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I came across an interesting book on the Internet, called Sovetia. In it the author gives some interesting opinions on various topics. Just want to say that I am not an ardent communist or a supporter of the revival of the Soviet system in one form or another. With some of the statements in the book, I disagree. But, nevertheless, the opinions expressed by the author, in my opinion, deserve the attention of even those people who do not consider themselves communists. I want to add that the author wrote in 2001, so some of his arguments and words may seem irrelevant.



Soviet


Introduction

Having used the word "Soviet" in the title to these notes, I was well aware that many people were sick of this word. This word to a large extent was discredited by the discrepancy between the Soviet maximalist ideals and the Soviet reality. Maximalism is a noticeable (and probably the most harmful) trait of the national character of the Soviet person. In his view, society should either be perfect on 100% (and even better on 150% and with an early over-fulfillment of the plan), or not at all. There is no third. Meanwhile, in principle, society cannot be absolutely perfect, and milk and dairy rivers do not flow even in America. Yes, that society - a simple steam engine cannot have the efficiency of 100% - and not because it is poorly designed, but because the laws of physics require a certain amount of heat to be thrown into the surrounding space idle. Of course, I'm sorry heat - as much coal it spent, but without these inevitable losses spinning machine generally will not (see any textbook physics, "Thermodynamics" section.).

The slightest discrepancy between the ideal and reality is perceived by the Soviet man as a tragedy, from which there can be only two ways out: either to absolute cynicism and nihilism, or to renounce old ideals and accept new ones (say, yesterday was a communist, and today a Christian and an adherent of economic Adam Smith’s teachings are the only true, guiding, and omnipotent.) The third possible way out, unfortunately, is seen by only an insignificant part of the Soviet people — those who understand that ideals are called ideals because unattainable in reality. Like a guiding star, the ideal only indicates the direction of motion. To reach this star is impossible, but this does not mean that attempts to go in the direction indicated by it are meaningless. Only by moving towards the ideal can we become at least a little bit better, smarter and kinder, and only this movement makes life meaningful. You have to choose your star and go without changing it - only then can you go far enough. The change of ideals gives practically nothing - the new star is as unattainable as far as the previous one, but it has to go in a different direction, and the path traversed before by the cost of millions of human lives becomes meaningless.

I think that the root of almost all the current misfortunes of the Soviet people is that too few Soviet people were able to understand this. The Soviet people caught up with and overtook the Americans for the production of steel and rockets, but hopelessly fell behind in the most important thing - in understanding this. When the truth about Vietnam came to America in 60-s, the truth that a certain lieutenant of the US Army did to the peaceful residents of the village of Songhi, it seemed that the stars and stripes of the American flag could no longer be washed away from the caked blood on it - too much starting with the blood of millions of American Indians ruthlessly slaughtered back in the 19 century. It seemed that this flag could only be burned, as many American students did then during mass protest demonstrations. But then, among the Americans, there was a clever man who said: "Don't burn it - wash it!" ("Do not burn it, and wash!"). And to their credit, it must be said that they have found the strength to understand: the only way out of the crisis of national self-consciousness is to work, every day and diligently, to make America better and cleaner so that one day they can be justly proud again its flag. It is very long and difficult, but the only way on which you can really become today is a little better than yesterday.

And what did we do when we learned the truth about Afghanistan and the Stalinist camps? In Lewis Carroll's fairy tale "Alice in Wonderland" there is a wonderful episode of insane tea drinking at an incredibly long table: having drunk tea from one cup and thoroughly making a tablecloth around itself, the guest transplanted to a nearby place where the still clean cup stood and the tea party continued. Something similar happened to us: "No, this flag cannot be washed off!" - Said the "former" Soviet people, and the hammer-and-sick red flag flew into the garbage can. Instead, they got a lot of multicolored flags copied from the textbook. stories - and tea continues. To clean up after ourselves is not in our rules, and when we make another flag, we will dig out another one in the historical museum - the benefit of our history is rich. But this road leads nowhere.

I wrote these notes for all Soviet people, even for those who no longer consider themselves Soviet. Because in order to become better, you have to face the truth and understand who you really are, and not who you imagine yourself in fantasy. In the end, we must reconcile ourselves with our history and our Soviet origins, learn to be proud of what we can truly be proud of in Soviet history, and be ashamed of what we should not be proud of. Because only when it is embarrassing, I want at least something to fix. Those who have completely renounced their Soviet descent seem to be easier to live: Soviet history for them is not their history, not their heritage, and they seem to have nothing to be ashamed of, but they have robbed themselves of being people without roots, without history and culture. Of course, they can consider themselves the heirs of pre-revolutionary Russian culture, but this is a big self-deception, because we want it or not, we are first and foremost the heirs of our fathers and grandfathers, and not some semi-mythical pre-revolutionary great-great-great-great-grandfathers. It’s impossible to erase 70 years from the history if these 70 years fit the lives of your father and grandfather. I hope that sooner or later these people will understand the futility of escaping from themselves.

But besides them, there are many people who have ceased to consider themselves Soviet by sheer misunderstanding. It is very difficult for a Soviet person to understand who he really is, because every Soviet person has a so-called “passport”, where there is a “nationality” column, and many people believe what is written in this graph. Indeed, this graph sheds some light on which ethnic community belonged to some (not all) of the ancestors of the man who lived up to 1917 years. But its contents often say absolutely nothing about what the passport holder himself is, what cultural-ethnic community he belongs to. Very many people, educated by Soviet civilization in the spirit of Soviet ideals, who embraced its values, absorbed all the advantages and disadvantages of the national character of the Soviet people, having read the “Russian” entry in their passport, take it in all seriousness, although they actually touched Russian culture only in the classroom literature, when "passed" (often by) Russian classics. Having accidentally heard somewhere that all Russians are Orthodox, such a person begins to perceive the entry in his passport as a guide to action, and immediately goes to church (where his ancestors did not go for two or three generations). At the same time, he is completely unaware that such a touching confidence in the Soviet passport once again confirms his inborn "sovkovost"

Recently, a guide to the Soviet Union, published in the USA in 1986, fell into my hands. "If you ask the Soviet people who they are by nationality," wrote the authors of the guidebook, "do not be surprised if you hear the answer: Russian, or Ukrainian, or Lithuanian, or Uzbek. No one will say in response that he is Soviet." For Americans, this is truly amazing. If you ask any American - whether he is American Irish, Italian, or even of Japanese origin - who he is by nationality, he will answer without hesitation: American. Further, the authors wrote that the young Soviet nation has not yet developed an awareness of their national identity, and predicted in this connection great problems in the very near future.

We ourselves have driven ourselves into a trap. On the one hand, we seem to have recognized that nationality is determined primarily not a hair color or shape of the nose, and membership of a particular cultural tradition, a certain civilization. And in the USSR there was such a single civilization, which absorbed tens of millions of people into its orbit. Proponents of this civilization were happy that it abolishes interethnic and interreligious barriers and brings us closer to the day when a single humanity, not divided into nations and religious denominations, will emerge. Opponents of her outraged by the fact that it also destroys the ancient cultures and religions. But neither supporters nor opponents of this civilization could not deny its enormous assimilating power. Nevertheless, we, the Soviet, apparently, are the only nation in the world whose language does not turn to call themselves by name. For political reasons, obviously. Our thinking is politicized to such an extent that in the words “We are Soviet” we still see a declaration of love for the party and the government, instead of simply stating the fact of nationality. However, it's time to understand one thing.

We speak different languages. Our ancestors were people of different nationalities and worshiped different gods. However, we all belong to one nation, as raised in the framework of the same civilization, the same culture, which is so historically, it called the "Soviet". We can argue about whether this civilization is good or bad, but we cannot undo this accomplished fact of our biography. We can either 1) try to make this civilization better than it was, or 2) scatter around its corners and start each building something new and its own from scratch, because, again, regardless of whether it is bad or good, national cultures that existed on the territory of the “one sixth” before the revolution was almost completely destroyed during the Soviet period - this is also a historical fact that cannot be ignored. The path of separation is the path of interethnic conflicts and the destruction of the country's single economy. This is the way to the world, alien to each of us - we can get (and are already starting to get) into a completely unusual cultural environment for us. We seem to be foreigners at home. We must be aware that new countries that have arisen on the ruins of the USSR will always be completely alien to us, even if we ourselves are their creators. Of course, we will somehow adapt to the new situation, but a person’s ability to adapt to unusual situations has its limits, and this limited reserve of adaptability is necessary to adapt to the changes brought about by ongoing technological progress. To spend this reserve on adapting to unwarranted social changes is too much luxury.

I have seen too little of the Soviet people understand that. I could not dare to start these notes. I am not a historian, and therefore what I write may be very vulnerable to criticism from a factual point of view. But I am convinced that until we decide to say the only words that make us all one nation, not divided into nations big and small, into "elder brothers" and "younger brothers", those words that turn the whole one sixth part of the land in a common house for all the people inhabiting it, we are doomed to civil strife. I am writing these notes in the hope that I can at least help someone to get rid of this damned psychological complex. Realize who we are, where we come from, and where we are going. Understand what our place is in history and in the universe.

Read them. And try to say "We are Soviet." To say, not ashamed of it and not boast about it. To say this is simply a statement of fact: such is our nationality. Nationality is not chosen - it picks us at birth.

Try it. It's so easy. And this will be the first step to the recovery of our country.

What is this book about?

Speech in this book will go:
1. The fact that the Soviet people exist, although it does not include all citizens of the former USSR (as it was tacitly assumed in Brezhnev times). That it is not just a continuation of the Russian people, and that the people that we now call Russian, in large part of it consists not of Russians, but of Soviet people.
2. About what, what happened in Russia in 1917, was not just a coup. It was not even just a social revolution, necessary for the implementation of the industrial revolution, the purpose of which was merely the transition of Russian society from pre-industrial to industrial society (as most Western historians believe). In fact, it was a great civilizational "mutation" that led to the emergence of a completely new type of civilization, for the first time in human history based not on religion, but on the scientific worldview, a civilization far ahead of its time, and therefore still largely unclaimed, because in parallel with the construction of an industrial society, it also laid the foundations of a post-industrial society.
3. About the current crisis of the Soviet civilization caused by the crisis of the communist ideology. The fact that the crisis of communism is a particular manifestation of the global crisis of humanistic civilization.
4. About the current crisis of world civilization. The fact that this crisis is a consequence of at least two main reasons: 1) the "locked up" of Earth civilization in the "gravitational well" of the planet Earth with its limited resources; 2) the internal crisis of industrial society, built on the classical capitalist model.
5. About ways out of crises. That overcoming the crisis of Soviet civilization cannot be considered separately from overcoming the crisis of world civilization as a whole. The fact that overcoming the crisis of Soviet civilization can help the whole of humanity come out of the crisis, and that Soviet civilization can hardly exist if it is not possible to get rid of the main causes of the crisis of world civilization (i.e., overcome the interplanetary growth barrier and go to a more complex model of the world community, which includes a local civilization that plays the role of a locomotive of technical progress).
6. On the means of exit from crises. About how our point of view on the past and the present predetermines our future. The fact that opposing points of view do not contradict each other, but complement each other (the Bohr addition principle). About the fact that not all points of view are equally good - some of them (“destructive points of view”) can lead us to disaster, while others (“constructive”) can help us achieve the desired result. About the fact that we need to understand exactly what future we want to live in, and based on this consciously build our world view.
7. About that, what kind of a "bright future" we really want, and how much it really, if we assume that we know the general trends in the development of the universe, society, and technology.
8. And how exactly we should go to this "bright future".
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  1. Grandfather
    Grandfather 28 November 2017 06: 03
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    Using the word "Soviet" in the title of these notes, I was well aware that many people were sick of this word.
    many sick of the word "Russian". and what makes those who transfer money to offshore nauseous and buys valuable bourgeois securities?
    And try to say "We are Soviet." To say without being ashamed of it and not boasting of it. Saying it is simply a statement of fact: this is our nationality
    . Yes, I'm Soviet. on the fact of birth and worldview. I'm proud of. soldier
    1. 24rus
      24rus 28 November 2017 06: 14
      33
      I am a Soviet man, I am sure that we will restore the country, socialism.
    2. dSK
      dSK 28 November 2017 06: 47
      +6
      Quote: Dead Day
      I am Soviet. upon birth

      Hello "Grandfather is old"! Also on the fact of birth, when the gateways were opened and tumbled down by yogis, Roerichs, “folk healers”, Jehovah’s, he reached Orthodoxy by typing, thanks mother-in-law, was baptized in 1993. There is a fairy tale for children called “Flint” (on the Gospel theme), where a soldier finds a copper treasure, then silver, throws copper, finds gold - throws silver. Such a long way, read the Gospel, the detailed history of the Orthodox Church, Ignatius Briancheninov and other holy fathers. And he came to the firm conviction that the original - the "Ten Commandments", is better than a copy - the "code of the builder of communism." During the 2000 years of Christianity, including 1000 years, Orthodoxy has experienced so much persecution, persecution, and torture that only the real help of God can explain its spread. "From good - they do not seek good." hi
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 28 November 2017 06: 58
        30
        Quote: dsk
        Hello "Grandfather is old"!

        hello dsk, would you go to a parish school to hang a doshirak on your ears ... you made a mistake on the site ... hi
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 28 November 2017 07: 14
          18
          Quote: Grandfather is caste
          you made a mistake on the site
          Well, the person made a mistake on the site, what to send immediately to the central vocational school, so Doshirak is not enough for everyone! crying
          PS Now there are no religious "wars" in VO, it has become calmer. hi
        2. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 28 November 2017 07: 19
          32
          Feeling of disgust from reading. Maybe I don’t quite understand ---- I read in transport? I’ll come ---- I will concentrate. Bullshit at first ----- ““ many sick. ”“ How many such? Did the author count? Announce the entire list please! But if you wish, such a list can already be compiled by name ..... And what %%?
          I am a SOVIET person, like my parents, grandparents.
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 28 November 2017 11: 50
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            Quote: Reptiloid
            Feeling of disgust from reading. Maybe I don’t quite understand ---- I read in transport? I’ll come ---- I will concentrate. Bullshit at first ----- ““ many sick. ”“ How many such? Did the author count? Announce the entire list please! But if you wish, such a list can already be compiled by name ..... And what %%?
            I am a SOVIET person, like my parents, grandparents.


            Dmitry, leafing through comments, pondering - what to write. And now, in fact, I came across my thoughts that you have already expressed. Namely - a sense of disgust. We, the Soviet people, were simply divided between the new owners along with the territory of the country, as serfs together with the estate. But this is not enough. It is necessary to etch pride from people. Now the word "Soviet" evokes, it turns out negative emotions.
            I'm sick of another - from the current falsity and plunder of the country by one percent of the population.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 28 November 2017 12: 56
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              Quote: Reserve officer
              I'm sick of another - from the current falsity and plunder of the country by one percent of the population.

              There’s nothing to add. I agree.
              I am a Soviet man.
          2. Aleksandr_5
            Aleksandr_5 29 November 2017 15: 09
            +1
            I support your every word! drinks
      2. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 28 November 2017 08: 59
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        dsk Today, 06:47 ↑ New
        Also on the fact of birth, when the gateways were opened and tumbled down by yogis, Roerichs, “folk healers”, Jehovah’s, he reached Orthodoxy by typing, thanks mother-in-law, was baptized in 1993.
        Again ass no place to read sermons? What, churches are not enough, or have you been anointed with honey in VO?
        And he came to the firm conviction that the original - the "Ten Commandments", is better than a copy - the "code of the builder of communism."
        The builder of communism taught the people to read and write, gave the people free education, medicine, created a powerful industrial power, built power plants of all kinds, made advanced science, first went to space, broke the backbone of a united Europe, twice in a short time lifted the country from ruins!
        What did the pop do? Pop served his whole life for the benefit of himself and those who hold power. In tsarist times, the church was the largest landowner, but this is half the trouble, the trouble is that the church owned slaves, yes, yes, those same serfs. The church was always on the servant of the slave owners, the church taught the people obedience to their masters, the church always called the people a slave, not God's children, but slaves. The church, and now thanks to people like you, is trying to inspire people to submit to the new masters, the church is leading to a dullness of the gray mass, replacing the light of science with its dogmas.
        "From good - they do not seek good." hi
        But this is correct, only each of us understands good in his own way. So go to the porch and read your mournful sermons there.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 09: 35
          +8
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          What, churches are not enough, or have you been anointed with honey in VO?

          Dear Varangian! In Russia, the constitution establishes freedom of conscience and religion, therefore, any citizen of Russia can declare affiliation with a particular religion and the reasons for choosing a religion. Anywhere. And on the site as well.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          The builder of communism

          He drove the active part of the people into camps and special settlements, taught to hate his neighbor and write his denunciations, and turned the people into a dumb herd, awaiting the next "leader" with trepidation. Say I'm wrong? Then answer the question, first of all to yourself, why did 280 million Soviet citizens, including the KGB, the army and the vaunted “party,” dutifully look at how three alcoholics pulled the USSR apart?
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          What did the pop do?

          And here is the Church, in the person of its ministers:
          - brought the idea of ​​mercy and a humane attitude to a person into society (the first charity and help societies for the poor appeared under the Church)
          - the idea of ​​inalienable rights granted by God to man (for life, human dignity, etc.)
          - made a significant contribution to the preservation of the ancient cultural and scientific heritage (google the role of the Church in preserving scientific knowledge in the Middle Ages)
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          the church always called the people a slave, not God's children, but slaves.

          Do not talk nonsense without understanding the question. The church, including all parishioners, has already been praying for Our Father, in which God calls the Father, for 2 thousand years now at the Liturgy, collectively (both priests and parishioners). Father, not master or master.
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          replacing the dogma of the light of science.

          Tell it to the founder of genetics. to the monk Gregory Mendell ... wink
          1. novel66
            novel66 28 November 2017 09: 52
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            and the Crusades and church wars - as if outside the brackets?
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 10: 14
              +5
              Dear Roman, the Crusades are like they were retaliation to seize a number of Christian lands. So here they were no different from the Spanish Reconquista or a number of other wars. As for church wars ... they are no better than ideological wars. The latter, unleashed in the name of the “victory of world communism”, “the living space of the chosen race” or the “triumph of democracy”, claimed more lives in the atheistic 20th century alone than all church conflicts.
            2. Vend
              Vend 28 November 2017 10: 15
              +7
              Quote: novel xnumx
              and the Crusades and church wars - as if outside the brackets?

              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: dsk
              During the 2000 years of Christianity, including 1000 years, Orthodoxy has experienced so much persecution, persecution, and torture that only the real help of God can explain its spread. "From good - do not seek good"

              Do you think this is good?
              [thumb] https://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2017-

              Neither one has anything to do with Russia. You have illustrated Catholicism. Orthodoxy in Russia.
              1. Standard
                Standard 28 November 2017 15: 36
                +4
                Quote: Wend
                You have illustrated Catholicism. Orthodoxy in Russia.

                You arranged a cognitive dissonance. Or, as they say now, a brain explosion.
                wink On a military review!
            3. Reserve officer
              Reserve officer 28 November 2017 12: 05
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              About the "servants of God." That’s what they call it, it’s nothing. For example, in the Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg, even an edict in a frame hangs on the wall. For those who wish to be baptized. First you need to realize yourself as a servant of God, and then - please pay for services and be baptized to your health.
              But here I agree with the forum users - it is better to engage in church propaganda in the church itself. Far from everywhere it is appropriate. In addition to the theses on freedom of speech and religion, the Constitution also states that the church is separate from the state. So there is no need to go into all spheres of life with these questions. Such restless "agitators" achieve, in fact, the opposite effect.
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid 28 November 2017 13: 49
                +7
                Dear Alexey! I re-read the article 2 times. The sense of disgust was replaced by a feeling of disgust and anger. The thoughts about the stake boy and his mentors (whom I saw in the plots), so surprised and so innocent, creep into my head. And as for the dsk comment, you are absolutely right, the situation is absurd: "" I came by myself, I poke myself, I impose on whom I want! "". This is not the position of Orthodoxy and not for the Military Review. Or --- flood, or --- chatter: the branch went away from the article!
              2. Standard
                Standard 28 November 2017 15: 34
                +1
                Quote: Reserve officer
                Church propaganda is best done in the church itself.

                Certainly.
                Can we talk about God, reserve officer?
              3. a housewife
                a housewife 29 November 2017 16: 05
                +2
                In ancient times, a slave meant a little different than we are used to now. The slave is to work. One root. Not to be confused with a slave! He has no will. A slave is one who works. For someone, for something. Who do you work for? In a broad sense! For a family, for children, for oneself, for an economy, for an owner, for a homeland, for justice, for peace? To God? You can work for God only in the highest, moral sense of the word. In this sense, believers are God's Slaves, and only voluntary! And, being a servant of God, one can successfully carry out any activity if it does not contradict God's Laws. The Crusades, the Inquisition, that kind of "activity" contradicts the laws of God. Whatever these inquisitors were hiding behind.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 29 November 2017 21: 29
                  +1
                  On industry and on yourself.
                  1. a housewife
                    a housewife 30 November 2017 10: 49
                    +1
                    Hence, a slave to industry and its needs.
          2. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 28 November 2017 09: 54
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            Not respected lieutenant Teterin. All your lies about the camps and so on have already snapped up, so I won’t even comment on all your feverish nonsense. There is a fact that I cited in the comments above. It was the Soviet man who created everything that we still use, including you. Yes, all this was created not without camps and scarabs, I admit, but otherwise it would have been impossible to do anything else in such a short time and in those conditions.
            And your ROC does not lead the people to the light of knowledge, but to fool the people and obey the powers that be. The church has always suppressed, and cruelly suppressed any dissent. And this is an indisputable fact. So the forest is not respected, go through the forest until the wind is without stones.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 10: 30
              +7
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              All your lies about camps and stuff have already sore

              And what is the lie, if you yourself admit that
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              all this was created not without camps and scarabs,
              ?

              Quote: Varyag_0711
              about another in such a short time and in those conditions, nothing could be done.

              Maybe. And as possible. The examples of the USA, Britain, and even Nazi Germany damned by all show that it was possible to develop without camps. Scientists in these countries worked freely and worked successfully. The French, Americans and British did not have camps, and the development of science in them went faster in some areas than the Germans did. And an example of the growth of the defense industry during the WWII in Russia convincingly proves that you can develop a country without camps and scarabs.
              And yes, I would like to remind you that it was such fiercely defended camps that caused the death of the brilliant Sergei Pavlovich Korolev. He died during the operation because doctors could not organize artificial ventilation of the lungs due to an improperly jointed jaw. Illiterate camp doctors, and this jaw was broken - an overly zealous coward- "investigator" from the NKVD, who sought to knock testimony out of yet another "enemy of the people." And how many more brilliant people died at the hands of such punishers and stupid doctors, not having time to reveal their talent?
              Quote: Varyag_0711
              And your ROC does not lead the people to the light of knowledge, but to fool the people and obey the powers that be.

              Your words are supposedly copied from a leftist or neopagan agitation. Have you heard at least one sermon of a modern priest? I doubt it. I am an Orthodox Christian, and I declare to you responsibly - after each Liturgy in the modern Russian Orthodox Church, the priest reads a sermon - and there is nothing about the "powers that be" in these sermons. Priests talk about the need for Christians to fulfill the commandments of Christ, about attention to their behavior and attitude towards people, and about the need for people around them to pay attention and love. This is your fooling? An attempt to convey to people the idea of ​​respect for fellow citizens is a negative phenomenon for you?
              And as for the attitude to power - look if there is a desire for videos of priests Andrei Tkachev, George Maximov, Andrei Mitrofanov - they also include criticism of the authorities.
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              2. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 28 November 2017 13: 04
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                Lieutenant Teterin Today, 10:30 ↑
                Maybe. And as possible. The examples of the USA, Britain, and even Nazi Germany damned by all show that it was possible to develop without camps.
                Again a heap of lies and conjectures, as well as a distortion of historical realities. Neither in the United States nor in the territory of Britain were the hostilities of the WWII. In addition, these countries were industrialized even before the WWII. In the United States, during the Great Depression, workers were simply thrown out to die of hunger. There was no work, and the one that was was either poorly paid, or even forced to work for food. Losses of the US population from one famine ranged from 6 to 8 million people. Moreover, hunger was arranged absolutely consciously, i.e. the famine as such was not in the USSR (caused by the way artificially by the West), but was in the USA.
                “Few people know ... about five million American farmers (about a million families) at exactly the same time that the banks drove the land out of debt, but were not provided by the US government with either land, work, social assistance, or an old-age pension,” - the article says.
                “Every sixth American farmer has come under the rink of the famine. People were going nowhere, deprived of land, money, their own home, property — into the obscurity overwhelmed by mass unemployment and rampant banditry. ”
                What happened to American society in those years is perfectly shown by the movie "King Kong" directed by Peter Jackson. The first frames of the tape tell about the period of the Great Depression and tell us the story of an actress who did not eat for three days and tries to steal an apple from a tray. There is food in the city, but in New York, which is covered by total unemployment, people do not have money to buy it. With filled shops and colorful display cases of confectioneries and butchers, people on the streets are starving simply.
                And, at the same time, the US government was getting rid of surplus food that merchants could not sell. It is impossible to violate the laws of the market - that which is not bought is superfluous, to give it to the starving means to strike a blow at the business. Food, as Borisov notes, was destroyed "in a variety of ways and on a grand scale: grain was simply burned and drowned in the ocean." For example, 6.5 million pigs were destroyed and 10 million hectares of land were harvested. ”
                The consequences of such actions were natural, the author of the article notes. “Here are the true memories of the child about these years:
                “We replaced our usual favorite food with a more affordable one ... instead of cabbage, we used leaves of shrubs, ate frogs ... my mother and older sister died within a month ...” (Jack Griffin)
                Almost the same thing happened in England. And the capitalists found a way out, they made people work for food. But of course you haven’t heard anything about this, have you? Your overseas owners forbid you to even think about these crimes.
                As for Germany, its "economic miracle" is the result of huge injections of Western capital into the economy of the Third Reich to create a Nazi beast with one goal - an attack on the USSR. Hitler did not perform any miracle. In Germany, there was exactly the same hunger and poverty as in the United States and even worse, since the Germans imposed overwhelming reparations, which it was simply not possible to pay. And suddenly, with the advent of Hitler, a “miracle” occurs ... laughing Nu-nu, how do we know where such a "miracle" came from.
                And yes, I would like to remind you that it was such fiercely defended camps that caused the death of the brilliant Sergei Pavlovich Korolev.
                About the Queen, this is strong! Have you come up with or thought of yourself?
                Priests talk about the need for Christians to fulfill the commandments of Christ, about attention to their behavior and attitude towards people, and about the need for people around them to pay attention and love.
                Yeah, as soon as I see a “true believer” on the site, so from him “love for one’s neighbor” gushes forth a stream of hatred and feces towards those who do not share his point of view on religion.
                Again a lie, Mr. not respected, having appropriated to himself not existing rank!
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 37
                  +8
                  Well, what do you want ... a man invented a world for himself, came up with a title and a name. This already characterizes it as not quite normal. He didn’t read authors like Jack London. A piece of meat is an excellent illustration of that time. And about the Queen, they do not want these pseudo-lords to think ... it’s necessary to find where this duck came from to read to find out the source .. they are gods, why do they need it ..
                2. tv70
                  tv70 2 December 2017 19: 25
                  +1
                  That damn, the feelings of believers, therefore, you can not offend, but mine, you can atheist. They came up with a cool law, one-sided like that.
              3. weksha50
                weksha50 28 November 2017 21: 28
                +4
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Have you heard at least one sermon of a modern priest? I doubt it. I am an Orthodox Christian, and I declare to you responsibly - after each Liturgy in the modern Russian Orthodox Church, the priest reads a sermon - and there is nothing about the "powers that be" in these sermons. Priests talk about the need for Christians to fulfill the commandments of Christ, about attention to their behavior and attitude towards people, and about the need for people around them to pay attention and love. This is your fooling?


                No, no ... In modern language, this is MANIPULATION ... Or, neuro-linguistic programming ... flocks ... God's slaves ...

                Well, about thousands and even millions of those driven into camps and killed ... Well, Solzhenitsyn’s shadow appeared ...
                Firstly, these terrible figures have long been refuted ...
                And, secondly, without such camps such a powerful country would not have been built ...
                And it is not necessary to say that the United States and Germany dispensed with the camps when they forged their economy ... They also had their own "mechanisms" and "methods" ... Too long and unnecessary conversation ... hi
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        2. your1970
          your1970 30 November 2017 08: 46
          +1
          Quote: Varyag_0711
          What did the pop do? Pop served his whole life for the benefit of himself and those who hold power. In tsarist times, the church was the largest landowner, but this is half the trouble, the trouble is that the church owned slaves, yes, yes, those same serfs. The church was always on the servant of the slave owners, the church taught the people obedience to their masters, the church always called the people a slave, not God's children, but slaves. The church, and now thanks to people like you, is trying to inspire people to submit to the new masters, the church is leading to a dullness of the gray mass, replacing the light of science with its dogmas.

          CODE OF CRIMINAL AND CORRECTIVE PUNISHMENTS 1845 (the article was valid until 1905)
          "198. Parents who, by law, are obligated to raise their children in the Orthodox faith, will baptize them or lead them to other sacraments and raise them according to the rituals of another Christian confession, are awarded for this: to imprisonment for one to two years "Their children are given up for education to the relatives of the Orthodox Confession, or, in the absence of these, appointed for this purpose guardians from the government, also of the Orthodox faith."
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 28 November 2017 09: 46
        10
        Quote: dsk
        During the 2000 years of Christianity, including 1000 years, Orthodoxy has experienced so much persecution, persecution, and torture that only the real help of God can explain its spread. "From good - do not seek good"

        Do you think this is good?

        V. Tsoi has a song called "A Star named the Sun." It contains the following words: "... two thousand years of war, war without special reasons ..." The reason (hidden from the majority) is in the forced enslavement of peoples by the cross-bearing. That is why they are so tenacious because they themselves organize all the atrocities.


        On this topic.
        Socialism with us was different for every leader. Just socialism, developed socialism and socialism with a human face ... So who likes what? To me the one that was under Stalin.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 28 November 2017 11: 16
          +3
          They forgot to mention military communism.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 28 November 2017 11: 28
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            They forgot to mention military communism.

            Well then communism, but I'm talking about socialism laughing
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 28 November 2017 11: 36
              +2
              I never could understand why with the construction of socialism (the stages you mentioned), everyone started drinking drunkenly, as this construction itself began.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 28 November 2017 12: 39
                +4
                Quote: bober1982
                I never could understand why with the construction of socialism (the stages you mentioned), everyone started drinking drunkenly, as this construction itself began.

                Alcohol, tobacco and other drugs are the weapon of genocide (the fifth priority of management). After the assassination of Stalin, it was vital for the Trotskyists to discredit socialism to such an extent that it would taunt the people so much that when the destruction of the country began, the people joyfully spilled the Royal alcohol and looked with naked eyes at the naked overseas divas staring at us with their charms from all the cracks ...
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 28 November 2017 13: 04
                  +2
                  Probably it was all easier - the Soviet people saw the whole lie of what was called socialism.
                  1. Standard
                    Standard 28 November 2017 15: 31
                    0
                    Quote: bober1982
                    Soviet man saw the whole lie of what was called socialism.

                    Not this way. Soviet people believed that socialism in Sweden (that's why?). And we have state capitalism.
                    And so it was.
                  2. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 40
                    +4
                    and therefore it thumped ... here’s the paradox, now there are no tips and thumps have become even more .. yes, and under the tsar-father they drank to the cross .. surely the tips are also to blame ..
      4. Standard
        Standard 28 November 2017 16: 52
        0
        Quote: dsk
        the original is the Ten Commandments

        and the commandments of bliss?
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 29 November 2017 16: 09
          +1
          These are not commandments. And there are actually only two commandments. Those ten that everyone loves to remember so much are just their component.
    3. Fitter65
      Fitter65 28 November 2017 13: 09
      +5
      Quote: Dead Day
      Yes, I'm Soviet. on the fact of birth and worldview. I'm proud of.

      I’m the same. Moreover, when I served in the SGV, now it’s NATO Poland, I knew that being RADETSKY (SOVIET) is Proud!
      Quote: dsk
      And he came to the firm conviction that the original - the "Ten Commandments", is better than a copy - the "code of the builder of communism."

      The code of the builder of communism is not a copy of the 10 commandments, it was the triumph of a free man over the grayness of being. And people with this code of communism built the Dnieper hydroelectric power station and KhTZ, Komsomolsk-on-Amur and Magnitogorsk, Surgut, Urengoy. These are the builders of communism who saved the world from the brown plague , from the very plague whose soldiers professing the 10 commandments of the Lord, carried the inscription "GOT MIT UNS" on the buckles of their belts - the very god who gave these 10 commandments said one that was NOT KILLING. And God was not even indignant when some Christians were other Christians they drove Majdanek and Auschwitz in the furnace. I don’t want to offend the feelings of true believers, as the classic said: "who believes in Mohammed, who in Allah, who in Issus ..", but I would like to ask you not to offend our feelings, the feelings of PEOPLE born and raised under the USSR.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 28 November 2017 06: 10
    +5
    Using the word "Soviet" in the title of these notes, I was well aware that many people were sick of this word.
    Well, I'm not Pilyulkin, but the diagnosis is poisoning. The medicine should be castor oil.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 28 November 2017 07: 41
      +7
      maybe an enema? I remember one character from a seamstress fire miracles worked miracles ...
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 28 November 2017 17: 23
        +1
        Quote: long in stock.
        maybe an enema? I remember one character from a seamstress fire miracles worked miracles ...

        In no case (children can read. And then "With gramophone needles", with a scipedar, will begin here. Which is more useful, which is more effective)
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 28 November 2017 06: 13
    25
    (“No, this flag cannot be removed!” - said the “former” Soviet people, and the sickly-red-faced banner flew into the bin.) And you do not generalize the people and the authorities acting on behalf of the people. These are two completely different things. I still have the Soviet flag from the ship. And I don’t use it, and I don’t stick out the tricolor. Time will come and there will be some other flagged for the favorable ideology of power. And the people were, are, and will be. I was not ashamed of Afghanistan and the repressions were condemned. What else do you need? Again, repent? Do not wait. Let the authorities repent. The Soviet people everywhere, even in the Baltic states. I'm not talking about Asia. And they all bitterly regret that they destroyed the USSR. In 1986 Soviet people abroad were synonymous with Russian. For foreigners, we were all Russian. And the people were proud of it.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 28 November 2017 06: 17
      27
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      Repent again

      I don’t have to repent! I still lived under Stalin. And the Soviet red flag is behind the windshield!
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 28 November 2017 06: 23
      +9
      [Chapter 1, Soviet people: propaganda myth or historical reality?]


      Hmm ... the author wrote a book on the verge of provocation to everything Soviet ...
      it is necessary to comprehend his work ... immediately so reasoned and you will not answer the author what ... but still he has an interesting way of thinking.
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 28 November 2017 21: 35
      +4
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      The time will come and there will be some other flag, sharpened by a favorable ideology of power.And the people, were, are, and will be


      The time will come - and the flag (the Soviet one that you keep at home) will come in handy ... History develops in a spiral ... hi
  4. populist
    populist 28 November 2017 06: 28
    +4
    The topics raised in the article are voluminous and complex. S. Kara-Murza wrote interestingly and in sufficient detail about Soviet civilization in his many books.
    1. xtur
      xtur 28 November 2017 21: 33
      +2
      > S. Kara-Murza wrote about the Soviet civilization interestingly and in sufficient detail in his numerous books.

      Yes, he has a lot of very interesting and important conclusions, but there are many inconsistent things, alas
  5. moskowit
    moskowit 28 November 2017 06: 38
    16
    "Read, envy, I, Citizen of the Soviet Union!" (V. Mayakovsky)
  6. Mwg
    Mwg 28 November 2017 07: 01
    +9
    Do not mix the Soviet people and the Soviet government together. Not the people, but someone from the government gave orders to enter Afghanistan, to cut down vineyards, to export food for stores to landfills, to withdraw troops to the White House Someone from the government oversaw the abandonment of property and weapons in Eastern Europe and the collapse of the military block of the Warsaw Pact, stealing money through fake memos, advocated worship of the dollar. Do not blame the people indiscriminately. We can only trust those whom we once trusted and whose decisions we cannot influence. We were all betrayed, and betrayed cynically, with smiles and assurances of concern for us. This is the year 1991.
    "The fact that what happened in Russia in 1917 was not just a coup." - It was precisely a coup, and exactly the same as in 1991 and exactly with the same technologies: the top was bribed, intimidated, deceived - they took away the will to resist. The lower classes deceived, tied with blood.
    Both coups are aimed at the destruction of the people living in Russia. BUT. The Lord sent in due time STALIN, and some time later, PUTIN.
    And the battle continues again ....
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 28 November 2017 07: 29
      17
      Quote: MVG
      and some time later, PUTIN.

      They wrote well, but they didn’t finish well. Putin to Stalin-as to China ... sideways! laughing
      1. Vasya Vassin
        Vasya Vassin 28 November 2017 08: 18
        +5
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Quote: MVG
        and some time later, PUTIN.

        They wrote well, but they didn’t finish well. Putin to Stalin-as to China ... sideways! laughing

        And not at all sideways! Quite ...
      2. Mwg
        Mwg 28 November 2017 09: 43
        +5
        For Ingvar 72.
        Nothing, let him train. No one else, anyway
      3. moskowit
        moskowit 28 November 2017 17: 30
        +2
        My senior friend Nikolai Aleksandrovich, Knight of the Order of Glory and two medals For Courage, used to say: "As before China, barefoot ..." Why "barefoot", did not explain .....
    2. dSK
      dSK 28 November 2017 08: 03
      +6
      Hello Valery!
      Quote: MVG
      The Lord sent in due time

      Young Russia at one time the Lord sent the holy noble prince Alexander Nevsky, according to strengthened people's prayers. Because there was only hope in God's mercy. The Golden Horde did not spare anyone, only Moscow burned four times. Two hundred years fought back. The great Russian language shines through. "Full belly to prayer is deaf" At the beginning of the last century, as theologian Aleksey Osipov says, some professors - theologians did not believe in God, not to mention the seminarians, there were cases when monks lived with women, etc., "Pharisee" in one word. When everything begins to crumble and fall, we recall the Creator. "Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself ". The Lord does not impose himself on anyone, "free will, and heaven saved ". hi
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 28 November 2017 08: 16
        12
        Quote: dsk
        The Lord does not impose himself on anyone

        Well are you imposing yourself on us? are you in the service?
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          1. Standard
            Standard 28 November 2017 13: 12
            +1
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            in VO people are mostly educated and have seen life

            Not every smile life, see, seen ...
        2. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 09: 37
          +5
          But is there nothing that among the military there are many Christians who need a priest-confessor? He works with believers, without “imposing” anything on anyone.
          1. Alex_59
            Alex_59 28 November 2017 09: 43
            12
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            But is there nothing that among the military there are many Christians who need a priest-confessor?

            There are no atheists in the trenches, this is true. Only one question - how did they survive in the Second World War without confessors, but now does it? I’m not required intermediaries to communicate with him.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 28 November 2017 11: 26
              +2
              Quote: Alex_59
              The only one question is how in the Second World War they survived without confessors, but now in any way?

              And what is the difference between an atheist or a person who does not need mediators, as you said, and a believer?
              And the only difference is that the believer is trying to restore order in the soul, including getting rid of mental servitude, he has someone to report to, unlike atheists.
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 28 November 2017 11: 49
                +7
                Quote: bober1982
                And the only difference is that the believer is trying to restore order in the soul, including getting rid of mental servitude, he has someone to report to, unlike atheists.

                Was this God personally told you, or an intermediary? If a mediator, then this is just the opinion of an ordinary person, but there is no faith for a person. Maybe his devil is tempting, how do I know?
                If you thought of it yourself, then this is just your personal opinion, but I have my own opinion. We are equal.
                Quote: bober1982
                And what is the difference between an atheist or a person who does not need mediators, as you said, and a believer?

                I have a different answer. The difference is that a person who does not need mediators is free from judgments imposed by the mediator and all kinds of formal rituals. And a person who needs a mediator is most likely not able to think independently - he needs someone to chew on him the truths by which he needs to live. Consequently, a person who needs a mediator becomes dependent on the will of this mediator, while the mediator is the same person with his inherent sins and delusions. It turns out that some usurp the right to "correctly" interpret God's word for others. What kind of faith is this? This is a system, hierarchy, administrative apparatus. And you need to believe in God, and not a man in a cassock. You can listen to a man in a cassock, because he can be wise, but this is not because he is in a cassock, but because he is one of the people, and among people there are wise people. And I try to restore order in my soul no less than yours.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 28 November 2017 12: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  If you yourself thought of

                  "Intermediaries" suggested honestly.
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  And then you need to believe in God, and not a man in a cassock.

                  This is heresy - Martin Luther, Protestantism, sects and human pride, this is a rebellion against God.
                  Quote: Alex_59
                  And I try to restore order in my soul no less than yours.

                  I believe, but without ......... hierarchy, administrative apparatus (as you called), it won’t work out.
                  1. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 28 November 2017 12: 05
                    +6
                    Quote: bober1982
                    This is heresy

                    What heresy is this? Do you have to believe in God? It is necessary. Do not believe in Putin. If anything, you can always turn to God in your thoughts. A mediator in a cassock will definitely not follow me constantly. And it will not crawl into every trench under bombardment - remember Bondarchuk in "They Fought for the Motherland"? Somehow he turned to God without intermediaries. And you heresy ...
                    Quote: bober1982
                    I believe, but without ......... the hierarchy, the administrative apparatus (as you called), will fail.

                    I get it.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 28 November 2017 12: 24
                      +2
                      Quote: Alex_59
                      I get it.

                      And if this is just the tricks of the same individual (which tempts), he is a big joker, the “intermediaries” do not approve of such confidence, they call it charm.
                      1. Alex_59
                        Alex_59 28 November 2017 13: 11
                        +6
                        Quote: bober1982
                        And if this is just the tricks of the same individual (which tempts), he is a big joker, the “intermediaries” do not approve of such confidence, they call it charm.

                        Intermediaries do not approve because they are afraid of being left without work. This is normal. Yes, and even according to your ideas, I have all the rules - I hope in God, but I’m not crying, and once again I’m not bothering anyone with my problems, either God or the priests. There will be a case that my forces will leave me - then maybe I will turn.
                      2. Standard
                        Standard 28 November 2017 13: 24
                        0
                        Quote: bober1982
                        "intermediaries" do not approve of such confidence, they call it charm.

                        But in the beginning only Jesus Christ was called the Mediator - as the Mediator from the Creator and Almighty to man. It became possible to depict "through the image of Jesus Christ."
                        It’s not clear how, for what reason, the confessors were recorded as “mediators”.
                    2. Standard
                      Standard 28 November 2017 13: 26
                      0
                      Quote: Alex_59
                      I get it.

                      So, you have a different hierarchy and especially - the administrative apparatus.
                      Man at the present time can only choose, and refuse him - nowhere. You can use the concept of the Fullness of the Church - then the Hierarchy is for you a spiritual and administrative apparatus too. (Details by Dionysius the Areopagite in "On the Church Hierarchy"). So your delusion about "and all for nothing" do not propagandize further. So as not to lose ....
            2. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 11: 48
              +4
              Quote: Alex_59
              Only one question - how did they survive in the Second World War without confessors,

              And in the Crimean and Patriotic 1812 there were confessors. The confessor, if you do not understand, this is not a Jedi Knight or a fantasy battle mage. A confessor is a priest who is the spiritual mentor of a Christian, helps him to understand difficult moral or life situations. To deal first of all with oneself, with the internal moral and psychological state. Have you ever thought about the fact that in the armies of the 18-19 centuries there was no such thing as an “Afghan” or “Vietnamese” syndrome? The confessors are not mediators, but helpers.
              1. Alex_59
                Alex_59 28 November 2017 11: 56
                +8
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                A confessor is a priest who is the spiritual mentor of a Christian, helps him to understand difficult moral or life situations.

                I got it. It is almost like a political instructor in the Red Army, with the only difference being that the political instructor can also command, fight.
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Have you ever thought about the fact that in the armies of the 18 – 19 centuries there was no such thing as an “Afghan” or “Vietnamese” syndrome?
                I thought about it. The fact is that at that time medicine for any syndromes of the participants in the hostilities was deep ... how to put it something culturally ... spit in general. From a high bell tower. Then a lot of things were not there. Cancer for example. Well, people did not live up to cancer, and if they died from it, then someone will figure out what exactly it was cancer - a servant of God was appointed, and okay.
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                And in the Crimean and Patriotic 1812 there were confessors.

                Yeah. Obviously, something went wrong in the Crimean, RJP and PMV. Political officers in the Second World War apparently did better. The result is more noticeable.
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 12: 14
                  +1
                  Yet you did not understand me. A political instructor is a person who explained to a soldier who should be hated and what the party’s line was. The confessor does not do this. His task is to take care of the spiritual life of a particular person. Politics and martial arts training are not its competence.
                  Regarding medicine, I agree. But society didn’t notice anything like that either. But the officers who left their memoirs about the wars of those years went in bayonets along with ordinary soldiers.
                  By the way, to the Crimean one, we quite successfully thwarted such sickly coalition plans to tear the Caucasus and southern provinces away from Russia. And in the Far East, they fought off the English squadron.
                  As for the RIA, there are rather questions about the quality of the command staff. But the soldiers and chief officers showed themselves worthy. Look for information about the battle at Jinzhou.
                  And again, the task of the confessor is to ensure the moral and psychological state of the soldier, and not combat training.
                  1. Alex_59
                    Alex_59 28 November 2017 15: 48
                    +4
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    Regarding medicine, I agree. But society didn’t notice anything like that either. But the officers who left their memoirs about the wars of those years went in bayonets along with ordinary soldiers.

                    After all, after the Second World War, there was no “syndrome” in the complete absence of confessors.
                    Not a good example with syndromes. Vietnam is generally past the cash register - there the country has never been deprived of the institutes of military priests, and there is quite a syndrome. In the Apocalypse of Coppola, just in the scene with a landing in the village, prayer at the front line is shown. Afghanistan - the very phenomenon of the syndrome is greatly swollen, and the scale is not that frankly. The war in Vietnam was many times larger and worse.
                    Well, what is the result: Patriotic, there are confessors, there is no syndrome, there is a victory. RYAV, confessors there, no syndrome, no victory. PMV, confessors are, there is no syndrome, there is no victory. Vietnam, there are confessors, there is a syndrome, there is no victory. BOB, there are no confessors, there is no syndrome, there is a victory. WWII, confessors are, there is no syndrome, there is a victory. Afghanistan, there are no confessors, there is a syndrome, there is no victory. NO relationship from the word at all.
            3. Standard
              Standard 28 November 2017 13: 18
              +2
              Obviously, you don’t know about the “prayers” of the soldiers.
              You do not even suspect the power of conciliar prayer. But the churches were opened by decree of Stalin.
              You - like so many "church-illiterate" - use some kind of extremely simple idea of ​​religion (any, by the way).
              It is possible to explain by the example of the CPSU — this is a quasi-religious organization, with so on. religious studies. But with religious - a true religious organization.
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 28 November 2017 08: 54
        +6
        Quote: dsk
        "Full belly to prayer is deaf"

        At one time, the old komeska taught in what condition it is necessary to fly, namely - experiencing a slight feeling of hunger, not hungry - this is unacceptable, namely with this small feeling. In this case, clarity of mind appears.
        In aviation, God was always respected.
        1. novel66
          novel66 28 November 2017 09: 55
          +6
          so there is a stone's throw away (in every sense)
      3. Mwg
        Mwg 28 November 2017 09: 52
        +3
        For dsk.
        It is doubtful that your god of Russia would benefit. No, I do not believe it. Russia has its own god.
        And about the Horde - I do not believe. And I don’t believe professors. Yes, and Alexander Nevsky, most likely, was not the one we were all told about, and he didn’t do what they were insistently telling about.
      4. Boris55
        Boris55 28 November 2017 11: 00
        +5
        Quote: dsk
        Young Russia at one time the Lord sent the holy noble prince Alexander Nevsky, according to strengthened people's prayers.

        A. Nevsky was not a Christian. He just fought with the cross bearers and won a famous victory.
        1. Lieutenant Teterin
          Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 12: 42
          +1
          Here is a discovery! The prince canonized by the Church was not a Christian ??? This is nonsense abruptly Fomenkovschiny.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 28 November 2017 12: 45
            +4
            Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
            This is nonsense abruptly Fomenkovschiny.

            Is this the same nonsense? Try to tell them this in person, and then I'll look at yours laughing


            If the prince of Kiev adopted Christianity, this does not mean that in all the other principalities of Russia, everyone instantly became Christians.
            1. Lieutenant Teterin
              Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 15: 03
              0
              My dear, I didn’t drink with you on the Brudershaft, so you will poke in a different place to other people.
              The "icon" of Dzhugashvili is nonsense. And to the fanatics, I am ready to say it in person. The inadequate Eurasian Prokhanov has long been worn with the idea of ​​canonizing a murderer and an organizer of persecution of Christians. And by the way, I, too, have long wanted to look into his eyes and say a couple of affectionate words.
              Prince of Kiev is the head of all Russia. And his will — was the law for all of Russia. And St. Alexander Nevsky from the time of the Baptism of Russia was separated by 2,5 centuries.
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 28 November 2017 15: 21
                +4
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                I didn’t drink at the broodershaft, so you’ll poke in another place

                After meeting them, it will no longer be yours face laughing
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                Prince of Kiev is the head of all Russia.

                Who told you that? About internecine warfare, what did the thread hear?
                If you are ready to change your beliefs like gloves, then you should not think that with the same ease our ancestors changed their faith, the faith of their ancestors to a newcomer, Western faith.
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                And St. Alexander Nevsky from the time of the Baptism of Russia was separated by 2,5 centuries.

                If you are not in the know, then today we have both the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian Orthodox Church. Since the Nikon reforms, how many centuries has it passed?
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 18: 20
                  0
                  Quote: Boris55
                  About internecine warfare, what did the thread hear?

                  You should at least look at the school textbook. See when there was Baptism, and when — feudal fragmentation into separate principalities. And to understand that they have been separated for hundreds of years.
                  In fact, Christianity came to Russia from the south, from Byzantium, from where you came up with about the "zapadestvo" I can’t imagine.
                  And yes, I, unlike the Communists who enlist in the Democrats all my life, have been and am a staunch conservative monarchist.
                  I heard about ROCOR, but you are clearly not aware of the restoration of liturgical communion between the ROC and ROCOR.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 28 November 2017 19: 00
                    +3
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    See when there was Baptism, and when — feudal fragmentation into separate principalities

                    The so-called feudal fragmentation and generally accepted civil wars were nothing more than a war for the faith of the ancestors against the faith of the newcomers.
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    And yes, I, unlike the Communists who enlist in the Democrats all my life, have been and am a staunch conservative monarchist.

                    So you are ideological laughing
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    I heard about ROCOR

                    I'm not talking about foreign ones, I'm talking about the local Old Believers RPСC.
                    http://rpsc.ru/news/interview_ura-ru_2017/


                    Where Christianity came to us from and where it came from - I won’t go deep.
                    1. Lieutenant Teterin
                      Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 19: 22
                      0
                      Quote: Boris55
                      The so-called feudal fragmentation and generally accepted civil wars were nothing more than a war for the faith of the ancestors against the faith of the newcomers.

                      Excuse me, do you seriously believe in this nonsense or are you just trying to troll? The events we talked about are more than a hundred years apart, do you understand this or not? To speak of a “war for the faith of ancestors” is the same as repeating the theses of Fomenko-Nosovsky.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 28 November 2017 19: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                        The events we talked about are more than a hundred years apart,

                        We have gone too far from the topic.
              2. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 28 November 2017 15: 22
                15
                Lieutenant Teterin Today, 15:03 ↑
                The inadequate Eurasian Prokhanov has long been worn with the idea of ​​canonizing a murderer and an organizer of persecution of Christians. And by the way, I, too, have long wanted to look into his eyes and say a couple of affectionate words.
                About the killers I wrote to you above. The most murderers are your overseas masters.
                But about Prokhanov, your gut is thin. He, unlike you, has been in almost all conflicts and, like you, consumes dozens for breakfast. laughing laughing laughing
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 18: 52
                  +1
                  Do you know how easy it is to define a Soviet person by the style of speech? When he has nothing to say, he speaks in his speech about “masters”, “wreckers”, “Trotskyists”, etc. Because for the Soviet brain, even the shadow of the thought that the opponent can afford to think freely and independently — without looking at the leaders, the party, the commissars and the like nonsense, is seditious.
                  And with your definition of Prokhanov, I laugh out loud. What conflicts did he participate in? He went to the rear as a correspondent. Such prokhanovs with people like me try once again not to meet his eyes.))
                  His literary feces are full of psychedelic images based on pseudo-eroticism. There are not books, but ready-made material for doctors.
                  And here is a quote, look for his interview:
                  It is the same. The war we won had enormous metaphysical aspects. It was a war for the vertical connecting heaven and earth. And our fighters, attack aircraft, which fought with the Messerschmitts, fought for this vertical, and by 1944 we had achieved air supremacy. This sparkling vertical connected the Russian army with these celestial hordes of militants. The surgeon is a man of the earth only in part, it is a celestial man. Look in the face, there is something angelic in the face, this is a storm angel. And when wolves get on these terrible, monstrous, rattling cars - these are only partly motorcycles. Moreover, they squeeze these cars with their buttocks and turn them into hordes of retaliation. They rush along the earth, sowing good and punishing evil.

                  https://life.ru/t/звук/821825?utm_source=rusnovos
                  ti & utm_campaign = redirect
                  Do you really think that a person saying this is adequate?
                  1. Varyag_0711
                    Varyag_0711 28 November 2017 20: 06
                    14
                    Lieutenant Teterin Today, 18:52 ↑ New
                    Such prokhanovs with people like me try once again not to meet his eyes.))
                    Oh, dear mother, "rzhunimagu palestatsstol" ... laughing laughing laughing What kind of people are you like? Compared to Prokhanov, you are zero without a wand. negative This he will pass and will not notice you because of the baseboard. request
                    Because for the Soviet brain, even the shadow of the thought that the opponent can afford to think freely and independently — without looking at the leaders, the party, the commissars and the like nonsense, is seditious.
                    All “your thoughts” are like a carbon copy of liberal-mattress slogans, so you don’t have any thoughts of your own, you are the usual mouthpiece of pro-Western propaganda, no more. And do not flatter yourself, as a person you do not represent anything outstanding, an ordinary troll no more.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 28 November 2017 20: 20
                      +4
                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      All “your thoughts” are like a carbon copy of liberal-mattress slogans,

                      Quote: Varyag_0711
                      You are nothing outstanding, an ordinary troll is nothing more.

                      Definitely!
                    2. Aleksandr_5
                      Aleksandr_5 29 November 2017 18: 20
                      +1
                      Yes - Ugh on him! A person with a crappy upbringing cannot be fixed!
              3. Standard
                Standard 28 November 2017 17: 12
                +3
                Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                "Icon" Dzhugashvili


                Here you have no understanding.
                This is an icon of the Generalissimo of the Soviet Union. Primarily.
                (This is the military rank awarded to Stalin.
                And in response, Stalin redirected this title to the entire Soviet people).

                When it comes to Icons, the full meaning is important.
                1. Lieutenant Teterin
                  Lieutenant Teterin 28 November 2017 19: 18
                  +1
                  Don't talk nonsense. “Redirected”, “People” ... Do you even understand what an icon is or not? If not, I’ll tell you briefly. Icons are written in honor of those who are revered by the Christian Church — God, angels, saints. Joseph Dzhugashvili was an atheist, a fighter, and an organizer of persecution of Christians, so an icon in honor of this man according to all canons is impossible. Anyone who tries to call his images icons consciously or, through ignorance, violates the norms of canon law. Yes, common sense too.
                  1. Standard
                    Standard 29 November 2017 12: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: Lieutenant Teterin
                    . Icons are written in honor of those who are revered by the Christian Church — God, angels, saints.


                    Just not "in honor", but for prayer, basically. For communication with the spiritual world.
                    You probably know at least something about St. Nicholas the Wonderworker. He was a real person, his biography has been studied in more detail, but there are only two icons (types of image): the Miracle Worker and the Archbishop of the World of Lycian. The rest of life is in stigmas.
                    So it is here: the entire biography (by the way, poorly known) - separately. And for the icon, the Winner, the King of Glory, the Generalissimo of the Soviet Union is important.
                    Someday you will be able to understand this. If you want.
  7. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 28 November 2017 07: 15
    10
    You do not have to be a visionary to understand what this article is about in the first paragraph. I read the article, I was not mistaken - an example of anti-Soviet, anti-communist propaganda, implicated in a blatant lie in the style of Goebbels. The author is looking for sponsors. And what is the price now? Anti-Sovietism.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 28 November 2017 07: 42
      +2
      Are you only to blame for what I want to eat?
    2. Standard
      Standard 28 November 2017 15: 27
      +2
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      I read the article, I was not mistaken -

      I will have to read. winked
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 28 November 2017 08: 11
    +7
    I want to say right away that I am not an ardent communist or a supporter of the revival of the Soviet system in one form or another.
    ... Well, yes ... I'm mine ... bourgeois ... smile
    1. novel66
      novel66 28 November 2017 09: 56
      +7
      a barrel of jam and a box of cookies!
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 28 November 2017 12: 33
        +3
        Yeah ... In the Bundestag, preparing to speak, not otherwise. He feels sick from the Soviet, thinks so, that maybe he feels better from the German? "Laurels" bad boy from Urengoy do not give rest.
      2. long in stock.
        long in stock. 28 November 2017 16: 10
        +2
        you’ll catch a larger barrel of diabetes ..
        1. novel66
          novel66 28 November 2017 18: 06
          +5
          good you are like a hangover lol
  9. Alex_59
    Alex_59 28 November 2017 08: 30
    +3
    Maximalism is a noticeable (and probably the most harmful) feature of the national character of Soviet man.
    Even deeper. This is generally a feature from ancient times is present. "All or nothing". In certain conditions it helps, but in certain conditions it harms. The late USSR was seriously ill, but it was customary for patients to help so that they recovered, and not as they did in our case. They decided to kill the patient with a runny nose.
  10. Gardamir
    Gardamir 28 November 2017 08: 38
    +8
    And what did we do when we learned the truth about Afghanistan and the Stalinist camps?
    Does everyone know what the current good-natured government did in 1993? Population optimization. And the words of Sobyanin about 15 million extra people. The power of the cannibals.
    1. solzh
      solzh 28 November 2017 09: 15
      +8
      when did you learn the truth about Afghanistan and the Stalinist camps?

      Hello! I did not understand what the author wanted to say with a quote? The truth about Afghanistan, what and what have we learned? The truth about repression, it has already been proven that for the most part all lies. Anti-Soviet hysteria got it.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 28 November 2017 10: 44
        +4
        Anti-Soviet hysteria got
        I agree, only it's time to present the expense of the current government. Destroying socialism, what did the current government give?
        1. Standard
          Standard 28 November 2017 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          Destroying socialism, what did the current government give?


          There is another meaning in what happened.
          Once Igor Shafarevich wrote a very reasoned work on Socialism. The main conclusion: Socialism arises only in societies going (rushing) to death. A kind of replacement for Death. This means that the hungry for Socialism are pushing our Society to death (hardly realizing it. But maybe intentionally).
          In com. there is no theory of socialism. There is communism. This is our "notion" of the transition phase. For "from the dictatorship of the proletariat" it is very suitable in terms of the number of Deaths.
          The current government has forgotten such words. And good. Need other words. About life.
          1. xtur
            xtur 28 November 2017 21: 45
            +2
            > Once Igor Shafarevich wrote a very reasoned work about Socialism.

            The theory of ethnogenesis, on which Shafarevich very much relied, is an essentially physical theory, in fact - about non-stationary processes in open systems. But Shafarevich is a mathematician, they are behind physicists about a century different, in the understanding of those abstractions that physicists use. This is not because they lack the level of abstract thinking, but because they are too divorced from life, and physicists study life.
            That is, I want to say that with all his intelligence and intellectual courage, Shafarevich did not understand L. Gumilyov’s theory of ethnogenesis, and therefore could not describe his discovery in its terms - "small people". And therefore his conclusions must be taken with caution

            There is Molotkov’s theory that planning was characteristic of all the great empires in history, excluding the Roman Empire - for Egypt, Sumer, Babylon, China ...
    2. Alex_59
      Alex_59 28 November 2017 09: 33
      +6
      Quote: Gardamir
      And the words of Sobyanin about 15 million extra people.

      Without feeling any sympathy for Sobyanin, it is still worth noting that his phrase is taken out of context and intentionally distorted. Chel said that on our collective farms there are 15 millions of people sitting and thumping without work, whom it would not be bad to take something useful. And in this context, he does not look so cannibalistic, and one can even agree with him on this issue. (but only in this). And the power is yes, that one.
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 28 November 2017 11: 19
        0
        Quote: Alex_59
        Chel said that in our collective farms 15 million people sit and thump out of work, who would not be bad to take something useful

        In the near future, robotization will supplant low-performing physical labor. Robots will produce more products at lower cost, the cost of which will fall. To produce products for the sake of what would be, there is no sense whatsoever. Sooner or later, so that millions of people are not thrown to the sidelines of history and do not die of hunger, to ensure their purchasing power, to sell their products, a decision will be made to reduce working time, retirement time, relieve women from work for the sake of raising children, etc. while maintaining the minimum social cash payment (not to be confused with the cost of living) to all those not engaged in production - from just born to just deceased ... The volume of output should correspond to the volume of money supply. The only question is the principles of distribution of the latter.
        1. Alex_59
          Alex_59 28 November 2017 12: 01
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          In the near future, robotization will supplant low-performing physical labor.

          I’m talking about that. Why are they thumping there? Therefore, they are thumping now, and not in the near future, because automation is already replacing them. And then it will be replaced even more. In theory, they all need to bring down collective farms into the city and change their qualifications.
          Quote: Boris55
          Sooner or later, so that millions of people are not thrown to the sidelines and do not die of hunger, to ensure their purchasing power, to sell their products, a decision will be made to reduce working time, retirement time, relieve women from work for the sake of raising children, etc. while maintaining a minimum social cash payment

          This has already taken place in these of your Europe. Socialism and post-industrial society. We are still far from this, but with people like Kudrin and in general ...
  11. prior
    prior 28 November 2017 09: 01
    +1
    Flew to the fan!
  12. Alex66
    Alex66 28 November 2017 09: 58
    +5
    What is the article about? The fact that it does not matter which star to fly to (whether socialism, capitalism, slavery ...) is all the same, i.e. you can look at home before the telecom where others fly. The Americans realized their guilt in Vietnam, i.e. they didn’t repeat this anymore, are you serious? And in Afghanistan we not only fought, but also built, but not oats on the horse, although if it weren’t for Americans who knows. Nonsense is all this, there is truth and it is one all the rest of the variety is FALSE. And on the path of lies, you just will not reach the star.
    1. Standard
      Standard 28 November 2017 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Alex66
      there is truth and it is one all the rest of the variety is FALSE.

      Right So what's the truth, brother? (almost a quote)
  13. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 28 November 2017 10: 14
    +4
    Dear author, the article as a whole is true, it’s just not so with Afghanistan, and how far were the camps Stalinist?
    And yet, I did not quarrel with anyone, and therefore I have no one to reconcile with, my story is the history of the USSR, whatever it may be, which has passed into the history of Russia, whatever it may be. I have no contradictions inside. I treat the heroes of the Russian Empire, the Soviet Union and modern Russia equally well. Each time has its own heroes, only it should be real heroes and not the conjuncture. It's so easy to understand! I’m afraid that the author is trying in some way to substitute meanings, like Narochnitskaya, only uses other arguments. Carefully dear forum users.
  14. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 28 November 2017 11: 58
    +4
    And try to say "We are Soviet." To say without being ashamed of it and not boasting of it. Saying it is simply a statement of fact: this is our nationality

    Here is another regular victim of the "lack" of ideology in the article 13 of the RF Health Ministry! Reformatting the brain is in full swing. Thanks to the Putin party for this!
    The author, my nickname and flag on this site does not contradict what you got here?)
    And yes!
    Being not a member of the bourgeois Communist Party of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, I celebrated the 100 of the Great October Socialist Revolution, unlike your main ideologist, because I understand the importance of the transformations that took place in 1917, not only for Russia, but for the whole world.
    1. Standard
      Standard 28 November 2017 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: Sovetskiy
      Thanks to the Putin party for this!

      Have you forgotten 90?
      Or you weren’t there yet ...
      1. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 28 November 2017 16: 41
        +2
        Quote: Norma
        Quote: Sovetskiy
        Thanks to the Putin party for this!

        Have you forgotten 90?
        Or you weren’t there yet ...

        Have you been?
        After the “nineties” there were, if I am not mistaken, three attempts to assemble the Constitutional Council on changing the RF RF. All three failed. At the same time, from the Putin party itself, initiatives to change or supplement the RF RF are not coming from the word at all. They are completely satisfied with them.
        1. Standard
          Standard 28 November 2017 17: 23
          +1
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          After the “nineties” there were, if I am not mistaken, three attempts to assemble the Constitutional Council on changing the RF RF. All three failed.

          That would be your friends (at least one) in the Communist Party, you would know why Zyuganov does not take power. (that is, it makes no sense to vote).
          Because he will have to do the same.
          If you carefully, but “reconnoiter”, look at what was done under the name “Putin,” then assume that only now “the time has come”.
          BUT - as always - the economy again needs to be transferred to the military track.
          Once, the former prime minister Ryzhkov said that if the misfortunes of Chernobyl and Spitak had fallen now, then the 41st year would have seemed like flowers.
          Surely an excess, but the essence is clear.
          But specifically now there is hope for change.

          PS Communist Party-as the only alternative communist. Subtleties like "bourgeois" I do not consider. Till.
          1. Sotskiy
            Sotskiy 28 November 2017 17: 38
            +2
            Quote: Norma
            But specifically now there is hope for change.

            Your mouth ...)
            Let’s see how your “client” will respond to Bortko’s initiative on the next convocation of the Constitutional Council.
  15. Altona
    Altona 28 November 2017 13: 28
    +2
    If you understand the word "Soviet" is very primitive, then probably it is as in the article. If you take “Soviet” as based on the best examples of Russian culture and science, then you can build a completely different picture.
  16. bober1982
    bober1982 28 November 2017 13: 38
    +2
    Standard,
    I did not quite understand your words, it is always difficult to speak with atheists, or heretics, or sectarians. It is hard to argue, and the Holy Fathers do not recommend, but have to get involved. Judge for yourself, I could answer, but at best it will cause irritation.
    1. Storsh
      Storsh 28 November 2017 14: 49
      +3
      Quote: bober1982
      Standard, it is always difficult to speak with atheists, or heretics, or sectarians. It is difficult to argue, and the Holy Fathers do not recommend it.

      So do not say, humble yourself and humbly perceive the world around us in general and the opinions of other people in particular. am It seems so your teaching prescribes. Moreover, the "holy fathers" do not recommend. More than a thousand years brainwashing people am ! Your faith is only 2000 years old, and My, Our people are more than 5000 years older, and the beginning does not lead from the birth of Christ, but from the creation of the World. So grow to us first.
      1. bober1982
        bober1982 28 November 2017 14: 53
        +2
        Quote: Storsh
        Don't say that

        So I said .......could answer, I didn’t want to annoy anyone. What kind of angry you are.
        1. Storsh
          Storsh 28 November 2017 15: 00
          +2
          You know .... this forum is still not the place where Vera is discussed. Not worth it
          Quote: bober1982
          annoy anyone
          .
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 28 November 2017 15: 06
            +2
            And about the Soviet man-this same forum?
            1. Standard
              Standard 28 November 2017 17: 29
              +1
              Quote: bober1982
              And about the Soviet man-this same forum?


              Class !!!!!!!!!!
              Can we? And even Mogue smile
      2. Standard
        Standard 28 November 2017 15: 02
        +1
        Quote: Storsh
        Your faith is only 2000 years old, and My, Our people are more than 5000 years older, and the beginning does not lead from the birth of Christ, but from the creation of the World. So grow to us first.

        I AM - so say in such cases.
        What do you really know about the Christian faith? Only what will be shown in the cinema (such as "Shirley-Myrli"), let the same experts say like you.
        “My” people are, I hope, the Russian people? If some other, then the longest comment is not for you.
        Remember the episode from "Dog Heart" - where everyone sings NEW "chants". The essence of religiosity is in the ritual. This is brought to the heights in Islam.
        Any ritual - and with it ideology - is "morally outdated" (this was the case with communism in the USSR). And then a new ideology appears = a new FAITH. And it all starts again. But - in fact - the same thing.
        From the last: after all, we are moving towards communism - because there is nowhere else, from a scientific point of view. But with the religious one, this route partially coincides with the movement towards the Kingdom of God (not to be confused with the Kingdom of Heaven). And the movement continues.
        If you tell me the final ITEM of “your people” religion, I will tell you the real (today's) location.
        1. Storsh
          Storsh 28 November 2017 15: 19
          +1
          Quote: Norma
          What do you really know about the Christian faith?

          Enough. Do places like Balaam, New Jerusalem, Sergiev Posad tell you something? Visit there, talk, if not with the priors, then at least with the novices. And look into their eyes. Eyes, they are the door of the human soul. They, unlike the man himself, in his cassock or not, do not lie. And yes
          Quote: Norma
          "My" people are ....... Russian people
          .
          I do not quite agree that
          Quote: Norma
          The essence of religiosity is in the ritual.
          but with the fact that
          Quote: Norma
          ideology - "become obsolete"
          I can quite agree.
          And most importantly, under no circumstances do I impose my opinion, knowing full well that there will certainly be those who disagree with him.
          1. Standard
            Standard 28 November 2017 17: 45
            0
            Quote: Storsh
            Enough. Do places like Balaam, New Jerusalem, Sergiev Posad tell you something?

            This is not enough. I hope you saw the movie "Island".
            There, precisely, is a “double set”: the Church and the Myst (mysticism) - the Elder.
            The abbot of the Elder honors. This happens in all religions - mystics are close to God with their "device." But non-mystics are required to carefully follow all the instructions to become "pleasing to God." And it is very hard.

            As elsewhere, to at least see, you need the Necessary and Sufficient.
            And in order to understand, one must have an appropriate physiology. (At least temporarily, for understanding).
            If you understood, you would say otherwise.
            Just different.
            PS In the new Jerusalem mystical experience is obtained, as a rule, in the Holy Sepulcher.
            And you can go down to the Underground Church with the appropriate attitude.

            And in the Lavra, the “inscription” at the Assumption Cathedral personally affected me
            "UNKNOWN GOD",

            But actually, to each his own.
    2. Standard
      Standard 28 November 2017 15: 10
      0
      Quote: bober1982
      I could answer

      If you don’t feel like it, don’t argue.
      I (when I was on another Portal) somehow wanted to enlighten the surrounding dark environment with the light of the Logos = Christ. But!!! for this you need to be a Bodhisattva (Merciful). It got worse. My quotation of our article of Faith caused such .... That our main problems (and even tasks) became clear. Adapted Judaism is made of Christianity. And only in this form it is propagandized. That is, you must first break this position, and then let it go.
      But something laziness. Maybe it is according to God's will? wink
  17. Storsh
    Storsh 28 November 2017 14: 27
    +3
    I am Soviet! And proud of it! It was under the Soviet state that I received a free education, it was under this state that I was treated for free, it was at that time that I could drive my relatives and friends back to Moscow for the weekend (I live and live in the Primorsky Territory), with a ticket price of 114 rubles and a salary of 367 rubles. Yes, much more was given to me by the Soviet state, no matter how the adherents of the modern system came out of poison. And further. In addition to being Soviet, I am also Russian. One of my paternal grandfathers came from near Kiev, went through the whole war from bell to bell, and the second, from my mother, from the Tambov province, died in 1941 near Moscow. So I am Soviet Russian.
    1. Standard
      Standard 28 November 2017 15: 13
      0
      Quote: Storsh
      So I am Soviet Russian.

      Great! You have to become Russian Soviet ahead (because Russianness is “basic”).
      And a tiny mistake. You hardly had a "salary" of 314 rubles. If the "300direct" was taken as optimal. With bonuses, right?
      1. Storsh
        Storsh 28 November 2017 15: 27
        +1
        Quote: Norma
        With bonuses, right?

        I wrote - Primorsky Krai, naturally - Far Eastern, harmfulness, etc. And why is it unlikely? How many wrote, so much was.
        1. Standard
          Standard 28 November 2017 17: 50
          0
          Quote: Storsh
          And why is it unlikely?

          This is clearly seen in pensions, especially in Moscow.
          There is a pension amount. And the surcharge of the region (in Moscow - up to 17 thousand).
          But the pension is what it is.
          So it is with salary. Salary is a salary. Plus premiums.
          (This is so as not to violate reporting). wink
  18. xtur
    xtur 28 November 2017 15: 32
    0
    Lazarevich is one of several authors (I just don’t remember the names of the other two, I need to look at my notes), who examined the development of the USSR from the point of view of the theory of ethnogenesis of L. Gumilyov. Already in this it is great, because despite the apparent simplicity this theory is very difficult to apply in fact, it has a lot of pitfalls.
    And the unmistakable application of this theory to the analysis of the life of the USSR is only one thing
    1. Storsh
      Storsh 28 November 2017 15: 40
      0
      Quote: xtur
      Naturally, the one I wrote

      good
      1. xtur
        xtur 28 November 2017 15: 46
        0
        I could give you a link to this article, and someday, after reading it, you would be convinced that I am right and objective :-)
        But this is a rather specific topic, albeit a very important one, kmk,
        1. Standard
          Standard 28 November 2017 17: 52
          0
          at least send in a personal.
          uniqueness is a recommendation.
    2. Standard
      Standard 28 November 2017 17: 51
      0
      Quote: xtur
      there is only one faultless application of this theory to the analysis of the life of the USSR

      Well duck where is it?
      1. xtur
        xtur 28 November 2017 20: 55
        0
        http://vizantarm.am/page.php?15
  19. Standard
    Standard 28 November 2017 15: 44
    +1
    [quote = Stock Officer] Regarding the "servants of God." That’s what they call it, it’s nothing. For example, in the Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg, even an edict in a frame hangs on the wall. For those who wish to be baptized.

    If you are not "sausage" from the Gospel, find in it the words of Jesus that "you were God's servants, but .... and you will become children."
    And ask in this very cathedral, what has happened since then? why failure to follow directions?
    (And then we have the fashionable Jewishization of Christianity).

    That's how they attributed to Brzezinski the words that "Russia has the last stronghold - the Orthodox Church", so they rushed to ruin Russian Orthodoxy.
  20. Altona
    Altona 28 November 2017 16: 09
    +3
    Quote: Norma
    That's how they attributed to Brzezinski the words that "Russia has the last stronghold - the Orthodox Church", so they rushed to ruin Russian Orthodoxy.

    ---------------------------------
    I have no questions for Orthodoxy. I have questions for aggressive advertising of traditional cults of Islam, Orthodoxy, Judaism. As in that bike, there used to be a tavern and a church in the village. Stalin came, a club, a library, a sports ground appeared. Now the club and library are closed again. A church and a tavern opened.
    1. Standard
      Standard 28 November 2017 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      I have no questions for Orthodoxy

      Well, after all, Cadres decide everything.
      If Brzezinski is right, then who started? With frames.

      And only the tavern could remain without the Church.
  21. Standard
    Standard 28 November 2017 16: 30
    +1
    A lot of mistakes. Both factual and psychological.
    Not just a lot of bukoff, but verbiage.
    The author’s circle of contacts is determined (throw the flag; get another flag; admiring example from the USA; condemnation of the Afghans; ashamed of the Soviet Union ... and so on).
    The author does not even suggest that one nationality was prescribed in business trips: Soviet.
    The mistake is even that a change of ideal leads to a change of the Way. No! only the way of the procession changes (not by running and skipping, but with feeling, really, with arrangement - for example). Otherwise, it makes no sense to change ideals.
    And so "I wrote these notes for all Soviet people, even for those who no longer consider themselves Soviet." touches. Author! Only for them you wrote these notes. No one else.
    And this: "that the crisis of communism is a particular manifestation" ... - of what communism, verbiage are you kind of? There was no communism yet !!!!!!!!!!!
    Of the pluses, the only thing:
    "The fact that the Soviet people exist, although it does not include all citizens of the former USSR (as it was tacitly assumed in Brezhnev’s time). That it is not just an extension of the Russian people, and that the people we now call Russian are a significant part consists not of Russians, but of Soviet people. "
    Addition needed: this applies to all Soviet nationalities.
    (As shown, in particular, by meetings of graduates of Moscow universities).
    Even Ivan Ilyin set the task for Russia - the formation of a super-nation. He believed that this was possible on the basis of Christianity. It turned out - not necessarily. It is enough to introduce Russian culture as a state. And here she is - the SOVIET super nation.

    According to the proposed text, perhaps, FSE.
  22. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 28 November 2017 18: 16
    +3
    Using the word "Soviet" .... many people feel sick ....
    "I was born in the Soviet Union,
    I was made in the USSR. "©
    And I'm sick of the words "liberal" and the market.
  23. weksha50
    weksha50 28 November 2017 21: 16
    +1
    I’m Soviet, whatever one may say, and I’m proud of it ...
    I agree with the author that WE are Soviet ... Only these WE are not all, but those who were born and lived most of their lives in the USSR ...
    And so, in essence of the article ... I agree with her, but these are notes of a dreamer, not a realist ... Thoughts and ideas of the author of both the book and the article are realized by no one and will never be in the whole complex ...
    And how good it would be: to live respecting each other and the principles of others ... To choose the mechanisms of government that are most acceptable and not socially harmful ... To live and work - not only for ourselves, but also for society, recognizing that society also exists for you ...
  24. Altona
    Altona 28 November 2017 22: 08
    +3
    Quote: Norma
    Well, after all, Cadres decide everything.
    If Brzezinski is right, then who started? With frames.

    -------------------------------
    Now there’s no personnel either. The situation: when the offspring of existing ones are put on reign. Rogozin Sr. Dash Rogozin Jr., Zhirinovsky-Lebedev, fathers and children of the Fradkov, the list goes on without me. Tolik Serdyukov is indicative, the state corporation Russian Helicopters has discovered billions in losses. What is a person’s style, maybe in the sense it can demonstrate mastery and class, which, as they say, cannot be drunk.
  25. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 30 November 2017 09: 37
    0
    Here China is a communist country and builds a bright future and builds Vietnam, North Korea, Cuba, some African countries along its path, partly India, together about 50% of people, follow this ideology and the more crises, the more Anglo-Saxons get into the internal affairs of others countries, the more they look at a socialist, communist ideology. The question is, where are WE, based on what is happening in our country, the complete failure of domestic policy, in particular the economy, personnel and ideology. An economy of about 2% of GDP is expected-? this year, China, Vietnam, India - about 7%, cadres - the presidential nomenclature of Ulyukaev, governors mired in theft and corruption, based on experience, there are still many such people, there is no ideology at all, so we hang around somewhere. The further this happens, and the improvements, intelligible politics, political will are NOT visible, the more our people will look at communist ideology, which I am very happy about.
  26. Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 30 November 2017 18: 08
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    Before reading this opinion, I thought about this question: Why does the small DPRK spit down on the United States, and the great Russia only wipes other people's spit? An article about Sovetius fell into stream. In our country, Lazarevich is not alone. There was Vernadsky, Lev Nikolayevich Gumilyov, Mendeleev and many others. These thinkers did not talk about Soviet people, but they clearly explained that people in the modern world are united in peoples (ethnic groups according to Gumilyov), that these peoples are united not by their ethnic origin, but by the unity of language, culture, traditions, habitual way of life. You did not pay attention to the fact that our people, whatever they call it, even have their own humor, and we don’t understand the American one.
    Further. Experience has shown that if we talk about the forms of state power, the most expensive and ineffective is the presidential-parliamentary republic that has appeared in our country. After all, these 450 deputies are sitting at our expense and are not really doing anything, but in reality, other people are writing draft laws. Advice as a form of government was created by our people and was cheaper and more efficient. Our problem was only that we could not develop a mechanism for selecting personnel. The system of parties, which in fact are a bureaucratic, lobbyist apparatus hidden from the public, has interfered with us and is now interfering.
    Finally, the last thing I would like to say is, the more humiliation we suffer, the less respect for the authorities and the understanding that they simply fear for their unjustly acquired money and property that they hide behind the borders of our country. Otherwise; Why not close the American consulates in Yekaterinburg and Vladivostok? Why not declare the US embassy spokesperson persona non grata? Why not deport American journalists from the country? Why not present an ultimatum on the withdrawal of American troops from Syria and accidentally get into them during the bombing of militants? Why not demand the deportation of Rodchenkov to court? And many, many why.
  27. 82т11
    82т11 30 November 2017 19: 50
    +1
    At how pensioners diverged)) where were you Soviet when the party nomenclature tore the country to pieces? Why didn’t millions of people take to the streets and displace Yeltsin and the company?
    They sold the country for Bush’s legs and a tale of a beautiful life. And now they are outraged that it was better in the Soviet Socialist Republic! Live in the present and make the present better!
    1. Vladimir_Nick
      Vladimir_Nick 24 October 2019 12: 33
      0
      Have you read the book in question? There are answers to your questions. Read if you can.
      And yes, retirement is an unattainable dream of modern youth)))
  28. Vladimir_Nick
    Vladimir_Nick 24 October 2019 12: 31
    0
    Great book. A practical tutorial for brainwashing and removing noodles from the ears. It would be great to read it aloud to children in modern schools instead of theology lessons.
    !!! NO to nationalism !!!
    !!! No religion !!!