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Duel of the tank and jihad-mobile in Iraq

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Iraqi Shiite police posted on YouTube a video of a battle between a tank and "jihad mobile" - a car that terrorists charged with explosives and sent towards the military, reports RIA News.




On the record made from the drone, you can see how the car is first tried to be stopped by automatic fire, after which the tank fires a shot, but misses. The car moves on.

The car drives closer and explodes. Fragments reach the tank and the BMP and almost fall into the military, who watched the fight.



"Jihad-mobil" - weapon suicide bombers who were used, for example, during the battle of Mosul. Their production is practically put on stream: the terrorists, preparing their "bombs on wheels", simply sheathe a jeep filled with explosives with thick sheets of steel.

For the first time, Toyota’s armed pickups were used by Chadian forces against Libyan forces during the 1970 – 1980 war. It is noteworthy that due to the active use of the machines, the Chadian-Libyan conflict even got the name “War of Toyota”.
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  1. mig29mks
    mig29mks 26 November 2017 09: 02 New
    +8
    Savages !!!
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 26 November 2017 09: 12 New
      21
      Strange duel. The tank missed, and the DM generally drove past the tank. No dueling code there. smile
      1. bddrus
        bddrus 26 November 2017 10: 17 New
        +5
        the jihadist is hard to see - heavily wired with iron, and therefore missed.
        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 26 November 2017 11: 48 New
          +4
          Between the 37th and 47th second of the video, I noticed three short automatic bursts from the dust sultans, fired from the side of the group that was already overs on the left. The first two in one trunk, the last in several (most likely two trunks), after which the car stopped. Then he went again and exploded. I didn’t see the shot of the tank.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 26 November 2017 11: 59 New
            +1
            Although no, at the 46th second the smoke from the shot is visible. But they shot generally higher, it seems.
      2. novel66
        novel66 26 November 2017 10: 17 New
        16
        the Arabs .... it is strange that they noticed each other at all, and they didn’t thump like .....
      3. Evgeny Strygin
        Evgeny Strygin 27 November 2017 18: 41 New
        0
        it seems that they didn’t miss the machine gun very much - either they stopped the car, or they injured the pilot and he decided to gasp for last.
    2. Spartanez300
      Spartanez300 26 November 2017 09: 21 New
      25
      Jihad is a mobile at a glance and so close let go, they are masochists on the campaign. laughing
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 26 November 2017 11: 25 New
        +2
        Jihad is a mobile at a glance and so close let go, they are masochists on the campaign.

        Samurai kamikaze have not yet been transferred what smile
        but modern technologies nullify the effectiveness of their use on the battlefield ... yesterday ... and until the Ishilovites will suffer from this stupidity ... smile until everyone is killed.
        1. ProkletyiPirat
          ProkletyiPirat 26 November 2017 18: 58 New
          +2
          The classic application of "ground torpedoes" or "jihad mobiles" on video.
          1) choose a territory with many shelters (for storing the car, for maneuvering along the way to the target and for external adjustment)
          2) let the enemy closer
          3) attack

          Suppose that in this video there is also an unsuccessful detonation (an unlikely wound of infantry at a long distance and a possible shell-shock among tankers, tank equipment is not badly damaged). Nevertheless, the fact is visible, which I have said many times. Today’s tanks are unsuitable for the destruction of non-armored, artisanal and lightly armored vehicles, at long distances due to the small ammunition load, at medium due to the high cost of the shot, at close due to the low rate of fire of the main gun and the weak machine gun impact due to armor, therefore on tanks you need to put a paired 20-30mm high-speed automatic gun with OF-OFZT and BB-BBZT shots.
          Quote: The same LYOKHA
          modern technologies nullify the effectiveness of their use on the battlefield

          Everything is exactly the opposite. Cheap tablet phones, ip cameras, laptops, computers, routers, walkie-talkies, etc. etc. already provide target designation and external control. And with the advent of robotic vehicles there will also be a massive hack and attack by "flocks" of robotic vehicles.
          1. Same lech
            Same lech 26 November 2017 20: 30 New
            +1
            Everything is accurate but vice versa
            Well, firstly, nothing prevents mine approaches and make traps with water to the object ... the video shows that this was not done by the terrorist and took advantage ... miscalculations of command is the successful use of jihad mobiles.

            And where a competent commander of four wheel bombs and carts farther than minefields and artillery ambushes.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 26 November 2017 21: 15 New
              +1
              and where it was said that this is the defense of their site?
          2. Hottabych
            Hottabych 26 November 2017 22: 16 New
            +1
            It seems to me that soon only robots and drones will fight. And a country that doesn’t have such technology or will concede is losing ...
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 27 November 2017 17: 23 New
              0
              Quote: Hottabych
              It seems to me that soon only robots and drones will fight.

              This will never happen. Just over time, there will be a symbiosis of robots (drones), sparks (AI) and humans into a single adaptive organism. If you don’t understand the essence of how this works, then you can read fiction with the keywords "neurointerface", "neural network", "iskine", "AI", "database", "worlds of the community", the books are full, although as in any genre most slag ...
          3. Orionvit
            Orionvit 26 November 2017 22: 40 New
            0
            Quote: ProkletyiPirat
            Today’s tanks are unsuitable for the destruction of non-armored, artisanal and lightly armored vehicles over long distances

            Hello, why then tanks? The question here is not in tanks, but in crews. If there are rams in the tank, then the tank is just an expensive pile of iron.
            Cheap tablet phones, ip cameras, laptops, computers, routers, walkie-talkies, etc. etc. already provide target designation and external control
            Such things can be good for the army without pants, like the Armed Forces of Ukraine, or partisans from the igil. All military electronics, not only does it use signal encoding, but is also protected from interference. Unlike cheap gadgets that are out of order, elementary electronic warfare installations. Output. If the army is normal, and they do not spare money on it, then the tankers in it are professional and with electronics in order. And jihatmobiles will not allow.
            1. ProkletyiPirat
              ProkletyiPirat 27 November 2017 17: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Orionvit
              Hello, why then tanks?

              Today’s tanks were created under the influence of WWII, their main sharpening is the battle "MBT vs MBT", but the development of technology and military thought led to the fact that MBTs lost leadership in the effectiveness of the fight against enemy MBTs ...
              This tendency first led to an increase in the requirements for the fight against MBT vs enemy strengthening, and later to slogans on the topic of abandoning MBT as a form of technology.
              I think these basic approaches are fundamentally wrong.
    3. RASKAT
      RASKAT 26 November 2017 09: 22 New
      38
      But I'm wondering why such strong points are not mined around the perimeters? MON-50 or MON-90 on braces would be enough to damage the wheels on such a machine. Well, either at the extreme, dig shallow in trenches around the perimeter or pour shafts, for a wheeled car, even they become not a criminal barrier.
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 26 November 2017 09: 31 New
        +5
        This is a lot of people are interested in.
      2. novel66
        novel66 26 November 2017 10: 19 New
        19
        so it is necessary to work! better hope for Allah
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 26 November 2017 10: 20 New
        +7
        Quote: RASKAT
        But I'm wondering why such strong points are not mined around the perimeters? MON-50 or MON-90 on braces would be enough to damage the wheels on such a machine. Well, either at the extreme, dig shallow in trenches around the perimeter or pour shafts, for a wheeled car, even they become not a criminal barrier.

        there is a very easy way to stop any car - a fishing line net with hooks ...
        something like this:
        1. Vovanya
          Vovanya 26 November 2017 11: 06 New
          +9
          In the USSR, once in the exercises, the landing did not have time to collect parachutes, as to "destroy" the landing, they were attacked by tanks. But the attack failed - slings and domes were wound around the rinks and immobilized the tank and armored personnel carriers. After this, another new anti-tank obstacle from parachutes appeared, which the paratroopers left on the field after landing. But, apparently, this obstacle did not receive development - it turned out to be expensive.
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 26 November 2017 12: 06 New
          0
          Spread the tape with spikes and tidy, and they .... ears clap, clap. I just remembered a Hungarian film for children about a police droplet, where a 10-12 year-old maiden earned money at a tire service: scattered broken bottles on the road, and then suggested the address of the nearest tire service. In my opinion, the movie was called "Droplet and His Friends." I remember at that time films were shown: "In me Mukhtar", "Civil". Kamrada Olgovic, Sailboat, 210 okv from others must remember these films
        3. Victor Dubovitsky
          Victor Dubovitsky 26 November 2017 13: 11 New
          0
          Quote: PSih2097
          Quote: RASKAT
          But I'm wondering why such strong points are not mined around the perimeters? MON-50 or MON-90 on braces would be enough to damage the wheels on such a machine. Well, either at the extreme, dig shallow in trenches around the perimeter or pour shafts, for a wheeled car, even they become not a criminal barrier.

          there is a very easy way to stop any car - a fishing line net with hooks ...
          something like this:

          An interesting way. But how are the wheels freed? Only in workshops, or is it possible after resolving the issue that caused such a driver on the spot?
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 26 November 2017 17: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
            An interesting way. But how are the wheels freed? Only in workshops, or is it possible after resolving the issue that caused such a driver on the spot?

            as well as on a ship that wound the network onto a screw - there with a knife in his hands and with a scuba gear, there are also two jacks, a preferably clerical knife and hands growing from where you need it, a friend told me that he spent 4 hours on unlocking the bridge, plus the purchase of new tires - the hooks in the trash blew the rubber ...
            by the way, a car can turn over such a thing more than once, depending on speed.
        4. PSih2097
          PSih2097 26 November 2017 18: 24 New
          0
          you can do it this way too, for the PSU screening, the sensors and control system from TM-80 are taken as the basis (as an option, they are simply seismic and laser sensors from other systems), then landmines / mines / IEDs along the PS perimeter and all this is linked to the same laptop / tablet, which is with the group commander. All!
          I think what happened is a typical Arab gouging.
          1. Victor Dubovitsky
            Victor Dubovitsky 26 November 2017 20: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: PSih2097
            you can do it this way too, for the PSU screening, the sensors and control system from TM-80 are taken as the basis (as an option, they are simply seismic and laser sensors from other systems), then landmines / mines / IEDs along the PS perimeter and all this is linked to the same laptop / tablet, which is with the group commander. All!
            I think what happened is a typical Arab gouging.

            In defense, this is possible. And on the offensive?
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 26 November 2017 22: 51 New
              0
              Quote: Victor Dubovitsky
              In defense, this is possible. And on the offensive?

              Gouging, if any, is possible both on the defensive and on the offensive.
        5. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 November 2017 22: 14 New
          0
          In the video is a rear-wheel drive car. With front-wheel drive this will not work, although it will add some difficulties. Nevertheless, there should be engineering equipment (a small ditch along the perimeter, at least.) Is there no trenchers there, or can’t use it?
      4. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 November 2017 13: 05 New
        +3
        "Jihadmobil" is often made on a tracked chassis based on
        BMP-1 or something like that. Any stretch marks with small charges and small ditches
        It will pass without problems. And if they are made close to the checkpoint, then a powerful explosion of the checkpoint
        still blow.
        Only an ATGM or tank shell can handle it.
        1. Whaler
          Whaler 26 November 2017 14: 03 New
          +5
          With BMP-1, KPVT easily cope))) ayaka oh vei D
          1. Pivot
            Pivot 26 November 2017 22: 14 New
            0
            They weigh them extra. shields, neither KPVT nor 30 mm automatic guns will help, it is necessary to stop the tank.
          2. karabas-barabas
            karabas-barabas 27 November 2017 02: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Whaler
            With BMP-1, KPVT easily cope))) ayaka oh vei D


            Judging by the video of ISISpvtsev they make their shahidmobiles honestly, from a good armor, in several layers with a gap, that is, spaced armor. There is a rather popular video of the murdered igilovets, where they attack their home-made BMPs. So, in the direction of travel, one such machine received either an RPG grenade or a “boot” to the front from the starboard side, but continued to move as if nothing had happened. Then the car with the operator stopped, the battle began and their car also received a grenade (RPG / LNG is not clear) in the forehead, which caused the car to be hit, but the crew left it without damage and managed to pull out the weapons. True, they all later died, but already in open space. So it’s not so easy to knock down such a shahid BTR, especially if you have noticed only a few hundred meters, given the speed of approach, nerves, and limited means of destruction.
        2. antivirus
          antivirus 26 November 2017 14: 21 New
          +1
          +
          local color
          "know, swam"
          our land is drunk with blood and until it asks

          BBV - Arid region, constantly watered
          and the question is how to live in constant combat readiness?
          where, where is the new homeland? - in the absence of rear
          otherwise: where are the rear?
        3. PSih2097
          PSih2097 26 November 2017 18: 05 New
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          "Jihadmobil" is often made on a tracked chassis based on

          the goose’s speed is lower than the wheels, and if the net is not made from fishing line, but from some kind of durable polymer such as Kevlar, I think the BMP with BMD will stop. purely IMHO.
          1. region58
            region58 26 November 2017 23: 23 New
            0
            Quote: PSih2097
            I think BMP and BMD stoparnet


        4. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 26 November 2017 22: 15 New
          0
          More often it is Toyota. Small ditches will come down against them.
        5. karabas-barabas
          karabas-barabas 27 November 2017 02: 01 New
          0
          Barbed wire, the so-called NATO-Draht perfectly brakes any tank, and can tear a goose fly. Since it is complicated with rings a meter in diameter, such a roll is attached at one end of the road, and when there is a similar danger, you can pull it across the road with a nylon cord in a couple of seconds. And so as not to turn off the road, you can right and left, along the road, too, about 20 meters to pull.
      5. ProkletyiPirat
        ProkletyiPirat 26 November 2017 19: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: RASKAT
        But I'm wondering why such strong points are not mined around the perimeters?

        Damn so many people responded with a very smart look. And no one wrote "why should terrorists mine their territory from jihad mobiles?"
      6. Rash
        Rash 26 November 2017 21: 39 New
        +2
        But I’m wondering why such strong points are not mined around the perimeters

        Arabs, sir! hi
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 21: 42 New
          +7
          Nusery :)

          Zadolbal robot ... "the text of your comment" ... horror tries

          But - the nusers are one-word
    4. Maz
      Maz 26 November 2017 09: 33 New
      +2
      Tankers for retraining. To a suicide bomber - to hell
    5. Settlement Oparyshev
      Settlement Oparyshev 26 November 2017 11: 06 New
      0
      Where are our DM drivers? Or is it available only to IS men?
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 26 November 2017 11: 40 New
      +2
      To savages, and to whom you have fun! laughing Is Russian roulette a civilization? belay
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 26 November 2017 14: 45 New
        +5
        Quote: siberalt
        Where are our DM drivers?

        If you do not mind our soldiers, then really a mess.
        Quote: p-k Oparyshev
        Or is this available only to men of the IG?
        I’m living next to this street and I don’t have such a question, our soldiers are ready for even more when it comes to self-sacrifice.
        1. siberalt
          siberalt 26 November 2017 16: 01 New
          +1
          Well, and where did you get my alleged “quote”? request And at the same time, explain what your "DM" means?
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 26 November 2017 16: 55 New
            0
            Of course, I wildly apologize, because. the overlay came out, it happens when you click on the wrong icon .. of course there should be Oparyshev instead of your good nicknamerepeat hi ))) DM is a jihadmobile
            1. siberalt
              siberalt 26 November 2017 16: 59 New
              0
              Come on. Hush up. All the way.
            2. PSih2097
              PSih2097 26 November 2017 18: 09 New
              0
              Quote: Thunderbolt
              DM is a jihadmobile

              not only - DM - Death Match - network shooting mode - all against everyone (pyshch-pyshch-pyshch laughing ) ...
  2. Vincent
    Vincent 26 November 2017 09: 10 New
    +4
    This time they were all very lucky. Judging by the video, in addition to the drove Toyota, no injuries. Is it not possible to shoot jihadmobiles from some fly on an oncoming course? After all, it’s already the sixth year of the war, but really there is no opposition. They are watching, no one will reach ...
  3. Jedi
    Jedi 26 November 2017 09: 11 New
    15
    the tank fires, but misses.

    I’m not a tanker, but I still have to be able to miss from such a distance, no? what
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 26 November 2017 09: 14 New
      +3
      There is clearly an incomplete crew.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 26 November 2017 09: 17 New
        11
        I’m not sure about the shortage of crew, but I admit a low level of training.
        1. novel66
          novel66 26 November 2017 10: 20 New
          +7
          maybe they put a charge, but they forgot a shell - it's Arabs
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 26 November 2017 10: 29 New
            +4
            Also an option, the discipline of the Arabs is that ...
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 November 2017 09: 25 New
      19
      Is not a fact...
      It is at such a distance that the angular displacements of the maneuvering target are large.
      Perhaps to combat such threats, it is worthwhile to install NSVT or even KPVT with armor-piercing shells over the barrel. They could give the density of fire necessary to stop a highly maneuverable target.
      1. Jedi
        Jedi 26 November 2017 09: 34 New
        +3
        Got it, thanks for the clarification. hi
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 November 2017 09: 40 New
          +9
          At fifty meters, the target, shifting by only 4 meters, completely "flies" out of sight of the sight
          1. Jedi
            Jedi 26 November 2017 09: 46 New
            +9
            From my own experience I know that the closer the moving target and the higher the magnification of the optics, the more difficult it is to keep the target in the crosshair of the sight.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 November 2017 09: 51 New
              +6
              Quote: Jedi
              From my own experience I know that the closer the moving target and the higher the magnification of the optics, the more difficult it is to keep the target in the crosshair of the sight.

              Well yes ... When shooting at a moving target, angular speeds are important, not linear.
              The car going exactly to the arrow at a speed of 100 km / h is stationary for it
              1. Jedi
                Jedi 26 November 2017 09: 58 New
                +5
                The correct clarification, I blunted it, forgetting to mention the direction of movement relative to the line of sight and angular velocity. repeat
                1. pvv113
                  pvv113 26 November 2017 11: 40 New
                  +7
                  Toyota pickup trucks

                  Something did not come across to me information on the investigation of the source of a huge amount of Toyota at the disposal of dushmans. The investigation has begun, and the results are not known. Maybe someone came across something about this?
                  1. Paranoid50
                    Paranoid50 26 November 2017 12: 06 New
                    +5
                    Quote: pvv113
                    The investigation has begun, and the results are not known.

                    How ... Even under Obama, about a year and a half ago, mattresses found out that some kind of mattress office is related to the supply of these pickups. And then everything calmed down ... wink
                    1. pvv113
                      pvv113 26 November 2017 12: 08 New
                      +3
                      Until now, I also remember. And then - either I have a memory failure, or someone needed to shut up this thing
                      1. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 26 November 2017 12: 14 New
                        +4
                        Quote: pvv113
                        it was necessary to shut up this matter

                        Duc, of course. yes And now only we remember. laughing And what kind of pickups are there, when mattresses already almost openly fit in for the igloids, and they are ready to declare the noosers rebels.
              2. Nehist
                Nehist 26 November 2017 12: 35 New
                0
                And if OFS? The blast wave and fragments should be enough to stop the jeep and if very close then turn it over. All the same, 120 mm. But the campaign they shot a blank
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 26 November 2017 13: 13 New
                  +1
                  So it will not be "very close" with a miss at such a distance. Unless you try to purposefully shoot on the ground next to the machine. And it’s not a fact that such a thing will damage a well-armored vehicle.
                  Quote: Nehist
                  But the campaign they shot a blank

                  Rather, the missile after a flop flopped a couple of kilometers from the scene
                  1. Nehist
                    Nehist 26 November 2017 15: 41 New
                    +1
                    The tank seems to be 72 and the tower shows that the NSVT is installed, why not from it? It was much more effective.
                    1. ProkletyiPirat
                      ProkletyiPirat 26 November 2017 19: 10 New
                      0
                      Quote: Nehist
                      The tank seems to be 72 and the tower shows that the NSVT is installed, why not from it? It was much more effective.

                      and a suicide bomber will fight against a suicide bomber, and indeed it’s far from the fact that the machine gun was ready to fire.
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 November 2017 19: 14 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Nehist
                      NSVT installed, why not with it? It was much more effective.

                      Who knows, maybe the commander managed to shoot him, but when the tank got into the frame, he was already inside. From sin ...
      2. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 26 November 2017 09: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        It is at such a distance that the angular displacements of the maneuvering target are large.

        But then the projectile’s flight time is minimal. In addition, DM 11 seconds stood, you can have time to make two shots.
        1. novel66
          novel66 26 November 2017 10: 29 New
          +7
          Let me remind you - there is a desert! and DM per kilometer is visible!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 November 2017 11: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Let me remind you - there is a desert! and DM per kilometer is visible!

            Who can be seen? Obviously not the crew of the tank and BMP
            1. novel66
              novel66 27 November 2017 07: 31 New
              +3
              I, of course, am not a great connoisseur of military regulations, but it seems that nobody has canceled the surveillance and security. request
              1. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 07: 35 New
                +8
                Quote: novel xnumx
                surveillance and security has not been canceled

                Yes, that’s what it says there.
                But - "terrain", in the broad sense of the term ...
                The infantry ... didn’t get to the point, and the tank was already here ...
                Without reading, I remember from yesterday: "the fragments almost flew by" ... uncountable ... repeat laughing
                As the battalion commander said - "children ... training flight, repeat"
          2. ProkletyiPirat
            ProkletyiPirat 26 November 2017 19: 13 New
            0
            it’s a village, and there are garages in the village, and the ruined building can be adapted for a garage.
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 November 2017 11: 05 New
          +2
          Quote: kirgiz58
          But then the projectile’s flight time is minimal.

          Does rate of fire depend on this?
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 27 November 2017 00: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Does rate of fire depend on this?

            The accuracy of the hit depends on this (easier to calculate). And the target that moves at you (away from you) is also moving and its speed is also taken into account when shooting.
      3. RASKAT
        RASKAT 26 November 2017 13: 03 New
        +1
        ZU-23-2 on pickups are widespread among them, so ZUShka should penetrate such jihad mobiles practically for take-off and from a couple of kilometers away. They are sheathed with ordinary steel. Maybe there are simply no competent gunners?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 November 2017 14: 49 New
          0
          Quote: RASKAT
          ZUShka should penetrate such jihad mobiles almost on departure and from a couple of kilometers away.

          Why such ranges? Here the problem is precisely in the "near zone". So the 23 mm, I think, will be a redundant solution.
          1. Nehist
            Nehist 26 November 2017 15: 47 New
            +1
            Well why redundant? BZT are quite suitable for themselves especially of the old Soviet model, of which in bulk. What is their tabular armor penetration? If I’m not mistaken with a 500 m 20 mm armor normally pierce
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 November 2017 19: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Nehist
              Well why redundant?

              It will be difficult to place this on top of the barrel. Given the need to supply an adequate number of shells.
              Here, after all, a large range is not needed, rather a high density. Here is something aviation - it would be quite suitable.
              1. Nehist
                Nehist 27 November 2017 04: 07 New
                0
                850 rounds per minute will create insufficient density? it’s not aviation speed, but aircraft guns with the same caliber of the BK are eating 5 times faster there isn’t an adequate number of shells at all if they have a rate of 3000-4000 per minute
      4. komvap
        komvap 26 November 2017 13: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Spade
        .....
        It is at such a distance that the angular displacements of the maneuvering target are large.
        Perhaps to combat such threats, it is worthwhile to install NSVT or even KPVT with armor-piercing shells over the barrel. They could give the density of fire necessary to stop a highly maneuverable target.

        everything is simpler - at the theater of action with such an enemy you need BMP (especially in the correct version with a 57mm machine gun)
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 November 2017 14: 47 New
          +2
          Quote: komvap
          everything is simpler - at the theater of action with such an enemy you need BMP

          What for? Nearby was an infantry fighting vehicle, and, apparently, it worked perfectly.
          1. komvap
            komvap 26 November 2017 19: 53 New
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Quote: komvap
            everything is simpler - at the theater of action with such an enemy you need BMP in the correct version with 57mm automatic

            What for? Nearby was an infantry fighting vehicle, and, apparently, it worked perfectly.


            “it worked perfectly” —that if it destroyed it in the first seconds after detection (the tank didn’t succeed — there wasn’t enough rate of fire or the speed of turning the gun), but the BMPT in the correct version with a 57mm automatic gun would do perfectly — not necessarily from the first projectile, but within 1-3 seconds (2-6 shots), immediately upon detection, it would be accurate.
            As for the BMP in the video - its role is not clear at all - maybe it destroyed (which is very unlikely) or maybe the suicide bombers themselves blew up (which is more likely)
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 November 2017 20: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: komvap
              "perfectly worked" - it would if destroyed in the first seconds after detection

              Are you sure that two BMPs "would be destroyed in the first second"? After all, they are almost an analogue of BMPT (in the sense, unlike the latter, they can also be quickly quickly guided manually)

              Quote: komvap
              in the correct version with 57mm automatic

              At this distance, the 57 mm differs from the 30 mm at only 4 times the slower rate of fire. the pace of fire.
              1. komvap
                komvap 26 November 2017 20: 58 New
                0
                Quote: Spade

                Are you sure that two BMPs "would be destroyed in the first second"?

                I do not understand your idea, explain.
                Quote: Spade

                At this distance, the 57 mm differs from the 30 mm at only 4 times the slower rate of fire. the pace of fire.

                First of all, it is distinguished by the guaranteed destruction of any armored vehicles (except for the frontal armor of a modern machine) from one hit.
                not to mention the fact that the BMPT concept involves not only situations with lazy, stupid Middle Eastern soldiers who start firing 100 meters from the position.
                And at a greater distance, the difference between 57mm and 30mm is huge and fundamental.
                1. komvap
                  komvap 26 November 2017 21: 19 New
                  +1
                  All this I write in the light of my view on the incorrectness of the concept of BMP.
                  Incorrect combination of functions.
                  There should be separate vehicles for transporting personnel, with varying degrees of reservation, capacity and type of drive,
                  and separately attack machines - including, except for typical tanks (1) with heavy armor and heavy weapons, cars (2) with heavy armor, but with rapid-fire, with large angles and high speed of both horizontal and vertical aiming, a gun with large ammunition.
                  What at the current technological level can only correspond to a 57mm machine gun.
                  .BMPT in its current defective form only outlined this direction.
                  Lighter (3) vehicles with both rocket and easily cannon (for lovers of 20-30 mm) weapons are not excluded.
                  But at the current stage, it is important to create tanks of type (2), create heavy armored personnel carriers of the battlefield, and send all BMPs to retire (best of all for money to foreigners).
                2. ProkletyiPirat
                  ProkletyiPirat 26 November 2017 21: 22 New
                  0
                  Quote: komvap
                  And at a greater distance, the difference between 57mm and 30mm is huge and fundamental.

                  "Bigger" is this what?
                  1. komvap
                    komvap 27 November 2017 06: 45 New
                    0
                    s>1500м
                    1. ProkletyiPirat
                      ProkletyiPirat 27 November 2017 17: 44 New
                      0
                      Quote: komvap
                      s>1500м

                      Now compare 125 \ 57 \ 30 at this distance and you will see that 57 does not have an advantage over 125. The probability of hitting 57 will be higher due to a slightly higher rate of fire, but on 125, the probability of destruction will be several times higher due to the use of OFS.
                      In general, 57 has only one advantage, this is the fight against UAVs. But personally, I consider it inappropriate to install 57 only to combat them. Moreover, when analyzing the armament of the advanced groups, I came to the conclusion that in this function (fighting UAVs), active-rockets with a mechanical timer and ready-made fragments would be more suitable.
                      1. komvap
                        komvap 27 November 2017 18: 56 New
                        0
                        Well, you give - they asked about 30mm, and after my answer they jumped to 125
                      2. ProkletyiPirat
                        ProkletyiPirat 27 November 2017 21: 07 New
                        0
                        Quote: komvap
                        Well, you give - they asked about 30mm, and after my answer they jumped to 125

                        That's right, you can replace 125 with 100, the essence will remain the same. And this essence lies in the combination of a pair of 100-152mm and 20-30mm that overlap each other's shortcomings and thereby make 57mm useless. hi
                        Here the logic is simple, 57mm is unable to block either the 100-152 capability or the 20-30 capability, while this 57 has only one advantage over the twin, this is the fight against UAVs, due to a fragmentation projectile with a programmable fuse. BUT the same problem can be solved on the spark, but by other means. Because 57 nafig is unnecessary because it is guaranteed to bring harm and not the fact that it will benefit ...
      5. antivirus
        antivirus 26 November 2017 14: 24 New
        0
        over the trunk of NSVT or even KPVT
        and they will be knocked out, first of all, for alignment with DM
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 November 2017 14: 46 New
          0
          Bulletproof on such a "fender" set, just spit. Especially for Syrian craftsmen.
      6. karabas-barabas
        karabas-barabas 27 November 2017 02: 24 New
        0
        Judging by the dozens of videos of such situations and in general the use of home-made Igilov armored personnel carriers, they make them pretty high quality. It seems that the grain is kept without problems. Need 2A42 for sure. And so many argue, not understanding the situation, lack of time, dust, but giving advice to people who have been fighting there for several years is, in my opinion, superfluous ..
  4. 210ox
    210ox 26 November 2017 09: 11 New
    +4
    He was aiming for half an hour!
  5. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 26 November 2017 09: 14 New
    30
    Judging by the video, donkeys are both in the tank and in the jihadmobile.
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 26 November 2017 10: 10 New
      +1
      Straight exhaustively. I like it.
    2. antivirus
      antivirus 26 November 2017 14: 27 New
      0
      I'm not a military professional
      BUT HANSES IN 41 DG ALSO LAUGHED ON VANKA - DON'T GET IN SIMPLE (FOR HANSES) POSITIONS
      EVERYTHING HAS ITS TIME

      THIS WILL NOT BE EAST (ALL PEASANTS AND CRAFTSMAN). A KILLER MACHINE.
      KSA WILL DISSOLVE SELF THEN,
      CAN ISRAEL ???
      who monitors from former compatriots?
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 November 2017 09: 15 New
    +5
    For such fast-moving targets, there are heavy machine guns. ATGMs, finally, if you don’t get from a tank cannon ... Generally a shame.
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 26 November 2017 10: 00 New
      +3
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      if you don’t get out of the tank gun

      STANDING target at 50 meters range. SHAME - very softly said.
  7. Vincent
    Vincent 26 November 2017 09: 16 New
    +4
    It would be interesting to see how the recently adopted BMPT “Terminator” is being worked out for this purpose. As I understand it, so much firepower and rate of fire that any entry into a sieve of a kilometer and a half should turn.
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 26 November 2017 09: 26 New
      +3
      It would be even more interesting to see the duel of the aircraft carrier and the DM laughing
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 26 November 2017 09: 41 New
        +8
        A jihadcat and a destroyer have already met. "Cole," he's like Aegis. Although, for underwater saboteurs is also an achievable goal.
    2. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 26 November 2017 10: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Vincent
      It would be interesting to see how the recently adopted BMPT “Terminator” is being worked out for this purpose.

      Likewise, they would have pro ...... smeared if the crew of woodpeckers. My loader threw in 6 seconds (though this is from a tank rack) and then AZ, visibility is million per million, and just one shot.
  8. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 November 2017 09: 20 New
    +2
    Training the tank crew for tactical shooting at a moving target leaves much to be desired! !!
  9. alex-cn
    alex-cn 26 November 2017 09: 34 New
    0
    It looks like the tank is defective. What the hell is he spinning the whole if enough to turn the tower?
    1. certero
      certero 26 November 2017 09: 44 New
      0
      Because it will be faster
      1. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 26 November 2017 10: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: certero
        Because it will be faster

        The transfer speed of the stabilizer will be faster.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 November 2017 10: 36 New
          0
          Quote: kirgiz58
          The transfer speed of the stabilizer will be faster.

          If it works
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 November 2017 09: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: alex-cn
      What the hell is he spinning the whole if enough to turn the tower?

      Interesting observation.
      Tankers can correct me, but it seems that the drives still need to be "untwisted". Apparently, the gunner turns the tower manually, but does not have time, therefore the mechanic is trying to help him. Which may indicate the presence of a rather experienced crew, maintaining interaction in a very stressful situation
      1. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 26 November 2017 10: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Spade
        Tankers can correct me

        I will correct it. The crew (and the entire unit) are fucking .. stupid. The goal did not appear instantly (as we had from the forest to the edge), but walked through the desert for a very long time. Therefore, the time to turn on the stabilizer "wagon". The rest is particular.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 November 2017 10: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: kirgiz58
          The goal did not appear instantly

          Instantly. From the tank’s place, the target was closed by buildings. Apparently, to close from a possible defeat of ATRA.
          Who can present something here to fathers-commanders who have not established cooperation.

          There, by the way, one can even see that just before the U-turn, the speed of pointing the gun across the horizon increased. That is, still rotated manually.
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 26 November 2017 13: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: Spade
            Instantly. From the tank’s place, the target was closed by buildings.

            Is not fate hanging out?
            Quote: Spade
            There, by the way, one can even see that just before the U-turn, the speed of pointing the gun across the horizon increased. That is, still rotated manually.

            The horizontal horizontal guidance of the tower can be turned on separately. He does not need any “time for promotion”, especially since the tank is in place and there is no need for a stabilizer.
            Quote: Spade
            Who can present something here to fathers-commanders who have not established cooperation.

            So above I said that the whole unit is rams, led by commanders. And there are no discounts that it’s not the professionals who drive. Observation and protection of the combat position is the basis. It’s good that it happened and no one died, and if the bearded were more fortunate, all open personnel would be at least in a hospital with shell shocks.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 26 November 2017 15: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: kirgiz58
              Is not fate hanging out?

              Here it would not be necessary to stick out, but jump up to ten meters.
              Quote: kirgiz58
              He doesn’t need any “time for promotion”

              Are you sure of that?
              1. kirgiz58
                kirgiz58 27 November 2017 00: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: Spade
                Are you sure of that?

                When do you press a button at a drill, how much does it spin? The electric drive of the GN tower is the mode when the Cheburashka is right and the tower is right, the Cheburashka is left and the tower is left, drop the Cheburashka and the tower will stand motionless relative to the tank, no matter how it rotates. The T-34 had no stabilizer, but there was already an electric drive. So I'm not just sure. An emergency turn button for the cap (on the mech) is also output to this electric drive, which also works when the stabilizer is off (the tower goes instantly to the side).
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 27 November 2017 08: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: kirgiz58
                  When do you press a button at a drill, how much does it spin?

                  A drill is not a guidance drive. In self-propelled guns, it spins for quite some time.
                  1. kirgiz58
                    kirgiz58 27 November 2017 15: 19 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Spade
                    In self-propelled guns, it spins for quite some time.

                    Are you trolling me? am And here is the SPG ?! Have you ever been in a tank? Comparison with a drill, that it’s just an electric motor, that’s in the drive, no intermediate devices, only a toggle switch on the “cheburashka” and a control circuit left and right, NO gyroscopes that are untwisted. I doubt that such a simple truth does not reach you! You never admit your mistakes and errors ?? Then I can’t help you with anything. hi
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 27 November 2017 15: 48 New
                      0
                      Quote: kirgiz58
                      And here the self-propelled guns?

                      Are you sure that the tank and self-propelled guns are different in principle? And specifically so that the artillerymen are tormented by them delivering those that require "promotion"?
                      1. kirgiz58
                        kirgiz58 27 November 2017 15: 59 New
                        +1
                        Now I will start trolling !!!
                        Quote: Spade
                        Are you sure,
                        - Yes!

                        Quote: Spade
                        tips
                        - nakonyaki. tongue

                        Quote: Spade
                        SPGs are different
                        - What do you mean 2C1, 2C3, 2C5, 2C7, 2C19, but can you tell us about 2C35? About the latter I will not - I do not know your admission. laughing

                        Quote: Spade
                        "promotion"
                        - Promotion requires only future pop stars. tongue
                        hi hi
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 November 2017 11: 13 New
          +1
          Quote: kirgiz58
          I will correct it. The crew (and the entire unit) are fucking .. stupid.

          Well ..... "The one who does not work is not mistaken!" - it is customary to say in Russia ... wink
    3. demiurg
      demiurg 26 November 2017 09: 50 New
      +2
      11 degrees second turret rotation speed. It is easier to tighten the tank with a lead, at the same time substituting the forehead for the explosion.
      1. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 26 November 2017 10: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: demiurg
        It’s easier to turn the tank forward,

        Not at all easier. It will take more time, it’s not easy to turn on the first one on the “untwisted engine”, you also need to be able to start off with the “right” goose in the sand (stall at times), how much you need to twist unclearly (the trunk is removed from the field of view of the mechanic). Putting it all together, it’s easier to drive the GN (we do not even turn on the stabilizer).
  10. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 26 November 2017 09: 45 New
    +4
    Is this a duel ??? This is idiocy.
  11. demiurg
    demiurg 26 November 2017 09: 49 New
    +8
    There is a machine gun on the tower, there are 2a42 BMP. It’s not clear how one can oversleep an attack in the desert. By the way, either a cliff or thirty of them did break through, which is probably why the truck first went to the side and then stood up, and most likely because of the inability to continue driving, the suicide bomber blew up the car.
    1. IL-18
      IL-18 26 November 2017 10: 19 New
      +4
      A F1 car there would not have driven half a meter. Visibility, as in the desert, to the horizon. Relaxed, we need to give them the UGiKS. Arabs learn a lot of interesting things there.
  12. vanavatny
    vanavatny 26 November 2017 10: 02 New
    +5
    what do they all smoke there? request and the pedestrian in the video is generally immortal ...
  13. faiver
    faiver 26 November 2017 10: 38 New
    +5
    Oil painting by Repin - Arabs in the war, one received a tank three days ago, retake the second torturer laughing
  14. Pereira
    Pereira 26 November 2017 10: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Jedi
    the tank fires, but misses.

    I’m not a tanker, but I still have to be able to miss from such a distance, no? what


    This is hard to hit. It’s easy to miss.
  15. demiurg
    demiurg 26 November 2017 10: 39 New
    +6
    Quote: IL-18
    A F1 car there would not have driven half a meter. Visibility, as in the desert, to the horizon. Relaxed, we need to give them the UGiKS. Arabs learn a lot of interesting things there.

    Judging by the video, the guys have a siesta. All the heat is lying somewhere in the shade. It’s strange that someone didn’t sleep at all.
    I watched the video again. At 26 seconds, it seems like the techie is following after the shaitan with a cart. And masterfully becomes on the same line technical / jihadmobil / BMP. It’s not a facepalm, something more powerful is needed. and a suicide bomber, instead of cutting into technicals + infantry drove in circular ways through the anadyrka to armored vehicles. It’s straight felt how people know how to fight there. I begin to believe the Israeli data on the destroyed technology of the Arabs.
  16. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 11: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: RASKAT
    But I'm wondering why such strong points are not mined around the perimeters? MON-50 or MON-90 on braces would be enough to damage the wheels on such a machine. Well, either at the extreme, dig shallow in trenches around the perimeter or pour shafts, for a wheeled car, even they become not a criminal barrier.

    Well you give! Dig the earth and fill the shafts? And for this, take a shovel? They are above it! And you immediately such a rebus, mental (guess) and physical (dig) ...
  17. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 11: 24 New
    0
    Quote: IL-18
    A F1 car there would not have driven half a meter. Visibility, as in the desert, to the horizon. Relaxed, we need to give them the UGiKS. Arabs learn a lot of interesting things there.

    So they don’t really want to study, for so much time it’s already possible to pass a gunner at least to the 2nd grade ...
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 26 November 2017 11: 53 New
    0
    everyone made a conclusion from this war. It is clear that there will be no repetition of the first and second trench wars.
  19. sergo1914
    sergo1914 26 November 2017 12: 10 New
    +2
    The headline is fire. And this is a "military (military, Karl) review. It would seem that the bottom has been broken through a series of articles about October. But no. Local" journalists "never tire of surprising me.
  20. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 26 November 2017 12: 17 New
    +1
    Is there some kind of postanov, the kamikaze has no logic, was there a driver at all, or was there a brick on the pedal?
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 26 November 2017 13: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Is there some kind of postanov, the kamikaze has no logic, was there a driver at all, or was there a brick on the pedal?

      Like the Kyrgyz Kyrgyz laughing It is quite possible and artisanal remote control, which in full mode and did not work.
  21. pvv113
    pvv113 26 November 2017 12: 32 New
    +1
    Paranoid50,
    Here I agree completely. Toyota in this case is already a trifle
  22. Evil 55
    Evil 55 26 November 2017 13: 39 New
    0
    Apparently, the tank leader behind the arms of the Cliff turned out to be the most productive ..
  23. Doliva63
    Doliva63 26 November 2017 15: 12 New
    +5
    Quote: Vovanya
    slings and domes were wound on skating rinks and immobilized the tank and armored personnel carriers.

    Gee gee! laughing So a decent fighter to the demobilization tore the sling with his hands laughing
  24. the monastery
    the monastery 26 November 2017 16: 05 New
    0
    what the fuck duel IN well, a little with the headings adequate.
    so did not fire off the word at all. apparently he was shattered, he blew himself up as best he could.
    it's minus the clowns of sar
  25. vredlo
    vredlo 26 November 2017 16: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: Doliva63
    Quote: Vovanya
    slings and domes were wound on skating rinks and immobilized the tank and armored personnel carriers.

    Gee gee! laughing So a decent fighter to the demobilization tore the sling with his hands laughing
    Well, apparently not one line was wound all the same)
  26. serge siberian
    serge siberian 26 November 2017 18: 42 New
    +1
    Where are the observers? Where is the military guard? I’m not talking about the simplest engineering structures. I didn’t make out who killed this arba, maybe it was said in the Arabic commentary? good
  27. kkk888
    kkk888 26 November 2017 22: 37 New
    0
    hand grenade launcher with optics and all the rules
  28. Nikolai Petrov
    Nikolai Petrov 27 November 2017 03: 28 New
    0
    It was not the case that “hot” Estonians rode in a tank and a bearded mobile? At this pace, we probably still had a “duel” with Hitler in the Brest region.
  29. Vadim Sh.
    Vadim Sh. 30 November 2017 01: 09 New
    0
    And what did the tank crew wait for? They could destroy this car 20 times ...... and it doesn’t seem like a performance.
    1. ProkletyiPirat
      ProkletyiPirat 30 November 2017 01: 51 New
      0
      tanks in general can do a lot, especially in theory ...