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Su-35 vs. F-35: Battle of Generations

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A number of experts on armaments, including Western ones, are confident that the newest American fighter 5 of the F-35 generation is easy prey for the Russian super-maneuverable fighter of the 4 ++ generation Su-35С. The simulation of a virtual battle between these two aircraft showed a very interesting result.


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  1. Falcond
    Falcond 26 November 2017 20: 10
    +1
    Clip for teens
  2. Karl Martell
    Karl Martell 26 November 2017 20: 55
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    They will finalize the F-35, and this bullshit sou will burn even more.
    1. SOF
      SOF 26 November 2017 21: 18
      +5
      laughing how is shakalashvili? Already forgotten your "guarantor"?
      And in our apartment there is gas. And you? laughing
      1. Laughtermaster
        Laughtermaster 27 November 2017 02: 28
        +1
        And we have a coup, here!
        1. SOF
          SOF 27 November 2017 05: 53
          +1
          ??

          ... Euroopeici brothers !!!
          There is a batch of personal protective equipment. Not expensive, wholesale.
    2. mikhail065
      mikhail065 27 November 2017 04: 56
      +1
      Envy silently hohloglist.
    3. tchoni
      tchoni 27 November 2017 07: 28
      +3
      Quote: Karl Martell
      They will finalize the F-35, and this bullshit sou will burn even more.

      Ostvvte agitation for Maidan))) You have to finalize f35 have the same attitude as a dog to the master’s diploma of higher education)))
      1. Karl Martell
        Karl Martell 27 November 2017 20: 48
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        In order for you to beat an illiterate moron and agitation is not necessary. And the attitude of you, a quilted jacket, should not be e.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 28 November 2017 20: 05
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      Quote: Karl Martell
      They will finalize the F-35, and this bullshit sou will burn even more.

      That is, you are flying Sukhoi and Mikoyan fighters, pan-and-liners ... and when is the SU-35 burning, can I find out?
  3. Shahno
    Shahno 26 November 2017 21: 59
    +3
    I thought these attacks had passed. No, the disease is chronic.
    I will repeat it already. Pictures and videos do not win in battle.
    Where are the real victories against at least f-16. In battle, not against barmaley.
    If everything is so simple. Why did not Massyaf intercept. Well, if such an advantage, well, would they scare and show strength?
    1. Eflintuk
      Eflintuk 26 November 2017 22: 27
      +6
      All this for domestic consumption - the armor is strong and our tanks are fast! Coming down, comrades! History teaches us nothing.
      But if you read this, then all sorts of rafals, typhoons and other f15 - you can get scrap metal:
      The exercises were held in April 2017. The opponents of the F-35 Lightning II were the fourth-generation aircraft, and the result was disastrous for the Europeans. The air duel with Rafale ended in a defeat of 18: 0 in favor of the American, and the Eurofighter Typhoon, which was armed with almost all European powers, "blew" even larger - 19: 0.

      Fights with the "conditional opponent" on the F-15E F-35 aircraft won with a score of 16: 1, according to the Greek publication patratora. At the same time, as the publication notes, in most cases the F-35 destroyed the enemy even before visual contact - at a distance of more than 30 km, and the detection range was more than 100 km. At the same time, due to the stealth of the F-35, the pilots did not even understand where they were shot down from.
      There will be no maneuvering battle, is it really not clear to someone.
      1. SOF
        SOF 26 November 2017 23: 02
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        Quote: EFLINTuk

        There will be no maneuvering battle, is it really not clear to someone.

        ... oh. The “fights” described by you are as “real” as the videos in this topic.
        Tell me, were there any chances for the “defeated” “conditional opponents” to dodge the super-mega-rocket that was launched as much as 100 kmbut which one was virtual? wink
        It reminds me of war from childhood:
        "Puff, puff, puff! You are killed!" - "Nope! I didn’t hit!"
      2. VRV In
        VRV In 27 November 2017 07: 18
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        Over maneuverability is needed to avoid a rocket. And it can happen, as in Vietnam, when the planes fired at the rockets remained intact.
      3. EvilLion
        EvilLion 27 November 2017 08: 36
        +1
        The creators of the Su-35 claim that its radar sees the F-22 at a distance of 90 km. And F-35 just like a stealth from F-22 just sucks. The level of veracity of the statement is not lower than the level of veracity of statements about victories with the account 100500: 0.

        So thanks, but I neighing. Stealth is needed primarily to prevent the capture of the target of the GOS missiles, in which large radars simply do not fit. And flights in the presence of multiple detection systems in various physical fields and developed means of network interaction have nothing to do with duel arrangements. Moreover, even in a duel, it is not clear how the F-35 went unnoticed when the radar worked for him.
        1. the most important
          the most important 17 December 2017 19: 23
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          Quote: EvilLion
          Moreover, even in a duel, it is not clear how the F-35 went unnoticed when the radar worked for him.

          The enemy pilots were blindfolded ... and the radars were turned off.
    2. tchoni
      tchoni 27 November 2017 07: 34
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      Alas, the main trouble with these videos is that they undermine people's confidence in the press, politicians, and everything else "unshakable." And most importantly, there are more and more such moments
  4. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 22: 49
    +8
    Quote: EFLINTuk
    There will be no maneuvering battle, is it really not clear to someone

    Oh, her ... tankisdy came again with ... what is the name of this game, I don’t remember ..
    Baby ... people like me, just a little younger, about twenty to thirty years old ... will lead this penguin like a beloved girl ..
    And then completely different guys will deal with the penguin.
    Ivse request
  5. tchoni
    tchoni 27 November 2017 07: 08
    +1
    again, an advertisement from Sukhoi Design Bureau ... They ran into a horn of super-maneuverability and I don’t want to ... The fan of this lotion would like to recall that in the 41st year of the last century all the main fighters of the Air Force RKK i15, and 16 maneuverability exceeded bf109. It didn’t save ... The Gemtsians simply did not get involved in a sabacca fight, preferring to beat on the aisle. Why do people think that in 70 years what has changed?
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 27 November 2017 08: 29
      +1
      Because it is necessary to maneuver even dodging long-range missiles. And the level of situational awareness is now fundamentally different.

      And yes, something didn’t really help the Germans with their tactics. Because the tasks of fighter aircraft with one-off attacks from above and subsequent rapid draping, in principle, are not solved.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 27 November 2017 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: EvilLion
        Because it is necessary to maneuver even dodging long-range missiles.

        It’s necessary, but these maneuvers have little to do with circus acrobatics at an air show. Here the thrust-weight ratio comes to the fore ... but this is so, by the way ...
        The fact is that maneuverability is far from the first thing in evading missiles. and not even the second.
        First you need to detect the fact that you were taken for escort ..
        Then, it would be nice to detect the start-up fact.
        Then, it would be nice to understand where the rocket is in you from. the so-called spotted a rocket ...
        Now we counteract ...
        To begin with, we mask ourselves and do everything that we are not seen ... and do not get the opportunity to build an attack maneuver so that we are in a disadvantageous position.
        If it doesn’t fail, we saw everything we do to understand that we were discovered and are looking for the morel who dared to find us. Further, we were taken on the sights ... here we start to do everything to frustrate the escort: we put in interference, while simultaneously trying to detect the launch.
        If they could detect the start-up, are we trying to perform a dodging maneuver and simultaneously track the missile and catch the moment, its rapprochement with us and the transition to homing, simultaneously with this homing thermal and radar?
        And only at a glorious moment when the rocket came close to us - here we begin shooting traps and actively maneuvering ....
        Quote: EvilLion
        And yes, something didn’t really help the Germans with their tactics. Because the tasks of fighter aircraft with one-off attacks from above and subsequent rapid draping, in principle, are not solved.

        It helped a lot ... Two front fights were fought against a numerically superior enemy ... and very effectively. On the eastern front, parity came at a ratio of 3: 1 in favor of the Russians ... With the deterioration of the flight training of the Germans and the improvement of the Russians
    2. SOF
      SOF 27 November 2017 12: 30
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      All the main fighters of the Air Force of the RKK i15, i16 maneuverability superior to bf109. It didn’t save ... Why do people think that in 70 years what has changed?

      ... patamushta, the Bf109 flew faster than the more maneuverable I16. Can you say the same thing about a pair of F35-Su35 ????
      No? That's it ...
      So, before the appearance of a large hedgehog, all the layouts with a pitchfork on water are written.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 27 November 2017 20: 37
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        Quote: SOF
        ... patamushta, the Bf109 flew faster than the more maneuverable I16. Can you say the same thing about a pair of F35-Su35 ????

        Patamushta, due to its low rl visibility and the "secretive" mode of operation of the f35 radar, will, like bf 109, take the initiative in a duel scenario.
        This does not mean that the su35 will not be able to fight it, but talking about the su35 maneuverability as a decisive superiority is really stupid.
        1. SOF
          SOF 27 November 2017 23: 43
          +1
          That's it. It is also not necessary to exaggerate the capabilities of Lightning, provided that the duel must be very one-sided when the SS is obliged to become blind, deaf and dumb, to be a loner, located at a distance exceeding the range of its radar, which, of course, should not "see" "enemy, because that" stealth " smile , not to see super-mega-missiles, to "stagger" out of the coverage area of ​​friendly ground-based radars, which, in turn, should not see f35 either (it’s invisible :) and most importantly ... constantly looming aft. There are too many conditions for a close maneuvering battle not to take place due to the clear "superiority" of one of the parties.
          ... a pitchfork in the water. The real picture, subject to equal pilot skills, will show only what I hope does not happen.
          1. tchoni
            tchoni 28 November 2017 23: 01
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            Quote: SOF
            pitchfork

            Quote: SOF
            pitchfork

            Skills of pilots, my friend, since the 3rd generation, few people are interested. The strategy, planning, and organization of operations are in full swing.
            In this light, with the greatest regret, I inform you that our potential friends are not fools. Regularly conduct various exercises (from the famous and annual - red flag), during which, in REAL CONDITIONS, I work out the interaction of REAL f-35s with f-22, Avax, F18 growler. Believe me, we take into account both our tactics and our capabilities (read about the "aggressor" squadron) (about the fact that they periodically buy our planes from our fraternal republics, train in Indians - I am silent)
            Therefore, I would not talk about exaggerating the capabilities of lightning. And I would say that lightning has a trump card in long-range combat, while su35 has these trump cards in close combat. and would add that until this very close combat must still live ....
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 28 November 2017 20: 08
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      Quote: tchoni
      Rested on the horn in supermoveability and not whoa ...

      With the advent of ROFAR or even more advanced radar with us, where do you get the “stealth”, if not in the trash? And super maneuverability will remain with our fighters, unlike stealth technology, which is still outdated in the 60s.
      1. tchoni
        tchoni 28 November 2017 22: 50
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        Quote: NEXUS
        With the advent of ROFAR or even more advanced radar with us, where do you get the “stealth”, if not in the trash? And super maneuverability will remain with our fighters, unlike stealth technology, which is still outdated in the 60s.

        Nexus, you are such a nexus ....
        When rofar appears serially - there will be a reason for conversation. In the meantime, the adversary has 400 stealth fighters of the 5th generation, I think it's better for you to sit and not chat.
        To the point of over-maneuverability, with whom and what remains and how useful it is still necessary to find out. And the same medicine is enough for her. for example, from the same optics ... how do you like a laser turret? -)))))) Rzhach, of course, is go, I assure you, no more than an rofar.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 28 November 2017 23: 00
          +3
          Quote: tchoni
          Nexus, you are such a nexus ....

          Dear, you will be rude, the answer will be appropriate.
          Quote: tchoni
          When rofar appears serially - there will be a reason for conversation. In the meantime, the adversary has 400 stealth fighters of the 5th generation, I think it's better for you to sit and not chat.

          Or maybe you should cover your mouth and leave your slobbering fantasies about lasers with you, dear?
          Rofar has already passed the first bench test of five ... by 19 there will be a prototype ... by the year 20-22 a serial one will appear. So you would sit and keep quiet. And then the expert sits sofa through the lip broadcasts ...
          Quote: tchoni
          To the point of over-maneuverability, with whom and what remains and how useful it is still necessary to find out.

          We have found out more than once. Open your eyes and see the results of 13 meetings of Malaysians and Indians with mattresses.
          1. tchoni
            tchoni 29 November 2017 10: 20
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            Quote: NEXUS
            Rofar has already passed the first bench test of five ... by 19 there will be a prototype ... by the year 20-22 a serial one will appear. So you would sit and keep quiet. And then the expert sits sofa through the lip broadcasts ...

            That's when he will appear on each fighter of our relatives, the air force - then there will be something to talk about. In the meantime, he is not in the troops. and it is a fact! and stealth fighters at adversaries have and this is the same fact. So be silent for now.
            Quote: NEXUS
            Rofar has already passed the first bench test of five ... by 19 there will be a prototype ... by the year 20-22 a serial one will appear. So you would sit and keep quiet. And then the expert sits sofa through the lip broadcasts ...

            Well, what are these fantasies !? these are quite working prototypes. Drones are burning, mines are being knocked down ... and not as much as as a series ... Nyokr for deployment on the same f-35 has already been delivered and is underway ... So these are fantasies not bigger than the rofar.
  6. Pin
    Pin 27 November 2017 16: 32
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    Quote: tchoni
    Fought on two fronts against a numerically superior enemy

    In what year did this adversary become numerically superior? not in 44 m?

    Quote: tchoni
    On the eastern front, parity came at a ratio of 3: 1 in favor of the Russians ... With the deterioration of the flight training of the Germans and the improvement of the Russians

    a very interesting statement) but tell me if in which year such 3 to 1 parity came in favor of the Red Army (to be more precise) and in what types of troops and if possible on the fronts and the second as far as I understand until 44 years old, cadets of German flight schools studied in full

    the general impression of the comments in the subject is such that most people do not have any concrete idea of ​​the presented samples of flying equipment and just went to check out "our su 35 they don’t like him for some reason and that’s all about f 35, for example, what they have there are problems with engines sky-high cost, more than 100 prototypes were made to finish the pepelats to at least some sort of sane state, etc., no one said
    1. tchoni
      tchoni 27 November 2017 21: 07
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      Quote: Pin
      In what year did this adversary become numerically superior? not in 44 m?

      ISTCHE one "pale vyunlsha with a burning eye"
      In the year 41 .. at the very beginning of the war. Disbelieve !? Raise the production data for bf109 and all sorts of i16, i15, i153, mig1, lagg3, yak1 and you will understand everything.
      I’ll hint that on 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX in the Luftwaffe fighter aircraft there were a little more than a thousand fighters. And only half of them are far from f modification.
  7. raw174
    raw174 28 November 2017 14: 53
    +3
    Yes, figs with him, with the video, whether over-maneuverability or stealth helps or doesn’t help - the question is not the main one, the thing is different, in Russia there are only 64 of them (according to open sources), TOTAL, they are scattered across our vast territory. The USA has 175 F 35, and NATO has about 200 pieces. at least three times the advantage and separation will only increase ... That's what depresses.