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The United States approved the supply of weapons to Warsaw for $ 0,5 billion

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The press service of the Pentagon reports that the US has approved the supply of weapons to Poland in the amount of about 0,5 billion dollars. RIA News cites official reports of the military department:
The US State Department decided to approve the possible sale of operational-tactical missile-artillery systems (HIMARS) to Poland for about 250 million dollars. The US Department of Defense Office for Military Cooperation submitted all necessary documents to Congress.



The United States approved the supply of weapons to Warsaw for $ 0,5 billion


It was noted that possible deliveries of the AIM-120C-7 air-to-air missiles to Poland were approved. The total cost of the “kit” is also about 250 million dollars. Apparently, the Polish aces are going to work out the reception of air combat in the airspace of the country ...

Acquisition of American weapons Poland is trying to demonstrate its loyalty to Washington for very impressive sums. At the same time, loyalty to Warsaw will become more and more difficult each year, given that Poland should start repaying loans previously received from the EU from 2020. And according to experts, Poland only in the last 10 years has received over 50 billion of credit dollars. The current authorities of the country claim that the growth of the Polish economy will make it possible to pay off debts without a special burden on Polish citizens. Not all Polish economists agree with this thesis.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 November 2017 07: 22 New
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    Something little bought by the Poles, you need to take large wholesale immediately, at least 7 percent of the country's GDP, to get into debt bondage forever!
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 November 2017 07: 26 New
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      They had already climbed back in the early 90s. Punishment arrogant ... Licking asshole ..
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Something little bought by the Poles, you need to take large wholesale immediately, at least 7 percent of the country's GDP, to get into debt bondage forever!
      1. dSK
        dSK 29 November 2017 08: 11 New
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        “Warsaw’s loyalty will be more and more difficult every year, given that Poland must start repaying loans received from the European Union from 2020. According to experts, Poland alone has received over $ 10 billion over the past 50 years
        In addition, Poland has already subscribed to 10 lard for the purchase of missile defense against "Iranian" missiles. And the state’s liquefied gas will have to be bought in three ways.
        Quote: Still “in 2011, US Secretary of Defense Gates scolded NATO members for not contributing: "The United States will not engage in charity and drag on the whole alliance" Trump realizes these threats. Demands for payment of NATO spending are growing. Free Cheese for East European NATO Members Ended and the mousetrap slammed shut. The fate of the "mice" is not enviable, they will be between a rock and a hard place in case of a major conflict. And save them from this, only fear can "puppeteer"do not sit out overseas once again. hi
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 November 2017 07: 23 New
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    Interestingly, will the Poles manage to sell apples to the Americans for the same amount? recourse
    1. 210ox
      210ox 29 November 2017 07: 30 New
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      They will be able to such an amount. Only to the east .. And then through Ukraine and Belarus, to us. And what do you think, in the “Magnet” Galitsky farts with Krasnodar apples?
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 29 November 2017 07: 40 New
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      Quote: Herkulesich
      Interestingly, will the Poles manage to sell apples to the Americans for the same amount? recourse

      Poland’s GDP is 0.5 trillion $, so there are more than apples. And generally a strange approach. When the Russian Federation supplies Syria or Venezuela with weapons worth hundreds of millions of dollars that these countries will never give back, then this is normal, and when a state with a stable economy acquires weapons for itself with the repayment of the amount over 10 years, it must somehow humiliate this country .
      1. MadCat
        MadCat 29 November 2017 08: 04 New
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        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        When the Russian Federation supplies Syria or Venezuela with weapons worth hundreds of millions of dollars that these countries will never give back, then this is normal, and when a state with a stable economy acquires weapons for itself with a repayment of the amount within 10 years, it must somehow humiliate this country .

        Well, Russia is kind, and the Yankees are evil. L-Logic laughing
      2. hrych
        hrych 29 November 2017 10: 01 New
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        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Poland's GDP of $ 0.5 trillion

        This opus of a blogger is dedicated to lovers of GDP. laughing
        "In short, it is clear to any person who thinks a little that the criterion of GDP does not express anything and does not say anything, but it helps to push the natives. For example, when white people pulled Bulgaria, they popularly explained that GDP growth is good, it’s the highest the meaning of life, and in order to raise GDP, it is necessary to carry out privatization - to sell to those who have money everything that they can - nuclear power plants, electricity networks, sewers, water supply, land, etc. Bulgaria’s GDP has skyrocketed! assets that previously existed, but belonged to natives who did not know how to use them in a market, were instantly included in the market turnover, and then rex-pax-fex, blah blah blah about investments, and the natives in Bulgaria no longer have N.I. -CH-E-G-O. The water supply system belongs to the Austrians, the Germans power plants, the Czech electricity network. The British bought the land (and maybe not the British, who bought it, bought it through Cyprus). .

        But nothing, is there any skin on the pope yet? So they began to rip her off. Previously, electricity was Bulgarian, and the Bulgarians paid a penny for it. Moreover, they exported it to the EU and Turkey. And then their power plants in the process of increasing GDP became German, and the Germans decided to bury Bulgarian energy. They explained to the natives that a nuclear power plant is bad, it is necessary to build wind generators and solar power plants. After all, the natives were taken to the EU, and according to EU standards, they should receive 16% of electricity from environmentally friendly sources. And “green electricity is 10 times more expensive!” And when the Bulgarians received electricity bills, they howled and rushed to rally. The government had to use the money that it received from the sale of nuclear power plants to gradually mitigate shock energy therapy. Check out the beauty of the brilliant operation: first, the Bulgarians sold their energy to the Westerners, then they gave them the proceeds, and something about 37 billion euros still remained in the edge. Now the Bulgarians are accustomed to and pay for the light regularly 10 times more than before. And this is wonderful, because the contribution of the electric power industry to the country's GDP has grown! The funniest thing here is that electricity production fell, GDP grew! This is real magic!

        True, the Bulgarians themselves from such happiness began to flee the country. Previously, there were 9 million, now 7 million remain, of which the actual Bulgarians are only 5 million, and the rest are gypsies and Turks. But here there is reason for joy, because GDP is expressed not only in absolute figures, but also per capita. So if your GDP is falling, but the population is declining even faster, it means that per capita GDP is growing. So, all hurt yourself! Bulgaria is on the right track! Agriculture died, the chemical industry died, science died, the people living in the hinterland by candlelight, the country is heavily indebted, but "the dynamics of GDP is positive," as Western economic shamans say, counting their milk yield from cattle. "
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 November 2017 10: 49 New
          +1
          "It is dedicated to lovers of counting GDP" ///

          But in fact, of course - in the alternative economy of "grunt" smile -
          the lower the GDP, the better. Here in Russia, the GDP is already in place
          a few years - and that's probably great. If he grew up, as in China,
          at 7-10% per year would be terrible.
          1. hrych
            hrych 29 November 2017 11: 15 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Here in Russia, the GDP is already in place
            a few years - and that's probably great.

            If the fourth nuclear submarine missile carrier was launched, if the nuclear icebreakers went into production, if they destroyed the Caliphate, annexed the Crimea, and Donbass, it seems that your calculations are not very good. How much are oil and gas wells, how many shelves are, how much are Yars? It is impossible for you to accountants to even understand this. You consider a certain capitalization, some GDP, but in fact you are all poor against Russia. And while you are not confused by the low standard of living of a citizen of the Russian Federation. Soon you will have nothing to eat except dollars. Why does the United States throw all resources into control of wells in the BV and the control of Suez, etc., using cannon fodder from desert rogues, because it depends on it completely. The entire economy of the West will collapse with its numbers. Now the resource-producing countries have shown their teeth, they are arming themselves in the most serious way with Russian weapons and the SA, and Iran, and even more so the Russian Federation, which has the most powerful and modern strategic nuclear forces, which means the strongest on the planet. The West is bankrupt. There are no resources, production has migrated to the Asia-Pacific region, all collapse is a matter of time. Sit there in your barren Negev and count the minutes to your Armageddon. They didn’t notice how the Chinese built a base in Djibouti, how thousands of “tigers” go to the border with you. wassat The main gain of the Syrian company is the loss of NATO of the Turkish half-million army and which became not our, but your problem wassat Accountants wassat
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 29 November 2017 12: 53 New
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              I was pleased to read your global review of your alternative
              economy. good Even copied as an outstanding example of thought.
              Now it remains to wait - are we in no hurry? - and check
              Practice your predictions. Practice is the criterion of the truth of theories. wink
          2. Professor
            Professor 29 November 2017 11: 31 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            "It is dedicated to lovers of counting GDP" ///

            But in fact, of course - in the alternative economy of "grunt" smile -
            the lower the GDP, the better. Here in Russia, the GDP is already in place
            a few years - and that's probably great. If he grew up, as in China,
            at 7-10% per year would be terrible.

            It was a blow below the waist. crying
            1. hrych
              hrych 29 November 2017 12: 36 New
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              Quote: Professor
              It was a blow below the belt

              Yes, I do not want to wassat
              1. Professor
                Professor 29 November 2017 12: 53 New
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                Quote: hrych
                Quote: Professor
                It was a blow below the belt

                Yes, I do not want to wassat

                Really. already. In response to you, as expected, there followed an incoherent stream that has nothing to do with GDP and its connection with the welfare of citizens.
                1. hrych
                  hrych 29 November 2017 17: 46 New
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                  We will never understand each other, you are a bookkeeper, and we are warriors, poets, scientists. laughing You have the Book of Numbers, and we have the Good News. You have GDP and we have GDP, only Vladimir Vladimirovich. At Last Judgment one can seize accounting and loan books, it can help ... wassat So Eugene did not understand what the strategic nuclear forces are, well, don’t bother, you have the limit of f-35 technology beaten by Siberian Cranes (s-200) wassat
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 29 November 2017 18: 46 New
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                    Why so many unconnected words? You tell us the GDP is not connected with the well-being of people, but we will talk about spirituality, the number of drug addicts and abortions later.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 29 November 2017 19: 03 New
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                      Quote: Professor
                      but about spirituality, the number of drug addicts and abortions, we will talk later.

                      And the rainbow parades in Tel Aviv laughing I repeat once again that GDP does not mean anything. Germany is one of the richest countries in terms of GDP, but cannot afford a space program, cannot afford an atomic fleet, cannot afford long-range aviation, cannot afford an independent policy, cannot manage its gold reserves, which the USA profiled, has excellent auto industry, machine tool industry, but in aviation technology - losers. The same Japanese, everything is fine with them, only maybe, unlike the Germans, they have a more advanced space program, and there is also no independent foreign policy, no security, etc. By the way, they have to spend a lot of resources on the purchase of energy and raw materials, we don’t, why and we can afford a lot, unlike them, even after the shocks. The Russian Federation on the crest of progress has all this, and most importantly the strategic nuclear forces determine the most invaluable - security. You do not have this, and your best (so far) social network is not lying next to this indicator. For the social body will not help much, and you, as it were, walking ... oh well, Putin said that until you return the land to the Palestinians, you won’t get calm. There is a chance of salvation. Although Iranian centrifuges are spinning, spinning, spinning wassat
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 29 November 2017 20: 20 New
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                        Quote: hrych
                        . Germany is one of the richest countries in terms of GDP, but cannot afford a space program, cannot afford an atomic fleet, cannot afford long-range aviation, cannot afford an independent policy, cannot manage its gold reserves, which the USA profiled, has excellent auto industry, machine tool industry, but in aviation technology - losers.

                        Oh how everything started ...
                        1. Germany is the richest country both in terms of GDP and in fact. I say this as a person who lived in Germany. They will pull the space program easily. If they want to. Or should I remind you who ripped off the "space program" from whom? wink They just don't need a nuclear submarine. What should they place on the nuclear submarine and whom to scare? Same thing with long-range aviation? Why ass button accordion?
                        2. Machine tool industry in the USA is such that you will never have. Just yesterday, he was negotiating with the American company Coherent producing lasers for processing everything in the world.

                        Quote: hrych
                        The same Japanese, everything is fine with them, only maybe, unlike the Germans, they have a more advanced space program, and there is also no independent foreign policy, no security, etc.

                        Mantras about "independent foreign policy leave the grandmothers on the bench. You are closer to the topic of the relationship of GDP and the welfare of citizens.

                        Quote: hrych
                        The Russian Federation on the crest of progress has all this, and most importantly the strategic nuclear forces determine the most invaluable - security.

                        Somehow I missed your crest of progress, and when it came to the citizens of Russia, security. Have strategic nuclear forces helped you in Beslan, or are they now helping in Ingushetia?

                        Quote: hrych
                        You do not have this, and your best (so far) social network did not lie next to this indicator. For the social body will not help much, and you, as it were, walking ... well oh well, Putin said that until you return the land to the Palestinians, you won’t get calm. There is a chance of salvation. Although Iranian centrifuges are spinning, spinning, spinning

                        Again, so many words, and again, everything is off topic. "Putin said .." lol
                        Let's compare your performance with ours. Life expectancy, child mortality, alcoholism and drug addiction, the number of abortions and the size of the pension ... Do not want to? But all these indicators are directly related to GDP.

                        Quote: abc_alex
                        Watch your hands:
                        You have an apartment. I have money. You are selling me an apartment. After which I resell it to you. We wrapped up the GDP at the double price of the apartment. But neither you nor I produced anything.
                        Available?

                        No, not available. Has someone built an apartment? You also earned money on it to buy it from me? And not small ones. And further down the list.
                    2. abc_alex
                      abc_alex 29 November 2017 20: 03 New
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                      Watch your hands:
                      You have an apartment. I have money. You are selling me an apartment. After which I resell it to you. We wrapped up the GDP at the double price of the apartment. But neither you nor I produced anything.
                      Available?
                    3. hrych
                      hrych 29 November 2017 20: 43 New
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                      Quote: Professor
                      They will pull the space program easily. If they want to. Or should I remind you who ripped off the "space program" from whom?

                      Ingenious! Bravo Professor! I can, but I do not want. Everything was calculated by Tsialkovsky, for starters, Brown (you are hinting at him) made a V-2 ballistic missile and hollowed London wassat Professor, but not the story clearly. laughing Our space and this is not discussed laughing
                      Quote: Professor
                      Have strategic nuclear forces helped you in Beslan, or are they now helping in Ingushetia?

                      We killed the militants, and not only at home, but also destroyed the caliphate. So, it’s better for you to keep quiet and study, for our brothers from Hezbollah, some have been kicked by one place. Now we will give high-tech weapons to Iran, Turkey, CA, Egypt and Iran. Do you doubt the high-tech C-400? laughing
                      Quote: Professor
                      Let's compare your performance with ours. Life expectancy, child mortality, alcoholism and drug addiction, the number of abortions and the size of the pension ... Do not want to? But all these indicators are directly related to GDP.

                      And let's compare the percentage of insane, the number of perverts, etc. Give statistics? You really will not like it. You reason like this, whether you know the future, do not count life expectancy ... But will you have it at all? wassat And the Russian Federation, by the way, is a young state, it is 26 years old, but achievements are undeniable, and Israel has existed for 70 years, but as it were, to put it mildly, all countries, without exception, are stupidly hated and despised, including their masters from across the ocean. Well, you are the cannon fodder for the free passage of the Suez Canal, they kicked you out of Sinai, only Sadat guaranteed freedom of the way wassat and business then. I advise you once again not to ask yourself about life expectancy, for the Creator is not without irony wassat though not everyone likes jokes wassat Do you not know this. Happy National Day, Eugene !!! drinks
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 30 November 2017 07: 59 New
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                        Quote: hrych
                        Ingenious! Bravo Professor! I can, but I do not want. Everything was calculated by Tsialkovsky, for starters, Brown (you are hinting at him) made a V-2 ballistic missile and hollowed the London Professor, but not history clearly. Our space and this is not discussed

                        What did Tsialkovsky “calculate” later on, but did you find 19 satellites about your “space”? wink

                        Quote: hrych
                        We killed the militants, and not only at home, but also destroyed the caliphate. So, it’s better for you to keep quiet and study, for our brothers from Hezbollah, some have been kicked by one place. Now we will give high-tech weapons to Iran, Turkey, CA, Egypt and Iran. Do you doubt the high-tech C-400?

                        The militants like you walked and walk, and some go to Bentley with your own money. But this is your business.
                        Regarding the Caliphate, don’t say gop until you jump over.
                        Hezbollah terrorists whose bearded leader in a dress is still hiding in a bunker, I would not call the Russian brothers. This is an insult to the Russian people.
                        In order to give high-precision weapons it must be had.
                        I have no doubt about the high-tech C-400. I doubt his ability to intercept targets, not targets.

                        Quote: hrych
                        And let's compare the percentage of insane, the number of perverts, etc. Give statistics? You really will not like it. You reason like this, whether you know the future, do not count life expectancy ... But will you have it at all?

                        Let's. I'm all impatient.

                        Quote: hrych
                        And the Russian Federation, by the way, is a young state, it’s 26 years old, but its achievements are undeniable, and Israel has existed 70 years old, but it’s kind of to say the least, all countries, without exception, are stupidly hated and despised, including their hosts from across the ocean. Well, you are the cannon fodder for the free passage of the Suez Canal, they kicked you out of Sinai, only Sadat guaranteed freedom of the way and business. I advise you once again not to ask yourself about life expectancy, for the Creator is not without irony, but not everyone likes jokes with him. Do you really know this? Happy National Day, Eugene !!!

                        I will write to myself in the quote-book about the "young state" and return it to you when you crucify that you are the successors of the USSR.
                        We will not discuss how everyone “loves” you either. Give your calculations about GDP and its relationship with the welfare of citizens and the country's ability to buy weapons. I remind you that this is the topic of the article.
                    4. hrych
                      hrych 30 November 2017 10: 45 New
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                      Quote: Professor
                      19 satellites still found?

                      And the Ilona Mask rockets explode and nothing bad happened, this is everyday life, but the crest of progress and high accident rate. That you are more chasing about this laughing By the way, where is the Israeli cosmonautics? I can, but I do not want and I will not? laughing Therefore, I am ready to listen to the American sorcasm, but not from you for sure. Well, there was something military, there was a weather satellite, and 17 enemy satellites in low orbit from Germany, Canada, Norway, the USA, Sweden and Japan. All are enemy. And so insurance will cover everything, one of our Meteor is insured for 2,6 billion rubles wassat You like to count wassat The satellite SEAM (Swedes and 8 members of the consortium with the EU) allegedly on the study of high latitudes, and the study of the ionosphere, which is now important in military communications and radar. wassat Less 17 spy satellites and more with profit wassat Of course you will say about image losses, but we do not care, do not like it, go to the Mask wassat
                      About GDP, I have already laid out everything for you on the example of Bulgaria. The US GDP includes Hollywood, a huge sphere of service staff, etc. One decent film now costs a billion. In the United States, the film business is a huge industry with 2,1 million jobs. The amount of salaries paid to its employees for 2010 is $ 143 billion. The total turnover of this industry in the USA for 2011 is $ 464 billion. more than one and a half times the GDP of Israel wassat But the sense of this industry, as of a goat of milk, no, or rather for the decomposition of society, is very useful wassat So, sit there with your 300 billion GDP and wait. And what is going on with financiers, banks, insurance companies, etc. Already, the GDP is calculated from everything and everything, and the real economy is on the decline. Trump is now concerned about the departure of 40 million jobs in China wassat Detroit from a three millionth metropolis has slipped to half a million depressed people wassat In short, let’s do it, go take the silver coins further, and we will sell the systems to the benefit of our GDP, in CA, Turkey, Egypt and Iran, and you repeat when the Americans touched you from Sinai with their beaten Siberian Cranes f-35 laughing And our SNF and TNW, which terrify the EU and the USA, but which you are not afraid of, for they are small and very proud wassat with megalomania wassat I hope you do not experience the hard way with their GDP. The real wealth is land with mineral resources and shelves, these are factories and factories, transport, including pipelines and of course the army, and the strategic nuclear forces are out of competition. And not financial bubbles, with their puffed GDP, they have already begun to burst, and Spain is already bankrupt, and Britain has fled, and Turkey by-and-by, and Iran will soon reach power, but while you think they are spinning centrifuges, they want to expand the Negev wassat we will certainly help them with our insignificant GDP if you do not comply with the UN resolution.
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 30 November 2017 13: 00 New
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                        So did you find 19 satellites or not? After all, "your space."
                        Everyone has crashes.
                        We have already gone to the Mask and will go again.
                        Israeli Komponavtika is. And their satellites and launch vehicles. There is no manned program for lack of need.

                        GDP.
                        You wrote so many letters, spun Hollywood, which incidentally is engaged in the production of films while developing technology and science, but did not write about the connection between GDP and the welfare of citizens. And she is direct. More GDP - people live better, since there is more money for education and healthcare, roads and culture. And it doesn’t matter where the money came to the treasury by increasing GDP. It is important how much money is in the treasury and how much is spent on the welfare of citizens.
                        Quote: hrych
                        In short, let’s do it, go take the silver coins further, and we will sell the systems to the benefit of our GDP, in CA, Turkey, Egypt and Iran, and you repeat when the Americans touched you from Sinai with their beaten Siberian Cranes f-35

                        Loreal earns more on export than your entire defense industry. And for the “silver coins” both doctors and teachers work.

                        Quote: hrych
                        And our SNF and TNW, which terrify the EU and the USA, but which you are not afraid of, because I hope you will not experience small and very proud with megalomania in your own skin with your GDP. Real wealth - this is land with mineral resources and shelves, plants and factories, transport, including pipelines and of course the army, and strategic nuclear forces are out of competition.

                        You will not be full of SNF and you cannot cure sick children.
                        Real wealth is only people.

                        Quote: hrych
                        And not financial bubbles, with their puffed GDP, they have already begun to burst, and Spain is already bankrupt, and Britain has fled, and Turkey by-and-by, and Iran will soon reach power, and while you think they are spinning centrifuges, we want to expand the Negev to them we will help you with your insignificant GDP if you do not comply with the UN resolution.

                        In parallel reality, it may be so, but in our world, medicines cost money and doctors work for money.

                        All the best to you. hi
                    5. hrych
                      hrych 30 November 2017 13: 12 New
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                      Quote: Professor
                      All the best to you.

                      And you hi
          3. abc_alex
            abc_alex 29 November 2017 20: 13 New
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            This is not written to you. And that in itself a measure of GDP doesn't say anything. In particular, he does not speak about the availability of free money from the state for the purchase of weapons. Poland's GDP annually grows by 7-10 billion euros of direct gratuitous subsidies from EU funds, in addition to those loans and subsidies that come to Poland by the government and in addition to loans taken by the Polish government at interest.

            Israel’s GDP, for example, is growing steadily. But try to prove that Israel can afford the existing volume of arms purchases from the United States without direct military assistance from Washington. 38 billions in 10 years of gratuitous military assistance, does this mean something to you?

            Poland’s economy rests on EU privileges and subsidies, and its “stable economy” rests on the same “reliable foundation” and it would be logical to buy weapons all the same in Europe.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 30 November 2017 00: 07 New
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              Israel's GDP exceeded 300 billion a year (8.5 million people). Allocate another 3.8 billion for weapons, if the US suddenly decides to stop military assistance, Israel will be able to calmly. This is the meaning of GDP growth: “there is money” (in the words of Medvedev). But the increase in arms purchases by countries where GDP is not growing, or almost does not grow, inevitably leads to collapse / default. It went through many.
              And no resources will help. Example: Venezuela bathes in oil, but goes bankrupt.
              1. abc_alex
                abc_alex 1 December 2017 02: 30 New
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                Nevertheless, most recently, the highest officials of Israel have been very reverent in their defense of these subsidies. Why? Do not tell me?
            2. Professor
              Professor 30 November 2017 08: 14 New
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              Quote: abc_alex
              This is not what they wrote to you. And the fact that the GDP indicator alone does not mean anything. In particular, he does not talk about the availability of free money from the state for the purchase of weapons. Poland's GDP annually grows by 7-10 billion euros of direct gratuitous subsidies from EU funds, in addition to those loans and subsidies that come to Poland past the government and in addition to loans that are taken by the Polish government at interest.

              GDP says a lot. For example, Singapore’s GDP is $ 492,600,000,000 (41th place in the world), and Nauru’s GDP is $ 151,000,000 (223th place in the world). Singapore is actively purchasing weapons, and Nauru ... Or warring Eritrea with a GDP of $ 9,169,000,000 and Turkey with a GDP of $ 1,988,000,000,000. Compare their armed forces and arms purchases?

              Poland's GDP is $ 1,054,000,000,000 (25-th place in the world). They can afford a lot with the military budget of 2% of the “meaningless GDP”.

              Quote: abc_alex
              Israel’s GDP, for example, is growing steadily. But try to prove that Israel can afford the existing volume of arms purchases from the United States without direct military assistance from Washington. 38 billions in 10 years of gratuitous military assistance, does this mean something to you?

              This tells me that the Israeli government doesn’t receive American arms correctly for free, despite the fact that this year the budget surplus amounted to about 18 billion shekels ($ 5.2 billion). Israel can afford to purchase weapons, primarily in its own right, and not support the American manufacturer.

              Quote: abc_alex
              Poland’s economy rests on EU privileges and subsidies, and its “stable economy” rests on the same “reliable foundation” and it would be logical to buy weapons all the same in Europe.

              Do you have figures for their borrowings? I only found that tax collection amounted to 17.1% of GDP, and national debt was only 48% of GDP.
              Poland is solvent. hi
              1. abc_alex
                abc_alex 1 December 2017 03: 24 New
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                GDP says a lot. For example, Singapore’s GDP is $ 492,600,000,000 (41th place in the world), and Nauru’s GDP is $ 151,000,000 (223th place in the world). Singapore is actively purchasing weapons, and Nauru ... Or warring Eritrea with a GDP of $ 9,169,000,000 and Turkey with a GDP of $ 1,988,000,000,000. Compare their armed forces and arms purchases?


                Above, I gave a “household” example of GDP growth from scratch. There are industrial (statistical methods) that allow you to draw GDP arbitrarily in a certain amount. For example, recently, the GDP of EU countries has taken into account income from prostitution and the illegal drug trade.

                Poland's GDP is $ 1,054,000,000,000 (25-th place in the world). They can afford a lot with the military budget of 2% of the “meaningless GDP”.


                And the GDP of Latvia is three times lower. Does this mean that it can buy exactly three times less weapons than Poland? For example, 30-40 F-16 in the USA?

                GDP is inflated (and very much) by stock speculation (Singapore) or real estate bubbles.
                Comparison therefore needs real defense budgets. It will not be fighting as a percentage of GDP, but by specific aircraft and tanks. So when it comes to the specifics, Poland shows low purchasing power. For example, having bought the first batch of F-16 Poland for a long time could not launch them and on combat duty, because there simply was not enough money to maintain them in a state of airworthiness.


                Israel can afford to buy weapons, and first of all at home, and not support the American manufacturer.


                That's right, Israel is a developed industrial country, included in the list of technological leaders. Its tanks, small arms, UAVs, missile weapons, missile defense, radar systems. In Poland, none of this exists. Only the figure of GDP.

                Do you have figures for their borrowings? I only found that tax collection amounted to 17.1% of GDP, and national debt was only 48% of GDP.


                Not borrowing, but direct gratuitous subsidies. The full amount is very difficult to determine. Since it is scattered across a dozen European programs. These are small business support programs, and environmental programs and subsidies to "innovative" industries. Agriculture is subsidized separately. At the same time, there are direct budget injections.
                Here are the main sources of subsidies: European Cohesion Fund, designed for large national investments such as highways or airports; The social fund from which people invest in people, the Regional Development Fund, is incredibly multifaceted - from it you can build a bike path, as well as a film studio or a complex of scientific laboratories. But the largest box in which Brussels constantly invests 40% of its budget is the general agricultural policy

                On average, Poland receives about 10 billion per year. Euro freebies per year only to the budget. For at least 10 years. The infrastructure is being updated for these billions, almost all railway construction is being funded by these funds. In addition to the fact that until 2012, almost € 80 billion was poured into Poland from the EU funds almost free of charge under the “equalization” program.

                But according to rough approximate estimates, the volume of subsidies from the EU to Poland is about 14 billion euros. in year. Last at least 10 years. At the same time, Poland still manages to increase external public debt. Both explicit and hidden. This year it amounted to 1 trillion zlotys (approx. 280 billion euros) and continues to grow. That is, despite subsidies from the EU, the Polish budget does not have enough money.

                But, in principle, you can buy tanks on the brink of ruin, Greece Greece at one time was noted with such a feint. But I said that sitting on the neck of Germany and France, Poland would be logical to buy weapons in Europe. Especially light fighters, with the possibility of suspension of weapons systems of the USA in Europe are.
        2. japs
          japs 29 November 2017 12: 27 New
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          Everything is correct, albeit kartkaturno. I hope that our people understand what the government of DAM suggests with the privatization of everything? Rather, leftovers? Half of the population, I believe, will certainly not fit into such a market. Gaidar is incredibly happy! It will come to the privatization of land and forests. This is a matter of time. So, the Zadornovskoye “Well, boo!” Will soon apply to all of us if we listen indifferently to the Kudrins and other liberals.
          I really do not want to repeat the lessons - "To the base, and then ..." After all, it is possible in a parliamentary way.
          1. hrych
            hrych 29 November 2017 12: 34 New
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            Quote: japs
            DAM government suggests with the privatization of everything?

            Putin has nationalized, check out the issue with Sibneft of Berezovsky, Yukos Khodorkovsky and the Sakhalin-1 and Sakhalin-2 wells for starters and Gazprom and Rosneft assets were also bought back when they fell in price, in exchange for American candy wrappers. Fantastic work has been done to return the property of the State after EBN robberies. By the way, Rothschild stood behind Khodorkovsky ...
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 29 November 2017 23: 57 New
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              No nationalization. Assets of objectionable oligarchs are pressed in favor of "their"
              oligarchs. Redistribution of private property. This has always been done in oligarchic states. At the same time, Rosneft is in fantastic debt (which it closes from the budget), and Gazprom is in record losses. And these are the two main "pillars" of industry.
              1. hrych
                hrych 30 November 2017 00: 28 New
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                Quote: voyaka uh
                This has always been done in oligarchic states

                Oh no, the relevant laws have been passed. There are no oligarchs in the Russian Federation, Potanin and others accepted the rules of the game and became top managers of state enterprises. Now in the Russian Federation state capitalism and yet the state has remained social. Factories and factories through nominees redeemed. There was a period when dairies, breweries, etc. bought up “Muscovites” in the regions, and when the local blot turned up, “Alpha” flew to the showdown. Do not worry about Gazprom and Rosneft wassat You see, you again with your stereotypes began to translate everything into shekels wassat How much is Crimea and its bowels? How much does Donbass and its bowels cost? How much is the Syrian shelf? How much does West Qurna cost? Believe me, one Crimea is more expensive than Israel with all the giblets and all your 70 year old GDP wassat By the way, you can also consider this: 1 Merkava costs 1 shot of the Cornet, one F-35 costs one Siberian Crane wassat
              2. hrych
                hrych 30 November 2017 00: 57 New
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                Quote: voyaka uh
                Rosneft in fantastic debts (which are closed from the budget), and Gazprom in record losses

                When the factories were bought from the blot, they paid with paper, they rushed abroad to buy football clubs, castles, farms, shaking the market. Then, having lowered the share price of our corporations to a minimum, they themselves bought assets from Western holders on the cheap. Sechin was responsible for this and carried out the action brilliantly. The sanction war broke out because of this, and Crimea became only a trigger. The EU depends on deliveries from the Russian Federation: solid minerals - 28,8%, oil - 33,5%, gas - 39,0% and can do nothing, sanctions, in particular the ban on the entry of officials, ours responded with real counter-sanctions, agriculture, Germany alone lost 42 thousand jobs, Austria 7 thousand jobs. If, for example, Italy has already lost 7 billion dollars due to sanctions, then this is already, and the future, and jobs ... they lost this market forever. The EU donor could not stand it and Brexit happened, DONOR, which means that other donors will have to share the load of the UK wassat The only sanction we touched on the purchase of machine tools in Germany, but bought from Koreans and Chinese wassat In short, the full economic defeat of the EU, Turkey lost Turkey, one of the main donors - Britain flew out. Awesome. Maybe you see it in the sands, somehow differently? wassat
                1. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 30 November 2017 09: 25 New
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                  "Maybe you see it in the sands, somehow differently? Wassat" ////

                  In a completely different way. fellow
                  We have a classic economy, and
                  not alternative. And in the classical housekeeper, Russia since 2013
                  (even before the Crimea and the sanctions) stopped economic growth and entered
                  during years of stagnation (zero growth). While China, for example,
                  continues to grow GDP by 6-7% per year for many years.
                  Due to zero growth, Russia is not able to purchase weapons for
                  his army: not a single large ship, only 12 aircraft of the 5th generation.
                  Not to mention the nearly zero health budget.
                  Banks go bankrupt one by one. Already the largest - Sberbank has to be saved from the budget.
                  Without an intensely growing civilian economy, there is no army.
                  This is understood in China, but not understood in Russia.
                  1. hrych
                    hrych 30 November 2017 11: 13 New
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                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    We have a classic economy

                    You are the most subsidized person, he throws you off for the services of the USA, pays reparations to Germany, when this is over, there will be a collapse
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Due to zero growth, Russia is not able to buy weapons for its army: not a single large ship, only 12 aircraft of the 5th generation.
                    We have our own concepts in generations, enough to carry a blizzard with invisible and visible white cranks, the Su-35 and MiG-31 are superior in both detection range and missiles. Have you ever seen the radar screen? If the EPR is at least 100 times smaller, it remained on the screen as it was a moving point. For meter radars, this does not work at all, and with us everything is blocked by them. Our best radars see a ball of 5 centimeters so what? Go to the locators, they will explain that the liner, that the ball is 5 cm, will remain a point on the operator’s screen, and its flight parameters (altitude, speed, etc.) allow you to classify the target and select the means of destruction. All. Go to the locators and faith in stealth will be shaken, they know it and are silent wassat
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Banks go bankrupt one by one. Already the largest - Sberbank has to be saved from the budget.

                    Again, you don’t understand, this is done by the state, the banking sector is being nationalized. Depreciation of the currency to drive out imports for substitution. Your favorite Chinese do this all the time, and you are delighted with them laughing Yes, there is a decrease in the standard of living, but as regards the consumption of imported consumer goods, that's all, but the rearmament of the army is in order, the war has been won on all fronts. The EU and NATO are defeated (loss of Turkey), the mercenary army of the SA destroyed. Our Crimea. wassat
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    Without an intensely growing civilian economy, there is no army. This is understood in China, but not understood in Russia.

                    Ha ha ha Therefore, 100 yards, 4 Boreas, a bunch of Iskander and Caliber, fell from the moon. I say that in your head is digital Marxism, which is far from reality and should have been rejected as early as the beginning of the 20th century, like utopia. Well, it's better for us to defeat you. drinks
  3. Strashila
    Strashila 29 November 2017 09: 34 New
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    How much Soviet weapons were sent to Ukraine, so much from the Americans and received.
    1. abc_alex
      abc_alex 29 November 2017 20: 15 New
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      Poland did not have so many Soviet weapons to buy so much staff. There price scissors three or four times :)
  4. askme
    askme 29 November 2017 23: 49 New
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    That's right) Then we will transfer another team of Iskanders to Kaliningrad, then 36 Sukhoi, then something else bought according to their internal prices, and let the Poles buy from the Yankees for commercial, they are stretching with Russia))) After about ten years, they themselves will stretch their legs )))
  5. analgin
    analgin 30 November 2017 17: 57 New
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    Professor,
    Loreal earns more on export than your entire defense industry. And for the “silver coins” both doctors and teachers work.
    [/ Quote]
    Recently watched the Russian so-called "political talk show." There, the presenters maliciously asked the Pole how they lived there after Russia abandoned Polish apples, etc.? And now, they say, the train has left and Russia itself has become, due to import substitution, the world leader in agricultural products, and it’s all about arms export!
    To which the Pole answered them that little Poland was exporting agricultural products for 25 billion dollars. per year, and furniture - more than Russia arms. The leaders rolled their eyes and they tried to make fun again asking: and where does Poland supply its furniture? Really to Italy?
    After answering that in Italy as well, it was a pity to look at the presenters ...
    And you say "Loreal"! repeat