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Tank units of the Southern Military District will be part of reconnaissance-strike circuits

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В новом учебном году в tank подразделениях соединений и воинских частей Южного округа будут осваиваться новые методики боевой подготовки, сообщает press office YuVO.


Tank units of the Southern Military District will be part of reconnaissance-strike circuits


Colonel-General Alexander Dvornikov, commander of the Southern Military District troops, set the task of “developing and putting into practice exercises and standards designed to train tank units for use in reconnaissance-strike circuits.”

Accuracy is the main slogan of the upcoming winter period of training, and it must be followed not only by soldiers of artillery units, but also by tank units,
said Janitors at a videoconference with the commanders of the associations, commanders of the formations and military units.

All tank units, it is important to master the tactics of combat in the reconnaissance-strike circuit,
added on.

It is reported that “the practice of using the capabilities of a tank equipment designed for reconnaissance of targets was first used in one of the units of the 58 Army General stationed in the North Caucasus: the gunner of the T-72B3 performed reconnaissance of targets at night at a distance of about 4 thousands meters. " The data were transferred to the command post, and then to the firing position of the mortar battery.

According to the press service, in the summer period of training in the South Pacific Military District units more than 180 reconnaissance-fire and reconnaissance-shock circuits were prepared.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 29 November 2017 13: 39 New
    +5
    Not a tanker. Can therefore and it is not clear what kind of circuit for this ??? And where is the dashing kaval ... tank attacks and jumping over ditches and bridges request
    which films they will shoot, sho show ... how tankers sit in ambush and play on computers negative
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 29 November 2017 13: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Not a tanker. Can therefore and it is not clear what kind of circuit for this ???

      I am a tanker, but I also do not understand the commander and his "contour". I know about the contour of the target in conditions of poor visibility, and we shoot at it. And it’s also interesting in what form the gunner transmitted data about the target. And it is not clear if he saw that he had not destroyed?
      1. Maz
        Maz 29 November 2017 19: 32 New
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        Shaw is not clear there. A tank rides, above it on a cable with a wire flies a drone or a copter hung with sensors at a height of one hundred meters. It sees everything in a circular fashion — it is crushed, if necessary, at the choice of the contour commander, and with the weapon that he has chosen from his subordinate and supporting units. Fast, far unnoticed. Copter is not a tank. And by wire, control interception is excluded. Enough mounted generator in defense, and in motion from the tank's engine. Ideal for a battalion tactical group. If you increase the length of the wires to five hundred meters - a regimental scout's dream.
        1. kirgiz58
          kirgiz58 29 November 2017 19: 51 New
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          Quote: Maz
          A tank rides, above it on a cable with a wire flies a drone or a copter hung with sensors at a height of one hundred meters.

          I also love fiction laughing
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 November 2017 13: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      Not a tanker. Can therefore and it is not clear what kind of circuit for this ??? And where is the dashing kaval ... tank attacks and jumping over ditches and bridges

      A very necessary contour. smile Instead of dashing cavalry attacks on ATGMs and anti-tank systems in general, tanks become ersatz-PRP capable of more or less accurately and quickly issuing a command and control center for artillery - for those purposes for which firing from a tank gun is either impossible or undesirable. In short, theoretically, this drastically reduces the time from detection to destruction / suppression of the detected target by artillery fire. And excludes situations like landmark bachu - the goal is not bachu.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 November 2017 14: 14 New
        +4
        Not a tanker, but by electronic reconnaissance, target designation special (when it was), of course, not in the land-landed sphere, but the principles are the same.
        So at that I cheated a little bit, nostalgia for old wonderful films.
        "The guy from our city" and BT's jumping over the river. et was UH !!!
        And yes, such an explanation is enough for me that a tank can be a scout and Schaub doesn’t disclose a position; it corrects artillery, aviation and, in general, becomes a link in the modern combat control system.
        So you need to learn, study and improve everything, everything, everything!
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 29 November 2017 15: 35 New
        +2
        Quote: kirgiz58
        I am a tanker, but I also do not understand the commander and his "contour".

        Quote: Alexey RA
        A very necessary contour.

        Well, you don’t understand ... request
        After all, nowadays, innovations in fashion, both necessary, real, and verbal, are for the greater importance.
        This "circuit" is true of what used to be called interaction.
        Here the innovation is real exactly what they don’t report: how the target designation from the tank was implemented.
        If the voice over radio means, over the "snail" with a probable error of 200 meters, then the "circuit" is already a hundred years in the afternoon.
        If modern technical means of reconnaissance of targets were applied and the data was transferred in the form of a graphic file with exact coordinates, or at least just the exact coordinates of the target, then this is innovation and success.
        And if the exact data obtained by the tank’s gunner on-line was transferred to the control center and to the mortar battery and while charging automatically the order to hit the target came automatically - this is some kind of “network-centrism”. yes
        I do not think that he (centrism) has already been reached in the army, but we must strive for this!
    3. strannik1985
      strannik1985 29 November 2017 14: 12 New
      +2
      The tank gunner scouted and gave the coordinates of the target with the help of Pine-U. All.
      1. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 29 November 2017 17: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: strannik1985
        The tank gunner scouted and gave the coordinates of the target with the help of Pine-U. All.

        Scouted (discovered) here I agree. But how did he determine the coordinates of the target with the help of Pine for artillery, or "on the farm! Where did the platoon tripper pick up! Tube 15! Sight 120!"? laughing A sight can only determine the range, but not the coordinates of the target. With the help of hemorrhoids calculations, of course, the coordinates can also be calculated, but for some reason I’m sure that this gunner doesn’t even know how to “read” the topographic map, and even less so.
        1. strannik1985
          strannik1985 29 November 2017 18: 51 New
          +1
          If it’s possible with respect to a landmark, either he himself appointed and gave a distance with respect to it, or he had a unit’s fire pattern (for example, small and medium defense in defense) with landmarks.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 November 2017 19: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: kirgiz58
          But how did he determine the coordinates of the target with the help of Pine for artillery, or "on the farm! Where did the platoon tripper pick up! Tube 15! Sight 120!"? laughing A sight can only determine the range, but not the coordinates of the target. With the help of hemorrhoids calculations, of course, the coordinates can also be calculated, but for some reason I’m sure that this gunner doesn’t even know how to “read” the topographic map, and even less so.

          And why should a tanker bother with a map in the presence of GLONASS? smile
          The tank’s task is not to provide ready-made data for firing. The task of the tank is to give the gunners their current coordinates from the GLONASS receiver, as well as the azimuth and range to the target from the sight. All further calculations are for artillery. They have the coordinates of the base point and a vector from this point, allowing you to determine the coordinates of the target.
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 29 November 2017 19: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The task of the tank is to give the gunners their current coordinates from the GLONASS receiver, as well as the azimuth and range to the target from the sight.

            Of course, I am sincerely flattered by your high assessment of the capabilities of tankers, but have glonass receivers already been installed in tanks (smarts are not good smile) I wrote that only 4 crews in a company can guaranteed to “tie” a tank and accordingly give an azimuth to the target; KR + 3 kW. Ask on the forum which tanker’s gunners will be able to prepare data for firing with a PDO; none of the conscripts are 100%; of the contract soldiers for 2 people smile more. Half already don’t even know "blow in a thousand" - only "froze, shot, reset."
        3. First iron-faced
          First iron-faced 29 November 2017 19: 49 New
          +1
          And the navigation equipment of the tank for what? It is based on an inertial system of topographic and geodetic reference (+ satellite navigation receiver). You only transmit your coordinates, azimuth and range to the target from the sight on the fire battery. The elevation and the coordinates of the target should not bother you, on the battery all one will put your target on the map and remove the height of the place there. It’s your business to correct breaks, for example, to the cardinal points.

          http://voennizdat.com/ychebn/rykovod/Yshebrykovod
          19.pdf
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 29 November 2017 19: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: First iron-faced
            And the navigation equipment of the tank for what?

            TNA-3 is only on machines with index K, i.e. only on the commander’s, of which one battalion has one unit in the battalion. The rest of the GPK-49 or something similar (gyro-feed). Do not wishful thinking. I endlessly if tankers learn to interact with other genera. This is the basis of the organization of battle.
            1. First iron-faced
              First iron-faced 29 November 2017 20: 17 New
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              Question: who doesn’t go skiing, because in sights with a laser range finder the built-in gyrocompass should be used by default (well, or at least magnetic), or is the l / s still not familiar with the capabilities of the equipment (the notorious materiel)?
              1. kirgiz58
                kirgiz58 29 November 2017 20: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: First iron-faced
                because in sights with a laser rangefinder, the built-in gyrocompass should be used by default

                There are only gyroscopes in the sight, but not gyrocompasses, and they serve to stabilize the aiming line (after the shot, the gun goes to the hydraulic stop, and the sight remains to look at the target, after the end of the loading cycle, the bore is combined with the sight). Well, the laser rangefinder only measures the distance and gives the info to the ballistic computer. This is if rude. There is no equipment in the tank for determining the coordinates of the target, only the map and the brains of the platoon and company (+ ruler)
                1. First iron-faced
                  First iron-faced 29 November 2017 20: 48 New
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                  Quote: kirgiz58
                  There is no equipment in the tank for determining the coordinates of the target ...

                  It cannot be ...
                  Quote: First iron-faced
                  You only pass on the fire battery your coordinates, azimuth and range to the target with a sight. The elevation and the coordinates of the target should not bother you, on the battery all one will put your target on the map and remove the height of the place there. It's your business to correct the gaps ...
                  1. kirgiz58
                    kirgiz58 29 November 2017 21: 09 New
                    +1
                    Quote: First iron-faced
                    You only transmit your coordinates, azimuth and range to the target from the gunsight [i] on the fire battery [i].

                    their coordinates - where to get them if the map is only starting from the platoon, the azimuth to the target - how to determine if the tank is not “attached” plus the azimuth pointer in the tank has an accuracy of 0.5 degrees (the scale of the device is divided by 1 degree, calculate the error and deviation by 4 km) , only the range remains - it’s easy, which I wrote about right away. A tank company is not an art for you. battery. Count how many people there are preparing data for shooting, starting from a simple rangefinder and ending with a battery commander, and in artillery the gun commander is “mathematically” higher than the tank commander. In the course of firing from a tank there is the topic “platoon shooting at long range”, but there a platoon prepares everything, the right tank only puts 100 more on its own, and the left tank itself 100 less.
                2. First iron-faced
                  First iron-faced 29 November 2017 21: 07 New
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                  Darkly Are you sure that gyroscopes do not simultaneously perform functions in the navigation system and weapon stabilization sister? And the gyrocompass is a rather compact thing, right up to the portable one, and you might not have noticed its indication when looking through the eyepieces?
                  1. kirgiz58
                    kirgiz58 29 November 2017 21: 13 New
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                    Quote: First iron-faced
                    Darkly

                    Nothing is gloomy. The tank is not intended for this, its task is direct fire. Artillery has much more means and capabilities, this is their task. Isolated cases (what is given) do not count. It’s just the organization of interaction, which is not an innovative idea, it is a MANDATORY element in preparing for the battle.
                    1. First iron-faced
                      First iron-faced 29 November 2017 21: 27 New
                      +1
                      Yes, but the mortar support (hinged tr.) Is affected in the article, which is important for tank crews in counteracting the enemy infantry hiding in the terrain with anti-tank weapons. Of course, nothing innovative, but I would like to have expanded capabilities for tank crews (even in terms of tactical autonomy, although they cannot do without their infantry).
                      1. kirgiz58
                        kirgiz58 29 November 2017 21: 59 New
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                        Quote: First iron-faced
                        but I would like enhanced capabilities for tank crews

                        What am I against? And for expanding opportunities and for deep training in tank skills on what is now, and not for stupid coaching for an exercise.
            2. First iron-faced
              First iron-faced 29 November 2017 20: 31 New
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              And, in my opinion, in bat there are at least 4 cars with the index "K" (3 company).
              1. kirgiz58
                kirgiz58 29 November 2017 20: 40 New
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                The company has a simple linear machine. In K-ashka there is still an additional HF radio network, the company does not have such a network. It works on VHF
  2. izya top
    izya top 29 November 2017 13: 43 New
    +3
    and cho, it’s logical yes arrived in brussels on a tank, and they’ll immediately tell you everything that interests intelligence bully
    1. cniza
      cniza 29 November 2017 13: 56 New
      +1
      They will behave this way in relation to Russia, as if we would come.
  3. VladGashek
    VladGashek 29 November 2017 13: 47 New
    +1
    He was familiar with a man who served in the Transbaikalia in the 22 reconnaissance brigade. So there the tanks were introduced into reconnaissance battalions. I do not know if the effect of such a decision was positive, but fact is fact. I think now the continuation of such an experiment, but without experiments with a change in the staff structure. Let's see what the result will be.
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 29 November 2017 13: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Vladgashek
      So there the tanks were introduced into reconnaissance battalions.

      So no one canceled reconnaissance in battle. And the tanks are appropriate here, especially the T-90 for the opening of anti-tank equipment (fishing by live bait smile )
    2. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 29 November 2017 23: 12 New
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      Quote: Vladgashek
      He was familiar with a man who served in the Transbaikalia in the 22 reconnaissance brigade. So there the tanks were introduced into reconnaissance battalions. I do not know if the effect of such a decision was positive, but fact is fact. I think now the continuation of such an experiment, but without experiments with a change in the staff structure. Let's see what the result will be.

      Again the Americans were stripped off, look at the full-time structure and appointment of the BKVP NE of the USA (now only one remained in Germany, and in the ХV years, about a dozen were in the regular units and in the national guard), I hope our Razv.Br. their prototypes will be ....
      1. First iron-faced
        First iron-faced 30 November 2017 04: 52 New
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        Of course, there were not a dozen of them, at least at the end of the 2000th century, there were three separate BRKPs. Now there are two “striker” brigades in the form (without tanks) and one training. In addition to the United States and in addition to the BRM, tanks were also used in the Bundeswehr divisional reconnaissance reconnaissance battalions (until the early 10s) and today in the BKPR in France, but the AMX-6RC BRM (6xXNUMX).
        1. MOSKVITYANIN
          MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 21: 02 New
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          First iron-faced at least at the end of the XB, there were three separate BRKP

          According to the foreign military press, in the U.S. Army seven separate armored cavalry regiments (OBKPP): three in the regular army and four in the national guard. According to the mentioned program, these regiments are also being transferred to a new organizational and staffing structure, and they are adopting modern weapons and military equipment. At the beginning of the 1988 year, all regiments of the regular army were already transferred to new states. The completion of the transfer of the National Guard regiments and their rearmament is scheduled for the end of the 1990 year.

          Foreign Military Review No.8 1989 .С. 17-23
          http://pentagonus.ru/publ/otdelnyj_bronekavalerij
          skij_polk_sukhoputnykh_vojsk_ssha / 3-1-0-1397
          On the couch are the magazines "ZVO" from 1976 (stayed from a neighbor), of course there is a greater number indicated, too lazy to look ....
          Now there are two "striker" brigades in the form (without tanks) and one training.

          By no means.
          By the beginning of the 2014 year, the American military presence in Europe was reduced to 24 thousand people. The number of ground forces units decreased to only two brigades (173-I US Airborne Brigade in Italy and 2 Cavalry Regiment in Germany) All army, corps and division headquarters were disbanded.

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83%D1%85%
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          List of the main US military units

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          now at least 2 brkvp
          1. First iron-faced
            First iron-faced 30 November 2017 21: 54 New
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            Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
            Foreign Military Review No. 8 1989 .FROM. 17-23

            So in the yard 2017 year!

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army#
            Combat_maneuver_organizations

            - we find in the table links to the 2nd and 3rd cav. shelves and further on the pages opened by links we find structural diagrams of these parts.
            1. MOSKVITYANIN
              MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 22: 49 New
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              First iron-faced So that's the year 2017!

              Stop trolling ...
              This is your comment.
              Now there are two "striker" brigades in the form (without tanks) and one training.

              This is the answer to it.
              By no means.
              By the beginning of the 2014 year, the American military presence in Europe was reduced to 24 thousand people. The number of ground forces units decreased to only two brigades (the 173th US Airborne Brigade in Italy and the 2th Cavalry Regiment in Germany). All army, corps and division headquarters were disbanded.

              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83%D1%85%
              D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B2%
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              %D0%B2_%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5
              List of the main US military units

              https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D1%80%D0%BC%
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              Further, I do not see the point of communicating with you
              1. First iron-faced
                First iron-faced 30 November 2017 23: 43 New
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                And this is someone?! ...
                Quote: MOSKVITYANIN
                ... look staff structure and appointment BKVP NE USA (now one remained only in Germany, and in the years of the ХV about a dozen was both in regular units and in the national guard ...

                Are you adequate, no, or just stupid? What is the journal ZVO for 1989, when the OShS and the purpose of these units have long changed? In their state no tanks, BRM, 155-mm self-propelled guns and helicopters, now these are the Stryker brigades (infantry, to be understood, motorized infantry), but with the traditional name of the "cavalry regiment." And what does the part with a deployment in Europe, when two out of three (1 training) are based in the United States. Follow the link given earlier and make sure that these are two Stryker brigades.

                And in the US Army there are three types of combat units, excluding individual parts of combat and rear support, NO old armored cavalry regiments ...

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reorganization_plan
                _of_United_States_Army # Modular_Combat_Brigades
                1. MOSKVITYANIN
                  MOSKVITYANIN 30 November 2017 23: 46 New
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                  First iron-faced just stupid?

                  Tell your dad ....
                  You wrote that NOW in the United States there is no BRKWP, I gave you a link that there are two .....
                  1. First iron-faced
                    First iron-faced 1 December 2017 00: 02 New
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                    Link ... And before that they didn’t write about it, you got it already with your long and stupid answers, and with the same self-made abbreviations ...
                    brsquaren - type ATV (at least in the same ZVO looked).

                    Quote: First iron-faced
                    ... while retaining the traditional name "cavalry regiment".


                    Adyos!
                    1. MOSKVITYANIN
                      MOSKVITYANIN 1 December 2017 07: 18 New
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                      First iron-lined BRKVP - like ATV (at least in the same ZVO looked).

                      Some work in addition to sitting on the VO site and trolling ...
                      I cited references that during the Cold War (at the very end), the USA had 7 armored regiments, you write that there were three without references, unlike me ....
                      You wrote that now the United States does not have such units, I provided links that there are at least two ....
                      What else is needed to prove that your comments are from the evil one ....
                      1. First iron-faced
                        First iron-faced 1 December 2017 09: 42 New
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                        For especially impassable: There WAS 4 (1 in NG), i.e. 3 regular. And why did the dodgy liars "ten" deftly turned into 7, and "only one in Germany" suddenly "minimum two "but from the end of the 7th century you’ve made it, I’ll get back to you from the ZVO. By the way, the Soviet Military Publishing Office christened them armored cavalry, to more fully indicate in the original Cavalry (translate ?!), as well light motorized infantry bat-mi US MP began to be called Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion (light armored reconnaissance battles on BM LAV-25) - is the difference visible?
                        From the former OShS of the former armored cavalry
                        There were no regiments left, as you tried to bring it up referring to the 1989 ZVO of the year, and that in fact this is now a different type of formation, they brought you a link.
                      2. First iron-faced
                        First iron-faced 1 December 2017 20: 58 New
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                        Quote: First iron-faced
                        Of course, there were not a dozen of them, at least at the end of the 2000th century, there were three separate BRKPs. Now there are two “striker” brigades in the form (without tanks) and one training. In addition to the United States and in addition to the BRM, tanks were also used in the Bundeswehr divisional reconnaissance reconnaissance battalions (until the early 10s) and today in the BKPR in France, but the AMX-6RC BRM (6xXNUMX).

                        - From here it takes only a purely rhetorical question: What is it that in the end it turned out to be wrong for me, that someone was so blown up? - it remains a mystery to me.

                        PS: And the "verbal volume" below even reads laziness.
  4. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 November 2017 13: 47 New
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    In fact, these experiments are sometimes baffled! I want to see a reconnaissance tank which secretly sneaks through swamps at night, or through mountains, in a huge camouflage suit, quietly rumbling a turbine from rock to rock over night without insurance! lol In short, someone is inventing a way to create the impossible, because reconnaissance on a tank, especially in the deep rear of the enemy, is definitely a quick destruction of the tank as a combat unit.
    1. scrap123
      scrap123 29 November 2017 14: 02 New
      +1
      10 more reconnaissance aircraft to the tank, a mechanic, a tank driver, and a drone pilot
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 29 November 2017 14: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Herkulesich
      In fact, these experiments are sometimes baffled! I want to see a reconnaissance tank which secretly sneaks through swamps at night, or through mountains, in a huge camouflage suit, quietly rumbling a turbine from rock to rock over night without insurance!

      Well, to the point of absurdity is not necessary. smile
      PMSM, here we are talking about something else: if a tank from the reconnaissance patrol, a gas processing plant or the same tank on the defensive, when inspecting the terrain, has found a target and cannot hit it from a gun - physically or not wanting to unmask the position - then, being included in the RUK contour, it can to give TSU for artillery (more or less accurate and understandable, but not in style half a finger to the left of the birch visible only from the tank) And artillery / mortars can suppress this target faster and more accurately - the same ATGM calculation will not be able to leave the position after the first breaks in the distance.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 29 November 2017 14: 07 New
        +1
        And before, what was different? A tank cannot paralyze a target, these goals are passed down the chain. Tankers are busy with their goal of “processing” aviation! What is the difference? ????
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 29 November 2017 14: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Herkulesich
          And before, what was different? Tank, cannot paralyze the target, these goals are passed down the chain. Tankers are busy with their goal of “processing” aviation!

          The key is highlighted. I understand that the inclusion of a tank in the RUK circuit means that digital data will come to the gunners from the tankers - the current position of the tank + azimuth-range of the detected target relative to the tank. But not "voice message""pshshsh ... the goal is the calculation pshshsh ... ATGM, ori pshshsh ... ir - the old shit ... for, a little to the left and pshshsh ... to pshshsh ...". smile
          And it will be again:
          - Bear, do you bounce the target?
          - I don’t bach, I don’t bach, I bach landmarks, I don’t bach goals!
  5. BAI
    BAI 29 November 2017 14: 14 New
    +2
    It seems that the modernization of the army begins to come down to the invention of new terms. Automation has already been done.
  6. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 29 November 2017 15: 01 New
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    Contour, or call it something else, the main thing is to train day and night.
  7. First iron-faced
    First iron-faced 29 November 2017 16: 16 New
    +1
    It is more about reconnaissance-strike groups (RUG) / mixed-composition patrols consisting of MBT and BMP. For example, an ISF reconnaissance platoon of 3 BMPs is reinforced by a tank crew (1 MBT) of TB, and a regiment / brigade reconnaissance is respectively a tank platoon. Although, in exchange, companies are planning to introduce reconnaissance battalions, probably also of mixed composition, into the combined-arms brigades (tank, motorized rifle), i.e. already with regular tanks. The corresponding level of tank unit crews is attached (art. And mortar adjustment).
  8. abc_alex
    abc_alex 29 November 2017 19: 53 New
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    In my opinion, a very sound concept. Tank as a designator for batteries of howitzers, heavy mortars or MLRS. This is justified not only in terms of artillery, but also in terms of tank units. Having behind you a responsive powerful fire support capable of delivering strikes in real-time control, is this not a dream?

    And to protect the area, too, in my opinion, a very positive thing. The tank can effectively control the contact line of long lengths due to powerful electronics and due to high mobility, and if it can "by order" cause the fire of the battery of self-propelled guns located 10-15 kilometers away, controlling it in real time, this will make such a "patrol "almost perfect.
  9. komandir8
    komandir8 29 November 2017 22: 42 New
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    This was all known before. The most effective types of WTO ground forces in modern conditions are reconnaissance-strike and reconnaissance-fire systems: they have high-precision reconnaissance and destruction means combined with an automated control system, which allows the use of reconnaissance data in a time scale close to real, and hit objects in a matter of minutes after identifying them and making the appropriate decision. If the striking element destroys the target by firing (for example, barreled or rocket artillery), the complex is called reconnaissance-fire (ROCK), while striking (tactical, army aviation, launchers of tactical and operational-tactical missiles) - reconnaissance-strike (RUK ) Therefore, reconnaissance and firing systems are more of a tactical means, and reconnaissance and strike systems are operational command. All elements of the RUK are spatially separated and located on its territory. A characteristic feature is the use of a single coordinate reporting system, in which reconnaissance and weapon guidance are performed, which eliminates the inevitable conclusion of targeting errors between means with autonomous, unconnected systems for measuring target location and their coordinates. In this case, they got the name from us - reconnaissance-strike contours.
  10. MOSKVITYANIN
    MOSKVITYANIN 1 December 2017 20: 26 New
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    From the former OShS of the former armored cavalry
    There were no regiments left, as you tried to bring it up referring to the 1989 ZVO of the year, and that in fact this is now a different type of formation, they brought you a link.


    First iron-faced For especially impassable: THERE WAS 4 (1 in NG), i.e. 3 regular.

    Your comment:
    With a dozen of course they were not, at least at the end of the XB, there were three individual bcrp.

    Here is my comment on yours:
    According to the foreign military press, in the US Army there are seven separate armored cavalry regiments (OBKPP): three in the regular army and four in the national guard.

    Your last comment:
    And why is it that with a dodgy liar “about a dozen” cleverly turned into 7, and “only one in Germany” suddenly became “at least two”, but from the end of XV you’ve set up with 7, I’ll return home from a link from ZVO.

    I spoke to a dozen without indicating the period of the ХV, and you said that there was 3 at the end of the ХВ, to which I countered you with a link (see the comment above)
    I gave you a link that at the end of the 20th century the United States had 7 armored regiments brought, and you that there were no 3 ....
    You wrote that now these units are not in general in nature:
    Your comment:
    Now there are two "striker" brigades in the form (without tanks) and one training.

    In response, I wrote that this is not so and that there are two regiments and provided a link to this.
    My comment:
    now at least 2 brkvp

    see link to this comment
    He also indicated that of the two regiments currently existing, one is located in Germany (the other in NG)

    Now your last comment:
    By the way, the Soviet Military Publishing Service dubbed them armored cavalry, to more fully indicate, in the original Cavalry (translate ?!), the Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion (light armored reconnaissance battles on BM LAV-25) began to be called light infantry battalions of the US MP it is seen?

    Can you clarify? The Soviet Military Publishing House called only American or French, Spanish, too, if so, where does it
    BM LAV-25

    In general, at the beginning of the 80, they were bought by the Americans for the United States ILC, and in the United States they began to arrive in large numbers, after the reform of the "three-type system of brigades" began: "heavy", "striker" and light ...
    In total, by 1987, the Marine Corps was supplied with 759 LAV of all kinds. The cost of one BMP in the middle of the 90's was about 900 000 dollars.

    http://armedman.ru/avtobronetehnika/1961-1990-avt
    obronetehnika / kolesnaya-boevaya-mashina-lav-25.ht
    ml
    There is nothing left of the former OShS of the former armored cavalry regiments, as you tried to bring it up referring to the ZNUMX ZVO

    Initially, no one argued with this, I only proved their number, not quality ....

    Do you even remember my first comment?
    Again with the Americans ripped off, look at the full-time structure and appointment of the BKVP SV of the USA

    I was initially interested in information about what our intelligence brigades are (they appeared relatively recently), we copy the American version of the "budget spill" or they have a completely different purpose than the American armored cavalry regiments of the twentieth ....