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The problem of the content of prisoners of war - experience 1943 year

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The problem of the content of prisoners of war - experience 1943 year



The two-minute performance of "Boy Kolya" in the Bundestag caused a lot of unhealthy comments and discussions, suffering for the lack of factual material with excessive emotionality. Meanwhile, Kohl from Novy Urengoy did not discover any secrets, and his critics were simply not well taught in Soviet or already Russian schools. Textbooks stories before the collapse of the USSR, and (especially) in 90-x, carefully silent, or even distort the facts.

The first thing to remember. The Soviet Union, which did not sign the Geneva Convention on the Rules for the Maintenance of Prisoners of War, immediately after the start of the Great Patriotic War, confirmed that it would fulfill its requirements. The corresponding document was also transferred to Germany through the Swiss embassy. Hitler did not answer him.

Dry documented statistics show that 57 percent of Soviet prisoners of war died in Nazi camps. In the Soviet camps, slightly less than 15 percent of Germans (and their allies) and less than 10 percent of Japanese died. But from this statistic the captives at Stalingrad completely "fell out".

The reasons are obvious.

1. Before the defeat at Stalingrad, the retreating Red Army took an insignificant number of prisoners. For the entire 1941 year - 9 147 people, and by November 19 1942 g (the beginning of the counteroffensive at Stalingrad), another 10 635 people were captured.

2. Long before the start of the battle and falling into the environment, followed by capture, the Romanian and German soldiers were malnourished. Stretched communications and actions of partisans in the rear led to the fact that already in September (!) 1942, the ration of soldiers of the 6 army was 1800 kilocalories instead of the minimum necessary 3-4 thousands per day (and in the winter in conditions of intensive hostilities - up to 7,5th. Kcal on modern standards).

Moreover, the problem with food was getting worse all the time. By the beginning of the offensive, the invaders had already eaten everything that they could requisition from the local population and most of the horses that were available. As a result, the logistics of the surrounded group were completely destroyed and it was impossible to deliver food from several food-overloaded warehouses (the warehouses seized after the defeat of a part of the Red Army).

As a result, by the first days of January, the 43 bread bread rate fluctuated within 50-200 grams per day. For comparison, the minimum bread rate issued to workers in besieged Leningrad in November-December 1941 of the year was 250. By January 7, in an surrounded grouping, starving deaths were fixed from 120.

3. Catastrophically aggravated by hunger inability to warm up. There were no exceptional frosts this winter. The minimum night temperature did not fall below 22 degrees of frost at night in January, while the average daily temperature varied from 0 to minus 5 degrees. But the lack of trees and the damp wind acted on the weakened organisms surrounded fatally.

4. The lack of heat, the inability to wash and disinfect, plus hunger provoked mass diseases and the spread of lice. At the end of the autumn, when at least some system was operating, in the military field hospital with 12 the soldiers took one and a half kilograms of lice.

As a result of all these factors, the 6 Army Headquarters on January 26, 1943, estimated the total number of patients in 30-40 thousands.

With all this enormous number of people our troops had to face after the surrender of Paulus. In this case, the total number of groups at the time of delivery was estimated at 86 thousands of people. But in reality they turned out to be much more. Only from January 10 to February 22 did 1943 91 people surrender.

Further obvious. Quite unexpectedly, it was necessary to dress, warm, heal and transport an army of patients, stitched dystrophics, who almost completely lost the will to live (apathy is a result of prolonged hunger and hypothermia).



In this case, the prisoners still had to be delivered to the camps. To leave them in the crushed Stalingrad meant to expose the surviving civilians and soldiers of the Red Army to the threat of an epidemic that would just finish off the city.

"Velsk:" Prisoners of war revealed extreme lousiness, their condition was very depleted. 57 percent of mortality falls on dystrophy, 33 percent - on typhus and 10 percent - on other diseases ... ".

From the act of the commission, who examined the camp in the village of Khrenovoe: "According to the data of the physical condition of the prisoners of war who arrived at the camp, they are characterized by the following data: a) healthy - 29 percent, b) sick and depleted - 71 percent. prisoners of war who could move independently were in the group of healthy".

At the same time, 10 percent of those who got into the camps and those surveyed were classified as "hopeless" - the hastily equipped camps were not able to provide them with qualified assistance. The results were predictable.

Camp in Beketovka. Today it is the outskirts of Volgograd, to which there are hours of walking from the 4-5 city center. In winter, the exhausted prisoners went there from early morning until late evening. In general, from among those who went to the camp in Beketovka, 10 35 prisoners were hospitalized by 099 May, 28 098 people were sent to other camps, 27 078 people died. Similar numbers were in other camps.

The catastrophic situation with the prisoners tried to fix "off the wheels." Numerous orders of the People's Commissar of Defense and the People’s Commissar of the Commissars Beria couldn’t rectify the situation immediately - the country simply did not have everything necessary in 1943 to immediately provide due assistance to hundreds of thousands of people. But there were local residents, too, starving and sick, was destroyed Stalingrad. Finally, there was also the Red Army, which also had to maintain its combat capability.

I will cite only one of dozens of documents, from which attempts began to urgently establish the proper maintenance of prisoners of war. 30 December 1942, Deputy Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR Ivan Serov presented a memorandum, which stated:

"In connection with the successful actions of the Red Army units in the South-Western, Stalingrad and Don fronts, the dispatch of prisoners of war takes place with great difficulty, as a result of which there is a greater mortality among prisoners of war.
As established, the main causes of death are:

1. Romanian and Italian prisoners of war from 6-7 and up to 10 days before being captured did not receive food due to the fact that all the food that arrived at the front went first to the German units.

2. When capturing our units, the prisoners of war are driven on foot along the 200-300 km to the railway, while their supply with the rear units of the Red Army is not organized and often along the way of the prisoners of war along the way 2-3 doesn't feed them for days.

3. The concentration points of prisoners of war, as well as the reception centers of the NKVD, should be provided with food and clothing on the route by the Red Army rear headquarters. In practice, this is not done, and in some cases, when loading trains, prisoners of war are given out flour instead of bread, and there are no dishes.

4. The organs of military communications of the Red Army submit wagons for sending prisoners of war, not equipped with bunks and stoves, and 50-60 people are loaded into each wagon.

In addition, a significant number of prisoners of war do not have warm clothes, and the trophy equipment of the rear services service and armies is not isolated for these purposes, despite the instructions of Comrade. Khruleva on these issues ...

And finally, contrary to the Statute on Prisoners of War, approved by the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR, and the order of the Red Army Glavvoensanpura, wounded and sick prisoners of war are not taken to front-line hospitals and sent to reception centers. "

In total for the 1941-49 years in the USSR, slightly more than 580 thousands of prisoners of war of different nationalities died - 15 percent of the total number taken prisoner. In Germany, I recall, the mortality of our prisoners was 57 percent.

As is clear from the foregoing, any insinuations on the subject of prisoners of war who died in our captivity serve the same purpose — to distort history. In accordance with the policies and practices of the Soviet leadership during the Great Patriotic War, all prisoners of war who died in captivity are victims of the war. All the rules and regulations on the treatment of prisoners of war were applied to them as far as possible and with limited capabilities. After Stalingrad, corresponding organizational conclusions were made, and the death rates in the camps decreased by an order of magnitude.

PS Dozens of pages and documents on this subject are published in the material "Causes of high mortality among captives near Stalingrad"from 18 March 2010 of the year.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2017 15: 16
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    By the way, the “death camps" for the German prisoners of war and others like them were not created ... And lampshades were not made of human skin ...
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 27 November 2017 16: 03
      +8
      Alexei Anatolyevich, on Thursday I gave a link to a book.
      http://militera.lib.ru/research/dukov_ar/index.ht
      ml
      it would be useful for teachers to read it. And other responsible persons. Again, in the book - only a small fraction. what
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 27 November 2017 16: 41
        +2
        Thank you, take advantage ..
    2. Mik13
      Mik13 27 November 2017 16: 45
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      Quote: parusnik
      By the way, the "death camps" for prisoners of war Germans and others like them were not created ...
      The Americans created.
      True, they have an excuse ...
      For example, when the bright warriors of freedom and democracy (tm) liberated Dachau, they were so imbued with the true Aryan spirit of racial superiority that they immediately killed all the guards. Moreover, apparently, for reasons of humanity and steadily observing the principle of the rule of law, some Germans were transferred to re-education by the prisoners themselves. By the way, not a bad idea ...
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 27 November 2017 17: 00
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        they liberated Dachau, they were so imbued with the true Aryan spirit of racial superiority that they immediately killed all the guards.

        there is a photo of this execution, it seems.
        Ours, too, with the protection of the camps, did not particularly babysit. Back in the late 90s, I read the veteran’s story in our SPb Vedomosti, how at the end of the war his unit liberated the camp with children from whom blood was pumped out. All those who did not have time to escape from the guard were immediately "taken to the expense" after the picture they saw. And rightly so.
        Again, I mentioned Aksenov (the author of the book “Price of Errors”) said that when our troops approached, the protection of their camp was washed away. One did not have time (one of the quartermasters) - he was beaten by the prisoners themselves. The other, one-eyed Czech Franz, the former prisoners of war surrendered "to the arms" of our troops, describing the fact that he was kind to them. The Czech himself did not expect to be left alive. Anything has happened! request
      2. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 27 November 2017 19: 10
        +6
        Quote: Mik13
        Quote: parusnik
        By the way, the "death camps" for prisoners of war Germans and others like them were not created ...
        The Americans created.
        True, they have an excuse ...
        For example, when the bright warriors of freedom and democracy (tm) liberated Dachau, they were so imbued with the true Aryan spirit of racial superiority that they immediately killed all the guards. Moreover, apparently, for reasons of humanity and steadily observing the principle of the rule of law, some Germans were transferred to re-education by the prisoners themselves. By the way, not a bad idea ...

        In Dachau, the Americans brought the entire population of the nearby town to the camp on an excursion, as Germans said they knew nothing. The mayor then hanged himself.
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 28 November 2017 16: 23
          +5
          In Dachau, the Americans brought the entire population of the nearby town to the camp on an excursion, as Germans said they knew nothing. The mayor then hanged himself.

          there is a wonderful story "It was the month of May." And a movie on it. They are all they said they didn’t know. At the same time, I am using the prisoners in my fields.
    3. svp67
      svp67 27 November 2017 17: 39
      +8
      Quote: parusnik
      By the way, the "death camps" for prisoners of war Germans and others like them were not created ...

      No one called them to us in that role. They sowed the wind and reaped the storm ...
  2. vanavatny
    vanavatny 27 November 2017 15: 40
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    humanitarian and human relations with respect to the enemy who invaded my land can be caused only by political reasons, any scum that came here with weapons in their hands should be ruthlessly destroyed and spit like: pour a canister of gas on his head, cover with mortars, hammer in the butt on the stage, what kind of humane attitude? why the hell do I need to know his attitude to Hitler, how many children he has and how old his old mother is? He made his own choice or the poor guy was misled, everyone in the ground, I’ve been curious about my country or a tourist, I’ve been told all my life: they’ve fought with some kind of fascists, not with the Germans, yeah, and Grandfather and Grandma always told me that they didn’t give rotten lectures to the Germans either, so if politics it requires saving the lives of the fools who came to kill me - well, well, and this biped swamp in the ground ...
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon 27 November 2017 15: 55
      10
      What if you have to invade somewhere, and the local population will adhere to the same objections to this issue. I have never met a war survivor from anyone, I have never seen such hatred for the Germans, which has recently been manifested on the Internet.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 27 November 2017 16: 06
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        So your family is lucky! And they didn’t gobble up their cattle and birds, they didn’t burn the house, they didn’t drive them to camps or to work in the Reich!
      2. vanavatny
        vanavatny 27 November 2017 16: 28
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        suddenly there is only a fart, any worthy person has the right and sacred duty to protect himself, loved ones, the earth, if I materialize in the midst of some Liechtenstein or Washington with a machine gun and any nonsense in my head - I will not find the strength in myself to be surprised at the desire of the local to tear me in half, and what is there that specially trained political instructors will drill on both front lines ... my upbringing and life experience do not accept all this purulent liberal nonsense about deceived Hitler or Napoleonic soldiers, of whom poor Saudi preachers deceived the poor fellow, that before grandfathers, then my there were two brothers, the eldest died in the spring of 45, apparently a few tens of kilometers from the place where the grandfather got hard while taking Keniksberg, 8 years ago they found a burial place where the grandfather’s brother didn’t know, for some reason the family believed that somewhere near Kiev where grandmother’s brother had no idea didn’t meet hatred? hmm, I did business with the Germans, went to them, neither in Germany nor in my homeland with I didn’t hide my relationship: I am a representative and a direct descendant of people who won the most terrible war in world history and on a crimson rod turned any liberal pus on the topic of repentance and example, and all this rotten stuff to find out the percentage of those who killed my grandfathers and grandmothers by I call my heart and those who are very tormented at the same time
      3. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 27 November 2017 18: 42
        +9
        My Mom’s aunt fought in Stalingrad as a medical instructor.
        She said that there were cases in which she was an eyewitness, when the parts of the Red Army assigned to the reorganization intersected with the columns of prisoners and individual soldiers simply gave a queue from the machine gun to the column. These were mainly age soldiers, as a rule those with relatives who remained either in the occupied territory or in Leningrad. The guard of the columns rarely reacted to such actions, including the officers, since the senior officers moved separately from the soldiers’s columns, and the junior command personnel drank themselves in Stalingrad, so they escaped with a “cease fire” command.
        So hatred was over the edge !!!
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 27 November 2017 19: 28
          +7
          Quote: Stroporez
          So hatred was over the edge !!!

          1. avva2012
            avva2012 28 November 2017 09: 00
            +5
            Yes, in general, it was not bad for ours:
            From the memoirs of an infantryman of the SS Wallonia volunteer assault brigade F. Kaisergruber: It was still night, in any case, the day had not quite arrived when we arrived in the morning in Korsun-Shevchenkovsky. When I woke up in the evening, the day was already over. We no longer know how we live. There is not the slightest idea of ​​time; day and night for us is nothing more than natural phenomena. For a long time we did not have specific hours for food to mark noon, no fixed moments to adapt the daily routine for them. Now food searches are more like treasure hunts! And we find food only through a miracle. We are a party of four Burgundians among the German comrades. Others are somewhere else, scattered almost everywhere. At the exit from the city we find a column stretched out in endless snow, all kinds of troops mixed up, infantry, convoys and equipment. We did not go even an hour when Russian planes appeared low over the horizon, which began to shoot a convoy of machine guns on a low-level flight .... When we get up to get back on the road, equipment burns ahead and behind us and columns of black smoke rise to the sky. Broken trucks, carts and corpses of horses block the road everywhere. Russian planes return two more times and attack us, making as many as four calls, leaving and returning. Each time more and more people remain lying in the snow, which will become their only resting place ..... A little later, I am in the lower part of Shenderovka, when Katyusha gulps us. These "Stalinist organs" in one salvo launch either 36 or 72 missiles at us that arrive with a hell of a howl! Everyone rushes to the ground. Soon the screams are mixed with explosions, alternating with some kind of satanic rhythm. I'm not even trying to count the missiles, as I did before. The roar of these "organs" has finally died down; all around rise to their feet, at least who can. And a little further away, where there is a beam, no one gets up! ..... Abrassart is wounded, and only the torso is left of the unfortunate Evarie! A terrible sight. Evarie is fully conscious. Only now we notice that he was blind, his eyes burned out a flash from the explosion. Blood sprinkles from his feet, which has saturated the overcoat. We are trying to make harnesses from belts, but to no avail. Good God, how can we save our comrade? Pierre and Lefranc want to carry it, but one leg hangs on a piece of flesh. Someone hands a folding knife, and Lefranc cuts off what is still holding his torn leg. When Pierre and Lefranc raise Evarie, we hear him say: "My leg hurts, it hurts." Then he asks who carries it, because he sees nothing. But all our efforts will be wasted - a little later he will die in the field infirmary, suffering from terrible pain and being fully conscious ... First, the tank moves in a zigzag, as if hesitating, it is not known what. Then it comes closer and its board with a Soviet red star gets into my field of vision, of which I am absolutely sure! What I see makes me freeze in horror and instantly brings me to full consciousness. The tank chose several bodies lying on the ground, possibly still moving, as its targets. He crushes them and turns in place, in order to surely achieve the desired result. I can clearly see the face of a man who is still alive and whose body disappears under the caterpillar of the tank. His face turns red, as if about to explode, as if blood is ready to spray through all its pores! When the tank turns again in place, I see a sleeve torn from its shape, stuck between two tracks and turning with them, and in the sleeve the hand itself, ending with a brush! I see how this arm, together with the caterpillar, makes several full revolutions, each time hitting the armor above the tracks! Holding my breath, I do not move, fearing to attract the attention of these modern Huns! ps
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 27 November 2017 19: 29
          +5
          Here is a scan of one of our docks on Stalingrad prisoners (5 TA):

          Thanks uv. Ulanova.
          Warning questions - what else in the 5th TA could do with them, let go back to Paulus?
          Only there, a line above the report, how the breaking German units arm the prisoners ...
          © Ulanov
          By the way, according to the same documents, prisoners of technical specialties after the capture were sometimes "lost" - and then found in rimbats and motor vehicles. EMNIP, they wrote on the VIF. that there was a case when a truck with a German driver near Kursk drove into the dugout of General Shumilov.
        3. Serg koma
          Serg koma 27 November 2017 19: 51
          +9
          Quote: Stroporez
          So hatred was over the edge !!!

          "..... If you killed one German, kill another - there is nothing more fun for us than German corpses. Do not count the days. Do not count the versts. Count one: the Germans killed by you." Kill the German! " - the old mother asks. "Kill the German!" - this is a child praying to you. "Kill a German!" "This is the cry of the native land. Do not miss. Do not miss. Kill!"
          ".............
          So kill at least one!
          So kill him quickly!
          How many times will you see him,
          So many times and kill him! "
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 28 November 2017 05: 59
            +7
            “Kill a German!” ... At these words, before the eyes of the Red Army did NOT arise German women, old people, children !!! With these words, before my eyes there were shot, hanged, tortured by soldiers of the Wehrmacht women, old people, children, prisoners of war (often relatives
            e fighters ...); bodies of women, old people, children among the city ruins in ruined Luftwaffe cities ... !!!
      4. Mista_dj
        Mista_dj 28 November 2017 20: 11
        +1
        Quote: Cartalon
        I have never met a war survivor from anyone, I have never seen such hatred for the Germans, which has recently been manifested on the Internet.

        Excuse me, it seems that your grandfather was going through a war near Berlin, while my wife's grandmother, in Belarus, ate a human being to survive ...
        Hate - as much as you want!
        Both grandfathers bequeathed this to me, and I will tell my little one - to remember.
        I will not forget and I will not forgive!
        1. DimerVladimer
          DimerVladimer 29 November 2017 12: 31
          +1
          Quote: Mista_Dj
          Excuse me, it seems that your grandfather was going through a war near Berlin, while my wife's grandmother, in Belarus, ate a human being to survive ...
          Hate - as much as you want!
          Both grandfathers bequeathed this to me, and I will tell my little one - to remember.
          I will not forget and I will not forgive!


          My father survived the occupation in Belarus - there was nothing like that about human beings.
          They gathered rotten potatoes in the fields. Cattle and bird - Nemchura took. In the summer they fed from the garden. The Germans took half the grain.
          The Soviet army requisitioned the second half after the liberation - then a real famine came - they ate birch bark, roots, quinoa - he remembered the famine of 1944 the most ...
    2. not main
      not main 27 November 2017 22: 56
      +5
      Quote: vanavate
      to my country or a tourist or die

      Golden words!
  3. Cartalon
    Cartalon 27 November 2017 15: 44
    +3
    An explanatory article, 10% of the dead Japanese are a bit too much.
  4. hohol95
    hohol95 27 November 2017 15: 58
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    After reading this opus, FEELING of the USSR’s guilt arises because the Soviet people did not prepare sheepskin short fur coats and barrels of chicken stock, a variety of medicines for those who had planted a “NEW ORDER” in our country!
    1. Cartalon
      Cartalon 27 November 2017 16: 04
      +9
      This is your personal account, a normal reference article.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 27 November 2017 16: 09
        10
        Then why in the normal Reference Article - Kolya from NovoUrengoy is anointed? Innocently hunted by evil "scoops" "white-furry animal"!
        1. Cartalon
          Cartalon 27 November 2017 16: 17
          +7
          Kolya gave occasion to write, that’s all.
          1. Rey_ka
            Rey_ka 28 November 2017 10: 52
            +1
            Yesterday, Kolya died of a hiccup attack.
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 27 November 2017 17: 00
          +5
          Alexei, it means not only to me, the poddevka in this article seemed. "Meanwhile, Kohl from Novy Urengoy did not reveal any secrets, and his critics were simply poorly taught in Soviet or already Russian schools."
          Kolya, told the truth? Or, is this proposal necessary to understand somehow differently?
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 27 November 2017 17: 53
            12
            Oh, the Doctor uncovered a scalpel. angry Joke. drinks Here it is precisely an attempt to explain why from the captured Germans near Stalingrad, miserable remnants got to the house after imprisonment. And the Author coped with the explanation. That there were many reasons (I’ll add from myself - the first reason was that they generally came here) That in the conditions when they themselves were undernourished, arranging logistics and food for a huge number of frostbite, starving and deceiving former occupiers was extremely difficult. As they could, they supported their lives; otherwise, in those circumstances it did not work. That's all! Another thing is important - in our country the mass reduction of the number of prisoners was not part of the tasks launched from above or executed locally. Unlike German savages, where there were directives from above in the framework of nat. politics, and "free creativity" in parts. hi
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 27 November 2017 18: 17
              +8
              Nicholas, everything is so, the author opened the topic, "Sit down, five." But, as in the old book, "and everything was fine, but something is not good" wink
              But as a matter of fact, did our representatives of power of various levels not get tired of making excuses? Even if they’ve overtaken, specially, a bit, and so what? Is there anyone else who wants it? In turn, female dogs are children in line.
              We will never be good to them and we will not achieve respect. So let them at least be afraid. Mordor, we are proud of it. laughing And if someone doesn’t like that, do not be shy, just tell you, you will like everything at once. wink laughing
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 27 November 2017 18: 38
                +5
                But as a matter of fact, did our representatives of power of various levels not get tired of making excuses?

                In no case should this be done. The very formulation of this question is idiotic.
                Even if they’ve overtaken, specially, a bit, and so what? Anyone else who wants it? In turn, female dogs are children in line.

                this is what we were different from them. Although there were undoubtedly cases of reprisals (quietly). It would be foolish if people who had lost everything, having seen so much “creativity” of the invaders that they could go crazy, did not take revenge. A noteworthy example is one fighter who chopped a piano in a German house. When asked why, he answered: “They killed the father, tortured the wife, burned the house, but they themselves .. they have pianos in their houses” .. The discipline in our army was strict, I would try to do this with the prisoners - I would answer instantly. request so he vented pain and hatred .. hi
                1. your1970
                  your1970 27 November 2017 22: 19
                  +3
                  Examples when OUR prisoners were fed were repeatedly described both in documentary and in fiction. This was also ....
                  Becoming a position: once he has to be killed, he will easily slide into the position of the Nazis themselves
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 27 November 2017 23: 13
                    +4
                    Becoming a position: once he has to be killed, he will easily slide into the position of the Nazis themselves

                    subscribe! soldier
                    Examples when OUR prisoners were fed - repeatedly described in both documentary and fiction

                    and not only prisoners - especially civilians. They almost fed the children with a spoon!
            2. co-creator
              co-creator 27 November 2017 18: 23
              +2
              Quote: Mikado
              Here it is precisely an attempt to explain why from the captured Germans near Stalingrad, miserable remnants got to the house after imprisonment. And the Author coped with the explanation. H

              So these soldiers were “innocent victims” as Kolya from Urengoy said? After all, that’s what he said, and the fact that the prisoners were dying in the camps we already know without him.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 27 November 2017 18: 41
                +7
                So these soldiers were “innocent victims” as Kolya from Urengoy said?

                call the murderers of their people "innocent victims" .. decide for yourself. I can’t get into Kolya and his teachers. Although it's time to dismiss. No, earlier “treason” would have been soldered, or rather, they simply would not have allowed this. Important prevent, not fix it. hi
                1. co-creator
                  co-creator 28 November 2017 02: 02
                  +5
                  Quote: Mikado
                  I can’t get into Kolya and his teachers. Although it's time to fire.

                  Stop You wrote that the author coped with his task. So the author in the first lines wrote that Kolya said everything correctly and that we were poorly taught at school. I was not personally taught at school that captured Germans were 2 innocent victims, "and you?
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 28 November 2017 10: 52
                    +5
                    stop my dear man! hi
                    let's analyze the phrase from the article in detail:
                    The two-minute performance of “Boy Kolya” in the Bundestag caused a lot of unhealthy comments and discussions, suffering from lack of factual material with excessive emotionality.

                    I translate: instead of a sensible discussion, with facts and analysis, an epic abuse in social networks broke out, etc. Moreover, the parties discuss this on emotions. That is, the discussion turns into throwing slogans at each other (doesn’t it remind anything? In my experience - we have a half-forum of slogans, yes, it is) hi
                    Meanwhile, Kohl from Novy Urengoy did not reveal any secrets, and his critics were simply poorly taught in Soviet or already Russian schools.

                    maybe I’d drop the phrase about critics. what but, again, I refer to the first part of the answer - for lack of knowledge, discussion is replaced by slogans and emotions, sometimes obscene. Although the mortality of the Germans is calmly grounded in facts.
                    I summarize:
                    1. was the mortality of the Germans? It was.
                    2. purposefully tortured them? no!
                    3. The question of the “innocent slain” is not worth it! request what the killers and rapists called this word, well, what can I say .. Moreover, this phrase did not sound in the article! stop
                    This is my view, but I do not impose it on anyone. drinks
                    My friends, do not replace the discussion with emotions, do not cling to words. Yours faithfully, hi
                    1. co-creator
                      co-creator 1 December 2017 03: 30
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                      Quote: Mikado
                      I translate: instead of a sensible discussion, with facts and analysis, an epic abuse in social networks broke out, etc.

                      Swearing as the Germans were kept and they died there or not it was NOT AT ALL. Swearing, or rather outrage was due to the "innocent victims" "the so-called Stalingrad boiler." What does the fact have to do with Kohl who didn’t give a single fact and even lied about mortality.
                      Quote: Mikado
                      My friends, do not replace the discussion with emotions, do not cling to words. Yours faithfully,

                      My friend, you still haven’t explained to me where Kolya and the discussion about how the Germans were held captive, if Kolya himself did not say a word about it.
                      For what purpose did the author drag Kolya here and point out that I was poorly taught at school?
                      Do you even understand what I'm asking?
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 27 November 2017 18: 46
              +7
              Quote: Mikado
              Here it is precisely an attempt to explain why from the captured Germans near Stalingrad, miserable remnants got to the house after imprisonment.

              Quote: avva2012
              But as a matter of fact, did our representatives of power of various levels not get tired of making excuses?

              Brothers! hi drinks
              Let the goblin put in five cents!
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 27 November 2017 23: 17
                +2
                general topic! good after this video, in principle, the question is closed. As for Kolya’s speech (not before him), let him understand those who prepared the speech and organized the event. And we need principles in national self-awareness. At the state level, categorically. So that this does not happen again. soldier
          2. Serg koma
            Serg koma 27 November 2017 20: 00
            +4
            Quote: avva2012
            Kolya, told the truth? Or, is this proposal necessary to understand somehow differently?

            .......
            If the path is cut through with my father’s sword,
            You are wound with salty tears,
            If in a hot fight I experienced that how much,
            So, you read the necessary books in childhood.
            .......

            I read the wrong books of Kolya-Uregoya, or rather, the mother taught the wrong thing, grew the maydaun, and now he makes excuses - everyone is to blame except for the ring am
          3. hohol95
            hohol95 27 November 2017 21: 15
            +2
            Yes, it "smelled" so "smelled" of "lack of secrets" from the beginning of the article ...
    2. Mikado
      Mikado 27 November 2017 16: 07
      +6
      the difference in worldview, Alex.
      4. The organs of military communications of the Red Army submit wagons for sending prisoners of war, not equipped with bunks and stoves, and 50-60 people are loaded into each wagon.

      We tried to fix it .. (and there were many factors). The Germans, on purpose and on purpose, practiced the creation of such conditions at the stage, after which half of the prisoners did not reach their destination.
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 27 November 2017 16: 20
        +4
        Just a photo
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 27 November 2017 16: 24
          +5
          Yes exactly! hi in winter, send prisoners of war in open wagons, do not feed .. etc. "innocent pranks." There are photos of winter transportation in the same cars. Please note many in civilian. The one that is clearly not military in the lower right corner has grown overgrown. Although anything could have happened, they could have been taken prisoner after a month of encirclement.
          Near Moscow, in the 41st prisoners they stripped - they took away warm clothes. How long will a man survive?
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 27 November 2017 16: 55
            +3
            Not for long...
            And on this point there are comparisons with the German side.
            2. When capturing our units, the prisoners of war are driven on foot along the 200-300 km to the railway, while their supply with the rear units of the Red Army is not organized and often along the way of the prisoners of war along the way 2-3 doesn't feed them for days.


            But perhaps you should ask yourself - was there FOOD? Or they had to keep their own on bread crusts, and this conquistador - to the conquerors cook hot, satisfying kulesh on fat with pork and regale with an American egg powder omelette?
            1. Oilpartizan
              Oilpartizan 28 November 2017 00: 13
              +1
              So answer your own question to this, accusing the Germans of ill-treatment of millions of Soviet captured soldiers and officers who were captured!
              How without the help of the state, to which these servicemen served faithfully, could such a number of hungry people be comparable to the entire army of the invasion of the Wehrmacht? Not even Hitler saw even so many prisoners and all the more so feed him in his worst nightmare.
              And Stalin, the one who, according to the author of this article, sent "through" Switzerland a certain document about a certain obligation to sign the convention without signing a convention (which is the author’s pure artistic fiction), and so Stalin froze these unfortunate defenders of the Motherland, as the facts of such losses of the Red Army prisoners, he would not have been saved in Kuibyshev.
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 28 November 2017 00: 46
                +9
                maybe stop garbage enough? The USSR did not wage a deliberate war to destroy another people! am You have a Belarusian flag on a nickname. Remind that every fourth, or even every third Belarusian died in the war? Not ashamed?
                How without the help of the state, to which these servicemen served faithfully, could such a number of hungry people be comparable to the entire army of the invasion of the Wehrmacht? Not even Hitler saw even so many prisoners and all the more so feed him in his worst nightmare.

                yes, that's why they were purposefully killed from the very beginning of the war. Burn in barns, for example ...
              2. hohol95
                hohol95 28 November 2017 08: 07
                +3
                Kind! Read the "Black Myth" about Soviet prisoners of war: Stalin and the Geneva Convention, "an article on the Military Society of June 21, 2012! And you will receive insight !!!
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 27 November 2017 19: 32
            +6
            Quote: Mikado
            The one that is clearly not military in the lower right corner has grown overgrown. Although anything could have happened, they could have been captured after a month of encirclement.

            I remember exactly - someone laid out an order to start a war in one of the Army Groups, in which prisoners were ordered to consider all men of military age, regardless of the form. But here is where ... what
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 27 November 2017 23: 18
              +2
              separately stand the orders of Reichenau, whom even Hitler, EMNIP, called one of the most "sinister" generals.
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 27 November 2017 22: 19
          +2
          Quote: hohol95
          Just a photo

          Well, why "just a photo."
          We have an author. AUTHOR, ay! Count how many people are there in the car? How much more bloodthirsty are we?
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 27 November 2017 23: 22
            +4
            Mauritius, the author did not want to prove this. Everyone grabbed the phrase "Meanwhile, Kohl from Novy Urengoy has not revealed any secrets." and begin to inflate from it. stop Leave it to you, a detailed analysis of the mortality of the Stalingrad Fritz is given! hi I did not notice any Russophobia in the text either.
            1. Mavrikiy
              Mavrikiy 28 November 2017 17: 19
              0
              Oh how. And I'm from this opus:
              unhealthy comments and discussions, suffering from lack of factual material with excessive emotionality. Meanwhile, Kohl from Novy Urengoy did not reveal any secrets, and his critics were simply poorly taught in Soviet or already Russian schools. Textbooks of history before the collapse of the USSR, and (especially) in the 90s, diligently hush up, or even distort the facts.
              I see that the author diligently claims to the ultimate truth with the right to give ratings. "You need to be more modest and people will reach for you."
              What do you think?
              1. Mikado
                Mikado 28 November 2017 17: 34
                +1
                I answered Edinburgh upstream. Take a look. hi
                Textbooks of history before the collapse of the USSR, and (especially) in the 90s, diligently hush up, or even distort the facts.

                Well, the last time I held the textbook of Russian history in the 99th was in my hands. Although, it seems, there was no sedition. Although among the textbooks, frank "feces" came across - so to speak, in the wake of the 90s. A 20-century world history textbook, a teacher (God grant him health!) Told us not to pick it up, everyone taught him according to his lectures and summaries - it was precisely this “repentance” in this textbook. I translate: history should be objective. Without loud speeches about the "leading role of the party" and concealment of the facts at the same time, but also without a bias in the "repentance of Russia before the whole world." hi because only an objective interpretation of the facts will prevent the appearance of false historians such as the rezun, or the one on whose materials Kolya poured nonsense in his ears.
                I do not think of the author. I do not know whether he claims or does not claim. I see an objective statement of that. why so many occupiers died. You can clearly see my position across the entire comment thread under the article hi
  5. hohol95
    hohol95 27 November 2017 16: 26
    +6
    And about the "quilting" of the Soviet Union by not signing the Geneva Convention - read the article on VO dated June 21, 2012
    "Black myth" about Soviet prisoners of war: Stalin and the Geneva Convention

    Already on June 27, 1941, the USSR expressed its readiness to cooperate with the International Committee of the Red Cross. On July 1, the "Prisoners of War Regulation" was approved, which strictly corresponded to the provisions of the Hague and Geneva Conventions. German prisoners of war guaranteed decent treatment, personal safety and medical care. This "Regulation" was valid throughout the war, its violators were prosecuted in a disciplinary and criminal order. Moscow, recognizing the Geneva Convention, apparently hoped for an adequate response from Berlin. However, the military-political leadership of the Third Reich had already crossed the line between good and evil and was not going to apply either the Hague or Geneva Conventions or generally recognized norms and customs of war to the Soviet "subhumans". Soviet "subhuman" were going to be massively destroyed.
  6. BAI
    BAI 27 November 2017 16: 30
    +5
    Already wrote about this. In February 1943, the diet of prisoners in the camps according to the NKVD standards was 500 g of bread per day. This is exactly as much as the worker of Leningrad received at that time.
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 27 November 2017 16: 39
      10
      and a little more terrible Leningrad soldering ... the Luftwaffe pilots, torn by internal contradictions, did not give an increase
      1. hohol95
        hohol95 27 November 2017 16: 45
        +5
        You are right - they were just tearing them apart from these contradictions ...
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 27 November 2017 17: 11
          +6
          You are right - they were just tearing them apart from these contradictions ...

          yeah, the future good clown and great artist Yuri Nikulin personally helped, so that it’s right to pieces fellow He was an anti-aircraft gunner in Leningrad. soldier
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 27 November 2017 17: 24
            +2
            Was he not a scout?
            1. Mikado
              Mikado 27 November 2017 17: 38
              +9
              no, anti-aircraft gunner. He left the army before the Finnish, returned after the Great Patriotic War.

              Three medals: “For Courage”, “For the Defense of Leningrad” and “For the Victory over Germany”.
              And so you think ... but wouldn’t it be the anti-aircraft gunner, and it was on the Leningrad front? Would you return? God knows .. fate kept, apparently ... soldier The scout, Alexander, Pugovkin was, in the 42nd, it seems, they commanded after the wound, he could remain an invalid.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 27 November 2017 17: 44
                +3
                Strange, it is necessary, echoes of memory, that he went for the front line. Where and with whom confused, perhaps. The kingdom of heaven is to him.
                1. Mikado
                  Mikado 27 November 2017 17: 56
                  +7
                  yes, the kingdom .. the great Artist was! Here is another photo. Will you find?

                  Pay attention, just noticed! the photo seems to have been taken in the first half of 1943. He, and many of his comrades, had an old-style tunic with turn-down collars, but they already had shoulder straps on them - then they did it!
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 27 November 2017 18: 21
                    +4
                    The man was. He, Papanov and many, many others. Just war veterans. Thank.
                  2. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 27 November 2017 20: 19
                    +3
                    Third left in the top row.
                    1. Mikado
                      Mikado 27 November 2017 23: 33
                      +2
                      yeah. You and Vladimir (Mordvin 3) - yes, they didn’t want to. Who would know that a clown will turn out such artist. what The phrase from the "Diamond Hand" "Since the war did not hold military weapons"- she, it seems, was pronounced ridiculously (especially when she put money in a cap and a gun in a string bag), and, on the other hand, how much was experienced after her! I could not stand it when there was no bread at home - if I wasn’t at night, I went to This is such a memory of blockade nutrition! soldier
                  3. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 27 November 2017 21: 35
                    +5
                    Quote: Mikado
                    the great Artist was!

                    They did not want to take him into actors. The face, they say, is not photogenic.
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  7. hohol95
    hohol95 27 November 2017 16: 41
    +5
    Photo crowning article does not apply to the Battle of Stalingrad - Captured Germans. December 1941
    1. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 27 November 2017 22: 12
      0
      The author liked the "non-human conditions."
  8. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 27 November 2017 16: 43
    +9
    My grandfather was captured wounded, after interrogation, he was stripped of bandages and exposed his wounds, pulled out his tongue, stripped to the goal and thrown into the snow to die. The hero was not given, although there was an idea. Dali Fighting Red Banner. Posthumously
  9. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 November 2017 17: 19
    0
    Quote: hohol95
    So your family is lucky! And they didn’t gobble up their cattle and birds, they didn’t burn the house, they didn’t drive them to camps or to work in the Reich!

    Come on you! There are different people ... Someone will cool down over time, someone will remember until his death! This is the right of the survivors of the war, let's not think for them!
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  11. Town Hall
    Town Hall 27 November 2017 17: 24
    +3
    "" ".....In total, in 1941-49, a little more than 580 thousand prisoners of war of different nationalities died in the USSR - 15 percent of the total number of prisoners ....."


    USSR captured 4 million German soldiers?
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 27 November 2017 18: 33
      +5
      Quote: Town Hall
      USSR captured 4 million German soldiers?

      Together with their allies.
    2. hohol95
      hohol95 27 November 2017 21: 22
      +5
      And among the GERMANS 1652 CITIZEN lurked Grand Duchy of Luxembourg!
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 27 November 2017 23: 48
        +2
        And among the GERMANS, 1652 CITIZEN of the Grand Duchy of Luxemburg roam around!

        on the other hand, the Principality of Liechtenstein in May 1945 was replenished by the 1st Russian National Army that had faded there (not to be confused with the ROA), to whose column it suddenly stuck and ... (Madame Poklonskaya! aw! love ) heir to the Russian throne Vladimir Kirillovich! And ... they didn’t get them out of there! (although, it seems, the "heir" was sent to Austria along with his retinue). Liechtenstein is a free country, did not participate in the war, and all that ... request
    3. Fitter65
      Fitter65 28 November 2017 16: 19
      0
      Quote: Town Hall
      "" "..... In total, in 1941-49 a little more than 580 thousand prisoners of war of different nationalities died in the USSR - 15 percent of the total number of prisoners of war ....."
      USSR captured 4 million German soldiers?

      For those who are in an armored train written in Russian in white, POWs of different nationalities.
  12. Hlavaty
    Hlavaty 27 November 2017 17: 39
    +4
    Meanwhile, Kohl from Novy Urengoy did not reveal any secrets, and his critics were simply poorly taught in Soviet or already Russian schools. Textbooks of history before the collapse of the USSR, and (especially) in the 90's, diligently hush up, or even distort the facts.

    I do not understand. The author of his article is trying to prove that the German soldiers who fought with weapons in their hands in Stalingrad are innocent? Just because they died from poor captivity?
    The critics of the Urengoy boy were just well taught at school: foreigners who attacked our country with weapons were guilty of everything. Upon the attack. The degree of guilt can be different, but there are NO INNOCENT among them!
  13. soldier
    soldier 27 November 2017 17: 53
    21
    The concentration camp for Soviet prisoners of war was even inside the Stalingrad boiler. And when he was released, the 6th Army managed to kill most of our prisoners.
    Did the soldiers of this army deserve their fate? Definitely.
    Nevertheless, the RCAA did not arrange death marches for Germans as Japanese for allies on Bataan, and did not create death camps.
    Natural mortality - but who will cancel it.
    And most of the Germans under Khrushchev returned from the USSR to Vaterland.
    But in vain - it was necessary to leave for life correctional labor.
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 27 November 2017 18: 01
      +4
      And most of the Germans under Khrushchev returned from the USSR to Vaterland.

      including many war criminals ...
      1. soldier
        soldier 27 November 2017 19: 26
        18
        Already for a decade, why organs have not calculated such?
        Of course it is sad
        That left alive
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 27 November 2017 23: 37
          +2
          I don’t remember exactly how it is with us, but in the West it was like this - they will sentence some Fritz General to 15 years, then, due to their "state of health" they will release them in three years. We, like, also someone did not stay long .. God forbid memory .. what
  14. avva2012
    avva2012 27 November 2017 18: 00
    +6
    In general, there are many memories of the Stalingrad boiler, both from our side and from them. A lot of documents, the topic itself, is popular even in the west. To make a film, moreover, do not spare money. Show the last transport flight, when, together with the wounded / instead of them, climbed into the planes, those who were physically stronger. Show, dugouts of more or less high-ranking Wehrmacht officers: coffee, cigarettes, white bread with jam and a pet dog. And it was necessary to start the movie, from the camps of our prisoners of war near Stalingrad (there were three of them). And through all this, spend the fate of the corporal air defense. His "mental sweeping", before the battle and when, he ate forty before captivity. It would be interesting, in my opinion, with a good script and director.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 27 November 2017 20: 16
      +4
      Quote: avva2012
      . To make a film, moreover, do not spare money

      One "outstanding" did not spare money behind the holy name of the city ... Only a strict selection of scripts and directors before the start of the "project".
      1. Mikado
        Mikado 28 November 2017 00: 11
        +3
        Only a strict selection of scripts and directors before the start of the "project".

        I completely agree! soldier hi It is high time... angry
  15. Mu Dialer
    Mu Dialer 27 November 2017 18: 18
    +6
    It was necessary to keep the captured Germans as they contained our prisoners ... That is, to increase the death rate of German captivity every 6 (six).
  16. ando_bor
    ando_bor 27 November 2017 18: 33
    +5
    Why make excuses? - Stalin is guilty that he did not hang all Germans as war criminals, and they had to die as innocent prisoners of war.
    1. 97110
      97110 27 November 2017 20: 34
      +4
      Quote: ando_bor
      Why make excuses?

      With urgent brought wisdom: "Justified - means to blame."
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 27 November 2017 22: 04
    +3
    The two-minute performance of “Boy Kolya” in the Bundestag caused a lot of unhealthy comments and discussions, suffering from lack of factual material with excessive emotionality.
    Healthy, healthy comments. Excessive emotionality... Is it to love the Motherland excessive emotionality?
    Meanwhile, Kohl from Novy Urengoy did not reveal any secrets, Well, as if no one was looking for secrets from a minor underworld.
    and his critics were simply poorly taught in Soviet or already Russian schools. Oh how. Unlike you, USEshnik, we studied four and five.
    4. The organs of military communications of the Red Army submit wagons for sending prisoners of war, not equipped with bunks and stoves, and 50-60 people are loaded into each wagon. There is a mistake. Sochi coupes were all booked well in advance. But reserved seats - they themselves bombed.
    1. Romanian and Italian prisoners of war from 6-7 and up to 10 days before being captured did not receive food due to the fact that all the food that arrived at the front went first to the German units. Now I'm running for a handkerchief and in the morning to you with ...., baby. A great connoisseur of the truth of life and an excellent exam, this is simply necessary.
  18. VladGashek
    VladGashek 27 November 2017 22: 58
    +1
    I used to read that of the number of prisoners near Stalingrad, about 4 prisoners of war lived and returned to Germany until the end of the war. I agree with the author that the main cause of death is the terrible exhaustion, the incidence in \ pl, but also, apparently, the unpreparedness of the army and the NKVD to receive such a huge number of prisoners due to the lack of experience in such work. The reason is quite objective and no malicious intent of the "Russian Bolsheviks".
  19. Oilpartizan
    Oilpartizan 27 November 2017 23: 56
    +1
    "... The first thing to remember. The Soviet Union, which did not sign the Geneva Convention on the rules for the maintenance of prisoners of war, immediately after the start of World War II confirmed that it would fulfill its requirements. The corresponding document was transmitted including to Germany through the Embassy of Switzerland.... "

    I would like to get acquainted with a copy of this wonderful document.
    Although history indicates the opposite - the Communists have not made any attempts to comply with the Geneva Convention during the entire war either against their Germans or against German prisoners of war at home.
    Moreover, some Soviet soldiers released from German captivity went straight from there to the Soviet camps.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 28 November 2017 00: 36
      +6
      Mr. half-educated, or rather, without any gray matter at all. We take and read what exactly and what kind of convention the Communists did not sign. Maybe a little bit of reason will appear
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 28 November 2017 06: 53
        +4
        Reason is needed for analysis and synthesis, and for the digestion of anti-Soviet blue water, you need a tinned stomach and a strong head.
    2. your1970
      your1970 28 November 2017 07: 49
      +4
      Quote: Oilpartizan
      the Communists never made any attempts to comply with the Geneva Convention during the entire war, either in relation to their own Germans
      - Remarkably !!! But there is a nuance -signatory convention itself Pledged relates humanely to prisoners - captured THEM.And it was obligated OUT depending on the signing / non-signing by a second party. Those. Hitler was MUST by convention, refers to prisoners humanely - OUT depending on whether the USSR / Allies signed the Convention or not. And it’s not necessary that the USSR didn’t pay grandmother and so on, la-la — the order to execute allied pilots (as well as our political officers) also directly violates the Convention. The very content of prisoners with their division into the USSR and allied, their different contents - also contrary to the Convention. Oh, about article 31, it is silent. Germany, in principle, did not comply with our prisoners ..
      Just read the text of the Convention, learn a lot of new things ...

      Article Two
      Prisoners of war are in the grip of an enemy power, but by no means a separate military unit that captured them. They must be constantly treated with humanity, in particular protecting the crowd from violence, insults and curiosity.Repression against them is prohibited.
      Article Three
      Prisoners of war have the right to respect for their personality and honor. Women enjoy the right to be circumvented in all conformity with their gender. Prisoners retain their full civil legal capacity.
      Article Four
      A power that has taken prisoners of war is obliged to take care of their maintenance.
      Differences in content Prisoners of war are allowed only in those cases if they are based on the difference in their military ranks, the state of physical and mental health, professional abilities, and also on gender differences.

      Chapter III Forbidden Labor
      Article Thirty One
      The work carried out by prisoners of war should not have any relation to military operations. In particular, it is forbidden to use prisoners for the manufacture and transportation of weapons or for the construction of any kind of fortifications; the same prohibition also applies to materials intended for combat units. In case of violation of the above provisions, prisoners are free after the execution of the order and without proceeding to carry out such a claim through authorized persons, whose functions are provided for by Art. 43 and 44 of this, or in the absence of an authorized person, through a representative of the patron power.
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 29 November 2017 23: 34
        0
        Chukchi, he is not a reader. That says it all ..
  20. Seal
    Seal 28 November 2017 12: 04
    +3
    Do not forget that the winter of 1942-1943 was probably one of the most hungry for us. Indeed, in the summer and autumn of 1942, the USSR temporarily lost a huge number of cultivated areas from which the crop (where it was) - in the autumn of 1942 was taken by the Germans. Lend-lease deliveries did not make up for our food losses then. In addition, from the summer to October 1942, deliveries on the northern route were suspended due to the defeat of the PQ-17 caravan by the Nazis and the preparation by the Allies of the landing in North Africa.
    Well, of course, that we did not at all assume that we would have such a huge number of troops in the "cauldron". During the operation, it was believed that we surrounded about 90 thousand German-Romanian-Italian troops. In fact, it turned out that there were more than 200 hundred thousand surrounded.
  21. Fitter65
    Fitter65 28 November 2017 15: 52
    +3
    Long before the start of the battle and being surrounded with subsequent captivity, the Romanian and German troops were malnourished.

    And here we are to blame ?! We didn’t seem to call them to our place, and even more so we didn’t promise to feed them! And if they died because of a lack of food, this was one bad thing; food from defenseless children, women and old people who were under their heels. Our SOLDIERS were strange as opposed to these monsters fed, their children, wives and old people — who rejoiced when their sons, husbands and brothers burned our land, killed our people .After all, that piece of bread, or a ration of oil that was given to this German prisoner, could be freely eaten by the same turner who sharpened the shells, or the girl who was collecting at the PPSh plant, and the same simple old man who was unemployed, a citizen of our country who was sending his meager savings for the front for victory ...
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  23. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim April 22 2018 01: 29
    0
    Yes, it was normal for them, over there, how smooth and funny: