hand the claims.

        It is necessary to fight with cause and not with consequence.
  2. Going
    Going 29 November 2017 18: 15 New
    +9
    It is necessary to assume that it will be impossible to achieve justice in this court for the simple reason that its panel of judges received a relevant order from well-known initiators of anti-Russian hysteria long ago.


    This is so, but one must sue.
    1. The black
      The black 29 November 2017 18: 20 New
      +8
      Quote: Going
      This is so, but one must sue.

      It is necessary .... although it is useless. True in the west nobody needs. But Rodchenkov’s scum to pack and deliver to Russia for trial would not be bad at all ....
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 November 2017 18: 24 New
        +5
        what for? although it’s time to run the right one in parallel with this process. Yesterday at KONTE I read interesting news: a bill has been submitted to the Duma on the withdrawal of our sports federations from under the euro / world federations. by analogy with the Yankees. then you can definitely spit on them.
      2. Going
        Going 29 November 2017 18: 26 New
        +9
        The time will come, they will give it to us.
        1. Kondratko
          Kondratko 30 November 2017 00: 05 New
          0
          I don’t remember a single similar dive that would have been “returned” to us. It would rather self-hang to exhaust its usefulness to pandoches, thereby creating one more reason to put our country under the door.
      3. Deck
        Deck 29 November 2017 18: 36 New
        +1
        But Rodchenkov’s scum to pack and deliver to Russia for trial would not be bad at all ....


        “Based on interrogations of more than 700 athletes and coaches, Sledkom concluded that Rodchenkov independently distributed drugs among athletes and coaches whose reliable properties were not known to them.“ If there were any violations, they were purely individual in nature ” that if the investigative committee is right and the crazy Rodchenko drank the Duchess cocktail of athletes with dope, then he is a bastard, but the athletes were correctly deprived of medals for drinking this muck. Some garbage turns out.
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 29 November 2017 19: 44 New
          0
          It's not so simple. The athlete is not a doctor. This is the first. The second - the drugs were offered (sold) by the head of RUSADA himself, a government official, and probably claimed that this was not doping and was not included in the list of prohibited drugs.
          Why shouldn't such a big person responsible for the fight against doping believe athletes?
          Surely there were doubters, but Rodchenkov could assure that they could not be worried and the samples would be clean.
          1. SergeBS
            SergeBS 29 November 2017 20: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Ulan
            The second - the drugs were offered (sold) by the head of RUSADA himself, a government official, and probably claimed that this was not doping and was not included in the list of prohibited drugs.

            So you came under the “Eye of Overton”.
            The first lie - Rodchenkov gave out lists of everyone who allegedly got hooked on doping to win - does not roll. There are no facts.
            Now another, more subtle, that Rodchenkov himself drew dopes under the guise of harmless vitamins. Again, no facts.
            In both cases, the general thing is that there is only DONOS (slander), and no facts, except for the words of Rodchenkov, who is already "slightly correcting" his own testimony.
            And from what a binge I Suddenly believe that Rodchenkov slipped doping like vitamins? Especially if you consider that doping is MUCH more expensive than vitamins?
            And in general, who is this Rodchenkov? Why would he believe?
            Just because there are no facts, but there are only his "lists of doping", which are all expanding?
            1. Deck
              Deck 29 November 2017 23: 08 New
              0
              Don't you believe the investigative committee? They say they spread it! And not vitamins, but the Duchesse cocktail based on alcohol (for better absorption) and a number of steroid drugs. With this cocktail you had to rinse your mouth and spit it out for several minutes. Do you think athletes do not know the taste of alcohol. He was professionally involved in sports (though for a long time), but he did not see the teetotalers. Maybe now everything has changed?
              1. SergeBS
                SergeBS 29 November 2017 23: 36 New
                0
                Yes, I believe, I believe. Only this is all “childish”. Athletes said: "what Rodchenkov gave, then accepted." And Rodchenkov said: "I drew them DOPING." Where is the evidence base? What exactly did DOPING push in? And netuti. Only the words of Mr. Rodchenkov bought with the giblets (NOT Mr.!)
                And that "all medicines for alcohol" - any physician easily sucks in for you. And sho? Do athletes "taste" dope from NOT doping? laughing
                1. Deck
                  Deck 30 November 2017 12: 36 New
                  0
                  Athletes are like children. What they take in their hands - they drag everything in their mouths! laughing
      4. yashka12007
        yashka12007 29 November 2017 19: 28 New
        +4
        Our state should ignore the costs of killing traitors no matter whose hands. The inevitability of punishment. Then maybe there will be less traitors who want to live the rest of their lives writing in fear at every rustle.
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 18: 22 New
      +5
      Victor, good evening! hi Yes, it is necessary, even knowing that nothing shines. You can’t give up, otherwise it’s completely cut through (although much more?). negative
      1. Going
        Going 29 November 2017 18: 25 New
        +8
        Good evening Pasha! hi , there will remain court decisions and their arguments, time will pass all this will come back to him.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 18: 28 New
          +4
          Just for that, and I hope that over time, everything they deserve will be taken off by leach. They made a circus tent out of sport, putting up the mattress! am
          1. Going
            Going 29 November 2017 18: 34 New
            +7
            Sport has long been a big business and dirty politics, unfortunately.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 18: 38 New
              +3
              But the mattresses have surpassed everything that was before, the stinkers are smelly!
              1. Going
                Going 29 November 2017 20: 59 New
                +7
                They hold all the threads in their hands and do not let anyone into this kitchen.
    3. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 29 November 2017 18: 48 New
      0
      I quote: It is, but it is necessary to sue. The question is, why, if the result is predictable?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 29 November 2017 19: 31 New
        +2
        The truth must be fought to the end, but I just care about the question: what will happen to the athletes who refused to return the awards? They will not be removed from the raging competition for disobedience? Or have everyone already been removed?
        1. Going
          Going 29 November 2017 21: 52 New
          +8
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          I quote: It is, but it is necessary to sue. The question is, why, if the result is predictable?


          Do you want to go with the flow?
  3. newcomer
    newcomer 29 November 2017 18: 16 New
    12
    it's time for us to establish the World Goodwill Games.
    1. Going
      Going 29 November 2017 18: 26 New
      +9
      Quote: newbie
      it's time for us to establish the World Goodwill Games.


      Everything goes to that.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 November 2017 18: 30 New
        +3
        if I’m not mistaken, only six teams have been suspended for athletics. here is the initial detachment of pioneers.
        1. Going
          Going 29 November 2017 18: 35 New
          +8
          A lot of fun awaits us, they only accelerate.
    2. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 18: 29 New
      +3
      Garik, hi! hi Everything is moving towards this. With these scandals, the IOC is making a bad publicity for itself.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 November 2017 18: 34 New
        +2
        Do you remember how we were indignant at the lethargy of our ministry’s position? So, sportprofi have already written an open letter with indignation about the sluggish mow in defense of our champions. it was time already, at the very beginning, to begin all these organizational steps. hello my friend.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 18: 39 New
          +3
          I'm tired of the mattress mess, wherever you look - everywhere the mattresses stuck their filthy sting ...
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 29 November 2017 18: 43 New
            +2
            alas and ah, Pasha. it’s time to switch from therapeutic procedures to surgical measures.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 29 November 2017 19: 10 New
              +3
              I totally agree with you, man. Yes, those in power are in no hurry ...
              1. Going
                Going 29 November 2017 21: 01 New
                +8
                Quote: newbie
                alas and ah, Pasha. it’s time to switch from therapeutic procedures to surgical measures.


                "We will cut," unfortunately, "there is no other way."
    3. alexmach
      alexmach 29 November 2017 19: 34 New
      +2
      The question is, who will support these initiatives then? The Soviet Union with a bunch of satellite countries could afford to hold an alternative Olympics, but what about modern Russia? Who will not go these games? Who will go there instead of the Olympics?
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 November 2017 20: 09 New
        +2
        The thing is different. Of course, the first competition will be somewhat inferior in level. but. it is necessary to arrange a grandiose presentation of the discovery (since the Yankees have something to learn). Most importantly, the prize must be equal to the Olympic. Yes, and there will be fewer questions, given that many teams are either suspended or truncated in one way or another. and no one bothers to duplicate their participation in two games. far from the fact that the removed teams were not clean, so this question can be closed.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 29 November 2017 21: 43 New
          +2
          1. It’s not a matter of discovery or prize. The main value of the Olympic Games is not in this but in the wide participation of athletes from around the world.

          and no one bothers to duplicate their participation in two games

          I mean no one bothers? what nonsense. Schedule of a professional athlete scheduled for years ahead and tied to the calendar of competitions. They have all kinds of preparation and recovery cycles there. Between the Olympic Games, World Championships and other sporting events. Most likely, in order to take part in new competitions, it will be necessary to adjust the training cycle for them, and it is even possible to sacrifice some other competitions. And why sacrifice world-class competitions, where you can compete with the best in the world for the sake of competitions with dubious representativeness.

          In short - my opinion is not to pull such competitions in Russia. If you want an example, here are the alternative competitions to the steam olympiad. Did anyone besides the Russian Paralympics visit them? Well.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 29 November 2017 21: 55 New
            +1
            in short, I read your nonsense to the place of the schedule description, I realized: one more “reader”. for the gifted: to participate in both Games is not the same athlete, but a team from the country. Well, your comparison with attendance at the Paralympic Games is simply immoral. those people were given the opportunity to show what they had been preparing for years, to chew on your opinion about attendance. “Reader,” I repeat once again, naturally the first Games will be inferior in scope, but this is the beginning. and you don’t put that untwisted to the limit of the Game, so watch your Olympiad.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 29 November 2017 22: 58 New
              +2
              Reader? You type claim the title of Olympian or what?

              to participate in both Games is not the same athlete, but a team from the country.

              So what? Where in this situation will a stronger team go? And can each country immediately present 2 professional teams?

              and you ain yes put untwisted to the limit of the Game

              I’m writing about what to take out and put something commensurate with the Olympics, or at least the Soviet “Goodwill Games” will fail.

              realized: another “reader”

              Well, good luck to you writer. As they say write more.
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 29 November 2017 23: 21 New
                +2
                Well, catch, I write. let’s go through the course again, everything great begins with small. without starting today, tomorrow we will not reach our heights of yesterday. we’ll have to sit and wait until they have mercy on us: they won’t take out the flag, ban the anthem, or even enter under the “rings”, as Ivan Ivanovich, this is your peak of dreams! and it’s not a fact that they won’t even take away the victory “under the rings,” a month later. in general I am surprised at the flawed thinking of your kind: if there is, there is no money. and when they start kicking the country, then you yell: “why?” but because, Mr. Ministry of Sports, they didn’t snap on time. Yes, because they didn’t do anything when the Deutsche journalist threw our journalist out of the entrance. Yes, because people like you don’t need either foreign policy of the state war, diplomatic war, or world sport, like that pig from a fable: if you just lie under an oak and swallow acorns, not realizing that you are killing a tree by undermining the roots. and I'm not a writer, I'm a chess player, participated in several tournaments. I don’t have to “heal” about sports.
                1. SergeBS
                  SergeBS 30 November 2017 01: 12 New
                  +2
                  "I’ll hurt you like that."
                  And it’s quite simple: Switzerland is an empty place in the Olympic Games. How did it bother her?
                  Well, the country is small.
                  What about the PRC? And the place of China in the OI? Shaw, the PRC is greatly hindered by the fact that the Chinese are "on the sidelines" in the Olympic Games?
                  Successful participation of the country in OI is just an ideology, which is a superstructure over the economy. An economically successful country doesn’t care about OI medals, it’s not bad at all. No, if Suddenly he has a medal (like Iceland), he will be glad. But even without them it is quite possible to live.
                  Hence, by the way, morality - all athletes - namely pigs under an oak tree. They spit on the economy, if only acorns (medals of the Olympic Games, or just bablosiks, like our footballers) were.
                  Athletes do not produce ANY material assets, they SERVE the need for adrenaline for fans, the need for glory of the country “around” for politicians. If suddenly all professional athletes die out, then all that happens is the increasing popularity of all kinds of cockfights, bullfights, cockroach races, etc.
                  What are athletes, what are artists, what are singers, etc. - SERVICE! Not producing any material values, but simply satisfying the need for spectacles. Elite service staff is VERY expensively paid, but this does not stop being a service staff. In the Middle Ages, you would have died of starvation, dear, because there were not enough resources for the service staff, due to the weak development of the economy. For instance.
                  So play further, most precious, in your chess at a super-high level, but do not forget - it’s not you who feed the population with chess, but the population that feeds you in order to gawk at the high-paying (highly qualified) chess player. Accordingly, the economy and politics, as well as the last stage of politics - the war, you do not define from the word at all.
                  Well, chess will end (how gladiatorial battles ended) - there is still something to take a look at. On the same cockroach races, for example, or the battle of aquarium fish. By the way, chess is already ending. Deep Blue defeated Kasparov. winked In 10-15 years, the PC will defeat any human chess player, as now any ICE by traction defeats a horse.
                  Politics, by the way, is also a superstructure over the economy. VERY important, more important than sports of high achievements, but a superstructure.
                  Think further why Chinese journalists are not kicked out (for example), etc.
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                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 30 November 2017 09: 36 New
                      +1
                      Quote: newbie
                      But what is more important for you than the economy?

                      Demography is more important than economics.
                      Quote: newbie
                      do not you think that the economy is an obstruction

                      And you try not to buy food, to grow it yourself, to wear only home-made, not store-bought clothes, to live in your own hand-made house from hand-molded bricks, you will immediately understand "hu hu".
    4. Orang
      Orang 29 November 2017 20: 45 New
      0
      Money wazoo? Why do we need these under-games? In the 2014 Olympic Games and the 2018 World Cup, they pinched funds as a breakthrough, and this is also.
      1. newcomer
        newcomer 29 November 2017 21: 10 New
        +1
        you probably don’t need it. but once asked, I will answer. You don’t have to be a sponsor, as the Yankees do; no need to inflate bureaucracy staff around games; most importantly, the finished site is already there.
        1. Orang
          Orang 29 November 2017 21: 27 New
          +2
          decide: either you don’t need to be a sponsor, or the Olympic prize and grand opening, otherwise it does not fit together. And the opportunity to once again cut the money allocated to the sport, our embezzlers will be glad unspeakably.
          at OI-2018, hammer a hefty bolt, do not give money to the IOC with the hangers-on, that's all, she died, she died. Now Russia, it seems, is not able to give an adequate answer to these machinations, except for complete indifference. We will survive easily.
          1. newcomer
            newcomer 29 November 2017 21: 41 New
            +1
            so it’s you who will decide: you don’t need the Games at all, or which ones are not needed. Do you read the comments of your discusants, or sculpt from a fanar? written a little higher, to get out of control of all non-Russian federations, the first penny went. non-payment of the IOC (if it is not too late), the second penny. recruit all Games service staff to a minimum need. and how can our Olympians be, if, as you say, do we need “under-games”? since you are talking about money, then push it. forget all the resources spent on athletes and score? (I’m silent about the moral and affirmative component for athletes, you are talking about money). and most importantly: there is an Olympic venue.
            1. Orang
              Orang 29 November 2017 22: 00 New
              +3
              Athletes, athletes sho survive. Sports pros are useless for society now. And then the ball kickers financing, and conditional boy Vasya funds SMSkami collected for treatment. And who will come to your under-games? The USSR could collect half the world, and the Russian Federation whom, with whom to compete? Especially in winter species. You want to prove everything to someone, so collect money via sms, and not from the budget.
              1. newcomer
                newcomer 29 November 2017 22: 11 New
                +1
                Listen, what kind of pearls are: “Profi athletes are useless for society”? and who determines utility, you? you list all the “useless” outstanding athletes, or you yourself understand what nonsense debated? I was generally touched by the passage about “futility for society.” well, in short, you understood who I called you and where I sent you.
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                2. Orang
                  Orang 29 November 2017 22: 27 New
                  0
                  Quote: newbie
                  well, in short, you understood who I called you and where I sent you.

                  By whom and where? Come on, don't be shy.
                  1. newcomer
                    newcomer 29 November 2017 22: 32 New
                    +1
                    Come on, you are a child guardian what to reduce to a minimum sick boys Vasya and similar games are held. and your frankly fascist remarks do not contribute to Vasya’s recovery, not at all. therefore he went away, I despise the fascists.
                    1. Orang
                      Orang 29 November 2017 22: 45 New
                      0
                      Quote: newbie
                      what to reduce to a minimum sick boys Vasya

                      Is this a professional sport crippling people?
                      There, by the way, the forum administration will send me there, it will have a need for it, but certainly not a funny keyboard antifascist. Bye Bye.
                      1. newcomer
                        newcomer 29 November 2017 23: 00 New
                        +2
                        no, propaganda of physical education. if you really knew how funny I am, you would have forgotten to laugh.
                    2. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 30 November 2017 00: 11 New
                      +3
                      Quote: newbie
                      Come on, you are the guardian of children. what to reduce to a minimum sick boys Vasya and similar games are held

                      What an impudent deception. After several years of your career, this professional athlete of yours will lie next to the boy Vasya in the clinic and will receive full maintenance until the end of his life, although he has done nothing for the country.
                3. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 30 November 2017 00: 08 New
                  +3
                  Quote: newbie
                  list all “worthless” outstanding athletes

                  List at the same time the list of their USEFUL achievements, at least the first ones in the list.
                  Quote: newbie
                  Listen, what kind of pearls are: “Profi athletes are useless for society”?

                  Exactly so, professional sports has long moved from the category of “sports” to the category of “entertainment industry”, its part, and the usefulness for our country is no more than the usefulness of Eurovision.
                  Amateur sports are useful, but they killed him when they allowed the professionals to the Olympics.
                  1. SergeBS
                    SergeBS 30 November 2017 01: 27 New
                    +2
                    drinks
                    Very "highly intelligent" professional athletes (like singers, artists and other humanities) "forget a little" that they do not feed people, but people.
                    1. newcomer
                      newcomer 30 November 2017 08: 47 New
                      +1
                      yes you are generally confused, “breadwinners”, damn it. professional sport has nothing to do with Olympus at all. to games. secondly, you and your singers and dancers are sick of you, do you even know how the olympic movement began and where did the athletes come from? breadwinners, damn it, but you with this approach, generally drive the country into a primitive system, but here's the trouble, even there you are the “breadwinners” of the empty-tongued people who were fed by athletes.
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 30 November 2017 09: 21 New
                        +2
                        Quote: newbie
                        even there, it’s the athletes who fed you the “breadwinners” of the empty language.

                        Do not confuse athletes and professional athletes, these are not synonyms, but you do not confuse, you deliberately lie.
                      2. SergeBS
                        SergeBS 1 December 2017 21: 02 New
                        +2
                        Quote: newbie
                        yes you are with this approach, generally drive the country into a primitive system,

                        Dear child, professional athletes do not determine the country's economy, from the word at all.
                        To make it easier for you: I personally am an IT-person, I provide 100+ users with work. But they fulfill their duties, and I just ensure their execution at the IT level. I am a servant. As a cleaner who does not allow srach in the offices to arrange.
  4. BLADFROST
    BLADFROST 29 November 2017 18: 22 New
    0
    Why do we have to climb into the country that hundreds of cocked nuclear missiles are aimed at !!! ???
    1. Going
      Going 29 November 2017 18: 28 New
      +9
      It’s you, my friend, that got excited, our presence will cool our heads, and they don’t have so many rockets, ordinary weapons will work there.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2017 18: 34 New
        +1
        It may work just during the Olympics - but we will not be there.
        1. yashka12007
          yashka12007 29 November 2017 19: 35 New
          +2
          If we are not there, then the Olympics should not be there. And in this we should help our friend Kim or the enemy Traml.
          1. Going
            Going 29 November 2017 21: 55 New
            +7
            You certainly wrapped it up coolly, but there is something in it, you can go on the other side, we can offer to replay the Olympics in Sochi until there passions settle down, how do you?
            1. SergeBS
              SergeBS 29 November 2017 22: 40 New
              +3
              Quote: Going
              we can offer to replay the Olympics in Sochi,

              This is called defense. And there is a war. Its defense does not win. It’s more efficient to buy the same as Rodchenkov in WADA and now this Rodchenkov-2 will sing about doping from Americans and others, about replacing tubes in WADA. With clean hands you won’t win against a sharpie. Either a candelabrum in the face, or "cheating."
  5. 1331M
    1331M 29 November 2017 18: 27 New
    +4
    And what, they won’t give away the medals themselves, they’ll hang on the wall further, and the results have already been canceled in the protocols. Let’s better learn how to take doping, so that they don’t catch. All catch is normal for a long time (dope, in the sense, take in big sport, remember the "successes" of the GDR), only ours most often come across as small children.
  6. svp67
    svp67 29 November 2017 18: 28 New
    +5
    Russian athletes, whose participation in the Sochi Olympics were canceled by the IOC, refused to comply with the requirements of the Olympic Committee.
    Well, CORRECTLY. Even if this becomes one of the reasons for our non-admission, then I support these of our CHAMPIONS.
  7. DPN
    DPN 29 November 2017 18: 30 New
    +3
    We must ask the DPRK to conduct the exercise this time, if ours does not go and hell of dreams in this case, but to act under someone else's flag is not to respect the country.
    Probably a contribution for participation in the Olympiad, it is necessary to give athletes for results equal to the results of the Olympiad, so that it would not be offensive for POWER
    As for the medals, the hole from the donut to the IOCU.
  8. Esoteric
    Esoteric 29 November 2017 18: 31 New
    +1
    It's time to put ultimatums. Either these IOCs and VADs provide evidence on the basis of which all these accusations occur, or Russia needs to consider participating in such games. Just don't take part. Organize competitions in the country and show better results than the "Olympic champions".
    There are power tools, using which you can turn the earth’s rotation in such a way that it won’t seem enough. Through Antarctica they will travel to Europe. Withdraw all assets from the United States and drive them all along with the fifth column ...
  9. Awaz
    Awaz 29 November 2017 18: 34 New
    +3
    In this situation, I had the following thought: it seems to me that the United States has already distributed all the medals at the upcoming Korean Olympics. In any case, everything is already promised to its own. Whoever suddenly takes not what is left of them will be convicted of all mortal sins.
  10. magadan72
    magadan72 29 November 2017 18: 37 New
    +1
    I don’t understand one thing !!! Why Russia is not suing in court!? HONOR AND DIGNITY !!! The country and its citizens!? To sue the IOC and others. It is banal for money. Bankrupt them ...
    1. mikh-korsakov
      mikh-korsakov 29 November 2017 18: 51 New
      +1
      They do not sue, because who are the judges? All the same corrupt creatures.
  11. Awaz
    Awaz 29 November 2017 18: 40 New
    +2
    The head of the USADA American Anti-Doping Agency, Travis Tigart, said that the presence of positive doping tests is not proof of the athlete's guilt in the current conditions, especially if they are US citizens.
  12. vanavatny
    vanavatny 29 November 2017 18: 43 New
    +5
    in our country we are used to paying a price, and any, 26 million did not return, I am silent about collectivization, troubled times and anything ... What am I talking about? oh yes, I understand that athletes all their lives went to their goal, lived this and only that, I didn’t plan to go into civilian life either, Yekaterina Zelenko didn’t dream of ramming what kind of crap it would be: someone would go and someone would not .. ... maybe she’s at x, such an Olympiad? Do the athletes not want to take and refuse to participate? for the sake of friends whom they slandered and humiliated? Those whom they still graciously let out, it seems like they will protect the flag? a miserable sight of a handful of humiliated Olympians amid a bunch of sports functionaries? we like to talk about unity, patriotism, flash mobs, hashtags .. and let's send everyone ON ...
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 29 November 2017 18: 58 New
      +1
      and also: by doing this they would immortalize their names, it would be better if the videoconferencing system would show the whole world who we are, and the educational effect inside the country ... and this is just selfishness, amid conversations, well, wise and others, oh I don’t want to get a ban ... am
    2. Cossack 471
      Cossack 471 29 November 2017 21: 00 New
      +3
      Vanya Unfortunately, as always, little depends on us. Not we appoint ministers. which do not distinguish between volts and watts. The same Mutko, when they had already begun to press for doping, said “yes let them prove” and did not ask to resign. And where is that person. who was appointed by Rodchenkova or who appointed the colonel who stole 8 billion rubles? Total impunity and complete irresponsibility. therefore, the people of Stalin and dreams
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny 30 November 2017 00: 10 New
        +2
        yes demon with her, with this politeness and politician-official deputies, everything is fine on their planet, which is confirmed by papers, with reference to another mukulatura, I’m talking about the rest, these people who passed the genesis, from rags to riches, decided to call us the population. So are we a population or where? Is this bestiality satisfied with us? Are athletes not a part of us? Are we this or who? I don’t understand what’s happening, we’ll ... what, after 91 all were born? I see it this way: POWER prepared the best of her best sons and daughters, prepared so that by the power of their mind and body they made them tricolor to the sounds of the anthem, this is important , it’s really important, only mass sport is more important than this, and by the way, what does the football world cup have to do with it, I don’t know, the Power is in a state of confrontation. Those responsible for this direction crap. With the help of the purulent mouths of their slander the best sons and daughters of the State do not allow any squalor from the wada to the threshold of the largest contest on the planet, with outright mockery instead of evidence. The best athletes of my country are divided at their whim into grades of some sort of purulent insignificance. How can we go there? Well, how? In order to eerily flag flags raised by the forces of those whom they agreed to consider people? So that during the whole Olympiad we would never pee past banks and get an honorary donor badge? Our flag is already blowing its nose, you need to consider and prepare for new fights. He came with a girl to a restaurant, and the doorman said: she’s a whore, I won’t let him go, and I’ll eat hell with her, I’ve always dreamed of being here. There is nothing for us to do there and I am sorry that the athletes think differently PS: but the homeland of my childhood once sent this Olympiad to x ...
  13. Makarov
    Makarov 29 November 2017 18: 43 New
    0
    “It is to be assumed that justice in this court will not be possible for the simple reason that his panel of judges has long received a relevant order from prominent initiators of anti-Russian hysteria.” - I would like to know the facts on this statement on the basis of which it really should be assumed ...
  14. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 November 2017 18: 58 New
    +1
    It is necessary, regardless of who becomes the world football champion, to be awarded the title of world champion of the Russian national team!
  15. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 29 November 2017 19: 00 New
    0
    And why does the whole world so dislike us? Just for the fact of our existence? And why does everyone support our enemies, if we have nothing to ourselves, are we standing for the truth? Why did almost all our former friends famously forge themselves into enemies or, at best, partners who look askance at us? I would like very much to have the strength to withstand this confrontation with the whole world, to prove my innocence, to defend my values ​​and worldview, to survive until the collapse of the liberal-fagot and juvenile system, when conscience will rule, and not the legal code. Victory must be ours!
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 30 November 2017 00: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail M
      And why does the whole world so dislike us? Just for the fact of our existence?

      Quote: Mikhail M
      And why does everyone support our enemies, if we have nothing to ourselves, are we standing for the truth?

      The weak are afraid of the strong and aggressive, but not all bend under the Americans. Are you sure that we need friendship and all kinds of love ... loshar?
  16. ARES623
    ARES623 29 November 2017 19: 06 New
    +1
    In fact, in normal rational communities, an entity can lose something only on the basis of a court decision drawn up as a result of a comprehensive objective investigation. The court must be legitimate, i.e. his right to make decisions must be recognized by all parties to the process. In this case, the IOC gives awards and titles, then takes it away after a while. And recently, more and more often. And without a clear explanation of their actions. If the competition rules can still be read and the champion’s result can be clearly seen, then the reasons for the withdrawal of the awarded title are covered in complete darkness and slurred explanation, such as "the participants in the competitions were not found guilty, but they were not released from punishment ..." In all civilized countries that recognize the rights a person has a presumption of innocence, in which all doubts are interpreted in favor of the accused. In the IOC, obviously, primeval primeval - who is with the "club", i.e. with money and gold, that and the winner. But rather, the IOC, dependent on US money, simply broadcasts the installation of the United States and has no opinion. And those (USA), in turn, have long spit on all "rights", "justice", "biblical truths" and "European values" of any kind. And they will behave this way in all spheres of human relations, until someone presses their frontal bone with a club. No other is given.
  17. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 29 November 2017 19: 26 New
    +4
    Declare the IOC claims biased and politicized, and the IOC itself lose trust. Do not return any medals, send all hangers-on to ... mother. Spend your parallel games, and the results are better than at the office. To mark the Olympiad with medals, marked on the reverse side that the IOC this year is a biased, politicized office that has nothing to do with sports. Medals are cast from real precious alloys, without any coatings.
  18. kefan
    kefan 29 November 2017 19: 39 New
    0
    That's right, they did it, our athletes won medals with honest work, but the bastards who are in the IOC just dance to the mattress' tune.
  19. Sergey53
    Sergey53 29 November 2017 19: 43 New
    0
    Now, at any time, if necessary, they will select medals from our athletes. There is a precedent, our swallowed. You don’t even have to prove anything. Accused and all.
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  21. bk316
    bk316 29 November 2017 19: 47 New
    +4
    Yes, everything is correct and Retrov and Cherny wrote.
    On my own behalf, I will say that the Americans, as always, went to bed: they aimed at Russia and got into Olympic sports.
    We all know
    - what Russia won
    - that our athletes are well done
    - that medals are now handed out for political reasons
    What follows from this, and the fact that such a sport is simply not of interest to any of us, which means RUSSIA IS THE LAST WINNER IN THE OLYMPIC GAMES. Now, even if the United States wins honestly (and now you can prove it), this one is not interested.
  22. a.sirin
    a.sirin 29 November 2017 20: 02 New
    +2
    Already wrote, I repeat:
    "... Russia in the last twenty years has been performing worse and worse at the Winter Olympics: from 11 gold medals in 1994 in Lillehammer we dropped to 8 in 2006 in Turin and 3 in 2010 in Vancouver. Against this background, 13 Sochi's gold medals looked like 146,47% of the voter turnout required in the Rostov region to embellish the results of United Russia in the 2011 elections. The same thing was true for the overall standings: 22 medals in Turin, 15 in Vancouver and 33 in Sochi Deviation from the average number of gold medals scored by the Russian team at the previous five Winter Games, Sochi was 80%, while the average number of different medals - 81% Against these figures all the arguments that "the house and walls help" is meaningless unless it is a wall with holes to substitute urine samples...
    However, something else is interesting - and here I really want to recall the “double standards” in all their glory. To do this, it is worth seeing if there have been similar unique records in history - and, most importantly, at home competitions. And it turns out that you do not need to go far for examples. In 2008, our older brothers from their native country, all the Kremlin leaders in China, did something very similar. Having 5 gold medals at the Summer Games in Seoul in 1988 and 28 in Sydney in 2000, narrow-eyed athletes collected 51 awards of the highest standard at home: the deviation from the average for the previous five Games was not our miserable 80%, but already 162,2% (97,3% of the total number of awards). Moreover: in this case, the further result is clearly visible: for the Rio Games, the Chinese team's indicators returned to normal: 26 gold medals - less than in Athens and even in Sydney. It is understandable: Comrade X is almost a new "Great Helmsman", you can’t spend too much on doping ...
    But where, I want to ask, are the most important ladies and gentlemen from the IOC? Why is there no commission of any Lord McDuck who would figure out who and how was involved in providing such incredible results? Or is it politically incorrect to bother the main trade and economic partner of the developed world on such a minor issue? But then there may be offended Russian officials and politicians - well, at least the same principled Vitaliy Mutko - hinted to the leaders of the Olympic movement that any laws and rules, in order to be considered laws and rules, should be applied to everyone without exception? Or, well, it was not at all appropriate for us to do this, so that our Eastern colleagues would not withdraw the prepayments transferred by Rosneft and refuse to buy gas that we were going to supply them with the Power of Siberia? Well then, I think, it’s not worth crying about the former Sochi and upcoming Pyeongchang failures. You must either play fair or be economically strong enough so that the rules do not concern you. The third is not given - at least, that’s what the results of the Sochi Olympics teach us. It’s far from final yet, as it seems to me - unlike the results of Beijing ... "
    So, it seems to me that doping took place
    1. just exp
      just exp 29 November 2017 20: 32 New
      +4
      even if it did, why are only Russians punished for this?
      otherwise I’ll remind you that Sharapova was expelled because she was taking meldonium as prescribed by her doctor. and she’s like a criminal, but Serena Williams, not a damn thing, because the amphetamine that was found in her blood was prescribed to her by a doctor.
      therefore, if something is forbidden (by the way, when the doctor prescribed her meldonium it was not forbidden), the doctor wrote to the Russians, then this is a crime, and if the doctor prescribed something forbidden to the Americans, then this is treatment.
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 29 November 2017 22: 02 New
        +2
        Write nonsense. Westerners are punished just as often and severely. There are simply serious reasons to believe that in the Russian Federation this business was resolved at a high level. Read what I wrote - any normal person doubts
        1. SergeBS
          SergeBS 29 November 2017 23: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: a.sirin
          Write nonsense. Westerners are punished just as often and severely.

          Oh no. With the same meldonium, some Yankees came across, and "otmazatsya" - the doctor prescribed it to him, otherwise the athlete will die. And he’s not the only one with an excuse - “I’m sick, I take medications (DOPING!) As prescribed by the doctor. And therefore I’m innocent. And THEY are healthy, they took the same thing - it means they are guilty.”
          1. a.sirin
            a.sirin 30 November 2017 20: 00 New
            +1
            Again nonsense. Read how many Americans are suspended and disqualified. But in fact - look at the statistics of “victories” at various Olympiads, which I cited. In fact - have something to say?
        2. poquello
          poquello 30 November 2017 23: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: a.sirin
          Write nonsense. Westerners are punished just as often and severely.

          so what with the williams brothers then?
      2. Sergey53
        Sergey53 30 November 2017 13: 13 New
        0
        They accept all the same thing only under a different name. But in the USA they insure themselves by creating some kind of law which states that it can be accepted and is not a dope. That's all. Or, in advance, they give certificates to the athletes for permission to use something as if for the treatment of something.
    2. gorsten79
      gorsten79 29 November 2017 22: 11 New
      0
      But why, they took away three gold from the Chinese. And about the results, they really prepared long before the Olympics. For example, they took and rejuvenated the sports team for a long time. gymnastics. To the detriment of the results at the Olympic Games in Athens. one shooter, although he could continue to perform in Athens, was asked to type home-enthusiasm. I'm sure that they used doping in Beijing. But besides this, they have a human, political, sports resource. If Russia took doping in Sochi. Why didn’t tear everyone in ice skating, skiing. Biathlon where it is really important. Bobsleigh is more important than the home track as in skeleton. So if we take someone with super results as an example, this is Great Britain .! 984,88,92,96-in 10 did not enter. And here WADA on painted (created) I-2000-10 place 11 ev, 2004-10 place 9 ev, 2008-4 place 19 gold, 2012 (London) -3 place 29 ev, 2016-2 place 27 gold. Moreover, in those forms where doping is important - cycling. Rowing, etc. That's where the state doping program. But someone will rummage. I agree Russia is not the USSR with the GDR. And in the IOC, we (the socialist camp and friends) had an influence. They conducted an alternative, not the Goodwill Games, but Friendship-84. At the Goodwill Games, the USA and the USSR were mainly competing. Even the GDR was not very interesting. We correctly cited the example of our sport until 1952. And by the way the World Cup in football we tied our hands. That does not negate the likelihood that they will be taken away. By the way, the Chinese will not rock the boat for the same reason, they have the next Winter Olympics. These are not funny things.
    3. SergeBS
      SergeBS 29 November 2017 22: 53 New
      0
      Quote: a.sirin
      So, it seems to me that doping took place

      But it seems to me that in the 199X there was no time for big sport. There was nothing to eat! But later - the money for big sport appeared in the Russian Federation (we will not be hypocritical, without state investments big sport is a corpse, the equipment is very expensive), and the athletes found themselves. The periodical coincides. A new wave came up, after Mishka-labeled and EBNa pumped up skills. It’s like in armament - it takes about 10 years to “reach the level”. For 3-5 years from scratch you can’t even make a decent tank - there’s not enough technology. In sports - the same.
    4. AID.S
      AID.S 29 November 2017 23: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: a.sirin
      "... Russia in the last twenty years has been performing worse and worse at the Winter Olympics: from 11 gold medals in 1994 in Lillehammer we dropped to 8 in 2006 in Turin and 3 in 2010 in Vancouver. Against this background, 13 gold medals in Sochi

      Subtract 5 gold medals from the naturalized Vika and Ana, but three in figure skating and there are only five left. Which almost matches the result in Vancouver. Still. In Vancouver, Canadians won 14 gold overall. Doping and drugs definitely took place. If the statistics (oh my God, how is it about her ...) and your logical conclusions do not lie.
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 30 November 2017 20: 02 New
        +1
        What does "definitely have taken place" mean? Someone caught on samples?
        1. AID.S
          AID.S 1 December 2017 23: 40 New
          0
          Quote: a.sirin
          What does "definitely have taken place" mean? Someone caught on samples?

          Quote: a.sirin
          So, it seems to me that doping took place

          This is what it means. No evidence. That seems to be all. Because.
    5. KaPToC
      KaPToC 30 November 2017 00: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: a.sirin
      Against these numbers, all the arguments that “houses and walls help” are meaningless.

      Everything is much simpler, Russia did not allow drugs and doping to be imported, as a result, all Americans and their hangers-on had to compete fairly (as much as possible).
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 30 November 2017 01: 51 New
        +2
        Well you bastard! He revealed the MAIN reason why in the Russian Federation it is impossible to hold either the World Cup or the Olympics. drinks
  23. intuzazist
    intuzazist 29 November 2017 20: 19 New
    +1
    Quote: s-t Petrov
    US revenge will begin when local clowns begin to collect Maidan.

    Then from Siberia to the capital will go "friendship trains in Russia" !!! Believe me, there are so many willing people! Maydanuti Muscovites insert brains in place! If the Russian Guard does not cope .........
    1. Kleber
      Kleber 29 November 2017 20: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: intuzazist
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      US revenge will begin when local clowns begin to collect Maidan.

      Then from Siberia to the capital will go "friendship trains in Russia" !!! Believe me, there are so many willing people! Maydanuti Muscovites insert brains in place! If the Rosguard fails.........


      Why are you doubting our cosmonauts with batons? In vain)))))))
  24. Ural resident
    Ural resident 29 November 2017 20: 25 New
    0
    Here is a class action that our officials should have directed - not lone athletes.
    They fight for their rights themselves, where is our powerful Mutkovskaya support wall?
  25. MadCat
    MadCat 29 November 2017 20: 59 New
    0
    Russian athletes, whose participation in the Sochi Olympics were canceled by the IOC, refused to comply with the requirements of the Olympic Committee

    and they will create their own Olympics with blackjack and ..., well, so that they immediately rush in and set records without leaving the box office. And then all sorts of analyzes there are just forbidden to have fun. wassat
  26. Peaceful Basmach
    Peaceful Basmach 29 November 2017 21: 07 New
    -1
    Spit on the IOC, and on the whole Olympic economy with vada together and create your own, separate, Olympic movement with its allies. Others will catch up.
    1. Machete
      Machete 29 November 2017 21: 46 New
      0
      For a long time we will look for these imaginary allies. The narrow-eyed Chinese whales do not want to do anything themselves. Constantly or against or abstain. Both in sports and in politics.
    2. Orang
      Orang 29 November 2017 22: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Peaceful Basmach
      with your allies.

      Few of them, allies. In sports terms, no competition. Inside the country, mass amateur sports and physical education should be developed for their people. Military applied types.
  27. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 29 November 2017 21: 08 New
    +1
    Quote: Ulan
    Break the World Cup, a dream for Uncle Sam.

    They will not pluck, there is no time for preparation in another country. But they will try to remove the Russian national football team. And it will be even more humiliating. But having such sports figures as “From May Hart” and it is not clear what Zhukov is doing in the RF NOC, this option does not look impossible.
    1. Machete
      Machete 29 November 2017 21: 45 New
      +2
      The team will not be removed.
      And if removed, it will be quite a war and it will be possible right before the start of the World Cup and block it.
      Anyway, they will be kicked out of both FIFA and UEFA if the national team is removed.
      And so we slam the door so that the ringing will be 20 years after that. How so! Ripped World Cup! smile
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 29 November 2017 23: 08 New
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        Why should the Russian football team be suspended? They themselves will be successfully removed from medals. Money is dripping with any result, so you can easily portray the game, rather than play. The main thing is to “cut off the property qualifications” of competitors within the Russian Federation.
      2. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 30 November 2017 15: 00 New
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        Quote: Machete
        it will be quite a war

        So Putin said last week that he had to prepare for war. In all media there is information about this.
  28. Machete
    Machete 29 November 2017 21: 42 New
    +3
    We were given to understand that the OI would no longer be allowed.
    It is necessary that the Foreign Ministry issued a statement on the politicization and venality of the IOC and announced its withdrawal from this sharaga. There will be nothing else left.
    We, after all, also pay for our humiliation.
    Everywhere contributions ....
  29. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 29 November 2017 22: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: a.sirin
    There’s just good reason to believe

    You can’t sew the case. This should be 100% proof, and not the ravings of some kind of interested Rodchenkov there. Whoever found direct negative tests, deprive him. No problems. And rowing everyone under one comb - so you can go far. And have come already.
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 29 November 2017 23: 12 New
      +3
      This should be 100% proof, and not the ravings of some kind of interested Rodchenkov there.

      So under the ravings of our Rodchenkov and spread rot. Unproven. Like Ivan Andreevich - "you are to blame for the fact that I want to eat ..."
      And for all 100% proof - p.d.dosam to pump up. I want them. And prove do not prove - do not care. They do not prove. They don’t need to. After six months, the same Rodchenkov WILL get the list even more - and goodbye to the 2018 medal. Why prove - "the strong is always right." am
      Until he arrives at the insolent slurp and begins to bustle: "I just wanted to eat well, but cut the dough, and look STEEP." The whole moral of the "potential adversary", and Rodchenkov is, so, an instrument. Use and throw out like a condom.
  30. sounddoc
    sounddoc 29 November 2017 22: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: SCHWERIN
    So when our economy takes at least 3 place in the world, the salaries in the country will not be 300USD, but at least 6-8 times more, then we will arrange alternative games, a sports court and maybe even the UN will be in Moscow. And no need for New Vasyuki


    After reading your post, I remembered: “Ivan Kapitonich is a small, bruised, flattened creature, living just to pick up his handkerchiefs and congratulate them on the occasion. He is young, but his back is bent into an arc, his knees are always bent, his hands are dirty and at the seams. His face is definitely pinched by a door or beaten with a wet rag. It is sour and pathetic; looking at him, I want to sing “Luchinushka” and whine ”(with
  31. AID.S
    AID.S 30 November 2017 00: 11 New
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    Quote: 16112014nk
    there is no time for preparation in another country.

    I think that any country in old Europe will hold the World Cup without any problems. France, Germany, Spain, Italy (by the way, what is not the applicant !!!) - the infrastructure is established. Penguin - with a bang.
    The villainy is worth the wait while it is possible.
    But it will be difficult to take the World Cup from us, no one will believe that doping will help our team and affect the result, although if we take the tests from Kokorin and Mamaev, who knows how things will turn out ...
  32. Izotovp
    Izotovp 30 November 2017 01: 00 New
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    There is nothing new and the expression “according to the Hamburg account” appeared not from scratch and not yesterday.
  33. aszzz888
    aszzz888 30 November 2017 02: 10 New
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    It is necessary to assume that it will be impossible to achieve justice in this court for the simple reason that its panel of judges received a relevant order from well-known initiators of anti-Russian hysteria long ago.

    ... why then bang your head against the wall? ... you need to look for other master keys to this node ...
  34. Ace Tambourine
    Ace Tambourine 30 November 2017 04: 02 New
    0
    No ... Well, even if our team will not be allowed ... it doesn’t matter ... But Russia has the right as a participant in the IOC to distribute prizes ?!
    So to the loser countries, as a consolation prize, the Iskander-M complexes, And to the very losers Sarmat ... Launch by order ....
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 30 November 2017 05: 14 New
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      But in general...
      If you think about it, you can, indeed, sell ICBMs without exporting ... Grandmas on a barrel and we are waiting for a call from a client ...
      Well, mattresses are nothing personal, just business ...
      I wonder how many countries will be thrown so that the hegemon is always written in the corners?
  35. tommy717
    tommy717 30 November 2017 04: 41 New
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    Quote: Going
    Quote: Black
    Everything is imprisoned for the election of the President of the Russian Federation ... they will not leave us alone. Unfortunately, I think that the participation of our guys at the Olympics in Korea under a BIG question .....


    This is the revenge of the United States, for the fact that we do not want to dance to their tune.

    These are guys revenge of the USA for the fact that we so beautifully lowered them with the Crimea. They still will not come to their senses, as it is so hegemonic and sniffing in shit ....
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 30 November 2017 04: 56 New
      0
      So the fact of the matter is that we did Beautifully ...
      Like in Syria however ...
  36. turcom
    turcom 30 November 2017 04: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Going
    Several lawsuits have already arrived at the International Sports Court in Lausanne.


    It is necessary to assume that it will be impossible to achieve justice in this court for the simple reason that its panel of judges received a relevant order from well-known initiators of anti-Russian hysteria long ago.

    Does anyone know the composition of this court? Still called international, I would like to know - And who are the judges?
  37. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 30 November 2017 05: 40 New
    +1
    The Americans are stirring up the people and our media are playing along with them. Preparing for the presidential election. My personal opinion is that the Olympic movement, like the Eurovision, has discredited itself - it’s not the best who wins, but a rogue or stupid with big money. And our athletes feel sorry for having to rotate in this rotten system.
    1. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 30 November 2017 05: 50 New
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      so they spin so ...
      If you initially admit that the system is completely rotten through, then it’s clear what the athletes are turning on ...
      Do you yourself have anything to do with Sport?
      Just don’t say that you are from the Paralympic team ...
  38. Stegosaurus Brontosaurus
    Stegosaurus Brontosaurus 30 November 2017 07: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: igorka357
    So welcome to us in the north, shift method, salaries from 150 thousand, only here it is necessary to plow, and most importantly .. want to plow, and earn!


    Che people laugh? I work in the far north, on the Yamal Peninsula. Who here pays to whom from 150 thousand? These are very rare salaries. The average salary is 60-70. And besides the desire to plow, you also need to have health, so as not to quack. And what depends on the "plowing" of an individual? Nothing. Salary to him will still be paid according to the results of the site. Oh, how many factors affect these results!
  39. mavrus
    mavrus 30 November 2017 15: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: tasha
    Do not return any Olympic medals to Russian athletes and do not return prize money back to the IOC for anything.

    Taking part in the Olympic Games (a voluntary event, by the way), the participating countries agreed to the requirements of the Olympic Charter. Medals and diplomas must be returned to the IOC. Nothing has been written about the money in the charter. No decision made by the IOC can be challenged after 3 years from the closing date of the Olympic Games. So the medals must be returned.

    And what is the truth that “no IOC decision can be challenged after 3 years from the date of the closure of the OI?”
    Those. if 3 years and 9 months ago the IOC handed medals to someone (the closure of Sochi 2014 was February 23.02.2014, 9). Is it already like XNUMX months and one week that you can send everyone to hell, since the topic is closed, and the decision on medals cannot be challenged?
  40. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 November 2017 21: 17 New
    0
    Yes, hand over the medals, don’t hand over ... it won’t help. sad

    https://lenta.ru/articles/2017/11/30/rodchenkov
    “The questions concerned the substitution of doping samples of Russian athletes, which were included in the Duchess list, personally compiled by Rodchenkov. It included Olympians, whose diet regularly included a cocktail of alcohol and anabolic stimulants: methenolone, trenbolone and oxandrolone. Men interfered with prohibited substances from whiskey, women with vermouth, which was required for better absorption of drugs and reduction of the window for their detection.The cocktail itself is the result of Rodchenkov's scientific studies.The talented chemist made a formula and studied the effects I have this mixture on myself. "///
    “So, Gregory shared indignation with the diary because of the sluggishness of proxies from the Ministry of Sports who were in no hurry to prepare a plan for transporting“ normal ”urine, which the athletes from the Duchess list donated for several months. Hundreds of liters of pure urine Deliver to Sochi, in a special building under the protection of FSB officers
    1. poquello
      poquello 1 December 2017 01: 00 New
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      Quote: voyaka uh
      alcohol cocktail

      it is beautifully written, it is hard to believe - alcohol really affects physical form, even in small doses.
      About Rodchenkov’s list I wrote above.
  41. tasha
    tasha 1 December 2017 05: 26 New
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    Tatyana,
    And what is the statute of limitations for Olympic crimes? wink
    The IOC is a non-profit organization on a voluntary basis. What countries, what athletes voluntarily take part in the Olympic Games. The IOC is the last resort ...
    Just imagine, the administration of VO will deprive you of your virtual rank, and you will take it to court ... Although, in our crazy world, this is possible ... laughing
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 1 December 2017 21: 36 New
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      Quote: tasha
      The IOC is a non-profit organization on a voluntary basis.

      Yeah. There are no brains at all, or are you mowing under the demented ??