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Russia: return to the top of the world

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Russia: return to the top of the world



The world leaders have always been "country gas stations." Britain, the USA, the USSR — they were all powerful not “iPhones” and not “tablets”, but coal, oil and gas. Nothing has changed in this world today.

Yes, nobody argues, we need both machines, iPhones, and tablets, but, like 30, and 100, and 200 years ago, energy remains the basis of the economic power of any state claiming to be the leader.

How did civilization develop

We all studied history civilization in school. Polis, empires, kings and emperors merged into a single stream of names and dates, behind which stands one parameter that defines the essence of human development. Energy. Yes exactly. As long as only very primitive sources of it (muscular strength, windmills, water mills, firewood, etc.) were subject to man, society developed very slowly. But then…



The largest breakthrough was made possible with the beginning of the use of coal. The energy density of the new fuel was three times higher than wood. In addition, for England, which by that time had lost most of the forest, the transition to a new type of fossil fuel was just a salvation and heavenly manna.

Cardiff coal made England great. In the second half of the XIX century, more than half of the world's coal was mined in Britain. And so it was until a new universal fuel — oil — was discovered.



She became the next achievement of civilization. The energy density of oil was one and a half times higher than coal and, moreover, it was very convenient to store and transport it. And there was a lot of it. And the country, which was able to organize its prey before everyone else, has become a new world hegemon. Yes, it was oil and Rockefeller that made the USA a superpower. And while this status quo persisted, no one could encroach on her place in the world.

Until the Stalinist breakthrough occurred in the USSR, and literally in a matter of decades, there was not yet another energy giant born in the world, and therefore a contender for hegemony.

Energy is always politics

And now, when we have dealt with this, it is easy to understand the conflict of the late twentieth century. First you need to remember the period 1970-x, when the continent, recovering from the Second World War, quickly increased its energy consumption. While he was satisfied with the United States and the countries of the Persian Gulf, everything was good for Washington. But everything ends sooner or later. The river began to dry out and the river of cheap and high-quality Texas oil, and the demand for it in Europe grew and grew.



Only supplies from the USSR could satisfy the growing needs of the continent. In fact, Europe had no choice at that time. And this immediately became a big problem for the United States, which, by that time, had turned from a net exporter of hydrocarbons into their net importer.

Is it any wonder that this immediately caused a sharp warming of relations between Western Europe and the USSR? Otherwise it could not be. The economy always rules politics.

Unfortunately, then we lost the bout. The USSR was destroyed, which saved the United States, which at the end of 70's - early 80's were in a severe economic crisis. But today there is a second chance that cannot be missed.

New Russia

All 25 years of independence (Russia from itself) in the country did not weaken the discussion, which way to develop. It was then that the stupidest term “gas station country” was coined. Society tried to instill the idea that "to live at the expense of oil and gas is humiliating and wrong." And a lot of experts said that it is necessary to save up hydrocarbon reserves until better times.

And these experts did not say that the United States and the countries of Europe did not hesitate to build their prosperity on oil (including foreign oil). Nor did they tell that the Russians had to save their resources for others.

If their opinion had prevailed, the country would never have found the resources to get out of the chaos of 90's. This is now obvious, but then the "experts" crushed and almost convinced.

Only the lazy in his kitchen did not talk about the "country of the gas station" and looked contemptuously at the Kremlin, saying that they are all stupid there, they can not understand the obvious things.



And the authorities were able to understand. I was able to understand that there will be no external resources for re-industrialization. You need to rely only on your own strength. And you can get them only by mastering the natural resources and building plants and factories with this money.

The leadership of Russia knew perfectly well that it was not only Stalin, but also the United States and Great Britain, that was the way to go. It knew that without the cheap and high-quality Texas oil from the first and Cardiff coal from the second, we would never have heard of the Anglo-Saxon world. In the same way, if the USSR had no colossal natural resources, it would never have been able to make that enormous leap from a plow into space. It knew that everything in this world is interconnected and natural.

Having no resources, if you are at least three times a super modern country, you will not be not only a superpower, but just an independent territory (the example of Japan is very significant). And if you can rationally dispose of natural resources, then you will have everything. Factories, factories and roads that lead to them, and the houses in which people live, they work.

Today, Russia has already passed the first and most difficult part of the road. Today, it sets the tone for the global energy industry and, as a result, has regained its superpower status. This is the era of re-industrialization. In the country, almost every day new production facilities are launched, from mini-plants to industry giants. Cheap energy attracts investors. As I said above, everything in this world is interconnected and natural. They wouldn’t start rebuilding a “gas station country” in 2000, there wouldn’t be anything in Russia today, and maybe the country itself wouldn’t exist anymore.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 November 2017 07: 04 New
    +5
    Yes, no one argues, we need both cars and iPhones and tablets, but like 30 and 100 and 200 years ago, energy remains the basis of the economic power of any state claiming to be a leader

    ... because the mericatos have been waging war until now, and all because of hydrocarbons, in the sense of owning them ... because whoever owns them, he dances the bride ... bully
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 28 November 2017 14: 19 New
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      Russia is so rich that it allowed crooks to take out half of the annual military-industrial complex over the hill. And now we are so afraid of impending sanctions that we hide a third of the oil industry’s income in small capsules or transfer the United States for their pieces of paper to support their own economy. These are not my "baubles," our Siluanov speaks about this on the state issue. budget for 2018.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 11 December 2017 08: 41 New
        0
        When you already stop whining ... You do not care what happens in the country, you only see what you have taken out or supposedly taken out, because you are not allowed to steal yourself.
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 28 November 2017 16: 29 New
      +7
      And still everyone forgets that oil is not only fuel, but also roads, plastic and even medicines:
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 November 2017 19: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: Samaritan
        And still everyone forgets that oil is not only fuel, but also roads, plastic and even medicines:

        We have plenty of this good, and roads and medicines and plastic. But the main thing is that everything is cheap.
        1. Manul
          Manul 28 November 2017 23: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          We have plenty of this good, and roads and medicines and plastic. But the main thing is that everything is cheap.

          Dear colleague. You are my friend, but I do not agree here. The conversation is not that everything is fine with us, but that it is not a shame to trade resources. And even about "not everything is good." It could be much worse. I understand your rebellion, but there will be no spark from the anger from which the flame ignites. It is still necessary to fully understand everything. In our wonderful USSR, all the time there were upstairs (an obscene word - I’m afraid of the 4th warning), which created an artificial deficit and domination of the party over the human one, which brought people to the point that they wanted changes in any form. Same thing now. Foreign policy is justified. Only in the government, which distributes income for itself, and then for the population, is now rotting even more, which has become the "elite".
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 29 November 2017 00: 03 New
            +1
            Dear Colleague! hi
            Quote: Manul
            but I don’t agree.

            Our differences with you, Dear Friend! They do not underestimate in any way that disastrous policy that we see.
            Quote: Manul
            I understand your rebellion, but there will be no spark from the anger from which the flame ignites.

            Duc, "Spark" and friction are carved, and maybe ice axes, remember how "if you beat your head against the wall, your forehead becomes flint"
            Quote: Manul
            In our wonderful USSR, all the time at the top were

            Not even upstairs, I felt them, they were ... someone didn’t want to study in the Komsomol, didn’t want to join the army, again in the Komsomol, trade union bl .. again the Komsomol. They tried to expel me from the Komsomol three times, even already in the army with the candidate book)))
      2. dSK
        dSK 29 November 2017 04: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: Samaritan
        oil is not only fuel

        Hello Andrey! I completely agree, "about gas station"- this is enemy enemy’s purest water, in order not to sell oil for nothing, it’s necessary to increase its domestic refining at times, reducing the export of crude oil. This is the "arithmetic" of the economy. Each subsequent limit (fuel, plastic, medicines) increases the cost of the final product and employment by at least 50%. I remember when Samotlor was mastered, fountains hit such that a fire was extinguished on one whole year. The Arctic Ocean is not Texas, not the sands of Kuwait, not the Gulf of Mexico, it is many times more expensive. And all the gadgets that electric cars do not need gas - linden. The higher the level of comfort and ecology, the greater the consumption. energy (exponentially) that you need produce. The graph clearly shows what is the increase in consumption. And the cost of oil at $ 30 is pure bluff. hi
        1. dSK
          dSK 29 November 2017 04: 27 New
          +1
          OPEC + Technical Committee spoke for reduced oil production in 2018. According to the forecasts of the committee’s specialists, the situation there will become stable and will return to balance by the third quarter of 2018. - reports the news agency Bloomberg. hi
  2. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 28 November 2017 07: 11 New
    +9
    I personally have always been offended by this term about a gas station country, it’s the same as “rashka”. So people call our country who do not understand a lot, but there are many. Of course, there is no shame in trading oil, gas. And why else when these resources are many? Each era has its own fuel and method of energy production.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 28 November 2017 07: 28 New
      14
      Quote: Tartar 174
      I personally have always been offended by this term about a gas station country,

      sue Obama, this is his "pearl". yes lol
      Quote: Tartar 174
      And why otherwise when these resources are many?

      there are so many of them that they are infinitely growing in price for their own population. Emirates are laughing!
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 28 November 2017 07: 30 New
        +4
        Quote: Dead Day
        there are so many of them that they are infinitely growing in price for their own population. Emirates are laughing!

        Grandfather, this is another question, here I agree with you, because it also worries me very much and is very concerned.
        1. turbris
          turbris 28 November 2017 12: 00 New
          14
          A very narrow-minded person can compare Russia with the Emirates, only the level of oil production is common, and the territory and population do not make any comparisons - this is a vivid reception of populists, do not be fooled by it.
      2. Dr_engie
        Dr_engie 28 November 2017 09: 05 New
        +1
        This "pearl" appeared long before Obama, even at the very beginning of the two thousandths he already was.
        1. seal78
          seal78 28 November 2017 17: 45 New
          0
          So Obama was not born in the early XNUMXs.
    2. Plate
      Plate 28 November 2017 15: 12 New
      +4
      And how can we not add that we are not only trading in oil and gas in the energy market, but also in nuclear fuel and nuclear plant construction services. It's me that we can refuel the world not only with oil and gas ...
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 28 November 2017 19: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Plate
        And how can we not add that we are not only trading in oil and gas in the energy market, but also in nuclear fuel and nuclear plant construction services. It's me that we can refuel the world not only with oil and gas ...

        How can it be that we still sell wood, coal, electricity to the Chinese, as well as semi-finished Al, a chemical element with the atomic number 22, for boins and watermelons, and so we speculate on trifles, then we’ll bring down the rupee in 2,5, then we’ll give the banks some money, then we cash out everything — re-convert it and take a couple of trillions to the cellists to the “islands”.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 28 November 2017 23: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Stroporez
          chemical element with atomic number 22, for bohins and watermelons

          Just this chemical element we do not trade ...
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 November 2017 23: 53 New
            +5
            Quote: KaPToC
            Just this chemical element we do not trade ...

            Russia does not sell titanium? belay
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 28 November 2017 23: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Russia does not sell titanium?

              Russia sells titanium products, and titanium itself does not mine.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 29 November 2017 00: 14 New
                +4
                Quote: KaPToC
                and titanium itself does not mine.

                Well, at least it’s positive. And then the descendants will scold. winked
                1. Plate
                  Plate 29 November 2017 14: 10 New
                  0
                  And what is positive is that we do not have our own titanium production?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 29 November 2017 17: 59 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Plate
                    And what is positive is that we do not have our own titanium production?

                    Descendants will get more. In Russia, titanium is difficult to mine. Mining is a byproduct of apatite.
                    1. Plate
                      Plate 29 November 2017 18: 02 New
                      0
                      I am sure that when our descendants appear, people will already learn to more widely use composite materials. The age of metals is nearing completion.
                  2. KaPToC
                    KaPToC 29 November 2017 20: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: Plate
                    And what is positive is that we do not have our own titanium production?

                    This is just the case when Russia buys raw materials and sells products.
                    1. Plate
                      Plate 30 November 2017 14: 10 New
                      0
                      Wouldn’t it be better, raw materials and sold products from it?
                      1. KaPToC
                        KaPToC 30 November 2017 15: 09 New
                        0
                        Quote: Plate
                        Wouldn’t it be better, raw materials and sold products from it?

                        Which is better and to whom? A moot point.
        2. Plate
          Plate 29 November 2017 14: 06 New
          0
          How can it be that we still sell wood, coal, electricity to the Chinese, as well as semi-finished Al, a chemical element with the atomic number 22, for boins and watermelons, and so we speculate on trifles, then we’ll bring down the rupee in 2,5, then we’ll give the banks some money, then we cash out everything — re-convert it and take a couple of trillions to the cellists to the “islands”.

          You, comrade, have gone somewhere aside even before the middle of your message. We are talking about energy, and not about metallurgy, mining and financial speculation. But wood with coal in the subject.
    3. turbris
      turbris 28 November 2017 15: 20 New
      0
      I agree with you, but it’s necessary to sue not Obama and McCain, but “smart people” who gladly repeat this muck, only those who do not respect their country or purchased “agitators” can do this.
      1. 97110
        97110 28 November 2017 18: 33 New
        +5
        Quote: turbris
        and for "wise men" who gladly repeat this muck, only those who do not respect their country or purchased "agitators" can do this.

        I also bring here fans of the Molotov cocktail. Invented by enemies to set fire to the Soviet tanks! Like a forty-frozen poop, everyone who considers himself a “public person” is hammering: a Molotov cocktail, a cocktail ... Even like war correspondents. Never in my lifetime did the grandfathers-winners hear this dirty trick. There was a Molotov cocktail, a bottle of flammable liquid, a bottle of gasoline, finally. Generations that burned the Panzerwaffe passed away, and it started about cocktails and the best tanks of World War II - of course, this is the Tiger and Sherman. And thirty-four is directly a disgrace to world tank building. There is no review, they are scared because of the diesel fuel, the burrs are not cut, the flake is not cut down, the armor is not polished ... And try to object ... They will hammer with a theoretical club ...
    4. uskrabut
      uskrabut 28 November 2017 16: 28 New
      +8
      Quote: Tartar 174
      I personally have always been offended by this term about a gas station country.

      And it offends me how ineptly and unfairly money is spent on the sale of energy. The presence of energy in the country and selling them to other countries is a blessing! But how much access to this good is available to a very limited circle of people, why does this allow the government to mess around, why are there no benefits to Russian citizens from this good? This really should not even “offend”, but insult and outrage every citizen of Russia.
      1. turbris
        turbris 28 November 2017 17: 24 New
        +1
        Yes, everyone imagines himself to be at least the chairman of the government, and he himself doesn’t even know the budget items for which the funds are spent, “the government is mediocre, unfair, messing around” - a very capacious and important substantive statement, and then .......... stormy and prolonged applause!
      2. 97110
        97110 28 November 2017 18: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: uskrabut
        But how much have a very limited circle of people access to this good,

        Capitalism. Who dared, he ate. And those who know the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation or the Bible well can watch how they carry chacha past their nose and cherry plum past their company. And hope for the President that the salary will be raised. Although with a fright, it is not clear. Cost increases, profits fall. Effective owners (and they are all effective) will be removed from work, if that - and by tradition they will throw a bomb ...
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 28 November 2017 19: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: 97110
          And hope for the President that the salary will be raised.

          He already promised promises today, now he promised for children. He is a must-see show.
          1. 97110
            97110 28 November 2017 19: 23 New
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            He already promised promises today, now he promised for children. He is a must-see show.

            Smart people suggested that even the President should not be prevented from making profit by effective owners. From the budget it is both more efficient and safer. And inflation ruined by targeting will revive. And the rating ... Well done, Vladimir Vladimirovich.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 28 November 2017 19: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: 97110
              And the rating ... Well done, Vladimir Vladimirovich.

              Today, too, I clap my hands all day, worry about ratings.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 November 2017 18: 52 New
        0
        But what we spend money on
    5. Alber
      Alber 28 November 2017 18: 09 New
      +4
      Quote: Tartar 174
      I personally have always been offended by this term about a gas station country, it’s the same as “rashka”. So people call our country who do not understand a lot, but there are many. Of course, there is no shame in trading oil, gas. And why else when these resources are many? Each era has its own fuel and method of energy production.

      If the Russian authorities intentionally destroyed a powerful industry, agricultural, then what kind of "Top of the World" can we talk about?
      1. turbris
        turbris 29 November 2017 11: 46 New
        0
        If you live in this country, then you should consider yourself a citizen of it regardless of everything, and only a frank, stupid person can ban your country with nicknames borrowed abroad. This also applies to Dimon, you may not respect the person, but the position of the Prime Minister of the Russian government is not subject to slang names, you do not respect yourself - this is your personal business.
        1. uskrabut
          uskrabut 6 December 2017 11: 24 New
          0
          a person can’t be called débilám, but you can’t say debilám.
  3. Nix1986
    Nix1986 28 November 2017 07: 11 New
    20
    "In the country, almost every day new production facilities are commissioned, from mini-factories to industry giants." - from this moment in more detail !!!
    1. Ren
      Ren 28 November 2017 07: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: Nix1986
      from now on in more detail !!!

      Please be aware of your health! hi
      https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzQ0mjgA028ALJi8
      3Oi6pDg
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 28 November 2017 08: 48 New
        15
        I have other data:
        http://www.forecast.ru/_ARCHIVE/Analitics/PROM/20
        17 / Bnkrpc-4-16_v3.pdf.
        Sobsno and used to believe what I see myself from Volgograd, so try in a city group to talk about how cool we live:
        https://vk.com/ghest_volgograd.
        And by the way, you can also take an interest in the depreciation of fixed assets, this will give a certain forecast of the situation, at least in agriculture - it is rather big.
        1. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 28 November 2017 09: 09 New
          +7
          Depreciation of fixed assets is terrible even in Gazprom! In the Astrakhan region, at the AGPZ, the locksmiths remain in the evening to work and go on weekends, but the work is not diminishing.
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 28 November 2017 09: 24 New
            15
            With the oil industry in general laughter. Dimon, when he was president, made them a tax break, in the expectation that they would renew their fixed assets. This pursued two goals, to increase the quality of benzene to 4-5 euros and try to sell abroad not just crude oil, but petroleum products. But those just heated profits :))))
            1. Dr_engie
              Dr_engie 28 November 2017 10: 54 New
              10
              Ah, but this is already 10 years as a difficult topic, but no matter what happens - gasoline rises in price, even if oil has fallen in price)
              1. Nix1986
                Nix1986 28 November 2017 11: 00 New
                +7
                An elementary business, if oil becomes cheaper in foreign markets, then profits must be made in the domestic. And exactly the opposite. Only the FAS could help, but she herself is complementary.
          2. turbris
            turbris 28 November 2017 15: 22 New
            0
            Oh my God! He is still broadcasting something about the depreciation of funds, but what happened in the Union?
            1. Romey
              Romey 28 November 2017 17: 41 New
              +4
              And what was in the Union? In the Union, even at the end, in a few months, entire production clusters took off, along with new microdistricts and the corresponding infrastructure. And I, sorry, 3 years ago I bought an apartment in Koenig for my eldest son and am still moved by the pace of building a six-entrance nine-story building! By the way, about the depreciation of funds ... You still don’t know, in most cases in the Russian Federation they are still Soviet? For investing in infrastructure is supposed to be effective only in the case of wide show-offs like the Olympics or the pontopion of the world! Or at worst, to get to the seaside villa with a breeze, as is the case with some very wide-ranging governors named Boos. What for? After all, in the smart books of the HSE prokhessorov it is written, it is better to buy US treasury bonds ...
              1. Dr_engie
                Dr_engie 29 November 2017 11: 24 New
                0
                Want a secret? Not only that, the Soviet ones - at some enterprises in the beginning of the zero we still had equipment exported from Germany, you know, after what events winked
        2. turbris
          turbris 28 November 2017 12: 17 New
          +7
          That's how much I don't read komenty - there is a struggle between optimists and pessimists, and there are much fewer optimists, why? Yes, because to say and prove that "everything is bad" is much easier, given our mentality, people are afraid to frighten off their established well-being and will say that everything is bad, even if this is not entirely true. People react to the same events in different ways, but as for power, it is mostly negative, although few people want to change this very power.
          1. Alber
            Alber 28 November 2017 18: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: turbris
            That's how much I don't read komenty - there is a struggle between optimists and pessimists, and there are much fewer optimists, why? Yes, because to say and prove that "everything is bad" is much easier,

            Is it hard to judge by your pocket? And the neighbors, friends are not visible? If 8 percent live, and 22 live well because they have work, this does not mean that the vast majority have an average income of 30 thousand per snout.
            Most of the people worked at state-owned factories, factories, or state collective farms. But the industry suddenly plundered and destroyed, with the tacit approval of the authorities. So the bulk of the common people remained with a "horseradish pocket"
            This is true?
        3. turbris
          turbris 28 November 2017 12: 33 New
          +5
          Well, you certainly have other data, because you do not like everything, EVERYTHING in general, in Volgograd, of course, everything is bad and absolutely nothing is done to improve it. Therefore, you regularly inform the local authorities about this, take an active position in the elections with the aim of changing local ineffective officials, and in general there is such an organization as a nation-wide front. So? No, you are sitting at home on your couch and are quietly spraying at the Kremlin and the president, because they are far away, and local? They can’t be, they can even come to visit!
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 28 November 2017 13: 27 New
            +5
            I do what I have to do and why I studied and do it IMHO well, thanks to which I have a good package of property by the age of 30. To begin with, I pay a little over 1 million taxes a year. Are you doing more? 99% of what is not, so do not you reproach me, and if so yourself when the last time they shouted before the mayor's office? laughing
      2. AA17
        AA17 28 November 2017 12: 07 New
        +5
        Dear Ren. I understand your desire to be proud of new open production and products made in Russia. But let's be objective. Everything that is published on the site is done with us - it's just a news feed (we opened another candle factory in Russia). Take the news - The opening of the Center for Innovative Development (CIR) of medical instrumentation Nizhny Novgorod State University. Lobachevsky (UNN) was held in Nizhny Novgorod. It is just a development center. In the future, 860 people will be employed. The question is when will they be busy? If you give such news, then give a brief analysis of this event. Expand:
        1. Efficiency and competitiveness in relation to foreign production.
        2. Market share, product range, technological comparison with similar products of competitors.
        3. The main set of important and necessary components and intermediate products is “roughly speaking, where will we get components from and how and on what will we produce all this?”
        In the meantime, we have - what we have. "... Vnesheconombank is sounding the alarm: in September-October, two months in a row, Russia’s GDP is declining, according to a VEB study published on Friday. Its estimates of the year’s results are also pessimistic. If growth does not resume, Russia will be on the verge of crisis ... "
        And there’s an article with numbers, tables and graphs as opposed to the “Made with us” website. The article "We do not produce anything." The article is too harsh. Something we produce. But the main message makes us wonder - How will the Kremlin transfer the economy to military tracks? And what will translate? I will be glad to your thoughts. After all, we are all worried about our homeland, Russia.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 28 November 2017 23: 53 New
          0
          Quote: AA17
          Everything that is published on the site is done with us - it's just a news feed (we opened another candle factory in Russia).

          But there are not only "candle factories."
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 28 November 2017 07: 38 New
      +6
      There is such a site: "Made with us." Take an interest. There is just the answer to your question. More details ...
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 28 November 2017 09: 49 New
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        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        There is such a site: "Made with us." Take an interest. There is just the answer to your question. More details ...

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        1. 23rus
          23rus 28 November 2017 10: 08 New
          +3
          Two budgets? And to count? wink This is a billion billion per second! laughing
          1. Grandfather
            Grandfather 28 November 2017 11: 42 New
            +1
            here about oil-gasoline intelligibly ... http: //www.yaplakal.com/forum7/topic1
            697455.html
        2. turbris
          turbris 28 November 2017 12: 22 New
          +4
          Well, again, you are engaged in populism - two budgets are being pulled away, well, what is it? Your allegations or you heard it from "knowledgeable" people? Well, let's already move away from this work to the public, otherwise it becomes uninteresting to communicate with such a level of responsibility for what has been said.
      2. Sofa General
        Sofa General 28 November 2017 11: 40 New
        17
        Shooter.
        The canning factory is not Severstal or Magnitogorsk.
        Opening LLC “Horns and Hooves” is one thing, and heavy machine building, machine tool building is another.
        And do not confuse jobs in the service sector with jobs in industry.
  4. Chertt
    Chertt 28 November 2017 07: 35 New
    +8
    I want to watch how the comments will foam after this article. (Author: Yuri Podolyaka (Yurasumy) my respect, at least for the anti-mainstream point of view)
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 09: 13 New
      +6
      So no one says preservation of the deposit - the problem is different; we must not sell the resources, but the product of its processing.
      We, for example, sell the forest to the Finns, and they bring paper and furniture back to us. Well, who ultimately won?
      Like oil we sell to one fraternal country, and they process it and sell gasoline already - and again, who wins the most?
      At the beginning of the XNUMXs, the headmaster at the school told us about this, by the way, a patriot and a competent person.
      1. Chertt
        Chertt 28 November 2017 09: 37 New
        +2
        I agree, it is impossible to object here
      2. seal78
        seal78 28 November 2017 17: 49 New
        0
        And what are you writing the Finns with a capital letter? Do you respect too much?
      3. region58
        region58 28 November 2017 22: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Dr_Engie
        So no one says preserve deposits

        I understand everything - social programs, pensions and so on ... money is needed. But if my grandchildren ask me: how did it happen that you sold all the oil and all the gas ...? - I will not know what to answer them. If I live, of course ...
        1. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 28 November 2017 23: 27 New
          +1
          Especially if later it turns out that something more useful and important can be done from it?
          1. region58
            region58 29 November 2017 02: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Dr_Engie
            you can do something more useful and important

            And today there are the terms "petrochemicals" and "petrochemical industry." Far more important ... No matter where you spit, everything is made from oil or gas.
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 November 2017 07: 41 New
    19
    All this would be good, but the money from the sale of raw materials settles over the hill and the population gets crumbs!
    1. Vasya Vassin
      Vasya Vassin 28 November 2017 08: 59 New
      10
      This is what we are talking about, what good is export for us if we are not using the result?
    2. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 09: 18 New
      10
      In Moscow, they settle ... not all, but a lot. I live in the Astrakhan region, here Lukoil settled down, and Gazprom is producing gas - and the regional budget does not see this money, taxes and deductions go to the federal budget, and we only have the ashes from the gas processing plant, which the city carries with the wind when sulfur burns in again.
      As a result, in such an area where, in addition to the above, there are shipyards, agricultural and cargo transit with tourism, the debt is only growing.
      1. 97110
        97110 28 November 2017 19: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Dr_Engie
        In Moscow, they settle ... not all, but a lot.

        Wrong level. Take an interest - the figures are publicly available, moreover, the budget of the municipality passes public readings before adoption. I remember in my area (I came across several years ago) that my own budget revenues are 10 times less than expenses. The rest, so that you can understand, Moscow sends. More precisely, revenues from the regional budget, which include transfers from the federal budget. In the municipal revenues only property tax and personal income tax. Get an increase in the price of your (you are a seller!) Labor force, personal income tax will grow and the municipality will be bathed in money.
        1. Dr_engie
          Dr_engie 28 November 2017 19: 21 New
          +2
          He worked in the Press Center of his city administration until the winter of 2016/2017. Our budget deficit is much smaller than the amount that Lukoil and Gazprom pay to the federal center as taxes and deductions, and the authorities, by the way, have repeatedly appealed to Moscow with a request to leave us at least a little more money, but hell is there . And, by the way, we don’t really receive subsidies - the regions have to take LOANS from PRIVATE BANKS to cover the budget deficit - that’s a shame that the world has never seen. In recent years, the oblast's DEBT to BANKS has already exceeded the annual budget. But there were no subsidies or redistribution of taxes from gas production. But we are being forced to hold all kinds of Caspian summits, the Caspian capital, what is already there, and the construction of infrastructure for this whole thing.
  6. vlad007
    vlad007 28 November 2017 07: 52 New
    +6
    Russia has returned to oligarchic capitalism. Norway is also a gas station, but there natural resources are extracted by state-owned companies.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 28 November 2017 09: 12 New
      +7
      To you - Gazprom is in the public domain! -does not say anything !?
      1. vlad007
        vlad007 28 November 2017 11: 06 New
        +4
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        You - "Gazprom" - the public domain! -does not say anything !?

        And where does the “people's” money go to - at the Zenith 7 of foreign players from 11. Do you think this is normal?
    2. Romey
      Romey 28 November 2017 10: 16 New
      +6
      Russia has returned to oligarchic capitalism.

      Not even that. What is difficult even to call capitalism in our country, for it is practically impossible to combine classical capitalism with administrative rent, let alone imperialism. I would call it: capitalist feudalism or just neo-feudalism. wink
  7. MadCat
    MadCat 28 November 2017 07: 58 New
    14
    The world leaders have always been “gas station countries”.

    Especially Libya, the UAE, Iran, Qatar, Venezuela and other lights of "leadership", yeah. Free petrodollars have never been an engine of progress, even the appropriate terminology was introduced for countries sitting on the oil needle ... that’s the trick.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 November 2017 12: 46 New
      +7
      Exactly, at the same time we are looking at present China, Japan, South Korea, Germany, France, Great Britain. The main thing is that no one pumps oil and gas, and who consumes it - they are world leaders.
      1. seal78
        seal78 28 November 2017 17: 52 New
        +2
        No need to look at non-self-sustaining states living (and made) at the expense of the United States - especially China, South Korea and Japan - they all rose only due to the huge amount of American dues thrown into them. That's all the "economic miracle." And the United States robs everyone, and then throws it into those whom it wants to control.
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 29 November 2017 08: 09 New
          0
          Quote: seal78
          at the expense of the USA - especially China, South Korea and Japan - they all rose only due to the huge amount of American dough thrown into them. That's all the "economic miracle." And the United States robs everyone, and then throws it into those whom it wants to control.

          you have a strange logic, instead of "robbing" "well, stupid" Americans also have to invest. In general, they are US ALLIES, no more no less. Do not project your state of slave serfdom onto the rest of the world. It’s better to ask your government why Russia still hasn’t canceled such a derogatory notion as residence registration.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 29 November 2017 20: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: MadCat
            you have a strange logic, instead of "robbing" "well, stupid" Americans also have to invest.

            These countries are occupied by the Americans and the United States, investing in them does not risk anything.
            Quote: MadCat
            In general, they are US ALLIES, no more no less.

            Roll your lip, Germany and Japan are under occupation.
          2. seal78
            seal78 1 December 2017 11: 26 New
            0
            Right, yeah, invest. And where do they get the funds for these "investments", can you tell me? Why are they not repaying their trillion-dollar debts to the whole world?
            The US has no allies. There are vassals who are destroyed when they become unnecessary. Welcome to reality.
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 November 2017 08: 25 New
    +9
    The era of reindustrialization has arrived. Almost every day new productions are put into operation in the country, from mini-factories to industry giants.
    In the Union somehow it was not necessary to watch TV, the construction was visible with the naked eye. And now new industrialization is being intensely hidden. Two sites are not recommended. You provide real giants. In the meantime, the plants are screwdrivers.
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 09: 19 New
      +2
      The whole cosmodrome was built winked
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 November 2017 10: 30 New
        +3
        The whole cosmodrome was built
        And launches from Baikonur, but Plesetsk.
      2. Greenwood
        Greenwood 28 November 2017 11: 59 New
        +6
        Judging by the numerous scandals and investigations there, during the construction of the half-cost of the cosmodrome, they were transferred to the offshore. good
  9. solovald
    solovald 28 November 2017 09: 01 New
    +7
    It is clear that energy is the basis of the economy, and the proceeds from the sale of energy are a great opportunity to get the country out of stagnation. However, instead of “... having built factories and factories with this money ...”, we hear more about yachts, feet. clubs, mansions in London, etc. acquisitions.
  10. askme
    askme 28 November 2017 09: 12 New
    +1
    That's right, Yura)
  11. Cat Marquis
    Cat Marquis 28 November 2017 09: 35 New
    +7
    Where to where is Russia "returning"? winked
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 11: 04 New
      +9
      To Tsarist Russia, apparently, when the people were starving and at the same time Russia was the “nurse of Europe” and sold grain winked
  12. BAI
    BAI 28 November 2017 09: 39 New
    +5
    So the leaders are not those who supply energy (Saudis, Venezuela), but those who consume (China, Japan)
    The United States and Russia both consume and sell, but the United States consumes more and sells less.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 November 2017 12: 47 New
      0
      Quote: BAI
      The United States and Russia both consume and sell, but the United States consumes more and sells less.
      And even then, oil production in the United States has been mothballed for a long time, strategic reserves - they bought cheap oil for dollars
  13. Romey
    Romey 28 November 2017 10: 11 New
    11
    Jura, as usual, pulls a snake on the Kremlin hedgehog ... Yes, the above countries are also rich in natural resources, but the devil is hidden in another: neither the US nor Britain has income from energy exports was one of the BASIC budget sources. Moreover, their natural resources went to the power industry of their own industry and communications, which greatly facilitated the competition of industrial goods in foreign markets. Example: Cardiff coal in building 19 - early 20 centuries. They were even supplied with ships of a potential adversary like Russia or Germany, not to mention the other fleets. But, the main part of the production went to ensure their own powerful military and merchant fleets, industry and population! And certainly the British did not depend on coal imports to third countries, unlike guess who ...
    Py. Sy. By the way, many are also not very aware that even in this sacred sphere things are not going well with us, because over the past 10 years, oil and gas production has been technologically modernized, but at the same time it has become completely dependent on Western service companies, for the domestic production of equipment and technology development almost completely destroyed by the effective ones, which was ascertained by the oil workers themselves at the MEF.
  14. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 28 November 2017 10: 59 New
    11
    :-))) I’m laughing at the author with his intense licking! Dear author, you so completely lick a hole!
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 11: 46 New
      0
      Are you afraid that you will not leave others? laughing
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 28 November 2017 12: 18 New
        +8
        wink I'm afraid that the authorities can finally relax! And you say fame to Comrade Stalin ..... That’s where the cult of the personality is, while the personality itself is not there.
    2. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 November 2017 12: 48 New
      +3
      I'm generally surprised where only Comrade Kamenev is looking - this is his skate lol
  15. xtur
    xtur 28 November 2017 15: 38 New
    0
    all is well and right, only the author should not forget the priorities that exist in such matters. If I’m not mistaken, Marina Voskanyan has priority here, and for about 10 years this theory has been around.
  16. alexandrastafiev
    alexandrastafiev 28 November 2017 16: 14 New
    +1
    Yes, the Russian "illitarii" did a lot of things just for the sake of their loved ones. And why should they improve the life of the people !? They don’t die of hunger, they don’t go naked, most importantly, if they are indignant, it’s quiet, mainly in the kitchen. That's nice, you can continue to appropriate all that is acquired by "overwork".
  17. uskrabut
    uskrabut 28 November 2017 16: 16 New
    +3
    “Today, Russia has already passed the first and most difficult part of the journey. Today it sets the tone in the global energy industry and as a result has regained its status of a superpower. The era of reindustrialization has come. New production facilities are being commissioned in the country almost every day, from mini-plants to industry giants. "

    Great!!! If only the citizens of Russia would be allowed to live humanly! And then only Moscow and Muscovites are furious with fat, the rest of Russia is starving. It really hurts a big difference in paying the same work in Moscow and the province! And this despite the fact that our constitution prohibits any discrimination.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 28 November 2017 18: 56 New
      +1
      In Moscow, everything is more expensive for this and they pay more - but not for everyone.
  18. SergF123
    SergF123 28 November 2017 16: 41 New
    10
    I look at the Great Country and Heroic, Strong-willed People and think .... Do I have enough money for gas and a communal apartment this month or not ..... So I'm proud.
  19. Grandpa Mazay
    Grandpa Mazay 28 November 2017 16: 46 New
    +1
    Too narrow a look at the development of countries and the world in general. It is not only a matter of energy carriers such as oil, gas, coal, etc. The main thing is the development of Man, when new technology was enough for several generations of people, now new technologies come almost every year. And this makes a person develop faster to keep up with progress. Who did not have time, he was late. (c) And these energy sources are not the main cause of perturbations in the World as a whole. Only the Law of Time determines the direction of human development. Already, there are environmental technologies such as cold fusion and electricity, roughly speaking, from the air and much more. But it’s profitable for globalists to keep people in the dark so that it would be easier to manage the “herd” of us. That's where the root of everything! And the author was fixated on secondary aspects.
  20. tforik
    tforik 28 November 2017 16: 56 New
    +3
    The article does not stand up to criticism. China is a superpower, but does not export natural resources. The USSR during the Stalin era did not actually export oil to Europe. Factories and technologies were obtained mainly from the gold reserve. It was later that they found oil in the taiga.
    .
    One crank from the party of geologists
    He told me, pouring dirt from a boot:
    "God sent on us the heads of boobies!
    Where does oil come from - when is taiga all around? ...
    ..
    V.Vysotsky

    1. seal78
      seal78 28 November 2017 17: 58 New
      +1
      And at whose expense did China become a "superpower"?
      1. tforik
        tforik 28 November 2017 18: 16 New
        0
        primarily at their own expense. Well, of course, the Americans helped them.
        1. Alber
          Alber 28 November 2017 18: 42 New
          +1
          Quote: tforik
          primarily at their own expense. Well, of course, the Americans helped them.

          Quote: seal78
          And at whose expense did China become a "superpower"?

          NU ALREADY USSR, God forbid, how he helped China in due time, until Khrushchev spoiled relations
        2. seal78
          seal78 1 December 2017 11: 35 New
          0
          First of all, for the American one. And in the second - due to the purchase of Soviet patents for nothing, in the future - just the theft of technology (the benefit is that Western manufactures are located directly on their territory, it’s very convenient to steal) and using other people's capacities for their own purposes. And now the United States, which wanted a free labor force, and for the sake of this moved all the real production to China, themselves fell into economic dependence on it. So much for the "miracle".
  21. Gennady Fyodorov
    Gennady Fyodorov 28 November 2017 17: 07 New
    +3
    Power is not just in oil or coal, power is in the brain! Who needed coal and oil until Watt created a steam engine, and Otto created a gas engine? The engine and the car, Jefferson and Benz, Rolls and Ford, that’s where the power is!
  22. Starter52
    Starter52 28 November 2017 17: 16 New
    +8
    Everything is true about energy. But the distribution of income is just a nightmare. For 20 years, people who started to steal have remained at the top of the power. Of course, I understand that they do not change horses at the crossing. But these pseudo patriots have crossed the crossing now and their children and relatives implemented in all authorities. Okay, we don’t need global changes. But you need to put things in order. And then in the evening you turn on a zombie worker and watch how you reasoned correctly about education, about working professions, about taxes for business. And you start collecting information and you see that his son is studying in England. His wife is the vice president of the bank, and his brother is a top manager at some major metallurgical corporation. He starts all this to bother. We are not forbidden to be rich and I rejoice when people earn their hump for a happy old age. Now I have full rejection of such bureaucrats, parliamentarians and all kinds of political scientists who discuss how we should live, what to spend the budget on and how to negotiate with gay Europe. But this is a mess. And why aren’t they afraid that they won’t be raised on forks? And because they give people a little to then not much after vozmuschalsya.I justified for high prices intrigues imperialistov.My a great country and we will always west of envy for our bogatstv.No order in this gang of thieves time to put things.
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  24. voron770247
    voron770247 28 November 2017 18: 07 New
    +4
    Is there any reason to be proud of such a huge pantry of minerals? What are we standing at this point in time without this pantry? Nothing ... Even the military-industrial complex, it’s such a minuscule, it’s not worth mentioning in the volume of the country ... But to rejoice at the record sale of grain abroad is generally primitive ... That's when this very market will be created in Russia when they tumble down to us, with the desire to sell us raw materials, then we will become a worthy power ... In the meantime ... while we are the most outstanding gas station country that even Poland can sprinkle on.
  25. Prince ajuba
    Prince ajuba 28 November 2017 18: 32 New
    +3
    He deliberately zagregat to call a crap turbris a Kremlin laying, but after reading the whole branch he realized that this opportunist and "political prostitute" (a quote from a classic and a world leader) already arouse readers' indignation and laughter over his mental abilities, as well as his admiration for his ability lick.
    1. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 11: 59 New
      0
      Well, besides you, I have not aroused admiration from anyone, you are the first - very nice! Have you specially registered for this? What threat did you feel? It’s good and from now on I won’t let anyone just lay around everyone in a row, carrying out pre-election orders. Go and vote in the elections, for this it is not necessary to work out your pennies here on the site.
  26. Karabin
    Karabin 28 November 2017 20: 01 New
    13
    To the moderators of VO. Where is the analytics here? Why is this superpositive opus placed in this section? Why not create a special section for such a scribble. Working titles: "Dreams", "Fantasies", "Again Peremoga", "Agitation and Propaganda" Even the campaign was obtained for the level of illiterate Red Army soldiers during the Civil War, and mobilized.
    Auto RU. Yuri, how many do not say halva, you can’t hide reality. Our rulers distributed revenues from expensive oil for offshore, cello and estates on the Cote d'Azur, lowered to the Olympics, mundial and an endless number of forums, bought American debt at 2% per annum. Of course they shared, they formed the country's budget. A little more than Tokyo's budget. But where is world leadership? In what? How do record sales of raw materials and energy help us? Only survive, make ends meet. For the high-tech sector, crumbs fell from oil grace. What do the factories produce and how much? Whose production of heavy trucks on our routes? How can one claim leadership with the output of machine tools at 8% of 90 years, or tractors at 18%? And so almost throughout the manufacturing industry. The thesis that having more energy carriers than others is enough to achieve world leadership does not hold water. On to have something else. For 9 years of rampant democracy and 17 years of rising from our knees this “something”, alas, did not happen here.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 28 November 2017 22: 31 New
      +3
      A colleague, I strongly join you, wrote very well good
    2. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 23: 34 New
      +2
      Yes, we have more of these textbooks in recent times than on Nezalezhnaya.
      1. Romey
        Romey 29 November 2017 08: 48 New
        +2
        Well Duc Putin’s election on the nose, that’s the period of peppy reports. It’s not that the president really needs them (even if he personally says that everything is bad, the election system is built so that he or his person wins anyway), but it’s accepted. Since there are no real successes with Gulkin’s nose, and if you are a pessimist, there’s not at all, then you need to come up with them. However, this time Yura overdid it ...
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 28 November 2017 21: 34 New
    +2
    Today, Russia has already passed the first and most difficult section of the road. Today, it sets the tone in world energy and, as a result, regained the status of a superpower. The era of reindustrialization has arrived. Almost every day new productions are put into operation in the country, from mini-factories to industry giants.
    Examples in the studio! Pliiz! wassat
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 23: 32 New
      +4
      Mini-factories are basements in which Vietnamese darn sneakers and trainings.
      Well, the industry giants are, you see, screwdriver assembly plants lol
  28. sds87
    sds87 28 November 2017 22: 25 New
    +3
    Author, wake up and look around! What is a superpower? What is reindustrialization? Are you from this planet or from parallel worlds? For a long time I have not read more nonsense at VO. Thank God, VO readers live in all regions of Russia, and have the opportunity to leave comments about the real situation in their regions. Cheers chant is not counted. Not for the blind, deaf, dumb, write, after all.
    1. Dr_engie
      Dr_engie 28 November 2017 23: 30 New
      0
      People from Moscow quite support such chants, by the way, quite often.
  29. Radikal
    Radikal 28 November 2017 23: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Dr_Engie
    People from Moscow quite support such chants, by the way, quite often.

    Do not speak for everyone ... hi
  30. Scopolamine
    Scopolamine 29 November 2017 00: 46 New
    0
    I do not agree with the author of the article in the part that selling oil abroad is a blessing. The simple arithmetic of the international division of labor has been thrown out. The raw material seller earns $ 1 and the raw material processor into the finished product $ 8. So selling oil is simply sponsoring your enemies.
    The second span of this approach is that oil trading for $ stabilizes the petro-dollar. As you know, the United States was on the verge of bankruptcy in 1971 by then having profiled its gold security for the dollar. And then the Soviet Union so laid down under the United States in a timely manner, chasing its resources west for the same dollar. As a result, the United States got out of the financial hole of the 70s and we have what we have from the USSR.
    Oil and gas is a raw material only for its industry. This is the main thing that makes the economy self-sufficient. Therefore, an economic policy with hostile neighbors should be built so that they have neither oil nor gas, nor industry. This is easy to do with tariffs because they are not self-sufficient. The vicious policy of buying loyalty of dwarf countries is destructive for large countries. Fat gnomes unite in E ... Unions and begin their "hunt", there will never be a status quo. Russia feeds one gnome after another on the mountain, but a more sane approach is when they pay for the "roof" or trade preferences. Nothing personal, the simple logic of our reality of capitalism.
  31. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 29 November 2017 03: 41 New
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    Russia is so rich that it allowed crooks to take out half of the annual military-industrial complex over the hill. And now we are so afraid of impending sanctions that we hide a third of the oil industry’s income in small capsules or transfer the United States for their pieces of paper to support their own economy. These are not my "baubles," our Siluanov speaks about this on the state issue. budget for 2018.

    The question now stands side-by-side: either the state power will take this comprador crook, or the people will give her greedy hands. Medvedevites and liberalists are proteges of the comprador wing of the crook, Putiners are not comprador. But while they are all in a heap in United Russia, led by de jure Medvedev. Putin is trying to softly trim the wing of the Medvedevites. Too soft, albeit noticeable. But in any way, any revolution is worse. Harmful for the accelerated development of energy, which should be our priority.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 29 November 2017 10: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail Zubkov
      The question now stands side-by-side: either the state power will take this comprador crook, or the people will give her greedy hands.

      State power has long been in the hands of a crook. Jule. By definition, it cannot be patriotic. respectively, and his proteges are the same. The division into Putin and Medvedev is conditional. Plague on both of these houses.
  32. askme
    askme 29 November 2017 04: 32 New
    0
    Communism and brain liberalism are incurable diseases. You can alleviate the suffering of people by relieving symptoms, but it seems impossible to cure ....
  33. tdm
    tdm 29 November 2017 19: 00 New
    0
    According to the Fraunhofer ISE Institute, the volume of wind generation in Germany in 2017 for the first time exceeded coal generation. In general, the now-leading way to generate energy accounts for 46% of the total. This is a hello for an energy superpower
    1. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 22: 24 New
      0
      Say hi to the Fraunhofer ISE Institute, they won’t write it to you either, why do they increase gas pumping from year to year, of course it’s not used in energy, is it just that they live on windmills? And why is coal purchased in such volumes? Do not be so naive "wise guy" you are ours.
      1. tdm
        tdm 30 November 2017 11: 06 New
        0
        why why why ?? Think about it yourself. The economy is growing, the welfare of citizens is growing, it requires more energy consumption. You stupid man
        1. turbris
          turbris 30 November 2017 19: 43 New
          0
          Let’s talk all the same on “YOU”, I haven’t sat at the same table with a glass and probably won’t. If there are no more thoughts except the newspaper, then there is no need to answer, remember for the future.
          1. tdm
            tdm 4 December 2017 15: 44 New
            0
            Well, I apologize for the "You". But you will remember for the future, if the point of view does not coincide with yours, this is a call for discussion among intelligent and educated people. Yours "from the newspapers, it is not necessary to answer, remember .." Do you seriously think that I need your teachings? And in fact. In the end, you can argue with facts, figures, arguments, arguments, logic, or you can scream slogans ????
  34. Natalia777
    Natalia777 29 November 2017 19: 05 New
    +1
    For some reason, the UAE is not ashamed of being completely seated on an oil needle. Why is Russia ashamed of the extraction and sale of oil? Russia is a peacemaker, the guarantor of peace and stability and should occupy one of the key places in the world. I am not a Russian woman.
    1. turbris
      turbris 29 November 2017 22: 26 New
      0
      And do not be surprised, these are our bloggers on the site having fun - they have begun the pre-election mating season.
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