Ulyukayev: I plead not guilty

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Today, in the Zamoskvoretsky court of Moscow, the interrogation of ex-head of the Ministry of Economic Development Alexei Ulyukayev, who is accused of committing a corruption crime, began. Recall that Ulyukaev is accused of extorting 2 million dollars (in the form of a bribe) from the management of Rosneft.

It should be noted that the chairman of the board of directors of Rosneft did not appear as a witness in court.



This is the fourth refusal of Sechin to appear in court on the summons. Every time the head of Rosneft declared that he had a busy schedule.

Alexei Ulyukayev during the court hearing, which was already 18-m in a row, said that he did not plead guilty. Ulyukaev’s lawyers noted that the investigation itself was conducted with irregular procedures and indicated that the indictment also contained gross violations of the law. The defense of Ulyukayev demanded that the court return the case to the prosecutor's office. Zamoskvoretsky court rejected such a petition (demand).

Ulyukayev: I plead not guilty


Before the beginning of the trial, in which, as already noted, the ex-minister of the Russian Cabinet of Ministers declared his innocence, he spoke to journalists. One of the topics for conversation was not a criminal case at all, but Ulyukaev’s favorite book. The ex-official of the government of the Russian Federation said that such a book, as well as the best, is for him “Robinson Crusoe” by Daniel Defoe.
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  1. +12
    27 November 2017 13: 03
    ...... and in China he would be shot sad ...... I wish we did.
    1. +8
      27 November 2017 13: 10
      Shooting is easy, but this topic is not for our forum.
      1. +12
        27 November 2017 13: 42
        Quote: Going
        Shooting is easy, but this topic is not for our forum.

        Quarter or lead where to pour?
        Destroy the business! Quietly, peacefully, just a little ... How did it not appear On the agenda? Do not care about the schedule! The law is one for all! I would not have appeared as a witness, so they would have brought me handcuffed ...
        1. +9
          27 November 2017 15: 06
          Oh, how much we don't know yet.
          1. +2
            27 November 2017 15: 49
            It’s better not to know, I guess. We have a couple of newspapers and magazines in which the deeds and incomes of officials, for example, Minister of Internal Affairs Kalinyak, are constantly described. He chuckles, the rest, too. All over the world the same way, they took, take, steal, saw, extort. Such is the lot of an official, otherwise it will not be. Bessrebnikov- units, and they do not work for a long time, interfere.
            1. +8
              27 November 2017 15: 51
              Quote: Slovak
              Bessrebnikov- units, and they do not work for a long time, interfere.


              They do not take root there, and they will never get there.
        2. +1
          28 November 2017 11: 04
          They don’t even fall apart. There is no evidence base. Judging by what is in the public domain - not even rushed. Rather it will not prepared, from the word at all. And Sechin especially has nothing to say in court. Ulyukaev showed 2 fingers? Seriously? And this nonsense should be voiced a second time?
        3. 0
          28 November 2017 17: 08
          Quote: Black
          ... and in China he would be shot ...... that would be the case with us.

          the people trust - "here they’ll shoot and that's it - corruption will end !!"
          In China, they shoot daily on average 3 man, if only one thought of the exclamators - and whence those who take a bullet tomorrow? the day after tomorrow? in a month? those for whom now things are only excited?They were stopped - what is already in China LONG shot for corruption? Yeah, shchaz ....
          In the Second World War at the front, the rear pilots stole food - stopped one of the rear GUARANTEED in the case of capture, death? Virtually without a court or a lawyer, in fact, "According to the laws of the war"?
          Stopped Decree 7-8 linden military unit road to the war and immediately after? Everyone shone without exception there ....
          In the Middle Ages, counterfeiters publicly fried in oil in squares with notifications of all citizens - judging by the fact that fried all Middle Ages (several centuries !!) apparently nifiga did not help ...
          In Islam, adultery is stoned to death - already 1300 beat for years (still in the Arab countries) ... Helps ?? Stops women ?? Yeah ....

          Any tightening of punishment without a set of measures is pointless. That's when a set of measures will work - punishment, cost control, the impossibility of direct interaction with people, the inability to legalize criminal proceeds, decent money, the prospect of a long and high-quality job in a government agency, a decent pension, simplification of the law (and sometimes a significant complication, even such sometimes it’s desirable), and a bunch of conditions - then we will have a more or less resolved issue with corruption ..

          And do not nod to abroad - I looked out of sporting interest, there such corruption cases are spinning, mom do not grieve !!
          Just hammer in - corruption in the USA, Germany, the Netherlands, Great Britain, Sweden, France .......... Vatican !! So many corruption scandals will come out !!!
          Even in the Vatican, they managed to corrupt themselves at 2,5 llama euros on landscaping and maintenance of housing and communal services
          1. 0
            29 November 2017 05: 43
            Quote: your1970
            Any tightening of punishment without a set of measures is pointless. That's when a set of measures will work - punishment, cost control, the impossibility of direct interaction with people, the inability to legalize criminal proceeds, decent money, the prospect of a long and high-quality job in a government agency, a decent pension, simplification of the law (and sometimes a significant complication, even such sometimes it’s desirable), and a bunch of conditions - then we will have a more or less resolved issue with corruption ..

            You painted the USSR.
            1. 0
              29 November 2017 07: 46
              Quote: ghby

              You painted the USSR.
              - below a frenzied bunch of comments with the general slogan "Y-Y-Y-Y-Shot !!!", "Y-Y-Y-Y-Y-in China, the family pays for the cartridge !!!!". In general, to shoot (and preferably all at once) and happiness will fall to everyone at once .....

              Even in the USSR, despite the rather complete anti-corruption complex + the complete lack of interest in the means of production (factories / plants / oil rigs / etc.) + The inability to spend big money (well, it was impossible to buy a football team or an airplane then) - there were quite a lot cases of corruption. All the affairs of the guild workers (who received money from work with material funds) - they didn’t take the funds from the air. Someone above, at the level of distribution of funds, made decisions - and obviously not "free of charge, that is, for free !!" ". Everyone knows about Uzbek affairs, practically they don’t talk about affairs with postscripts in the forest.
              And the famous 300 tanks (before the war!) - when the industry reported that they delivered them - and the army that didn’t receive them. Who then received the prizes for overfulfilling the plan and greased military representatives to subscribe to the left tanks? Guess three times .... ..corruption in its prime ..... And Stalin was alive ....
      2. +2
        27 November 2017 18: 42
        Shooting is easy, but this topic is not for our forum.

        The worst thing for them is confiscation! So that he served for the year 3 proforma, but he himself, his relatives remained in their underpants, this is the punishment. But the thought does not support her! And in the knowledge, fines multiple of a bribe can be said to not award. The government protects its revenues, and the victim of the "interspecific" struggle is Ulyukaev
        1. +6
          27 November 2017 20: 37
          Yes, then their whole meaning of life is lost.
    2. RL
      +4
      27 November 2017 14: 27
      Sechina? For ignoring Russian laws about calling to court? It is high time! And then he made a slander to protect himself from responsibility for his sins with Rosneft and hides, "friend"
    3. +2
      27 November 2017 14: 57
      You are a tyrant laughing Then you will have to shoot so many high-ranking bureaucrats - a bloody river. It’s better not to pull a thread. They’ll put them in prison, set them free, and reward them. Money over the hill will remain for Mr. Diver’s happy old age. hi
    4. +1
      27 November 2017 16: 25
      Come on you. Now, if he had stolen a pack of buckwheat, grabbed a 5ok planer and then just 2 million, grabbed it. He is attracted to house arrest.
    5. 0
      27 November 2017 17: 44
      This epidemic is used to taking bribes easily and naturally, therefore, sincerely believes that this is normal, the top should admit that bribes, kickbacks are fuuuuu, these are traitors to the motherland and punishment is execution.
    6. 0
      27 November 2017 21: 22
      '' ...... and in China they would have shot him ...... that would be the case with us. '' Together with lawyers.
  2. +7
    27 November 2017 13: 03
    Sure. Look who's Talking. Now everything is returned, rehabilitated, reinstated and punished all involved. We had a precedent: Serdyukov, Vasilyeva.
    1. +1
      27 November 2017 13: 15
      All in all ..2 million dollars (in the form of a bribe) .. Ministers are becoming smaller ... laughing
  3. +3
    27 November 2017 13: 07
    It's not my fault! Only the "basket with sausage" extorted!
    1. +1
      27 November 2017 13: 24
      Quote: 210ox
      It's not my fault! Only the "basket with sausage" extorted!
      I just wanted to eat a tight sausage!
      The ex-official of the government of the Russian Federation said that for him such a book, as well as the best, is "Robinson Crusoe" Daniel Defoe
      Hungry bureaucrat robinson in concrete jungle laughing
      1. +1
        27 November 2017 13: 26
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Hungry bureaucrat robinson in concrete jungle



        Official Robinson is under house arrest in his luxury apartment and is unlikely to eat worse than you
        1. jjj
          +1
          27 November 2017 14: 19
          Robinson was a sailor from York. He was drawn to the homeland of the heart?
        2. +1
          27 November 2017 17: 19
          Quote: Town Hall
          Official Robinson is under house arrest in his luxury apartment and is unlikely to eat worse than you

          And what is there with Kerimka that you hear? Sits "heart"?
  4. +6
    27 November 2017 13: 07
    Comrade, sincerely perplexed. He lived like everyone else. And then bam and the rules changed. It is necessary to warn, from whom it is impossible to take.
  5. 0
    27 November 2017 13: 07
    "Ulyukaev’s lawyers noted that the investigation itself was conducted in violation of the procedures, and indicate that the indictment also contains gross violations of the law ..."
    Yes, you might think that in such a resonant case, the SC did not check / double-check everything a hundred times! Time is dragging ... There are some plans to see ...
    1. +4
      27 November 2017 13: 21
      Quote: Evrodav
      Yes, you might think that in such a resonant case, the SC did not check / double-check everything a hundred times!



      In such a resonant case, the pros from the UK did not manage, in violation of all the norms of the Code of Criminal Procedure, to even conduct an elementary confrontation between the accused and the “victim”. Despite the fundamental contradictions in their testimony ....
    2. 0
      27 November 2017 13: 26
      Quote: Evrodav
      Yes, you might think that in such a resonant case, the SC did not check / double-check everything a hundred times! Time is dragging ... There are some plans to see ...

      What is there to check? wassat A man demanded twenty kilograms of American money for his services. And he said: "Collect in a bag, and I will drop by and pick you up" ... lol
      There is a very simple way to establish the truth. Conduct an interrogation in the UK using the "lie detector" and Ulyukaev and Sechin in the presence of the appointed parliamentary commission. What is wrong with that? A lawyer can say anything, they pay him money for it. Only the court should make a decision based on irrefutable evidence and reliable facts, and not on the basis of emotions and feelings ...
      1. +7
        27 November 2017 13: 34
        Quote: Esoteric
        There is a very simple way to establish the truth. Conduct an interrogation in the UK using the "lie detector" and Ulyukaev and Sechin in the presence of the appointed parliamentary commission.



        Do you know countries where the testimony of the “lie detector” is legal evidence? Think about why ... And why the parliamentary commission? Time:


        Quote: Esoteric
        Only the court should make a decision based on irrefutable evidence and reliable facts, and not on the basis of emotions and feelings ...



        Or do you trust more politicians than judges?


        PSUlyukaev as a defendant has the right to remain silent or even to lie. But Sechin-no. He is obliged to the truth and only the truth. And he has no right to refuse to testify and not to appear in court.
        1. 0
          27 November 2017 14: 30
          Ulyukaev, as a defendant, has the right to remain silent or even lie.

          This is where it says that the accused has the right to give false testimonies?
          1. +1
            27 November 2017 14: 40
            In the CPC including
            1. 0
              27 November 2017 14: 44
              the CPC says that you have the right not to testify against yourself.
              And these are completely different things.
              1. +3
                27 November 2017 14: 49
                Quote: glory1974
                the CPC says that you have the right not to testify against yourself.
                And these are completely different things.



                Seriously?. In jurisprudence, this principle applies - everything is allowed that is not prohibited by law. Show the article of the Criminal Code where the responsibility of the suspect / accused / defendant for giving knowingly false ...
                1. 0
                  27 November 2017 14: 57
                  Who is considered the subject of a crime under Art. 307 of the Criminal Code for giving false evidence? The subject of this crime is special, the responsibility for giving false testimony in the investigation, court or inquiry comes from 16 years. The title of the article directly lists these categories: Witness. The definition of the concept is contained in Art. 56 Code of Criminal Procedure. The legislator implies that the witness is a person who could potentially be aware of all those circumstances that are important for the investigation and for the resolution of the criminal case, and who is called to testify. Victim. A definition of the concept is contained and legal status is in Art. 42 Code of Criminal Procedure. A natural person shall be recognized as a victim, to whom a crime has inflicted physical, as well as property or moral harm. A legal entity is recognized as a victim when a crime inflicts harm to his property, his business reputation. Expert. In Art. 57 Code of Criminal Procedure indicates that this is a person with special knowledge, appointed in the prescribed manner in order to conduct a forensic examination and to give an opinion. For example, the expert gives the conclusions of the forensic medical examination on the number of wounds and the nature of the application, mental sanity and other tasks. Specialist. Article 58 of the UKP indicates that this is a person who: a) has specialized knowledge; b) is involved in procedural actions in the prescribed manner; c) assists in the detection, consolidation and seizure of objects / documents, the use of technical means in the process of examining criminal case materials in order to raise questions for the expert, as well as in order to explain to the court and the parties to the matter issues falling within the scope of his professional competence. Interpreter. Article 59 of the Code of Criminal Procedure indicates that this is a person who is involved in criminal proceedings and is fluent in the language whose knowledge is needed for translation.
                  Source: http://ugolovnyi-expert.com/dacha-lozhnyx-pokazan
                  ij-po-ugolovnomu-delu-statya /
                  1. +3
                    27 November 2017 15: 02
                    Quote: glory1974
                    Who is considered the subject of a crime under Art. 307 of the Criminal Code for giving false evidence?




                    Well? ... Witness, victim, expert, translator.


                    And where is the suspect / accused / defendant in the list of those responsible for giving the false?
                    1. 0
                      27 November 2017 15: 33
                      And where is the suspect / accused / defendant in the list of those responsible for giving the false?

                      You're right. He is not there. It turns out our court is truly the most humane in the world. In the USA and in England there is an article and for the suspect, we do not! drinks
                      1. +1
                        27 November 2017 15: 41
                        Quote: glory1974
                        And where is the suspect / accused / defendant in the list of those responsible for giving the false?

                        You're right. He is not there. It turns out our court is truly the most humane in the world. In the USA and in England there is an article and for the suspect, we do not! drinks




                        Are you sure there are?)
        2. 0
          28 November 2017 18: 44
          “All animals are equal. But some animals are more equal than others! ”
  6. +2
    27 November 2017 13: 09
    I don’t watch the ort ... We are still being presented with this as an act of fighting corruption?
  7. +7
    27 November 2017 13: 09
    For me personally, Ulyukaev is guilty only of the fact that he is involved in the liberalization of Russia in the ranks of the Putin government. But the fact that he allegedly extorted something from Sechin ... A big question. If Sechin is so innocent, why isn’t he going to court?
    1. +7
      27 November 2017 13: 33
      Quote: Gardamir
      If Sechin is so innocent, why isn’t he going to court?

      It was not appropriate for the boyar to walk to servile chambers ... lol And how easy it is to blame all the blame on Ulyukaev ... belay That’s why it was all bad that the minister took bribes ... And therefore, oil fell in price, and gasoline went up in price ... bully Right now they will turn up, and we will live humanly, like cheese in butter we will ride ... belay or hanging out like something in an ice hole ... wassat
    2. +4
      27 November 2017 23: 41
      Quote: Gardamir
      But the fact that he allegedly extorted something from Sechin ... A big question. If Sechin is so innocent, why isn’t he going to court?

      So it is not proven yet! And the main witness, Sechin, why doesn’t go to court. In fact, it turned out that a friend Sechin handed a bag and sausages to a friend Ulyukaev. And Ulyukaev didn’t even open that bag. And I didn’t take those money into my hands! And not a dream, not a spirit about it. But you never know what gifts friend Sechin hands in a pursuit. Ulyukaev did not give those sausages and handbag, exactly, any value. I thought there are documents, papers that need to be viewed. What he declares directly.
      So this business is sewn like white thread. By the way, and Sechin just needs to be closed, for giving a bribe, which no one with him, did not demand a campaign!
  8. +6
    27 November 2017 13: 11
    It's disgusting all
  9. +4
    27 November 2017 13: 14
    It is difficult to assess the objectivity of the investigation in which the only witness for the prosecution is the person who organized the “bribe” and materially handed it over, and on the words of which the whole charge rests, refuses to come to court to testify.
    1. +1
      27 November 2017 13: 16
      Then you must be responsible for giving false testimonies. One of the two is still extreme. The task is how to save both?
    2. +4
      27 November 2017 14: 07
      Quote: Town Hall
      It is difficult to assess the objectivity of the investigation in which the only witness for the prosecution is the person who organized the “bribe” and materially handed it over, and on the words of which the whole charge rests, refuses to come to court to testify.

      They have already said for him, he is now in Italy on urgent matters. He often goes there to restore procedures and slow down senile changes, his wife is new and young, and besides, the yacht is moored somewhere.
      1. +1
        27 November 2017 14: 44
        Quote: Stroporez
        He often goes there to restore procedures and slow down senile changes, his wife is new and young, and besides, the yacht is moored somewhere.

        Yes, his wife threw him, for the sake of a young Italian rider, just recently, the news slipped fellow What are the interrogations wassat
        1. +2
          27 November 2017 16: 35
          Quote: Stirbjorn
          Yes, his wife threw him, for the sake of a young Italian rider, just recently the news slipped fellow What weresat interrogations

          probably drinks wassat
  10. 0
    27 November 2017 13: 17
    The problem for the court is highly qualified lawyers - who cling to every “roughness” of the investigation. And they will work out the fee to the last, they have such a job ...
    1. +1
      27 November 2017 15: 14
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The problem for the court are highly qualified lawyers

      The problem of the courts is not in the high qualifications of lawyers, but in themselves, in the insufficient qualifications of the judges themselves, who are unable to compete with lawyers on an equal footing .... Very well-trained defenders come across - they cling to every little thing so that everything is legally and not by telephone law .. .. Lawyers are shitty ... Well, and how to work in such conditions for a Russian judge ... recourse
      Oh, there was a time when they were judged on the basis of revolutionary legal consciousness - and now they have come, why will they force us to learn more ... crying It is clear to any fool - lawyers are to blame for everything, they are not allowed to deploy an uncompromising fight against corruption am
      1. +4
        27 November 2017 15: 20
        Quote: ranger
        The problem of the courts is not in the high qualifications of lawyers, but in themselves, in the insufficient qualifications of the judges themselves, who are unable to compete with the lawyers on equal terms.




        Attorneys should oppose the lawyers ... not the judge.


        The judge should not oppose anyone, but only ensure the lawfulness of what is happening and decide on the law (called the totality of evidence) and conscience (called internal conviction)
        1. 0
          27 November 2017 15: 38
          Quote: Town Hall
          decision by law (called the totality of evidence) and conscience (called inner conviction)

          The main thing is that decisions should be made on the basis of the law, not telephone law - and the judge should be qualified to objectively and competently evaluate the arguments of the defense.
          As for the internal conviction, the beliefs are different - so close to the revolutionary legal consciousness, where the law with its totality of evidence is no longer needed ...
          PS By the way, what did Sechin want to spit on everything and was not already on the fourth subpoena - are too very competent lawyers to blame?
          1. +2
            27 November 2017 16: 21
            Quote: ranger
            As for the internal conviction, the beliefs are different - so close to the revolutionary legal consciousness, where the law with its totality of evidence is no longer needed ...



            The inner conviction of the investigator or judge is not an abstract such concept from a series of believe in extraterrestrials or do not believe. This is quite a legal moment spelled out in the same Code of Criminal Procedure. And should be based on the same evidence base.

            I don’t just believe / I don’t believe because I feel like it. But because I rely on such facts from the case. And I must justify this in the sentence
      2. +1
        27 November 2017 18: 55
        they cling to every little thing, so that everything according to the law is and not according to the telephone right .... Lawyers are bad ... How can a Russian judge work in such conditions?

        Having worked before the position of a judge, 5 years old, in the secretaries of a judge and having set up a qualification exam for money? I don’t know, it’s probably very difficult!
        It is clear to any fool - lawyers are to blame for everything, they are not allowed to deploy an uncompromising fight against corruption

        and corrupt officials are and are loot for the right sentences crying
  11. +2
    27 November 2017 13: 21
    Honestly, it all smells of a setup. Ulyukaev could not demand a bribe from Sechin. It’s the same as he would come to Putin and demand ...)
    Another thing is that Ulyukaev is actually an enemy of Russia, nowhere to put stigmas. This is evident even from his poems.
    But why was such a clumsy ... mmm ... operative S organized?
    We are unlikely to find out about this someday.
    1. 0
      27 November 2017 13: 29
      And this could have been calculated. Scare for the ugly.
    2. +4
      27 November 2017 14: 26
      Here is the version of Ulyukaev, if you are interested. (It seems like a setup to me, too).

      “Two or three times he [Sechin] himself came to me with a bulk bag. These were voluminous gifts — either a family watch or a model of a derrick. This, as I understand it, was the norm of business etiquette, ”-
      said Ulyukaev in the Zamoskvoretsky court.

      As the former minister noted, when Sechin again came to him with a big bag, this
      did not arouse his suspicions. According to Ulyukaev, in one of the previous meetings, the head
      Rosneft promised to treat it with “excellent wine”, which the minister “never
      I haven’t tried it, ”so he was sure that the promised alcohol was in the bag.
      1. +1
        27 November 2017 18: 44
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Here is the version of Ulyukaev, if you are interested. (It seems like a setup to me, too).

        And I did not find anywhere where it would be said that Ulyukaev himself took these 20 kg of American money + the weight of the bag ... It’s so easy ...
        White birch - with a wave of his hand ...
        - Who are you? - they asked.
        - Ulyukaev ...
        Guarded men ...
        Dialogs are interesting:
        https://snob.ru/selected/entry/128665
        A substitute of pure water ... Have you vacated a place? stop I don’t think that Ulyukaev lacked $ 2 million for "complete happiness" ... No.
  12. +3
    27 November 2017 13: 23
    Quote: Black
    ...... and in China he would be shot sad ...... I wish we did.

    And relatives in China also pay 9 yuan for a cartridge. Where is our protection against thieves? And for a chicken or a bucket of potatoes, or a traffic cop for 500 p. bribes will ring for years to come. Joseph Vissarionych, stop sleeping, it's time to wake up! And for stolen lard, it’s purely business. Pig Vasilyeva, her curator Field Marshal Taburetkin and further on the list. Ay-ah-yay.
    1. 0
      27 November 2017 13: 30
      Nobody touches their own.
  13. 0
    27 November 2017 13: 39
    Okay, so .. sat, talked about books ..
    I can argue that there will be either little evidence or a violation in the actions of the investigation, well, for the most extreme case, a suspended sentence, which is unlikely.
    Also, the chair, in which thread, the state corporation will take
  14. NKT
    0
    27 November 2017 13: 57
    Quote: Evrodav

    Yes, you might think that in such a resonant case, the SC did not check / double-check everything a hundred times! Time is dragging ... There are some plans to see ...


    They probably want to reach the 75th anniversary of Victory, under an amnesty
    1. +2
      27 November 2017 14: 12
      who has not pleaded guilty to an amnesty cannot count.
  15. +6
    27 November 2017 14: 04
    Ulyukaev pleads not guilty. And even though one detained rubbish in human guise, pleaded guilty? No, of course, all are white and fluffy.
  16. 0
    27 November 2017 14: 11
    Ndaa .... once again we are convinced that there is no law in our country !! And these can do anything. And the law works only against mere mortals (people)!
  17. +4
    27 November 2017 14: 16
    Something Sechin is clearly evading the affidavit.
    A snout in a cannon? ... But he brewed everything.
  18. 0
    27 November 2017 14: 35
    The impudence of this passenger has crossed all borders.
  19. +2
    27 November 2017 14: 48
    he’s a kid from Kodla, but probably, one had to turn in and ... the choice fell on him ... There are no saints there and this is not holy, but for some reason he got ... Or Sechin didn’t serve something and that one him him ordered and handed over ...
  20. 0
    27 November 2017 15: 01
    Now, in which case, still feed this geek at our expense ...
  21. +1
    27 November 2017 15: 15
    And it seems to me that they won’t even be wise - according to the scheme they’ll work ... Remember the scandal with bribes with the purchase of Mercedes in the FSO and the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... "who did not get this money, the TFR did not begin to establish, since the criminal case was not initiated upon taking bribes ( Article 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), but fraud (Article 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). According to investigators, DaimlerCrysler AG turned out to be deceived, allegedly giving money not to those who were authorized to make decisions on contracts, but to nothing that affected the intermediaries. "
    1. 0
      27 November 2017 19: 21
      Quote: tank66
      And it seems to me that they won’t even be wise - according to the scheme they’ll work ... Remember the scandal with bribes with the purchase of Mercedes in the FSO and the Ministry of Internal Affairs ... "who did not get this money, the TFR did not begin to establish, since the criminal case was not initiated upon taking bribes ( Article 290 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), but fraud (Article 159 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation). According to investigators, DaimlerCrysler AG turned out to be deceived, allegedly giving money not to those who were authorized to make decisions on contracts, but to nothing that affected the intermediaries. "

      It is easy to designate a scapegoat. The system does not change ....
  22. 0
    27 November 2017 16: 24
    Town Hall,
    Are you sure there are?)

    of course. When I read the comments on our Criminal Code, there were links to world experience.
    1. +2
      27 November 2017 16: 29
      Quote: glory1974
      Town Hall,
      Are you sure there are?)

      of course. When I read the comments on our Criminal Code, there were links to world experience.




      In fact, not everything is so simple or straightforward there. In any case, in that system, the right to lie impudently in the presence of the jury will be left to the defendant himself. The jury are not fools and will take this into account when they decide the issue of guilt
      1. 0
        28 November 2017 10: 30
        In fact, not everything is so simple or straightforward there.

        I agree with you. I remember how Bill Clinton, before testifying about the seduction of Monica, was forced to put his hand on the constitution (or somewhere else) and swear that he was telling the truth. And he could not lie.
  23. +2
    27 November 2017 16: 27
    Ulyukayev: I plead not guilty

    This money is to blame.
  24. +4
    27 November 2017 16: 40
    I think Ulyukaev will be released soon. A lesson was taught to him. But Sechin is certainly beautiful! He spat on the court and grinded! For laws and their implementation for cattle! Go to the polls respected and vote, especially for Putin.
  25. +1
    27 November 2017 18: 37
    Ulyukayev: I plead not guilty

    Yes, one hundred percent of the setup. People of this level are not exchanged for such a trifle. Yes, and the behavior of Sechin (she’s still a bastard) in court, speaks against the prosecution.
  26. 0
    27 November 2017 20: 56
    Brick, too, did not plead guilty until Zhiglov brains set him ...
  27. +3
    28 November 2017 00: 08
    Yes, how has it four times refused to appear on the subpoena ?! No, well, okay, there would be some kind of gangster ... and here is a statesman of a high rank! What kind of disrespect is this for the Russian court? He would try to not appear in the Soviet court. Especially the one that was under Stalin! What are such urgent matters for this Sechin when the whole country is watching the process ?! For our elite, it seems that no framework exists at all. They wanted to spit on the demand of the court, and on the opinion of the people.
  28. +1
    28 November 2017 01: 38
    They share these two blokes, former OUR, national property. And I, like many of us, mugs, in my naivety thought that "people" were us! About this Dunaevsky and Lebedev-Kumach for people like me and others like me, wrote a song about their homeland, in which there are such words:
    "From Moscow to the outskirts,
    From the southern mountains to the northern seas
    man passes as master
    His vast homeland. "
    Many of us stood guard over our “vast country”, and many gave our lives for this. And their eternal memory. And we, the living, it is better to be "mugs" than hmyrami. Once, the Khmir will have to answer for everything. "Poor, but honest!" So once upon a time, old people said.
  29. 0
    28 November 2017 06: 44
    Time pulled waiting for an amnesty for the presidential election. But here we have a man drunk with a neighbor dragged 5 rabbits and a broken chainsaw (the neighbor, as it were supposed to). So he was given 2.5 years without delay. In Russia, you need to steal millions and be in the cage of power then nothing will happen.
  30. 0
    28 November 2017 10: 01
    Rested. Tightened up. Not otherwise, the pool also visits the gym. Well done what, time is not wasted. And they drove in a hog-handcuffs
  31. 0
    28 November 2017 10: 53
    They will be given conditionally taking into account pre-trial detention centers.
  32. 0
    28 November 2017 16: 36
    "This is Sechin’s fourth refusal to appear in court on a subpoena."
    That's how our celestials respect our Russian court. It's time to solder the term for contempt of court and obstruction of justice, something like that is in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
    And Mr. Ulyukaev is already guilty of the fact that as a minister he did nothing to develop the Russian economy, and he received a very decent monetary maintenance, per month, about three annual salaries of an ordinary Russian, and this is a big deal.
    It was necessary to work, Mr. Ulyukaev, then there would be no time to squeeze out bribes and get settled with junk. Lord, bring Stalin back!

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