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Argentine Navy: There were no torpedoes aboard the San Juan

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The command of the Argentine Navy is a version of the tragedy that occurred in the southwestern Atlantic. We are talking about the San-Juan diesel-electric submarine that has stopped communicating with the past week. In the Argentine Navy announced a single explosion that occurred aboard a submarine during its transition from the city of Ushuaia to the naval base in Mar del Plata.


During the press conference, the official representative of the Argentine Navy Enrique Balbi said that the cause of the explosion on board the diesel-electric submarine could be "hydrogen accumulation."

RIA News results officer statement:
Information about the explosion is taken into account. Since there were no torpedoes on board, and, accordingly, they could not explode, an assumption could be made that the explosion could have occurred due to the accumulation of hydrogen. If the reason is in hydrogen, we do not know for what reason its accumulation was formed.


Earlier in the Argentine media there were reports that on board a submarine were 44 crew member instead of 37 "necessary". There was also information about the alleged leaving of the submarine by two crew members before the transition of the submarine from the south of the country to the said military base.

Argentine Navy: There were no torpedoes aboard the San Juan


Officially, the death of the crew of the Argentine diesel-electric submarines "San Juan" is still not reported. The submarine stopped communicating on November 15.
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  1. Herculesic
    Herculesic 27 November 2017 05: 42 New
    +3
    All from the category of speculation! Until the boat is found, the sense of such conversations is zero!
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 27 November 2017 06: 11 New
      +1
      Indeed, you can argue and speculate for a long time .... there are just a ton of options for the accident! ... so yes, until they find nothing, it’s not clear.
      But what if she lay somewhere five kilometers?
      1. Dimontius
        Dimontius 27 November 2017 09: 50 New
        +3
        and what for then a boat, if there is no weapon on it? Corals to consider? PS I'm surprised, but Che was still growing. have not found a trace yet? wassat
  2. Same lech
    Same lech 27 November 2017 05: 45 New
    +2
    The Navy of Argentina presents a version of the tragedy that occurred in the southwest Atlantic.

    Guessing the coffee grounds what .

    Throughout this story, I was struck by the powerlessness of modern means of detecting submarines ... incapable of quickly and accurately detecting it ... what can we say about more modern submarines drifting in the depths of the oceans.
    All the same, modern submarines armed with intercontinental missiles are an argument against which there is nothing to oppose to the enemy.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 27 November 2017 05: 53 New
      +4
      I don’t quite agree with you. It's just that there are no modern stationary detection means in that sector of the Atlantic. This is all the "good" NATO has pushed closer to us ..
      Quote: The same Lech
      The Navy of Argentina presents a version of the tragedy that occurred in the southwest Atlantic.

      Guessing the coffee grounds what .

      Throughout this story, I was struck by the powerlessness of modern means of detecting submarines ... incapable of quickly and accurately detecting it ... what can we say about more modern submarines drifting in the depths of the oceans.
      All the same, modern submarines armed with intercontinental missiles are an argument against which there is nothing to oppose to the enemy.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 27 November 2017 05: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: The same LYOKHA
        Throughout this story, I was struck by the powerlessness of modern means of detecting submarines ...

        It’s not easy to detect dead diesel engine, in the absence of any signal sources. It’s like a drowned plane.
      2. demiurg
        demiurg 27 November 2017 06: 15 New
        +1
        Yeah, and in which case we’ll find out for 100km.

        Only one diesel engine crawling into the channel can close the passage with mines specifically for supertankers. And they don’t fight without oil.
      3. Same lech
        Same lech 27 November 2017 06: 19 New
        0
        It’s just that in that sector of the Atlantic there are no modern stationary means of detection. This is all the “good” NATO pushed closer to us ..


        Not so simple smile
        there was an article on VO on this subject ... very interesting ... hi
        Find Invisible: Submarine Detection Systems

        December 30 2013
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2017 22: 40 New
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      Guessing the coffee grounds

      Listen to the pros, and "you will be happy"!
      According to the submarine officer, in the past, the commander of submarines of the 641 and 877 projects (Varshavyanka) captain 1 of the reserve rank Oleg Lapshin, in this situation the question arises about the professionalism of Argentinean submariners. “The increase in hydrogen levels in battery pits on boats is being watched more than ever,” the officer said. - This is a security issue. Moreover, given that the commander of the San Juan contacted, reporting on problems with the batteries, it means that the submarine was on the surface. That is, a “ventilation system into the atmosphere” worked throughout the boat - this is the name of this mode. In this mode, the battery pits are very well ventilated, which means that the percentage of hydrogen is reduced. This means that the ventilation system has failed and natural ventilation has not helped. Or there was a fire in the battery pit: with the rapid evolution of hydrogen (damage to the battery tanks) and when combined with oxygen, an explosive mixture was formed. And then an explosion. ”
      “The percentage of hydrogen in compartments and battery pits is always recorded by the watchman of the central post in the“ Logbook of the Central post ”every hour, and in an emergency (with increasing hydrogen), every half hour,” the source added. - The logbook is a legal document. It was not without reason that the “Watch Journal of the Central Post” was especially searched for at the dead Russian “Kursk”.
      http://k-politika.ru/podvodnuyu-lodku-san-xuan-po
      topili-tylovye-krysy /? utm_source = warfiles.ru
  3. Dezinto
    Dezinto 27 November 2017 06: 40 New
    +2
    Well, there it’s about ..... there are such dips and depths .... that I don’t know, you can only find it by miracle

    1. thinker
      thinker 27 November 2017 07: 44 New
      +2
      Interestingly, it turns out that for the bourgeoisie the color scale of the depths is the opposite.
      1. Popovich
        Popovich 27 November 2017 09: 06 New
        0
        among bourgeois, the color scale of depths is the opposite. - everything is not like people!
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 27 November 2017 07: 48 New
      0
      The Americans found the lost Soviet submarine K-129 in the Pacific Ocean. And the area was known very approximately, and the depths were kilometer. The most interesting thing is that they equipped the old bulk carrier, under a floating crane, and lifted it. True, they say not all, but only fragments.
      On August 12, 1974, as a result of a CIA secret operation, the Azorian Project, with the help of specially designed equipment (the Glomar Explorer ship and special dock with underwater hull capture device), the bow of the submarine was lifted.
      1. Popovich
        Popovich 27 November 2017 09: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: Orionvit
        Orionvit Today, 07:48 PM ↑ New
        The Americans found the lost Soviet submarine K-129 in the Pacific Ocean

        or did she die? and then found ....
        1. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 November 2017 09: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Popovich
          or did she die? and then found.

          Or so. With them it will become.
  4. Aleksandr69
    Aleksandr69 27 November 2017 07: 35 New
    +1
    It’s strange that the neighbors from the United States have still not found: they are “the very best with the coolest equipment” ... Argentina took a lot of people after the Second World War, maybe they blew up on old mines (I transferred my version to the General Staff of Argentina, though add to the list)
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 November 2017 09: 25 New
      +3
      To find a boat lying at the bottom - even the Chinese, even the Americans, even the Romanians can only 1 way.

      Scan the bottom with sonar and highlight the anomaly. Technology has a minus - low coverage. Literally, the sonar carrier (buoy / ship) - must pass over the boat +/- a hundred meters.

      Search Area 700x200 km. You yourself can calculate how much time it will take to complete trawling with a sonar.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 27 November 2017 21: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: donavi49
        Search Area 700x200 km. You yourself can calculate how much time it will take to complete trawling with a sonar.

        First, the area will be cut off with a magnetometer, then the thermal imager according to the anomaly, then the GAS side view will draw the whole bottom ...
        Therefore, when ships with special equipment arrive in the area, it will be limited to 10x10 Miles. This is a week of work for robots.
        Somehow, however.
  5. Orionvit
    Orionvit 27 November 2017 07: 39 New
    0
    If the cause is hydrogen, we do not know why it accumulated.
    Well, if the batteries are lead acid, then it’s understandable. Just do not understand, they are still used somewhere else, except in cars ?. On old submarines, hydrogen was always a big problem, so they always tried to charge on the surface, with open hatches and enhanced ventilation of the compartments. The question is, what about the hydrogen sensors on the boat, what was not at all?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2017 21: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Orionvit
      On old submarines, hydrogen was always a big problem, so they always tried to charge on the surface, with open hatches and enhanced ventilation of the compartments. The question is, what about the hydrogen sensors on the boat, what was not at all?

      Answers as questions arise.
      1. "Gazoval" were not old boats, but old batteries. It happened and the electrolyte was boiling ...
      2. DEPLs are always charged with access to atmospheric air. Otherwise, DG will not work. It’s possible to hit a charge under the RDP, but with a big roll you are tormented by “patting your ears” and “blowing” when the DG suffices air from the bays ...
      3. There were no automatic sensors in our time, therefore the foreman of a team of chemists made control measurements in 2-4 hours, depending on the situation. HNNXX afterburners stood in compartments, on a “platinum thread” .... There were times when craftsmen in front of the DMB put it on a chain for their sweetheart, and instead of platinum they wound nichrome ...
      4. Since the representative of the Argentine Navy called hydrogen the likely cause of the explosion, it means there were reasons ... In fact, the subfloor really does not like to hang from above in stormy weather. Minus 80 and calmly you can eat, take a break from the exhausting chatter ... I think the Argentines did just that. Just before the dive, they probably did not check the condition of the AB tanks, how the electrolyte feels there ... Paying for one negligence is the life of the entire crew.
      IMHO.
  6. Popovich
    Popovich 27 November 2017 09: 10 New
    0
    or maybe she transported party gold (SS)? In Argentina, many settlements are uninhabited ....
  7. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 27 November 2017 09: 17 New
    +1
    Knowing the route of movement, knowing the speed of travel, knowing the conditions of the transition, you can approximately calculate the place of the disaster. Well this is not a combat patrol with only a known location! Moreover, the depths are not kilometer - the mainland shelf without relatively large differences in depths and canyons, mountains are different there - so you can quickly deal with side-scan locators. Of course, you have the necessary equipment at hand.
    So, personal opinion ....
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 27 November 2017 09: 33 New
      +2
      They know the scene of the disaster - 700x200km. Due to the remote area, it is impossible to reduce more (it cannot be ruled out that the boat was moving without communication or previously deviated from the route).

      The bottom is complicated.

      The side view will be 100500 of false boats, the selection and verification of which will take a lot of time, and the true one can be obscured by the relief. All the same, they will come to complete trawling - if they find money of course.
  8. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 09: 50 New
    +9
    Yes, everyone already said to you:
    And I also know that boats sometimes die from a penny fire, when it just flashed, hesitated - and everything was already burning, and from the central one they gave a fire extinguisher to the compartment, but they mixed up the wrong compartment, and the people there were poisoned, where it burns, they give high-pressure air, of course, also by mistake, and for some reason the fuel tanks choke, and it’s already blazing, as in open-hearth, and people - well, they are alive - are running, they can no longer be restrained; and something falls around, falls, pops, explodes, collapses, sweeps away, and fiery whirlwinds rush along the ceiling, and a man, like a straw, breaks out with a bang, and the glands have already burned out some demagnetizing device, and the compartment is filled with water, and ventilation pipelines and even the devil knows why the next compartment is filled with water, and in the central one the boats still trim, all trim and cannot differentiate in any way.

    I would ... be silent, guys ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 27 November 2017 22: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      everyone already said to you:

      Roman, what you bring is BSK !!! Submariners (normal) are trained to automatism. And everyone knows that in the adjacent to the emergency compartment a cremallera is put on a comb (in the literal, most terrible sense of the word) ... And in the CPU there are no boobies of the king of heaven, but men trained to automatism ... So, apocalyptic paintings the "wide masks" quoted by you here seem to me to be inappropriate ...
      IMHO.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 8 December 2017 06: 40 New
        +7
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Roman, what you bring is BSK !!!

        Perhaps I do not pretend, I myself have not seen, but - in the late 80s he still served in the army, and saw a lot of the other. True, not with such apocalyptic consequences, but in terms of stupidity - it is quite comparable to itself.
        The source that I brought there is here:

        All, of course, as IMHI
  9. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 28 November 2017 12: 38 New
    +1
    I remember that in 2014, the Malaysian Boeing 777 first disappeared. Such a small airplane. Everyone was looking, they were looking for him, but they didn’t find him. Then in July, with the help of Ukrainian dispatchers, they brought another Malaysian Boeing 777 into the sky above the Donbass and shot it down. The dead passengers were for some reason with a strong cadaverous smell and without blood. The plane crash was immediately blamed on Russia.
    In November, a submarine disappears. So the next disaster with a submarine is expected in 5-6 months? (by the way, we have the presidential election at this time) And will Russia again be presented with monstrous guilt?