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Sudan is ready to deploy the Russian military base in the Red Sea

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Al-Hadi Hamid, head of the Sudanese parliament’s defense and security committee, said the republic was ready to deploy a Russian military base on the Red Sea, as this would help in the fight against smuggling and slave trade.


Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, who first visited Russia, said in an interview with RIA on Saturday Newsthat he had discussed with the head of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin and the Minister of Defense Sergey Shoigu the possibility of creating a military base in the Red Sea on the Red Sea. The Sudanese leader at the same time reported that no agreement on this issue was concluded.

Sudan is ready to deploy the Russian military base in the Red Sea


I think it will be reasonable and true if the Russian leadership agrees to create a military base on the Red Sea coast. This will certainly be within the framework of cooperation between countries in the economic and military sphere. I emphasize that Sudan is ready to accept Russian military bases, this is a great collaboration.
- declared Hamid.

The parliamentarian stressed the importance of cooperation with the Russian Federation in the field of military-technical cooperation. He also recalled the length of the maritime borders of Sudan.

We recorded a large number of violations: vessels enter our territorial waters, fish illegally, fishing boats also violate borders
- declared Hamid.

The volume of slave trade and smuggling is significant in the Red Sea ... we, as part of the international community, have to fight such illegal phenomena, protect our shores, therefore our cooperation with the Russian Federation and the creation of a base are not something surprising. This is required by the present time, such cooperation exists in all countries.
- he noted.

Earlier, the first deputy chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Franz Klintsevich, said that Russia was ready to create a military base in Sudan if an official proposal from the Sudanese side was received. Presidential spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Monday did not comment on the topic of the prospects for creating a Russian military base in Sudan, reports RIA News
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 28 November 2017 16: 59 New
    15
    I understand the importance of a presence in this area .. But what will we place there? This dispersal will not work out and not so dense means. Here it is necessary to strengthen the borders in the west and south, to solve the Donbass problem and not by expressing concern.
    1. Leeds
      Leeds 28 November 2017 17: 11 New
      15
      The news is much more important, like about Avakov, than a fallen rocket ... That flew away, they wrote right away, as soon as it came off the ground. If only they would not lose face. Objectivity should be the most important principle of the resource. All the good news can only be fools.
      1. Logall
        Logall 28 November 2017 17: 15 New
        30
        It seems that the military budget is going to be cut ... To sacrifice the supply of new equipment to the army, for the sake of the base?
        We will be like gypsies - naked, barefoot, but around the world!
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 28 November 2017 17: 27 New
          +7
          Quote: Logall
          It seems that the military budget is going to be cut ... To sacrifice the supply of new equipment to the army, for the sake of the base?
          We will be like gypsies - naked, barefoot, but around the world!

          I do not agree, the base is needed. And there is nothing to sacrifice if you have not decided to place the floor of the RF Armed Forces there.
          1. Ragnar Lodbrok
            Ragnar Lodbrok 28 November 2017 17: 41 New
            11
            Base exclusively for presence? And in case of war it will be torn to pieces in hours! If you do something, then group so that you can protect yourself. And there is no money!
            1. gavrila2984
              gavrila2984 28 November 2017 18: 12 New
              +3
              Are you going to fight with someone?
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 28 November 2017 18: 29 New
                +8
                then why the base? For a show off?
                1. gavrila2984
                  gavrila2984 28 November 2017 19: 17 New
                  15
                  For the presence. Red Sea - It is so cunning that many different cargoes go through it. The trade routes are covered, As in ancient times, it will not work, but, As you say, in case of war, you can block them. It’s also possible in case of a showdown, such as with the Volgoneft tanker in 2000, to cover our ships, you can earn money on protection from pirates, since it’s nearby. The monopoly of amers oust. Yes, a lot of things are possible. There would be a base.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 28 November 2017 20: 07 New
                    +1
                    does the chieftain have pennies?
                    1. gavrila2984
                      gavrila2984 28 November 2017 20: 16 New
                      +7
                      The chieftain has a country
                      1. Overlock
                        Overlock 28 November 2017 20: 46 New
                        +5
                        Does the country have pennies? And then, after all, gasoline is growing again, and after it the products will catch up. Salary is growing only on paper.
                  2. Monos
                    Monos 28 November 2017 20: 18 New
                    +9
                    A costly and stupid idea. They will divorce how they bred the Union into grandmas under the sauce of "anti-Americanism." What anti-Americanism !? Americans recently lifted their sanctions; they have the largest NSA base in Africa. In addition, China sits there tightly. He builds infrastructure and buys oil. Why do they need our base? Money divorce.
                    1. Arzoo
                      Arzoo 28 November 2017 21: 07 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Monos
                      A costly and stupid idea.

                      I do not agree. Just throwing a couple of boats there will not cost anything. But if things are worth it, then something can be more interesting.
          2. Kent0001
            Kent0001 28 November 2017 21: 35 New
            +2
            Do not try, you do not explain to them. Such slogans for the sake of rating on this site communicate. The base is needed there, and you can set containers there ...
        2. Going
          Going 28 November 2017 17: 29 New
          12
          Everything can be reasonably calculated and prioritized.
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 28 November 2017 17: 58 New
            19
            Quote: Going
            Everything can be reasonably calculated and prioritized.


            hi What is it like? I dare to express my opinion. We (Russia) signed up for anti-piracy patrols in this region. We refuel our ships in foreign ports. If we have an easy marine support base in Sudan, then it will cost us less than with the current state of affairs. In addition, the payment for the rental of land for the base will be the protection of Sudan's waters in the Red Sea, which can be carried out by a boat fleet. The benefit is subject to stability in the Sudan itself, but there is no certainty that our sworn "friends" (the United States and the Emirates) will not make a trick in this country (such as Libya, Iraq or Syria).
            1. Going
              Going 28 November 2017 18: 07 New
              13
              You practically answered, based on the information that we have, I think there is someone to calculate and make an informed decision.
          2. tol100v
            tol100v 28 November 2017 18: 09 New
            +4
            Quote: Going
            Everything can be reasonably calculated and prioritized.

            All is correct. A chicken by the grain .... Should return!
        3. Lavrenti Pavlovich
          Lavrenti Pavlovich 28 November 2017 18: 04 New
          +6
          Quote: Logall
          It seems that the military budget is going to be cut ... To sacrifice the supply of new equipment to the army, for the sake of the base?
          We will be like gypsies - naked, barefoot, but around the world!

          Let experts and those who possess complete information think about the need for a military base. I think that our Corvettes 20380 and armored boats felt pretty good there - they can be built inexpensively and quickly. The budget can always be corrected, but the “bare and barefoot” in this country in no way intersects.
        4. seti
          seti 28 November 2017 18: 40 New
          14
          And you did not think that the benefits of this base are much greater than the costs?
          Firstly, the base in Sudan will allow us to control all military and civil shipping in the Red Sea.
          Secondly, there will be not a full-fledged base but a material and technical point. Let me remind you that our ships that sail in this area do not have their own angle either for repairs or for providing recreation to sailors. On the contrary, many states in this region are not averse to sticking a log in our wheels.
          That is, we need the base there only as a point of material and technical support and to replenish supplies of supplies, primarily food, water and fuel.
          But is it worth it to place anti-aircraft defense, anti-ship systems, VKS and so on? Our management needs to think.
          The economic component also takes place - Sudan is a country with vast mineral reserves. It would be nice to get drunk from this well.
          1. gavrila2984
            gavrila2984 28 November 2017 20: 05 New
            +2
            Huh. And also the base - This is a good advertisement for our ships. I mean for sale. People swim by, look, they want the same.
        5. sogdy
          sogdy 29 November 2017 06: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Logall
          It seems that the military budget is going to be cut

          How much more needs to be repeated - do not cut, but exclude order fraud. And return previously stolen. On these "2 percent" and there is a reduction.
      2. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 28 November 2017 20: 29 New
        +3
        Quote: Leeds
        than a fallen rocket ...

        Surely you caught her in the fall ??? wassat wassat
        1. Leeds
          Leeds 29 November 2017 08: 18 New
          0
          It's funny to some when something is on its side. But it’s good to see positive things and joke around. Must be able to.
    2. Chertt
      Chertt 28 November 2017 17: 14 New
      10
      As I understand it, these are only preliminary conversations, but to have a "base of material and technical and military supplies" in this region, as a way forward. very interesting. In Russia, warships of several projects of the "far sea zone" are being built. Here will be where to "walk" them. You see another advertisement, now the Navy
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 28 November 2017 18: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Chertt
        And to have a "base of material and technical and military supplies" in this region, as a reserve for the future, is very interesting.


        Here I am about that. Klintsevich is in a hurry to beat the drum, but in the Moscow Region and the president I think this question will be decomposed into molecules. yes
    3. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 28 November 2017 17: 19 New
      +7
      We’ll spray it if we act according to the Soviet. We need to do it like the Americans. That they would also pay extra to us and maintain the base, in exchange for protection, and weapons ..
      1. tol100v
        tol100v 28 November 2017 18: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        . That they also paid extra to us

        Interested to ask you? And when these not very full-term paid extra ???
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 29 November 2017 06: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Tol100v
          And when these not very full-term paid extra ???

          When were under the mandate of the Russian Empire.
    4. Maz
      Maz 28 November 2017 17: 37 New
      +4
      Our class will be another way to keep oil for Israeli coconuts
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 28 November 2017 17: 50 New
        +5
        Quote: Maz
        Our class will be another way to keep oil for Israeli coconuts

        Maz, what does Ukraine have to do with a Russian military base? recourse Dnepr, where you live not quite the Russian Federation.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 28 November 2017 18: 58 New
          +7
          Dnepr, where you live not quite the Russian Federation.


          this is only a temporary misunderstanding. 20 years is nothing. like 69 years wassat

          Maz looks wider. Because not d * cancer)
        2. Victor-M
          Victor-M 29 November 2017 02: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: Maz
          Our class will be another way to keep oil for Israeli coconuts

          Maz, what does Ukraine have to do with a Russian military base? recourse Dnipro, where you do not live quite the Russian Federation.

          Do not worry, soon there will be a completely and completely Russian Federation.
          1. sogdy
            sogdy 29 November 2017 06: 56 New
            0
            And Shaw did Aronchik get so excited ?!
    5. APASUS
      APASUS 28 November 2017 19: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      I understand the importance of being in the area .. But what will we place there?

      First we place the SSC-5 "Stooge" or simply K 300 Bastion PKRK

      and then such a thing

      Do you know what happens to free riders? This is primarily an instrument of influence. I look at Putin in general as the oil king in the West is called, I think something in this joke is a joke
    6. alexmach
      alexmach 28 November 2017 19: 35 New
      +6
      Well, recently Admiral Kulakov returned from the Red Sea. That's why the BOD is already there to chase after the pirates, is it not enough for him in the north to do specialized work ?.
      And to organize an MTO point there - just to ensure the possibility of refueling their own ships, and to drive there all kinds of “Vasiliev Bykov” 22160.
    7. marlin1203
      marlin1203 28 November 2017 19: 50 New
      0
      Do we now need to chase all poachers on the planet instead of “legitimate governments”?
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 28 November 2017 20: 12 New
        +4
        So poachers - This is for excuses. Again, you can hot vooooon that the ship did not like for the poaching to slow down. wink
    8. Slovak
      Slovak 28 November 2017 20: 38 New
      +3
      What are mattresses doing in all corners of the world? Sprayed? No threaten
    9. Orionvit
      Orionvit 28 November 2017 21: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: 210ox
      This spraying and not so dense means will not turn out.

      Raise the scale of thinking. The "super" state of Sudan, Not much afraid of the "wrath of the powerful", asks Russia to create a military base in a critical region (Red Sea, Suez Canal). This speaks only of one thing, about the growing authority of Russia and about the drop in the rating of the so-called "coalition", led by the USA. And creating a base is not as expensive as two power centers.
    10. Alex20042004
      Alex20042004 28 November 2017 21: 51 New
      0
      One could agree with something, but look at the map:
  2. Viktorfi
    Viktorfi 28 November 2017 17: 02 New
    +3
    ... we, as part of the international community, must fight against such illegal phenomena, protect our shores,


    And the lip is not a fool laughing
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 28 November 2017 17: 10 New
      +6
      That is, you can and should protect your lands, and other countries have no right to do this?
      1. Viktorfi
        Viktorfi 28 November 2017 17: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Herkulesich
        That is, you can and should protect your lands, and other countries have no right to do this?


        Yes, to health, the main thing is that Kuzya pulled, otherwise he pulled the navel the last time in Syria lol

        I would like from the news at least some specifics regarding the benefits for Russia.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 28 November 2017 19: 03 New
          +7
          Yes, to health, the main thing is that Kuzya pulled, otherwise he pulled the navel the last time in Syria


          it's like ukrointsy neigh over TAVKR. Type smokes. The Israelis were neighing. the French were neighing, too, and the British, until their pepelats broke. But the French at least have it.

          And what do Jews and Ukrainians laugh - this is the main question
          1. smart ass
            smart ass 28 November 2017 22: 20 New
            +4
            Kuzya smokes because the souls of sinners burn in his cauldrons
        2. Arzoo
          Arzoo 28 November 2017 21: 04 New
          +1
          Yes, to health, the main thing is that Kuzya pulled, otherwise he pulled the navel the last time in Syria

          And what for Kuzya is needed there? There, well, completely different tasks need to be solved ...
        3. Victor-M
          Victor-M 29 November 2017 02: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Viktorfi
          Quote: Herkulesich
          That is, you can and should protect your lands, and other countries have no right to do this?


          Yes, to health, the main thing is that Kuzya pulled, otherwise he pulled the navel the last time in Syria lol

          I would like from the news at least some specifics regarding the benefits for Russia.

          Someone's a belly button, and someone popets leaped.
        4. ImPerts
          ImPerts 29 November 2017 11: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Viktorfi
          Yes, to health, the main thing is that Kuzya pulled, otherwise he pulled the navel the last time in Syria

          Smart people have already ceased to jerk over "Kuznetsov". He smokes a little more than others, but not as presented.

          And the Syrian campaign made it possible to assess the capabilities of the aircraft carrier group in conditions as close to combat as possible. And they turned out to be no worse than the French, although their aircraft carrier, as it were, seemed to be more advanced and did not stand at the 20 wall for years (I exaggerate).
  3. Livonetc
    Livonetc 28 November 2017 17: 04 New
    +4
    Quote: 210ox
    I understand the importance of a presence in this area .. But what will we place there? This dispersal will not work out and not so dense means. Here it is necessary to strengthen the borders in the west and south, to solve the Donbass problem and not by expressing concern.

    Supply base, few service and guard units.
    Not all the same, for ship groups of tankers and auxiliary vessels to send.
    But the problem of Donbas is not being solved in the material and technical plane.
    Well..
    Or hesitates ...
  4. Ilya-spb
    Ilya-spb 28 November 2017 17: 05 New
    +5
    But across from Sudan ... Mecca!

    And the Suez Canal can be closed)))
    1. vladimirvn
      vladimirvn 28 November 2017 18: 14 New
      +3
      The Chinese there have long been yanking. It’s not in vain.
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 28 November 2017 18: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: vladimirvn
        The Chinese there have long been yanking. It’s not in vain.


        Hey. And not even in vain. They quietly glancing up the African continent under their protectorate. There are only about 10 bases in China with the same Chinese service staff.
        1. vladimirvn
          vladimirvn 28 November 2017 19: 19 New
          +1
          hi Good evening.
  5. Piramidon
    Piramidon 28 November 2017 17: 07 New
    +3
    Sudan is ready. But are we ready? In Syrian logistics, our ships and vessels are sewn up. Is it possible to maintain and supply the base also in the Red Sea? This, by the way, concerns the “idiots” at the expense of deploying bases in Vietnam and Cuba.
    Py.Sy. Objections like "dispossess Abramovich" at the moment are not real.
    Explanations here.
    https://cont.ws/@slow/178781
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 29 November 2017 07: 14 New
      0
      When we were already in Sudan and Ethiopia, we had no problems with blocking the Red Sea. And the "logistics" involved TF.
      And now everything goes through Amsterdam. And this is clearly not oil.
      Do you think that through Amsterdam with the feeding of another’s fleet and states - open opponents, cheaper? The “Pigeons of the World” in the Duma struck it - Yavlinsky, Khakamada ...
      Well, come on about the idiots, your pigeons littered the whole porch.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 29 November 2017 09: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: sogdy
        When we were already in Sudan and Ethiopia, we had no problems with blocking the Red Sea.

        When, when? Which THEN was the fleet and which NOW? What are you going to carry goods to Sudan, if to supply our bases in Syria, dry cargo vessels are rented from private foreign companies.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 29 November 2017 10: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          bulk carriers are leased from private foreign companies.

          Ask the question "patch", but just answer it correctly. Surely you will find friends in the merchant navy. Ask them. You won’t believe me.
  6. Ankipelgygyrgyn
    Ankipelgygyrgyn 28 November 2017 17: 07 New
    +2
    In the Red Sea, the volume of the slave trade and smuggling is significant ... we, as part of the international community, must fight against such illegal phenomena, protect our shores, so our cooperation with the Russian Federation and the creation of a base are not something surprising


    In my opinion, it is easier to immediately send such customers.
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 28 November 2017 17: 10 New
    +3
    Well, if Sudan pays laughing for solving HIS problems with the slave trade and smuggling - then you can put an outpost. And so, the benefits of Russia are not obvious.
    1. sogdy
      sogdy 29 November 2017 07: 21 New
      0
      The benefits are always not obvious. Obvious losses from the refusal. They are already there:
  8. ImPerts
    ImPerts 28 November 2017 17: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    And the Suez Canal can be closed)))

    The main thing in this proposal is the ability to control oil derricks and oil transportation)))
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 28 November 2017 20: 21 New
      +2
      Good map, it has Tuaregia! laughing
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 28 November 2017 20: 50 New
        +3
        https://lenta.ru/news/2012/07/15/notsecession/
        The Tuareg on Sunday, 15 July, abandoned the idea of ​​creating an independent state of Azawad in northern Mali, reports Reuters. This happened shortly after the Tuareg territory was captured by Islamic rebels, the agency said.
  9. Eurodav
    Eurodav 28 November 2017 17: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    I understand the importance of a presence in this area .. But what will we place there? This dispersal will not work out and not so dense means. Here it is necessary to strengthen the borders in the west and south, to solve the Donbass problem and not by expressing concern.

    Yes, they will find something to place, but the thing is different! We discussed the possibility, but agreements were not concluded! What is it? What is the essence of the news?
    Dmitry, maybe I will come to you in a week. Well, Igor, I do not mind ... And about nothing !!! I generally mean that if you blow this garbage around the world in advance, can Sudan soon experience all the charms of the banana revolution, for example, or what else is growing there?
  10. vanavatny
    vanavatny 28 November 2017 17: 17 New
    +3
    there soon something very bad may begin due to the construction of a dam, not to get into unknown bullshit ...
    1. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 28 November 2017 17: 53 New
      +1
      http://www.bbc.com/russian/international/2015/03/
      150323_nile_damb_dispute
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 28 November 2017 17: 56 New
      +4
      The base itself needs Sudan. He wants to rely on the growing power of Russia and its armed forces. Since it is divided by conflicts into northern and southern Sudan., The Darfur conflict has been going on since 2016, (the war in Darfur is an inter-ethnic conflict in Sudan, resulting in an armed confrontation between the central government and informal pro-government Arab armed groups "Janjaweed" and rebel groups of the local Negroid population.) In the north, unstable Egypt. And in the south of Ethiopia and Eritrea and their problems. Between Sudan and Egypt, problems on the Nile.
      The Russian Navy in Sudan in the Red Sea has no significance for the region or for Russia itself. And it will create problems --- supplying the base — like Makar?
      -How to unlock the base and by what forces, if they block it from above (Suez Canal) and from below (Bab-El-Mandeb Strait)?
      Once again Russia is trying to draw everything absorbing into a black hole. And to distract it from the sea routes in the Arctic. Where Russia has achieved significant results. The Arctic is a competitor to the Suez Canal, since it will take over part of the flow
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 28 November 2017 22: 24 New
        +1
        It’s cool to control the Suez channel and the silver route. And may the Chinese carry King Julian through Malegaskar to help
      2. sogdy
        sogdy 29 November 2017 07: 31 New
        0
        You all told beautifully. Almost correct. A small detail is all the consequences of our departure. Care from the highway, b @!
  11. Sagebrush
    Sagebrush 28 November 2017 17: 21 New
    +4
    it would be better placed on Socotra - to protect the local population from the horrors of the war there, against Somali pirates and in general
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 November 2017 17: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Wormwood
      it would be better placed on Socotra - to protect the local population from the horrors of the war there, against Somali pirates and in general

      "Where is the money, Zin?"
      = V.S. Vysotsky. =
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      2. Sagebrush
        Sagebrush 28 November 2017 17: 48 New
        +3
        you can regulate the movement of oil - that’s where the money will appear
        Bab El - Mandeb Strait becomes practically Russian
        Yes, and Socotra itself
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 28 November 2017 17: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Wormwood
          you can regulate the movement of oil - that’s where the money will appear

          There are specific proposals - how, where, to whom, for how much?
          1. Sagebrush
            Sagebrush 28 November 2017 17: 56 New
            +3
            it is necessary to agree with the Hussites - do not give money, but promise weapons
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 28 November 2017 19: 01 New
          +5
          Quote: Wormwood
          Bab El - Mandeb Strait becomes practically Russian

          Colleague hi The Bab el Mandeb Strait is already Chinese, the Chinese have staked out a place in Djibouti and are erecting a base there at an accelerated pace. hi
          1. Sagebrush
            Sagebrush 28 November 2017 20: 06 New
            +3
            the Chinese themselves, we ourselves do not interfere with one another
            only that’s why the USSR did not create a base there when they were in Yemen (only old tanks were deployed along the shore), probably some technical difficulties prevented or there were simply plenty of other our bases nearby
  12. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 28 November 2017 17: 26 New
    0
    We, like, should guard their sea borders, catch smugglers, poachers, etc.? Do we need it?
    We have recorded a large number of violations: vessels enter our territorial waters, illegally fish, fishing boats also violate borders.
    In the Red Sea, the volume of the slave trade and smuggling is significant.
  13. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 28 November 2017 17: 27 New
    +5
    Quote: Viktorfi
    Quote: Herkulesich
    That is, you can and should protect your lands, and other countries have no right to do this?


    Yes, to health, the main thing is that Kuzya pulled, otherwise he pulled the navel the last time in Syria lol

    I would like from the news at least some specifics regarding the benefits for Russia.

    Yes you are an ignoramus! Everyone breaks down. Kuzya both came and went. And did DE GOLLE not tear yourself up? He was definitely being towed because of problems with the mover. Because of the vibration, half of the rooms were closed and not used. And he completed his mission ahead of schedule. And American ships aren’t tearing. Even completely new? Either with electronics, then with screws, then with GEM,
    1. Viktorfi
      Viktorfi 28 November 2017 18: 11 New
      +2
      Kuzya both came and went.



      https://regnum.ru/news/2215434.html

      https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2215787.html
      1. _Ugene_
        _Ugene_ 28 November 2017 18: 17 New
        +6
        And what do you want to say with these links? The fact that 2 aircraft lost because of those. malfunctions and, perhaps, the inexperience of pilots everyone already knows, you thought no one here is aware, they revealed a terrible secret to us? Nevertheless, “Kuzya both came and went,” no one dragged him in tow.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 28 November 2017 19: 08 New
          +2
          And what do you want to say with these links?


          he is just jealous. they have neither aircraft construction nor TAVKR. They live what B .. The US sent, but Germany wrote it off.

          Here they are independent and full-fledged) For malice on the forum over the Russians - this is it
          1. Viktorfi
            Viktorfi 29 November 2017 07: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: s-t Petrov
            he is just jealous



            Yes, I envy .. We live longer, child mortality is lower, medicine is better, we do not live in hydrocarbons, US assistance is only a few percent of GDP and you need to buy some of them in the USA ....

            And Russia cannot live without foreign supplies, including even highly accurate machine tools, electronics and much more ..



            We envy all day, yeah lol
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 29 November 2017 12: 14 New
              +1
              I look at you - another month is not registered, but already for five hundred messages. Work well !!!)))
        2. Viktorfi
          Viktorfi 29 November 2017 07: 49 New
          +1
          The fact that there is nothing to succumb to such a fleet wink
          1. Hottabych
            Hottabych 29 November 2017 12: 18 New
            0
            What kind of fleet? Find inquiries. lol
  14. dojjdik
    dojjdik 28 November 2017 17: 28 New
    +2
    the best option for a base in Mexico with the aim of launching a “civil war” in the south of the United States and burning a couple of three American cities in the border region; Of course, the "Mexican" opposition should be well armed and preferably consist of Korean Russian Russian Iranian and Cuban special forces
  15. serriy
    serriy 28 November 2017 17: 32 New
    +6
    Gentlemen, why so much joy?
    When the Americans fled from Sudan, the losses were announced: 16 to 1000. A thousand is the loss of Sudanese rebels, of course, and, most likely, an approximate figure. But, nevertheless, you can estimate the number of attackers on Amers. There is still a civil war. And they can take up arms at our base, suddenly and immediately, at least 10 thousand evil and warlike Africans.
    Estimate what and how much you need, except for a modest naval base.
    Think about it, because for more than 20 years neither the UN nor any country has been present.
    Do we need it !? You never know what in the back ... in the sense of a hole name! am
    1. PalBor
      PalBor 28 November 2017 18: 05 New
      +6
      Quote: serriy
      Gentlemen, why so much joy?
      When the Americans fled from Sudan, the losses were announced: 16 to 1000. A thousand is the loss of Sudanese rebels, of course, and, most likely, an approximate figure. But, nevertheless, you can estimate the number of attackers on Amers. There is still a civil war. And they can take up arms at our base, suddenly and immediately, at least 10 thousand evil and warlike Africans.
      Estimate what and how much you need, except for a modest naval base.
      Think about it, because for more than 20 years neither the UN nor any country has been present.
      Do we need it !? You never know what in the back ... in the sense of a hole name! am

      You mixed up with Somalia.
  16. next322
    next322 28 November 2017 17: 36 New
    +3
    To get into Sudan ...... to bear enormous financial losses for maintenance, construction, etc., when Ukraine is burning near Russia and the war is about to enter ?? Madness!
  17. SMikhalych
    SMikhalych 28 November 2017 17: 39 New
    16
    I read some comments. Their authors are simply far from what Sudan is and what it is eaten with. It was not without reason that the Americans arranged a kyzh with the formation of the opposition, the secession of South Sudan and the organization of problems in the province of Darfur. The following happened: after the separation of South Sudan, where all oil production was concentrated, the Chinese killed all the oil fields. This is reliable information! As for what Sudan can pay, I can say that Sudan is VERY rich in gold, but it does not yet have the technology to extract it in sufficient quantities. I want to note that the first country for gold mining in Africa is South Africa, the second Ghana, the third Sudan. If Sudan receives the appropriate technologies (they are still in this, as children), then Ghana will be completely behind, especially after the arrival of the new President, who froze mining at small-scale concessions for 6 months and extended the moratorium until February 2018. I know what I’m writing about (on the checkbox) note).
    For knowledgeable people, this is not a problem and work is already underway. Today, at least 2 Russian companies are working in Sudan, with whom they managed to communicate. Loads of equipment are moving, work is ongoing.
    In addition, the Chinese are actively introducing themselves into this region, and this should not be allowed! You can’t even imagine how great China’s expansion into the African continent is.
    That is why the President of Sudan turned to the GDP with a request to "save Africa from the United States." It would seem like a connection, but, as they say, politics is the art of the possible. Russia, unlike the United States, doesn’t move on the principle “you have oil, then we’ll go to you”, but creates the conditions when this or that country SAMA starts asking for help. And all this fits into the framework of the UN Security Council Charter. And so, what to place and for what shisha, this is a matter of technology.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 28 November 2017 17: 55 New
      +2
      All East Africa is a zone of special interests of the PRC. A number of countries - they have already remade for themselves, putting the top loyal to the PRC and hooking all this up with their corporations, weapons, generals who were trained in the PRC.

      And here is the question. Is it worth breaking the PRC Sudanese multi-port? China will be offended. If anything, the PRC already has a blocking base (not a PMTO, but a full base) at the exit. And there is the constant presence of the PRC fleet.

      1. Suhow
        Suhow 28 November 2017 23: 34 New
        +2
        And China with the Russian Federation is strongly considered? It is possible to distinguish interests so to speak.
    2. LAWNER
      LAWNER 28 November 2017 19: 26 New
      +3
      Given Russia's annual purchases of gold, Sudanese gold will not be superfluous.
      It's a pity the helicopter carrier is not good. It was possible to close a huge piece of the water area. Fuel is within walking distance.
      In short, like an apartment in a residential area, but with bad neighbors.
    3. bk316
      bk316 28 November 2017 19: 49 New
      +4
      Their authors are simply far from what Sudan is and what it is eaten with.

      Worse, they seem to be confusing Sudan and Somalia.
    4. askme
      askme 28 November 2017 20: 55 New
      +3
      Of course! Taking into account the experience of Syria and taking into account our constant combat duty in the Horn of Africa, the Russian Federation will do everything wisely. You can start small, immediately paying off this small savings on supply ships, etc., starting to mine gold. All Sudan arms loans need to be tightly tied to gold supplies, i.e. not to feed loans, but to give them short-term and medium-term for reasonable amounts, without inflating and not putting them in the back box, but let them repay the loans in gold. It is beneficial for everyone. To work with them softer than the Chinese work, not to crush, but not to do charity - this is the secret of our miracle in Africa. Under the Chinese they are already moaning. But Russia can play well on this and return to Africa as king. The main thing is in the mind. It was very important here to choose the right country for entry. Too rich and hassle-free
      wrong, because such countries are too ambitious and expensive in games. Too small and poor country, too problematic is to drown immediately in their swamp. And Sudan is what the doctor ordered! And we can play with them within our means. And technologically we will pull these games, mining projects. And the country is strong enough to solve military small things with the pirates on their own, and we will put anti-piracy funds on credit for small amounts, which we will return with gold in a clear time frame. And they will provide protection to our base, like the Syrians, in a circle. For this we are closing them from the Yankees. If you can bring a division there. Recently purchased container ships of 10000 tons of containers each, for Syria - this is enough for Sudan)

      And logistics can go not only through the Suez Canal, but also through Iran, the South Corridor for India and we are bridging there .... Many have not heard about this yet. Iran is our key partner not only in Syria ...
  18. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 28 November 2017 17: 46 New
    0
    After the news, about the replenishment of the Pacific Fleet, just a couple of corvettes and diesels ... What will we put ??
    At the moment, probably, not a hat for Senka, alas
  19. HEATHER
    HEATHER 28 November 2017 17: 57 New
    +1
    The base is excellent. But the war in the country
  20. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 28 November 2017 17: 58 New
    +1
    Earlier ... Klintsevich said that Russia is .... to the base in Sudan.
    What only Klintsevich does not declare. To each, as they say, a barrel plug. As if, if not for him, no one would know anything. If Russia decides on a base issue, his opinion will be asked last. Putin has no priority in priority. He said last week that he should be preparing for war. The truth is not specified with whom and on whose territory.
  21. ADmA_RUS
    ADmA_RUS 28 November 2017 18: 10 New
    +1
    1. Calm down. Your opinion is not interesting to the decision maker.
    2. You do not know the entire amount of information, even for an adequate analysis, I am silent about decision-making.
    3. You do not even know what the real goals and objectives were set at the start of negotiations.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 28 November 2017 18: 22 New
      +3
      and so you calm down, you also don’t know anything, nevertheless write your comment too, and others, therefore, do not need to?
  22. Roman 11
    Roman 11 28 November 2017 18: 24 New
    +1
    The theme resonates well with the book by Frederick Forsyth - Dogs of war.
    If we invest there, we will establish the development of mines and deposits ...... will they not throw off a friendly leader? After all, it’s just a base, it’s understandable as the 5th wheel of a cart, just because bases do not arise - it is a fortified bridgehead for mining. I suspect ours bought this leader, without bribes there.

    Therefore, in order to guarantee or insure possible losses, you need a legally registered island status, preferably away from the coast. Otherwise, the coup or the leader will be outbid and we will lose everything there!

    Only an island, otherwise there is no point in straining the navel, the Union policy is enough for us, we will leave altruism for Filipinos.
  23. tank66
    tank66 28 November 2017 18: 36 New
    +2
    Rotenberg, who invented the Plato system, should consult if it’s possible to set up a paid raid there. Using controlled minefields. Shtob the basis for self-sufficiency quickly came out. I agree to the post of commandant. I’ll ask you for a current next to the base to drop a couple of tactical edged charges and a red button on the desktop. And so, do not die in the crib. And who of the staff wants to live very much - let them wind up against the wind on trolleys if they see something like that. I saw such - about 250 km per hour rush over the sea ...
  24. high
    high 28 November 2017 19: 03 New
    0
    Quote: seti
    And you did not think that the benefits of this base are much greater than the costs?

    Alas, all these bases and wars, this is a low standard of living of the population. Today, Russia (90th place) has the lowest standard of living in Europe.
    https://newsland.com/community/129/content/reitin
    g-stran-mira-po-urovniu-zhizni-v-2017-godu / 578889
    3
    Funds must be allocated to medicine: today the lowest health levels in Europe are 3 countries Ukraine, (118), Russia (119) and Belarus (120)
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3098853
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 November 2017 20: 00 New
      +4
      Today, Russia (90th place) has the lowest standard of living in Europe.

      Yes, of course, and when we finish eating the hedgehogs, it will be the lowest in the world. Db
  25. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 28 November 2017 19: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: _Ugene_
    And what do you want to say with these links? The fact that 2 aircraft lost because of those. malfunctions and, perhaps, the inexperience of pilots everyone already knows, you thought no one here is aware, they revealed a terrible secret to us? Nevertheless, “Kuzya both came and went,” no one dragged him in tow.

    You can give a very fresh example, about black Thursday in the USA, but this is a distraction from the topic, and an insult to the American friends of the Jews. Therefore, it is not interesting for them. It is more interesting to rummage in Russian society. https://www.gazeta.ru/army/news/10862174.shtml
  26. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 28 November 2017 19: 05 New
    +1
    We used to have a base in Dohlak there. The base is needed. There are all trade routes from the Indian Ocean to Europe. It is possible, if something happens, to take by the "eggs".
  27. pvv113
    pvv113 28 November 2017 19: 15 New
    +3
    it will be reasonable and true if the Russian leadership agrees to create a military base on the Red Sea

    1. Fedya2017
      Fedya2017 28 November 2017 20: 18 New
      +2
      "= At first, Russia saved Syria and did not allow the United States to build gas pipelines through it to Europe =" ... Darling, are you out of your mind ??! The United States started a Syrian slaughter precisely in order to prevent such gas pipelines. They themselves are going to sell shale gas to Europe, transporting it by tankers across the Atlantic ... And they are poisoning their Middle Eastern accomplices - Saudi Arabia - to Qatar so that Qatar does not even have thoughts about gas pipelines ... they wrote about it in the newspapers on TV They told ... Have you been away somewhere all this time? Do not expose such stupid pictures, here all the same in most literate people.
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 28 November 2017 20: 34 New
        +3
        I just posted the picture I liked, and you're trying to portray the genius of big politics out of the blue. Do not make people funny!
        1. Fedya2017
          Fedya2017 28 November 2017 21: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: pvv113
          I just posted the picture I liked,

          There are plenty of pictures on the Internet ... There are smart, there are stupid ones. Choose on your own?
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 28 November 2017 21: 36 New
            +3
            Especially for you hi
            1. Fedya2017
              Fedya2017 28 November 2017 21: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: pvv113
              Especially for you

              So I immediately said that you were out of your mind ... You can no longer confirm.
              1. pvv113
                pvv113 28 November 2017 22: 06 New
                +3
                Do not make people laugh, and do not try to seem more stupid than in reality.
                1. Fedya2017
                  Fedya2017 28 November 2017 22: 50 New
                  +1
                  Quote: pvv113
                  Do not make people laugh

                  Well, well, don’t cry Kitty ... The fountain of wisdom has already scored from you. All the best.
                  1. pvv113
                    pvv113 28 November 2017 23: 01 New
                    +3
                    Good luck, Fedya!
  28. Monarchist
    Monarchist 28 November 2017 19: 32 New
    +2
    Comrades, this is not a matter of our competence, but, in principle, in Sudan, you can place a technical base, like Tartus. It will not be a strain on the budget needed for the Navy
  29. Roman 11
    Roman 11 28 November 2017 19: 32 New
    +3
    Is Uncle Vova super? Super who? To play soldiers? We have really bad life ratings for people ..... we need an intelligent leader.

    After Andropov, a statesman did not appear, now it’s not the 90s as under ebn, but the authorities can not offer anything to improve the economy, so you are super wacky senile dementia - I wish you a speedy recovery and further good health soldier

    I hope the line will not be built up of African leaders, because they can remember the Union and make good milk "you are super," or rather its subjects. stop
    1. bk316
      bk316 28 November 2017 20: 04 New
      +4
      hour while not the 90s as with ebn,

      Probably the word “bye” means that soon it will be soon: the army fell apart, the armed people rummaged through the streets, the shelves of stores are empty, if you only eat the legs of a bush. Db
    2. Suhow
      Suhow 28 November 2017 23: 23 New
      +1
      I don’t think it’s necessary to support all the leaders (I think in this case the Russian Federation will take into account the Union’s experience, they helped many to the detriment of themselves, but now a large half have become enemies).
  30. Ural resident
    Ural resident 28 November 2017 19: 48 New
    +1
    when creating new military bases, one must think that they bring income and not expense.
    It is time for the capitalists to learn how to profit from geopolitics.
  31. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 28 November 2017 19: 59 New
    +2
    We have drawn a new "friend" Bashir ... Bashar already has ... The situation in the countries of both of these "friends" is deplorable - a civil war. Sudanese Bashir needs money, the West will not give him. since the Darfur massacre of its own population hangs on it, and a tribunal shines on it. For the Syrian "friend", the prospect of sitting in the dock has moved aside, thanks to Russia ... And the Sudanese "friend" is still very smiling at this bench and is waiting for its sidekick. Will we save? True, they say we don’t have any money ... And 23 million of our own population lives near the poverty line ... And Syria is also to be restored. The Syrians themselves do not have such funds, but approximately 300 billion "green" are required ... At whose expense will there be a restoration ??! Who will guess three times? ...
    1. ventel
      ventel 28 November 2017 22: 03 New
      +2
      Not all the same, there are adequate people on the site who think and then write, and then how do you read victory everywhere, only ordinary Russians from this are neither cold nor hot.
      1. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 28 November 2017 23: 00 New
        +1
        Ordinary people in any country are neither cold nor hot. Regardless of victories.
  32. bondxnumx
    bondxnumx 28 November 2017 20: 37 New
    +3
    Give the military base in the Red Sea! People recall --- We Russia could not --- refused to help Gaddafi, although he asked AND WHAT Consequences Came? The more Russia is gaining ground in the World (Including the Military Base), the more they reckon with us ---- Example: SYRIA! All the less, they reckon with the states AND ALL THIS DIRECTLY Affects the Economic Benefits of the Country! And those who begin to rant about the dispersal of forces ---- alarmist and do not see beyond their own nose! Many examples
    1. askme
      askme 28 November 2017 22: 01 New
      +2
      Do not worry so) You are right about the point. And those who calmly throw different mental rubbish “prosralipolymers” are trolls, this is their work, they are enemies, the flag doesn’t mean anything, really a person can sit somewhere in Zhmerynka, Seattle or Haifa ...
  33. zivXP
    zivXP 28 November 2017 21: 11 New
    +1
    Well, after all, Russia has no borders, so the Red Sea is also an asset.
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  35. gavrila2984
    gavrila2984 28 November 2017 22: 53 New
    0
    Quote: Overlock
    Does the country have pennies? And then, after all, gasoline is growing again, and after it the products will catch up. Salary is growing only on paper.

    The country has one. Do not confuse your coat with state.
  36. Suhow
    Suhow 28 November 2017 23: 09 New
    +1
    here are the Syrian Pros. Not everyone likes the bearers of democracy (Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia) .... smart and pragmatic leaders understand this. And I think the freedom of action under the roof of the Russian Federation is much greater than that of a pro .... western partner.
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus 28 November 2017 23: 46 New
    0
    This is just a letter of intent.
    Let's see. what the Americans will offer them.
    These sh-shki will revel to themselves until the last
    better conditions. There, in Libya, they were catching up ...
  38. Nemesis
    Nemesis 29 November 2017 00: 38 New
    +1
    Why does Russia need a naval base in Sudan if it has barely enough warships for coastal defense? GDP gathered Sudan at the expense and to the detriment of the Russian Federation to feed ?! When will the Kremlin begin to solve problems in Russia itself ?!
  39. Dimmih
    Dimmih 29 November 2017 11: 26 New
    0
    And why, I apologize to us based there? This is not our sea, our borders are not there. The base is needed where you need to protect your interests, and sticking bases wherever possible and throwing in budget funds there makes no sense. Build a port for the Africans, and then they wave to us with a pen and run to other sponsors? Passed it. Today I was driving around our mournful city and skillfully circling holes in the asphalt, and here is the base in Sudan, etc. With the money of the inviting party, ours is yours to you, but at the expense of taxpayers, yes you!
  40. Bosch
    Bosch 29 November 2017 18: 38 New
    0
    Bases are not superfluous.