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"Businessmen-losers" Medvedev dropped satellites into the ocean

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What can be said about the next drain of the heap of satellites who knows where? All is natural. The ideology of Mr. Prime Minister Medvedev in action in full.




When I learned that the next rocket had ditched with the next portion of satellites, thank God, the "partner" in general, there was not even regret. Only understanding in the spirit of "what did we want?"

Of course, we would like the satellites to be where they are planned. In orbit. Everything else - whether the human factor, technical faults (which is basically the same thing), is no longer important. It is important that we get another slap in the face.

If Frigate were a new product that was not fully tested, it would not be so disgusting. But alas, this is a very beautiful product. From 2000 to the present, more than a hundred vehicles were launched into orbits by the Frigate. Of the 58 starts, only one was unsuccessful due to the fault of the “Frigate”. In August 2014, due to an error in the task program.

Apparently, after the shaking up of VMZ and KBKHA, it was the turn of the Lavochkin NPO.

It is clear that the investigation will be, and someone is appointed guilty. I don’t know whether the storekeeper or the cleaning lady will be appointed. The point is not that.

The bottom line is that we continue to lose ground in space exploration, and by leaps and bounds.

The question arises: who will eliminate the nightmare that has developed in the space industry today?

I did not mention Dmitry Medvedev for nothing. And quote him too, with intent.

His phrase, which he said to the teachers last year, and which made a fuss, absolutely rightly can be attributed to the workers of space plants.

“I am often asked about teachers and lecturers. This is a vocation, and if you want to earn money, there are lots of beautiful places where you can do it faster and better. The same business. ”

The engineer of the space industry is, it turns out, also a vocation. Because the money that they pay for work there is quite comparable with the income of the teacher. Well, a little more.

So, you want to be a rogue for the glory of the Fatherland - go ahead. Everything will be for you: responsibility, understanding that you are doing a very necessary thing for the country (and, importantly, profitable). Here are just no money. This is the calling ...

And you want to live like a man, a car there, an apartment - go into business.

So go. I want to live now, not in the next life. And in the end there are only those who have nothing to catch in business. Either the fanatics of their business, God grant them health.

How many more years the rockets will fall due to the fact that they are collected by unqualified personnel, staffed on the principle “there must be only one”, I don’t know. But I am sure that is not very long. Sooner or later, but the moment will come when there will simply be no one to collect the missiles.

Soviet cadres live their days. And they are being replaced by, alas, not engineers, but defective managers. Claiming for high salaries, but nothing but noise, not producing.

And this, I stress, the policy of the state.

Let me recall the words of the former Minister of Education, and now Assistant President Fursenko, that “the lack of the Soviet education system was an attempt to form a creator-man, and now the task is to nurture a qualified consumer who can skillfully use the results of the creativity of others.”

It is interesting in practice, it turns out: the creators are not needed, and if they are, they should be simply killed financially. Let, you know, go to consumers. Enjoy the results of the creativity of others.

Yes, of course, they will. Why study for five years to receive less per month than Mr. Medvedev per day? The engineer in the KBXA already mentioned costs from 16 to 25 thousand per month. On the site, however, the "prices" were removed, put "contractual", so as not to disgrace. NPO Lavochkina is the same song, but the turner costs 35 thousands there. More, of course, but this is Khimki, not Voronezh. There is a difference. In Voronezh, turner costs a little less - from 30 thousand.

There is also a plant of VMZ, where engines are assembled for "Unions". Fitter for the assembly of these engines, 6 discharge - 20 thousands. Responsibilities: assembly, adjustment, testing in accordance with the requirements of the design documentation of particularly complex and demanding operations for the assembly of liquid rocket engines.

So they collect ...

Looking at how the sales manager at Svyaznoy gets from 30. The driver is from 40. Night driver-slugovoz - 80-100. For example, he took from the local newspaper.

But there are those who do not want to carry. There is still. Who wants to collect, test and launch rockets.

And not necessarily cosmic. Speaking of rocket engines, I’m afraid to even think about how they will behave, if anything, Yarsy, Topol and others. Engines at the same factories are collected, with the same hands and for the same salary, if that.

They say there is no money to increase. The crisis in the country has just ended.

I don’t like to get into someone else’s pocket, but I wonder where our gentlemen’s ministers get their income from? Those who have no money for anything. Open data for 2016 year.

Minister for the North Caucasus Lev Kuznetsov. According to the declaration, his income amounted to 582 million rubles. In 2015, his salary was significantly lower - 47,9 million rubles.

Indeed, the crisis has passed, since the income in 12 times skipped. One and a half million a day is serious.

Minister for work with the open government, Mikhail Abyzov. In 2016, Abyzov earned 520 million rubles.

Plenipotentiary of the President of Russia in the Far East Yury Trutnev. 357 million rubles. Two times more than in 2015.

And these people put all of us with a minimum salary of 5 thousand and a living wage of 10 thousand rubles ...

Maybe Mr. Prime Minister should look in his pockets of subordinates for decent salaries to engineers and mechanics of Roscosmos?

A silly statement, of course. No one will not look for anything, the Russians do not abandon theirs. Especially up there.

So, the rocket will fall further. The fault of storekeepers and barmaid.

By the way, about stories with the storekeeper who went to the hospital, because of what that “Proton” collapsed ... It never occurred to anyone, how did the solder turn out to be, to put it mildly, completely wrong? Who ordered it, who paid, who delivered it? Who gave the instruction to "solder, what was given?"

Mr. Medvedev, do you really care so much about what is going on at Roscosmos?
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2017 06: 41
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    Maybe the military can launch critical missiles all the same ... here they killed a bunch of satellites and authority according to the old scheme and again on the human factor what What the hell is this
    1. Chertt
      Chertt 29 November 2017 06: 55
      74
      Maybe it’s time to introduce articles of the Criminal Code for sabotage in strategically important areas of science and industry, As well as equate stupidity and incompetence to wrecking
      1. maxim947
        maxim947 29 November 2017 07: 28
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        Yeah, and they will plant the very stockmen and engineers, they will be extreme.
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 29 November 2017 11: 00
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          Quote: maxim947
          Yeah, and they will plant the very stockmen and engineers, they will be extreme.

          ... and change the search system for "scapegoats", and I think that we must start from the head, and the leader is always to blame, i.e. CEO. Only by introducing this practice can we hope that the heads of enterprises will be concerned about the state of affairs at their enterprise and carry out production modernization. Take for example the Lavochkin NGO referred to in the article. Its general director, Lemeshevsky Sergey Antonovich and, in combination, Mr. Lemeshevsky, is also a deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma. I think that if Lemeshevsky didn’t sit on two chairs at once and would not be involved in lawmaking, but would be engaged in his own business, delve into the questions of where to buy solder and so on, I would think how to improve the quality, the missiles would not fall, and if you can’t do it, it’s criminal responsibility and the next leader will reflect. While the leadership is not responsible for anything, there will be no order.
          PS
          “I am often asked about teachers and lecturers. This is a vocation, and if you want to earn money, there are lots of beautiful places where you can do it faster and better. The same business. ”

          It would be nice if the Prime Minister had a vocation and his salary was, well, thousands of 30, for example, and if you want money, go into business. hi
          1. Anarchist
            Anarchist 29 November 2017 11: 46
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            Quote: SERGUS
            It would be nice if the Prime Minister would be a vocation

            1. bandabas
              bandabas 29 November 2017 13: 57
              10
              Not. His calling is Belaz.
              1. the most important
                the most important 29 November 2017 15: 58
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                Quote: bandabas
                His calling is Belaz.

                ... push !!!
                1. severniy
                  severniy 1 December 2017 20: 57
                  +9
                  from empty to empty ..., Vova type again not in the know .. this is a dime
              2. Greenwood
                Greenwood 29 November 2017 18: 26
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                Quote: bandabas
                His calling is Belaz.
                His calling is a selfie in the elevator. Well, at least not in the toilet.
              3. hydrox
                hydrox 30 November 2017 08: 01
                +9
                Quote: bandabas
                His calling is Belaz.

                So you want our liberals also to kill BelAZ in a month?
                Why you do not love Belarus so much! laughing
                1. bandabas
                  bandabas 30 November 2017 09: 10
                  +2
                  Unfortunately (or fortunately) BeLazy are used as dump trucks at the enterprise. And there would be Komatsu .... Then goodbye Japan laughing
            2. nikolaev
              nikolaev 2 December 2017 00: 43
              +1
              And you think DAM will hear the teachers?
          2. RESEARCHER
            RESEARCHER 29 November 2017 12: 52
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            And what do you expect from the leaders of the new wave?
            These are managenres and, at best, production workers, but not developers of rocketry from God.
            Here is a typical example: Director General Sergey Lemeshevsky and part-time deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma.
            Born May 13, 1961 in the city of Rudny, Kustanai region
            Education: 1984 Chelyabinsk Polytechnic Institute with a degree in Mechanical Engineer for Aircraft Engines
            1994 Training course at the Institute of Senior Management of the Academy of National Economy under the Government of the Russian Federation under the program "Strategy and Tactics of Reforming the Military-Industrial Complex"
            1998 Internship at Cambridge College (USA) under the program "Business and Marketing".
            In 2003, he completed a training course at the International Knowledge Exchange Center (Canada) on the topic "New Technologies in the Aerospace Industry".
            In 2008 he defended his thesis for the degree of candidate of economic sciences.
            Professional experience:
            1984-1993 Zlatoust Machine-Building Plant, the path from the workshop foreman to the head of specialized production
            1993-2005 Deputy General Director for Production, First Deputy General Director of the Miass Engineering Plant
            2005-2015 General Director of the Zlatoust Machine-Building Plant
            2015 Acting General Director of the NGO named after S.A. Lavochkina
            PS With such a track record under Comrade Stalin, he would be considered a recruited enemy of his country and his people. And he would never have been put on a leadership position
            1. Solomon Kane
              Solomon Kane 29 November 2017 15: 34
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              And what do you expect from the leaders of the new wave?

              Yeah, like the son of Mitya Rogozin, he leads the ILs ....
              The second wave of destruction of the Institutes of the Chief Designer ..... in essence, this is sabotage and the destruction of the military-industrial complex ... am angry
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 30 November 2017 08: 05
                11
                Quote: Solomon Kane
                Yeah, as the son of Mitya Rogozin, he leads the ILs.

                And what, do you think that Putin is not aware of the fact that under his leadership managerial posts are held by managerial posts?
                Then try to remember who said: "No smart people, no devotees!"
            2. AlexVas44
              AlexVas44 30 November 2017 10: 06
              +9
              Quote: RESEARCHER
              And what do you expect from the leaders of the new wave?

              We are waiting for when they wake up and wake up ...
              1. nikolaev
                nikolaev 2 December 2017 00: 45
                +2
                taking advantage of the cases they count the millions that they are now dripping
              2. Ruslan Gainutdinov
                Ruslan Gainutdinov 3 December 2017 11: 14
                +3
                Wake up only when the red banner outside flutters at the Kremlin
              3. free
                free 4 December 2017 07: 17
                +1
                Quote: AlexVas44
                Quote: RESEARCHER
                And what do you expect from the leaders of the new wave?

                We are waiting for when they wake up and wake up ...

                Recycle, tired not easy is the business of the proletarians to deceive!
                1. Nikolay Fedorov
                  Nikolay Fedorov 5 December 2017 09: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: free
                  Quote: AlexVas44
                  Quote: RESEARCHER
                  And what do you expect from the leaders of the new wave?

                  We are waiting for when they wake up and wake up ...

                  Let them sleep better. At least they will be able to bring less harm to the homeland ...
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            3. Nikolay Fedorov
              Nikolay Fedorov 4 December 2017 16: 59
              +1
              Quote: RESEARCHER
              ... Director General Lemeshevsky Sergey Antonovich and part-time deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma ....
              ... PS With such a track record under Comrade Stalin, he would be considered a recruited enemy of his country and his people. And he would never have been put on a leadership position

              I have noticed that for some reason those who are not recruited generally upwards in the Russian economy do not get ... With a rare exception.
              1. Tda tar
                Tda tar 4 December 2017 19: 22
                +1
                WHY SOMETHING RODCHENKO REMEMBERED ... NOT TO BE MEMORED BY NIGHT ...
          3. Sasha71
            Sasha71 29 November 2017 13: 10
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            A bunch of bloggers still waited for the sweetest thing - an unsuccessful launch. Hungry for the poor. Now they have habitually thrown themselves into a flock, gnawing, riveting and sucking on the bones. (Exclusively from the “patriotic” feelings, as always, “offensive to the state.” Probably, many articles and comments were prepared in advance. The main thesis is common (“How long ?!”) The author’s assertion that Russia is rapidly losing ground in the space industry is generally strange, then who is gaining ground, maybe Americans who don’t have decent engines, who have lower accident rates, more launches? Medvedev (and I would like to bite the GDP, but the tooth is numb because of its popularity). And why not Rogozin? Wasn’t he personally inspecting Frigate the day before? (Maybe this is the whole thing?). But, the purpose of the article is to bite, and Apparently, to cover Rogozin with Medvedev’s figure? I believe that the number of such provocative articles will increase as the elections draw near.
            And it would be naive to exclude the version of sabotage in conditions of extreme degree of exacerbation of the information war ...
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            2. NordOst16
              NordOst16 29 November 2017 14: 31
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              This Americans do not have a decent taxiway? They have them, though more expensive.
              And as for sabotage - there is an interesting statement called "Hanlon's Razor", which sounds like: Never attribute to malicious intent what can be explained by stupidity.
              And if in the industry the mess blooms with lush buds, then the search for external enemies will not bring any benefits.
              Although your comment is reminiscent of trolling.
              1. Sasha71
                Sasha71 29 November 2017 15: 42
                +6
                "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." - a stupid statement in terms of logic. (If you have a clue about her). A typical example of the main type of lie is citation.
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 29 November 2017 17: 30
                  +9
                  Well, I have a different assessment of this statement. And what about the logic - time will tell those who are friendly with the mind, and who just pretend that in the cranium the mass of tissue does not in vain press on the vertebrae.
                2. Tda tar
                  Tda tar 4 December 2017 19: 24
                  +1
                  Sabotage is possible only with stupid managers. With the normal organization of the process - torment "sabotage."
              2. Solomon Kane
                Solomon Kane 29 November 2017 15: 49
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                If you want to find a problem, first dig in yourself ....
                We have what is not an industry - Mess and Buds ....
                An hour ago, I spoke with a neighbor, the head of the Club of Young Technicians.
                She is in tears: the room is being renovated, painters are working, a team from the top came to decorate the windows with New Year's themes and take pictures by tomorrow. She says, "I have a repair, whitewashing and painting is in progress"
                And to her in response: "You take a picture, then wrap it around ..."
                What is it like? And such garbage all over the country, the Theater of Russian Illusions!
                We created a project in plywood, painted, Mitkov (Rogozin with Kosolapy) pleased and good .... And the reality is complete Ж in the country.
                1. hydrox
                  hydrox 30 November 2017 08: 14
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                  Quote: Solomon Kane
                  And the Reality is complete F in the country.

                  Do not try to look for randomness in the operation of the SYSTEM, the usual normal LIBERAL system of government ...
                  If a major, in violation of all traffic rules, commits an accident, and at the same time kills four people and gets 5 years in a penal colony, then this is not the fault of the majority, this is the judicial system in the country that is so bought and sold, these are laws created specifically for the liberal system withdrawal of responsibility from the offender.
              3. Dart2027
                Dart2027 29 November 2017 19: 52
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                Quote: NordOst16
                Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity

                If you wish, you can attribute anything to stupidity. There’s just another statement
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 29 November 2017 22: 24
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                  The converse is also true.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 29 November 2017 23: 12
                    +3
                    That's just the opposite happens well, very rarely.
                    1. NordOst16
                      NordOst16 30 November 2017 13: 09
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                      Maybe yes, maybe not. Time will tell)))
              4. turbris
                turbris 29 November 2017 21: 46
                +1
                No, this is your comment very reminiscent of trolling, about the mess in the industry, you certainly are very competent, because you work in this industry, or not?
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 1 December 2017 21: 05
                  +6
                  When working in other areas, it is perfectly acceptable to extrapolate the situation to other sectors.

                  When "managers" are appointed to leadership positions without any external experience.

                  IMHO, the working system for changing leadership has long been worked out in the world, and here, people from the same organization below rank come to leading positions.

                  In my case, these are school principals.
                  Why drag boobies from our deputy. Minister of Education of Moscow, Comrade Kalina and implement a system of punishment by searching for scapegoats I do not understand.

                  Although he had to appoint directors from the same or other schools from the school staff, or rather the head teachers, who in due time should become after a successful work as a teacher.

                  Information on our defense industry enterprises also flashed, where the directors were removed after the company received good orders from the state.

                  There are specific raider grabs using leadership posts.

                  And in my case, Kalina Isaac Iosifovich is generally a Jew with an incomprehensible strategy for educating the population.
                  Here is his photo:


                  (I remind you that before Nicholas 2 in the Russian Empire, Jews were forbidden to teach in schools and even more so to lead them).
                  1. cast iron
                    cast iron 3 December 2017 01: 49
                    +1
                    A hint of Jews is not so frail))) You are anti-Semite. Take the trouble to find out who by nationality the Nobel Laureates, academics and simply fantastic Russian teachers - Zhores Alferov or Lev Landau. At the same time, you will learn that some of the greatest mathematicians of the 20th century lived in the USSR under the name Keldysh. And there was Yangel, Sakharov and others. Which under the kings were forbidden to teach in schools.
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 3 December 2017 02: 03
                      +1
                      Yes yes yes your example with Sakharov is very accurate!

                      But Jews are not the most important parameter here, I just drew attention to it because Poroshenko is also a Jew, and the fascist movement in Ukraine is also led by Jews.

                      There is too much coincidence to close our eyes to this.

                      As for Kalina, I noticed that the appointment of staff for school management is a bit strange, although his idea of ​​updating the directors with new young managers is very good.

                      But what comes of the result ?!

                      Assign upstarts without work experience in schools that do not know how to manage teams, and Kalina suggests that all miscalculations be blamed on switchmen below rank.

                      And I brought this all about the mess in the military-industrial complex, where I think the situation is similar.
                      1. Grigory_78
                        Grigory_78 4 December 2017 16: 47
                        0
                        Young managers as leaders? Rave. Remember the days of school at school? When do high school students teach classes in elementary grades and keep order in school? It would never occur to anyone to give this role to students in the middle and especially lower grades. The consequences are easily predictable and they do not need teachers. And our state - these consequences suit, alas ...
                    2. Krabik
                      Krabik 3 December 2017 14: 23
                      +3
                      I forgot to describe another new innovation system of Comrade Kalina.

                      The fact that he offers at the meetings to blame everything on the switchmen and after I dismiss them, I already wrote, but this is far from the most important.

                      We have already formed a new management system that is very original.

                      Previously, the school principal came in the morning when everyone was at work and was engaged in the educational process and other school affairs.

                      Now, new directors (information about about a quarter of Moscow) are recruiting stupid deputies for themselves according to the same criteria as they recruited themselves.
                      And they don’t work, they come to school when they want, go about their business.
                      And when you approach the director with a problem caused by his shitty job, he is surprised and redirected to the deputy.

                      For example, so that it would not be completely unfounded, an example of one of the school associations.

                      The old team of accountants worked, the director was replaced, he worked a little and fired all accounting, except for 1 accountant.
                      To the question of the accountant "and who will calculate the salary," the director answers "that you ask me these questions, I have a deputy."
                      And they took a stupid deputy without experience a couple of weeks ago, and he, except for instagram photos, can’t upload anything else.

                      Naturally, after not paying salaries, the director dismisses the deputy and Kalina reports that I have order, I have already solved the problem!

                      This is where we are approaching the systemic problems of the military-industrial complex and what kind of managers are currently developing new complexes.
                      Such people come, disperse the staff and report on reducing production costs.
                      And after not delivering the air defense systems to the frigates or the fall of another rocket, the switchman is appointed.
                      1. NYUD
                        NYUD 4 December 2017 17: 24
                        0
                        After the Second World War in Japan, the prestige of the teacher was in second place (apparently salary, respectively). And that is why Japan made such a breakthrough.
              5. Jurkovs
                Jurkovs 30 November 2017 08: 15
                0
                Occam's razor!
              6. Nikolay Fedorov
                Nikolay Fedorov 5 December 2017 09: 26
                +1
                Quote: NordOst16
                This Americans do not have a decent taxiway? They have them, though more expensive.

                Yes, it is the Americans who do not have taxiways. None - neither worthy nor unworthy. If there were at least some lying around, they would love to fly at them, and would not ask Russia to sell them a taxiway. They can’t restore the production of engines 30 years ago, it’s easier to create new ones. Therefore, they adopted the state program for the speedy creation of the Republic of Dagestan in order to get rid of dependence on Russia.
                1. NordOst16
                  NordOst16 5 December 2017 20: 00
                  0
                  Mmm ... here you are mistaken. They just have all the technologies and production facilities for the production of old taxiways. And the well-known company will soon catch up.
            3. SERGUS
              SERGUS 29 November 2017 15: 48
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              Quote: Sasha71
              A bunch of bloggers still waited for the sweetest thing - an unsuccessful launch.

              Sorry for the sarcasm, but this "sweetest" did not take long to wait, and passes with enviable regularity.
              Quote: Sasha71
              Then who is gaining ground?

              It does not matter who conquers them, it is important that we can lose our own.
              Quote: Sasha71
              Medvedev was carefully and cunningly chosen as the target of the attack.

              The article talks about the system, not Medvedev, you do not need to pull out individual words from it.
              1. Sasha71
                Sasha71 29 November 2017 17: 27
                +3
                Your words are related only as emotions without a real comparison of the percentage of accident rate. And he, at least, is not higher than that of the Americans. Statistics available. Here on a branch in an overwhelming minority there were people who did not forget the basic rule: if you criticize, then offer. And howls and cries are not a sign of reason. And yes - to call out the detail of the word in the title of the article taken out of context? You are very biased in your apologetics. )))
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 29 November 2017 22: 19
                  +3
                  Quote: Sasha71
                  Statistics available.

                  Well, if you take for example this source: http://www.nasha-strana.info/archives/2141, then the percentage of accidents since 2011 is our largest.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 29 November 2017 23: 17
                    +3
                    Quote: SERGUS
                    Well, if you take for example this source

                    In fact, according to this source, the number of starts is the highest:
                    Russia: 160 starts / 11 unsuccessful / failure rate 6,875%
                    USA: 109 starts / 6 unsuccessful / failure rate 5,5%
                    PRC: 101 launches / 3 unsuccessful / failure rate 2,97%
                    EU: 52 starts / 1 unsuccessful / failure rate 1,92%
                    With all this, it must be taken into account that the American Atlas Vs fly on Russian RD-180s, the EU launches the Unions every year (he was surprised himself), and the “sea launch” was not taken into account at all.
                    In addition, the country's leadership made conclusions and in 2015 Roscosmos was reorganized.
                    What conclusion can be drawn?
                    Very simple. No need to cuddle in front of the "exclusive nation" because from statistics, it’s not much better than ours, despite the fact that their space programs partially rely on ours, and without the RD-180 Atlases simply will not fly, and without the Unions, astronauts will look at the ISS except through a telescope.
                    We are no less a great country with a rich history and great potential. Respect yourself and support yours first. Yes, there are problems, but if everyone lives on the principle of “my hut from the edge”, bow to foreigners and spread rot of their own, then nothing good will come of it.
                    There are problems, but there’s no need to scream.
                    1. SERGUS
                      SERGUS 30 November 2017 10: 28
                      +8
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      There are problems, but there’s no need to scream.

                      I agree with you, in principle, there is no disaster here. The thing is different: our industry begins to slowly but surely grow into cancerous tumors, and with this attitude of "not satisfied with the salary, go to business" we may lose it over time. That’s what the question says.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      In fact, according to this source, the number of starts is the highest:

                      The percentage of "failures" is the same high.
              2. turbris
                turbris 29 November 2017 21: 47
                0
                And this is not about the article, but about the comments of bloggers, if you do not understand.
            4. Palch
              Palch 29 November 2017 15: 59
              14
              Sashok 71 - the author of the article is not an all-round fan - read his posts and articles and you will see that he really is a fan of the rocket and space industry, and in particular the KBKhA. And you yourself will probably be from a cohort of affective managers having completed with difficulty an extramural municipal linguistic and economic institute in the city of Turukhansk ???
              1. Sasha71
                Sasha71 29 November 2017 17: 18
                +1
                If you show your mind, I will answer. But I understand that there are few chances. (Perhaps you live emotions, like the author of the article, but this is not my problem). To compete in the name-calling - I left the kindergarten a long time ago.
            5. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 29 November 2017 19: 03
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              Quote: Sasha71
              Then who is gaining ground? Maybe Americans who do not have decent engines? Who has a lower accident rate, more starts?

              Take a look at the end result. The United States launched 281 spacecraft in 2017, Russia - 21, fewer Chinese, those with 30.
            6. Slavors Gart
              Slavors Gart 29 November 2017 19: 24
              +8
              The Americans have more launches and fewer accidents, and the RD-180 engines, created within the framework of Russian-American cooperation, which was developed in Russia by order of the United States, and which is currently produced by the American company Pratt & Whitney at Russian production facilities. .. For thirteen years in a row, Russia was the leader in the number of space launches. But in 2016 we were overtaken by the United States and, for the first time, China. In 2017, only ONE private company SpaceX overtook Russia in the number of launches. descend to Earth Sasha ...
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 29 November 2017 19: 28
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                Quote: Slavors Gart
                and engines RD-180, created as part of Russian-American cooperation, which was developed in Russia by order of the United States,

                This is a Soviet dvigun, to the development of which neither the modern RF nor the USA have any relation.
              2. Sasha71
                Sasha71 29 November 2017 19: 48
                +5
                As for SpaceX, I would really, really doubt it. And for those commercials that Musk demonstrated landing on the platform, many serious people do not trust a single drop. And as for the fact that Rogozin’s department has a mess and he and his team have long worked out for execution according to Stalin’s concepts, this is true. I won’t argue here. I understand that there are clans behind Rogozin who do not even allow him to be removed. So it’s interesting to know who they are. I hope to read the news about the massive personnel changes in Roscosmos soon, like those that happened in the Investigative Committee. But criticism should not be indiscriminate. It would be more interesting to read the criticism balanced and constructive, with suggestions. The same article was outraged by the incompetent, emotionally uninformative character in the spirit of liberoids and all-muttering.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 30 November 2017 00: 26
                  +2
                  And what is wrong with the landing of the first stage on the platform is not so - for more details.
                2. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 30 November 2017 08: 09
                  +6
                  Quote: Sasha71
                  And as for the fact that Rogozin’s department has a mess and he and his team have long worked out for execution according to Stalin’s concepts, this is true. I won’t argue here. I understand that there are clans behind Rogozin who do not even allow him to be removed. So it’s interesting to know who they are. Hopefully, I will soon read in the news about the massive personnel changes in Roscosmos, such as those that happened in the Investigative Committee. But criticism should not be indiscriminate. It would be more interesting to read the criticism balanced and constructive, with suggestions. The same article was outraged by the incompetent, emotionally uninformative character in the spirit of liberoids and all-muttering.

                  Sasha, and you yourself are not broadcasting on emotions here? What specifically productive do you yourself offer? In your statements, the refrain sounds "all is well, beautiful marquise", and emergency starts fit into acceptable statistics?
                  Only Rogozin is to blame for the problems of the military-industrial complex, and DAM and GDP have nothing to do with it? Lenin criticized for the idea of ​​building socialism in a single country, but Rogozin should create a separate effective industry in a common mess? In your opinion, who in our country is governed by the President and the Government or mythical "clans" that do not allow the most efficient DAM and GDP to work? And if this is so, then who made these clans to the Authority who made them “untouchable”?
                  And the usual excuse, and what you offer, I will answer. You try to go on a quarrel with your superiors and make your workplace effective in a general mess and share your experience.
            7. Aopolpla
              Aopolpla 30 November 2017 09: 18
              0
              ))) / what is the popularity?))) Wake up, after 3 years it will be said how he and his team lost their voices. The drop itself is not very important, look a little back tupor Edinorossky what happened with the start of the construction of the cosmodrome, what is happening on it now, and about the shots that you tell the defender fucking in Putin. EVERYONE SLEEP ALL, REMAINING ONLY THE EARTH and for those have already taken
            8. free
              free 4 December 2017 07: 20
              0
              Quote: Sasha71
              A bunch of bloggers still waited for the sweetest thing - an unsuccessful launch. Hungry for the poor. Now they have habitually thrown themselves into a flock, gnawing, riveting and sucking on the bones. (Exclusively from the “patriotic” feelings, as always, “offensive to the state.” Probably, many articles and comments were prepared in advance. The main thesis is common (“How long ?!”) The author’s assertion that Russia is rapidly losing ground in the space industry is generally strange, then who is gaining ground, maybe Americans who don’t have decent engines, who have lower accident rates, more launches? Medvedev (and I would like to bite the GDP, but the tooth is numb because of its popularity). And why not Rogozin? Wasn’t he personally inspecting Frigate the day before? (Maybe this is the whole thing?). But, the purpose of the article is to bite, and Apparently, to cover Rogozin with Medvedev’s figure? I believe that the number of such provocative articles will increase as the elections draw near.
              And it would be naive to exclude the version of sabotage in conditions of extreme degree of exacerbation of the information war ...

              You write nonsense!
          4. arane
            arane 29 November 2017 14: 02
            +3
            Quote: SERGUS
            Quote: maxim947
            Yeah, and they will plant the very stockmen and engineers, they will be extreme.

            ... and change the search system for "scapegoats", and I think that we must start from the head, and the leader is always to blame, i.e. CEO. Only by introducing this practice can we hope that the heads of enterprises will be concerned about the state of affairs at their enterprise and carry out production modernization. Take for example the Lavochkin NGO referred to in the article. Its general director, Lemeshevsky Sergey Antonovich and, in combination, Mr. Lemeshevsky, is also a deputy of the Moscow Regional Duma. I think that if Lemeshevsky didn’t sit on two chairs at once and would not be involved in lawmaking, but would be engaged in his own business, delve into the questions of where to buy solder and so on, I would think how to improve the quality, the missiles would not fall, and if you can’t do it, it’s criminal responsibility and the next leader will reflect. While the leadership is not responsible for anything, there will be no order.
            PS
            “I am often asked about teachers and lecturers. This is a vocation, and if you want to earn money, there are lots of beautiful places where you can do it faster and better. The same business. ”

            It would be nice if the Prime Minister had a vocation and his salary was, well, thousands of 30, for example, and if you want money, go into business. hi

            Did he leave the business?
          5. Kent0001
            Kent0001 29 November 2017 15: 43
            +3
            Or maybe Medvedev is not only to blame, it also looks like the appointment of a switchman. After all, there are supervising ministers, and other people whose appointment is agreed not only with Medvedev.
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 30 November 2017 08: 14
              +6
              Quote: Kent0001
              Or maybe Medvedev is not only to blame, it also looks like the appointment of a switchman. After all, there are supervising ministers, and other people whose appointment is agreed not only with Medvedev.

              Appointments are agreed not only with Medvedev, but work is monitored, instructions are received, and strategic directions are determined precisely by Medvedev. At least this should be the case in the normal structure of government, and if it is not, then the Prime Minister is weak and must leave. If you think that the economy does not depend on the Government, then on whom does it depend, and what is the Government doing in this case?
          6. the most important
            the most important 29 November 2017 15: 56
            +4
            Quote: SERGUS
            I think that we must start from the head, and the leader is always to blame

            Well, you agree so that Dimon is guilty of everything !!! No ... he is always at business !! He fed ducks at that time ... (and to you +)
          7. vikttor2009
            vikttor2009 29 November 2017 19: 18
            +5
            What did you want? They are the Elite, and the rest are NOTHING, and nothing and nothing to pay.
          8. Ragoz
            Ragoz 29 November 2017 20: 42
            +3
            SERGUS:
            How many bears have been in the Russian Federation since 1990? And was there at least one decent.
            1. E_V_N
              E_V_N 30 November 2017 08: 16
              +5
              Quote: Ragoz
              SERGUS:
              How many bears have been in the Russian Federation since 1990? And was there at least one decent.

              There were only self-sufficient Premieres, neither Gorbachev, nor Yeltsin, nor Putin were interested.
        2. iouris
          iouris 29 November 2017 19: 19
          0
          Quote: maxim947
          those storekeepers and engineers will be planted

          And who will work out?
      2. dSK
        dSK 29 November 2017 07: 30
        32
        Hello Alexey! Return to startconfiscation", a very effective means to normalize the" appetite "of officials. hi
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 29 November 2017 08: 01
          22
          A rocket flew, fell into a swamp,
          What salary is such a job ...
          Raise the salary - get a rocket.
          Where you get the money is not our concern
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 3 December 2017 12: 58
            0
            Quote: Zibelew
            Where you get the money is not our concern

            Here we must also take into account that the bulk of our salary is in the gray zone. When I worked in a large energy holding as a surveyor engineer, I received 100 thousand a month, with an official salary of 16 rubles! The rest are various bonuses and allowances ...
        2. Alber
          Alber 29 November 2017 13: 41
          +7
          Quote: dsk
          Hello Alexey! Return to startconfiscation", a very effective means to normalize the" appetite "of officials. hi

          Support!
          And it’s time to put an article on Putin’s table, maybe he’ll open his eyes to him. And then his environment probably whispers to him, "how good everything is in our Soviet country"
        3. NordOst16
          NordOst16 29 November 2017 14: 32
          +3
          And to entrust the confiscation to the same officials. I think in the Duma without the editors and discussions will adopt a new RFP
      3. antivirus
        antivirus 29 November 2017 09: 20
        0
        it’s very simple :::: tests are underway of an underwater two medium drone (and different propulsion options (?)), there are no results from under the water - when we find out, it will scream URA
        there is no missile defense system under water-- we can easily bypass areas in Poland and Romania with Alaska
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        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 29 November 2017 11: 10
          20
          Quote: Alexander Rokov
          Hmm, the scoop of the brain is incurable.

          Well, if you like when the Minister of Education says that we should not create and consume what others are doing, then you can rejoice at the liberal values ​​that are triumphing with us now.
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 29 November 2017 14: 35
            0
            There is a very bearded joke about the West and its values:
            - This, I suppose, the spirits from the decaying west?
            - He decays, it rots, but what a smell!
            1. SERGUS
              SERGUS 29 November 2017 15: 08
              +6
              Quote: NordOst16
              - He decays, it rots, but what a smell!

              What is tasty is not always healthy.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 29 November 2017 15: 14
                0
                Yes, that's just capitalism like Elizabeth II, time rushes headlong, ideal states are destroyed, but she still does not die.
                I think that survives more fit in these conditions. And if the Western model is capable of living standards, knowledge and technology, then the same thing needs to be done.
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 29 November 2017 16: 14
                  +6
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  Yes, that's just capitalism like Elizabeth II, time rushes headlong, ideal states are destroyed, but she still does not die.

                  Evil is hard to eradicate: prostitution, drugs ... And for a moment, think that the world has been equating the United States for 70 years, it does not mean that they bring good to the world.
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  And if the Western model is capable of living standards, knowledge and technology, then the same thing needs to be done.

                  You can agree with this, you can not, but I am a supporter of the theory that each nation has its own development path, the nations as a whole, as separate people, are different from each other: someone will work and lead a family lifestyle, someone will lead a reckless way life, who does not want to work, will be interrupted from glass to glass. So are the nations.
          2. al.schenaev
            al.schenaev 29 November 2017 15: 44
            +6
            fully consistent with the slogan of the 90s: you do not need to produce anything, we will buy everything abroad.
            hence the lack of their own geniuses-creators
        2. mutantik83
          mutantik83 29 November 2017 11: 39
          +6
          Firstly, employees from the stupid Mask do not get 20 rubles, and secondly, he also doesn’t fly much))) So a bad example to follow!
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 29 November 2017 12: 58
            +5
            Mask has 16 successful starts in a row this year
            1. turbris
              turbris 29 November 2017 21: 51
              +2
              Mask did not have 16 successful launches in a row this year, most recently the stage exploded again when it landed, but you don’t care, the main thing is that you crowed and the grass doesn't grow further.
              1. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 30 November 2017 00: 05
                +1
                Quote: turbris
                There were no 16 successive starts in a row at Mask this year.

                Naturally!
                After all, there were 15 launches!
                https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_запусков_рак
                carrier_ Falcon_9
                Quote: turbris
                More recently, the stage again exploded upon landing.

                not on landing
                and not a step
                and the engine of the new modification on the test bench
                and not an engine,
                and the pipeline is on the stand, as a result of which both the stand and the engine are destroyed

                Quote: turbris
                but you don’t care, the main thing is crowed and the grass will not grow further.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 29 November 2017 13: 32
            12
            The fact that Musk employees receive much more is already an example to follow.
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 30 November 2017 00: 06
              +4
              Quote: Greenwood
              The fact that Musk employees receive much more is already an example to follow.

              That's right !!!
      5. mutantik83
        mutantik83 29 November 2017 11: 40
        +3
        I'm afraid our crap won't do this, because half of them under this article will go through the stage, because continuous degenerates.
      6. 97110
        97110 29 November 2017 12: 05
        15
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe it's time to introduce articles of the Criminal Code

        Do you really believe that there are not enough articles in the Criminal Code? About 40 years ago I also had such a gracious idea that there is no instruction in which everything is chewed. Write - and everything will be all right. Then I gained a little experience. Every article has law enforcement practice and lawyers. At HE have already been discussed about the replacement of moral standards with the rule of law. In our well-maintained country, such a replacement has happened! Proceed from the words of the President that there will be no 37 years. Never - the President said so! The recipe, sad as it may seem, is one - you need to work. To everyone. Every day, stubbornly, like forty frozen poop, hollow. And if someone does not want and will not be 37 years old ... We have what we have. At the parade of gelends, did all gelends work normally? Mara travels around Moscow? So someone needs this. Do rockets fall? So this also needs someone.
        1. Chertt
          Chertt 29 November 2017 12: 14
          +3
          Quote: 97110
          Proceed from the words of the President that there will be no 37 years. Never

          - It’s hard to disagree with the President. now 2017
          Quote: 97110
          At HE have already been discussed about the replacement of moral standards with the rule of law.

          -If this topic is discussed, not everything is lost. The growth of serious, leftist moods in society is growing
          Quote: 97110
          At the parade of gelends, did all gelends work normally?

          -And these are people who see, and are unforgettable
        2. al.schenaev
          al.schenaev 29 November 2017 15: 48
          +1
          ships also go to sea. So we need it.
        3. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 29 November 2017 18: 43
          +2
          The recipe, sad as it may seem, is one - you need to work. To everyone. Every day, stubbornly, like forty frozen poop, hollow.

          the prescription is only from those "doctors" (or "jerkers" ??) who consider a salary of a million rubles a month to be an insult ... and yes, I agree - many of us get a free shit like that ... though they go nuts for days at work according to the tariff plan "Unlimited" hi
          1. 97110
            97110 29 November 2017 19: 27
            +7
            Quote: Yuyuka
            and so, yes I agree - many of us get a frozen poop ...

            Already retired. I did not agree with the owners about the value of the price of my workforce. Until there is a strong labor movement, the price for us, as you rightly noted, is poop with an unlimited working day.
      7. saltickov.
        saltickov. 29 November 2017 12: 33
        +1
        Ish you wanted Stalin's repressions.
      8. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 29 November 2017 13: 25
        +8
        Or maybe you should not vote for the huckster in power? The country should not be ruled by hired managers, which our leaders consider themselves to be, and patriots-statesmen who are not allowed to come close to the authorities, who have stuck to the liberal huckster's feeder.
      9. Alber
        Alber 29 November 2017 13: 36
        0
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe it’s time to introduce articles of the Criminal Code for sabotage in strategically important areas of science and industry, As well as equate stupidity and incompetence to wrecking

        On an electric chair, responsible managers! Starting with Rogozin.
        And so, essentially, everything is right Skomorokhov described
        1. al.schenaev
          al.schenaev 29 November 2017 15: 50
          +1
          criminal liability has already been introduced for disrupting the execution of a state order
          1. wax
            wax 29 November 2017 19: 19
            0
            In! But here the state order is completed! Accordingly, there is no criminal liability. Article 281, Part 2 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation is more suitable here.
          2. 97110
            97110 29 November 2017 19: 29
            +1
            Quote: al.schenaev
            already entered

            Someone hurt? Or "article does not work"?
      10. iouris
        iouris 29 November 2017 19: 16
        +2
        Quote: Chertt
        it's time to introduce articles of the Criminal Code for sabotage in strategically important areas of science and industry

        They may be arrested for tax evasion while visiting the Cote d'Azur already from 23.12.17/09.01.18/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      11. ammunition
        ammunition 30 November 2017 02: 18
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe it’s time to introduce articles of the Criminal Code for sabotage in strategically important areas of science and industry,


        If .. if.
        -------------------------
        The country is in the full power of these enemies. Who will "enter"?
        The fact that we have not yet completely degraded, and have not fallen into the state of Libya, is the result only Soviet groundwork. Both in the education of people, and in the giant margin of safety of science and technology.
        But everything is already on its last legs.
        The existing system of life in the country is hopeless. The system existing since 1993 is a path of slow and painful dying.
        ------------
        Not everyone, of course. Predators and scavengers are fattening. And peace of mind gives them a lack of conscience. God give them conscience !!!!
        Give them all a conscience !!
        -------------
        I confess ... I'm even scared myself. Conscience for predators and scavengers is worse than a bullet.
      12. Zaits Vasily
        Zaits Vasily 30 November 2017 08: 31
        +1
        Everyone who works in the field of material production in strategic areas of industry does not have to pay wages at all and get them to work qualitatively under the supervision of the Russian Guard. Sandwich panel barracks are built very quickly, there will be no problems with the arrangement of camps.
      13. whinny
        whinny 30 November 2017 18: 34
        0
        But who will introduce such articles for themselves? :(
      14. Mista_dj
        Mista_dj 30 November 2017 20: 43
        +3
        Quote: Chertt
        Maybe it’s time to introduce articles of the Criminal Code for sabotage in strategically important areas of science and industry, As well as equate stupidity and incompetence to wrecking

        Salaries by the leaders and ministers - sabotage.
        Water for bread for such "successes" ...
      15. ivankursk46
        ivankursk46 2 December 2017 16: 44
        0
        Let's get 37 back. Yes, and articles in our criminal code are few, but not enough to punish the guilty
    2. perun645
      perun645 29 November 2017 08: 17
      25
      While these managers are finishing off our industry and science, casting in granite, we are doomed to extinction, and the fact that the media is poured into the ears by 90% noodles
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      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2017 19: 09
        +1
        There is only one way out - private high-tech production, in the space sector and throughout engineering.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 30 November 2017 08: 33
          +5
          Quote: Vadim237
          There is only one way out - private high-tech production, in the space sector and throughout engineering.

          Trusting in the almighty hand of the market? Are you so naive? In 90, machine-building plants have already been privatized, and where are these plants now? Closed and sold for scrap, nothing was created again. Bendukidze bought all engineering at auctions, created a holding of engineering plants, so what? There is no longer Bendukidze, not the holding, nor the factories themselves. AZLK and ZIL in Moscow were also in private hands, so where is it all now?
    3. Boris55
      Boris55 29 November 2017 09: 52
      +5
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      What the hell is this

      Another "sleeping" woke up ... Elections soon, Syria, Sochi ... Toli still will be ...
      1. SERGUS
        SERGUS 29 November 2017 11: 18
        +6
        Quote: Boris55
        Another "sleeping" woke up ... Elections soon, Syria, Sochi ...

        Everything is good with Syria; Russia will be able to cover up internal problems with successes in foreign policy.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 November 2017 11: 38
          +1
          Quote: SERGUS
          Syria is just fine

          It is precisely because in Syria that it is good, and not only, that the sleeping agents of the USA (West) are activated, spoiling us on all fronts.
          1. SERGUS
            SERGUS 29 November 2017 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: Boris55
            the sleeping agents of the USA (West) are activated, spoiling us on all fronts.

            Is it in our government that US agents are sitting?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 29 November 2017 14: 42
              +7
              Quote: SERGUS
              Is it in our government that US agents are sitting?

              Do you doubt it? The United States in the 90s formed the entire current comprador elite and you think that they themselves have resolved? laughing
              1. SERGUS
                SERGUS 29 November 2017 15: 25
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                Do you doubt it? The United States in the 90s formed the entire current comprador elite and you think that they themselves have resolved?

                But how then to remove them? Again, arrange a revolution belay ... and in their place American agents will come again. Mutual responsibility?
          2. creak
            creak 29 November 2017 15: 07
            +5
            Quote: Boris55
            sleeping agents of the USA (West) are activated, spoiling us on all fronts.

            And even in the porches, and on the side of the road. landfills are arranged. They woke up and stopped at nothing, that they were getting up with wagons of electric trains, horror .... They were fulfilling handouts of their overseas owners ... am
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 29 November 2017 17: 03
              +2
              Quote: ranger
              And even in the porches, and on the side of the road. landfills are arranged ....

              And these are the results of their work.
              The devastation in the heads is not born by itself, it is being eagerly formed.
        2. al.schenaev
          al.schenaev 29 November 2017 15: 52
          +1
          need to be able to cover too
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 29 November 2017 10: 21
      24
      The novel "zhzhot" is not a joke. belay Medvedev’s “optimizations” have all taken and lead to the destruction of competence in almost all sectors of the economy, education and medicine. It seems that someone needs it. But certainly not Russia.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 29 November 2017 10: 28
        25
        The boyars are bad, the king is good, he appointed excellent boyars
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 29 November 2017 11: 47
          +3
          Quote: BlackMokona
          The boyars are bad, the king is good, he appointed excellent boyars

          According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the president (in your opinion, the tsar) Has no right:
          - form and appoint a government without the consent of other authorities (Article 83 Article 103);
          - make laws (v. 105);
          - interpret them (Art. 125 p. 5);
          - do not sign the law or to amend it (Article 107 p. З).

          So who is more important - the one who writes the duties (Duma), or the one who fulfills them (the president)?
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 29 November 2017 13: 03
            +6
            But it has the right to disperse the State Duma that is enough.
            Article 111, paragraph 4
            And she can disperse the government
            Article 117, paragraph 3
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 29 November 2017 14: 44
              +2
              Quote: BlackMokona
              But it has the right to disperse the State Duma that is enough.

              In 1993, with the dispersal of the White House, 15 republics were dispersed. Today in Russia there are 24 so far independent - do you want them to become completely independent? And how many people are going to ditch, while they will specify the boundaries between themselves?
              ps. So who is more important, the president or the Duma? laughing
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 29 November 2017 16: 53
                +1
                The USSR fell apart in 1991, you don’t know the story at all.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 29 November 2017 17: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: BlackMokona
                  The USSR fell apart in 1991, you don’t know the story at all.

                  The papers were signed in December of the 91st, but their irreversibility was after the 93rd.
                  ps. So who is more important, the president or the Duma?
                  1. Blackmokona
                    Blackmokona 29 November 2017 17: 27
                    0
                    Irreversibility began even earlier when all these republics began to declare independence and plunder the leaving Soviet troops.
                    And so obviously the President.
              2. SERGUS
                SERGUS 29 November 2017 17: 21
                +3
                Quote: Boris55
                In 1993, with the dispersal of the White House, 15 republics were dispersed.

                What are you talking about ? We lost 15 republics in 90-91. The events of 1993 are a constitutional crisis and there were no territorial losses during these events.
            2. al.schenaev
              al.schenaev 29 November 2017 15: 54
              +1
              And our common and best friend AK-No, the year of manufacture can disperse both of them (without a hint of a coup)
          2. SERGUS
            SERGUS 29 November 2017 17: 04
            +7
            Quote: Boris55
            to form and appoint a government without the consent of other authorities (Article 83 Article 103)

            I explain: the President proposes the candidacy of the Prime Minister, the Duma either approves or not. Now answer me the question: did he (the President) offer someone normal and the Duma did not approve and he had to put Medvedev as a compromise?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 29 November 2017 17: 08
              +3
              Quote: SERGUS
              The Duma either approves or not.

              And in your opinion, Medlvedev, who is the chairman of the EP party, the largest party in the Duma, with which Putin did not dare to go to the polls and was forced to create a ONF, accidentally turned out to be the prime minister? laughing
              1. SERGUS
                SERGUS 29 November 2017 18: 19
                +4
                Quote: Boris55
                And in your opinion Medlvedev

                Quote: Boris55
                accidentally turned out to be the chairman of the government?

                In my opinion, it is no coincidence that they have long been familiar with GDP and go side by side, this is not a secret for anyone, and it does not contradict common sense. If we consider your version that Medvedev and United Russia have no relation to GDP, then why didn’t GDP offer its candidate for Prime Minister to show the people that Medvedev is forced.
                Quote: Boris55
                the largest party in the Duma, with which Putin did not dare to go to the polls and was forced to create a ONF

                That is, the party that created the GDP got out of its control? In this case, GDP is a bad leader, if what he does turns against him.
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 29 November 2017 20: 39
                  0
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  they have long been familiar with GDP

                  Putin and Medvedev are representatives of different clans who have different intentions regarding Russia. THERE - no friends. THERE are only corporate interests.
                  Quote: SERGUS
                  That is, the party that created the GDP got out of its control?

                  That's right. For so many years, only a few remained of his supporters in it.
                  Any structure is created to solve certain problems. If there were his EP, there would be no need to create a new ONF structure.
                  1. SERGUS
                    SERGUS 29 November 2017 22: 25
                    +2
                    Quote: Boris55
                    That's right. For so many years, only a few remained of his supporters in it.

                    In this case, I repeat, GDP is a bad leader, if what he does turns against him.
                    Quote: Boris55
                    If there were his EP, there would be no need to create a new ONF structure.

                    The ONF does not carry any political component.
                    1. Blackmokona
                      Blackmokona 30 November 2017 06: 55
                      +1
                      If the State Duma refuses three times to accept a chair pleasing to the president, then according to the constitution he can disperse it to hell
                    2. Boris55
                      Boris55 30 November 2017 08: 01
                      +1
                      Quote: SERGUS
                      In this case, I repeat, GDP is a bad leader,

                      Or the forces opposing him are very strong.
                      Quote: SERGUS
                      The ONF does not carry any political component.

                      Yes. The ONF is not a political party and nevertheless has a significant influence on the political life of society - it has chosen the president.
                      1. SERGUS
                        SERGUS 30 November 2017 10: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Or the forces opposing him are very strong.

                        Each force has a center, i.e. someone is in charge, tell me the name of the chief (in Russia, you don’t need to name the American president), who is this strong?
                        Quote: Boris55
                        Yes. The ONF is not a political party and nevertheless has a significant influence on the political life of society - it has chosen the president.

                        How ?
                  2. E_V_N
                    E_V_N 30 November 2017 08: 51
                    +2
                    Quote: Boris55

                    Any structure is created to solve certain problems. If there were his EP, there would be no need to create a new ONF structure.

                    The ONF was created not because the EP got out of the control of GDP, but to portray the participation of the "broad masses" in shaping the state’s policy. The ONF is not a party, does not participate in the elections, it has no real leverage except the ability to sometimes "ask" questions to the president. Well, how else to designate the possibility, on the basis of ONF, to quickly create a replacement for EP in the event of force majeure, such as the failure of EP in the elections.
                  3. Technician72
                    Technician72 1 December 2017 21: 18
                    +3
                    Putin is a clear agent of influence, all these games with sanctions, import substitution, all these are links of one chain. The rich get richer, and the poor continue to pay for it.
                    1. Peter Ivanov
                      Peter Ivanov 5 December 2017 11: 13
                      0
                      What other valuable agents do you have in addition to Influence? This refers not to blah, blah, but from the operational dictionary?
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 30 November 2017 08: 41
                +3
                Quote: Boris55
                Quote: SERGUS
                The Duma either approves or not.

                And in your opinion, Medlvedev, who is the chairman of the EP party, the largest party in the Duma, with which Putin did not dare to go to the polls and was forced to create a ONF, accidentally turned out to be the prime minister? laughing

                Do you seriously consider United Russia a political party? But you forgot that GDP was the chairman of EP, and only after the second term you refused to head.
          3. E_V_N
            E_V_N 30 November 2017 08: 36
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: BlackMokona
            The boyars are bad, the king is good, he appointed excellent boyars

            According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the president (in your opinion, the tsar) Has no right:
            - form and appoint a government without the consent of other authorities (Article 83 Article 103);
            - make laws (v. 105);
            - interpret them (Art. 125 p. 5);
            - do not sign the law or to amend it (Article 107 p. З).

            So who is more important - the one who writes the duties (Duma), or the one who fulfills them (the president)?

            Do you believe in the independence of the Duma and its independence from the President? But what about "United Russia" having an absolute majority?
          4. Zaits Vasily
            Zaits Vasily 30 November 2017 08: 39
            +2
            Article 83

            President of Russian Federation:
            c) decide on the resignation of the Government of the Russian Federation;
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 29 November 2017 11: 11
        18
        Yes, Roman annealed normally. Plusanul. +
        It only seems to me that Dimon is not the most important "doctor evil" in this tragicomedy called "the utilization of Russia."
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 29 November 2017 17: 35
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          It only seems to me that Dimon is not the most important "doctor evil" in this tragicomedy called "the utilization of Russia."

          It’s just that he is entirely for the liberals, and the second person of the state. GDP cannot be blamed, as they say with a clear conscience, it’s kind of like with liberals, but it doesn’t turn away from the people, it’s like for us, for the people, but it’s like not, but in any case it’s probably the only one among the high rulers not turned away from the people.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 29 November 2017 17: 42
            +9
            Quote: SERGUS
            but in any case, he is probably the only one of the highest rulers who has not turned his back on the people.

            The fact is that he did not turn to the people.
    5. Dart
      Dart 29 November 2017 12: 05
      +3
      In general, it is necessary to transfer power to the military.
      Even if it's called, but not the current disgrace.
      1. your1970
        your1970 29 November 2017 17: 01
        +2
        Quote: Dartys
        In general, it is necessary to transfer power to the military.
        Even if it's called, but not the current disgrace.
        -ag, and then:
        "There are three ways to solve any problems, namely: 1) right, 2) wrong, 3) military" ......

        only here’s another problem, the military also has awesome corruption ..
    6. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 29 November 2017 12: 43
      0
      So the same people will collect them anyway.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2017 19: 14
        +1
        In such conditions, to create almost complete automation of production, let the robotics collect the rockets, and supercomputers check at the stands.
    7. nickname7
      nickname7 30 November 2017 19: 09
      0
      There is money, for example, in Rosnano. A gigantic amount of money, rushnanno profukivaet nowhere. Now, if you close this office, and let the money go into the space industry, then the rockets will stop falling.
      1. bunta
        bunta 1 December 2017 21: 32
        +2
        Quote: nickname7
        Now, if you close this office, and let the money go into the space industry, then the rockets will stop falling.

        No, they will not stop. In the end, they will still end up in the same place where they leave Rosnano.
    8. 116
      116 1 December 2017 21: 44
      +2
      The result of a reformed paid education. The main thing is that the "boy was brought up" and say and do what solid uncles and aunts advise. It is good that the Union has remained a strong backlog.
    9. Tda tar
      Tda tar 4 December 2017 19: 31
      0
      the military’s system of military ranks does not at least eliminate, but at least makes it difficult to move up the “super-duper young managers” (of course, if they are not female, then there are no obstacles and there cannot be any). Therefore, a military satellite is in a calculated orbit. And the frigate is at the bottom.
  2. ADmA_RUS
    ADmA_RUS 29 November 2017 06: 41
    +2
    What does this do in the Analytics section?
    To draw conclusions without having facts, and without conducting an appropriate analysis ...
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 29 November 2017 06: 52
      +9
      This is pain coming from the heart.
    2. klaus16
      klaus16 29 November 2017 07: 37
      16
      And what is not a fact - salaries? They are all in the public domain. So draw your conclusions.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 29 November 2017 16: 43
        +3
        The fact that satellites instead of orbit were launched into the World Ocean
  3. Grandfather
    Grandfather 29 November 2017 06: 46
    11
    Mr. Medvedev, do you really care so much about what is going on at Roscosmos?
    in vain are you so, Skomorokhov ...
  4. vlad007
    vlad007 29 November 2017 07: 02
    23
    It is not only and not so much the salary of a turner, locksmith, driver, engineer, minister. IMPUNITY begets irresponsibility! This also applies to theft of budget money. Why was the confiscation of property for embezzlement of budget funds removed from the articles of the Criminal Code?
    1. 97110
      97110 29 November 2017 12: 08
      +8
      Quote: vlad007
      Why was the confiscation of property for embezzlement of budget funds removed from the articles of the Criminal Code?

      The legislator is aware of "Do not dig into another hole - you yourself will fall into it."
  5. Nonna
    Nonna 29 November 2017 07: 05
    43
    The insanity and degradation of the current power of downshifters is just going wild. Starting from a reindeer herder with his 15 million peasants who did not fit into his bright urbanistic migrant workers' future in Russia to his colleagues in the Foreign Ministry with their concerns. Under Stalin, Medvedev’s career would have ended at logging, while the rest of the “successful” menagers would have been shot.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 29 November 2017 12: 46
      +6
      Well, again Sobyanin is to blame. What you are writing now is the absolutely understandable position of a normal person. That's just the information submitted to you is slightly distorted by the submission of journalists. The main thing for the media is to have time to shout something before the others. Therefore, they don’t have enough time to read the interview completely and think about the meaning.
      Sobyanin's words - “15 of millions of people who, by and large, are not needed for agricultural production, taking into account new productivity technologies in the countryside. It’s either officials, or social workers, or someone else. ”
      This is a rebuke to the authorities, first of all, which is not able to provide these people with the necessary employment for the country. And then in almost every village we have our own government, our own officials, our own legislative assembly, and much more. These people, in fact, have nothing to do with production. All according to the classics - one with a bipod, seven with a spoon. And this, by the way, is not only in the countryside.
      So here Sobyanin was modest. Exactly the same thing can be observed in the space industry. A lot of people who can be safely removed from this work and provide them with employment in other areas. Here are the reserves for the remuneration of specialists. There is enough money there.
      About felling you thought, too, of course, sound. Only I have a poor idea of ​​how our entire government (with the exception of a couple of ministers of power ministries) will join hands in unison and together with deputies of the State Duma will go in order to cut down forests in orderly columns.
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 November 2017 16: 20
        10
        A couple of security ministers there too! Min of defense, he is before the national geographical society, there is nothing to do in the RF Armed Forces? MOE? rotten tankers, the salary of the driver is 8 thousand rubles, I (the guard commander of the drive) have a salary of 10470 hazel grouses. 5 years, the salaries did not increase, as did the military (in 2013 I received 54% of the retirement pension) and leave them free ?.
        Teachers, social workers, doctors, police and firefighters, CHILDREN (!!!) these "extra" millions do not plow the land, do not harvest bread, corn and sunflowers at night, but without them there will be no one to clean.
        Sobyanin is right, he will do everything for Moscow, beyond the Moscow Ring Road for such Russia.
        New technologies? Capture of header SK-5 "Niva" 4 meters, hopper 1,5 tons, for comparison, "Akros" (both production Rostselmash) header 8 meters, hopper 5 tons. Instead of 4 people - one, the other three, as in the Navy, a grate to the legs and overboard. Where do they go, they are "extra", only to the cities to earn money.
        In my opinion, if you do not know life in the village, there is nothing to talk about the village
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 November 2017 19: 26
          +3
          "New technologies? Capture of the SK-5 Niva header 4 meters, 1,5 ton bunker; for comparison, Akros (both Rostselmash manufactures) has a 8 meter header and 5 tons bunker. Instead of 4 people, one, the other three, like navy, grate to the legs and overboard. Where do they go, they are "extra", only in the city to earn money. " And this is a global trend, the technique is more effective - there is less manual labor and the number of unemployed will only grow every year, as they will be replaced by automation, in the long run there will be one way out - solid private owners, engineers, technologists, CNC operators and maintenance workers - or you are engaged in private business, or you are out of work - low-skilled workers will not be needed in all areas of life.
          1. Dr_engie
            Dr_engie 29 November 2017 20: 46
            0
            In principle, there is no such work for everyone.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 29 November 2017 21: 55
              +1
              And the rest - will be sent to explore the bowels of our solar system.
          2. E_V_N
            E_V_N 30 November 2017 09: 11
            +6
            Quote: Vadim237
            all private traders, engineers, technologists, CNC operators and maintenance workers — are either engaged in private business or you are unemployed — low-skilled workers will not be needed in all areas of life.

            Do you probably wake up from these notorious "effective managers"? But nothing that for a reaper of 8 meters you need a field 4 times larger and 8 times smoother than for a 4 meter? It’s possible to make a 100 meter reaper, there are no problems, but is there just enough steppes as flat as a table where you can use this reaper and will the fertile layer be blown away after a year without forest shelterbelts? It is possible to manage a CNC machine tool in Vladivostok from Moscow, the Internet and technologies allow, only if it will be economically feasible and what will happen if the connection fails, the entire production across the country will rise, what will the consequences of the failure result in and who will eliminate it? "Effective" from Moscow to Vladivostok fly machine restart? Technology by technology, but you also need to have a head, so as not to break firewood.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 1 December 2017 13: 37
              +1
              Four meters will remain, but the equipment will work around the clock, in automatic mode, there will only be maintenance personnel and several operators to monitor the operation of this equipment on the field, in the future agricultural machinery will become robotic - this is inevitable. Management of CNC machines from Moscow is idiocy, you can only monitor the work, for my production I receive orders - drawings in electronic form, send - in the field they receive and begin to make parts for CNC, the first manufactured part, I send it to the customer - so to speak, to check the full technical compliance.
              1. E_V_N
                E_V_N 2 December 2017 22: 06
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                Four meters will remain, but the equipment will work around the clock, in automatic mode, there will only be maintenance personnel and several operators to monitor the operation of this equipment on the field, in the future agricultural machinery will become robotic - this is inevitable.

                So you yourself said about 8 meters that they are better and more effective, or have changed your mind? In theory, working round the clock is good, "it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines." Do you know how many nuances there are in agriculture? Morning dew - you need to wait until it evaporates, otherwise collect raw bread that immediately “lights up” For different crops, you need different equipment, for different bread heights, reconfiguring the combine, etc. etc.
                Quote: Vadim237
                Management of CNC machines from Moscow is idiocy, you can only monitor the work

                You won’t believe it, but managing from Moscow on the Internet is being considered and discussed quite seriously by our “effective” ones.
  6. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 29 November 2017 07: 09
    26
    One selective Russian mat only wants to be pronounced after such "achievements" and looking at the smooth and sleek images of some members of the government on the TV screen during different meetings, too ... There are no further words.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2017 07: 16
      +7
      There are no further words.


      Calmer ... smile if there are no words, lay out your thoughts ... Russia is a wonderland ... you can easily drown several billion rubles in the ocean without incurring any responsibility.
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 29 November 2017 13: 34
        +1
        Rejoice, we now have an ocean satellite constellation laughing So it was all conceived)
        But seriously, Rogozin has long been voiced by workers at the Roskosmos enterprises and where are the results ???
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 29 November 2017 07: 41
      +3
      Tatar174-and you combine, use Russian and Tatar mat together! !!
    3. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 29 November 2017 09: 10
      0
      Are the results of your work burned out? No?
      Have you lost your money? No?
      Why so many emotions?
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 29 November 2017 09: 16
        10
        Why so many emotions?


        Man for the state is insulting ... I think so what
        1. freejack
          freejack 29 November 2017 10: 34
          +1
          Again justified ... smiling! ... (((Now everyone will troll: Jews, hohLy, libroids and democrats ... And everyone will be right ... And they have nothing to argue ... Medvedev gently and smoothly, loving and smiling is finishing off a country that is about to rise from its knees ... And this is my prime minister - how am I to LUBLO him !!!!!!!! repeat
        2. Tatar 174
          Tatar 174 29 November 2017 16: 57
          +4
          Quote: The same Lech
          Why so many emotions?


          Man for the state is insulting ... I think so what

          Yes, it’s a shame for the power, unlike some, who wouldn’t lose their personal money.
          Quote: ADmA_RUS
          Are the results of your work burned out? No?
          Have you lost your money? No?
          Why so many emotions?

          The results of my work there are also the results of the work of my friends and our children and millions more like us.
        3. ADmA_RUS
          ADmA_RUS 29 November 2017 21: 11
          0
          And what is the state?
  7. omit
    omit 29 November 2017 07: 16
    30
    Gentlemen, do not be fooled. In Russia, everything depends on President Putin. If he holds Medvedev, then he needs him. But for some reason, only Putin knows that.
    1. Azim77
      Azim77 29 November 2017 07: 30
      +6
      There are people who are weak in oratory, in strategy, but good as clerks. Medvedev from this category is a competent bureaucrat, lawyer. Works well with papers. Time-building, time-management, etc. its element. Here they are holding him. But as a leader, initiator or organizer who can hit the table - to put it mildly, this is not his calling. IMHO, of course. Personnel hunger in the highest echelons of power is now noticeable around the world.
    2. ultra
      ultra 29 November 2017 11: 24
      +2
      Quote: omit
      Gentlemen, do not be fooled. In Russia, everything depends on President Putin.

      And you would not go to the "garden" dear!
    3. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 29 November 2017 11: 38
      12

      “If he holds Medvedev, then he needs him. But for some reason, only Putin knows that.
      "Come on!
      -Do you see such an object as a "tank farm"? A dozen huge tanks with fuel and at least two dozen towers of lightning rods. So, such as Chubais, Medvedev, and the like, are "critical offsets" from the main character. By the way, this character, several times, directly and openly explained the need for such "scapegoats."
      1. kepmor
        kepmor 29 November 2017 14: 15
        +3
        You are like no one close to the truth.
    4. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 November 2017 16: 23
      +2
      Under the king there was always a buffoon (whom he listened to), well, a boy for a beat should also be. I like, just in case
      1. CT-55_11-9009
        CT-55_11-9009 1 December 2017 15: 08
        0
        Quote: al.schenaev
        Under the king there was always a buffoon (whom he listened to)

        On the role of a buffoon, in fact, Zhirinovsky.
  8. Nix1986
    Nix1986 29 November 2017 07: 26
    16
    I will say this, our business owner has the same personnel policy - I need a McDonald's staff, but at the same time high-tech and productive. Of all 3 words, we have only personnel McDonald's. Because 300 chichmeks for 300 lathes is real, and 30 chichmeks for 30 CNC machines and 3D printing, whatever you want is already fantastic. And judging by the article by Medvedev in the theater, the GDP fulfills its role as it should - all the jambs fall on him. The king is a saint, and the boyars are devils.
  9. Herculesic
    Herculesic 29 November 2017 07: 39
    +6
    Right now, we will shake our fists angrily, but in fact everything will remain as it is, because it suits everyone! !!!!!! Vedmedev had to be launched into space with these satellites, they would be played and eaten! !!!!
  10. avia12005
    avia12005 29 November 2017 07: 41
    13
    We must declare a voluntary fundraising and make one space multi-seat ship, put the government there and send it into orbit. Breaks - okay. Will go into orbit - the same thing. And so, and so Russia is better.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2017 09: 09
      +7
      Quote: avia12005
      It is necessary to announce a voluntary fundraising and make one multi-seat spacecraft, put the government there and send it into orbit.

  11. Altona
    Altona 29 November 2017 07: 44
    34
    Yesterday they wrote that the priest was guilty, consecrating either the satellite itself, or the entire equipped rocket. Like, and his censer was not of that system, and the oil was a bit sparingly incense, and in general he carried out a ritual rite. Kuraev and Chaplin, as two "experts" in the space field, even got to grips with this topic on the Internet, saying, I know for sure what prayer the rocket surely breaks through the firmament of heaven. One of them even boasted that his prayers gave guaranteed successful launches. In general, the Earth is goodbye, Amen.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2017 07: 52
      +7
      One of them even boasted that his prayers gave guaranteed successful launches.


      Wonderful are your affairs LORD !!! what
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 November 2017 16: 25
        +3
        mysterious ways of the Lord
    2. Azim77
      Azim77 29 November 2017 08: 30
      +8
      Quote: Altona
      Like, and censer he had the wrong system, and oil smoked a bit stingy, and generally held a careless rite. Kuraev and Chaplin, as two "experts" in the space field, even got to grips on the Internet on this subject, they say, I know for sure at which prayer the rocket confidently breaks the firmament of heaven. One of them even boasted that his prayers gave guaranteed successful launches. In general, the Earth is goodbye, Amen.
      good

      "Gruzdev called himself get in the body". Since sanctification helped earlier, then this time the priest certainly wasn’t working.
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 29 November 2017 13: 35
      +9
      Quote: Altona
      Yesterday they wrote that the priest was guilty, consecrating either the satellite itself, or the entire equipped rocket. Like, and his censer was not of that system, and the oil was a bit stingy, and in general he carried out a ritual rite.


      Well, they immediately found the reason! Well, and what conclusions will be - to deprive the priest of the rank of incompetence and file a lawsuit against the Russian Orthodox Church?
  12. Ren
    Ren 29 November 2017 07: 59
    +2
    There is no information on the launch failure on the Roskosmos website, there is only:
    On November 28, 2017, the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle with the Frigate upper stage was launched from the VOSTOCHNY cosmodrome. The main objective of the launch was to launch the Meteor-M spacecraft No. 2-1 into the sun-synchronous orbit.
    As a result of the work of the Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle, the head unit consisting of the Fregat RB and the Meteor-M spacecraft was put into a given intermediate orbit. However, during the first scheduled communication session with the spacecraft, it was not possible to establish communication due to its absence in the target orbit. Information is currently being analyzed..

    So where does infa come from, that the launch is unsuccessful - is it unclear, or just to make a sound, like with ruthenium? request
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 November 2017 08: 15
      15
      Well, on the website of the government and the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, they also don’t write that from a quarter to a third of budget money is stolen, but this is reality hi
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 29 November 2017 19: 30
        +2
        In Russia, just the same quarter of the budget is stolen.
    2. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 29 November 2017 10: 32
      +1
      Our ruthenium was confirmed.
      http://www.meteorf.ru/product/infomaterials/91/15
      078 /? Sphrase_id = 134576
      And do not confirm, because they lost it in orbit. They can’t find. It may have fallen, or it may fly somewhere.
      1. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 November 2017 16: 28
        +3
        he has tires out of season: during acceleration he skidded around the corner, and they don’t know where he suffered !!!
    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 29 November 2017 16: 47
      +2
      Don’t worry, they have already confirmed that the Frigate drowned in the Atlantic ... everything is confirmed with ruthenium, here the people are not stupid, they can read the news
      1. Ren
        Ren 30 November 2017 05: 51
        0
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Don’t worry, they have already confirmed that the Frigate drowned in the Atlantic ... everything is confirmed with ruthenium, here the people are not stupid, they can read the news

        But what, did the Frigate have to fly to the Moon / Mars / Venus or stay in orbit? He and regularly had to flood. hi
        And with ruthenium, what exactly is confirmed that the leak at the Lighthouse? lol
        For reference, if a leak occurs from the Lighthouse, then not only ruthenium will be there, but cesium will also be required.
        Do you think the first person in the state would go to the danger zone in the first days of infection? bully
        Russian President Vladimir Putin arrived in Chelyabinsk on Thursday November 9 to take part in the Russian-Kazakhstan Forum and hold talks with Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev
  13. EvilLion
    EvilLion 29 November 2017 08: 08
    +1
    The rocket is good, but the storekeepers are to blame. It would be nice for the author to decide.

    Well and yes, the people will be the first to conquer, if they are punished really inevitably. And then the people are good, the boyars are bad. No, the boyars are all exactly the same, and they come from this very people.
    1. Same lech
      Same lech 29 November 2017 08: 13
      +3
      And then the people are good, the boyars are bad. No, the boyars are all exactly the same, and they come from this very people.

      smile Flog ... flog all and boyars and people and nobles ...

      Hmm ... something bad thoughts came to me ... as if the tsar-king did not seriously take seriously.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 29 November 2017 09: 14
        +1
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Hmm ... something bad thoughts came to me ... as if the tsar-king did not seriously take seriously.

        Well, he will say again: "Are you out of your mind ...?" and that's it ...
      2. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 29 November 2017 16: 49
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Hmm ... something bad thoughts came to me ... as if the tsar-king did not seriously take seriously.

        and what will he do? Announces reprimand for incomplete official compliance ?! wassat
    2. free
      free 29 November 2017 08: 43
      +4
      Quote: EvilLion
      The rocket is good, but the storekeepers are to blame. It would be nice for the author to decide.

      Well and yes, the people will be the first to conquer, if they are punished really inevitably. And then the people are good, the boyars are bad. No, the boyars are all exactly the same, and they come from this very people.

      The one who is in power is to blame for the "fish rots from the head," but the cleaner will be made guilty. That is incomprehensible.
  14. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 29 November 2017 08: 13
    23
    "Mr. Medvedev, do you really care so much about what's going on at Roskosmos?" - Roman Skomorokhov.
    Yes, they don’t just give a damn - they don’t care! These are temporary workers! Faithful followers of Nikita Sergeyevich’s slogan: “A true communist doesn’t have anything to manage, the Bolshoi Theater or the millionaire collective farm ...” I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the quotation - I was a youngster at that time. As far as I can remember, professionals were purposely "cleared" from the sphere of material production. They refused to “make Stakhanov’s records”, to sow by April 22nd, etc. etc. The notorious party leadership ... How many good engineers I knew and still know who they “left” because of their inconvenience to high-ranking officials.
    The result of such activities in the Atlantic Ocean.
  15. Serg65
    Serg65 29 November 2017 08: 15
    14
    Roman, I have never (at least in my memory) read your articles about the achievements of Russia! The question arises .... Whose are you ??? Yes, of course, now everyone will rush to praise and scream you ... but then we turned the world upside down, and now there is one shame! The rocket and that cannot normally launch into space, liberals, oligarchs, traitors, variety !!!
    But a hundred years ago, the country was rocked in exactly the same way, out of the slightest blunder, a whole storm was fanned! Unfortunately, Russia has always been famous for the crazy ones who are too lazy to delve into history, read, analyze, but who like to look into someone else’s pocket, blame the whole World for their failures and believe all sorts of nonsense!
    A novel, especially for your readership!
    The 1961 year (before the birth of D, A, Medvedev was still the whole 4 of the year) accident on the K-19 nuclear submarine, due to the slovenliness of the 6 WELDER RECEIVING A PAYABLE SALARY BY THESE MEASURES, a nuclear explosion almost expired in the vast Barents!
    The same 1961 year - the Kurchenev tragedy that claimed 1500 lives of Soviet people
    1978 year (Medvedev is studying in the 7 class) the Soviet satellite US-A of the Lgenda ICRC with a nuclear reactor on board fell into Canada.
    1980 year (Medvedev was given a USSR passport) accident at the Plesetsk cosmodrome, 48 people died.
    1983-th year (Medvedev student of Leningrad State University) another US-A fell into the Indian Ocean.
    1988 year (Medvedev serves in the SA), another US-A satellite was out of order, but it was destroyed in space.
    And how many similar accidents were during our beautiful Soviet youth? And if you, Roman, on the pages of Komsomolskaya Pravda decided to write about Soviet disorder and about the incomes of Politburo members and ministers of the USSR, then travel to Magadan at the expense of the state would be given to you within a month, and now write - I don’t want and EVERYTHING is BAD! !! wassat
    1. faiver
      faiver 29 November 2017 08: 38
      +9
      Well, do you think everything is fine? (beautiful marquise, everything is better than ever ...) hi
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 29 November 2017 09: 11
        +8
        Quote: faiver
        Well, do you think everything is fine? (beautiful marquise, everything is better than ever ...) hi

        And you, dear marquise, think that everything is bad? Are the plants standing? Do people swell from hunger? The enemy attacked? What is bad then?
        I just do not think that everything is good, but not bad hi
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 29 November 2017 09: 18
          15
          Quote: Serg65
          Are the plants standing? Do people swell from hunger? The enemy attacked?

          and what is not of the above? request in the regions, almost it is, the plants are ruined, the people do not die only in spite of the authorities, they live off the economy, and the war is around in any form ...
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 29 November 2017 09: 37
            +7
            Quote: Dead Day
            in the regionsalmost and there

            Dear, do you recall how the people in the regions have lived for the past 100 years? How did plants and collective farms sit at state buildings under the USSR? Or with whose money do most Russians visit foreign resorts? No, well, of course you can, if you dig well, and find a flaw in your house ..... I have a wooden fence, and a neighbor-myroeed from the corrugated board put !!!!
        2. Suhov
          Suhov 29 November 2017 14: 54
          +3
          Quote: Serg65
          I just do not think that everything is good, but not bad


          And what good is it?
          The far right “green surge” is the result of a one-time “handout” to pensioners by 5 tr, instead of indexing pensions ...
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 29 November 2017 15: 04
            +9
            Quote: Sukhov
            The far right "green surge" is the result of a single "handout" to pensioners for 5 tr

            My friend Sukhov, my grandmother, having worked for 23 years on a collective farm, received 30 rub. retirement and did not cry at every corner. She gave her pension to her grandchildren for sweets, because she was fully provided for her children and so what?
            My father, a veteran of the Great Patriotic War, receives 30 thousand rubles, and when the Union only in the 90th began to receive rations .... it’s ridiculous to say ... paid by Germany !!!!
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 29 November 2017 09: 40
      +6
      Quote: Serg65

      Good comment good
      Not an article, but an emotional female hysteria with snot, neither logic nor meaning, nor constructive, to match it and the main set of comments, "thieves everywhere", "deffective managers" etc. poor Medvedev laughingIn short, earlier it was the main set of a true liberal, all-polymers. True, any negative argument must be found on grants in order to spit on the authorities, thereby proving their owners' ability to work, and most importantly, sowing a self-sustaining built on stupid emotions, negative reaction among the people to power, for subsequent displacement, and everything will come under this, including bad weather on Mars. But now it has become the property of the “people”, and at the same time everyone personally knows who, where, how and how much, their indignant mind boils in short. At the same time, they appeal to Stalin, who first of all would put fools to the wall of fools for panking, and the second, without haste, figured out all the other contra.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 29 November 2017 10: 02
        +6
        Quote: SPACE
        At the same time, they appeal to Stalin, who would first put fools to the wall of fools for poker, and the second, without haste, figured out all the other contra.

        bully Truly true!
        At the same time, the Father of the people did not disdain to buy plants and technologies from the bourgeoisie! And to get the atomic bomb for several years, Siberia kept on a starvation diet!
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    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 29 November 2017 10: 33
      +8
      Quote: Serg65
      And how many similar accidents were during our beautiful Soviet youth? And if you, Roman, on the pages of Komsomolskaya Pravda decided to write about Soviet disorder and about the incomes of Politburo members and ministers of the USSR, then travel to Magadan at the expense of the state would be given to you within a month, and now write - I don’t want and EVERYTHING is BAD! !!

      Oh thanks ! How well and clearly everything was explained! It used to be bad, but write about it, no, no! Now "bad squared", but you can write about it .... What a blessing! With tears (joyful) in his eyes! When they sang: "From the sky, an asterisk fell straight to my dear in my pants ... nothing that everything burned down ... if only there was no war!" Only now the berries have ripened (!) ... the satellites are already lying in bundles ... and nothing that the budget is on fire ... if only the oligarchic-comprador layer was not touched! ots-tots-peretots, eats compote!
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 29 November 2017 10: 57
        +5
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Oh thanks

        laughing Explain to me a collective farmer, you are our comedian, how do the party apparatchiks differ from current officials? And where did you see that I condemned life in the USSR?
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Used to be poorlybut write about it no-no-no!

        Where did I write what was bad ???
        And what to write about this no-no, here you are right!
        On April 26, Chernobyl fluttered, and on May 1, the CPSU led Kiev to a demonstration and not a word gu-gu about the radioactive danger .... and who are these party leaders after that?
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 29 November 2017 12: 22
          +3
          Quote: Serg65
          you are our comedian

          Yes there is no reason to "humor"! Jackpot (506 MILLION) not I won! So ... "sadness" and "life in the USSR" have nothing to do with it! No.

          Quote: Serg65
          Where did I write what was bad ???

          that's where negative
          Quote: Serg65
          The 1961 year (before the birth of D, A, Medvedev was still the whole 4 of the year) accident on the K-19 nuclear submarine, due to the slovenliness of the 6 WELDER RECEIVING A PAYABLE SALARY BY THESE MEASURES, a nuclear explosion almost expired in the vast Barents!
          The same 1961 year - the Kurchenev tragedy that claimed 1500 lives of Soviet people
          1978 year (Medvedev is studying in the 7 class) the Soviet satellite US-A of the Lgenda ICRC with a nuclear reactor on board fell into Canada.
          1980 year (Medvedev was given a USSR passport) accident at the Plesetsk cosmodrome, 48 people died.
          1983-th year (Medvedev student of Leningrad State University) another US-A fell into the Indian Ocean.
          1988 year (Medvedev serves in the SA), another US-A satellite was out of order, but it was destroyed in space.
          wink
          Well, good, good! They didn’t write, they didn’t condemn ... (directly ...)! My conclusions are the "sublimation" of previous comments (including yours) ... And what is now "worse" -fire me (!); I won’t argue- "suffered"!

          Quote: Serg65
          What is the difference between party apparatchiks and current officials?

          Yes, you comedian! lol After all, "current officials" are "former part.apparatchiki" bully (at least in a significant "percentage" ...) But still ... there are some differences: in the legislation, which they push over with assaults ... earlier it was "Soviet-socialist" soldier , and now ........ recourse request what
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 29 November 2017 12: 31
            +4
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            that's where

            Hmm, i.e. Is this all a lie?
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            And now that it’s “worse” —fire (!); I won’t argue

            Well, maybe you're right ... gentlemen Gorbachev, Kryuchkov, Yeltsin and his comrades stole my childhood dream and forced me to go through the Crimea and copper pipes, thanks to the Russian character and Asian sourdough - it didn’t die. survived and don't cry wink
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            After all, "current officials" are "former part.apparatchiki"

            good I completely agree, recently I was indulging in shish kebabs with one of the local oligarchs, and 37 years ago, being the 2nd secretary of the Komsomol, he accepted me laughing
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 29 November 2017 15: 01
              +2
              Quote: Serg65
              Hmm, i.e. Is this all a lie?

              Well, so right away, “lies”! request I would call it "interpretation" yes
    4. Banshee
      29 November 2017 10: 45
      +6
      Quote: Serg65
      Roman, I have never (at least in my memory) read your articles about the achievements of Russia!


      This is really your problem. It's so hard to find ... The question is probably that you are not particularly interested in such articles. But this does not mean that I do not write them.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 29 November 2017 11: 24
        +7
        Quote: Banshee
        The question, probably, is that you are not particularly interested in such articles.

        You are right, Roman, such articles are completely not interesting to me! In the late 80s, the entire Union sang "our hearts demand change"! Required, changes have occurred, but such that many or have drunk too much. or climbed into the loop, after 10 years, life began to improve, they lived until the 14th year, again from a well-fed life, they began to demand change ... GIVE REVOLUTION !!!!! And then what?
        1. turbris
          turbris 29 November 2017 22: 07
          +1
          Well, as you do not understand, then everything is according to plan. first rob the oligarchs, then destroy everything to the ground, then destroy everyone who supported this power. Then take warm places and take power into your own hands, then fight poverty and hunger, laying aside your life along the way, as soon as everything starts to improve - again a revolution and things out.
        2. E_V_N
          E_V_N 1 December 2017 09: 52
          +3
          Quote: Serg65
          In the late 80s, the entire Union sang "our hearts demand change"! Required, changes have occurred, but such that many or have drunk too much. or climbed into the loop, after 10 years, life began to improve, they lived until the 14th year, again from a well-fed life, they began to demand change ... GIVE REVOLUTION !!!!! And then what?

          That is, you think that in the USSR changes were not needed? But I think we need it, but not the ones that Gorbachev and Yeltsin did. Tell me, where were you that you were silent? Yes, they looked at what was happening with "open mouths." The majority could not even imagine what cynics and liars were in the USSR at the very top of Power. They could not even think that with high trestles one could so brazenly lie and not about crops and space acquisitions, but promise one thing, but do the exact opposite. Some Yeltsin’s “I give a hand,” “I’ll lie on the rails,” of which they stand.
      2. region58
        region58 29 November 2017 11: 54
        +4
        By the way, about the story of the storekeeper who went on sick leave, because of which the Proton collapsed ... It never occurred to anyone how the solder turned out to be, to put it mildly, completely wrong? Who ordered it, who paid, who delivered? Who gave the instruction "to solder than they gave"?

        I apologize for the tediousness, but you here probably a little inaccurately expressed your idea: the brands of solders in the warehouse are a cart and a small trolley (like any car service, there are transmission and motor oils, synthetics, mineral oils, etc.). The instruction "to solder than they gave" is yes, any installer will distinguish solder at a time (melting point, etc.). Well, this fact, as far as I remember, was revealed during the fire tests, that “Proton” crashed because of this “I don’t remember saying.
    5. al.schenaev
      al.schenaev 29 November 2017 16: 33
      +2
      you think badly about our party leadership, dear Mr. Comrade Barin! A ticket to sunny Magadan would have been written out before the publication of the article, about a day in advance.
    6. ppgt90
      ppgt90 29 November 2017 22: 56
      +8
      Well, first, start over. Thieves are written, not variety. So the whole song begins from a minor mistake. But the state of affairs in industry, and not only in space, is really awful. There are no masters, technologists, machine tools. There are no those who are the executor. Many enterprises of the military-industrial complex have carried out serious technical re-equipment, but there is little sense. There is no one to put on software controlled machines. Specialists with at least secondary specialized education will be able to work on these machines. That is, those who have to work as a foreman at a site. Prof. Tech. Education is simply defeated and there are not even weak attempts to restore it. Young people are tearing into "managers" and without a twinge of conscience calls themselves "office plankton." And with whom, please tell me to work? After all, in our army and to the factory “losers” are going, and “plankton” to “menagers” What division. I do not want to say that all youth are bad. No, this would be a clear and frank lie, but the issue of career guidance with young people is not solved at all, the workers' professions are lowered below the baseboard. On TV, we see the deeds of Mary Baghdasaryan, but there are no working guys, grown up specialists on the screens. The question is why some Baghdasaryan is being phoned, what is its exclusivity? Absolute dog. Why raise the prestige of the golden youth? Why is Nyurek Ivanov, a turner, a borer not worthy to be exceptional? If we want our planes to fly, rockets not to fall and our everyday goods to be in DEMAND, let's start from the beginning, as in the good old days, to glorify the people of work. Do not just scream "URA" before the stupor, but talk about their outstanding deeds. Payment should not be "decent", but "high." And respect is not ostentatious, but deserved. Remember in Soviet times there were unique locksmiths, turners, milling machines workers, and many other specialists who removed their hats as a sign of respect. These people would not agree to be plankton, food for everyone, for no reason. There is much more to say, but I think enough. The time required to comprehend must pass. It is very small and you need to think faster. Well, what is prime minister with Medvedev? And look at the ministers? There are two ministers in Russia: - these are Shoigu and Lavrov, with the rest of the problems. That's why we need talented, skillful, stubborn youth, because they have the future of the whole country. Behind them, not Mara Baghdasaryan.
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 30 November 2017 07: 35
        +3
        Quote: ppgt90
        Well, first, start over.

        laughing Well, secondly, we’ll finish here! Edison and Chekhov also never shone with spelling wink
        Quote: ppgt90
        There are no masters, technologists, machine tools

        what You are an interesting person, my friend! Ask yourself, when in modern Russia began to build, rebuild, modernize plants? In what year did the same military-industrial complex begin to receive a large state order? If you answered these questions, then automatically the brain will give you ... no demand, no offers, there is a demand, there will be offers! What kind of student will go to study in a technical specialty if at the end of her studies it is not possible to work in a specialty? What is happening now, demand creates supply, the competition for technical universities and technical schools has grown 3 times, and in some specialized universities 10 times! So, everything has its time.
        Quote: ppgt90
        Remember in Soviet times

        recourse What really remember it then? Soviet times killed a whole decade! Yes, by the way ... the Soviet era ..... in the 30s, at the beginning of industrialization, there was exactly the same picture.
        Quote: ppgt90
        That's why we need talented, skilled, persistent youth

        good Who would argue, my friend? It’s important, my friend, to give skillful, talented and stubborn “Green Street” !!!! hi
      2. Grigory_78
        Grigory_78 4 December 2017 21: 47
        0
        Communicated with various working people, specialists in their fields. They convinced me that the main reason for the current collapse is that any enterprises, educational institutions and so on are controlled not by specialists, but by economic monitors. To pay large pensions, to teach young people well, to upgrade staff qualifications is real, and not just on paper, to update the production base - from the point of view of the economy, it is impractical, extra costs.
    7. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 1 December 2017 13: 40
      0
      read it. I thought. has cooled down. I recommend listening to a smart person:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4SqTQvpWow
  16. 23rus
    23rus 29 November 2017 08: 26
    0
    Fine! Now you can pay for insurance with obligations of the US Central Bank. laughing
  17. cedar
    cedar 29 November 2017 08: 27
    +4
    Quote: omit
    Gentlemen, do not be fooled. In Russia, everything depends on President Putin. If he holds Medvedev, then he needs him. But for some reason, only Putin knows that.


    No need to deceive yourself and us. Political Zionism, with its idea of ​​fixing, seizing and putting planet Earth under its control, is little understood and unknown to the overwhelming number of earthlings and Russians. For some reason, Putin is well aware of the plans and actions of the Zionists in Russia and on the planet, and as much as possible counteracts this "Unipolar Zionist world." For which he was sentenced ...
    See at the root, dear. To the extent that it is unprofitable for Putin, the leader of the NOD, to lose his authority, especially before the elections, so his enemies will benefit from any provocations, sabotage and sabotage, including in such an important industry as the space industry, to inflict maximum damage on his reputation.
    The competitive war of nations is not a fairy tale, but a daily reality that has a thousand-year history of failure ...
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 29 November 2017 11: 35
      +2
      What year did you come from? what kind of political information about the machinations of enemies? I had a kid at the factory on a German machine tool three years ago, after 2 days of training (window production) I got more, what kind of hell are spies, update your program ,, demagogue + ,, Tired: good god, all evil is from Saton, no one is to blame, everything was done by evil Germans, we always go the right way, but evil Jews and Germans pour Saxons into our bearings, the commander-in-chief well done (I think so sincerely), but the bastards filled his circle with dacians. .. pah
    2. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 1 December 2017 13: 41
      0
      why are you soaring the wrong way .... hi
  18. Pacifist
    Pacifist 29 November 2017 08: 30
    15
    frames live out their lives. And they are replaced, alas, not by engineers, but by defective managers. Pretending high salaries, but nothing but noise, not producing.
    And this, I stress, the policy of the state.

    If only the states ... these, God forgive me, "effective" pi ... managers who do not understand the field they were assigned to deal with, but know a set of foreign terms that they themselves are not very versed in, but which give the impression of "very smart person, "now everywhere, and in business too. For 10 years I watched the change of 3 management teams, one dumber one another, but they flood like nightingales. And the same principle, the more you breach, the more you receive. Then they will ruin the work, they will be removed and the next ones put, the same mu .... In fact, they do not improve anything, but then they have straightforward novels in the resume with a sequel. The main thing is that when they are put into the position that it becomes clear to everyone that they are empty space, repressions immediately begin - to keep close the better than the obedient fools selected on the principle of "subordinate, in front of the bright eyes of the boss, he should have an outrageous and slightly silly look so that his embarrass high authorities. " Here on this principle they work. They do not care about goals like "to be the best in their field", they came to milk suckers and eat three snouts from the feeder. And it does not matter whose it is, public or private, they do not care. They found a way - a beautiful talk.
  19. Galan
    Galan 29 November 2017 08: 38
    +9
    "Do you want to live like a person, a car there, an apartment - go into business."
    But this applies to speculative "business". In the manufacturing business, you have to "plow" for ridiculous money.
    Officials only talk about the need to support production, but most of them get the main personal benefit from speculators. The situation in production, especially in mechanical engineering, is disgusting, a failure in personnel policy, Soviet specialists are retiring, and in the last 7-8 years no one has trained engineers and workers. To prepare such cool specialists, an appropriate contingent from the school is needed. But 10 years ago, the salaries of engineers and industrial workers didn’t attract young people. Today’s failure of the personnel policy will last 3-5 years and the Medvedev government has earned it.
  20. free
    free 29 November 2017 08: 40
    +4
    Well, what a surprise! The country should become a gas station for good and stay as long as possible a, and even better forever! A gas station doesn’t need engineers and creators, consumers are needed, or if slaves are really lucky. There’s only one way out, this government must leave!
    1. Seaflame
      Seaflame 29 November 2017 12: 20
      +5
      The main thing is peaceful and lawful. And a hundred years ago, they “left” one power, the country will not survive such a second time.
      1. free
        free 29 November 2017 15: 37
        +1
        Quote: Seaflame
        The main thing is peaceful and lawful. And a hundred years ago, they “left” one power, the country will not survive such a second time.

        It would be nice, but not for that they took it to give!
  21. d ^ Amir
    d ^ Amir 29 November 2017 08: 53
    0
    how did the solder turn out to be, to put it mildly, completely wrong?

    because of the purchase on the principle of "what will I leave to myself ????" .... the effective managment is not only famous there .... soon the oil industry will begin to breakdown at such rates as well ...
    1. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 4 December 2017 21: 52
      0
      Everything is simpler in the oil industry. There more often than accident breaks out, but just the stake gets up. And the costs soar, so there the reaction is much faster.
  22. Krasnyiy komissar
    Krasnyiy komissar 29 November 2017 08: 57
    20
    Yes, prayers do not help before launch. Hit the vault of heaven, probably ...
    1. ADmA_RUS
      ADmA_RUS 29 November 2017 09: 15
      0
      Be humble. No need to decide for me. Who's stopping you from working in space? Turner, engineer, designer, but at least a loader!
      Who?
      1. Seaflame
        Seaflame 29 November 2017 12: 22
        +6
        Money! We must take a mortgage, support a family, please a young wife. And if you go to a car dealership sales manager, you will earn one and a half times more than a mechanic in space. This is normal?
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 29 November 2017 09: 20
      +1
      [quote = Krasnyiy komissar] Yeah, prayers do not help before launch. I hit the vault of heaven, probably ... the vault is the only one to see, the Americans are not going smoothly either ...
      1. Krasnyiy komissar
        Krasnyiy komissar 29 November 2017 09: 52
        +6
        Only now we are launching a long-developed missile, and the Americans are new. In the 60s, accidents at launch were not uncommon, but at that time rockets were a new word in technology.
  23. Altona
    Altona 29 November 2017 09: 20
    +8
    Quote: Serg65
    And how many similar accidents were during our beautiful Soviet youth? And if you, Roman, on the pages of Komsomolskaya Pravda decided to write about Soviet disorder and the incomes of Politburo members and ministers of the USSR

    ---------------------------------
    Dear, why incorrectly juggle? In those years, these missiles were just starting to be exploited, now these missiles should be manufactured using well-established technology. As for the "carelessness," I would also debate, because the difference in the quality of the rocket and the combine is obvious. The military takes the missile carefully, and you know the loss of "stars" on shoulder straps is fraught. As for the income of the ministers, they are also known - it’s 800 rubles, a car with a driver and a cottage 20 km from Moscow. This is compared with the current riches of the current ministers - monastic poverty or miserable benefits.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 29 November 2017 12: 06
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      Dear, why incorrectly juggle?

      laughing Where did I distort, dear?
      In 1980 and 83, the history of the construction and launch of rockets totaled 23 and 26 years, what start of operation are you talking about?
      Quote: Altona
      About "carelessness" I would also debate

      what And let's debate! Let's take the average between missiles and the combine, well, for example, shipbuilding (it is also technologically capacious!)?
      Under the Union, so that the GCC workers would receive the 13th and the prize for the observer from the Navy (so to speak, the military representative), they would put pressure on the ship from the director of the plant (it promised all good, but essentially a bribe) to a member of the Central Committee supervising the defense industry! And nobody cared that the ship was not ready! By December 31, the ship was pushed out of the plant, the military flag was hoisted, and ...... For 1,5-2 years, brigades and science were sitting on it, trying to give life to the navy's combat unit!
      Refute .....
      Quote: Altona
      As for the income of the ministers, they are also known - it’s 800 rubles, a car with a driver and a cottage 20 km from Moscow

      laughing This is the current "income declaration", and now about the concealment of income:
      USSR Minister of Internal Affairs Shchelokov ..... let’s skip the list of Mercedes, paintings and a gold coin ..... at the Shchelokov’s dacha, a stove-maker worked in the rank of major of the Ministry of Internal Affairs !!!
      First Secretary of the Krasnodar Regional Committee Medunov - curator of the caviar mafia
      Mosprodtorg, Eleseyevsky shop, Uzbek business and this is only part of the Soviet corruption .....
      Yes, I almost forgot, in those days a nurse with 20 years of experience received 80 rubles. for the bid, and the ship's electrician of the 1st class is 110 rubles, that is, the difference between the minister is 10 times at Soviet prices!
  24. Altona
    Altona 29 November 2017 09: 25
    +5
    Quote: galan
    To prepare such cool specialists, an appropriate contingent from the school is needed.

    ---------------------------------
    We have a mortar-concrete unit at work. A manager with higher education runs to me to solve the problem of class 7 "How much mortar is needed on the foundation?". That is, calculate the volume of the foundation and add 5% to the shrinkage. The foundation volume is the length of the trench * the width of the trench * the depth of the trench.
    1. Bosch
      Bosch 29 November 2017 11: 58
      +4
      This manager probably cannot read and write. Most of them are now.
  25. untouchable6891
    untouchable6891 29 November 2017 09: 41
    0
    Explain what it means:
    They say there is no money to increase. A crisis ..
    ?
    mentioned 6th grade slashing is then what? and generally speaking..
  26. Neputin
    Neputin 29 November 2017 09: 44
    18
    So our favorite trolls crawled out with a standard set of arguments 1. You are lying, everything is fine with us. 2. Go and work yourself in the space industry. 3. Under the Communists, it was even worse. 4. It is the enemies who crap before the election of Putin. 5. Do not worry, these are not your personal companions drowned. Didn’t forget anything? Change manuals, otherwise it makes you sick.
    1. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 22: 16
      0
      And you don’t bother and read your comments on various topics - that’s who the troll by training manuals, you even have the same phrases, only your training manual is kind of scanty, because you can’t come up with anything new, you repeat the cutest.
      1. Neputin
        Neputin 30 November 2017 21: 57
        0
        Maybe I repeat somewhere, but only because. I have a clear and clear position on fundamental issues. And this position remains unchanged. Unlike some characters. who are ready to "change shoes in a jump" just to match the "general line". And once again I repeat - on the topic there is something to say, dear, or will we still troll by personalities?
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  28. Strashila
    Strashila 29 November 2017 09: 49
    +4
    Yes ... even though we scold Khrushchev, he could go to the UN rostrum, hit the chair with a shoe and send everyone to Kuzkin’s mother, for the simple reason that he talked about ... We produce rockets like sausages ... same volumes. Any production is formed for a certain number of products ... a quality management system is formed for it ... a very expensive pleasure, but so necessary for the reliability of products. The quantity of production decreases and its cost rises to unprecedented heights per final unit, subject to quality control requirements ... and they begin to save ... the result of work ... everything is at the bottom of the ocean.
  29. BAI
    BAI 29 November 2017 09: 50
    12
    “The drawback of the Soviet educational system was the attempt to form a person-creator, and now the task is to nurture a qualified consumer who is able to skillfully use the results of the creativity of others.”

    What kind of moral freak do you have to be, so to speak? As I hear this phrase, so immediately no words are left except for the mat.
  30. rudolff
    rudolff 29 November 2017 10: 43
    15
    A couple of three years ago, Igor Komarov was appointed head of the rocket and space industry, who had previously driven AvtoVAZ, an economist by training. Just Medvedev then what? If I take over the PFS, I will appoint the midshipman as the submarine commander and the ship does not return from the campaign, who will be to blame? Midshipman? No, I will be to blame. The one who appointed him there. This is the president’s personnel policy and his management style. If a person who has gone through all the steps of growth in an industry is appointed to lead this industry, then he will have a certain strength, support and his own point of view. And if from the side? And if not a specialist? He will look in one place only to the person who appointed him there. Full addiction.
    It’s very convenient for the president. For Russia, disastrous. All sectors of the economy are being killed, and even oil and gas production are inefficient.
    What is happening in Roscosmos is natural.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 29 November 2017 12: 13
      +4
      laughing Hello subfloor! hi
      Quote: rudolff
      If I am the head of the SFC, I will appoint the midshipman as submarine commander

      what I don’t know about the midshipman, but I remember the commander of the minesweeper for combat was commanded by the TFR laughing , while the start-up did not go a step from the attributed cap wassat
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 29 November 2017 13: 02
        +3
        Hello Serge! So maybe he passed on admission to independent management? Or was he already a senior visitor to the TFR, had access and was “demoted” to a minesweeper? Otherwise, I don’t know how to explain ... This is not even a different type, it is a different class, the rank of ships.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 29 November 2017 13: 26
          +4
          Quote: rudolff
          This is not even a different type, it is a different class, the rank of ships.

          It was the 92nd year, the last fighting of the now defunct Navy of the USSR, the TFR commander hung a trident on his shoulders, sought a replacement but in vain (the mess was incredible, someone quit, someone transferred to the north, someone ran under the yellow-blakid flag )!
          1. rudolff
            rudolff 29 November 2017 14: 23
            +4
            Then it is clear. Although, logically, it was necessary to raise the start-up officer to the commander, ascribe the “minesweeper” to the old-timer. If the starpom had permission, of course. In the 90s, I saw old-school committees without access to independent management, and even acting commanders "at the wall", which did not exist at all. On the way out commanders attributed staff. Nah, there was a time ...
  31. Greyjojo
    Greyjojo 29 November 2017 10: 43
    10
    Well, what do you want? The country is confidently moving along the capitalist rails to the place that is assigned to it.
    And all these tricks in the confrontation with the United States are empty talk. Russia will take the place of a raw materials appendage and nothing more. Forget about the great future. The gas station operators are all that we have in store.

    By .... whether your way to 91 - now eat what you wanted: McDonald's, tights, jeans and stupid TV shows.
    And space is the lot of others.

    Medvedev only voices this honestly and bluntly. But the truth, as you know, pierces the eyes.
  32. vvp2412
    vvp2412 29 November 2017 10: 50
    +4
    Mr. Medvedev, do you really care so much about what is going on at Roscosmos?

    He doesn’t care about anything except new iPhones ...
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    1. Greyjojo
      Greyjojo 29 November 2017 11: 10
      +4
      Do not confuse warm with soft. We remove Putin, put in his place an aunt horse or Lech cubic meters. Will something change?
      No, it will only accelerate. The problem is not personalities and the management system, but the value system and the direction of development / regression, the availability of Ideas.
      And now he has the only one in the whole World - turning into eating / shaving biomass under the feet of superhumans.
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        1. Greyjojo
          Greyjojo 29 November 2017 11: 31
          +3
          You are right. The current system is a conservation system. The system is trying to preserve the remnants of the Soviet past. Only it spoils and rotten.
          Yes, you can’t live forever in canned food. Only now I see only alternative suggestions to make things worse:
          1) resume collaboration with the whole world;
          2) Accept "global" values.
          however, this can only be done on their terms. As I said, to become another world gas station.
          The current global trend is regression.
          First of all, not technological, but moral and ideological.
          Technically, you can fly to the moon and Mars and colonize them.
          Only "but what for". It will not bring dividends to big business. From this the population is neither cold nor hot.
          The goal of existence is being crushed - satisfying one's own needs. And not the transfer of needs to new quality levels.
          The reason is simple - you can earn money by artificial dispersal of material needs. But on the development of spiritual needs - no.
      2. untouchable6891
        untouchable6891 29 November 2017 16: 41
        0
        Cyberpunk is just around the corner ..
  34. BLADFROST
    BLADFROST 29 November 2017 11: 09
    +8
    At the Kalinin plant, blocks and harnesses are made in bestial conditions! After all, we will invest large hundreds of millions in the facades of the plant, in car parks, and people - so consumables, can also absorb dust. Cronyism - the terry norm! The heads of the workshops put yesterday's student-three-year-old! And what do you want if the plant only holds on thanks to the developments of the 80s !?
  35. vanavatny
    vanavatny 29 November 2017 11: 20
    0
    how good it is that we live in a state of law and I do not have the right to urge to hang on birches, and, for now, I still want to make this request to the guarantor ...
  36. sergol
    sergol 29 November 2017 11: 27
    0
    I suggest searching in these pockets
    http://declarator.org/office/517?active-tab=docum
    ent-40104
  37. PValery53
    PValery53 29 November 2017 11: 28
    +3
    Financial pyramids are everywhere you look. And now in the space industry. The bureaucratic “tribe” was fenced off from the “servants” by inflated and unreasonable incomes, and for the rest it doesn’t grow grass.
  38. Rumata-estorskii
    Rumata-estorskii 29 November 2017 11: 32
    0
    The people, but maybe you shouldn’t be so. Or maybe our satellite still flew where it should and hangs somewhere in a secret orbit, collected some stray from its Yusovskiy microsatellites with its manipulators, and threw the rest of the Gayoropean into the Antarctic ocean or the Arctic there. And when day X comes and hour H comes full F, he ka-a-a-k smells of ruthenium or polonium. :). No, but why?
    1. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 1 December 2017 13: 51
      0
      are you kidding? or seriously? something is doubtful
      Or maybe our satellite still flew where it should and hangs somewhere in a secret orbit, collected some stray from its Yusovskiy microsatellites with its manipulators, and threw the rest of the Gayoropean into the Antarctic ocean or the Arctic there. And when day X comes and hour H comes full F, he ka-a-a-k smells of ruthenium or polonium. :). No, but why? wink bully
  39. True
    True 29 November 2017 11: 32
    +3
    Putin, be a man, go .... to the Hague. Do not pull the whole camp behind you. Be calm, this can not be restored. Russia is already a sufficiently backward country so as not to threaten anyone. Mission complete.
  40. Stealight
    Stealight 29 November 2017 11: 37
    +2
    I agree completely. And this is just the beginning.
  41. midshipman
    midshipman 29 November 2017 11: 38
    12
    Thank you Roman, how did you try to put everything in its place.
    An article was published in the journal Vestnik MGTU GA. The number of airports in the Russian Federation from 1992 to 2016 decreased from 1302 to 254. The air traffic controller in the North receives a salary of about 40 thousand rubles. I was subordinate from 1978 to 1988 (6 GU MCI of the USSR), there were 45 enterprises where about 250 thousand specialists worked. They had more salaries than bank employees. He worked a lot with the USSR Ministry of General (this is our Roskosmos now). There was order. I'm sorry what happened yesterday. But I think they will not make conclusions. There is no one to do them. I have the honor.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 November 2017 19: 40
      +1
      In general, there are about 2500 airports with airports in Russia.
  42. cedar
    cedar 29 November 2017 11: 42
    +6
    Quote: True
    Putin, be a man, go .... to the Hague. Do not pull the whole camp behind you. Be calm, this can not be restored. Russia is already a sufficiently backward country so as not to threaten anyone. Mission complete.


    "Do not wait."
    V.V. Putin
  43. Twodi
    Twodi 29 November 2017 11: 45
    +4
    Mr. Medvedev generally does not care. If only denyuzhka dripped to his account. Clown, he is in prison.
  44. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 29 November 2017 11: 45
    +5
    Any work in Russia is a vocation, and life is a feat. laughing
  45. Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 29 November 2017 11: 45
    +3
    Medvedev and for a long time do not give a damn about the country, the new iPhone is the main thing
  46. Bosch
    Bosch 29 November 2017 11: 53
    +3
    It’s very convenient to steal budget money through a space theme.
    1. Serg65
      Serg65 29 November 2017 12: 56
      +2
      Quote: Bosch
      It’s very convenient to steal budget money through a space theme.

      laughing Do you as a "specialist" claim this?
  47. Radikal
    Radikal 29 November 2017 11: 57
    +2
    Quote: Chertt
    Maybe it’s time to introduce articles of the Criminal Code for sabotage in strategically important areas of science and industry, As well as equate stupidity and incompetence to wrecking

    And you guess who in this case will need to be brought to justice ?! And who will approve such articles against themselves ?! wassat
  48. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 29 November 2017 12: 09
    +6
    The fact that the salaries of the ministers are astronomical of course is a question for Medvedev. And the rest is the system: the grimaces of a consumer society. A person in society is valued not for being an expert in something, but for how much money he has and no matter where he got it. By the way, the DPRK’s missiles fly probably they don’t have effective managers.
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  50. vel1163
    vel1163 29 November 2017 12: 15
    +4
    Therefore, Americans do not need to twitch ourselves until we reach the handle