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Human rights activists, together with the Ministry of Internal Affairs will verify the validity of the mass deprivation of Crimean citizens of the Russian Federation

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In Crimea, from 2-s to 4-x thousand people are deprived of Russian citizenship, reports RIA News report of the Commissioner for Human Rights in Russia, Tatiana Moskalkova.




We are talking about Crimeans who received Russian citizenship after the 2014 year.

According to some data, these are four thousand citizens, according to others - two. Need to hold a registry. I wrote an appeal to the Ministry of the Interior and I will allocate my employees for inspection along with law enforcement agencies,
said Moskalkova.

She noted that she had discussed the problem with the head of the Crimea Sergey Aksenov. Among other reasons, he also pointed out the revealed facts of abuse by the FMS officers related to the illegal issuance of Russian passports.

The agency recalls that the decision on the acquisition of citizenship of the Russian Federation is subject to cancellation if the applicant submitted false documents or false information, which must be confirmed in court. In addition, in July, the president signed a decree that allows repealing decisions on the acquisition of Russian citizenship for persons convicted of terrorism and extremism, and also introduces a procedure for taking the oath upon accession to the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 26 November 2017 15: 18
    40
    For crimes of an anti-state orientation, deprivation of citizenship is unambiguous. Including in the registration sphere.
    1. Jedi
      Jedi 26 November 2017 15: 25
      16
      In Crimea, from 2 to 4 thousand people are deprived of Russian citizenship

      As I understand it, the lawfulness of both obtaining and depriving Russian citizenship will be checked.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 26 November 2017 15: 36
        10
        This is what I would like to carefully understand what is happening in the FMS.
        Quote: Jedi
        In Crimea, from 2 to 4 thousand people are deprived of Russian citizenship

        As I understand it, the lawfulness of both obtaining and depriving Russian citizenship will be checked.
        1. Going
          Going 26 November 2017 15: 58
          16
          The feeder there and in no way can restore order.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 26 November 2017 21: 31
            +5
            Quote: Going
            The feeder there and in no way can restore order.

            Did you feed And how, satisfying?
            1. Going
              Going 26 November 2017 21: 57
              +7
              My friend, this is what you are talking about; something excited you or hooked you on a living one, share it.
              1. ARES623
                ARES623 26 November 2017 22: 25
                11
                Quote: Going
                My friend, this is what you are talking about; something excited you or hooked you on a living one, share it.

                I explain: unreasonably crying out for any state and not very state structure, attributing to them general theft, corruption and other crimes, given that the employees of all these structures are ordinary citizens of our country, you hereby affirm that they are all, and therefore all of us, subject to to these vices. Is it any wonder that the whole Western press considers us genetically predisposed to committing to what is considered reprehensible by any normal person? You just drench the country with slop even more than the enemy. Don't you care? Or are you out of some fundamental material motives ....?
                1. maxim947
                  maxim947 26 November 2017 22: 39
                  0
                  These errors, unfortunately, are absolutely natural; over a very short period of time citizenship of more than a million people was granted. And it is known to what forces it is advantageous to make an information bomb out of this, but they will sort it out, double-check who it should be returned to, and the rest will be sorted out again.
                2. tolmachiev51
                  tolmachiev51 27 November 2017 04: 20
                  +1
                  Everything is certainly correct !!! - but the 90s, under whom this "statehood" was "built" ??? little brothers came to power, rebuilt the system and uproot us have to have it for a very long time.
                3. E_V_N
                  E_V_N 27 November 2017 10: 00
                  0
                  Quote: ARES623

                  I explain: unreasonably crying out for any state and not very state structure, attributing to them general theft, corruption and other crimes,

                  And what kind of foundation do you want to hear? Government structures is a "sacred cow" not subject to criticism? The specific crime and punishment for it are established by the court. But common citizens voice concrete facts.
                  1. volodimer
                    volodimer 27 November 2017 14: 43
                    +1
                    What does the cow have to do with it? The legality of granting / depriving citizenship will be checked. And this check should show who is wrong: state bodies illegally issuing or depriving citizenship; Citizens deprived of citizenship for forgery upon receipt. That's all! State bodies would have been a sacred cow if such an inspection had not been carried out.
                  2. ARES623
                    ARES623 27 November 2017 17: 40
                    0
                    Quote: E_V_N
                    But common citizens voice concrete facts.

                    If such "specific" facts affected you personally, then you would sing other songs. Any structure, be it a store, factory, city administration, is sacred, because very specific people who have the right to the presumption of innocence work there. We do not have legal criminal organizations, which means saying that the traffic police are bribe takers, the FMS feeder is unlawful. There are some specific offenders who, to the best of their ability, are calculated and held accountable. Criticism and classification as criminal without appropriate grounds are not at all the same thing.
                4. voffchik7691
                  voffchik7691 27 November 2017 14: 09
                  0
                  “unreasonably ostracizing any state and not very state structure, ascribing to them the general rule” and so on ...

                  Dear, denying you also do not help to restore order in the country. I myself have been seeking Russian citizenship for four years, and during this time I learned a lot of interesting things. For example, our passport was fired after she was caught for issuing 17 left passports per month. Notice seventeen! And she was just FIRED!
                  1. ARES623
                    ARES623 27 November 2017 17: 43
                    0
                    Quote: voffchik7691
                    For example, our passport was fired after she was caught for issuing 17 left passports per month. Notice seventeen! And she was just FIRED!

                    Do you have materials on the investigation for these "left" passports?
      2. gurzuf
        gurzuf 26 November 2017 16: 43
        +7
        "Nonresident" before the indigenous people received passports from the back room.
      3. Slovak
        Slovak 26 November 2017 16: 52
        +2
        The main indicator - the answer to the question "Whose Crimea"?
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 26 November 2017 18: 10
          +2
          Here is how it turns out! Citizens do not want to lose Russian citizenship ... And the Crimean Tatars, both Ukrainians and Russians ... They want to be citizens of Russia. Complaining! Here is the answer to the question whether Crimean Sevastopol residents want to return to Ukraine as a Svidomo .. This is the main thing ..
        2. opus
          opus 27 November 2017 01: 54
          +1
          Quote: Slovak
          The main indicator - the answer to the question "Whose Crimea"?


          Who to believe (and when)?
          Rudolfych in kimono 29 November 2013 Moscow Art Theater is not ours




          And already in 2014, our
    2. Monos
      Monos 26 November 2017 15: 30
      21
      According to some sources, these are four thousand citizens, according to others - two.

      The filtering process is normal. Human rights activists from which hangover climb into it?
      1. 1331M
        1331M 26 November 2017 15: 36
        11
        But with such a hangover, so that there would be fewer violations, Vit, for they have already sucked money from us ...
        1. Pirogov
          Pirogov 26 November 2017 16: 10
          12
          Quote: 1331M
          But with such a hangover, so that there would be fewer violations, Vit, for they have already sucked money from us.

          I think these human rights activists would definitely not protect us. But every liberal bastard is the first one.
        2. Slovak
          Slovak 26 November 2017 16: 54
          +4
          This is reasonable. After all, citizenship gives the right to subsidies, pensions, etc.
      2. 210ox
        210ox 26 November 2017 15: 38
        10
        Victor hi These human rights activists have plugs in every barrel. Sometimes they go where they shouldn’t. But there are some misunderstandings with the FMS. I’m judging in the Kuban.
        Quote: Monos
        According to some sources, these are four thousand citizens, according to others - two.

        The filtering process is normal. Human rights activists from which hangover climb into it?
        1. Monos
          Monos 26 November 2017 15: 49
          +9
          Greetings Dmitry hi
          Quote: 210ox
          But there are some misunderstandings with the FMS. This is what I judge in the Kuban.

          FMS - the office is muddy. I agree. It would be nice to shake her.
          1. Going
            Going 26 November 2017 15: 59
            11
            They themselves need to be carefully filtered.
      3. Jedi
        Jedi 26 November 2017 15: 39
        +8
        Quote: Monos
        The filtering process is normal. Human rights activists from which hangover climb into it?

        That’s why they’re climbing to filtering within the framework of the law, and not selectively and for money. yes
        1. Monos
          Monos 26 November 2017 15: 54
          +9
          Quote: Jedi
          That’s why they’re climbing to filtering within the lawbut not selectively and for money.

          Actually, this is the duty and privilege of the prosecutor's office. The question arises: “Why did these“ offended ”turn not to the prosecutor’s office, but to human rights defenders?” Maybe precisely because there is not everything clean with the law? And do they need to be given the political color to this situation?
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 26 November 2017 15: 57
            +9
            Maybe so, Vitya. Or maybe they don’t believe the prosecutor’s office ...
            1. Going
              Going 26 November 2017 16: 01
              +9
              Yes, they are rather raising a wave - they say look at how Russia is committing atrocities in the "occupied" Crimea.
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 26 November 2017 16: 05
                +5
                So let's see what they "check" there.
                1. Going
                  Going 26 November 2017 17: 15
                  +8
                  And what they can, they are liberals and that’s it.
      4. japs
        japs 26 November 2017 16: 25
        11
        That's not clear to me. The word "human rights activist" makes me, for some reason, sharply negative
        reaction.
        1. Going
          Going 26 November 2017 17: 16
          +9
          So not only with you, because they are basically all grant-eaters.
      5. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 26 November 2017 17: 40
        +1
        Quote: Monos
        The normal filtering process is ongoing. Human rights activists from which hangover climb into it?

        Perhaps that’s why they climb, that citizenship was taken away from some of the “defenders” who were close to these people, whom they managed to legalize in order for them to generate denunciations, slander and lawsuits to the ECHR on allegedly revealed “violations” of human rights after the peninsula came under Russian jurisdiction , which reduces their ability (human rights defenders) to harm for the good of the triumph of democracy. Type them - Abidna yes!
      6. kenig1
        kenig1 26 November 2017 17: 51
        +1
        What human rights defenders? Ask who Moskalkova is, from her a human rights activist, as from me major general of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        1. sogdy
          sogdy 26 November 2017 18: 11
          +2
          Quote: kenig1
          What human rights defenders? Ask who Moskalkova is

          Tatyana Nikolayevna Moskalkova (born May 30, 1955, Vitebsk, Belorussian SSR, USSR) - Soviet and Russian lawyer, politician. Commissioner for Human Rights in the Russian Federation since April 22, 2016.

          Member of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation of V and VI convocations. Doctor of Law, Doctor of Philosophy, Honored Lawyer of the Russian Federation. Major General of the police retired. (Wiki)
          The "human rights activists" in our country initially evolved from complete disruption with the Memorial at the head. Further, “human rights activities” were allowed ONLY by professional lawyers. And forbidden to foreign agents. At present, the service of the Commissioner for Human Rights is actually the state oversight body of the LAWYER. Those. second part of supervision, parallel to the prosecutor's office.

          So what are your objections?
          (By the way, they found a “Chechen gay”. I suppose, already in the corresponding institution - like a yellow house)
          1. kenig1
            kenig1 27 November 2017 06: 48
            +1
            She is approved for this position by the State Duma and works for the state receiving salaries, not grants. Think sometimes, not hysteria.
      7. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 26 November 2017 18: 49
        +2
        Quote: Monos
        According to some sources, these are four thousand citizens, according to others - two.

        The filtering process is normal. Human rights activists from which hangover climb into it?

        but he doesn’t like it !!! negative negative negative they did some gathering, made anti-Russian statements !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing there is some kind of * udak ponamarev their leader ... it seems, they didn’t let Ren TV and NTV go ... such human rights defenders !!! lol lol lol
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 26 November 2017 15: 42
      +6
      Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. Deprivation of citizenship by our Constitution is not provided. It is only a matter of judicially invalidating the fact (act) of its acquisition. hi
      1. Monos
        Monos 26 November 2017 15: 57
        +6
        Quote: siberalt
        Deprivation of citizenship by our Constitution is not provided.

        Seriously? Then I have more and more questions arises under our constitution.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 26 November 2017 16: 33
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs. Deprivation of citizenship by our Constitution is not provided.


        That's it... hi
        Most likely, the headline again - without thinking - concocted illiterate, and here we are arguing ...
        More correctly, the question should have been about the consideration of certain facts of the legality of conferring citizenship of the Russian Federation ...
        1. Going
          Going 26 November 2017 17: 17
          10
          Recently, the President signed the law on deprivation of citizenship, though only those who received it, and not from birth.
        2. Zaval
          Zaval 26 November 2017 17: 43
          16
          In my city, the north of Crimea, citizenship was deprived, the issuance of passports of the Russian Federation, 13 people was recognized as unauthorized. With full responsibility, I can say that all 13 people really in 2014 did not have the right to receive a Russian passport in the usual manner. Were, in common people saying homeless. In the passport there was no longer a valid residence permit for the hostel from which they were discharged as far back as 2004-2010, a residence permit for apartments from which they were discharged by court decision even in Ukraine. They lived in rented apartments without actually having any residence permit, of course, no one put a stamp in the passport on the statement. These people were to obtain Russian citizenship through a court decision confirming their actual presence in Crimea at the time of the referendum and the right to obtain Russian citizenship. In 2014, passports were issued in such a way that it’s even scary to remember that hype. There was no time to check. Errors were such that the confused gender in the passport was the norm, they laughed and went to exchange. Later there were checks on the legality of issuing passports, miraculously coinciding with the decision to transfer passport desks to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, completely dismissed, in the place with the head, and the passport office re-dialed.
          Now the thresholds of passport desks are upholstered by those who in 2014 went to the promises of Ukraine and left the "occupied" Crimea in Kherson, Odessa, Lviv, etc. area. Basically it is the Crimean Tatars and the "mowing" under them. Having drank in full the promised and realizing that they were thrown, they remembered that they were registered in the Crimea. But not in 2014, they did not realize their right to obtain Russian citizenship, the deadlines passed. The presence of a residence permit, mainly in dimensionless dorm rooms, does not mean anything. This is denied citizenship, so they complain to the flesh to the "guarantor".
          1. Monos
            Monos 26 November 2017 17: 50
            +8
            Quote: ZAVal
            This is denied citizenship, so they complain to the flesh to the "guarantor".

            Something I suspected. Thanks for the info from the place. hi
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 26 November 2017 18: 52
            +4
            Quote: ZAVal
            Now the thresholds of passport desks are upholstered by those who in 2014 went to the promises of Ukraine and left the "occupied" Crimea in Kherson, Odessa, Lviv, etc. area. Basically it is the Crimean Tatars and the "mowing" under them. Having drank in full the promised and realizing that they were thrown, they remembered that they were registered in the Crimea. But not in 2014, they did not realize their right to obtain Russian citizenship, the deadlines passed. The presence of a residence permit, mainly in dimensionless dorm rooms, does not mean anything. This is denied citizenship, so they complain to the flesh to the "guarantor".

            by this, and by no means give citizenship !!! wassat wassat wassat let them hang out in their own Europe !!! negative negative laughing laughing laughing
    4. Oden280
      Oden280 26 November 2017 19: 01
      0
      And at this congress, this pack of these defenders demanded to liquidate the E department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation (the fight against extremism) and repeal laws on insulting the feelings of believers, the law on undesirable organizations, the law on foreign agents, and the law banning the adoption of children from Russian citizens of the United States, as well as articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation on responsibility for extremism (282 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), separatism (280.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation) and repeated violations of the rules for mass events (212.1 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation), which are designed to protect our citizens and our sovereignty. In general, they received the next tranche and manuals from the West.
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 26 November 2017 15: 25
    +8
    Such "citizens" definitely need to be deprived
    Victor Dolzhenko:
    - .. I served in the internal affairs bodies for 22 years, and in 2003 I was transferred from Crimea to the central apparatus of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, to Kiev. When the Maidan took place, all this massacre in the city center, I immediately decided to return home to the Crimea: on March 15, 2014 I transported children and things, agreed with my colleagues that they would take me to the Crimean Ministry of Internal Affairs without any problems. But I could not just quit in Kiev: I would be fired for absenteeism and would not have been hired anywhere! I AM returned to the capital of Ukraine and until June was waiting for an official resignation.
    These three months, neither here nor there, have become fatal for Victor.
    - At first everything was fine: I received Russian citizenship, then I was checked for six months and in December 2014 I was enrolled in the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Republic of Crimea, in my native UBEP.
    .. And suddenly in October 2016, he was called to the Security Council, his own safety: “What did you, dear friend, live in Kiev at the time of the referendum? But how did you get Russian citizenship on June 6, 2014, if only on June 10 you were fired from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine? ”
    Victor explains that on March 15, having arrived in Crimea for one day, he managed to register in his Simferopol apartment, so it doesn’t matter whether he left or not left for Kiev.
    SB operatives in response show Victor’s Ukrainian passport, which contains a residence permit: “Mr. Kiev, st. Moldavian ... "- and there are no marks about the Crimean registration. How can it be?
    Victor basically explains:
    - I have mom worked at the FMS. Of course, without her help, I would not have registered in the Crimea in a day (and didn’t turn things around so that a stamp with a Crimean address would not appear in the only Ukrainian passport at that time). Of course, I hid the intention from the Kiev authorities to switch to the service of Russia, so that I would not be accused of treason! But here, in the Crimea, everything was done legally: in Russian databases my registration is, and after all I was checked when I entered the service! I took the oath of Russia, I finally wrote the renunciation of citizenship of Ukraine (this procedure is mandatory for all civil servants of Crimea.). Yes, I delayed three months, I was waiting for a bypass sheet, I didn’t come as Poklonskaya, chopping off the ends! Should I be killed for this ?!
    Alas, the Russian state was surprisingly scrupulous. The lieutenant colonel’s desire to be good on both sides of the border: in Ukraine, quitting without scandal, in Russia joining an equivalent position was not appreciated.
    Dolzhenko’s Russian passport was seized, and an officer was fired. He filed a lawsuit three times, but all authorities shrugged their hands: the fact of Dolzhenko’s registration in Crimea does not mean permanent residence in Crimea on March 18, 2014.
    And his mother, who committed an official crime, too. Such, so to speak, “new Russians,” for personal comfort, will easily accept any citizenship - even of Ukraine, even of Guinea-Bissau ...
    1. cariperpaint
      cariperpaint 26 November 2017 15: 35
      0
      he had a legal path. but the desire to accelerate everything is visible and his decision on this subject has now crossed out everything that he wanted. unfortunately you have to answer for your choice. so personally for me it’s all about the case.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 26 November 2017 15: 40
        +5
        Quote: cariperpaint
        he had a legal path. but you can see the desire to accelerate everything ..
        It was a desire to cover your ass - but how would it turn out differently? And here the Ukrainian pension is already in any way ..
        Quote: cariperpaint
        .. Unfortunately you have to answer for your choice
        Not "unfortunately", but fortunately! Moreover, a person in power should definitely be responsible for his actions and be aware of the measure of responsibility.
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 26 November 2017 15: 38
      13
      Deprivation of citizenship is necessary not only in the Crimea. Such “non-Russians” live here in Moscow that it is time to send them to their historical homeland with their children and business ...
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 26 November 2017 15: 48
        +4
        Quote: Esoteric
        Deprivation of citizenship is necessary not only in the Crimea.
        Even if they start from Crimea, there is a complete cesspool (compared with most Russian regions) in terms of compliance with the rule of law: the legacy of all-Ukrainian legal nihilism.
        Quote: Esoteric
        ..time to send them to their historical homeland with their children and business ...
        Maybe now that the passport service has been transferred back to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, will there be more order? Although hard to believe ..
        1. Going
          Going 26 November 2017 17: 19
          +7
          So, how many years have passed since it was transmitted, but there is no shift for the better.
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 26 November 2017 16: 48
        +1
        Quote: Esoteric
        Deprivation of citizenship is necessary not only in Crimea.


        That's how many times there have been screams at the HE about the need to change the Constitution ...
        And the same number of shouts in response - "And what is the current thing bothering you?" ...
        Well ... a lot of paradoxes are brought by the current Constitution of the Russian Federation ...
        Starting from the fact that the Russian Federation is a social state and “ALL are equal before the law” right up to Article 6, paragraph 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ... "A citizen of the Russian Federation may not be deprived of his citizenship or the right to change it" .

        And “human rights defenders” ... The most disgusting thing is that I (and not only me) take this word in quotation marks ... Because in Russia this word has long ago clearly distinguished flies from cutlets among decent people ... They climbed, to pick and blame ... Who and why? First of all - the existing order ... But - not chaos or stupidity (is it stupidity?) Of officials ...
    3. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 26 November 2017 18: 54
      +2
      Quote: Ami du peuple
      Such "citizens" definitely need to be deprived
      Victor Dolzhenko:
      - .. I served in the internal affairs bodies for 22 years, and in 2003 I was transferred from Crimea to the central apparatus of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, to Kiev. When the Maidan took place, all this massacre in the city center, I immediately decided to return home to the Crimea: on March 15, 2014 I transported children and things, agreed with my colleagues that they would take me to the Crimean Ministry of Internal Affairs without any problems. But I could not just quit in Kiev: I would be fired for absenteeism and would not have been hired anywhere! I AM returned to the capital of Ukraine and until June was waiting for an official resignation.
      These three months, neither here nor there, have become fatal for Victor.
      - At first everything was fine: I received Russian citizenship, then I was checked for six months and in December 2014 I was enrolled in the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Republic of Crimea, in my native UBEP.
      .. And suddenly in October 2016, he was called to the Security Council, his own safety: “What did you, dear friend, live in Kiev at the time of the referendum? But how did you get Russian citizenship on June 6, 2014, if only on June 10 you were fired from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine? ”
      Victor explains that on March 15, having arrived in Crimea for one day, he managed to register in his Simferopol apartment, so it doesn’t matter whether he left or not left for Kiev.
      SB operatives in response show Victor’s Ukrainian passport, which contains a residence permit: “Mr. Kiev, st. Moldavian ... "- and there are no marks about the Crimean registration. How can it be?
      Victor basically explains:
      - I have mom worked at the FMS. Of course, without her help, I would not have registered in the Crimea in a day (and didn’t turn things around so that a stamp with a Crimean address would not appear in the only Ukrainian passport at that time). Of course, I hid the intention from the Kiev authorities to switch to the service of Russia, so that I would not be accused of treason! But here, in the Crimea, everything was done legally: in Russian databases my registration is, and after all I was checked when I entered the service! I took the oath of Russia, I finally wrote the renunciation of citizenship of Ukraine (this procedure is mandatory for all civil servants of Crimea.). Yes, I delayed three months, I was waiting for a bypass sheet, I didn’t come as Poklonskaya, chopping off the ends! Should I be killed for this ?!
      Alas, the Russian state was surprisingly scrupulous. The lieutenant colonel’s desire to be good on both sides of the border: in Ukraine, quitting without scandal, in Russia joining an equivalent position was not appreciated.
      Dolzhenko’s Russian passport was seized, and an officer was fired. He filed a lawsuit three times, but all authorities shrugged their hands: the fact of Dolzhenko’s registration in Crimea does not mean permanent residence in Crimea on March 18, 2014.
      And his mother, who committed an official crime, too. Such, so to speak, “new Russians,” for personal comfort, will easily accept any citizenship - even of Ukraine, even of Guinea-Bissau ...

      good good good I just remembered about him ... I recently read this topic, but right now I could not find it !!! good good good
    4. Elka13
      Elka13 27 November 2017 12: 16
      0
      Sorry, how old are you? Just a surprisingly youthful approach ... to deprive it of citizenship to dismiss it. And most importantly, they built up the advantages. People, you generally know what real life is, and even more so in the post-Soviet republics? With our legislation, anyone can be caught in one place. Yes, many native Russians "for personal comfort will easily accept any citizenship." Do not need this fanaticism in the top Ukrainians search for some enemies and traitors. A Russian-speaking man with his mother and family in Crimea from whose fault only “not living in Crimea in 2014” wanted to be there by the law (he really risked it, if he had found out he would have been cheated on) and squeezed through here. Deprived of citizenship, let’s throw him back to Ukraine to throw him out, together with his family and sympathizers !!, but that we have never broken the law as one, we are loyal to Russia to death, and their number is growing from year to year.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 27 November 2017 13: 02
        0
        Quote: Elka13
        A Russian-speaking man with his mother and family in Crimea from whose fault only “not living in Crimea in 2014” wanted to be there by the law (he really risked it, if he had found out he would have been cheated on) and squeezed through here.
        The fault of this "Russian-speaking man" is that he forged documents confirming the legality of obtaining Russian citizenship. In addition, he is not just a "man", but a representative of the law, so there is a special demand for him. Have you heard about the special personality of law enforcement officers? Apparently not.
        1. Elka13
          Elka13 27 November 2017 13: 23
          0
          Of course I know about the special subject. But look "But here, in the Crimea, everything was done законно: in Russian databases my registration is, and after all I was checked upon entering the service "and they show him the Ukrainian passport where there is no registration, tell me, what do they care about the Ukrainian passport? That was legal and legal, but our bureaucratic system is stupid and Yes, figs with him “no luck dude.” Let's just not chop off the shoulder, almost everyone can be in a similar situation.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 27 November 2017 13: 41
            0
            Quote: Elka13
            Let's just not chop off your shoulder, almost everyone can be in a similar situation.
            Observe the law and in such a situation you will never find yourself .. It would seem that what is easier? But no, we will tryndet about the soullessness of the bureaucratic system.
            Quote: Elka13
            But look
            And what to see if you forged documents with the complicity of your mother? That's right, his "Gestapo" took his ass.
            Now answer this question: if this, already a former policeman, treats falsification of documents so easily. then what is the guarantee that, as an active employee, he did not falsify materials on cases that were in his development? Moreover, these are OPEPS operas, not the district ones.
            1. Elka13
              Elka13 27 November 2017 14: 05
              0
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Observe the law and in such a situation you will never find yourself .. It would seem that what is easier? But no, we will tryndet about the soullessness of the bureaucratic system.

              Everything after this phrase, I realized that arguing is useless. Everyone remained in their own opinion. As soon as you manage to live and not break the law anywhere, respect is simple ... And the salary is white, and then you pass the car according to the law, and the child was taken to kindergarten without surcharge. You do not watch pirated films. The software on the computer is only licensed. Wifi Zaregin's point in government.)
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 27 November 2017 19: 41
                0
                Quote: Elka13
                Everything after this phrase, I realized that arguing is useless
                Don’t argue if the subject of the dispute is not familiar to you hi
                Quote: Elka13
                And the salary is white, and then you pass the car according to the law, and the child was taken to kindergarten without surcharges.
                Absolutely right! And I don’t give bribes to traffic cops
                Quote: Elka13
                You do not watch pirated films. The software on the computer is only licensed.
                And this is my personal choice - the struggle against the arrogant capitalist monopolies, but without the subsequent distribution and copying of their products. smile I have Windows licensed, by the way
                Quote: Elka13
                Wifi Zaregin's point in government.)
                But you must? The first time I've heard.
                You confuse warm with soft. Crime violation committed by the Crimean policeman is not an ordinary administrative person. This citizen could not be accepted for service in the internal affairs department, as he submitted false documents. The fact that the responsible officials did not pay attention to this fact is not surprising - then, in general, a mess was going on in Crimea. However, this does not remove the subsequent responsibility neither from personnel officers, nor from USB specialists.
                Now look, this character with his cunning fraud a lot of people, including his own mother. Although it would seem that it’s easier - do you want to finalize it before the retirement in Ukraine? Not a question, but then you will receive Russian citizenship on a common basis, as a foreign citizen. Do you want to start a service in the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation? We ask you for favors (all the more, according to him, there was an agreement on employment), but quit the Kiev police, so that at the time of the referendum you have a Crimean residence permit and, accordingly, automatic citizenship of the Russian Federation. But no, Mr. Dolzhenko chose the most “smart” way ...
                Another proof that natural cunning has usually come to the Ukrainians sideways.
  3. ando_bor
    ando_bor 26 November 2017 15: 26
    +5
    There, it’s more likely not human rights activists, but law enforcement officers to deal with.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 26 November 2017 16: 49
      +3
      Quote: ando_bor
      There, it’s more likely not human rights activists, but law enforcement officers to deal with.


      There rather И human rights defendersИ, and law enforcementИ need to do ... hi
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 26 November 2017 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: weksha50
        Quote: ando_bor
        There, it’s more likely not human rights activists, but law enforcement officers to deal with.


        There rather И human rights defendersИ, and law enforcementИ need to do ... hi

        and "specialists" too !!! wink yes good good good
  4. bk316
    bk316 26 November 2017 15: 28
    +4
    Infiltrated slowly .....
    They should not have been deprived of citizenship, but taken with a pencil.
    You look among these 2000 hundreds of spies would be found.
  5. cariperpaint
    cariperpaint 26 November 2017 15: 32
    +7
    pure criminal. why are human rights activists excited? there in that mess you can see so many all kinds of left-handed documents stuck that they will understand for another 10 years. who knows who is there under the guise of citizenship ...
    1. Going
      Going 26 November 2017 16: 02
      +9
      To raise a political wave against Russia.
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 November 2017 15: 55
    0
    No matter how there the prosecutor’s office had to intervene, for there are violations both upon receipt and, moreover, upon deprivation of citizenship!
  7. Sergey53
    Sergey53 26 November 2017 15: 58
    +3
    Everything is correct. If you violated the conditions for acquiring citizenship, deprive the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
  8. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 16: 00
    +2
    Quote: 210ox
    For crimes of an anti-state orientation, deprivation of citizenship is unambiguous. Including in the registration sphere.

    Anyway, the concept of human rights defenders is discredited by all sorts of persons, such as Gerber and others ... Therefore, it is alarming when they try to put their hand to something!
  9. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 16: 02
    +2
    Quote: Esoteric
    Deprivation of citizenship is necessary not only in the Crimea. Such “non-Russians” live here in Moscow that it is time to send them to their historical homeland with their children and business ...

    Business depending on what! If it’s a resource one, then squeeze it out and ... as you rightly noted - to the historical homeland !!!
  10. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 26 November 2017 16: 05
    +2
    Why be surprised? Former bureaucrats of Ukrainians, became one-part officials of Russia. Twenty years have not passed without a trace. It is naive to suppose that they immediately fell in love with a new homeland and began to work in a new way. Ours are still "mowing" to their advantage.
  11. Hey
    Hey 26 November 2017 16: 57
    +1
    The Law "On Citizenship" should be clearly spelled out, which is the basis for obtaining citizenship of the Russian Federation. And it is clearly stated that if one of the points coincides, citizenship is granted unconditionally.
    In my opinion, these are the following points:
    1. By birth right - if born in the territory of the current Russian Federation.
    2. By blood law - if one of the parents has the citizenship of the Russian Federation.
    (non-adult children (under 18 years old) obtain citizenship with parents automatically)
    3. In the newly joined territories, for all residents on the date of accession.
    Only then renunciation (for terrorism, for repeated renunciation of citizenship (once a person has the right to make a mistake), dual citizenship (are you with us or without).
    The sick, the orphans and the wretched must also be taken; we will not become poor or become rich.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 November 2017 18: 26
      +4
      The most difficult thing is to renounce Russian citizenship. At work
      one Russian (not a Jew) tried it. It is necessary to bring 100 kg of references, the most
      wild belay Fill out 100 forms. In general - no chance. For life ... laughing
  12. Varyag77
    Varyag77 26 November 2017 17: 06
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Such "citizens" definitely need to be deprived
    Victor Dolzhenko:
    - .. I served in the internal affairs bodies for 22 years, and in 2003 I was transferred from Crimea to the central apparatus of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, to Kiev. When the Maidan took place, all this massacre in the city center, I immediately decided to return home to the Crimea: on March 15, 2014 I transported children and things, agreed with my colleagues that they would take me to the Crimean Ministry of Internal Affairs without any problems. But I could not just quit in Kiev: I would be fired for absenteeism and would not have been hired anywhere! I AM returned to the capital of Ukraine and until June was waiting for an official resignation.
    These three months, neither here nor there, have become fatal for Victor.
    - At first everything was fine: I received Russian citizenship, then I was checked for six months and in December 2014 I was enrolled in the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs in the Republic of Crimea, in my native UBEP.
    .. And suddenly in October 2016, he was called to the Security Council, his own safety: “What did you, dear friend, live in Kiev at the time of the referendum? But how did you get Russian citizenship on June 6, 2014, if only on June 10 you were fired from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine? ”
    Victor explains that on March 15, having arrived in Crimea for one day, he managed to register in his Simferopol apartment, so it doesn’t matter whether he left or not left for Kiev.
    SB operatives in response show Victor’s Ukrainian passport, which contains a residence permit: “Mr. Kiev, st. Moldavian ... "- and there are no marks about the Crimean registration. How can it be?
    Victor basically explains:
    - I have mom worked at the FMS. Of course, without her help, I would not have registered in the Crimea in a day (and didn’t turn things around so that a stamp with a Crimean address would not appear in the only Ukrainian passport at that time). Of course, I hid the intention from the Kiev authorities to switch to the service of Russia, so that I would not be accused of treason! But here, in the Crimea, everything was done legally: in Russian databases my registration is, and after all I was checked when I entered the service! I took the oath of Russia, I finally wrote the renunciation of citizenship of Ukraine (this procedure is mandatory for all civil servants of Crimea.). Yes, I delayed three months, I was waiting for a bypass sheet, I didn’t come as Poklonskaya, chopping off the ends! Should I be killed for this ?!
    Alas, the Russian state was surprisingly scrupulous. The lieutenant colonel’s desire to be good on both sides of the border: in Ukraine, quitting without scandal, in Russia joining an equivalent position was not appreciated.
    Dolzhenko’s Russian passport was seized, and an officer was fired. He filed a lawsuit three times, but all authorities shrugged their hands: the fact of Dolzhenko’s registration in Crimea does not mean permanent residence in Crimea on March 18, 2014.
    And his mother, who committed an official crime, too. Such, so to speak, “new Russians,” for personal comfort, will easily accept any citizenship - even of Ukraine, even of Guinea-Bissau ...

    Well, in its pure form, so to speak. X_oh_la example in all its glory. Straight quintessence.
    1. Pivasik
      Pivasik 26 November 2017 17: 21
      0
      I agree. A classic example of thoughtful "..." actions
  13. Simon
    Simon 26 November 2017 17: 09
    +2
    Quote: Jedi
    In Crimea, from 2 to 4 thousand people are deprived of Russian citizenship

    As I understand it, the lawfulness of both obtaining and depriving Russian citizenship will be checked.

    Totally agree! yes
  14. Simon
    Simon 26 November 2017 17: 13
    +4
    Quote: ODERVIT
    Why be surprised? Former bureaucrats of Ukrainians, became one-part officials of Russia. Twenty years have not passed without a trace. It is naive to suppose that they immediately fell in love with a new homeland and began to work in a new way. Ours are still "mowing" to their advantage.

    I completely agree! Thanks to them, elements alien to our country can slip through to obtain Russian citizenship. yes
  15. Sevastik
    Sevastik 26 November 2017 17: 17
    +1
    It is necessary to understand seriously. At 14m there was a big mess, it’s a joke, to arrange a citizenship of 2,5 million, only by the middle of the 15th FMS the local one had learned to work, although I think that they had “taught”. So from the 15th and began to rake the mess of the 14th. Why just raised the topic now, I don’t know.
    To understand what kind of people here received citizenship at 14m - an example: the former "organizer" of the victory parades in Sevas, and now the head of the Ukrainian analogue of the FSO, pan Geletey, his wife and children are citizens !, an apartment in Yalta and, like, in Simfer.
    1. shans2
      shans2 26 November 2017 17: 27
      0
      Russian citizenship makes it possible to judge him in Russia)). So that everything is ambiguous regarding him). Medzhlisovsky Islyamov also received citizenship, now on the wanted list for terrorism in relation to the undermining of the electrical support in Crimea
  16. Moskovit
    Moskovit 26 November 2017 17: 28
    0
    The TV channels REN TV and NTV were not allowed to cover the All-Russian Congress in Defense of Human Rights - the decision of the organizing committee of the congress was made in advance and later supported by the participants of the event.

    "We do not allow, we do not accredit two television companies - NTV and REN TV. They tried to get in here, they were not allowed," said Lev Ponomarev, a representative of the organizing committee of the congress, leader of the For Human Rights movement, during the congress.

    Ponomarev explained to RIA Novosti that these two channels have repeatedly broadcast "absolutely false, false" programs, films about the work of human rights defenders in Russia.

    Freedom of speech fighters decided not to let journalists into their coven. Here they are)).
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 November 2017 17: 46
    +2
    2 "dubious" for more than 000 million? Given the rush the process took ...
    I would say that everything was carried out mega-successfully. 0.1%! Five for the organization!
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 26 November 2017 18: 10
    0
    It seems that they covered the feeder in the FMS, and they deprived everyone in a row without understanding. There was such a case with rights when the forms of rights were torn up in Chechnya and the entire series was banned for use. I know who ran who argued that he was not a donkey.
  19. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 26 November 2017 18: 14
    +3
    If a good soul was found to check the validity of the mass deprivation of the citizenship of the USSR by Russians ...
  20. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 26 November 2017 18: 19
    0
    There are places in Russia where happy people live.
  21. Auditor
    Auditor 26 November 2017 18: 34
    0
    Quote: ando_bor
    There, it’s more likely not human rights activists, but law enforcement officers to deal with.

    I agree to all 100% FMS - this is a muddy water in which cunning bureaucrats catch money. Personally, he personally faced either direct moronity in the performance of official duties, or with an impudent and attempted extortion. Changing my passport after reaching 45 years, I passed it to the MFC in compliance with all formalities. At the appointed time, the MFC did not have a passport and the girl operator said that I need to contact the FMS. Upon arrival at this office, I was dumbfounded by the question: "- And where were you 20 years ago ... the date ... of the year?" with subsequent explanations that if I do not provide clear evidence that I was in the territory of the Russian Federation on the indicated date, I will be deprived of citizenship, since there is no evidence that I am a citizen of my country, because my passport was handed over to me, I did not understand why, does not prove the fact of my citizenship. And this despite the fact that I have never traveled further from Abkhazia to Russia.
  22. Altona
    Altona 26 November 2017 19: 26
    +1
    Human rights defenders are not at all interested in things that should concern them. It is necessary to disperse all these HRCs and other "human rights" organizations that work not in our interests.
  23. Fedya2017
    Fedya2017 26 November 2017 19: 58
    +6
    After the annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian and other shustriks poured en masse there, wishing to quickly acquire Russian citizenship. Of course, the local authorities also made money on this ... Right and the guilty are making a fuss now. It is necessary to control this process ...
  24. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 27 November 2017 10: 45
    0
    All in accordance with the letter of the Law of the Russian Federation.