In Israel, said the threat from Syria

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The head of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Security Commission, Avi Dichter, said that the threat to Israel was beginning to emerge from Syria, noting that it was a threat “not necessarily” from Damascus.

In Israel, said the threat from Syria




A lot has happened since our last meeting in Israel, of course, we will talk a lot about it. What is happening in Syria, the threat that is beginning to manifest itself from Syria towards Israel is not necessarily from the government of Syria.
- He said during a joint meeting with the committees of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation on international affairs and on defense and security. However, he did not specify what kind of threat in question.

According to him, there are disagreements in some international issues between Israel and Russia.

We will not hesitate to talk about differences and contradictions. We have already said several meetings about the fact that Iran is a state of terror, as we say in Hebrew. Or, as you say in Russian, this is a partner country. Of course, we are talking about Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, you use other concepts. These are topics that are very important to discuss.
- he added.

The head of the Knesset Commission also rated Russia's experience in the fight against terrorism as “interesting,” reports RIA News
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  1. +22
    27 November 2017 14: 48
    Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?
    1. +21
      27 November 2017 14: 50
      Israel is not threatened by the Space Dust Society lol
      1. +36
        27 November 2017 14: 51
        Quote: Herkulesich
        cosmic dust

        1. +13
          27 November 2017 15: 01
          What is happening in Syria, a threat that is starting to emerge from Syria towards Israel, not necessarily from the Syrian government

          It is he who is so cleverly laying straws to justify strikes on Syria and, what the hell is not kidding, the introduction of Israeli troops into Syrian territory. negative
          1. +4
            27 November 2017 15: 17
            there the injector will immediately fall off, then you will have to give not only the Golan, but also Tel Aviv)
            1. +9
              27 November 2017 15: 19
              With your lips and honey ...
              1. +9
                27 November 2017 15: 31
                Quote: shans2
                there the injector will immediately fall off, then you will have to give not only the Golan, but also Tel Aviv)


                Of course you overdid it, but there are many problems.
    2. +8
      27 November 2017 15: 14
      Quote: Sofa General
      Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?

      Jews need to have a Stone Age around, then they will be gods there. Only the Arabs around with this strongly disagree.
      1. +9
        27 November 2017 15: 22
        Do not interfere in a bunch of nationality and the ruling elite of Israel! Let it be known to you that among the Jews there are two twice Heroes of the Soviet Union, 146 Heroes of the Soviet Union, 13 full Knights of the Order of Glory and 8 Heroes of Russia!
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          2. +2
            27 November 2017 18: 28
            Quote: kirillovleva
            Which does not prevent them from pursuing a policy of genocide towards Arabs (and Ukrainians).

            You are Joker.
        2. +3
          28 November 2017 06: 11
          Quote: VadimSt
          Do not interfere in a bunch of nationality and the ruling elite of Israel! Let it be known to you that among the Jews there are two twice Heroes of the Soviet Union, 146 Heroes of the Soviet Union, 13 full Knights of the Order of Glory and 8 Heroes of Russia!

          And also Chubais, Berezovsky, Gusinsky, Borovoy, Gozman, Ganapolsky, Valtsman and other Groysmans. To enumerate further? Oh, here's Leiba Bronstein. He's still a kagtawen cannibal.
      2. +2
        27 November 2017 16: 17
        Quote: Primoos
        Quote: Sofa General
        Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?

        Jews need to have a Stone Age around, then they will be gods there. Only the Arabs around with this strongly disagree.

        Israel is a highly developed state. Even before the Arab Spring, Greece was the closest developed country to Israel. Then Italy.
        1. +6
          27 November 2017 20: 36
          Israel is a highly developed state.
          )))))))))))

          In March, 2006, a professor at Harvard University, Stephen Walt, and a professor at the University of Chicago, John Mirshaymer, published a paper entitled "Israeli Lobby and US Foreign Policy." In it, in particular, it is noted that by the middle of the last decade, the total amount of US financial assistance to Israel reached 140 billion dollars. It should also be borne in mind that the economic well-being of the new state of Israel was largely supported by financial “injections” from the Federal Republic of Germany. We are talking about the reparations of Germany. By 1995, the volume of such reparations has already reached 100 billion marks. German reparations and today come to Israel. In some years, due to these reparations, up to 40% of the budget revenues of the Jewish state was formed. Without massive outside help, the state of Israel is not viable. Naum Goldman, the long-term chairman of the World Jewish Congress, in the book Jewish Paradox writes: “Without German compensation, which were paid in the first 10 years after the founding of Israel, the state could not develop half of the existing infrastructure: the entire railway fleet, all the ships, all power plants, as well as most of the industry - of German origin. "
          1. +4
            27 November 2017 21: 39
            Quote: Silkway0026
            Israel is a highly developed state.
            )))))))))))

            In March, 2006, a professor at Harvard University, Stephen Walt, and a professor at the University of Chicago, John Mirshaymer, published a paper entitled "Israeli Lobby and US Foreign Policy." In it, in particular, it is noted that by the middle of the last decade, the total amount of US financial assistance to Israel reached 140 billion dollars. It should also be borne in mind that the economic well-being of the new state of Israel was largely supported by financial “injections” from the Federal Republic of Germany. We are talking about the reparations of Germany. By 1995, the volume of such reparations has already reached 100 billion marks. German reparations and today come to Israel. In some years, due to these reparations, up to 40% of the budget revenues of the Jewish state was formed. Without massive outside help, the state of Israel is not viable. Naum Goldman, the long-term chairman of the World Jewish Congress, in the book Jewish Paradox writes: “Without German compensation, which were paid in the first 10 years after the founding of Israel, the state could not develop half of the existing infrastructure: the entire railway fleet, all the ships, all power plants, as well as most of the industry - of German origin. "

            I sincerely wish Russia to help someone with something. The first 10 years after the founding of the state ended 60 years ago. Reparations Germany paid from 1951 for the amount of 60 billion dollars. This is a whole, albeit a small country. Is it a lot or a little? For comparison. RF for the Olympics in Sochi put 50 billion dollars.
            According to the International Monetary Fund, as of October 2017, Qatar is the richest country in the world, where the annual gross domestic product per capita (at purchasing power parity) is 124.930 dollars.
            In the second place is the autonomous region of Macau with an indicator of 114.430 dollars, in third place is Luxembourg with 109.190 dollars.
            Further follow Singapore, Brunei, Ireland, Norway, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates. Switzerland closes the top ten, where per capita GDP is 61.360 dollars.
            USA - at 13-th position (59,5 thousand dollars), Saudi Arabia - at 14-th, Germany - at 19-th (50,2 thousand), Australia - at 20-th.
            Canada - 24, UK - 28. Behind her are France and Japan.

            Israel ranked 38 line with 36.250 dollars, located between Cyprus and the Czech Republic.

            Note also that in the World Bank’s 2016 rating for the year Israel ranks the 29 line with the 37.901 dollar indicator, and in the OECD rating the 22 line with the 37.915 dollars indicator (only 50 countries appear in the OECD rating).

            Russia is on the 51 line with 27,9 thousand dollars.
            1. +3
              28 November 2017 06: 14
              HELP should not be confused with extortion, which is what the state of Israel has been doing throughout its history.
            2. +1
              28 November 2017 13: 21
              Quote: A. Privalov
              I sincerely wish Russia to help someone with something.

              It is enough for us not to interfere ...


              Israel ranked 38 line with 36.250 dollars, located between Cyprus and the Czech Republic.
              Russia is on the 51 line with 27,9 thousand dollars.

              If you compare the average salary in Russia for ordinary citizens and citizens chosen by God, then you will be surprised even more ... belay
              Enough for us to show white fluffy money lenders ...
              1. +3
                28 November 2017 13: 27
                Quote: Esoteric
                Quote: A. Privalov
                I sincerely wish Russia to help someone with something.

                It is enough for us not to interfere ...


                Israel ranked 38 line with 36.250 dollars, located between Cyprus and the Czech Republic.
                Russia is on the 51 line with 27,9 thousand dollars.

                If you compare the average salary in Russia for ordinary citizens and citizens chosen by God, then you will be surprised even more ... belay
                Enough for us to show white fluffy money lenders ...

                Compare and I will be surprised. By the way, compared to your own Orthodox Orthodox moneylenders, ours look really white and fluffy. wassat
          2. +1
            27 November 2017 22: 26
            Quote: Silkway0026
            Israel is a highly developed state.
            )))))))))))

            In March, 2006, a professor at Harvard University, Stephen Walt, and a professor at the University of Chicago, John Mirshaymer, published a paper entitled "Israeli Lobby and US Foreign Policy." In it, in particular, it is noted that by the middle of the last decade, the total amount of US financial assistance to Israel reached 140 billion dollars. It should also be borne in mind that the economic well-being of the new state of Israel was largely supported by financial “injections” from the Federal Republic of Germany. We are talking about the reparations of Germany. By 1995, the volume of such reparations has already reached 100 billion marks. German reparations and today come to Israel. In some years, due to these reparations, up to 40% of the budget revenues of the Jewish state was formed. Without massive outside help, the state of Israel is not viable. Naum Goldman, the long-term chairman of the World Jewish Congress, in the book Jewish Paradox writes: “Without German compensation, which were paid in the first 10 years after the founding of Israel, the state could not develop half of the existing infrastructure: the entire railway fleet, all the ships, all power plants, as well as most of the industry - of German origin. "

            Well, yes, the States went out of their ears 140 lard, Germany 60.
            For 70 years.
            Well, even amerskie Jews for 18 days of the Yom Kippur War collected 2,5 lard of their hard-earned money. Let's add inflation of the dollar (natural) and another 40 lard for ten years. In total, over 70 years, 360 lard.
            Israel's 2017 budget is 126,7 lard tanks. For 8,5 million people. Of these, American aid (of which 2 lard are in arms) is 3,5 billion
            That is, according to rough estimates, over 70 years of its existence, Israel has been paid for 3 modern budgets.
            Question - Is Israel a viable state without outside help? ))))))
    3. +15
      27 November 2017 15: 17
      Quote: Sofa General
      Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?

      what what what isis !! wink Yes laughing laughing
      1. 0
        28 November 2017 05: 53
        Threats from sofas VO.
    4. +9
      27 November 2017 15: 39
      1. Conscience. 2. Decency. 3. Honesty. The concepts are almost of the same order, but do not threaten them at all
      1. +2
        27 November 2017 16: 20
        Quote: Slovak
        1. Conscience. 2. Decency. 3. Honesty. The concepts are almost of the same order, but do not threaten them at all

        ))))))
        Believe it yourself?
        1. +3
          27 November 2017 16: 42
          I am sure that I answered the question "What does not threaten Israel" correctly. Israel is not threatened by these concepts
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        2. 0
          28 November 2017 06: 07
          He has no idea what it is. We will try to bring at least some basics to the very shallow consciousness of this sofa assessor. Example. German professional terrorists hijacked a French civilian liner and hijacked it to the other end of the world, and a handful of Jewish paratroopers, in order to rescue their own, risking their lives, carried out a daring operation to save them, unique in the history of mankind: is it decency, or not? When, in the battle of Latrun, the order was first sounded: the privates are retreating, the commanders are covering, is it conscientious or not? When to the utterly defeated Arab enemies, after the conclusion of peace, their territories are returned to the last centimeter - is it fair or not? When terrorists hijack a plane with hostages from Russia to Israel, and the Israelis neutralize them and return them to the Russian Federation, unlike, say, Turkey and Pakistan, is this decency? Eh, you are a sofa (instead of "sofa" in Russian ideomatics a slightly different word is used) assessor.
    5. Maz
      0
      27 November 2017 17: 27
      Quote: Sofa General
      Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?

      United States of America.
      1. 0
        27 November 2017 18: 33
        Quote: Maz
        Quote: Sofa General
        Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?

        United States of America.

        Dnepropetrovsk
        1. 0
          28 November 2017 06: 09
          From the moment MAZ dumped and to the historical homeland, one of the freeloaders .....
    6. +1
      28 November 2017 07: 59
      Quote: Sofa General
      Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?

      Penguins of antarctica
  2. +17
    27 November 2017 14: 50
    The head of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Security Committee, Avi Dichter, said that a threat to Israel is beginning to emerge from Syria.

    Syria has no time for Israel. And Israel's position is clear - the population of Syria prevents Israeli scientists from looking for oil.
    1. +7
      27 November 2017 15: 42
      Quote: Balu
      Syria is not up to Israel.

      And who was talking about Syria? We are talking about the territory of Syria, and there are enough bearded children.

      Quote: Balu
      And the position of Israel is understandable - the population of Syria is preventing Israeli scientists from looking for oil.

      We do not need someone else's oil. We earn more with brains than some by selling hydrocarbons.

      By the way, Russia is in Syria since it is threatened by children from Syria. Forgot? wink
      1. +5
        27 November 2017 16: 31
        Quote: professor
        We are talking about the territory of Syria, and there are enough bearded children there.

        ========
        Well, so why you CASH FEEDING ??? Do you want to be "sly ... pooper" All??
        "Congratulations!!! "
        ===========
        Quote: professor
        We do not need someone else's oil. We earn more with brains than some by selling hydrocarbons.

        ---------------
        А WHO interesting in Sinai, the entire oil "pumped out", after which, "generously" agreed to return it (Sinai) to Egypt ??? Maybe Russia ?????
        ===================
        Quote: professor
        By the way, Russia is in Syria since it is threatened by children from Syria. Forgot?

        ---------
        And here already NOTHING-SHENKI Not understood.... (Well, I'm not a "prohvessor" ...). Can explain, what did they mean ???
      2. +1
        27 November 2017 17: 01
        Quote: professor
        We do not need someone else's oil. We earn more with brains than some by selling hydrocarbons.

        Why the hell did you get into Syria (Golan Heights)?
        1. +2
          27 November 2017 17: 52
          Quote: Piramidon
          Quote: professor
          We do not need someone else's oil. We earn more with brains than some by selling hydrocarbons.

          Why the hell did you get into Syria (Golan Heights)?

          Yes, not figs with them it was 19 years old to shell Israel, as well as the riverbeds, feeding the country's main water resource at that time, to turn away from it. So on figs who surrendered these Golan and the war on three fronts (six days).
        2. +1
          28 November 2017 06: 12
          The Golan Heights, unlike, say, Vyborg, are primordially Jewish lands, which in violation of international law were occupied by the Syrian regime.
      3. +3
        27 November 2017 18: 16
        Quote: professor
        We don't need someone else's oil.

        While the oil is in the ground, it is foreign, but as it is extracted, it is its own.
      4. 0
        28 November 2017 13: 30
        Quote: professor
        We earn more with brains than some by selling hydrocarbons.

        You? Brains?
        All your brains work on how to give a stranger growth. I have not heard any news saying that Israel sent humanitarian aid to someone (free, free of charge). So that he builds something somewhere, except for banks ...
        1. +2
          29 November 2017 11: 17
          Quote: Esoteric
          Quote: professor
          We earn more with brains than some by selling hydrocarbons.

          You? Brains?
          All your brains work on how to give a stranger growth. I have not heard any news saying that Israel sent humanitarian aid to someone (free, free of charge). So that he builds something somewhere, except for banks ...

          In truth, anti-Semite is not smart.

          Catch our field hospital and for one tell me where were you then with your "humanitarian aid (free, free)?
          https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-a-role-model
          -for-disaster-medicine-says-red-cross-chief-surge
          we/


          Here is our field hospital:
          http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/745865/early-di
          saster-response-haiti-israeli-field-hospital-expe
          rience
    2. +3
      27 November 2017 16: 22
      Quote: Balu
      The head of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Security Committee, Avi Dichter, said that a threat to Israel is beginning to emerge from Syria.

      Syria has no time for Israel. And Israel's position is clear - the population of Syria prevents Israeli scientists from looking for oil.

      The Syrian population prevents Israeli scientists from brewing moonshine.
      1. +6
        27 November 2017 16: 29
        Quote: Krasnodar
        The Syrian population prevents Israeli scientists from brewing moonshine.

        Little clarification - kosher moonshine
        1. +1
          27 November 2017 16: 37
          If you are a Muscovite or will be in Moscow - visit a Jewish restaurant in Moscow ST - the third floor, in my opinion, of a local shopping center. They serve kosher vodka - zaboristaya, contagion :)
          I recommend with minced meat.
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The Syrian population prevents Israeli scientists from brewing moonshine.

          Little clarification - kosher moonshine
          1. +2
            27 November 2017 17: 05
            Quote: Krasnodar
            If you are a Muscovite or will be in Moscow - visit a Jewish restaurant in Moscow ST - the third floor, in my opinion, of a local shopping center. They serve kosher vodka - zaboristaya, contagion :)

            No, to Moscow along the highway 800 km. We've got anti-sadness even better wink drinks good
            1. 0
              27 November 2017 17: 47
              Quote: Balu
              Quote: Krasnodar
              If you are a Muscovite or will be in Moscow - visit a Jewish restaurant in Moscow ST - the third floor, in my opinion, of a local shopping center. They serve kosher vodka - zaboristaya, contagion :)

              No, to Moscow along the highway 800 km. We've got anti-sadness even better wink drinks good

              I will definitely try :)
  3. +7
    27 November 2017 14: 51
    I understand that the Syrians have sworn to eat all the kashiri food in Israeli supermarkets? ?? recourse
  4. +7
    27 November 2017 14: 54
    Familiar words! Only there some kind of mattress-flag state uses them in our address! How can a country torn apart by a civil war threaten a neighbor more than it is? Show them your fifth point through the window? fool
    1. +5
      27 November 2017 14: 57
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Show them your fifth point through the window?

      They won't understand, Africa ... lol
      1. +5
        27 November 2017 15: 07
        And if you show it twice in a row, maybe they will be scared ??? recourse
        1. +6
          27 November 2017 15: 10
          Quote: Herkulesich
          And if you show it twice in a row, maybe they will be scared ??? recourse

          If you like it, they'll come closer. And there are all sorts of cases. belay
          1. +3
            27 November 2017 15: 14
            So, let's get together two and a half times - there's nothing to pamper them! !!! sad
    2. +1
      27 November 2017 16: 23
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Familiar words! Only there some kind of mattress-flag state uses them in our address! How can a country torn apart by a civil war threaten a neighbor more than it is? Show them your fifth point through the window? fool

      Iranian bases.
  5. +6
    27 November 2017 15: 10
    Quote: Sofa General
    Oh, tell me something that doesn't threaten Israel?

    Gesheft at someone else's expense!
  6. +7
    27 November 2017 15: 11
    Quote: Herkulesich
    Familiar words! Only there some kind of mattress-flag state uses them in our address! How can a country torn apart by a civil war threaten a neighbor more than it is? Show them your fifth point through the window? fool

    Show! Jews will accuse you of anti-Semitism!
    1. +3
      27 November 2017 15: 16
      They will start loudly discussing what they saw in the plan does not pose a threat to their existence! what
    2. +1
      27 November 2017 16: 25
      Quote: Evrodav
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Familiar words! Only there some kind of mattress-flag state uses them in our address! How can a country torn apart by a civil war threaten a neighbor more than it is? Show them your fifth point through the window? fool

      Show! Jews will accuse you of anti-Semitism!

      Or will they think you are Elton John
  7. HAM
    +10
    27 November 2017 15: 12
    ".... Iran is a state of terror, as we speak about it in Hebrew ........."

    I don’t know how in Hebrew, but only from Israel comes constant terror ..
    1. 0
      28 November 2017 06: 17
      Israel's suppression of terrorism, including in Syria, is not terror, but protection against terrorism. Terror at the state level is condemned by the UN. Tell me at least one UN decision where Israel would be recognized as a terrorist state? Like Iraq invading Kuwait ...
      1. HAM
        +1
        28 November 2017 07: 40
        State terrorist rhetoric ...
  8. +6
    27 November 2017 15: 13
    Quote: hrych
    Quote: Herkulesich
    cosmic dust


    1. +2
      27 November 2017 18: 20
      Yes, like anti-Semitic traditions in some countries wink
      1. +2
        27 November 2017 19: 54
        Quote: Viktorfi
        Yes, like anti-Semitic traditions in some countries wink

        And what's the reason? belay Probably the envy of the smartest, or something else? lol
        1. +1
          27 November 2017 22: 30
          Quote: Balu
          Quote: Viktorfi
          Yes, like anti-Semitic traditions in some countries wink

          And what's the reason? belay Probably the envy of the smartest, or something else? lol

          That not
          Strangers. Everywhere and always. No more. And they differ from the locals.
        2. 0
          28 November 2017 06: 21
          From the moment of the emergence of political Zionism and the realization of its only task - the creation of Israel, neither the Jewish people nor the Jewish state is threatened by anoisemitism. Is that in a powerlessly malicious form on the part of individual emotionally unbalanced personalities.
  9. +8
    27 November 2017 15: 15
    Kagaul, bandits deprive the acquired Golan)
    1. +3
      27 November 2017 18: 21
      Not deprived, but covered. And if they run into it, they may still lose territory wink.
    2. 0
      28 November 2017 06: 23
      And what is this you word guard, through "g" write. Is he absolutely illiterate? And nobody deprives Israel of the Golan. Let them just try ...
      1. 0
        28 November 2017 13: 34
        Quote: Rogue1812
        And what is this you word guard, through "g" write.

        He has not yet spelled out the word "Jew" through "g" ... belay
  10. +7
    27 November 2017 15: 15
    Everything will end at the wailing wall ... This people who did not live up to the hopes of God turned out to be unable to learn from their mistakes.
    1. +5
      27 November 2017 18: 28
      The Jewish people are learning from their mistakes. This allowed him to return to his land, create his own state, repulse several attacks from his superior enemies, who were helped by the USSR, take the Golan Heights from the Arabs, who did not learn the lesson that the Jews should not be meddled in.
      Create a country with a high standard of living, where the average life expectancy is in the top ten, low infant mortality and a high level of technology ..

      What have you achieved? wink

      The USSR collapsed, sanctions, doctors receive beggarly salaries, mortality is high, men don't even have time to live after retirement, the level of medicine is not so hot, prices are only growing, new taxes are being introduced, corruption is simply wild, they quarreled with their Slavic brothers ..
      1. 0
        27 November 2017 18: 39
        Quote: Viktorfi
        The Jewish people are learning from their mistakes. This allowed him to return to his land, create his own state, repulse several attacks from his superior enemies, who were helped by the USSR, take the Golan Heights from the Arabs, who did not learn the lesson that the Jews should not be meddled in.
        Create a country with a high standard of living, where the average life expectancy is in the top ten, low infant mortality and a high level of technology ..

        What have you achieved? wink

        The USSR collapsed, sanctions, doctors receive beggarly salaries, mortality is high, men don't even have time to live after retirement, the level of medicine is not so hot, prices are only growing, new taxes are being introduced, corruption is simply wild, they quarreled with their Slavic brothers ..

        The bulk of the population, ah, is not to blame for this at all.
        And the question "what have you achieved" is not correct - in the 20th century alone Russia has gone through so much ... here is another song, from the word at all. And I realized this only after living here "bezvylazno" for a year and a half.
        1. +2
          27 November 2017 18: 45
          Quote: Krasnodar
          The bulk of the population, ah, is not to blame for this at all.


          Who said there that the people have the government they deserve ...

          Quote: Krasnodar
          Russia has experienced so much in the 20th century alone.


          Jews and the Jewish state too.

          Quote: Krasnodar
          here is another song, completely from the word. And I realized this only after living here "bezvylazno" for a year and a half


          For you it is possible. I also lived in Russia and come constantly and I perfectly understand what kind of song there is.
          1. 0
            27 November 2017 22: 35
            Quote: Viktorfi
            Quote: Krasnodar
            The bulk of the population, ah, is not to blame for this at all.


            Who said there that the people have the government they deserve ...

            Quote: Krasnodar
            Russia has experienced so much in the 20th century alone.


            Jews and the Jewish state too.

            Quote: Krasnodar
            here is another song, completely from the word. And I realized this only after living here "bezvylazno" for a year and a half


            For you it is possible. I also lived in Russia and come constantly and I perfectly understand what kind of song there is.

            )))
            The question is, how did you live, where did you live and what was the longest period of your life in the Russian Federation :)
            When I went there and here all the time, the impressions were different. The social circle is different. But sitting there without getting out for a year and a half, and not in the MSC, you start to see everything differently. :)
      2. MMX
        +1
        27 November 2017 20: 02
        Quote: Viktorfi
        ...
        What have you achieved? wink

        The USSR collapsed, sanctions, doctors receive beggarly salaries, mortality is high, men don't even have time to live after retirement, the level of medicine is not so hot, prices are only growing, new taxes are being introduced, corruption is simply wild, they quarreled with their Slavic brothers ..


        Our opposition and scale are different. An order of magnitude (and most likely several orders of magnitude) more and more difficult. For almost the entire 20th century, we were a superpower. Now the recession. This has already happened in our history and more than once. Everything is cyclical.
        Here's the thing: if, say, the United States declares us an enemy and a threat to itself, then we will survive it. But if the United States for some reason dislikes Israel and acts similarly towards it (hypothetically, imagine such a picture), then the State of Israel will most likely not survive such a turn of events. The entire history of the State of Israel in the 20th century is the history of relations of the "suzerainty-vassalage" type. And in this there is nothing shameful in essence. Everyone survives and adapts as best they can. Israel cannot do without external support (from a word at all). In such a situation, the choice is limited and you need to try to squeeze out the maximum of opportunities and try to be needed. So far, Israel has succeeded.
        1. 0
          27 November 2017 22: 42
          Quote: MMX
          Quote: Viktorfi
          ...
          What have you achieved? wink

          The USSR collapsed, sanctions, doctors receive beggarly salaries, mortality is high, men don't even have time to live after retirement, the level of medicine is not so hot, prices are only growing, new taxes are being introduced, corruption is simply wild, they quarreled with their Slavic brothers ..


          Our opposition and scale are different. An order of magnitude (and most likely several orders of magnitude) more and more difficult. For almost the entire 20th century, we were a superpower. Now the recession. This has already happened in our history and more than once. Everything is cyclical.
          Here's the thing: if, say, the United States declares us an enemy and a threat to itself, then we will survive it. But if the United States for some reason dislikes Israel and acts similarly towards it (hypothetically, imagine such a picture), then the State of Israel will most likely not survive such a turn of events. The entire history of the State of Israel in the 20th century is the history of relations of the "suzerainty-vassalage" type. And in this there is nothing shameful in essence. Everyone survives and adapts as best they can. Israel cannot do without external support (from a word at all). In such a situation, the choice is limited and you need to try to squeeze out the maximum of opportunities and try to be needed. So far, Israel has succeeded.

          I also disagree.
          In the days of the Soviet superpower, medicine sucked too.
          Friendly relations between the United States and Israel began after 67. The persecution of Israel by the United States will begin - it will endure, although the standard of living will drop by an order of magnitude, but within 7-10 years it will return to normal :)
          The relationship of a vassal and a suzerain is nonsense)))
          Mutual benefit + Jewish money in the USA - yes.
          1. MMX
            0
            28 November 2017 04: 53
            Quote: Krasnodar

            I also disagree.
            In the days of the Soviet superpower, medicine sucked too.
            Friendly relations between the United States and Israel began after 67. The persecution of Israel by the United States will begin - it will endure, although the standard of living will drop by an order of magnitude, but within 7-10 years it will return to normal :)
            The relationship of a vassal and a suzerain is nonsense)))
            Mutual benefit + Jewish money in the USA - yes.


            The medicine was up to par. All vaccines, for example, the USSR developed independently (some of them for the first time in the history of mankind).

            As far as the state of Israel is concerned, you should at least look at their trade balance before claiming something like that. The country is entirely dependent on imports, including, importantly, military imports. Close this tap and that's it. It will collapse within the same period as specified by you. Now I am projecting a situation like "North Korea" (a rogue country, isolation, embargo, etc.).
            And yes, "friendship", as you put it, has always been between them. In order to understand this, you just need to trace the history of the supply of weapons to Israel (for the entire period).
      3. +5
        27 November 2017 21: 28
        The Jewish people are learning from their mistakes. This allowed him to return to his land

        Yes, you haven't learned nichrome. Therefore, from century to century, you again become offended by everyone. As for returning to your land, your possession of this land is a small episode in the many thousand-year history of this land. You were not the first to come there, Jerusalem as a settlement appeared long before you, then you seized these lands by war and declared them your own, then the Jews, already offended, also moved you and went all over the world. And again on the same rake. The Israelites have a talent for making enemies for themselves.
      4. +2
        27 November 2017 21: 45
        Quote: Viktorfi
        The Golan Heights are from the Arabs who have not learned the lesson that the Jews should not be meddled on.

        And what, is the Syrian army really dangerous for Israel, which is not even the army but the people's militia? And if you mean ISIS and the company, then it generally sounds ridiculous.
        Before that, you were not afraid of them, and only now you began to be afraid!
        Quote: Viktorfi
        The USSR collapsed, sanctions, doctors receive beggarly salaries, mortality is high, men don't even have time to live after retirement, the level of medicine is not so hot, prices are only growing, new taxes are being introduced, corruption is simply wild, they quarreled with their Slavic brothers ..

        And Israel, too, experienced such a restructuring as Russia, where in some areas of the industry the damage was greater than during the Second World War? I just don't understand why you are counting from the collapse of the USSR. And if you noticed that in those days Boris Yeltsin simply surrendered Russia to the Americans completely, they did everything they wanted, and here's the result, Russia did not become a new Singapore or Switzerland, it just dropped to Gabon, thanks to help from the USA.
        And when you resist proving your case it just becomes funny. Check out the statistics for the last 20 years.
        There are problems and there are a lot of them, no one hides, but should you teach us?
        The country is under arms, the whole country. Israel is dependent on many, very many indicators from the United States. Around Israel are friends who dream of grabbing the throat!
        You have no less problems
        1. +1
          27 November 2017 22: 28
          Not much I will correct you. Addiction? יחס הדדי
          Under arms? צהייל
          There is a translator. Once you communicate, I hope it will not be difficult. I'm with you in Russian.
        2. 0
          27 November 2017 22: 45
          APASUS - there is a problem in the creation of Iranian bases near the borders of Israel.
          And every country has enough problems.
      5. 0
        28 November 2017 06: 27
        I would add that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants come to us from all over the world (not "to us in Saratov"), but to us in Israel. For the darkest jobs. Compare GDP - Israel and RF. So the question of who achieved what is rhetorical.
        1. 0
          28 November 2017 19: 04
          Quote: Rogue1812
          I would add that hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants come to us from all over the world (not "to us in Saratov"), but to us in Israel.

          Are you the only ones or what?
          Quote: Rogue1812
          Compare GDP - Israel and RF. So the question of who achieved what is rhetorical.

          I will repeat the question again. Was there perestroika in Israel in the 90s? Which for the country ended not with reforms, but with the defeat of industry.
  11. +12
    27 November 2017 15: 18
    Why should the Jews look for an enemy from their neighbor, if the Jews themselves are enemies for the entire Middle East?
    1. +8
      27 November 2017 15: 34
      Israel's worst enemies are the Jews ..
      Oy, gevolt, they all hate and hate.
      Although, I repeat, the greatest anti-Semites are Jews.
    2. +1
      27 November 2017 16: 41
      Quote: Egorovich
      Why should the Jews look for an enemy from their neighbor, if the Jews themselves are enemies for the entire Middle East?

      Why beat the enemy if you yourself are his enemy ...
      This has never occurred to me yet))))))
    3. 0
      28 November 2017 06: 31
      You need to answer for your words, otherwise the words turn into husks from seeds. The BW countries - as of today - either officially made peace with Israel, or are its hidden allies. Iran is an exception. But Israel is afraid. So let them hate, if only they were afraid. In my opinion, things are the same with the Russian Federation.
  12. +8
    27 November 2017 15: 26
    It seems Jews even in the desert will find a threat to themselves. Some kind of abnormality is rushing from them - everyone threatens them, everyone wants to almost destroy Israel ... We are alone here, God's chosen ones, white and fluffy, we do no harm to anyone.
    Interestingly, have they ever heard of such a form of policy as a mutually beneficial agreement?
    1. +3
      27 November 2017 18: 30
      Quote: Wedmak
      It seems Jews even in the desert will find a threat to themselves. Some kind of abnormality is rushing from them - everyone threatens them, everyone wants to almost destroy Israel ... We are alone here, God's chosen ones, white and fluffy, we do no harm to anyone.


      If it were not for the word Israel and the Jews, I would have thought that we are talking about Russia ...
      1. +2
        27 November 2017 22: 42
        Well, not more than 800 US bases are located around you. It is not you in the Western press that is clearly and directly declared an enemy and an aggressor. And it’s not for you that they put sticks in the wheels in the form of sanctions and stupid accusations without evidence. And then they also try to dictate the conditions under which these same sanctions and charges will be lifted.
        Something I did not hear about the air strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces from the quiet with extensive explanations such as “there was a threat”, “one shell flew to us”, “we are defending”.
        Thank God, Allah and Buddha on our streets do not go with machine guns behind us. And girls go to the army not by binding law, but of their own free will.
        1. +1
          27 November 2017 22: 48
          But in Russia the police walk. It takes care of the peace of citizens ...... ??????
          1. 0
            28 November 2017 00: 05
            The police does not go with guns. This time. The police must protect the peace of citizens. These are two.
            And you, of course, everything is different?
            1. +1
              28 November 2017 00: 33
              Oh sure. But the question is how do you perceive the representative of the authorities. And the Israelis believe that this is necessary, and everything is under control. And the presence of automatic weapons in the streets is acceptable, because it is in the hands of those whom you trust as well.
    2. 0
      28 November 2017 06: 35
      One to one, you outlined Russia's concerns about its enemies. Judging by the speeches of both the leaders of the country and the Russians, there are several times more of them than Israel. All neighbors, even a former friend of Bulgaria, Europe, states and beyond are everywhere. And all because, in the words of one political leader I respect, "Russia has no borders ...".
  13. +3
    27 November 2017 15: 53
    Iran is a state of terror, as we speak about it in Hebrew. Or, as you say in Russian, this is a partner country.
    Here's a radish, making faces. Although, meticulously noticed.
  14. +7
    27 November 2017 16: 11
    We will not hesitate to talk about disagreements and contradictions
    we, too, the West, but where is Israel without it, the conductor of the current Russophobic ideology of destruction, fragmentation and plunder
    Russia ...
    1. +3
      27 November 2017 16: 45
      Quote: anjey
      We will not hesitate to talk about disagreements and contradictions
      we, too, the West, but where is Israel without it, the conductor of the current Russophobic ideology of destruction, fragmentation and plunder
      Russia ...

      Israel? With visa-free travel for Russians, with a large Russian-speaking community, with full coordination of actions with Russians in Syria?
      Do you live in a parallel universe? )))
      1. +1
        27 November 2017 17: 39
        Jewish Russian-language sites are a preserve of Russophobia
        1. +1
          27 November 2017 18: 43
          Quote: ultra
          Jewish Russian-language sites are a preserve of Russophobia

          Amazing. Considering that about half of the Russian-speaking families in Israel are mixed, mostly with Russians.
      2. +3
        27 November 2017 18: 49
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Quote: anjey
        We will not hesitate to talk about disagreements and contradictions
        we, too, the West, but where is Israel without it, the conductor of the current Russophobic ideology of destruction, fragmentation and plunder
        Russia ...

        Israel? With visa-free travel for Russians, with a large Russian-speaking community, with full coordination of actions with Russians in Syria?
        Do you live in a parallel universe? )))
        British and Israeli information resources with enviable interest and lightning reaction spread the statement of the head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights about the alleged air strikes of Russian aerospace forces on residential buildings in the village of Al-Shafah province on Sunday morning Deir Ez-Zor.-
        The Russophobia of Israel is evident, in profitable little things they are supposedly friends, and dig deeper - manure ...
        1. 0
          27 November 2017 22: 48
          Quote: anjey
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Quote: anjey
          We will not hesitate to talk about disagreements and contradictions
          we, too, the West, but where is Israel without it, the conductor of the current Russophobic ideology of destruction, fragmentation and plunder
          Russia ...

          Israel? With visa-free travel for Russians, with a large Russian-speaking community, with full coordination of actions with Russians in Syria?
          Do you live in a parallel universe? )))
          British and Israeli information resources with enviable interest and lightning reaction spread the statement of the head of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights about the alleged air strikes of Russian aerospace forces on residential buildings in the village of Al-Shafah province on Sunday morning Deir Ez-Zor.-
          The Russophobia of Israel is evident, in profitable little things they are supposedly friends, and dig deeper - manure ...

          Actually, there was this article in the Hebrew news of Israel too)))
          And no one is friends with anyone. It's just a good relationship - and, most importantly, no one owes money to anyone ... you don't need to forgive))))
      3. +1
        28 November 2017 05: 06
        Israel is coordinating its actions with the Russian oligarchy, whose ideology is in principle consonant with Zionism (fascism).
      4. 0
        28 November 2017 06: 42
        I would add comprehensive economic cooperation with the Russian Federation, mass tourism from the Russian Federation (first place in the world in terms of attendance in our country. Under four hundred thousand a year. Aircraft from Russia to Tel Aviv run like a metro in Moscow, only in contrast to it around the clock. And unlike traditional anti-Semitism, we will not specify who, in Israel there has never been any Russophobia, neither at the state nor at the household level. This is evidenced by mass tourism and all-round relations. But I see lying to you, how to roll downhill. Well, some people like to lie, with a breeze, so to speak.
  15. +3
    27 November 2017 16: 33
    Quote: HAM
    ".... Iran is a state of terror, as we speak about it in Hebrew ........."

    I don’t know how in Hebrew, but only from Israel comes constant terror ..

    1. +2
      27 November 2017 17: 56
      Quote: Evrodav
      Quote: HAM
      ".... Iran is a state of terror, as we speak about it in Hebrew ........."

      I don’t know how in Hebrew, but only from Israel comes constant terror ..


      In Afghanistan, Somalia, Central Africa, Antarctica ...
      1. 0
        28 November 2017 06: 44
        And more recently in Eastern Europe, including the Russian Federation.
  16. +3
    27 November 2017 16: 36
    Quote: Wedmak
    It seems Jews even in the desert will find a threat to themselves. Some kind of abnormality is rushing from them - everyone threatens them, everyone wants to almost destroy Israel ... We are alone here, God's chosen ones, white and fluffy, we do no harm to anyone.
    Interestingly, have they ever heard of such a form of policy as a mutually beneficial agreement?

    Such a contract?
    1. 0
      28 November 2017 06: 46
      The ruble is falling, is that what you mean? Too lazy to raise. Shekel costs five to twelve. Years already as 20. Course 3.5 does not change. We are going the right way, comrades, as the great Lenin said (a Jew by his grandfather, by the way).
  17. +6
    27 November 2017 16: 40
    Israel made it so ambiguous that the troops would soon come. And who doesn't want to chop off a piece of Syria at a time like this. The terrorists were suppressed, so there were 0 obstacles. I personally talked to the Syrian and I will say that everyone has an interest there. Russia has oil, arms and other contracts and what a rise in its authority in the world. It is quite possible that Israel, a state bordering on Syria, is not averse to expanding slightly)
    1. +1
      27 November 2017 18: 32
      Quote: Exello
      ... And who doesn't want to chop off a piece of Syria at a time like this


      Why does Israel need it? What will it give?

      Quote: Exello
      It is quite possible that Israel, a state bordering on Syria, is not averse to expanding slightly)


      Why is it for Israel?
  18. +2
    27 November 2017 17: 22
    Quote: VadimSt
    Do not interfere in a bunch of nationality and the ruling elite of Israel! Let it be known to you that among the Jews there are two twice Heroes of the Soviet Union, 146 Heroes of the Soviet Union, 13 full Knights of the Order of Glory and 8 Heroes of Russia!


    So they created the Soviet Union on the ruins of the Republic of Ingushetia, and now they are creating the Russian Federation on the ruins of the USSR. Everything is always in business. They have no unemployed.
    1. 0
      28 November 2017 04: 48
      Of course, in ancient times, they only did what they created the empires of the ancient world, where was Israel then?
  19. 0
    27 November 2017 17: 57
    well, yes, Israel is threatened by the whole world ... fellow
    1. +2
      27 November 2017 18: 32
      Who said such nonsense?
      Is the Shiite terror led by Iran the whole world?
      1. 0
        28 November 2017 04: 50
        Israel is threatened by Israel itself with its too "good neighborly" policy ....
      2. 0
        28 November 2017 06: 49
        Iran threatens not only Israel, but the entire BW. Either the lazy person does not know about this, or the one who does not want to know.
        1. 0
          28 November 2017 07: 23
          what old parrot and repeating the language you do not disappear? it was-Assad must leave and now the "new" American crazy brand for Israeli parrots and incitement to hatred in BV-Iran is allegedly a threat to them number 1 ...., they themselves are a threat to themselves, I am about Israel ...
          1. 0
            28 November 2017 12: 20
            Quote: anjey
            strife on BV -Iran allegedly a threat to them number 1 ...., they themselves are a threat to themselves, I'm talking about Israel ..


            Iran finances Hezbollah terrorists, Hamas terrorists, Islamic jihad terrorists. And Hamas at one time helped and more than once in terrorist attacks against the Egyptians, gave them missiles to fire towards Israel, create terrorist cells in Israel and around.
            Iran spoils the air in other countries as well.


            Learn the mat part. Iranian Shiite terror is a threat and substantial.
            1. 0
              28 November 2017 12: 52
              And the threat of the igils, which was also supported by Israel, the igil who captured half of Iraq and almost all of Syria, was certainly not significant, and your support for the same gangster opposition in Syria, so study for yourself who is the real terrorist state in the Middle East ...
  20. +2
    27 November 2017 18: 32
    Iran is a state of terror or a partner in Russian. Hezbollah is a partner, well, we say so, and Israel is a terrorist state, we say so, we speak directly about it ... and they do not care ...
    1. 0
      28 November 2017 06: 49
      Well, about spitting - this is certainly correct, but everything else is nonsense.
  21. +5
    27 November 2017 19: 09
    The most important thing is to find a reason for suffering. Let it not be obvious, not tangible, let it
    "not necessarily" by Damascus
    , but what would have been.
    Otherwise, a bunch of unnecessary body movements are very difficult to justify. Do I speak correctly, God's chosen ones?
    1. +5
      27 November 2017 19: 56
      Quote: CAT BAYUN
      The most important thing is to find a reason for suffering. Let it not be obvious, not tangible, let it
      "not necessarily" by Damascus
      , but what would have been.
      Otherwise, a bunch of unnecessary body movements are very difficult to justify. Do I speak correctly, God's chosen ones?

      Why are God's chosen ones not loved even in Australia? Maybe for an irrepressible desire to grab someone else's with a smart look and honest eyes?
      1. +8
        27 November 2017 22: 11
        for the irrepressible desire to grab someone else's with a smart look and honest eyes?

        And in no case should we forget about the suffering expression on his face.
        Without that, it’s impossible ...
    2. +1
      28 November 2017 06: 51
      There is no "heap of body movements". There are heaps of a completely different kind. Like the ones that you are piling up. By hand-made monuments on the site.
  22. +2
    27 November 2017 22: 46
    I do not know how it is there, but today it became known about the visit to Israel of Sergei Naryshkin, director of the Foreign Intelligence Service of Russia. He flew to Israel last Thursday to discuss the situation in Syria and Iran. Naryshkin met with Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman, the head of the Mossad, Yossi Cohen, and the national security adviser to the office of the head of government, Meir ben Shabat.
    It is noted that Naryshkin arrived in Israel the day after Vladimir Putin met with the presidents of Turkey and Iran in Sochi to discuss the future of Syria. Naryshkin informed the Israelis about the negotiations in Sochi.
    A government source told reporters that, in turn, Naryshkin "took away" the Israeli response that Jerusalem did not consider it its duty to abide by the ceasefire agreement in southern Syria or any other agreement between Russia, Turkey and Iran that would limit its opportunities to protect your interests and security.
  23. +3
    28 November 2017 04: 31
    Quote: A. Privalov
    A source in the government told reporters that, in turn, Naryshkin "took away" Israel's response that Jerusalem does not consider itself obligated to abide by the ceasefire in southern Syria or any other agreement between Russia, Turkey and Iran that would limited his ability to protect his interests and security.


    Seeing the root. The unlimited interests and security of Izrail are global and unipolar. The fate of the Jews is their Zionism.
    1. +1
      28 November 2017 06: 53
      This is right and right. Zionism is our everything for Jews and Israel. And for me personally, including.
    2. +4
      28 November 2017 09: 55
      Quote: cedar
      Seeing the root. The unlimited interests and security of Izrail are global and unipolar. The fate of the Jews is their Zionism.

      That's right! As everyone is well aware, Zionism is a movement whose goal is to unite and revive the Jewish people in its historic homeland, Israel. Point. Everything else, from the evil one.
  24. +1
    28 November 2017 05: 52
    But is it possible to somehow adjust the borders so that Israel sleeps peacefully? What is the problem? After all, Iran is quite far from Israel?
    1. +1
      28 November 2017 08: 01
      Quote: Archon
      But is it possible to somehow adjust the borders so that Israel sleeps peacefully? What is the problem? After all, Iran is quite far from Israel?

      Israel has no oil and Iranian minerals
    2. 0
      28 November 2017 12: 22
      Quote: Archon
      what is the problem? Isn't Iran quite far from Israel?


      The problem is that Iran, being 1500 km away from Israel, finances terrorists around Israel. This is the main problem. Iran is a sponsor of terror around Israel.
      1. 0
        28 November 2017 13: 45
        And what do the terrorists want from you that they have gathered around Israel?

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"