Appeared the first photo wheel SAU "Coalition-SV-KSh"

The first photo of a promising self-propelled howitzer "Coalition-SV" on a wheeled chassis has been published on the Internet. The picture was taken in July at the Mulino range in the Nizhny Novgorod region, where the commanders of the armed forces of Russia and Belarus were shown the latest military equipment.

Recall 152-millimeter self-propelled gun "Coalition" was developed in the Nizhny Novgorod Central Research Institute "Burevestnik". A prototype of self-propelled crawler self-propelled guns was demonstrated at the Victory Parade in Moscow. In parallel with it, the wheel version of the ACS and the transport-loading machine are being developed.

The wheel version is based on a reinforced four-axle KamAZ chassis. In a combat position, the artistema is hung on four powerful supports. Nevertheless, the commentators of the picture expressed doubts about the stability of the machine when turning the tower 90 degrees, especially given the frantic pace of shooting "Coalition". Thanks to the pneumatic automatic loader, the gun makes up to 16 rounds per minute - a world record.

Tower control is fully automated. The calculation of the SAU of three people is placed either in an isolated armored capsule (tracked version) or in an armored KamAZ cabin. Earlier it was reported that on the basis of the "Coalition" can be created coastal artillery for the Navy and a robotic artillery system, remotely controlled.

State tests of self-propelled guns will begin soon, said the chief designer of Uraltransmash, where they assemble the tracked Coalitions - the base for them was the chassis of another Ural self-propelled gun, 2-5 Hyacinth. First of all new weapons it is supposed to equip specialized artillery brigades, reports RG-Sil

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[Primoos]

Especially for doubting commentators, outriggers will withstand a heavy load at times. Let them not doubt it. It looks like a gun mount for sale in countries with dry and hard ground.

[Logall]

We have cranes on such paws and do not swing ... And on the crane the trunk is much longer ...
Howitzers will move much faster in Kamaz ... This is good where there are roads!

[hrych]

Quote: Logall

This is good where there are roads!

Yars and even Rubezh missiles will not iron Poland and Romania. Here is the work of Iskander and 3BV3 shells for such guns as this. That’s why they are so nervous from the TNW of the Russian Federation, they know what they will get from the wort

[RL]

You, your comment, confirm that Russia is going to attack? And are plans and weapons already prepared? Thanks for the info.

[Primoos]

Quote: RL

You, your comment, confirm that Russia is going to attack? And are plans and weapons already prepared? Thanks for the info.

here we are pierced! Now the Pentagon will know everything! What to do? Where to run? He recognized everything! This James Bond RL Already, probably, canned goods ran up and shovels for caches, sickly.

[hrych]

Quote: RL

Is Russia going to attack?

The entry of Eastern European countries into NATO is a threat to the Russian Federation. A new cold war began, sanctions, the seizure of Ukraine, etc. Objects like missile defense appear, etc. directly threatening us, so we will put a nuclear "gun", if you want, to your head. Our doctrine is proactive, i.e. if we see dangerous movements then "pull the trigger." After the deposition of Turkey, NATO was very weak, Syria, Crimea, Georgia’s pacification, expulsion of the Americans from Manas, provided us with the stability of the southern front, where, according to NATO plans, the main load was on the half-million Turkish army. Now we have freed forces, of course, will go to the West. Therefore, we saved Prague from German liquidation, perhaps we will raze it to the ground

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: RL

You, your comment, confirm that Russia is going to attack? And are plans and weapons already prepared? Thanks for the info.

We confirm that NATO, which has built its nest in Poland and other fagot "friends", will be burned out. Here are such tools.

[St Petrov]

maybe the frame is unsuccessful, but for me it has already slipped visually

[Jedi]

Quote: Primoos

It looks like a gun mount for sale in countries with dry and hard ground.

I support your opinion, the more so because in another source the information on the Coalition-SV-KS was submitted exactly in this vein.

[Dezinto]

aa suffered .... I feel the whole branch of thoughts will be about whether the supports crashed into the ground? )))) I don’t mind, of course, it’s interesting, it’s just funny how everyone decided to find out exactly this problem, well, here you need a video ......

gun mount for sale to countries with dry and hard ground.

Well, not from the beach, he intended to shoot. Surely! And we have hard ground to find, of course, yeah, hardooo. around quicksand

[Jedi]

Quote: DEZINTO

here you need a video ...

And it's not a fact that the debate will subside. I think that the developers of the wheeled version thought about this not least.

[penal battalion]

During the legendary operation "Bagration" with tanks this problem was solved ...... and they will solve it here, if they have not already solved it.

[Jedi]

The wheeled version would go through a combat run-in in Syria in order to identify and correct deficiencies ...

[penal battalion]

Judging by the situation in foreign policy, we will still experience and repeatedly ...

[Jedi]

Quote: Penalty

Judging by the situation in foreign policy, we will still experience and repeatedly ...

Quote: Going

Or maybe already, they are not obliged to report to us.

I definitely support both opinions!

[Going]

Or maybe already, they are not obliged to report to us.

[RL]

They have already won in Syria! 3-4 weeks ago. What a break-in in Syria, the Lord is with you !? For whom "run"? For those "conquered", which are now working on the Tu-22?

[SOF]

For those "conquered"

... not for you - that's for sure. Though you dream about it day and night.

[SOF]

Quote: DEZINTO

Do piers bump into the ground? :

... what's the problem?

[Don]

it’s immediately clear that the crane has never been laid

[SOF]

Apparently yes.
Everyone has their own shortcomings

[Per se.]

Quote: DEZINTO

Well, not from the beach, he intended to shoot. Surely!

It will not work either from the beach or from asphalt, how long it will take to deploy this complex, how quickly it can leave its position in front of a possible otvetka ... Honestly, I didn’t like the idea much compared to the tracked tank base.

[hrych]

Quote: Per se.

Honestly, I did not like the idea much, in comparison with the caterpillar, tank base.

Caterpillar samples are available, they have not been canceled, this option is very useful, both in export and for us ...

[Per se.]

Quote: hrych

This option is very useful, both in export and to us ...

The "such option" does not have a turret space, and the elevation angles of the trunk should depend on the rotation about the axis of the mobile platform. As far as a plus, to all other, there is a question-doubt, and whether this system is necessary for our army, if its export does not roll. For comparison, the scheme on the track base.

[hrych]

Now paved roads are an integral part of civilization. For a quick transfer of a tracked self-propelled gun, you need a tractor with an auto platform, at least in peacetime, so as not to destroy the asphalt, this is not required here. If you take the C-1 Shell, that is, the caterpillar modification, but the car base turned out to be so successful, both for export and for domestic consumption, that the SPG was put on it.

[Primoos]

Quote: DEZINTO

aa suffered .... I feel the whole branch of thoughts will be about whether the supports crashed into the ground? )))) I don’t mind, of course, it’s interesting, it’s just funny how everyone decided to find out exactly this problem, well, here you need a video ......

gun mount for sale to countries with dry and hard ground.

Well, not from the beach, he intended to shoot. Surely! And we have hard ground to find, of course, yeah, hardooo. around quicksand

In our probable theater, the soils are mostly clay. Have you heard anything about slag? Voooot! Therefore, we have heavy weapons on a caterpillar track.

[Yujanin.]

Quote: Primoos

It looks like a gun mount for sale in countries with dry and hard ground.

We are only FOR)

[kapitan92]

Quote: Primoos

Especially for doubting commentators, outriggers will withstand a heavy load at times. Let them not doubt it. It looks like a gun mount for sale in countries with dry and hard ground.

Nexter's CAESAR artillery system can be installed on a wide variety of truck chassis. Its buyers are France, Saudi Arabia and Thailand.
We are going the right way, comrades!

[strannik1985]

Not really, Caesar does not have a tower, in theory it should be cheaper.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Primoos

outriggers will withstand a large load at times.

The question here is not the reliability of the outriggers, but whether the artillery mount will turn over from recoil when firing when the barrel is deployed 90 degrees to the longitudinal axis of the car. Somewhere they wrote about one of the western self-propelled guns that for this reason it cannot shoot in this position.

[Monos]

Quote: Piramidon

The question here is not the reliability of the outriggers, but whether the artillery mount will turn over from recoil when firing when the barrel is deployed at 90 degrees to the longitudinal axis of the car

Is there a need to rotate at such an angle? This is not VET. It is designed to suppress artillery batteries, MLRS positions, destroy accumulations of equipment and manpower at a distance of up to 70 km. Why with such tasks spin like a spinning top? Angles of rotation in 15 degrees are enough.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Monos

Is there a need to rotate at such an angle?

In a combat situation, it is quite possible. And suddenly the adversary will drop the troops from the flank, and suddenly the intelligence has blinked ... how many such situyuins. The real battle is not a computer "Mortal Kombat" where everything can be tracked.

[x.andvlad]

Almost all self-propelled guns are not recommended to fire with the turret turning more than 45 degrees. I think in this case there are limitations. It is interesting how direct fire will be fired. Apparently, with a slight twist from the cab, or with the turret turning back.

[Alex777]

I don’t understand where this hype is from.
Specific coastal defense instead of 130mm guns.
All tasks will be solved in the best possible way. So there’s no need to worry.

[Livonetc]

But after the shot, what will happen to the fixed stops?
Will you have to reinstall them again?
Indeed, almost certainly the soil under the stops will be washed and shifted.

[Dezinto]

Indeed, almost certainly the soil under the stops will be washed and shifted.

Well, hollow yourself further, adjustment, shot, the ground sagged well, ok again, adjustment shot. Until the supports are half grown into the ground. and you can go.

Then to the side for a couple of kilometers he drove off and over again. ))) something like this.

[Primoos]

Yes, nothing will happen to them. The stabilization system will work and adjust the position of the barrel, in fact, like the caterpillar version, too.

[Deniska]

But after the shot, what will happen to the fixed stops?
Will you have to reinstall them again?
Indeed, almost certainly the soil under the stops will be washed and shifted.

Supports are needed only to extinguish the roll after firing. The main load is carried by the chassis. Consequently, after the shot, the support will return to its original position. A shot with 90g. turning will not be able to overturn the chassis. The howitzer is designed for canopy shooting, the greater the angle of fire, the smaller the roll, they will certainly not be direct fire.

[Genry]

Quote: Livonetc

Indeed, almost certainly the soil under the stops will be washed and shifted.

Under the supports you can always tighten the shoes you need.

[Alexey-74]

We are waiting for the "Coalition", it is necessary to finish the state tests ... as they say, it is to be tested in the troops during exercises.

[DenZ]

Such an evil tachanka turned out.
With an armored cabin, it would be more impressive. A lot can also happen on the march.

[Sergey53]

We believe that if it’s not at the forefront, then it’s not necessary to reserve, in order to save money.

[Primoos]

Such systems at the forefront should be contraindicated. And in the event of a cover or ambush, bulletproof armor will not save, but it will burden several tons, which is not ice.

[Vadmir]

But the crew will be calmer for any kind of armor. Psychological comfort is of great importance. Especially considering potential buyers from the Middle East who are not very durable.

[DenZ]

Exactly, however. A stray projectile (12-30 mm) will fly into the engine and the entire multi-ton chariot with a 152 mm gun will not go anywhere. Awesome prospect. For the deep rear, is there such an option without armor?

[Primoos]

From where the Coalition is pounding, crazy 30 mm shells do not fly. For the front end there are Carnations and Acacia, and even those work from closed positions, as a rule.

[Genry]

Quote: DenZ

A stray projectile (12-30 mm) will fly into the engine and the entire multi-ton chariot with a 152 mm gun will not go anywhere.

And if a meteorite flies from space, then in general, in a flat cake. That's just for all the unlikely events, no armor material is enough and the weight will become unbelievable.

[Genry]

Quote: DenZ

With an armored cabin, it would be more impressive.

This machine has a 5th booking class, which is enough to be protected from splinters during shelling.

[Sasha_Sar]

Yes! This is not a jihadmobil!

[Observer2014]

The first photo of the wheeled self-propelled gun "Coalition-SV-KSh"

And somehow immediately the Archer hanger on the basis of the Volvo dump truck was no longer the Weapon of the Future.

[dvvv]

the crane can not be compared with a gun mount! The crane is all static and there are no kicks from the recoil, and if there are several shots in a row. the gun is still high, although the developers must take this into account and experience

[penal battalion]

And do not worry ...
Tanks were thrown through the Belarusian swamps during the Second World War and in the 70s, during the construction of the Baikal-Amur Mainline, copy machines were used in the swamps of Siberia.
Probably the designers have solved this problem ... “Now,” our “non-neighbors” have a problem, especially if they put low-power nuclear warheads on the Coalition ...

[igor.borov775]

Hi !! I don’t think that our designers simply do not know about these problems. This is just an example of how installation might be. On tests, he will verify all mental problems, and others of which we are not even aware of here. Perhaps cost has a role here. Good luck to our specialists, and they know their job. And Syria probably also gave its experience to solve problems. And you have your own FORT system also on wheels. Just waiting for the test results.

[Krasnyiy komissar]

I do not understand the concept of wheeled self-propelled guns. The caterpillar chassis will pass where the wheeled vehicles immediately stall. Yes, the wheel has advantages in the form of higher speed, lower fuel consumption and a longer resource, but there are some disadvantages: low passability due to high pressure on the ground, low resistance to high temperatures, lower resistance to splinters and bullets.

[NOMADE]

This is, in part, an alternative to towed barreled artillery (cheaper and increased mobility compared to tracked self-propelled guns)

[Sergey53]

[quote] [/ quote] Everything is that in the West everything is asphalted. And they cherish it. They also do not have black soil, which means there is no dirt.

[dvvv]

If you look at how artillery was used in the post-war years, it is often a variant of Syria and Donbas, when they make homemade chassis for installing towed guns and everything is very successfully used. Three of these installations will pass to the outskirts of the village and quickly deploy, each 3-4 of their own shells and quickly take their feet to pre-selected shelters away from the firing point. And it’s not so difficult to drive on roads and in villages, even when driving on the field sometimes.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Krasnyiy komissar

I do not understand the concept of wheeled self-propelled guns. The caterpillar chassis will pass where the wheeled vehicles immediately stall. Yes, the wheel has advantages in the form of higher speed, lower fuel consumption and a longer resource, but there are some disadvantages: low passability due to high pressure on the ground, low resistance to high temperatures, lower resistance to splinters and bullets.

Nobody drags and does not dream to drag this technology to the forefront. Bullets and fragments can only be from the effects of saboteurs. Mobility is the trump card of this car. Instant arrival at the position, shooting (rate of fire - 4 seconds), and instantaneous departure. Even if the enemy controls the situation in our rear, for example, by drones, he simply will not have time to prevent the consequences of a fire raid.

[RL]

What, uh ... low passability ?! Adjustable pressurization or a decrease in tire pressure turns the wheel mover into a soft track with a large area of ​​contact with the ground and an excellent layout "Mass-area". Physics, gentlemen, p = F / S. Grip - A modern tire design provides grip at the track level. Military equipment uses tires with supercharging (in the case of a lumbar, they go further, and more expensive tires with adhesive sealing, like fuel tanks in aircraft).
As I understand it, Siberia and the BAM were not built up with caterpillars and built, but by the Czechoslovak Tatra 148, I do not detract from the share of KRAZ and BELAZ and Studebakers and Studebaker clones, and the Olympics in Moscow were not built with caterpillars, but with the same Tatra and German Magírus-Deut . On wheels. Who doesn’t remember?
Well, for history buffs - at present, in the armies of different states, the T-34 is not in demand. Collectors Can Still Be Sold

[mac789]

That is high speed. Quickly rolled out to the position. Quickly shot back. He left quickly. Units with such self-propelled guns should be. A very good tool.

[Nemesis]

I do not think that a wheeled chassis, for self-propelled guns, is a good idea ... Limited patency will make such self-propelled guns of little use ...

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Nemesis

I do not think that a wheeled chassis, for self-propelled guns, is a good idea ... Limited patency will make such self-propelled guns of little use ...

Not all soil surface will be gouged with heavy equipment and funnels. Rocky roads, and just not yet touched, are quite suitable for the KamAZ reinforced chassis. I think no one insists on the only option - only goose or just wheels. It is important to have several options, moreover, based on well-manufactured elements (serial KAMAZ, serial platform on an iron tape). The instant organization of production, and ease of maintenance in the army. Each option can do business on the shoulder.

[Nemesis]

You have never been to war, hence your delusions. A wheeled chassis for self-propelled guns does not fit at all, from the word at all ... In the same Chechnya, there were times when the T-62 tanks passed where the T-72 tanks could not pass, because the T-62 is lighter, have less ground pressure , with the same, on the latest T-62 modifications, track width with T-72 .... Front, it is always dirt and cross-country ability here matters ... self-propelled guns with a wheeled chassis in war will be useless ... This is self-propelled guns, on a wheeled chassis, this is another attempt by furniture makers to save on the army, to the detriment of quality and to manage it ...

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: Nemesis

You have never been to war, hence your delusions. A wheeled chassis for self-propelled guns does not fit at all, from the word at all ... In the same Chechnya, there were times when the T-62 tanks passed where the T-72 tanks could not pass, because the T-62 is lighter, have less ground pressure , with the same, on the latest T-62 modifications, track width with T-72 .... Front, it is always dirt and cross-country ability here matters ... self-propelled guns with a wheeled chassis in war will be useless ... This is self-propelled guns, on a wheeled chassis, this is another attempt by furniture makers to save on the army, to the detriment of quality and to manage it ...

Slingshots throwing shells over 30 kilometers will always come in handy. Instead of one five. In terms of metal consumption, labor intensity, place of manufacture (the Urals suffered from the enemy, Tatarstan rivets the ones it was imprisoned for). Or are you against it?

[Nemesis]

I am opposed, because the wheeled self-propelled guns will not even reach the front line, and there will be zero sense from the roads stuck dead in the mud ...

[sergo1914]

To hell? Self-propelled - on the tracks. The budget is towed. Why is this crooked hair? The braces only loosens.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Quote: sergo1914

To hell? Self-propelled - on the tracks. The budget is towed. Why is this crooked hair? The braces only loosens.

Modern combat dynamics of application. Artillery attack and rapid evacuation. Towed systems are only good for coastal batteries, hospitals designed to protect the coast.

[Zomanus]

A good installation should work.
For those cases when you need to quickly work and run away.
And for a wheeled chassis it’s easier to find parts than for a crawler.

[Victor Dubovitsky]

Rate of fire - 4 seconds. Will the position from recoil and swing swing out? Or is it just the technical capabilities of reloading mechanics. rather than the rate of combat fire?

[tank66]

Antiresno -che there for hydraulics, and the stability of the barrel "deflection". .. Hooked a sling for a muzzle brake - and load oil barrels, KAMAZ bridges, foundation blocks you never know what ... a la ger ..

[kirgiz58]

Quote: tank66

Antiresno -che there for hydraulics, and the stability of the barrel "deflection". .. Hooked a sling for a muzzle brake - and load oil barrels, KAMAZ bridges, foundation blocks you never know what ... a la ger ..

Do you know Ivanovo? As much, but five times more. Only an electron microscope is needed to unfasten the hydraulic spools.

[tank66]

Well, straight, and hang an enemy scout, the hydraulic pump can not?

[kirgiz58]

Quote: tank66

Well, straight, and hang an enemy scout, the hydraulic pump can not?

On a birch it is simpler, there is nothing to dirty our baby with a different scum.

[Radikal]

Quote: Logall

We have cranes on such paws and do not swing ... And on the crane the trunk is much longer ...
Howitzers will move much faster in Kamaz ... This is good where there are roads!

Cranes, unlike guns, do not shoot, and then a single recoil impulse will exceed the entire daily load of the crane (or excavator)! Found something to compare!

[Zaurbek]

This machine is a replacement for 152mm howitzers (with a long barrel and topographic reference systems) + tractor ... Simple howitzers remain in storage.

[faiver]

Now I wonder why, if it comes to a self-propelled chassis, it immediately seems that the equipment should climb impassable swamps? the entire European part of the country and abroad are traced by a huge number of different roads
But here’s what a chassis based on Kamaz doesn’t cause trust