Bondarev: Su-57 will be adopted in 2018 year

The former commander-in-chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, and now the head of the Federation Council’s Committee on Defense and Security, Viktor Bondarev, said that the Russian armed forces would adopt the fifth-generation Su-57 fighter in 2018.

The fighter of the fifth generation PAK FA T-50, which was named Su-57 in serial production, is scheduled to be put into service in the 2018 year. He successfully passed the test, and very soon the pilots will begin to develop and exploit it.

- said the agency Bondarev.

In this case, the first installation batch will be only 12 aircraft, said the senator, and next year, in his opinion, "we will get only two or three fighters." Pre-production is scheduled from 2019 onwards.

In the design of the Su-57 used composite materials based on carbon fiber, significantly reducing its radar visibility. A multifunctional electronic system not only detects ground and air targets, but also solves the problems of navigation, identification, electronic intelligence and countermeasures.

Su-57 has increased engine power, bomb load and range. The fighter is equipped with a dual 30-millimeter cannon, and the main armament - two melee missiles and eight medium-range, located in two internal compartments, reports RIA News

Comments

[_Jack_]

At the same time, the first installation batch will be only 12 aircraft, the senator specified, and next year, in his opinion, "we will receive only two or three fighters."

Because there is no money.

[210ox]

Because they also did not finish the car ..

Quote: _Jack_

At the same time, the first installation batch will be only 12 aircraft, the senator specified, and next year, in his opinion, "we will receive only two or three fighters."

Because there is no money.

[Muvka]

Quote: _Jack_

At the same time, the first installation batch will be only 12 aircraft, the senator specified, and next year, in his opinion, "we will receive only two or three fighters."

Because there is no money.

Do you know the concept of the phrase "Installation Party"? Just in case, here is the first industrial batch manufactured during the period of production development according to the technical documentation of serial or mass production in order to confirm the readiness of production to produce products with established requirements and in specified volumes.

[_Jack_]

Unfortunately, from the knowledge of this term money will not increase in the budget. In the next few years, you can’t count on mass deliveries of Su-57 - you simply don’t have allocated money for it, you have to save. Yes, this, in fact, is correct, we have four hundred modern aircraft in the troops three hundred in all, but they are much cheaper and we still can’t do enough. In such circumstances, it makes no sense to spend money on such an expensive aircraft.

[Muvka]

Where did you get such secret information? And yes, they rolled out the IL78M-90A.

[NEXUS]

Quote: _Jack_

In the next few years, one can’t count on mass deliveries of Su-57 - funds have not been allocated for this,

No dear, not so ... let's start with the fact that the engine is 2 stages, that is, the product 30 will go on flight tests only in the year 18 ... in the same year there will be a batch of 12 cars with product 117, which will go to the military tests. By the time all comments of combat pilots are corrected, product 30 will already pass flight tests and will be ready for mass production.
Apparently these same 2-3 cars will be with the product 30 already ...

and next year, in his opinion, "we will get only two or three fighters." Pre-production is scheduled for 2019.

Quote: _Jack_

Yes, this, in fact, is correct, we have four hundred modern aircraft in the troops three hundred in all, but they are much cheaper and we still can’t do enough.

For the next 10-15 years, the main heavy MFI will be SU-35. The SU-30 is more massive today, but very soon, most likely, it will be sold for export more than purchased for the aerospace forces, and I’m sure to increase the number of SU-35s for purchase.
Our line of heavy IFIs is too long, which makes life difficult for repairmen, first of all ...
At the same time, as our VKS SU-35s and SU-30s become saturated, in the next 10-15 years, the SU-57s will be purchased in small batches. At the same time, replacing the 35s pilots on the SU-57 gradually. But in 10-15 years, when we will prepare enough flyers, and the SU-57 price will be optimized, plus they will eliminate minor problems in the operation of this vehicle in the army over the years, expand the new arsenal, and possibly put a new radar ... and then They will start to buy the SU-57 no less than now the SU-30, and maybe even more ...

[Alexey-74]

I think you're right. Many people want to see the Su-57 in the VKS at one point, but it will be really gradual, over 10 years, the situation with the T-14 tank is also

[NEXUS]

Quote: Alexey-74

but it will be really gradual, over 10 years, the situation is also with the T-14

That's right ...

[alstr]

By the way, here in one broadcast another interesting point was voiced: the requirements for pilots for new aircraft (those who have engines with a variable thrust vector, i.e., Su-35 and SU-57) are significantly different from earlier aircraft. Because not only more serious preparation for mastering the mate part is required, but also serious requirements for the health of the pilot.
If I understood correctly, then there the difference is approximately the same as it was during the transition from piston aviation to jet.

All this takes time.
Therefore, it is correctly written that the training of pilots will be carried out through the development of the first SU-35, and then the pilots will switch to the SU-57.
And this is what will determine the pace of supply to a greater extent than financing. Although it will also play a role.

[NEXUS]

Quote: alstr

Therefore, it is correctly written that the training of pilots will be carried out through the development of the first SU-35, and then the pilots will switch to the SU-57.

Exactly so. The cabin of the 35 is identical to the cabin of the 57 ... but this was not just done.

Quote: alstr

And this is what will determine the pace of supply to a greater extent than financing.

The matter is no longer in financing, but in the preparation of fliers and troop refinement of the aircraft with the gradual optimization of the price of the fighter as it is purchased and refined.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

Exactly so. The cabin of the 35 is identical to the cabin of the 57.

not a fact



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Very similar to the layout of the Su-35 / T-10M "first" release

with a mixture of cockpit layout of a modernized Su-25 aircraft

[Zhelezyakin]

In terms of overload, I think the aerobatics of both the Su-57, Su-35 and Su-30 are not very different. If my memory serves me right, the biggest overload occurs when going through a military U-turn. This is about 5-5,5 units. Cobra Pugacheva can reach up to 6 units, but it is more short-lived. Worst of all, the pilot perceives negative overloads.

[NN52]

Zhelezyakin

Well, what do you write in order to write?
Pilotage Su 35s from Su 30 cm differs significantly, and pilotage 57 ...
Memory is cheating on you, drink some pills ....
What kind of military U-turn with such an overload? // And so on ...
Engage in iron and do not meddle in topics where you do not understand anything.

[Zhelezyakin]

- I am writing, because I am expressing my opinion, is it like commenting on an article, or not?
- What is the difference between the T-50 aerobatics and other dryers, especially at times?
- Here’s a quote from Studopedia that describes this maneuver, if you’re too lazy to look for “The speed of entry into a combat turn, performed by overloading 5,0-5,5, should be at least 700 km / h when the engines are operating at maximum speed and at least 550 km / h in full afterburner. "
“Will there be anything besides unfounded criticism?” If not, pass by. And if so, I’m ready to discuss it, just be kind enough to stay within the bounds of decency. You know me? Confident in my / my knowledge? A trend, as you know, do not toss bags!

[NN52]

Zhelezyakin

I do not comment on articles about tanks, guns, navy, because they are not a specialist, and it’s not my rule to make technical comments based on Wikipedia (there are a lot of specialists here, and I don’t want to disgrace them) ...
And aviation is mine. I flew.
And finally, watch the aerobatics video of these types of aircraft and compare ....
And where are the positive, negative and the most poorly studied lateral overloads during piloting.
The dispute is over.
I didn’t want to offend.

[Zhelezyakin]

I didn’t fly, but it was directly related to the engines of these aircraft.
I rely not on the wiki data, but on the Description of the Su-27CK Single-seat all-weather all-weather fighter. The source is located at the link - https://studopedia.ru/4_9664_soderzhanie.html p. 13, second paragraph.

And there was no dispute ...
All the best!

[_Jack_]

I’m afraid that in 10-15 years the Su-57 will become obsolete, it’s already several years late, in order to withstand the 5th generation American planes, in 10-15 years the Su-57 should be several hundred in the troops

[tchoni]

Quote: NEXUS

But in 10-15 years, when we will prepare enough fliers, and the SU-57 price will be optimized, plus they will eliminate minor problems in the operation of this vehicle in the army over the years, expand the new arsenal, and possibly put a new radar ... and then will start to buy the SU-57

)))) Which by this time is already obsolete, because the generational change term is exactly 15-20 years)))

[NEXUS]

Quote: tchoni

)))) Which by this time is already obsolete, because the generational change term is exactly 15-20 years)))

Sure? And you probably don’t take into account modernization ... at the same time take a look at how many years the mattresses have, and we have 4 generation fighters in service. Apparently they, according to your logic, should have become obsolete back in the 90s.
Remember the example of the F-35, until what year the mattresses declared its operation. I will tell you until 2070.
And what about the obsolescence of the SU-57th in 10-15 years. The Su-35 is a continuation of the SU-27. And today, the 35th in the world is considered one of the best fighters in the world. Despite the fact that the 27th was created already in the shaggy 70s.

[Vlad.by]

How to listen to all-companions, so in the country there is no money for anything.
Well, except for the purchase of gold in tons :-), and so the poor and the poor ...
Well, what's the use of new factories, newspapers, ships ...?
You don’t have a salary of one million only for joining a “job”, nor do you receive a pension of half a million. Why not even go to the blessed Vaterland for shopping? Longing for this life in Russia ...

Sometimes it's a pity that times have changed. Our society is categorically shown a tough hand, well, at least for a while. For shake and brain cleansing.

[NKT]

As I understand it, we rely on heavy fighter jets, and the light ones will be updated from time to time (MiG-35)? I read somewhere that the ratio of heavy to light fighters should be 30 to 70, since it’s very expensive to have heavy fighters, but now it’s the other way around.

[NEXUS]

Quote: NKT

and the lungs will be updated in between cases (MiG-35)

MIG-35 is no longer a light fighter, but a medium one. Work is underway to create a lightweight 5 generation fighter in Mikoyan’s design bureau ... but at what stage they have no information.

Quote: NKT

that the ratio of heavy to light fighters should be 30 to 70

The ratio of the fighter pair has been since the times of the USSR, one heavy, two light fighter.

[Don]

Quote: NEXUS

MIG-35 is no longer a light fighter, but a medium one. Work is underway to create a lightweight 5 generation fighter in Mikoyan’s design bureau ... but at what stage they have no information.

Rather, they are developing a mid-generation 5 fighter. Light fighter should be with one engine of high thrust. Considering that even the ultra-modern F-35 engine does not allow it to maneuver on equal terms with twin-engine aircraft, then, for lack of an engine even close to it, there simply is no other way out. Although there would be money, maybe our engineers would be able to get closer to the Americans, but, alas, there is money only for offshore accounts and yachts for hundreds of millions of dollars.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Donskoy

Light fighter should be with one engine of high thrust.

What a fright? MIG-29 is twin-engine and this is LFI.

[Vadim237]

"For the next 10-15 years." During this time, the sixth generation will take off and it will not be necessary to buy Su 57 - they will only supply for export.

[Don]

Then the sixth generation is no longer needed, because under the next US president, a "couch" may come for us. On one Soviet legacy, it may not be able to stretch already, unfortunately.

[Valery Saitov]

In 2014, the Russian Air Force received 24 Su-35S multi-functional fighters, 21 Su-30SM multi-functional fighters, 8 Su-30M2 fighters, 18 Su-34 front-line bombers, 10 Mig-29K / KUB carrier-based fighters, 20 Yak-130 combat training aircraft , Tu-214ON observation aircraft, four An-148-100E passenger aircraft, two An-140-100 cargo and passenger aircraft. All of these aircraft meet modern requirements, many of them (especially the Su-30) are a huge success abroad. As already mentioned, the total number of military aircraft produced was at least 124 (the number of vehicles delivered abroad could not be precisely determined, so the number could be more - up to 150).
And another interesting point - today the Russian Federation has become the first in the world in the production of military aircraft, overtaking both China (using Russian engines on its aircraft) and the United States (no more than 100 aircraft in 2014). The United States is not going as smoothly as we would like, the development of the 5th generation fighter F-35. According to preliminary information, over the next 5 years, the United States will release 569 aircraft - 113 per year, along with export aircraft.

[siberalt]

Without orders, Sukhoi will be tight. Unless to shake off to the side.

[Lord of the Sith]

And I said the last half of the year that the Su-57, S-500, Armata - all this will be adopted by 2018. But they also argued with me and showed articles about 2020-2021.

[vovanpain]

Quote: Sith Lord

And I said the last half of the year that the Su-57, S-500, Armata - all this will be adopted in 2018. And they argued with me

Sergei What are you, what are you. They clearly say:

Quote: _Jack_

Because there is no money.

There will be nothing. And the fact that it is

first installment batch

Well, you it is not essential, the main thing

Quote: _Jack_

Unfortunately, from the knowledge of this term money will not increase in the budget.

[Lord of the Sith]

The same with the installation of monuments to Vladimir, Ivan III and Alexander III.
The same is true with referenda on the reunification of South Ossetia with Russia and then the unification of North and South.
The same thing with the union of the DPR and LPR and their return to Russia.

[tomket]

Quote: Sith Lord

The same with the installation of monuments to Vladimir, Ivan III and Alexander III.

What is wrong with Alexander III?)

[Lord of the Sith]

All so, 13 years of peace and prosperity for Russia provided. It’s just that these monuments are also being placed under the 2018 elections of the year, like other events.

[tomket]

Quote: Sith Lord

All so, 13 years of peace and prosperity for Russia provided. It’s just that these monuments are also being placed under the 2018 elections of the year, like other events.

Too thin))) I would not have guessed))))

[Lord of the Sith]

Monument to Vladimir the Great collector of Russian lands. Crimea has returned, Ossetia and Abkhazia will hold referenda and are preparing for the DPR and LPR.
A month ago, Pushilin in the DPR was appointed to the committee for integration into Russia.

[tomket]

Quote: Sith Lord

Monument to Vladimir the Great collector of Russian lands.

Mmmmm ..... In my opinion, he created the prerequisites for fragmentation in Russia)))))

Quote: Sith Lord

Ossetia and Abkhazia will hold referenda and are preparing for the DPR and LPR.

What’s called here - wait and see.

Quote: Sith Lord

A month ago, Pushilin in the DPR was appointed to the committee for integration into Russia

I would like to believe that things will go off the ground, and not pre-election chatter ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: Sith Lord

And I said the last half of the year that the Su-57

SU-57 will be adopted in the 20th year, since only in 18 the second-stage engine will go on flight tests. This pre-production batch of 12 cars will go to the VKS with a product of 117 ... they will prepare flyers in 1,5-2 years, in 19 they will buy 2-3 cars with a product of 30, and will be put into service by the year 20 and a series will be launched .

[Alexey-74]

Perhaps they will, but they will definitely be delivered in serial batches after 2021 ...

[Lord of the Sith]

Right! I'm talking about what. And people cling to volumes. You explain to them that what does the volume have to do with it, they will accept it exactly in 2018.
For example, out of 12 ordered, 10 will go with the engine first (item 117), and two with the engine second (item 30).
No one says about 50 units per year.

[okko077]

And now I’m saying that it makes no sense to create the latest modern systems without creating Combat Information Systems, into which they should be integrated. While we do not have such systems, which means we do not need to make the Su-57, Armata, the Coalition-SV, ..... they will be ineffective .... It is urgent to create an LSI ...... Will not appear earlier and 2025 !!! Not needed, we are not ready for them ....

[opus]

Quote: Sith Lord

All this will be adopted by 2018. And they argued with me

let's meet 2018 and see

[cerbuk6155]

So there will be no money. When they will be with our government, never, and when they appear, they will begin to shove their pockets with their tripled strength and invest in the United States.

[Herman 4223]

The first batch will go for military tests, the aircraft must be checked by exploiting the troops to identify the last shortcomings, and only after that, a series will go. 12 vehicles is a squadron for these tests.

[210ox]

Accept, then discuss ..

[Jedi]

Quite rightly, there is nothing to share the skin of an unkilled bear.

[Going]

I would not put such information into the public sphere, although it may also specifically cast a shadow over the wattle fence.

[Jedi]

Wait and see.

[just exp]

+ many, another starball promised.

[cniza]

“The fifth-generation fighter PAK FA T-50, which is named Su-57 in serial production, is planned to be adopted in 2018.

Pre-production is scheduled for 2019.

And when is the serial?

[Mityasha]

Serial-when the aircraft will make a full-fledged weapon. First, the whole complex of tests, otherwise we love to take it into service early, and they will bring it to the standard in the army ... then somehow.

[cniza]

But plans do exist, I understand that these are not oven pies, but there should be a plan.

[just exp]

and so for a long time already, and for all, they first supply it, and then officially put it into service.
at least remember the same Su-27.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cniza

And when is the serial?

In 18, flight tests of the product 30 ... will begin by 19, after military tests of these 12 vehicles with the engine of the first stage (product 117), probably 2-3 vehicles will be purchased with the product 30 ... and by the 20th year a series with an engine of the second stage will go, and I think with a new radar and a tested new arsenal. Until 20 years old, combatant flyers will be trained, practice tactics, interaction, etc.

[Herculesic]

We can take it into service right now on the site, and if only in the 18th year at least five cars were built! And so, promises from the category of "communism by the year 2000"!

[St Petrov]

would you see what you wrote in 2008 about raising the allowance for servicemen by our opposition and predicted how quickly it will be canceled after the election.

on the site they practiced wit about Putin and Medvedev - well, as usual. And now they don’t remember those nice jokes

and then in the year 12, when they adopted the rearmament program by 2020 - what they wrote about the 20th year. And yet nuclear weapons rearmament and much too

[Alexander 3]

SU 57 should not repeat the fate of the US imperfection, although our equipment was also brought up for a long time, even after the start of mass production. For example, IL 28 ate a lot of people at one time.

[Egorovich]

Invisibility now seems to be of paramount importance, and the SU-35 is not worse in quality than the SU-57, but much cheaper. The conclusion begs for itself what we need first of all.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Egorovich

and the SU-35 is not worse in quality than the SU-57

Worse ... both in terms of over-maneuverability and worse in terms of engine, even with product 117, not to mention product 30. And in terms of speed, where the 57th cruising afterburner over-the-air suction is available and the 35th is not. 57 5 AFAR stand against one VFD at the 35th ... well, 57 is hardly noticeable to anything else.

[Egorovich]

A new engine can also be put on the SU-35, and the cost of the SU-57 is almost three times more expensive than the SU-35, and there are practically no rivals. I think that the SU-35 is more necessary.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Egorovich

A new engine can also be put on the SU-35, and the cost of the SU-57 is almost three times more expensive than the SU-35, and there are practically no rivals. I think that the SU-35 is more necessary.

I already wrote that for the coming 10-15 years the main heavy IFI will be the SU-35.57th, which will be purchased in small batches. As the car is being refined, it is possible to upgrade, optimize prices, prepare flyers and create an arsenal for the 57th, there is no need to wait for the purchase of these cars in the good series of the above-mentioned deadline.
As for - "put the product 30 on the SU-35th", so it will be delivered over time. This is logical.

Quote: Egorovich

I think that the SU-35 is more necessary.

Given the saturation of our VKS with new machines, definitely YES. I will say more, we now still need the SU-30 even more.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

and over-maneuverability worse

Why did it happen?
Su-57 has internal weapons bays.
Glider weakened, he "floats."
Aerodynamics partially sacrificed for low visibility

Quote: NEXUS

and on the engine, even with the 117 product, not to mention the 30 product.

but how much cheaper is 30, and they also didn’t “fly”

Quote: NEXUS

And according to the speed characteristics, where the 57-th cruising after-formation supersonic is available, but the 35 is not.

Where are the "firewood"?
1. The flight characteristics of the SU-35 C is
Maximum speed:
at the ground: 1400 km / h
at height: 2500 km / h (M = 2,35, with an altitude of more than 11 km)
LH Su-57 -no, and on the "prospectus" less

2.

Quote: NEXUS

A frontless supersonic sound is available, but the 35 is not.

1,1M modeless mode

For me, it remains an open question on the results of the last flight. It assessed the acceleration characteristics of the Su-35. Marked an interesting feature. A preliminary analysis shows that at medium altitudes, when the engines were running in the outboard mode, the plane, while at a small supersonic speed, continued to accelerate. In the process of acceleration, the plane reached the Mach number 1,1 M. However, I did not reach the maximum speed of horizontal flight, because I reached the boundary of the allowed supersonic flight zone and was forced to return to subsonic.

When analyzing the last flight, I get the impression that with certain fuel residues, at certain heights, the aircraft flies in supersonic mode with the maximum engine operation. We have yet to accurately determine the weight of the aircraft and the altitude-speed range, where super-cruise flight mode is possible.",.

- said Bogdan in an interview with the publication “Military-Industrial Courier”
http://www.sukhoi.org/news/smi/?id=1729

Quote: NEXUS

SU-57 5 AFAR stand, against one PFAR at 35.

1. On the SU-57 Moka "nothing"
2.PFAR for AFAR replace for SU-35 with no problems, there would be AFAR.
Fairing SU-35С allows (if desired) and mini ARLO to push there
3.

Su-35BM / Su-35С of the second generation - a new avionics, a new modern IW, a radar control system (radar) with a multi-function radar with a passive radar H035 "Irbis" / "Irbis-E". In the linear elements of the fuselage and the toes of the wing it is planned to place additional L-band radar antennas. The aircraft is equipped with an optical-electronic radar station for detecting targets. The cockpit instrument cluster includes a 2 color LCD display and an indicator on the windshield.

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Does this photo say nothing?

Quote: NEXUS

Exactly so. The cabin of the 35 is identical to the cabin of the 57 ... but this was not just done.

Quote: Egorovich

The engine can be new and SU-35 will deliver

must not
"AL-41F1C"

Maximum: 2 × 8800 kg
afterburner: 2 × 14500 kg

on "Type 30"

maximum: 2 × around 11000 kgf
afterburner: 2 × about 18000 kgf

glider does not pass

[NEXUS]

Quote: opus

Why did it happen?

This was even stated by Bogdan in an interview. By the way, and according to the representatives of the Design Bureau themselves, the 57th is more maneuverable than the 35th. But this does not mean that the SU-35 is a bad fighter.

Quote: opus

Su-57 has internal weapons bays.
Glider weakened, he "floats."

Where did the woods about "floating" come from? Despite the fact that 12 cars are sent to the military, based on your statement, Anton, with a "floating glider."

Quote: opus

but how much cheaper is 30, and they also didn’t “fly”

Can you voice the price of a product 30? Even it became interesting ...

Quote: opus

Where are the "firewood"?

From the requirements for a fighter of generation 5. On the 35th there is a wonderful dvigun, and it may very well be that over the sound on the afterburner it is capable of producing. I believe in Bogdan. But Bogdan is a test pilot who is obliged to drive cars both in the tail and in the mane in order to find the limit of the machine's capabilities. And I'm talking about combat pilots.
And again, Bogdan talks about small supersonic without afterburner ...

Quote: opus

On the SU-57 Moka "nothing"

Anton, already worth at least 11 prototypes. And he is the extreme pre-production.

Quote: opus

must not
"AL-41F1C"
Maximum: 2 × 8800 kg
afterburner: 2 × 14500 kg
on "Type 30"
maximum: 2 × around 11000 kgf
afterburner: 2 × about 18000 kgf
glider does not pass

It is very controversial ... the fact that the thrust is more understandable ... but what about the glider, if the dimensions allow? ... I’ll say more, the product 30 will probably be more compact due to the fact that the SU-57 is so to say “flattened” in comparison with SU-57.
And with what fright did you come to the conclusion that the 35th glider could not stand it? Only based on the difference in traction? This is at least a strange conclusion ...

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

This is even Bogdan stated in an interview.

when?

Sergey Bogdan

On its aerobatic performance is close to Su-35, which has the status of "4 two plus", but this is a completely different plane. It is easier to manage, even more maneuverable. And these characteristics will be improved during the tests. The engines of the machine have increased traction - it is easy to gain height, it is quite simple to make corner turns. The fighter fully meets the requirements for fifth-generation aircraft - this is low visibility in radar and other ranges

Quote: NEXUS

The 57 is more maneuverable than the 35.

French manoevrer - to set in motion, control, maneuver, from the Latin manu operor - I work with hands) of an aircraft - the ability of an aircraft to change position in space, speed, altitude and direction of flight for a certain period of time.

SU-57 is gaining speed faster and better rate of climb (with the new remote control edition 30)
change direction (overload) -I doubt it

Quote: NEXUS

Where did the woods about "floating" come from?

rumors from applying to the body.
Everyone had problems with the internal compartment.

Changes in the design of the aircraft were caused by technical difficulties, including cracks in the fuselage design, identified during testing of the first prototypes of the T-50. That is why the first flight prototype of the T-50-1 has been under development for a long time, which lasted almost a year from August 2011 to September 2012 after the damage was received during the MAKS-2011 air show. This aircraft has additional fuselage reinforcements

and only in March 2016, the T-50 first used weapons from the internal compartments.

Quote: NEXUS

Can you voice the price of an 30 product?

not. But pretending to bast my knees, I think% 60 is greater than 41С.
Somewhere around 25 million $ / piece at the rate
And you?

Quote: NEXUS

Anton, already stands at least on the 11 prototype.

How can "stand" something that is not in nature?

Quote: NEXUS

but then where does the glider, if the dimensions allow?

Let us think about what forces and moments act on the aircraft and where they are applied.

Quote: NEXUS

And with what fright did you come to the conclusion that the 35 glider could not stand it?

because this type is not made with 20% stock

[NEXUS]

Quote: opus

rumors from applying to the body.
Everyone had problems with the internal compartment.

If they were, so forgive me, these are prototypes ... and there are all kinds of problems at this stage of creation. We changed the glider, strengthened it and there is no problem ... that's why I said there would be such serious problems with the glider, no one would send it to the military ... and even more so 12 cars.

Quote: opus

not. But pretending to bast my knees, I think% 60 is greater than 41С.
Somewhere around 25 million $ / piece at the rate
And you?

As you put it “on the knee”, not 60% but 25-35% ... consider it yourself. At the same time, yes, the product will even bite for my price estimates ... but as the series grows, I'm sure the price will be optimized and not much different from the price of product 117.

Quote: opus

Anton, already stands at least on the 11 prototype.
How can "stand" something that is not in nature?

I answered you ... because 11 car is pre-production. And by definition, everything is already on it.

The latest copy of the T-50-9 installed a set of on-board equipment, which will be installed on the serial Su-57. On previous prototypes, the kit was partially installed, so some cars carried only dummies of electronic equipment.

According to the director of NIIP Yuri Belykh, the latest radar N036, released by the pilot production of the institute, was installed on a T-50-9 aircraft. Future aircraft will be equipped with radars produced by JSC "State Ryazan Instrument Plant".

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

If they were, so sorry, these are prototypes

I mean, the glider is "flatter" than the SU-35S, it is understandable and comprehensible.
Therefore, it is more maneuverable (overload) than it cannot be than the SU-35S.
I explained why.

Quote: NEXUS

and even more so 12 cars.

1.Not yet 12 cars
2.Not yet 2018
3.and in general

Quote: NEXUS

and 25-35% ... consider it yourself.

these are definitely not real numbers

Quote: NEXUS

And by definition, everything is already on it.

I don’t know what such a “definition” is, but it is NOT worth it

Quote: NEXUS

Future aircraft will be equipped with radars produced by JSC "State Ryazan Instrument Plant".

This does not mean that it is mounted on the T-50-11.

[NEXUS]

You contradict yourself, Anton ... You state the following ..

Quote: opus

I mean, the glider is "flatter" than the SU-35S, it is understandable and comprehensible.

And now we look what you declare before that ..

Quote: opus

glider does not pass

That is, again from your words, the glider of the 57th, which is “hackier” can withstand the product 30, and the glider of the 35th, which, according to your words, can’t stand it more tightly ... hmm, an interesting conclusion.

Quote: opus

these are definitely not real numbers

I’m not the last resort and not you, I can’t say for sure which numbers really are. But I think my calculations are closer to the real ones than yours.

Quote: opus

This does not mean that it is mounted on the T-50-11.

If the Squirrel is installed de facto on the 9th prototype, then on the 11th (pre-production) it is necessary.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

"hlipche" stand product 30

1. look here
(another time)

Quote: opus

Let us think about what forces and moments act on the aircraft and where they are applied.

2. think with brains
3. read

SECTION C - STRENGTH

GENERAL

23.301. Loads.

Quote: NEXUS

interesting conclusion.

The conclusion is logical. will make a student with 10, sorry with 11 C. obr.
Strength according to "X" (engines), not the strength of the structure according to "U" and "Z"

Quote: NEXUS

But I think my calculations are closer to real than yours.

1. You have never been to production, and verbiage (excuse me), or when you did not engage in your own business, therefore, you have no idea of ​​the cost of production in the Russian Federation.
They didn’t come across Russian reality, they didn’t deliver components and equipment to Russian factories, they didn’t communicate with interesting people. / This conclusion was made by me only according to the comments, “pink like that”. sorry again).
2. Just watch and study carefully the MODERN TRDD of the Russian Federation, that we produce, buy, and how competitive we are.

OVER SEA TELUSHKA - CREW, YES RUBLE CARRIAGE

Quote: NEXUS

If the Squirrel is installed de facto on the 9th prototype

Who said such nonsense?
hanging tanks installed on the T-50-9

T-50-9 (April 24, 2017) were the so-called prototypes of the second stage. Their main difference from their older counterparts is their design features, which make it possible to install a new power plant on airplanes. Currently, all PAK FA embodied in iron are equipped with modernized AL-41F1 engines, similar to the engines on the serial Su-35S

[NEXUS]

Quote: opus

2. think with brains
3. read

That's it, we THINK BRAINS, and we are not trying to broadcast with a clever air, do not understand what, and then refute it yourself.

Quote: opus

1. You have never been to production, and verbiage (excuse me), or when you did not engage in your own business, therefore, you have no idea of ​​the cost of production in the Russian Federation.

Where to me ... only your conclusion is not true. Well oh well ...

Quote: opus

I didn’t communicate with interesting people. / This conclusion was made by me only on the comments, "pink so." sorry again).

Your right to think so.

Quote: opus

hanging tanks installed on the T-50-9

We read it thoughtfully, especially for those who communicate with interesting people and deliver equipment to plants ...

Quote: NEXUS

According to the director NIIP Yuri Belykh, the latest radar N036, released by the pilot production of the institute, is installed on a T-50-9 aircraft. Future aircraft will be equipped with radars produced by JSC "State Ryazan Instrument Plant".

Well, okay ... Anton, instead of answering me through the lip here (excuse me for being straightforward), maybe you just make your face simpler.
By the way, my "pink comments", as you called them, at the same time, as I understand it, you DID NOT bother to read them from the word at all, they have their own basis and confirmation. But I repeat, your right to think both about me and about my comments and opinions as you please. At the same time, I reserve the right to draw conclusions to your account as well.
Therefore, excuse me, you have become not interesting to me either as an interlocutor or as a competent and intelligent person. Best wishes to you.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

That's it, THINK BRAINS,

no, you generate stupid "approval" and carry utter nonsense
just read (carefully), here:
https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&u
serid = 64122
I'm not vaf and not "ancient": I have political correctness = 0 "

Quote: NEXUS

only here your conclusion is not true. Oh well ...

People ... nothing to fart: screen of income statement, VAT return, office table for VAT refund, crossed out supply agreement for UAS, or ... (w)
Well, or account number in Sberbank

in accordance with the Federal Law of 05.04.2013 No. 44-ФЗ “On the Contract System in the Sphere of Procurement of Goods, Works, and Services for Ensuring State and Municipal Needs” and the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of 20.09.2014 No. 963 “On the Implementation of Banking Contract Support”.

at least the first (!!!) e 7 positions.
weak?
fizdet ... it’s so not to roll bags
Is a blogger a dyusha state?

Quote: NEXUS

We read thoughtfully

where?
About PTB?
so I myself know it.
Nothing so that the T-50-11 took off BEFORE the T-50-10?
Well, at No. 10 and they are trying to establish a semblance (or what happened there

Quote: NEXUS

Future aircraft will be equipped with radars produced by JSC "State Ryazan Instrument Plant".

Quote: NEXUS

THINKEDLY NOT BETTER TO READ

why read them?
about 3M22 flying "right on 1000, maybe 1500km"?
so O. Kaptsov will explain this stupidity
or about sho about LA 6th generation going into space?

Quote: NEXUS

Therefore, excuse me, you have not become interested in me

Yes ....
Are you interested in me?
THAN?
Read again (from cover to cover)
https://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&u
serid = 64122
diagnosis:

Excuse me .... I got stupid.
Then Comrade Smirnov fined me for "rams"


In vain and not lawfully.
You want this:

ffpered.
stupid people rejoice and believe that this is the norm: the President is engaged in a garbage dump, piping water to a grandmother in a house, dear to the mouth of Zhopsk.
Live in pink.
To me that ...

[Odysseus]

Quote: Egorovich

Invisibility now seems to be of paramount importance, and the SU-35 is not worse in quality than the SU-57, but much cheaper

It’s clear that the modernization of the Su-27 with PFAR shining on radars like a New Year’s boat is “no worse” than the Su-57
. That's just the question of backfilling, why did the Su-35s who have been desperately trying to sell anyone for dumping prices for 7 years so nobody bought (except for the PRC, which took one regiment "for testing"), and Rafal and Typhoon are worth more than 1,5, 57 times more expensive and in no way claiming equality with the Su-XNUMX are sold successfully?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Odyssey

. That's just the question of backfilling, why is the Su-35 which has been desperately trying for 7 years to bet anyone at dumping prices so no one bought it

Desperately no one throws in the SU-35th. In fact, the 35th was adopted not so long ago, even before adoption, it was already purchased serially for the VKS. Now the car is being finished and modernized. At the same time, they buy a reliable and proven SU-30, which, although inferior to the 35th, but not by much. At the same time, the SU-30 is also being modernized. That is, there is a regular and planned saturation of our airborne forces with new fighters, to replace the old ones.

[Odysseus]

Quote: NEXUS

Desperately no one throws in the SU-35th.

Exactly what they are desperate for. The UAE is already offering (and it’s the same as the United States selling them), and at ridiculous prices.
So they don’t take it. It’s all probably because he “is not inferior to the Su-57”.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Odyssey

Exactly what they are desperate for. The UAE is already offering (and it’s the same as the United States selling them), and at ridiculous prices.

A strange statement ... if sclerosis does not fail me, the UAE has not yet decided on the number of cars that they want to buy ... as far as the "ridiculous price", then if you recall the contract with Indonesia for the supply of SU-35 ...

It should be noted that in November 2015, the Indonesian government approved the purchase from Russia of 12 Su-35 multi-functional fighters. 11 cars are planned to be delivered for $ 1,14 billion by 2019.

That is 103 million apiece ... well, I don’t know how ridiculous the price is ...

Quote: Odyssey

So they don’t take it. It’s all probably because he “is not inferior to the Su-57”.

A memorandum of intent to buy the United Arab Emirates Russian fighters of the 4 generation ++ Su-35 was signed by the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov and the Minister of Defense, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi Sheikh Mohammed bin Zeyid Al Nahyanian in February 2017 of the year in the exhibition of ID weapons in the United States of Indem.
Later, an official representative of the Federal High-Tech Transport Service of Russia told RIA Novosti that this contract could be signed before the end of 2017.

[Odysseus]

Quote: NEXUS

A strange statement ... if sclerosis does not fail me, the UAE has not yet decided on even the number of cars that they want to buy

Why is it strange? When you yourself write that the Su-35 UAE offer , and this means a desire to sell to anyone, including US satellites.

Quote: NEXUS

That is 103 million apiece ... well, I don’t know how ridiculous the price is ...

Contracts have not been signed. So far, in fact, there is a sale of 24 boards in China for $ 2 billion.
Compare, for example, with the sale of 24 Rafale to Egypt for 3,5 billion euros.
Indonesia, on the other hand, wants the fighters to barter on its goods (coffee, rubber).

[askort154]

According to the schedule, the first flight with a new engine, "product 30", the Su-57 should be completed in the 4th quarter of 2017. It would be a good gift for the New Year. There is not much. We wait!

[Going]

All the same, we don’t yet find out reliable information, and don’t need to, let those who should be let know.

[Mihanishche]

Here it is! While the Americans are tormented with their unfinished F-35 for a lot of money, we made the Su-57 for little money !!! Which for a generation surpasses all American developments.

[Rushnairfors]

Mikhanishche and you compared them? It’s just the expert’s opinion that’s interesting .... Why is the Su57 cooler than f22? The composition of avionics, weapons, LTH?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Why is the su57 cooler than f22? The composition of avionics, weapons, LTH?

The lizard has one AFAR versus 5 AFARs in the SU-57. The lizard has a thrust vector only in the vertical, and the SU-57 has all-angle nozzles. A new arsenal has been developed for our machine, in which the "long arm" is significantly longer than that of the pangolin. The maximum distance without refueling at the 57th at subsonic cruising speed:
with 63% of fuel: 2700 km
with 100% of fuel: 4300 km
with 2 PTB: 5500 km
At the pangolin
Range:
with two anti-tank missiles: 2960 km
Ferry: 3220 km
At the same time, the SU-57 is a multi-purpose vehicle that can not only work to gain supremacy in the air, but also on the surface, on naval targets, etc., that is, it was originally designed as an IFI, unlike the F-22, which was created with One goal is to gain air supremacy.

[Rushnairfors]

Andrei, I want to believe all this, I don’t even doubt the flight characteristics - our aerodynamic school has always been stronger than the US and European ones, but the characteristics of radar systems and avionics in general are still in doubt, I just have info from friends

[NEXUS]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Andrei, I want to believe all this, I don’t even doubt the flight characteristics - our aerodynamic school has always been stronger than the US and European ones, but the characteristics of radar systems and avionics in general are still in doubt, I just have info from friends

Dmitry, the project is still classified in essence ... we have Rogozin’s statements, an interview with a test pilot and a video of the prototype flight. And that's all. What they put there and which performance characteristics we will not know soon. What has been voiced is already better than that of the pangolin and this cannot but rejoice.

[Rushnairfors]

Well, voiced is not the ultimate truth. I will say this - if I were interviewed, I would also never say that the 22m3 is an old man who needs to retire, that they have a nose with me, that they are streaking and no replacement is expected, I would say that this is the best plane on In the light of the likes of which no country has any, I would present Hephaestus as a miracle of engineering, x32 in general as a technology of the 22nd century, I exaggerate of course, but you naturally understand the essence. Well, Bogdan cannot say that the Su57 is damp, that on engines from the 35th it does not give out the declared characteristics, that there are problems with the radio communication complex, that not all the nomenclature of weapons is present, and so on. And I think it’s right, it should be so. Well, I’m sorry, but I don’t take seriously people like Rogozin.

[opus]

Quote: NEXUS

. We have Rogozin statements

Statements Olegicha ... it's certainly cool
1.One-time Vostochny cosmodrome
2. Trampolines
3. "statements"




and such .. as many 14 pages.
4.What ram (again, will I get the number 9) can trust the statements of an individual on SU-57?
having

Studied at specialized school number 59 with in-depth study of French (now GBOU SOSH No. 1286) then, in connection with the relocation of parents, I moved to No. 73 (now GBOU SOSH No. 1244) with in-depth study of the French language. Engaged in basketball and handball (master of sports). In 1978 joined the Komsomol. In the ninth grade entered the School Young Journalist at the Faculty of Journalism, Moscow State University named after M. Lomonosov.

In the year 1981and the international department of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University. He was a trainee correspondent in the main editorial office of the Central Television and Radio Television of the USSR and in the main editorial office of Latin America in the Novosti Press Agency. He has a philological and economic education. In 1986, he graduated with honors from the international department of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University, for the first time in the history of the faculty he defended two theses at once.

1988 year with honors Graduated from the Faculty of Economics of the University of Marxism-Leninism under the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU.

In the spring of 1981 of the year, in the last grade of high school, Rogozin decided to enter the acting department of the All-Union State Institute of Cinematography (VGIK) [112]: he successfully passed all stages of the creative competition, but eventually changed his mind about learning the actor [108], [132], [130] (for other information - it was not accepted by [106]).

Doctor of Technical Sciences
Doctoral find-believe

Quote: NEXUS

we have Rogozin statements

[Rushnairfors]

And again, “there is no money, but you are holding on”, they don’t seem to offend the army and the defense with money now, but the decline in purchases and modernization is noticeable, we have slowed down with Hephaestos, Su30 flights are less frequent on Irkut, there is infa that there are 5 ready-made boards , but they can’t pick them up. MO did not pay denyuzhki. In the light of all this, I’m trying to figure out how many 57x we can buy, and which shelves will become the happy owners of this device - so far it turns out, no more than 30-40 pieces, in parts, 929GLITS and Lipchane, the rest Otsos Petrovich will put su35, su30cm and blink35 (hopefully). "Friends" are still in good isolation from us, by the way they constantly upgrade their f22, according to rumors the Raptor is a very decent aircraft, it shows itself well.

[abc_alex]

Do you need to make them hundreds? Still, no one has yet proven that the US "fifth generation" is better than the 27-29 family in its current form. In my opinion, the basis of the fighter aircraft fleet should be light MiG-35s, for high-quality reinforcement, the Su-35 should be used, and for special operations the Su-57.
To form a fleet of fighter aircraft only from heavy fighters, no country in the world can afford. Even the USA. So lots of 10-20 cars a year for the Su-57, in my opinion, are quite justified.

[Vadim237]

Given that this new aircraft costs 4 billion rubles apiece, it will go to the troops in very limited numbers - if at all.

[tomket]

Quote: Mikhanishche

Here it is! While the Americans are tormented with their unfinished F-35 for a lot of money, we made the Su-57 for little money !!! Which for a generation surpasses all American developments.

By the way, does Su-57 go for the Air Force, ILC and Fleet?)))) Is there a vertical take-off for the Su-57?))))

[Nemesis]

Russia needs about 200 of such machines, and not 12-15 ...

[Vadim237]

Well, help Russia - just donate 800 billion rubles for the purchase of 200 such aircraft.

[Nemesis]

Isn’t it better to finally send Chubais to the prison bunk, with the confiscation of property ?! He has been missing him for a long time ...

[tomket]

Quote: Nemesis

Russia needs about 200 of such machines, and not 12-15 ...

Yes, it is not yet known whether Russia needs them. We still do not really know what happened on the output, and whether it will work at all ..... Given the constant shifts.

[Nemesis]

If you take into account how much time the aircraft was tested, then it would be time for people like you to decide ...

[Town Hall]

Bondarev: the Russian fifth-generation fighter T-50 will enter the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2017 году

Army and defense industry December 27, 2015, 11:28
In total, the military should get 2020 fifth-generation fighters by 55.


MOSCOW, December 27. / TASS /. The fifth-generation Russian fighter T-50 PAK FA (Advanced Frontline Aviation Complex) will enter service in 2017. Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, said this on the Russia 24 television channel.
"We are this plane in 2017 We plan to get it already in the year, "he said. The goal that is set for the latest technology is to" ease the pilot’s work, solve several problems in one flight, both on land and by air. "



Is this the same person?


TECHNOLOGIES AND MEDIA, JAN 24, 2015 11:04
The T-50 fighter will arrive at the Air Force as scheduled - in 2016
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The fifth generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) will arrive in the Russian air forces on the planned date, that is, in 2016 year, confirmed at a meeting with veterans of the Barnaul Higher Military Aviation School, disbanded in 2006, the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force of Russia, Colonel General Viktor Bondarev.







Does he say this every year?

[Town Hall]

Quote: Town Hall

Bondarev: the Russian fifth-generation fighter T-50 will enter the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2017 году

Army and defense industry December 27, 2015, 11:28
In total, the military should get 2020 fifth-generation fighters by 55.


MOSCOW, December 27. / TASS /. The fifth-generation Russian fighter T-50 PAK FA (Advanced Frontline Aviation Complex) will enter service in 2017. Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, said this on the Russia 24 television channel.
"We are this plane in 2017 We plan to get it already in the year, "he said. The goal that is set for the latest technology is to" ease the pilot’s work, solve several problems in one flight, both on land and by air. "



Is this the same person?


TECHNOLOGIES AND MEDIA, JAN 24, 2015 11:04
The T-50 fighter will arrive at the Air Force as scheduled - in 2016
Read full version
The fifth generation fighter T-50 (PAK FA) will arrive in the Russian air forces on the planned date, that is, in 2016 year, confirmed at a meeting with veterans of the Barnaul Higher Military Aviation School, disbanded in 2006, the Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force of Russia, Colonel General Viktor Bondarev.







Does he say this every year?

Viktor Bondarev: VKS RF will receive the first five T-50 in 2017

October 14 2016

Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, announced that the first new generation T-50 fighters (PAK FA) will begin to join the Russian Air Force next year. Interfax cites the statement of the commander of the Russian Aerospace Forces:


".. Next year we will complete its (5th generation fighter) test. In this contract, the first five planes are included in the contract price. Therefore, next year we will begin to receive these first five planes ..."


Without words....

[Antidote]

Oh, that Bondarev.

[Ryazan87]

but still believe. People tend to believe in the best.
1. So far, the problem with the engine of stage 2 has not been resolved, i.e. until the product has passed the full cycle of successful tests and is not mass-produced, then there’s nothing to chat about.
This is not to mention the issues with armament and radar (and there he is also an Achtung).

[Odysseus]

Gr. Bondarev is the author of a large number of brilliant statements, but here he surpassed himself.
If pre-production begins in 2019, how will the T-50 be adopted in 2018?
Until now, the Air Force has had the practice of adopting aircraft already in serial production after carrying out a full range of tests (for example, the Su-35 was adopted only this year).
True, from the point of view of PR, the idea lies on the surface - you can take something into service, report back and then forget about it

[Young_Communist]

Bondarev: Su-57 will be adopted in 2018 year

Exactly?

[chidoryan]

It is interesting, when the SU-57 comes into service in series and in fact, and not as test samples or rare piece copies for advertising, the sixth generation will already begin testing in the States or China itself?

[tomket]

Under Stalin, Bondar would have gone to the sawmill for a long time, and the Sukhoi Design Bureau moved into a sharashka. To be honest, already annoying these annual adoption next year.

[Runoway]

No need to chat about lack of money
Why do we need the 57th? If anything we use super-weapons, such as the Zenith arena, Sochi facilities (again we will throw medals of adversary), the Turkish nuclear power plant, and indeed all those states for which we have forgiven debts and much more will fight for us