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"Flying Tank": why the Germans were so afraid of the attack aircraft Il-2

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IL-2. This plane turned over all ideas about air battle tactics. An armored attack aircraft could spend hours circling over fascist tank columns, effectively destroying them. The Germans, seeing IL-2 in the air, rushed scattering. The plane became the most massive not only during the Great Patriotic War, but throughout the world stories aviation.


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  1. Elena Zakharova
    Elena Zakharova 27 November 2017 18: 03 New
    +3
    The closer the target, the easier it is to hit it.
    This is the main advantage of the IL-2.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 November 2017 18: 21 New
      +9
      The closer the target, the easier it is to be shot down by anti-aircraft fire.
      Therefore, at the beginning of the war In 41-42, the title of Hero of the Soviet Union was given to attack pilots for 10 sorties. In the year 43, the qualifications were increased to 30 sorties, and in the year 44, to 80. It is clear that losses by assault on aircraft in the first period of the war were enormous.
      Here are the memories of the fighter pilots of the attack aircraft.
      http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/20456/Dr
      abkin _-_ Ya_dralsya_na_Il-2.html
      1. Elena Zakharova
        Elena Zakharova 27 November 2017 18: 37 New
        +4
        In order to book, so that there was less chance of being shot down.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 November 2017 18: 49 New
          +6
          Quote: Elena Zakharova
          In order to book, so that there was less chance of being shot down.

          So it is so, only if Oerlikon is hammering at you, and you are at a height of 200 meter, then the chances of survival are slim.
          When Ilov had already released a sufficient number and they did not plug all possible and impossible "holes", they began to use tactics to suppress anti-aircraft artillery, first the couple suppresses the fire of anti-aircraft guns, and then the group "gets into a circle" to carry out the main task.
          Well, I gave the exile, read, it’s interesting to hear from the participants themselves.
          1. 11 black
            11 black 27 November 2017 18: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Stroporez
            So it is so, only if Oerlikon is hammering at you, and you are at a height of 200 meter, then the chances of survival are slim.

            Well, if you take two hundred ofabs on the positions of erlikons, then the chances of survival are really small.
            In the situation in which the IL-2 ended up in 41, no other attack aircraft could even take off.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 27 November 2017 19: 13 New
              +5
              Quote: 11 black
              In the situation in which the IL-2 ended up in 41, no other attack aircraft could even take off.

              This is undeniable, as is the fact that the IL-2 is a unique aircraft and its contribution to the Victory is difficult to overestimate! soldier
              1. Lexus
                Lexus 13 December 2017 00: 56 New
                +2
                The most massive (for all time), the most tenacious, the most dangerous. PTABs German "cats" nicely beaten. And the losses were great because they were thrown into the thick of it, often (at the beginning of won) without cover.
          2. Elena Zakharova
            Elena Zakharova 27 November 2017 19: 01 New
            +7
            Quote: Stroporez
            Well, I gave the exile, read, it’s interesting to hear from the participants themselves.

            My close relative ended the war on IL - 2 in the sky above Berlin.
            I have MAI, I myself flew, in the flying club of the institute ... and I work on the profile.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 27 November 2017 19: 10 New
              +8
              Quote: Elena Zakharova
              My close relative ended the war on IL - 2 in the sky above Berlin.
              I have MAI, I myself flew, in the flying club of the institute ... and I work on the profile.

              This is Class !!!! love
              I will allow myself my own repost:
              During the war years, my cousin grandfather fought in an assault on aviation, and here from his words:
              "At the end of 1943, they were going to attack the railway station.
              Approaching the front line due to low cloudiness, I had to jump out just above the clouds and at the same moment we took away the group of Yu-88, going almost the opposite direction, I order the attack, we slightly turn it over from all the trunks, the first pair scattered into pieces, the third smoked and with a decline went down, and we rushed, almost through the ranks! "I ask, where were the escort fighters?
              “So they’re so low and at such speeds as we didn’t fly, and they went much higher and higher either with“ scissors ”or“ circles ”and often lost us either against the background of the earth or due to the same cloudiness. Then, when went to the station bombed, we go on the second round, we dive to the target, I’m on the trigger, tra-ta-ta and silence ....., I realized that it was empty ... It’s good that we flew with three links! for not fulfilling a combat mission! Although the distribution was already terrible, nobody even hinted at the "Junkers", then. Only a week later he called up the regiment, smiling broadly on the shoulder, he said fighters, well done. I decided to give us a bottle of "cups", the weather was bad, they didn’t fly for about a week and a half, and a month later they received Red Star for this flight.
              That’s the story, I’m sorry I was young, and I would have recorded it all under a tape recorder .... And on the 86th, exactly on the 41st anniversary of the Victory, he was gone ..., didn’t live up to my call.
              1. Elena Zakharova
                Elena Zakharova 27 November 2017 19: 26 New
                +7
                Quote: Stroporez
                That’s the story, I’m sorry I was young, and I would have written all this under a tape recorder

                I have heard many similar stories ...
                At the end of the war, my relative served in Berlin for about ten years, a pilot. Then in Barnaul, he was an instructor at an aviation school. Unfortunately, too, no longer alive.
                They shot down several times, hospitals and all other charms. He started the war on P-5, after completing courses in Frunze, there was a school there, it seems, in the building of a modern building technical school (USSR), I saw a sign there, now I don’t know what and how.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 27 November 2017 19: 32 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Elena Zakharova
                  I have heard many similar stories ...

                  So I feel sorry for the tears that I did not record all these stories. My grandfather worked at DOSAAF, constantly meeting, speaking at schools, before dying for two months, flew another Yak-18, well, I’m with him in the second cockpit good
                  1. Elena Zakharova
                    Elena Zakharova 27 November 2017 19: 40 New
                    +4
                    Well, mine flew in plenty, and said that everything, no longer desire ..
                    I don’t know why, but I really didn’t want to, although I always had the opportunities in the same Barnaul.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 27 November 2017 19: 45 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Elena Zakharova
                      Well, mine flew in plenty, and said that everything, no longer desire ..

                      And on the contrary, he had an unfinished song.
                      He received a serious wound in the 44th and lost his eye, and then flew to Po-2 until the end of the 45th.
                      Apparently, it was postponed somewhere in the subconscious that he hadn’t finished something .....
                      1. Elena Zakharova
                        Elena Zakharova 27 November 2017 20: 08 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        He apparently, somewhere in the subconscious postponed

                        Maybe you are right. But how many people, so many fates. Mine then flew off to the full until retirement.
        2. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 28 November 2017 14: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: Elena Zakharova
          In order to book, so that there was less chance of being shot down.

          - you will not be booked from this
          1. Elena Zakharova
            Elena Zakharova 28 November 2017 18: 48 New
            +2
            Quote: DimerVladimer
            - you will not be booked from this

            You still have to get out of this, which is quite problematic for a number of technical and psychological aspects.
      2. Oyo Sarkazmi
        Oyo Sarkazmi 12 March 2020 21: 06 New
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        that the losses of attack aircraft in the first period of the war were enormous.

        In the first period of the war, attack aircraft were few, several hundred. And when they began to be riveted hundreds in a day, there were already enough fighters. Therefore, the losses among attack pilots are less than 8 thousand. Far behind fighters, both Soviet and German.
  2. andranick
    andranick 27 November 2017 18: 19 New
    +3
    To fly to the attack or bombing (I mean about the "bombers" too) it was necessary to have steel "Faberge". Not just like that "the aircraft became the most massive not only during the Great Patriotic War, but throughout the entire world history of aviation". I bow to my ancestors.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 13 December 2017 01: 36 New
      +1
      Quote: andranick
      To fly to the attack or bombing (I mean about the "bombers" too) it was necessary to have steel "Faberge". Not just "the aircraft became the most massive not only during the Great Patriotic War, but throughout the entire history of aviation." I bow to my ancestors.

      There is a wonderful book, in it are the memoirs of war veterans, I recommend it. soldier


      http://www.e-reading.club/bookreader.php/20456/Dr
      abkin _-_ Ya_dralsya_na_Il-2.html
  3. shura7782
    shura7782 27 November 2017 19: 32 New
    +7
    IL-2. This plane turned over all ideas about air battle tactics. Armored attack aircraft could for hours [/ b] [b]circling fascist tank columns, effectively destroying them.
    The author, although the "article" will already be counted, but do you give yourself a report on your short epic? Why mislead members of the forum who are far from aviation, but proud of it.
    I would also like to listen about your tactics of air combat.
    In general, you were "unsuccessful" although there was a swing that they themselves ditched.
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    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 November 2017 20: 18 New
      +6
      Quote: shura7782
      attack aircraft could for hours [/ b]circling fascist tank columns, effectively destroying them.
      I agree Colleague, also jarred!
      Well, what to expect when the commentator on the channel, the star calls the fighter aircraft [b] "Istribitsky", and the editors are the same ..... This is not funny!
  4. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter 27 November 2017 20: 21 New
    +3
    Elena Zakharova,
    That's for sure! My Grandfather flew for the first time on an attack on June 26 of the 41st ...
    He was a fan of aviation, and when they came to Monino with him, he kissed the wing of Ilyusha ..., "I would make nails out of these people! There weren’t stronger nails in the world!
  5. svp67
    svp67 27 November 2017 20: 22 New
    +1
    The Germans, seeing IL-2 in the air, rushed scattering.
    You might think that at the sight of an attacking Su-2, German soldiers acted differently ....
    The aircraft became the most massive not only during the Great Patriotic War, but also in the entire world history of aviation.

    Yes, with one clarification, the most massive BATTLE aircraft and the most massive in SOVIET aviation
    In total, over the years of mass production, 34 copies of the IL-943 and 2 training IL-1211s were produced.
    Since there is a more massive aircraft
    "Cessna-172 Skyhawk" (English Cessna 172 Skyhawk) - an American light aircraft. It is produced by the company Cessna. The most massive aircraft in the history of aviation. Built since 1956 over 43 aircraft in more than 25 modifications. Production was stopped in the mid-80s, but was resumed in 1998 with a more powerful engine.
    1. fox_rudy
      fox_rudy 28 November 2017 02: 03 New
      0
      I decided to mash up, but went over. Both 'BATTLE' and 'SOVIET'. And tell me, mon sher, what kind of 'BATTLE', and not 'SOVIET' let out more ??? !!!
      1. svp67
        svp67 28 November 2017 03: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: fox_rudy
        I decided to mess up

        Well, if you, brother Fox decided, then cleverly ....
  6. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 28 November 2017 06: 38 New
    +1
    One of the most, if not the most tenacious WWII aircraft, as in the song - we fly hobbling in the gloom ......., on parole and on one wing., The losses of these aircraft would be less if in 41-42 years he was released not single, but with a cabin for the shooter radio operator, because the tail of the aircraft was defenseless.
  7. korriphila
    korriphila 28 November 2017 11: 00 New
    +1
    By the way. Alas, oh, but the name "Schwartz Tod" (black death), which the Germans gave IL-2, in the German language has a slightly different meaning than the one we are used to perceive. The fact is that "Schwartz Tod" in German is a proper name and denotes a specific disease, namely the plague. In Russian, the plague is the plague, and in German, the plague is Schwartz Tod. So when the Germans shouted "sharde tod" at the sight of IL-2 or our marines by the way, they meant that they were attacked by crazy freaks. Although not bad either.
  8. Sergey53
    Sergey53 28 November 2017 11: 28 New
    +1
    A good fire defeat and its indestructibility instilled confidence in our pilots, and fear among the Germans.
  9. DimerVladimer
    DimerVladimer 28 November 2017 14: 14 New
    0
    The film is for someone who cannot read.
  10. D040sm
    D040sm 28 November 2017 19: 52 New
    +1
    “The plane for this war was good and necessary. Yes, it didn’t save the crews very much, but as a weapon it was a great machine ... Yes, it couldn’t dive, but due to its low altitude work it was very effective. We took 400 kg of bombs , rarely 600 - didn’t take off. True, the attack aircraft did not have a real bomber sight, but it seems to them that they didn’t need it. For what? There’s no time to aim there! The same applies to RS - they flew, scared. the attack aircraft are cannons. Very good 23 mm guns of VYa. I had to fly from 37 mm E cannons NS-37 When one shoot, the plane stops -. very strong recoil Treats no, but powerful, of course, weapons. ". Averyanov V.G. pilot, GSS.

    "We ended up in the 566th assault aviation regiment ... He fought [...] near Moscow. Every one died. Only Afonya Machny remained from 1941, and he lost his mind after fifty sorties ..." Veteran attack aircraft Yu. M. Khukhrikov.

    "I think that at that time it was the only plane that successfully combined firepower, good maneuverability and armor protection ... Of course, the 20-mm shell didn’t hold armor, but a lot of hits took to the rebound ... In addition, the armored corps and not fully retractable wheels made it possible to land the car on the stomach. Naturally, the oil cooler was demolished, but such damage could be repaired in the field. The only drawback that I can single out is its low technological adaptability. " Veteran of the Great Patriotic War Usov V.V.
  11. voron770247
    voron770247 28 November 2017 21: 28 New
    0
    Our "Night Witches" caused no less terror ... And who didn’t terrify the Germans ?! We fought to the death, and therefore were horrified of us ... But about Ilyushka T.Ya. Begeldinov is well described in the book. "The silts attack."
  12. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 29 November 2017 06: 24 New
    0
    Because IL2 on a low-level flight figazit fascists left and right.
  13. urman
    urman 10 December 2017 11: 22 New
    0
    I read somewhere, radio interception, German pilots.
    I’m screaming for the whole B / K pilot and he’s put him in and he’s flying,
    distpecher in response Frightened the hedgehog with a bare ass.
    An armored attack aircraft could spend hours circling \\\\\\\
    probably meant different.
    Our veteran once spoke, saying that he had a reserve in the region of an hour.
    And still ours escorted prisoners, over them silt flew ILS under pain of execution
    scattered through the bushes.
    Here they are at 45 terribly pointed at them.