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Vladimir Bortko: There is no difference between Russian and Ukrainian

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Vladimir Bortko: There is no difference between Russian and Ukrainian



Today, our government is looking for a national idea, trying to find clamps that can rally the people of Russia, wants to work out even a law on a single Russian nation. However, on this, without any irony, difficult and thorny path of special success has not yet been observed. Maybe not looking there? Or do not want the law to develop?

Exactly one year ago, at a plenary meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, an MP from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, film director Vladimir Bortko made an emotional speech on the topical issue of the formation of the state nation in Russia and the place of the Russians in it.

A parliamentary correspondent for the SZK Agency talked with Vladimir Bortko about the problem he raised a year ago.

- When you spoke about the Russian nation in your speech, did you mean a political nation?

- No, it was about, I would say, about the genetic nation. About the nation, which is Russian. A political nation can be made up of representatives of all nations and peoples that exist in our country. There is nothing bad in it - on the contrary, it is wonderful. But I am interested in the nation that created this country - namely the Russians. Are they different from the French? Yes of course. That's exactly what interests me and worries. Where are the Russians? They do not have their own state, which, in my opinion, is simply a tool of the nation, which it protects itself and thus controls itself. For example, we have Tatars in our country, which have their own state. It has other nations. And the Russians, no. It seemed to me strange and unfair. That's why I spoke at a meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.

- What is “Russian”? How do you define this concept?

- The concept of "Russian" is very simple. There is a genetic code - the so-called haplogroup R1a1. Here the carriers of this code are Russians.

“But this code is also present in many Slavs, who nevertheless do not consider themselves Russians ...”

- Where this code is present, there are Russians. The Russians have it, the Ukrainians, the Eastern Belarusians, and, oddly enough, even the Poles. The latter has less of it, but it is nonetheless present. This is the Slavs, this is, in fact, that Russia, which was from the very beginning. This is not exactly a Marxist point of view, but I share it.

I'm not talking about the fact that others were bad - God forbid! I am totally for the good of everyone, for everything to be wonderful and beautiful. And if we are talking about a political nation, then this is also the place to be. But I am interested primarily in the nation that made our state. Those who have R1a1 - in the blood. And they disappear. And why is it necessary to preserve, say, the Ussuri tiger (this is a good and good thing), but not to preserve the Russian nation that exists? And this nation disappears, disappears on 700 thousand people a year.

- How do you evaluate the idea of ​​panslavism in the current environment?

- I fully welcome the idea of ​​the Slavic brotherhood, which has developed once in our storiesand made it Georgian. It was located on the territory of the Adriatic Sea, from the former great Yugoslavia, to the Pacific Ocean, to the shores of Japan.

- Is it possible to revive what was done then?

- It depends on the identity of these Slavs. If they understand their purpose, realize the danger of their extinction, this, of course, will be. And if everything continues, as it is now: “Yes, God knows who I am. Well, okay "- then nothing will happen. Although it hurts me to look at it.

- Now in Ukraine, first of all, and in Belarus, however, to a much lesser extent, there is self-identification of the population. And it occurs, first of all, as a denial of its Russianness ...

“If they go and donate blood for analysis, they will see that there is no difference between a Russian and a Ukrainian.” And call yourself what you want, even so, though this. Dance gopak, lavonihu or Polish folk dance, the essence will be the same - the blood that they all have is the same. This view is not very popular. But why should she be denied her right to exist? Let them tell me what and where I am wrong. I will immediately give up my ideas.

- In the film "28 Panfilov" there is such an episode. In the trenches - Russian and Kazakh. The Russian says that now we will show the fascists what the Russian soldiers are. His partner answers that he is not Russian, but Kazakh. In response, the Russian concludes that you are fighting for Russia, which means that you are Russian ...

- I have not watched this movie. But I understand this remark and welcome it in every way. For one simple reason. When I talked about the R1a1 code, I meant a very narrow side of this problem - namely, the national one. And there are things more ambitious - state. For example, the Tatars live with us for very, very many years. And their history is no less ancient and rich than ours, Russian. But this does not mean that we therefore should not live in the composition of the society of the state. We must be together! But I just hurt that the Tatars have their own state, we do not. That's the whole point. I want to be with them as equals - not above them, but as equals.

- The West today is faced with the problem of mass migration. But Russia did not avoid the same problem. Do you think there are similarities in this issue with us and with them?

- Of course, we are very similar in this regard. But in our country, migrants, in contrast to Western countries, are still more invited. It is cheaper, easier. And besides, they perform a substitute function - their workers seem to be lacking, which means we will draw from our neighbors.

The same process takes place in the West. Of course, he, this process, is burdened with problems. Still, the culture is very different. And convergence, the penetration of one into the other, frankly, does not proceed very well.

And we have a big problem with migration. Suffice it to say that in Russia, with approximately 140 million of population 10 million - migrants. This is already serious, and something needs to be done about it. Otherwise, it can end just as in ancient Rome - that is, Rome is gone. The same can happen with us and with our European neighbors.

- Now in the year of the centenary anniversary of October, quite a lot of historical films devoted to those events have appeared on the country's screens. And almost all of them are ambiguously perceived by society. How, from your point of view, can historical events and personalities be displayed in art? Are there any rules or restrictions? How to treat such films?

- I think that I shouldn’t relate in any way: you want to look, you want to - no. I have a very broad view of such things.

- So you are for the complete freedom of the artist? For lack of censorship?

- The artist always has self-censorship, but there should be no censorship. We have two documents. One of them is called the Constitution of the Russian Federation. It says what you can do. The other is the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, where it is indicated what cannot be done. And if these documents are not violated, then everything is in order, everything is fine. And everything else: like, dislike, look, not look - this is a personal matter.

There was at one time an artist with whom the Pope maintained relations. And dad suggested that the artist paint one church. The artist completed the order. And when dad came and saw the painting, he almost fainted, there were only naked people. They even wanted to paint everything. And it was the Sistine Chapel, and the artist's name was Michelangelo.
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  1. prior
    prior 1 December 2017 15: 16 New
    +5
    "There is no difference between Russian and Ukrainian"
    Of course not, if both live in Russia and are citizens of Russia.
    But if any of them are in Ukraine ...?! The devil himself will not understand who is who ...
    1. Vend
      Vend 1 December 2017 15: 22 New
      +4
      Only Ukrainians do not talk about it, otherwise they will go to excrement laughing
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 1 December 2017 18: 17 New
      +3
      He does not see the Russian state, he does not see the difference: what to talk about with the blind?
      Russia, the one that is, was created by the Russians, for MYSELF and others, the difference from which lies in the fact that they did not build this state.
  2. Nonna
    Nonna 1 December 2017 15: 23 New
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    The fact that Bortko the Ministry of Culture did not give state funding for a film about the Donbass according to the book of A. Prokhanov speaks about the non-Russianness of the offshore government of the Russian Federation. The fact that Russia is occupied by traitors at the very top of state power. At the same time, there are billions of rubles spent on pederastically-pedophile productions of the silver and raikins, to finance the people’s hated enemy viper ebn-center. Bortko is a thousand times right, but in this anti-Duma he is the voice of one crying in the wilderness
    1. turbris
      turbris 1 December 2017 16: 22 New
      +6
      Here I agree with you, in the Ministry of Culture there are very big problems not only with financing, but also with moral principles, given what appears after their financing. And most importantly, there is no responsibility for decisions made.
  3. Nemesis
    Nemesis 1 December 2017 16: 15 New
    +9
    The difference is fundamental. Russians are a nation-forming nation, and Ukraine, still a Polish province with Russophobia, is crouching in the west ... From the time of Khmelnitsky, Ukraine darted from Poland to Russia and back, like a woman with low social responsibility ...
  4. Slon_on
    Slon_on 1 December 2017 16: 27 New
    +9
    Bortko is a courageous man. THANKS him very much THANKS.
  5. Deck
    Deck 1 December 2017 17: 52 New
    +4
    But I’m just offended that the Tatars have their own state, but we don’t.


    What Tatar state is he talking about? Where is it?
  6. evsyukov_a
    evsyukov_a 1 December 2017 18: 34 New
    +5
    [/ quote] And, in addition, they perform a replacement function - they don’t seem to have enough hands, so we’ll draw from our neighbors. [quote]
    but I’m ready to argue with this: let’s leave megacities where, nevertheless, they occupy far from the most unclaimed places. Take the Orenburg region. in which there are no vacancies from the word "in general". Last year, 52 thousand migrants arrived there. We left further - 38 thousand. As a result - 14 thousand settled there where the locals could not find work. So maybe they’re not going to work - they are already populating?
  7. Varyag77
    Varyag77 1 December 2017 18: 42 New
    +2
    Now in Ukraine, first of all, and in Belarus, however, to a much lesser extent, there is a self-identification of the population. And it happens, first of all, as a denial of her Russianness ...

    Because neither Belarusians nor Ukrainians are Russian. We don’t groan why these Poles are so bad. And even more so, we do not call them brothers. Here it is not necessary to consider both Belarusians and Ukrainians Russian. This is historically the case. And apart we lived much longer than together. And the most obvious, that these two will be called their nationalities, became a shield and a screen between the West and Russia. with all the consequences. As a result, they are even closer to the west than to us. And if we also throw aside ideology, then we will see that for several hundred years we were not just not together, but enemies, again with all the consequences. So why all of a sudden? with what fright are we brothers?
    Yes, we all enter the Slavic superethnos. Not Russian, but Slavic. But Poles and Czechs also enter there, and many others. This does not mean anything. It is enough for the same Belarusians to start “correctly” teaching history and changing the state ideology and that’s all. A bunch of conflicts with Russia will immediately surface, starting from the capture of Polotsk and the murder of their national hero (now) Rogvold Vladimir and ending with the sections of the Commonwealth and Poland. and that’s it. You don’t have to invent anything either. This is all true. And we get another analogue of Ukraine. Not just everything in our relationship was. So why should the Russians impose this incomprehensible fraternity then? And also talk about one people. Yes, not one at all. Read Olesya Buzin (blessed memory of him), referring to sources, he wrote that Ukrainians are no longer Slavs at all. The entire steppe, starting with the Khazars and the black hoods, has spoiled them. Why are they so screaming about us Russians that we are Mongols and Finno-Ugric? This is called a thief hat is lit. What about Belarus? Yes, they are so mixed with the Baltic and Poles that where are they one people then? Yes, plus that in a few hundred years of separation from Russia they specifically "fell into a rage" Well, how long will these mantras last then? Well objectivity will be or not? Russian only gets worse from the betrayal of "bros" Can you feel sorry for yourself?
    1. Pancho
      Pancho 1 December 2017 19: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Varyag77
      Read Olesya Buzin (blessed memory of him), referring to sources, he wrote that Ukrainians are no longer Slavs at all. The entire steppe, starting with the Khazars and black hoods, has overtaken them

      Following your comment: Some historians believe that from the Batyev invasion, the Russian lands located on the territory of present-day Ukraine suffered such damage that the peoples were emptied and came to these lands from somewhere from the Carpathians, not the Slavs at all. Marco Polo passed the Kiev lands through 6 years after Batu, he found a lot of unburied bodies, that is, there was no one to bury. Well, to confirm the name of the Svidomo “Slavs” they are also the same: Tryukhan Parasyuk, Farion, etc.
      1. Antares
        Antares 1 December 2017 22: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Pancho
        .Marko Polo passed Kiev lands 6 years after Batu and found a lot of unburied bodies, that is, there was no one to bury


        The question is just how? He did not visit Kiev lands. About Mongolian — he described
        We meet with Marco Polo in his “Book on the Diversity of the World” about Russia, and the appearance of our Christian Ancestors, men and women are white and blond.
        It is also interesting that Marco Polo, telling in detail about the Mongol conquerors, calling them by their names, hardly mentions their conquest of such a huge land as Russia. It is reported only in passing about the tribute that the Russians pay to Khan Tokhta ("Taktakay")
        Rossia ee una grandissima provincia verso tramontana e sono Cristiani, e tengono maniera di Greci, ed havi molti Re, e hanno loro linguaggio, e non rendono trebuto se non ad uno re di Tartari, e quella e poco. La contrada si ha fortissimi passi ad entrarvi. Costoro non sono mercantanti, ma si hanno assai delle pelle, che abiamo detto di sopra. La gente e molto bella, maschi, e femmine, e sono bianchi e biondi, e sono semprici genti. In questa contrada si ha molte argentiere, e cavane molto argento.

        silver is interesting.
        But in the Carpathians, too, the Slavs.
    2. Victor N
      Victor N 2 December 2017 10: 44 New
      0
      You didn’t seem to hear about DNA comparisons, and you didn’t pay attention to it in the article. And I, like some others, had relatives who knew very well that before the revolution, those who lived in what is now Ukraine considered and called themselves Russian. The concept of "Ukrainian" in everyday life was not. In the Kuban, where they speak the Ukrainian dialect and the names of the villages are appropriate, everyone calls themselves Russian, and you can get a lot of money for "Khokhl" - you checked it yourself.
      The division into Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians was artificially cultivated by the authorities.
      The people are one - the states are different. Ethnography is a "science" very muddy.
      1. Antares
        Antares 2 December 2017 22: 23 New
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        Quote: Victor N
        And I, like some others, had relatives who knew very well that before the revolution, those who lived in what is now Ukraine considered and called themselves Russian. The concept of "Ukrainian" in everyday life was not

        Before the revolution, it doesn’t matter who you could consider yourself there (if you hypothetically call yourself Russian or Ukrainian) -the main Orthodox, not a busurman.
        Quote: Victor N
        In the Kuban, where they speak the Ukrainian dialect and the names of the villages are appropriate, everyone calls themselves Russian, and you can get a lot of money for "Khokhl" - you checked it yourself.

        in the Kuban before the revolution and the merchants, in Ukrainian, “kramaras”, the Cossacks didn’t really like them. They even had a chanting: “If you want to call me less, you don’t talk only as kramar: I’m more for te! laughing
        Census of Little Peasants 1763-1764
        During its course in the Don, 20422 Little Russians were identified, of whom 8626 were assigned to the stanitsas, and 10250 to the elders, and they all levied a seven-sided tax in favor of the state. And the influx of Ukrainian (I call it in modern times) has spoiled the attitude towards him local. Local especially never like newcomers.
    3. sura.barkas
      sura.barkas 5 December 2017 09: 14 New
      0
      Why is the issue of coexistence with Bandera-Shukhevych with Ukraine imposed on the peoples of the Russian Federation and who is imposing it? Ukraine to them, Bandera-Shukhevych, is the product of the EU and the USA, the content (co-financing) of which the West is trying to shift to the shoulders of the Russian Federation. The task is to weaken the Russian Federation.
  8. g1v2
    g1v2 1 December 2017 19: 24 New
    +5
    Haplogroup R1A is found in only half of Russians. And he does not consider the rest Russian? If we recall the annals, then the Russians arose as an alliance of two Slavic tribes (Krivichi and Ilmen Slovenes) with the haplogroup R1A and three Finno-Ugric (chud, Meria and all) with the haplogroup n1c1. People with this haplogroup are about 20 percent overall. and the north - the more it reaches 40 percent. And why doesn’t he consider Russian Arkhangelsk or Vologda with the Leningrad Region? And in Kyrgyzstan, the haplogroup r1a is more common than in the Russian Federation. THAT IS MORE RUSSIANS LIVING IN KYRGYZSTAN THAN IN THE LENINGRAD REGION OR ARKHANGELSK? belay
    In general, porridge in a person’s head. And to hear from a member of the Communist Party about nationalism is generally strange. How not to treat them, but they have always been anti-nationalists. This only proves that the Communist Party has not belonged to the Communists for a long time. At best, these are the new Mensheviks. request
    1. Troll
      Troll 2 December 2017 02: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: g1v2
      And to hear from a member of the Communist Party about nationalism is generally strange. How not to treat them, but they have always been anti-nationalists. This only proves that the Communist Party has not belonged to the Communists for a long time. At best, these are the new Mensheviks. request

      Well, why? Is the communists forbidden to discuss this topic?

      I recall that at our university, at seminars on Marxism-Leninism, we reasoned on the topic of nationalism. And the assistant professor, naturally, a member of the CPSU, hammered us that nationalism is defeated completely and irrevocably.
      I personally wish he was wrong
  9. midshipman
    midshipman 1 December 2017 19: 47 New
    +2
    How is that no difference ?.
    I had to manage enterprises in Ukraine and create them from 1978 to 1988. It was disgusting to work in the Western regions of Ukraine and it was pleasant in the Nikolaev, Kherson, Kharkov, Odessa regions, i.e. where most of the Russians were. Would it not hurt Bartko to remember where the Nazi troops met with the icons? Only in Ukraine. Where were the fascist detachments from the locals? Again there. Kuchma (I still knew him as the secretary of the party committee of one major association of the USSR Ministry of General) wrote his libel "Ukraine is not Russia." Has anyone else done this?
    Therefore, engage in culture and try to make it patriotic for Russia. Remember the proverb "Where a crest passed, there is nothing for a Jew to do." I have the honor.
    1. Curious
      Curious 1 December 2017 21: 16 New
      +3
      Sorry, Michman, you know how I respect you, but in this matter you have the same mess as Bortko’s, only a different sign. To get started, read something serious about collaborationism in World War II. And then it’s inconvenient for you.
    2. Antares
      Antares 1 December 2017 23: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: midshipman
      where did the fascist troops meet with icons? Only in Ukraine. Where were the fascist detachments from the locals?

      for the sake of emotions it is impossible to refute collaborationism on the territory of the RSFSR during the years of the Second World War.
  10. Varyag77
    Varyag77 1 December 2017 21: 44 New
    +2
    Quote: g1v2
    Haplogroup R1A is found in only half of Russians. And he does not consider the rest Russian? If we recall the annals, then the Russians arose as an alliance of two Slavic tribes (Krivichi and Ilmen Slovenes) with the haplogroup R1A and three Finno-Ugric (chud, Meria and all) with the haplogroup n1c1. People with this haplogroup are about 20 percent overall. and the north - the more it reaches 40 percent. And why doesn’t he consider Russian Arkhangelsk or Vologda with the Leningrad Region? And in Kyrgyzstan, the haplogroup r1a is more common than in the Russian Federation. THAT IS MORE RUSSIANS LIVING IN KYRGYZSTAN THAN IN THE LENINGRAD REGION OR ARKHANGELSK? belay
    In general, porridge in a person’s head. And to hear from a member of the Communist Party about nationalism is generally strange. How not to treat them, but they have always been anti-nationalists. This only proves that the Communist Party has not belonged to the Communists for a long time. At best, these are the new Mensheviks. request

    As for the Finno-Ugric, not everything is so simple. Firstly, the Meria tribe is not uniquely identified with the Finno-Ugric peoples. There is nothing left. no monuments. therefore, the measure is. The toponymy of the Meryan land Rostov (Great) also does not give an answer, there are also full of names of Slavic origin. As for the Finno-Ugric tribes as a whole, it is accepted, if not for an axiom, then with a high degree of probability that the Slavs most likely did not mix with them, but were gradually pushed to the north. as for Arkhangelsk and the Vologda lands, there we are generally talking about much later times. Namely, when the Novgorodians began to penetrate into these lands and, accordingly, there began interaction, so to speak, with the local tribes, which gave rise to a gene pool slightly different from the bulk of the Russians. This is rather an exception to the rule, and not some kind of pattern. And this concerns only and exclusively Pomors and the northeastern territories of the Vologda region.
  11. Varyag77
    Varyag77 1 December 2017 21: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Curious
    Sorry, Michman, you know how I respect you, but in this matter you have the same mess as Bortko’s, only a different sign. To get started, read something serious about collaborationism in World War II. And then it’s inconvenient for you.

    Colleague, what really surprises you so much? again, from the history of the “Ukrainian lands” we are well aware of who and how populated was Ukraine and how it all happened. The fact that now part of the inhabitants of eastern Ukraine calls themselves Ukrainians is fundamentally wrong. Here they are genetically more Russian. Because this is what was previously called Slobozhanshchina, which was settled from Russia, well, plus Cherkasy (Cossacks) were called there from the central regions of Ukraine. But those who considered themselves Russian. And this is just Kharkov, Sumy, Akhtyrka, Cherkasy, etc. And the whole future fate of these lands was decided by the Russian people. That's when many of them say that they are Russian — I believe them. And if Bortko talks about them, I will believe too. Well, plus the Black Sea coast (although everything isn’t so straightforward there), but central Ukraine (including Kiev), and even more so western, have nothing to do with either the Russians or the so-called “Russian world”. here at least be offended, at least not. You won’t throw words out of a song. Their path forever diverged with Russia in the 12th century.
    1. Curious
      Curious 1 December 2017 22: 44 New
      0
      Colleague, where did you find signs of surprise in my comment?
  12. Antares
    Antares 1 December 2017 23: 05 New
    +5
    by how easily Russians (Russians) are assimilated in Ukraine, Ukrainians in the Russian Federation, citizens of the Republic of Belarus there and there, the border is only in the heads and on the TV.
    However, any border already divides into ours and not ours, including the psychology of the "enemy"
  13. populist
    populist 1 December 2017 23: 32 New
    +1
    Those with R1a1 in the blood. And they disappear. And why is it necessary to preserve, say, the Ussuri tiger (this is a good and good thing), but not to preserve the Russian nation that is? But this nation disappears, 700 thousand people per year disappear.

    Unfortunately, we Russians do not feel or understand our problems. And we don’t even know how to discuss. Bortko correctly identified part of the main problems, but they are not adequately revealed.
  14. tasha
    tasha 2 December 2017 05: 50 New
    +1
    But I’m just offended that the Tatars have their own state, but we don’t. That is the whole point. I want to be equal with them - not above them, but on equal terms.


    And I still think why in the country such a pigsty. Here it is - the Russians do not have their own state. Therefore, Russians are strangers everywhere and behave like intruders. So it turns out? Wow....
  15. Varyag77
    Varyag77 2 December 2017 12: 46 New
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    Quote: Curious
    Colleague, where did you find signs of surprise in my comment?


    Well, it seemed to me wink
  16. sura.barkas
    sura.barkas 4 December 2017 22: 26 New
    +1
    The cradle of Rus is Veliky Novgorod. Russia is the direct heiress of Russia and has confirmed its identity after the withdrawal of the throne of the Grand Duke from Kiev to Vladimir in 1169. After the destruction of Kiev in 1240, the Horde of the land and the Ukrainians "went" under Lithuania, and then the Commonwealth. The formation and strengthening of the Moscow Kingdom entailed the birth of the Russian Empire, which already at that time was faced with the phenomenon of Ukraine, that is, with Mazepa and his last, including existing ones. A small% of the mixing of the population of Russia and the Ukrainians confirms that the Russians and Ukrainians are different nations in essence.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 5 December 2017 01: 41 New
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      Why did you decide that this percentage is small? I would say that in the Oryol, Kursk, Bryansk, Voronezh, Belgorod regions it is quite a lot.
      1. sura.barkas
        sura.barkas 5 December 2017 07: 40 New
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        This is your personal opinion. Official statistics confirm otherwise - in the Russian Federation only 1,41% of Ukrainians, in the existing Ukraine by them Bandera-Shukhevych * up to 10% of Russians. A significant part of the population of Ukraine * "speaks" in Russian and surzhak, and not in mov, but this is another question.
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 7 December 2017 11: 14 New
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          Almost every family in these regions has Ukrainian relatives, both of Russian and Ukrainian nationality. My wife has a lot of relatives in Ukraine. Moreover, among them there are siblings, who for some reason in Soviet times put different marks on their nationality in their passports. How can we explain the fact that mom and dad are common, and some children are indicated by Ukrainians, others by Russians?
          By the way, surzhik, not surzhak.)) "This is your personal opinion" is a typical speech in the Ukrainian version of the Russian language.)
          1. sura.barkas
            sura.barkas 8 December 2017 19: 21 New
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            You are presented with official statistics on both sides. You do not agree with them. This is your personal opinion. I accept the mistake of surzhik. On December 1, 1991, the population of the former Ukraine for the most part (majority) voted to leave the Union. Today, the population of Ukraine named Bandera-Shukhevych * is going their own way and they will go all the way according to their choice. Only the State Debt Ukraine * is more than $ 77 billion. Someone wants to pay off this debt at the expense of the Russian Federation, as well as the debts of the Union?
  17. Alexandr Kovalev
    Alexandr Kovalev 5 December 2017 18: 18 New
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    unfortunately, the mythology of the past, the master prevails over reality. The problem with reality was the main cause of the collapse of the USSR. Calling the Ukrainian Russian, Bortko lays a new mine already in the foundation of Russia. Either he does not understand the current state of affairs (as a property of accumulated problems and misconceptions about the Pan-Slavic brotherhood), or he does not want to accept reality. And she is like this: every hour a Ukrainian shell flies into a house in the Donbass. And this will continue for exactly as long as Ukraine will be able to raise funds, people and weapons for this “Minsk war”. These people do not generate the very “Russianness” to which Bortko appeals.
    A little over a century ago, we were happy to call the Slavic brothers of the Bulgarians. Are you ready to list all the wars in which Bulgaria took part against us during this period?
    And today Alyosha is stained and humiliated by local vandals.
    Something like that, maestro.
    1. Antares
      Antares 5 December 2017 23: 09 New
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      Quote: Alexandr Kovalev
      he does not want to accept reality

      reality shaped by television and other media.
      Any border (even virtual) is already divided into competing groups.
      Ukrainians should not generate "Russianness" because even Russians do not generate it. Although the center of consolidation should be in Russia, but there should be a center of counter-consolidation at this historical moment. This happens. Sometimes it passes and then the reality becomes different.