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The feat of Guli at Stalingrad is what young people need to know

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It seemed that this girl was born for a bright, happy life, full of creative success, fame, fans. However, her life was really bright - it was even brighter than originally thought. And creative successes in her were. Unfortunately, life was too short - just 20 years. And the glory turned out to be posthumous. 24 November marked the 75 anniversary of the death of Marionella Vladimirovna Koroleva, better known as Gulya Koroleva.


The feat of Guli at Stalingrad is what young people need to know


A girl was born in Moscow 22 September 1922. Her father was director Vladimir Danilovich Korolev. Already in 4, she starred in the film "Kashtanka". Parents saw her actress. Friends who have been in the family, touched by the girl’s lively, restless character and her pretty appearance, said: “This is not Koroleva, this is the queen of the ball!” And sometimes, when the child was too naughty, she was not called Marionella, but Satanella .

However, the strange, exotic name Marionella did not stick in the family. She was given a home nickname - Gulya. No one knew then that under this name she would step into Immortality ... Her happy childhood was marred by the divorce of her parents in 1932. She and her mother moved to Kiev. She missed her father, constantly corresponded with him.

In addition to "Kashtanka" (1926), Gulya starred in five more films. One of them is the “Ryazan women” (1927). But it was especially difficult for her to play the role of the peasant daughter Vasilinka in the film “Partisan’s Daughter” (1935), dedicated to the struggle of the peasants with their fists. For this role, the young actress had to train a lot, including riding. But on the other hand, the girl was generously rewarded for her work - she was given a ticket to Artek.

In 1936, Gul is shot in two more films - "Sun Masquerade" and "I love." But she, despite the desire of parents and success, did not want to be a professional actress. In 1940, she entered the Kiev Irrigation Institute.

Soon the girl married. There is disagreement over who her spouse was. In the book “The Fourth Height” by Elena Ilina it is stated that his name was Sergey. However, most researchers are inclined to think that Gulya was married to Alexei Pyatakov - the nephew of the disgraced people's commissar Georgy Pyatakov, who was shot in 1937 year. If this fact is true - then this is another stroke to the fate and character of the heroine. At first, she was not afraid to marry a relative of the “enemy of the people”, and then, when at the beginning of the war he was sent into exile, she did not harbor personal insults at home (like many), but went to defend her.

Anyway, the question of who her husband was is not the most important ... The main thing is what she had to do in the future.

It is difficult to say how the fate of a talented girl would have been. Perhaps she would still want to serve art and become one of those great Soviet actresses she loves so much - so far! - our people. But 1941 came the year that brought the war.

Gulya along with her mother and stepfather evacuated to Ufa. Her son Sasha was born there. He was given a cute family nickname - "Hedgehog." But she didn’t have a chance to raise a child - Gulya rushed to the front. And for the sake of the country, and for the sake of her little son, the separation with which was incredibly difficult ... She was dissuaded by her relatives and friends, then she did not want to be sent to the front line - but she sought precisely to be in the heat of the moment, where the most difficult and dangerous .

Koroleva achieved that she was appointed to the medical battalion of the 780 rifle regiment of the 214 th rifle division of the 24 th army. In the spring of 1942, she headed for Stalingrad.

She wrote to her father about how she was at the front — somewhat mundanely, as about normal work: “We fought for the same height. They fought a day, occupied it several times and retreated several times. Hard there German sat down. I went to pull out the wounded - close to the Germans lying. The Germans noticed, they decided to take it alive. I crawl and they crawl, and they gave me a machine-gun fire veil behind me so that they would not come to my aid. Back to crawl late. Ahead of the wounded and the Germans take the ring. I took a grenade in my hands, decided that I would let me in and throw grenades, even if I’d interrupt them more ... Then I killed two Fritzes. ”

In another letter, she told in pain how she bandaged a wounded six-month-old child who had killed her mother: “I bandage him, and he looks at me with such large, suffering eyes and does not cry, but only sighs heavily. I bandage it, and tears pour down at my very eyes. ” Surely in those moments she was thinking about her son, whom she had to leave because of the war.

It was the day of her feat - November 23 1942 of the year. It was a fierce battle for the height of 56,8 near the farm Panshino. In this battle, Gulya saved fifty wounded, carrying them from the battlefield. And when the commander died, he rose to his full height and led to the attack. Although by that time she was already injured.

Wounded, the medical instructor of the 214 Rifle Division, Gulya Koroleva, fought heroically. Bursting into a fascist trench, destroyed the Nazis with grenades 15. Together with a handful of fighters held until reinforcements arrived. Unfortunately, the next day, November 24, she passed away from her wounds.

Her feat is immortalized not only in books (the most famous of which is the aforementioned “Fourth Height”), but also in films. Unfortunately, now it’s difficult to watch films because of copyright issues, and the book on which a whole generation of Soviet children was raised was not published for many years due to the same problem.

The streets in Volgograd (Stalingrad), Mezhdurechensk, and Dnepropetrovsk are named after Guli. There was a street named after her in Kiev, but, unfortunately, it was not preserved. Moreover, it happened long before the restructuring and the Maidan - just the street was small and disappeared during the construction of one of the big stores ...

In addition, the name of the heroine is immortalized in the name of the village in the Soviet district of Volgograd, as well as the children's camp in the Volgograd region. On the territory of “Artek” there is a monument called “They were Artekites”, where her last name was carved ... January 9 January 1943, Gulya Korolev was posthumously awarded the Order of the Red Banner.

No matter how hard they tried to distort the heroic deeds of Stalingrad, even putting pressure on pity for the enemies, this will not be possible. And young people need not be told about any Hans or Fritz, but about heroes who defended their homeland from invaders.
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  1. Same lech
    Same lech 28 November 2017 06: 37 New
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    “I bandage him, and he looks at me with such big, suffering eyes and does not cry, but only sighs heavily. I’m bandaging it, and at the very tears are pouring hail. ”


    At this age, children are still like angels ... there are no sins behind them and it’s hard to look at their suffering.
    Thousands and thousands of girls such as Gulya died in battles with the Germans and sometimes in the most terrible way ... but the boy from Urengoy will never understand this from him for other values ​​... Bavarian beer, smartphone and worries about the German soldier innocently killed in Russian captivity who killed many Russians before being captured.
    Such boys and those who stand behind their backs will have to fight ... fight for their lost souls ... facing the abyss of hell.
    1. Vend
      Vend 28 November 2017 10: 08 New
      +8
      I remember in the school "Fourth Height" about Gula Koroleva
      1. Ragoz
        Ragoz 28 November 2017 21: 44 New
        +3
        Wend:
        I well remember how in the 1949 year (the third grade of the 12 seven-year school in Chernikovsk, now it is the Kalinin district of Ufa), this classroom teacher read this book to us after class.
        1. Vend
          Vend 29 November 2017 10: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Ragoz
          Wend:
          I well remember how in the 1949 year (the third grade of the 12 seven-year school in Chernikovsk, now it is the Kalinin district of Ufa), this classroom teacher read this book to us after class.

          We even wrote an essay.
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 28 November 2017 13: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Such boys and those who stand behind their backs will have to fight ... fight for their lost souls ... facing the abyss of hell.

      The problem is that what we consider “hell” they consider to be “paradise” and almost from an official position are trying to convince us of this. How to deal with this, persuasion?
  2. moskowit
    moskowit 28 November 2017 06: 47 New
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    The exploits of those who gave their lives for their homeland are immortal! Little is known about many or nothing at all .... It is good that a book was written about Gul Koroleva .... In my early childhood, almost everyone knew and read this book ...
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 28 November 2017 07: 12 New
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      Quote: moskowit
      The exploits of those who gave their lives for their homeland are immortal! About many little or nothing is known ....

      We do not have an ideological state. Without ideology and pride in their country. This Soviet Union was engaged in the upbringing of the younger generation in the spirit of patriotism and love for their homeland. Almost 50 years have passed after I graduated from school, but I still remember the stands dedicated to the exploits of Leni Golikov, Guli Koroleva, Marat Kazey, Volodya Dubinin and many other pioneers and Komsomol members, heroes of the Great Patriotic War. Thanks to the author for recalling one of the episodes of the Second World War and one of the heroines of this brutal war. And now there is an upbringing in the spirit of worshiping false values ​​and green toilet paper.
      1. Mu Dialer
        Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 07: 38 New
        +7
        Now, on the contrary, it’s better. During the Soviets there was too much silence, lies and hypocrisy.
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              1. Luga
                Luga 28 November 2017 11: 20 New
                +8
                Quote: EvgNik
                The guys said everything. And who is to be rude? I don’t see a person. I see the troll.

                Well, they attacked a person, but for what? Dare the USSR to criticize? Let me remind you.
                Mu Dialer Today, 07: 38 ↑ New
                Now, on the contrary, it’s better. During the Soviets there was too much silence, lies and hypocrisy.

                I would build the phrase the other way around - I would swap sentences and then, in general, from my point of view, there would be nothing to complain about. Who among those present will deny that lies and hypocrisy, silence, and silence in the USSR were higher than the roof? I remember perfectly remember this total lie at all levels, starting from kindergarten. We pretend to believe, they pretend to believe that we believe. Double moral - you can think what you want, and say only what they said. If one of my colleagues tells me that he liked to stand on the ruler for an hour, listen to the blizzard carried on the radio or TV (or rather, pretending to be listening), like all kinds of political information (this is what I personally experienced) then I just laugh. I didn’t have a chance to attend party meetings, but I found the Komsomol and remember perfectly well how we all are normal young guys! - raped themselves at these meetings, first carrying all the blizzard, and then listening to her. And this lies poured from everywhere - from reproducers, from screens, from newspapers, from teachers, educators, parents, superiors, but most importantly, no one believed this, and everyone knew it, but carefully pretended.
                And how much information was hidden, and for trying to get it was given a hat? My relatives lived in Mge. They say to them, they say, Germans near Leningrad both in the tail and in the mane, but they do not believe - they went to the forest for mushrooms and berries and saw what was happening there. Who is who in the tail and mane. There and now ... there is something to be surprised. And then I tried to find out about where in the forest there were so many of our helmets and bones - I was young, stupid, I heard out of the blue about Sinyavinsky operations, became interested ... I did not find anything. Didn't you need to know? Lies flourished, and the truth was hidden.
                So, my opinion is this. The USSR is a world superpower, to the status of which modern Russia has seven versts of jelly slumped, it fell apart like a house of cards, largely because it was based on a rotten ideology, which almost no one believed in the postulates. That’s what Mu Dialer wrote about, in any case, I understood him that way, so I agree and put a plus on the commentary.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 28 November 2017 12: 07 New
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                  normal young guys! - raped themselves at these meetings,
                  it lied from everywhere - from reproducers, from screens, from newspapers, from teachers, educators, parents, superiors, but most importantly, no one believed this
                  in any case, as I understood it, therefore I agree and put a plus to the commentary.

                  The fact that this user is close to you is understandable from your past comments. About lies and hypocrisy.
                  Any power has this tendency. Listen to how for the sake of the common good, happiness, countries are being destroyed, innocent people are dying, and the happiness of democracy is getting closer and closer.
                  What are you lying to? The fact that democracy lives off the robbery of the rest of the world? Didn’t you understand it now? What, for 300 percent of profit, will anyone turn to dust? Isn't that true? What is the great lie of the USSR? That you do not live under communism right now? Yes, who would let you in with such a psychology?
                  Well, we found out, you are the whole truth about the war, that we had losses and what? After this, did the eighth chakra open or is happiness added to your life? You didn’t fight there and it’s not for you to reproach the Soviet government for hiding something from you. There, starting with L.I. Brezhnev was not couch warriors and had the moral right to decide what to say to some raped combatants and what not. So, you can continue to feel offended and support such, here are the "Mu Dialer" s. She doesn’t live in a rotten ideology country, which is increasingly rolling toward the Libyan Jamahiriya, the land rest in peace.
                  1. Luga
                    Luga 28 November 2017 13: 16 New
                    +6
                    Do you prefer to go in formation, think as ordered, and are ready to let someone decide for you what you can know and what you can't? Me not. And already in his 15-17 years he thought with his own head, and did not listen meekly to what they poured into me. And he disagreed with many postulates hammered into my brains about, for example, that whites were all bad and red were good. And it was this independence in thinking that also allowed me not to believe five years later, when "glasnost" came and everything turned by 180 degrees into the fact that all the reds, on the contrary, are sadists and maniacs, and the whites are the salt of the Russian land. But like you, convinced communists, in those same years instantly repainted, turning into democrats, and now they are also hastily changing their shoes from liberals to patriots. And tomorrow they will repaint again from patriots to ... I don’t know who.
                    If you lived in those days and still do not understand what and how they deceived you, you can only regret it. This means that you can deceive you indefinitely.
                    And the last. If you have decided to use your head exclusively as an organ of perception of other people's teams, then do not bother others to use it for what it is intended by nature - for the thought process.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 28 November 2017 15: 10 New
                      10
                      I am glad for you that you use your head so skillfully. As you can see from your comment, you're not white, not red, not green. And what, you? Let's try to figure it out. If we talk about ideas, then we need to talk about them in a pure form. Indeed, as it turns out, they often replace the general, with the private, they say there were good people among the whites, and among the reds, ghouls. Proceeding from the wrong message, that is, chattering, we will slide down to the schoolboy Kolya with brainwashed. And among the Nazis, after all, there were people nothing, he says. So, here, do not stoop to personalities. We started about white and red, and we must continue.
                      So everything is arranged that everything in the world has two poles. Therefore, you are either red or white. You are either for Stalin or for Hitler. You are either a man or a woman. Otherwise, you may find yourself under the spectral flag in the end, if you do not realize in time who I am.
                      About the system. I, as I understand it, that you are a bright personality. I, like a dustpan, a padded jacket and Colorado, accustomed to do what they order, do not understand you. Well, only, the basis is the same with us for all the difference between the superstructure with the ears. And the biological basis is that we all, social beings. Not one humanoid, unable to survive alone in nature and continue their race. Therefore, starting from distant times, our ancestors, one way or another, went in formation. Childbirth, tribes, community. Everything was subject to the survival of the community. And those who thought a lot differently than everyone else would usually shorten their heads so that the people would not be embarrassed and would not create unnecessary problems. Natural selection, this is called. Time passed and when machines began to appear, and individuals who dealt with them began to be required, artificial selection appeared, as a result of which, quite competent individuals arose. In the heads of some, strange thoughts began to arise that he was a personality, an individuality, and the rest, less literate, means no. Further, the thought continued, crystallized, and now, already some nations, and races, became, and not people at all. And when a lot of such bright personalities gathered, they decided to go east and put in their slave place those who went in line and thought only what the party would order. But, here, after all, bad luck, the basis is stronger than a superstructure under a helmet with blonde hair, because, that which corresponds to human nature always wins. Such a fairy tale.
                      1. Luga
                        Luga 28 November 2017 17: 29 New
                        +3
                        Quote: avva2012
                        So everything is arranged that everything in the world has two poles. Therefore, you are either red or white. You are either for Stalin or for Hitler. You are either a man or a woman. Otherwise, you may find yourself under the spectral flag in the end, if you do not realize in time who I am.

                        Anyway, frankly.
                        There is always something else between the two poles. It is not necessary to be at the extreme point, although this is probably easier. I don’t know whose side I could take in the civil war, more likely red than white, but the question “for Stalin or for Hitler” is not for me, I am for the USSR, Russia, which I do not identify with specific personalities. As for your passages in relation to male women, specify what you mean - a social role or a biological one. Yes, you can’t get away with the biological one (operations do not count), but the social aspect ... Personally, I do not approve of the men who do housework while their wives earn money, but I think that it’s purely their business - how to live.
                        And as for the system, here's what I’ll say.
                        Inequality has been at all times. The children of the rich and successful lived better than the children of the poor and unlucky, so they survived more often, despite their personal virtues or their absence. Machines and artificial selection are not mutually related.
                        Those who thought differently from how everyone was and are the engine of progress, they figured out how to use fire, how to make a bow and wheel, and they also invented everything else.
                        And further. Build and crowd. The team and the herd. Feel the difference? Maybe I put it wrong when I wrote “go in formation”, perhaps because I didn’t want to use the expression “shove the crowd like a buffet” or something like that. What you write about is a herd or a crowd that easily obeys anyone’s will, easily changes direction when the leader changes to the opposite. Story, the team is determined by the awareness of each activity, the coincidence of goals and interests. In the collective, everyone is a person, an individuality. There are no personalities in the crowd, there is a mass. And to be a person you need to know a lot, understand and be able to more. To manage a team you need to know to understand and be able to even more. To become part of the crowd, just abandoning your own
                        individuality, and to lead this crowd you need a loud voice and a little luck. It is the crowd, due to its primitiveness and susceptibility to influence, that flows from one extreme to another in the type of "white-red", "Stalin-Hitler".
                        I have nothing against the collective, on the contrary, I support in every way, I myself had to stand in the ranks more than once. Therefore, I develop a sense of collectivism, including in my children, and try to educate them with free and independent personalities, because only a person can be a member of a collective. But the crowd, I repent, I do not like. Despise.
                    2. EvgNik
                      EvgNik 28 November 2017 16: 04 New
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                      Quote: Luga
                      But like you, convinced communists

                      Convinced not repainted, remained so until now. You do not understand this.
                      Quote: Luga
                      And how much information was hidden

                      Now there is one truth on the box. I even prefer to find out about the weather from friends scattered throughout the former Union. Well, you don’t understand this, you have your own brains.
                      1. Luga
                        Luga 28 November 2017 16: 23 New
                        +6
                        Quote: EvgNik
                        Convinced not repainted, remained so until now. You do not understand this.

                        What I really don’t understand is where were those convinced when the country was merged? The rest is all clear.
                        Quote: EvgNik
                        you have your own brains.

                        What and you want. hi
                    3. avva2012
                      avva2012 28 November 2017 16: 41 New
                      +7
                      “What I really don’t understand is where were those convinced when the country was merged?”
                      Killing argument, damn it. The record would have been changed, otherwise it’s hackneyed. Or, is it from the quote pad of the anti-adviser from which it is impossible to deviate?
                      1. Luga
                        Luga 28 November 2017 19: 32 New
                        +3
                        Quote: avva2012
                        The record would have been changed, otherwise it’s hackneyed.

                        Well, no one answers the question, but I wonder ... Why did the people come out in August of 91 to support Yeltsin, and not Yanayev? Why,
                        upon learning of the Belovezhsky collusion no one went to the barricades? Why did the “progressive-minded public”, having seen my keychain with the emblem of the USSR (I myself made it from a birch die and a molded button), make faces? And now, aren’t they teaching me to love the Motherland here at VO?
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Or, is it from the quote pad of the anti-adviser from which it is impossible to deviate?

                        The question "Who asked ... the USSR fell?" is now recorded in the quote pad of the anti-adviser? Funny, I didn’t.
                      2. verner1967
                        verner1967 28 November 2017 22: 09 New
                        +2
                        Quote: avva2012
                        Killing argument, damn it. The record would have been changed, otherwise it’s hackneyed. Or, is it from the quote pad of the anti-adviser from which it is impossible to deviate?

                        well, there’s still no answer))) a quote from the adherents of communism does not say anything about this either
                    4. avva2012
                      avva2012 29 November 2017 05: 14 New
                      +2
                      Those who thought differently from how everyone was and are the engine of progress, they figured out how to use fire, how to make a bow and wheel, and they also invented everything else.

                      Not bad, you straightened your pedigree.
                      Inequality has been at all times. The children of the rich and successful lived better than the children of the poor and unlucky, so they survived more often, despite their personal virtues or their absence.

                      The difference in time zones is wide, my native country is ...., so I answer now. Inequality was always there, a poor person could have a genius and seven in general in shops, and a rich person suddenly has a mentally retarded or, in general, the womb is empty. Not fair. Some people are prone to one area of ​​activity, others to another, and others, in general, are not capable of anything. People are different in nature from birth. But the property qualification, as biological diversity shows? And, what does he confirm, this qualification, that those who are richer, they are smarter, more honest, more noble? It’s ridiculous. He confirms, in the end, that parasites, this is a class, are quite well adapted to the ecosystem.
                      Build and crowd. The team and the herd. Feel the difference?

                      I feel. I understand, even without a veterinary education, that a "herd" is a term that does not apply to people. The crowd is different from the system, only organization, structured, in other words. So, as far as I understand, you are not against the system, you only want to lead it, and the socio-political formation does not bother you. So, your attitude towards people is clear, in general.
                      But the crowd, I repent, I do not like. Despise.

                      Ah, then laughing Do you think, with a different feeling, it is easy to solve the Jewish or Slavic issue?
                      1. Luga
                        Luga 29 November 2017 12: 14 New
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                        Quote: avva2012
                        He confirms, in the end, that parasites, this is a class, are quite well adapted to the ecosystem.

                        Confirms with "the origin of the family, private property and the state" (greetings to the old Engels wink ) property inequality appeared, increasing with each generation. And this process is objective and irreversible, and attempts to “take and share” always turned into a turmoil.
                        Quote: avva2012
                        So, as far as I understand, you are not against the system, you only want to lead it, and the socio-political formation does not bother you.

                        And here is the mistake. What I don’t want is to lead. The responsibility is too big, and the commander of me is so-so. I have the impression that you are reading somehow in a special way, you make so absurd and incorrect conclusions from my words. Yes, and in terms of theory and history of state and law, you have obvious gaps.
                        I think that we, unfortunately, will not find a common language in which they could debate.
                        Returning to the original topic of discussion - about the USSR and the lies that flourished in it, I can only say that the Motherland needs to be loved as it is, and not try to prove to yourself and others that visible flaws are its virtues, and there are no flaws at all.
                        The Soviet Union was a great country, but fell apart because it was mired in lies and the number of people who were tired of this lie exceeded the critical mass.
                    5. avva2012
                      avva2012 29 November 2017 12: 34 New
                      +2
                      "I think that we, unfortunately, will not find a common language in which they could debate."
                      It was clear from the start. Well, and so, you, famously Engels tied. In fact, he wrote about how property stratification began and why such an institution as a family was formed. Well, what to do with property inequality and with the parasitic class among the classics of Marxism-Leninism is further described. Missed, it happens.
                      Like, they didn’t understand anything about the rest.
                      1. avva2012
                        avva2012 29 November 2017 12: 47 New
                        +3
                        ps You have a funny interpretation of the thoughts of a famous figure, "Live not by lies."
                2. Mu Dialer
                  Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 17: 28 New
                  +4
                  Luga, thanks.
                  I meant that the participants in the Second World War, from private to Zhukogo, wrote their memoirs under self-censorship and censorship.
                  Hence the silence and the lie.
                  Surprised by my critics, what's the point of denying the obvious? Well, if they only have bad memory.
                3. avva2012
                  avva2012 29 November 2017 05: 24 New
                  +3
                  And now, aren’t they teaching me to love the Motherland here at VO?

                  Yes, nobody teaches you anything. You are simply determined, just for every fireman, personally for your own interest. Immediately, you won’t understand, and that patriot, and this one, and as you know, only in gray there are many shades, and in this question the answer should be very clear.
                4. Alexander Golubev
                  Alexander Golubev 6 December 2017 18: 17 New
                  +1
                  You see, you see the truth in the USA, Europe. who lie without a twinge of conscience. Not everything can be informed so that you know, because the layman, in his meager stupidity, will distort it, put it on its head and add its own in addition. They believed Boriska with accomplices, they ruined the country and became impoverished. The power of the capitalists, at the given moment in United Russia, calls to support it for a brighter future - believe and support until you find yourself without pants!
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 28 November 2017 11: 25 New
                +4
                I don’t see a person.
                “I also see small transparent creatures that look like people. They don’t see us. I think they live in a parallel world in which everything is external like ours: shops, clothes, food, etc.,” from the Internet laughing
            2. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 28 November 2017 13: 58 New
              +6
              Quote: Mu Dialer
              In addition to trying to be naughty nothing more to say?

              It’s you who are rude with your “comments” to the USE victim to those who lived in that country and can compare where and when it was better!
              1. Mu Dialer
                Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 17: 39 New
                +3
                My dear, I not only lived under the Soviets, but even served in the Soviet army (greetings to the Chirchik helicopter regiment), so I don’t need to rub here, I have a good memory.
                And yes, I’m not rude to anyone here, but to me yes, they are rude - apparently you were poorly educated, alas and ah!
                1. Sotskiy
                  Sotskiy 28 November 2017 18: 09 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Mu Diazwon
                  And yes, I’m not rude to anyone here, but to me yes, they are rude - apparently you were poorly educated, alas and ah!

                  And how do you want?
                  This is the trend of the current "free", without censorship, the very one about which you say "now is better", "not ideology") Our "official" intelligentsia to help).
                  Therefore, I agree with you in something, namely: "Alas and ah!" This is exactly what all these "democratic reforms" have led to.
                  Rudeness is determined not only by direct insults or gross abuse. Rudeness can also be expressed in condemning one side, modestly "hiding" about the "exploits" of the other, already insulting the supporters of the opposite side with its "censorship". So we are even.
                  If we compare the "flaws" of the ruling class of the past and the current system, then they differ only in the hypertrophied "Wishlist" of the "current" leaders, in contrast to the previous ones. And if so, then the point was to change the system, breaking the country and the fate of people through the knee? To eat more from the belly, robbing your own people legally, through the "laws"? Or the current "social benefits" for the common population have grown immeasurably unlike the USSR?)
                  1. Mu Dialer
                    Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 18: 41 New
                    +2
                    Too many buffoffs! :-)
                    And I'm already drunk, I'm a quiet alcoholic, alas! drinks
        4. segamegament
          segamegament 28 November 2017 12: 03 New
          +5
          , did your friend from Urengoy tell you this?
        5. sibiryouk
          sibiryouk 28 November 2017 16: 13 New
          +5
          And now LIES has become even more especially in print, on television and radio! Moreover, both officials and scientists, and especially politicians (for example, Zhirinovsky, Yavlinsky, Zyuganov, etc.) are lying brazenly.
        6. not main
          not main 28 November 2017 22: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Mu Dialer
          Now, on the contrary, it’s better. During the Soviets there was too much silence, lies and hypocrisy.

          That really is! Read the avatar. And deleted comments.
      2. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 28 November 2017 11: 42 New
        +7
        Honestly, I studied at zero in school, but even then the program did not have all of this. And there were no stands, there was nothing. And at the university on the course of history all this is not included. More than half of these names have never even been heard, to my shame.
      3. azkolt
        azkolt 2 December 2017 22: 00 New
        0
        And in the Soviet state, you, always aching, read about the feat of the nurse Rimma Ivanova during the PMV? Or were they already not ours? Or is this feat less than that of Guli Koroleva? I just in our time learned about this feat and many others in different historical times! So the values ​​are false only for the one who is false! They divided the Russian people into before and after, and were going to erase historical memory from it by making a Soviet-born mankurt! And just do not say that it was not!
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 3 December 2017 06: 49 New
          0
          Quote: azkolt
          And in the Soviet state, you, always aching, read about the feat of the nurse Rimma Ivanova during the PMV? Or were they already not ours?

          Why are you so enraged? Yes, much was hushed up, but much was simply lost in time. And thank God that there is a post about the exploit of Rimma Ivanova in today's issue of VO. https://topwar.ru/130996-stavropolskaya-deva.html
          The conversation was that after 1991 there was a lack of ideology and idolatry before the West. Read article 13 of the Constitution of Russia, and how it works.

          Article 13. In the Russian Federation, the ideological ...
          [Constitution of the Russian Federation] [Chapter 1] [Article 13]

          1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.

          2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.

          3. The Russian Federation recognizes political diversity, multi-party system.

          4. Public associations are equal before the law.

          5. It is forbidden to create and operate public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at forcibly changing the foundations of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed groups, inciting social, racial, national and religious hatred.
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 28 November 2017 07: 17 New
      18
      If memory serves, the author of this book was her mother? It is very interesting now to read what they thought and dreamed about (in childhood, when you read, you don’t pay attention to everything). A completely different generation, who lived and were brought up under the Soviet regime, then, in the 20-30 years. After all, they were those “new people” who should have developed the country further. But they, practically, did not remain on this earth to 45. Low bow.
      1. elenagromova
        28 November 2017 10: 36 New
        10
        No, mom was not the author of the book. The author was the sister of the famous poet S.Marshak, who wrote it under the pseudonym Elena Ilyina
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 28 November 2017 10: 42 New
          +6
          Thank you, memory, memory. love
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 November 2017 13: 57 New
        12
        Quote: avva2012
        A completely different generation, who lived and were brought up under the Soviet regime, then, in the 20-30s. After all, they were those "new people" who should have developed the country further. But they, practically, did not remain on this earth by the 45th. Low bow.

        I agree with you for 1000+
        During the war years, a whole generation of future Communist Builders left us. That is how they were not enough for us to develop the USSR ...
        It is interesting that millions of these young men and women think about what is happening now, looking at us from heaven?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 28 November 2017 15: 15 New
          +9
          Think something, dear, that is prohibited by the rules of the site.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 28 November 2017 18: 00 New
            +7
            Many thanks to Elena for the story about Gula Koroleva.
            I remember this book well, I read it at the age of 10 when I was visiting Aleksin in the summer. That her first word was "" herself ", she was independent, courageous, decisive from her childhood. She could continue to be a nurse, but when she found out that a German pilot shot small, nursery children in Anapa, she insisted on transferring to beat the fascists.
        2. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 18: 04 New
          +3
          Instead of communism in the 80th, they gave the Olympics :-)
  3. XII Legion
    XII Legion 28 November 2017 07: 05 New
    30
    These were the representatives of the "golden youth" (the director’s daughter, actress) - they fought (and how) for their homeland.
    Indicative feat.
    It is necessary not only to know about today's youth about him, but also to learn from this example.
    Thank you!
    1. verner1967
      verner1967 28 November 2017 22: 16 New
      0
      Quote: XII Legion
      These were the representatives of the "golden youth"

      You see, the "golden youth" are not only children of famous parents, but children who take advantage of the merits of their famous parents. Gulya was not "golden youth", otherwise we would not read books about her.
  4. raw174
    raw174 28 November 2017 07: 28 New
    18
    Haven't heard of her before ... Thanks!
    Yes, now very few such stories are widely published ... Only a film about Panfilov’s is remembered, not bad; cartoon about Kolobanov (I liked it very much), there are a few documentaries ... I didn’t like the movie “Battle for Sevastopol”, where the heroine and the real hero were exposed as a lady of facilitated behavior ... Stalingrad is some kind of bullshit shot earlier, “Bastards” - generally anti-Russian ...
    Today, it is the cinema that needs to be made patriotic, this is the most mass means.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 28 November 2017 08: 11 New
      +9
      Raw, about the cinema, I have a request: the name of the cartoon (I’ll look for youtube). In my opinion, “Bastards” is not an anti-Russian film, but rather a “cinematic miscarriage”: the creators wanted to shake with talent, but there really wasn’t any talent. What to do: talent is in short supply and you won’t get it at the institutes of cinematography or at the store.
      Why were the films of the sixties and early seventies so good? They were shot by TALENTS, and it is equally important that the creators themselves were participants in the Second World War or witnesses. Therefore, such films as: “Cranes are flying”, “Liberation”, “Only old people go into battle” or “They fought for their Motherland” are so BEAUTIFUL.
      1. raw174
        raw174 28 November 2017 09: 48 New
        +8
        Quote: Monarchist
        , I have a request: the name of the cartoon (I'll look for youtube).

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfCisV9HpAA
        Animated film-reconstruction: "Kolobanov. Fight near the Troops"
        The graphics are not Disney, but the atmosphere and essence are well conveyed.
        Quote: Monarchist
        but rather a "cinematic miscarriage"

        You could say that. Maybe the creators wanted to show heroic youths, but it turned out that the bloody regime sends to the slaughter of children already offended by the system ... Sneaky movie.
        Quote: Monarchist
        "Liberation"

        My favorite movie, I watched it a hundred times, as well as "Officers", from time to time I review ...
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 28 November 2017 10: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: Monarchist In my opinion, “Bastards” is not an anti-Russian film, but rather a “cinematic miscarriage”: the creators wanted to shake with talent, but there really wasn’t any talent.

        That is, you want to say that if he would be shot with talent with an excellent director, for example Spielberg, then THIS would be nothing? The theme itself (right through and through) raised there, didn’t confuse you, only the quality failed?
    2. Victor Red
      Victor Red 28 November 2017 16: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: raw174
      I didn’t like the movie “Battle for Sevastopol”, where the heroine and the real hero were exposed as a lady of facilitated behavior ...

      In the film, the Americans even combed the image of Lyudmila Pavlichenko somewhat, in my opinion completely in vain. Real Pavlichenko, at 41, turned 25 years old, she was married (Belova’s maiden name), settled down, had a nine-year-old son. Lieutenant Kitsenko, with whom she had her first true love in the film, became her second husband, died three months after the wedding, blocking Lyudmila from fragments of mines.
      You see how much in common between Pavlichenko and Koroleva, both mothers, both voluntarily went to the front and this is no exception, there were thousands of such stories.
      Regarding the "Bastards", the same story, why produce entities when there are many real images.
      1. raw174
        raw174 29 November 2017 06: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: Victor Red
        why produce entities when there are many real images.

        The point is not in full compliance with real characters and events, but in the effect that the film has. The audience should leave the cinema with pride in their ancestor, who protected him from fascism, and the warrior who defends him today (if we are talking about war cinema). The war is full of meanness and nuances, which the average man does not need to know about. Call it propaganda, call it foolishness, at least as you can call it, and I will call it a good patriotic movie. The same Soviet films that have become classics are also not 100% detailed, they show the positive, underestimating the shortcomings, generally drawing a realistic image charged with positive.
        Of our latest films, “Legend 17”, “Icebreaker” are not bad, I watched them at the cinema and left the hall with a sense of pride for our people, for our country. Of our militants, namely militants - shooters, I liked "22 minutes" - an easy film, where Russian soldiers are exhibited in good light. Everything is better than our “Commandos” - “D-Day” or our adaptation of “Rambo”))) “Crimea” - the idea is good, the actors' game is quite good, but the plot is somehow messy, spasmodic, which completely spoils the impression ... Good the film, in the manner of Hollywood, which does not carry a semantic load - “Attraction”, where an alien ship was shot down from the Admiral Kuznetsov’s air wing))) and the full G ... with a capital “Defenders”.
        Something like this I see our cinema today ...
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 28 November 2017 07: 41 New
    18
    Kolya from Urengoy, for the Germans killed by Gulya, apologized to the Bundestag ... "Fourth Height" .. a great book, they’re not reprinted .. But the one who forgot the past has no future ... GDP said our ideology patriotism .. what ?. .There we remember, we don’t remember here, there is a greasy stain, the fish was wrapped ....
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 28 November 2017 07: 51 New
      11
      And we have different patriotism. They have where their money is.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 28 November 2017 07: 56 New
        13
        That's for sure ... Salvage won the good ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 28 November 2017 09: 32 New
          +9
          Quote: parusnik
          That's for sure ... Salvage won the good ...

          They would turn into King Midas, so that they could neither drink nor eat, so that everything they touch, in their bodies turn into green paper, like that of King Midas into gold.
          “Meanwhile, Midas poured himself milk and was pleased to note that the jug immediately turned gold as soon as he touched it.” By the way, Midas thought, you should consider where now I will have to store my gold utensils. After all, very soon everything around me will turn golden ... "Thinking in this way, he put a cup to his mouth and sipped milk. Suddenly his eyes widened in surprise. He felt how it froze with an ingot of metal.

          - That's the thing! - exclaimed Midas discouraged.

          - What, father? - asked the daughter. Tears had not yet dried in her eyes.

          “Nothing, child, nothing,” Midas answered.

          He took a small fried crucian from a dish, and put it on his plate. The fish smelled wonderful, and hungry Midas even swallowed saliva. He took the crucian carp by the tail and stopped in horror. The fish became gold at once; it became heavier in the hands. Only the most skilled jeweler could make such a fish out of gold. There was no such fish. But she was inedible ... And Midas wanted to eat, not to admire the fish. "

          Source: http://skazanie.info/midas
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 28 November 2017 13: 41 New
            +8
            Once they said, they say that a bright future will come for all we need gold from all of them .. It seems that it has come, but only for a separate category .. And for the bulk of the cesspools .. you want to eat, you want .. in short, you want to do it ..free choice .. democracy is called ....
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 28 November 2017 18: 18 New
              +6
              Quote: parusnik
              Once they said, they say a bright future will come ....
              There were publications about opening capsules ---- letters to posterity. In connection with these, I began to recall old socialist books .... where did they go? Mom says, because they repeatedly moved and sold the entire library more than once. But recently I found one “Light on the Volcano” by Vladimir Fainberg. 1972. There --- about the trip of the former inmate of the orphanage to Kamchatka and the Kuril Islands ... And the dreams of the young of that time! Students, geologists, sailors ..... Dreams are different, about the distant future and confidence in the near future the communist future ....... Probably, after 1967 the enemies of the USSR became more active.
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 28 November 2017 14: 09 New
          +7
          Quote: parusnik
          That's for sure ... Salvage won the good ...

          Chicherina has a great song on this subject.
          "Smells of food and goods ranks
          I would surely have been brought to trouble
          I forgot where and where I was going
          It looked like happiness and seemed to find
          But the sheep in the slaughterhouse revealed a secret
          They told me that there are no pockets in the coffin
          The maze collapsed, the doors of salvation opened
          God dough disappeared in an instant! "
  6. igordok
    igordok 28 November 2017 07: 55 New
    23
    Wounded, the medical instructor of the 214 Rifle Division, Gulya Koroleva, fought heroically. Bursting into a fascist trench, destroyed the Nazis with grenades 15. Together with a handful of fighters held until reinforcements arrived. Unfortunately, the next day, November 24, she passed away from her wounds.

    Similar, not a single.

    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 28 November 2017 08: 25 New
      15
      Oh, my ... Wow! And why aren't films made about this? THERE IS THE REAL SCENARIO FOR A GORGEOUS MOVIE! Why invent any indecency?
      1. igordok
        igordok 28 November 2017 08: 41 New
        12
        Quote: Vasya Vassin
        And why aren’t films made about this?

        Only documentary.

        Still.
        Senior sergeant M.K. Baida went behind enemy lines, obtained “languages”, delivered information about the enemy to the command. According to the memoirs of M.K. Baida, in one of the episodes, she captured the German corporal, and she had to drag him on her. In addition to his large physique, he resisted in every way along the road, even though his hands were tied. As a result of the hitch, the reconnaissance group was delayed and came under fire: one scout was killed and the other was wounded. For violation of discipline, M.K. Baida was punished with three days of guardhouse, however, she was not able to serve her sentence completely. Two hours later, she was called to headquarters to interrogate a prisoner who refused to answer questions. After he recognized Maria, who captured him, he became very excited and eventually became more talkative. For the "language", which provided valuable information about the enemy defense system, the commander thanked the entire reconnaissance group
        12 July 1942 year, the seriously wounded Mary was captured by the Germans. Bravely endured the whole hell of the fascist concentration camps Slavuta and Ravensbrück. It was released by the Americans in May 1945.
        I returned to Crimea in the 1946 year. Since 1948, she has constantly resided in Sevastopol. From 1961 to 1989, she headed the central Sevastopol city registry office.
      2. raw174
        raw174 28 November 2017 09: 59 New
        13
        Yes, because, as Comrade said above. Monarchist, talent is not enough to make a good movie based on real events. It seems they will take it, but it will turn out either an action movie with a mass of corpses and a slurred plot or love love ... It doesn’t turn out to be atmospheric cinema, everything’s kind of rude, blunder on blunder, in modern cinema it’s apparently not customary to use the services of military consultants ... "Purgatory", it’s clear that they filmed in order to defame the Russian army, but even in the picture itself there were terribly many mistakes that were noticeable even to those who had not been in the army for days ...
        1. Luga
          Luga 28 November 2017 10: 39 New
          +3
          Quote: raw174
          Yes, because, as Comrade said above. Monarchist, talent is not enough to make a good movie based on real events. It seems they will take it, but it will turn out either an action movie with a mass of corpses and a slurred plot or love love ... It doesn’t turn out to be an atmospheric movie, everything is kind of rude, blunder on a blunder;

          The exception is "28 Panfilov". If you didn’t look, I highly recommend it.
          1. raw174
            raw174 28 November 2017 10: 46 New
            +7
            Quote: Luga
            The exception is "28 Panfilov". If you didn’t look, I highly recommend it.

            I already said in a post above: "Only a film about Panfilov’s is remembered, not bad; cartoon about Kolobanov (I really liked it), there are a few documentaries ..."
            So I looked, I liked it. I regret that I didn’t get to the cinema, I watched at home.
            1. Luga
              Luga 28 November 2017 12: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: raw174
              I said in a post above: "Only a film about Panfilov’s is remembered, not bad

              Yes, I’m sorry, I read the comments fluently, didn’t note ... But in general I agree with you - it’s unfortunate that there aren’t many good films about the war, either stupid action movies or love carrots (where are there so many sexy aunts in the war in the trenches?), And more often both in one bottle. The viewer requires, however ... request
              1. Mu Dialer
                Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 17: 49 New
                0
                Does it require?
                Well, I don’t know ... I almost do not watch, because, as you indicated, the films are mostly bad. I agree with you.
          2. Okolotochny
            Okolotochny 28 November 2017 23: 31 New
            +5
            By the way, in Panfilovtsy, as I understand it, the actors weren’t filming because of money, they collected money all over the country. And, in principle, apart from Ustyugov (beautiful Shilov), stars are not there.
  7. rudolff
    rudolff 28 November 2017 12: 27 New
    11
    "Fourth Height" in childhood was one of my favorite books. I don’t even remember how many times I read it again. And still do not understand why. Why exactly the “Fourth Height” and Gulya Korolev made such an impression. It's not even the feat itself. Life itself. From height to height.
    Thunderous thanks for making me remember.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 28 November 2017 18: 32 New
      +3
      Same. A book that evokes empathy. Now, from the point of view of life experience and profession, I can say that in Soviet times it was necessary not to spare money and publish it in a good translation in the West. However, it’s not too late today ... Let them read ... It will be useful. Reissue today in the Russian Federation. Again, make a good film, to make a good director, and be sure to scroll in the West. But in order to preserve the spirit of the book, and without bed scenes ...
      1. Ragoz
        Ragoz 28 November 2017 22: 13 New
        0
        CALIBER:
        In 1974, the film “The Fourth Height” was shot based on the book - look for the “Zone” torrent.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 29 November 2017 07: 57 New
          0
          Thank! I’ll definitely look. But it’s amazing why I didn’t see him? Then all the films were watched ...
  8. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 28 November 2017 12: 31 New
    +6
    Today I am far from school. His already learned. Tell me, was there a reaction in schools to Kolya’s performance from Urengoy? And what assessments did the teacher give to what happened? Or a circular from the Ministry of Education did not arrive? Who knows, write.
    1. raw174
      raw174 28 November 2017 14: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Today I am far from school. His already learned. Tell me, was there a reaction in schools to Kolya’s performance from Urengoy?

      I’m close enough to the school, there are friends, teachers, I asked on this topic, there is silence in schools (in our village there are 4 small schools). Those. no classroom hours or anything else on the subject ...
      Quote: vladimirvn
      And what assessments did the teacher give to what happened?

      My friend is just a historian, asked him his opinion, he said that there was nothing surprising, they clamped the story at school to the point that several lessons were necessary for the Second World War ... Although each teacher considers his or her subject underestimated.
      PS: Chelyabinsk region, village.
  9. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 28 November 2017 13: 32 New
    +9
    In another letter, she told with pain how she was bandaging a wounded six-month-old child whose mother was killed: “I am bandaging him, and he looks at me with such big, pained eyes and does not cry, but only sighs heavily. I’m bandaging it, and at the very tears pouring hail. ”

    At Kolenka’s from Novy Urengoy, tears pour over the “innocently” ruined life of a ghoul from the Wehrmacht, who were destroyed including those like Gulya Koroleva. There is no ideology in our country, but the heroes in "our" new ideology, which we are persistently "fed", have changed places?
    Can someone explain, do we even live in Russia now?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 28 November 2017 13: 43 New
      +9
      Can someone explain, do we even live in Russia?
      .... On the "Golden Island" of engineer Garin .. For some, one for others ....
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 28 November 2017 18: 38 New
        +4
        Quote: parusnik
        .... On the "Golden Island" engineer Garin ......
        This is where the gymnasium of that little circle is located, where, under the guidance of domestic mentors, they study the biographies of innocent fascists. But for something, Kolen’s and his mentors did not study the content of Soviet prisoners of war in Germany, the percentage of those who returned, the medical assistance provided here and there. Somehow, the little knee and his mentors did not think that such a number of prisoners needed to be fed, but where will the products come from? There were no supermarkets yet, as now, they probably don’t understand this from the word at all. And how many history books a guy --- showed in the plot, because history, his favorite subject !!!!
        1. parusnik
          parusnik 28 November 2017 18: 44 New
          +3
          On the "Golden Island" gymnasium were not provided ...
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 28 November 2017 18: 57 New
            +3
            Quote: parusnik
            On the "Golden Island" gymnasium were not provided ...

            How so? Those who were dreaming about the post of president of our country studied there. Or are you, Aleksey, hinting that this is eaton, not a gymnasium? Or what else, unknown to me, but cool institution?
            1. parusnik
              parusnik 28 November 2017 19: 13 New
              +4
              No, Dmitry .. I am hinting that you need to re-read the engineer Garin’s hyperboloid .. It’s better not to watch them, two .. One is serial and three-series .. Both are good, but the first is truncated, and the second is more motivated ... The philosophy of engineer Garin is today in Russia, unfortunately .. well, and the state system, of course .. The much depicted in the novel, today reminds ...
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 28 November 2017 19: 25 New
                +3
                Thank you Alexey! Be sure to re-read. Unfortunately, this is an overhead of early reading. I missed some subtleties. I was shocked how he slid the earth through ...
                1. parusnik
                  parusnik 28 November 2017 20: 19 New
                  +3
                  Pay special attention to how the working islands live, this is not a big fragment, but for today it is very relevant ... A. Tolstoy for adventure, said a lot about the right thing ....
                  1. kalibr
                    kalibr 29 November 2017 08: 00 New
                    +1
                    By the way, the book is full of excellent examples of explicit and implicit PR! And the description of Rolling’s office is a cult example of PR specialists, as well as the yellow pants of the Golden Island guards.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 29 November 2017 09: 42 New
                      +1
                      Good morning, Vyacheslav! And about the “Union of Five”, what do you say? Although the volume is much smaller.
                      What do you think about that elite gymnasium? I read the link that the FULL performance of the guy appeared immediately on the gymnasium website, and then quickly disappeared ????????????????
  10. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 18: 53 New
    +1
    I do not want to offend anyone, but ...
    Take out 50 wounded during the battle ???
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 28 November 2017 18: 57 New
      +1
      For one at least 30 minutes (in battle).
      At ten-five o’clock ...
      At 50 t 25 hours ...
      Lies?
      1. Okolotochny
        Okolotochny 28 November 2017 23: 34 New
        +8
        My grandfather “For Courage” received in the battles for Berlin - he took out 8 seriously wounded from the battlefield. Everything can be. In extreme situations, the body can present this.
      2. al.schenaev
        al.schenaev 29 November 2017 00: 06 New
        +4
        I don’t remember where I read, I won’t lie: the nurse during the bombing took out 150 wounded (or brought out, there is a difference) on the last fragment of the bomb she cut her head .....
      3. Soho
        Soho 29 November 2017 06: 52 New
        +4
        Mu Dialer Yesterday, 18:57
        For one at least 30 minutes (in battle).
        At ten-five o’clock ...
        At 50 t 25 hours ...
        Lies?

        Perhaps you are comparing the combined arms battle with a fight at a village wedding - did you get out, fill your faces in 5 minutes and back to the table?
        the battle that I saw with my own eyes lasted 4-5 hours. And only 25 fighters from our side took part in it, and about a hundred from the enemy’s side. And what about the Second World War, where the number of combatants could reach several thousand on a small heel the size of a couple of square kilometers ....
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 13: 47 New
          0
          So what? Not understood.
  11. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 29 November 2017 09: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: Mu Dialer
    My dear!
    Sorry, this is you to whom ??? HA HA HA !!!!!
    1. Mu Dialer
      Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 13: 48 New
      0
      Dear! (also good) :-)
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 29 November 2017 14: 12 New
        +1
        Wrong place .. Here there are none. Chucked !!!!!
        1. Mu Dialer
          Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 14: 50 New
          0
          What kind of "such"?
          Regular treatment, respectful ...
          What did you mean, dear? :-)
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 29 November 2017 15: 01 New
            0
            "Respected"!
            This appeal by the cops sounds like a threat :-)
  12. Altona
    Altona 30 November 2017 11: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: Amurets
    This Soviet Union was engaged in the upbringing of the younger generation in the spirit of patriotism and love for their homeland.

    --------------------------------------------
    By the way, in the late USSR of the 1980s, books about pioneer heroes were often already old editions, the mid-1970s, and even earlier. I remember that about Marat Kazey and about pioneer partisans, the book was in canvas bindings, a rather old edition. In general, there was an integral system of patriotic education. True, in order to “friendship of peoples” the enemies were usually depersonalized or represented only by Germans.
    This probably was the reason for the hypocrisy of Suslov regarding the history of our country and the Great Patriotic War. Old Brezhnev, as a front-line soldier, well covered for this shaky rotten construction of "developed socialism" in which the cancerous metastases of young Russian capitalism began to actively develop. After all, the slogan about "convergence with the West" was actively introduced by Andropov.
  13. Dmitry_superenot
    Dmitry_superenot 30 November 2017 16: 44 New
    +3
    The obelisk at the site of the last battle of Guli Koroleva.

  14. Radikal
    Radikal 30 November 2017 23: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: Luga
    Do you prefer to go in formation, think as ordered, and are ready to let someone decide for you what you can know and what you can't? Me not. And already in his 15-17 years he thought with his own head, and did not listen meekly to what they poured into me. And he disagreed with many postulates hammered into my brains about, for example, that whites were all bad and red were good. And it was this independence in thinking that also allowed me not to believe five years later, when "glasnost" came and everything turned by 180 degrees into the fact that all the reds, on the contrary, are sadists and maniacs, and the whites are the salt of the Russian land. But like you, convinced communists, in those same years instantly repainted, turning into democrats, and now they are also hastily changing their shoes from liberals to patriots. And tomorrow they will repaint again from patriots to ... I don’t know who.
    If you lived in those days and still do not understand what and how they deceived you, you can only regret it. This means that you can deceive you indefinitely.
    And the last. If you have decided to use your head exclusively as an organ of perception of other people's teams, then do not bother others to use it for what it is intended by nature - for the thought process.

    In fact, the ability to perceive commands is not the worst, especially if they are correct. wink You seem to be one of those voluntarists - anarchists who, by themselves, and ... didn’t seem to have served in the army. wassat
  15. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 December 2017 06: 56 New
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    Luga,
    Once again, I was convinced that I had nothing to do at VO. The provocateurs were left, all other comments that were written to him were deleted. Freedom of speech and opinion.
    1. elenagromova
      5 December 2017 10: 13 New
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      Do not make such conclusions. After all, there are a lot of correct articles on BO. Including - mine)
  16. Bolo
    Bolo 6 December 2017 12: 28 New
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    favorite book of my childhood!