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Alternative history of the Great October Revolution

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Bondarchuk-Parvus, Khabensky-Trotsky-Kolchak and Mironov-Lenin convinced me. The Bolsheviks were agents of foreign intelligence services, the six Rothschilds and Rockefellers. In vain I and on Starikov pulled. Against the facts, as well as the mighty talent of the listed masters of culture you will not trample. I vividly imagine how it all happened.




Lenin's first conversation took place, of course, with the German Ludendorff in a safe flat, in Switzerland still.

Ludendorff: “You understand, Lenin, what to do, how will you come to Russia?»

Lenin: "I don’t complain about it. Bayonets in the ground, a world without annexations and indemnities. We publish the secret protocols. Later, your ambassador will kill, hehe».

Ludendorf darkens: "This is not enough. How you are not careful, agent! By all means the factory workers, the land - the peasants. And take on the elimination of illiteracy. Also your homelessness worries us a lot. We give you your best agent, he is a Pole. Let him create this ... Cheka. By the way, at the same time, he will not allow your graphs and princes to export valuables to us abroad. We will instruct him. Pass through the mansions, search for safes. They are there pictures, gold ponapryat export nemeryannom. We do not need someone else, nowhere to put our own».

Lenin: "Too much for a sealed wagon, eh? About illiteracy and homelessness was not a bazaar. Also order free medicine to enter. Would add».

Ludendorff's gaze makes it clear that he is now dictating the conditions.
Lenin fussily (they would not change their mind to give a sealed carriage) hides an impressive list and with a small step walks away. "The lip is no fool of this imperialist.- he thinks. - We would just pick up loans, send kids to the sorbonna, and this how many things were dictated!»

Then Lenin and other owners had to get around. Every climb to him with his.

The Americans and the Japanese demanded that they be thrown out of the Far East.

The British got tired of sucking oil in the South Caucasus and exporting ore from the Russian north-west.

The Rothschilds with the Rockefellers, smiling poisonously, were advised not to pay them back.
In general, all creditors begged the Bolsheviks to throw them for money.

More fiercely than others behaved the French. Writing down their assignments, Lenin hunched, groaned and scratched his bald head. At some point, he wanted to abandon the trip to Russia altogether. Imagine: the frogs obliged the Bolsheviks to defeat Kolchak's army, return the gold reserves, join the Ukraine, repel Poland’s aggression.

And when the Civil is almost over (Lenin is amazed: "Is it not all?" - His: "You write down the questions here we ask") Foreign intelligence agents will have to complete a small but responsible mission.

Leaving ungrateful Russia, Lenin was warned, her benefactors would try to leave a thorn in her ass, namely the traitor Wrangel in Crimea. "You have to knock this nits, our hirelings, from the peninsula- dryly told Lenin. - Take the Crimea itself. He us unnecessarily. Here is our small but responsible assignment.».

So the claw of the corrupt Bolsheviks is stuck. The appetites of the English-French and the Rothschild-Rockefellers grew and grew. Their agents had to create defense industries, to acquire an atomic bomb, to fly into space. Gagarin in space, by the way, the Rothschilds were sent - it was a pity they sent their American. It is strange that Starikov is not up to such a thing. But he has time to improve.

The main thing is not a word of conspiracy. The above are just the facts! The stream of convincing facts of the corruption of Lenin, Trotsky and the company. They completed all the tasks of their owners, worked sealed wagon.

You will know the tree by its fruits. Give us more Bondarchuk-Parvus, Mironov-Lenin and Habensky-Trotsky. We will believe that these clowns shook the world once!
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 27 November 2017 07: 20 New
    +5
    ... I believe that in the article the personal opinion of the author ... everyone has the right to, but you won’t turn the story AGAIN, no matter how you twist it - neither in films nor in articles ... but they can defame - ... sad
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 November 2017 08: 27 New
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      The actors have nothing to do with it - they are ordinary lyceum and will play anyone for food! How to play - this is another question. They are directed by directors, screenwriters, producers ...- in this creative environment, unfortunately, we have 90% of the most selective Mr. ... and with concentration! After their "talented" vysers, who have captivated all the media and TV, Kolya from Urengoy appears in large numbers among young people ... There is nothing much to be surprised at!
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 27 November 2017 08: 42 New
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        Hi! hi Hear the voice of reason from the opposite camp ?! good
        And then from the high stands and through all channels they will hail kaklov because they have a Lenin fall. Yes, what's ours better? The substitution of historical facts for the gobelsyatina of pure water is what happens

        The author +100500 cool annealed!


        1. Finches
          Finches 27 November 2017 08: 51 New
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          I have never been to the opposite camp! Our argument with you came down to the fact that I am against any shocks, since today no revolution is possible or even harmful! The current political regime with GDP is the best that can be at the moment ... And in general, from the theory - a revolution is impossible without the broad participation of the masses - and the socialist idea has no support for the masses today! And that means there’s nothing to shake the air - you need to evolve within the framework of the model chosen today - other ways, I repeat, today, for Russia does not exist! Rather, they exist, but they are all destructive, nowhere! hi
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 27 November 2017 09: 01 New
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            Quote: Finches
            but the socialist idea has no support for the broad masses today!

            But this is a lie! The overwhelming majority of the population supports socialist ideology, they simply try to find people stupefied by propaganda in PvP, something that is not in it and never was. With it, building a social state is not possible in principle.
            The same sub-concept and manipulation of public opinion is valid.
            on the one hand, the "right" words, and on the other, a consistent continuation of the Eltsin’s course.
            Quote: Finches
            I repeat, it is today, for Russia do not exist

            There will be another day there will be food.
            Quote: Finches
            Rather, they exist, but they are all destructive!

            Even more destructive for the Fatherland is the continuation of the current political and economic course.

            Threat
            Quote: Finches
            Our dispute came down to the fact that I am against any shocks

            Duc shocks no one wants. hi
            1. Finches
              Finches 27 November 2017 09: 11 New
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              This is our disagreement - I will support exactly the current course and specifically the GDP, I’m even ready to subscribe to his reign to the grave ..., he, for all the shortcomings and contradictions, is a man of state mentality for the good of Russia, but how then things will go, I don’t want to make any plans - indeed, there will be a day, there will be food! And in vain you hope for a miracle that with the coming to power of true communists, whom even the Communist Party did not even have, people's happiness will immediately come - devastation, famine, civil war and foreign intervention! Therefore, it’s better not to experiment! Time must pass and must people mature under this idea! We need a real leading and guiding political force - Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the present format are absolutely not suitable for this role! hi
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 27 November 2017 10: 14 New
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                man of state mindset
                Sorry to interfere in your dialogue, but about statehood from GDP you are very mistaken. Yesterday I was strenuously argued that the import of nuclear waste is good for Russia ..
                anti-Russian education, recall Mannerheim and the Coke boy, there are many.
                Where are the plants and factories? Who is stopping the introduction of financial institutions in Crimea?
                Putin has repeatedly stated that he is a liberal, and a liberal cannot be a statesman.
                1. Finches
                  Finches 27 November 2017 10: 17 New
                  +8
                  I compare actions, changes, deeds and compare them with his predecessors - really liberals: Gorbachev and Yeltsin! I compare with the situation in Ukraine and for me personally this comparison is in his favor! hi
                  1. MrK
                    27 November 2017 11: 53 New
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                    Quote: Finches
                    I compare with his predecessors - really liberals: Gorbachev and Yeltsin!


                    Why can't you compare it with Stalin? Why do you compare with USh.le.pkami?
                    1. Finches
                      Finches 27 November 2017 11: 57 New
                      +9
                      And under Stalin, I did not live - this is first! Secondly - two completely different world order: then and now ... And thirdly - on you! hi
                      1. MrK
                        27 November 2017 12: 12 New
                        +8
                        Quote: Finches
                        And thirdly - on you!


                        Oh, forgive your high nobility, a simple Russian peasant who addressed you to the tsar.
                        And if you didn’t live under Stalin, then at least read it. All this on the shelves is laid out in the book of Alexander Kurlandchik
                        "CURSED" SOVIET AUTHORITY ..., on Proza.ru
                        Sorry again, Your High Honor.
                    2. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 27 November 2017 19: 23 New
                      +3
                      Quote: mrark
                      Why can't you compare it with Stalin?

                      Can you resurrect him? When?
                2. Kent0001
                  Kent0001 28 November 2017 15: 57 New
                  +2
                  The last time in my head about the same thoughts. Previously thought differently. But about the situation in the country and foreign policy, more and more doubts arise, and from the look of Medvedev just ....., but you understand.
              2. E_V_N
                E_V_N 27 November 2017 13: 58 New
                +6
                Quote: Finches
                I will support exactly the current course and specifically the GDP, I’m even ready to subscribe to his reign to the grave ..., he, for all the shortcomings and contradictions, is a man of state mentality for the good of Russia

                Fortunately for Russia, this is the construction of a self-sufficient social state, and not at all a “solution to all kinds of world problems,” but there are just big problems with this. Domestic politics is sacrificed to the external and the gap is not observed.
                Quote: Finches
                A real guiding and guiding political force is needed - Zyuganov and the Communist Party of the present format are absolutely not suitable for this role! hi

                Unfortunately, you are right here, but it’s not the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, the political field in Russia has been so meticulously cleansed that there is no political power at all, neither from the left nor from the middle. The so-called political parties, in fact, are not.
            2. Basil50
              Basil50 27 November 2017 09: 29 New
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              It turns out interestingly.
              In RUSSIA, officially, politicians and those who serve them on radio and TV around the clock poured mud and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin and Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin while living in a country that * collected * Bolsheviks and defended in the Civil War from the invaders and their lackeys, built SOVIETSKY and again defended themselves already from the Nazis and rebuilt the country again.
              The current * rulers * and their lackeys from * show business * show us their disrespect for those events. Apparently they hope for a very secondary education of youth. The next step will be the cooling of the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR. Attempts to justify * European integrators * are not rare among figures from culture and other clowns, figures from * ministry image * also joined.
              What is the first movie advertised that claims to be * the truth-womb *? And how many were there already?
              And so it comes to understanding why the actors under * the tsarist regime * were restricted in their rights and not buried with people.
              1. bober1982
                bober1982 27 November 2017 09: 38 New
                +7
                Quote: Vasily50
                And so it comes to understanding why the actors under * the tsarist regime * were restricted in their rights and not buried with people.

                Not buried with people, - they buried behind a cemetery (church) fence. The question in the acting environment - where will we grumble? Was always relevant for them and independent of the authorities, whether it be the tsarist, Soviet, or the current government.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 27 November 2017 09: 52 New
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                Quote: Vasily50
                The next step will be the cooling of the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR.

                Comrade, they will not do this, because they have already privatized the Victory, having mutilated the true meaning of the Victory.
                That is, the victories of the Soviet people and the Socialist state over Nazi Germany. Hence the "depersonalized" Parade on November 7th, diligently dying out the true motive of this Parade in honor of the 24th anniversary of the Great Socialist October Revolution!
                The drapery of the Lenin Mausoleum on May 9th is from the same "opera".
                As soon as the last front-line soldiers leave us, the bacchanalia will take on a monstrous character, the boy Kolenka is the “first swallow”.
                They argue this way: "you need Victory, here, only without commies, Soviet power, without shouting" For the Motherland, For Stalin, "without the banner of Victory with Soviet symbols, without the Pioneers-Heroes, without the Mausoleum, and of course without the Chairman of the GKO, but with "bloody gebnya", with "heroic zk from penal battalions" and so on and so forth.
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 27 November 2017 09: 59 New
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                  Quote: Stroporez
                  For motherland for Stalin"

                  Yeah ... when I told my grandfather, I almost snatched it ...
                  Grandfather fought where Colonel Brezhnev was promoting laughing
                  The signalman was, mine hit the hip ... and died.
                  And then some ... in the letter "y" are engaged in garbage ...
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  bacchanalia will take a monstrous character

                  Yes, there is already everything. And you are part of this ... channel, yeah
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 27 November 2017 18: 53 New
                    +3
                    different grandfathers were ... one of mine said that they shouted for Stalin .. but often it happened that they shouted and obscenities .. he fought where the field marshal was taken prisoner ... and there were those who shouted Heil Hitler ... so that's it - It was..
                  2. albert
                    albert 27 November 2017 21: 11 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Golovan Jack
                    Grandfather fought where Colonel Brezhnev was promoting

                    Brezhnev actually didn’t PR, but really fought. And he got a splinter in his throat. In addition, after the war he successfully drove Bandera snakes in Western Ukraine. First, study the military biography of Leonid Ilyich before writing this. negative
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 28 November 2017 00: 06 New
                      +4
                      Quote: albert
                      Brezhnev actually did not PR, but really fought.

                      And this is a fact, Comrade!
                    2. Golovan Jack
                      Golovan Jack 8 December 2017 07: 18 New
                      +7
                      Quote: albert
                      Study the military biography of Leonid Ilyich first before writing this.

                      I’ve studied it at school, you see.
                      According to the books "Small Earth", "Tselina" and "Renaissance".
                      So it’s quite to yourself in curses that this biography is carefully smoothed and retouched.
                      Unlike the biography of my grandfather ... and father and mother, who raised this very virgin soil.
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              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 27 November 2017 10: 36 New
                +7
                Quote: vlad007
                Social ideology is impossible without the Communist Party. What do you think?

                The fact is that social. ideology exists outside parties, it is in the common sense a sense of justice and the attitude of the state to society.
                Although, of course, the party is a conductor of social. ideals to the masses, but here we must already concretize the Marxist-Leninist ideology.
            4. Rey_ka
              Rey_ka 27 November 2017 10: 47 New
              +4
              But this is a lie! The overwhelming majority of the population supports socialist ideology,

              What then for the preservation of the USSR, no one went to the barricades?
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 27 November 2017 10: 55 New
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                Quote: Rey_ka
                What then for the preservation of the USSR, no one went to the barricades?

                And what did someone announce his dissolution? The people did not understand a fig!
                And the humpback for the new year renounced, everything was thought out to the smallest detail. To all, no one could have imagined that the people would be led "into a net capitalist future." We came back to 93rd, everything could be decided in our favor, but .....
                In general, it is not yet evening.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 27 November 2017 11: 55 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Woke up in the 93rd, everything could be decided in our favor, but ....

                  Nobody in 1993 didn't wake up, on CNN looked indifferently at the tank shooting.
            5. turbris
              turbris 27 November 2017 16: 00 New
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              The overwhelming majority of the population supports socialist ideology,

              Can someone explain what this ideology is today, especially since the majority of the population supports it? Is it written about building a socialist camp? There that everything belongs to the people is registered, but only under the Union I did not even own an apartment, and what else? Yes, in general, nothing ......
            6. your1970
              your1970 30 November 2017 13: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              But this is a lie! The overwhelming majority of the population supports socialist ideology, they simply try to find people stupefied by propaganda in PvP, something that is not in it and never was. With it, building a social state is not possible in principle.
              - the vast majority of the population simply forgot what happened in history once. That after 1917 came 1918 and times "war communism".... ANY wiggle of a revolutionary style with us will lead to the fact that the oligarchs / capitals run and the banking system starts to fall. This is precisely what led to the collapse of the economy in 1918 - normal cash flow ceased. And then it was much more difficult to take out the capital — than now. Now in the era of electronic money - everything is simpler, the moves / exits are known to all large moneybags. We practically were in a situation of "war communism" in the 90s, when barter was popped ...

              Exactly the same thing is happening now in Ukraine - only here it is is needed for the presence of a splinter in the back of Russia, so they don’t let her drown at all (moreover, in violation of her own rules, politics !!). With us it will be exactly the opposite ...
          2. To be or not to be
            To be or not to be 27 November 2017 11: 31 New
            +1
            But what about the law of the dialectic of Marxism - the transition of the accumulated quantitative changes to a new quality .. laughing
            “Changing the quality of an object under the influence of accumulated contradictions and increasing tension is always a revolutionary process, and it happens instantly. For a revolution, even with a little tension, a small push is enough - a micro crisis.
            The evolutionary process is gradual, with it there is an accumulation of changes in the object, not changing its essence, but reducing tension. Sooner or later, the number of these changes will cause a change in the essence of the object and its transition to a new qualitative state abruptly. A spasmodic transition only means that the transition occurs without intermediate states, but not necessarily instantly. Revolutionary and evolutionary processes are intertwined, and the general process of development and transition of the system into new qualitative states consists of them.
            Using the law on the transition of quantity into quality makes it possible to calculate both tension and the number of accumulated changes and to calculate with a high degree of probability future events and revolutions and evolution. ""
            At present, Russia needs air as stability and an evolutionary transition to a new quality
            Why stability. Internally, the contradictions are significant between labor and capital, but not revolutionary * and the lower classes can live the old and the upper rule the old_) They can and should be changed evolutionarily .. Oligarchic capitalism — a path to nowhere — into the abyss of the state and nonexistence .. Russia is trying to drive from the international system. . . isolate and disintegrate into separate subsystems (states - nothing new - see Yugoslavia) with strong external influence and reliance on 5 -6 -7 -8 columns in Russia itself in its various regions (the Center of struggle from the capital has moved to the regions. as highly industrialized . which is already serious, for example, the Sverdlovsk region). as well as other less developed areas. e.g. Khakassia))
            Stability is needed to counter this external threat, save the country and build another economy. Without a strong economy, there will not be Russia.
          3. E_V_N
            E_V_N 27 November 2017 13: 50 New
            +7
            Quote: Finches
            The current political regime with GDP is the best that can be at the moment ...

            Now the current regime is stagnation as in the late Brezhnev era. It seems to be tolerant, but unsolvable contradictions will lead to an explosion, and not evolutionary development. And any upheaval in Russia is always millions of dead (dead as under Yeltsin)
          4. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 16: 35 New
            +2
            Dear Zyablintsev. If they had thought the same in 1917, there would have been no revolution. However, maybe people were more passionate, or maybe the stars have developed like that, now it doesn’t matter. It is important that they tried and were able to implement.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 27 November 2017 19: 09 New
              +2
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              However, maybe people were more passionate

              The king was passive! laughing
          5. Veter_73
            Veter_73 2 December 2017 12: 41 New
            0
            The current regime is a long mortification of Russia. Remember here once wrote about the frog jam? Now this is happening in our country. Sometimes make control forwarding, as with a tablet Mannerheim or with the mausoleum of V.I. Lenin. So, I propose making a choice, in favor of the candidate from the left forces, Pavel Grudinin.
      2. alekc73
        alekc73 27 November 2017 15: 09 New
        +1
        You are right. The communists are democrats, patriots, and so on. They are ready for the lousy and vile lyceum. They were buried separately in the Middle Ages. It’s clear why.
    2. SOF
      SOF 27 November 2017 09: 58 New
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      The clover is full of juices, the wind blows across the field,
      And a raven circling over the fields, without ceasing.
      Clover will throw in a manger, grandfather will grumble timidly,
      White chop red, red chop white.
      The world is far, far visible in the narrow windows,
      Russians chop Russians, Russians chop Russians.
      The world is far, far visible in the narrow windows,
      Russians ... chop Russians.
      Grandfather, and for what they fought, that did not sit in the huts.
      These - so that there are no poor, those - so that there are no rich.

      Russians chop Russians, Russians chop Russians.

      White cut red, red cut white
      The sun rises clearly, many ripe cherries.
      Cossacks are waiting for the Cossacks, but they have wine in store.
      And neither the rich nor the poor, but they are waiting for loved ones.
      You are my grandfather, dear grandfather, it’s hot, let's go swimming.
      Tell me the truth, is there something for me to fight for?

      The world is far, far visible in the narrow windows,
      Russians chop Russians, Russians chop Russians.
      The world is far, far visible in the narrow windows,
      Russians ... chop Russians.

      ... men ..... maybe enough?
      Everything is the same for me, I don’t see the difference between: Nevsky, Donskoy, Peter the Great, Suvorov, Ushakov, Nakhimov, Kutuzov, Potemkin, Orlov, Ivan the Terrible, Ermak, Brusilov, Malinovsky, Zhukov, Rokossovsky, Tukhachevsky, Blucher Lenin and many many by others ...
      If they did not ghouls and did not sell their homeland, but on the contrary, blood was shed for it in the war with foreigners, then for me all of them are the GLORIOUS history of the MOTHERLAND.
      ... there was a civil war, understand? The brother of the brother was killed, the son of the father, and the father of the son .........
      This should never happen again.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 27 November 2017 10: 38 New
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        what a sofa what a joke
        The idiocy of the moment is that they put on the same level both white and RED. Today, the RED ARMY and the Nazis are already on the same level. Are you stunned and do not see the difference? More than 80% of the population in the RUSSIAN EMPIRE lived on the brink of survival, and the fact that they did not want to put up with more backbones put them at fault. The fact that they destroyed the noble and kulak lackeys who are ready for all this money is right and justified.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 27 November 2017 11: 33 New
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          Data from the Russia 1913 reference book:
          The average wage of workers in European Russia for all production groups in 1913 was 264 rubles per year.
          The fee for a carpenter for one day of work in Moscow in 1913 was 175 kopecks. With this money he could buy:
          - wheat flour, grade I, cereal - 10,3 kg
          or - sifted wheat grain flour - 11 kg
          or - beef, I grade - 3 kg
          or - granulated sugar - 6 kg
          or - fresh bream - 3 kg
          or - sunflower - 6,1 kg
          or - coal (Donetsk) - 72,9 kg
          Salaries of junior officers amounted to 660-1260 rubles per year, senior - 1740-3900, generals - up to 7800. In addition, apartment money was paid: 70-250, 150-600 and 300-2000 rubles, respectively.

          Zemstvo doctors received 1200-1500 rubles a year, pharmacists - an average of 667,2 rubles. University professors received at least 2000 rubles a year, and an average of 3000-5000 rubles; secondary school teachers with higher education earned from 900 to 2500 rubles (with experience of 20 years), without higher education - 750-1550 rubles. The directors of the gymnasium received 3000-4000 rubles, of real schools - 5200 rubles.
          “The well-being of the population and the revolution in imperial Russia”: how many times did the incomes of 10% of the most affluent people exceed the incomes of 10% of the least affluent in 1901-04. The difference was small: only 5,8 times.
          Now- 2014 Credit Suisse Global Wealth Report
          According to the report, 111 Russian billionaires control 19% of the country's wealth. According to Credit Suisse, the level of inequality in Russia is "significantly higher than in any other major global economy."
          According to the report, 84,8% of the country's wealth is controlled by only 10% of the people.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 12: 11 New
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            Overlock Today, 11:33 PM ↑
            Data from the Russia 1913 reference book:
            “The well-being of the population and the revolution in imperial Russia”: how many times did the incomes of 10% of the most affluent people exceed the incomes of 10% of the least affluent in 1901-04. The difference was small: only 5,8 times.
            Ta vi sho? Just 5,8 times? Just like that, I see how the worker of the Putilov plant receives a salary of, say, 10 rubles, and the owner of this plant earns only 58 rubles a month ... laughing
            Himself is not disgusted to carry this bullshit?
            I do not like “pequidia,” but especially for you, the data on the 1902 strike in Rostov-on-Don:
            In October 1902, the Don Committee of the RSDLP addressed the workers with a leaflet “To All Workers of the Main Workshops of the Vladikavkaz Road”:

            “For many years, day after day, like convicts chained to a wheelbarrow in chains, we stand at our machines. The sun sometimes peers through gloomy windows into gloomy workshops, and its pure light weakens from smoke and soot ... But among this gray, hopeless life, comrades, among the eternal hard labor like a star, the hope flickers before us that truth and truth will triumph. that the day will come when we will breathe free breasts and exclaim loudly: “Long live freedom! ..” But this freedom will not come to us itself, will not come down from heaven. In a fierce battle, we must conquer it ... Comrades! Remember that we have a great struggle for our liberation! Remember that this struggle requires courageous people who can boldly and steadfastly defend their rights, their honor, their dignity ... Go ahead, comrades, to the struggle! Long live the strike! .. Long live freedom! .. ”

            - From the leaflet "To all workers of the Main workshops of the Vladikavkaz road" [2]

            The situation was also aggravated by excessively stringent requirements for workers, among whom were also women and children:

            “Work at the factory begins from August 1 to May 1 daily from 8 a.m. and lasts until 8 p.m. inclusively, with a break for lunch from 12 p.m. to 1 p.m. and for noon from 3 p.m. to 3.30 p.m.; from May 1 to August 1 - from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m., with a break for lunch from 12 to 2 p.m. and for a noon from 4 p.m. to 4.30 p.m. ... "

            - From the rules at the Asmolov tobacco factory [3]

            The last straw was that the master Vitskevich counted the workers of the boiler shop. When the workers demanded a salary, Vitskevich rudely drove them away [2]. November 2, work in the workshop stopped ... [2] [4]

            From beautiful people lived something, right? laughing laughing laughing And Choi then with such a well-fed life pulled a strike? Apparently from not to hell? laughing
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 25 New
              +3
              forgot Lena executions and much more. Behind the statistics of the big, the particulars always disappear. as today. The average salary is growing, but not at all.
              Who wrote leaflets? Leninist?
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 12: 33 New
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                Overlock Today, 12:25 PM ↑
                forgot Lena executions and much more.
                Oh, dear mother, but do not want to remember about Kolchak’s atrocities? Or were all the whites straight white and fluffy? The whole trouble with your reasoning is that you completely deny cause and effect relationships and consider history from the point of view of modernity. But we must understand that the red terror did not arise from scratch, but in response to the most severe white terror. It must be understood that the Bolsheviks did not unleash a civil war. That it was the whites, not the reds, who were invited to our territory to intervene, who burned them enough, raped and killed.
                And we will never have reconciliation with us, because we cannot be reconciled with the murderers of our people. People like you, “knees from Urengoy,” are ready to reconcile themselves with the Nazis. Flag in hand, but without me!
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 41 New
                  +6
                  it's not about that! it's about that. that everyone was very skilled in their atrocities. If you whitewash the reds. then what are they better than white? Or vice versa! One must face the truth, even if it is not very pleasant.
                  And then.
                  Only a stupid person can put on one level the Civil War with Hitler's attack on our country.
                  1. Monarchist
                    Monarchist 27 November 2017 17: 05 New
                    +1
                    Our Vadim Smirnov also says about this, that white, that red, we are all children of the same MOTHER OF RUSSIA. Nashag disagreement is only in the hands of the witches
                2. wax
                  wax 27 November 2017 21: 42 New
                  +3
                  Golubchik Varyag_0711, answering Overlock, you confused when reading the Lena executions (1912) with Lenin's (apparently) (which there never was, the white terror responded to the white terror).
              2. Veter_73
                Veter_73 2 December 2017 12: 50 New
                0
                And you, dear, forgot October 1993.
          2. wax
            wax 27 November 2017 21: 36 New
            +5
            I will not say anything about the current system, I’ll leave the previous one alone, but about the pre-revolutionary one I will add a link to L.N. Tolstoy, whom no one can suspect of politicking or unscrupulousness http://modernlib.ru/books/tolstoy_lev_nikolaevich
            / rabstvo_nashego_vremeni / read /
            The article "Slavery of our time"
            ..on the Moscow-Kazan railway - 250 people. All of them are divided into batches of 5 people and work separately, receiving 1 ruble and 1 ruble 15 kopecks per 1000 pounds of loaded or unloaded goods. They come in the morning, work day and night at unloading, and immediately at the end of the night, in the morning, they go to work and work another day, so they sleep one night for two days. Their job is to dump and drag bales of 7, 8 and up to 10 pounds. Two are piled on the backs of the other three, and they are worn. They earn such work on their grub less than a ruble a day. They work constantly, without holidays.
            1. wax
              wax 27 November 2017 21: 55 New
              +6
              Against the house in which I live is a silk factory, arranged according to the latest advanced techniques. About 3000 women and 700 men work and live in it. Now, sitting at home, I hear the constant roar of cars and I know, because I was there, what this roar means. 3000 women stand for 12 hours above the looms among the deafening noise, shaking, unwinding, skipping silk threads for the production of silk materials.

              All the same Leo Tolstoy, all the same article "Slavery of our time"
              and further
              So over the course of 20 years, as I know it, tens of thousands of young, healthy women mothers have been destroying and now continue to ruin their lives and the lives of their children in order to make velvet and silk fabrics. Yesterday I met a poor young man, on crutches, with a powerful build and a curved camp. He worked in wheelbarrows, broke and damaged his insides. He treated what he had with his grandmothers and doctors and is now 8 years old without a shelter, asking for alms and complaining to God that he would not send him death.


              I know at the Tula iron foundry of workers at the blast furnaces, who, in order to have one out of two Sundays, having worked the day, stay overnight and work 24 hours in a row. I saw these workers. They all drink wine to maintain their energy, and, obviously, just like these movers on the railroad, they quickly spend not the interest, but the capital of their lives.


              Is it true that the workers lived beautifully in tsarist Russia?
              That is why the Civil War was so cruel.
        2. SOF
          SOF 27 November 2017 12: 04 New
          +4
          .... eechhhh ... Slavs ....
          ... I’m not putting anyone anywhere. I just wanted to say that we poured enough blood to each other. Everyone had a snout in fluff. One myrrh oiled. Until we find a common language, every flea from abroad will bite us.
          One hundred (100 !!!) years have passed, and we all continue to blame the mirror .....................
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 27 November 2017 12: 35 New
            +9
            software
            Well, what are you for ....
            In one * world oiled *. A fist giving his fellow villagers a loan at 300% and a laborer? Emperor's uncle fattening due to the fleet and sailor? A peasant and lordly lackey who smashed the peasants?
            Apparently they don’t reach such people, they don’t want to think, only emotions. Why should the tears of the nobles be understood by the peasants due to whom they * lived thinly felt * and * experienced a lot *? How centuries of the slave trade, when children were sold and families were separated, but a lot of things. And the constant hunger and quarantines of starving counties-provinces?
            1. SOF
              SOF 27 November 2017 13: 22 New
              +3
              In one * world oiled *.

              ...exactly. Before knocking, read carefully what I mean.
              ... to me in parallel who and what was to blame. That was 100 years ago. This is history. Bad, good, but a story. I'm talking about spilled, dear, blood.
              ... that's enough.
              Stay with your opinion. hi
        3. Monarchist
          Monarchist 27 November 2017 17: 21 New
          +5
          Vasily, and the SOF didn’t put the Red Army and the Nazis on the same level. If you remembered "Kolya from Urengoy" his words are regarded as accelerated nonsense!
          Everyone knows that the foundation of personality development begins in the family. Okay, Kolya is a result of the Unified State Examination, but his parents then studied at the NORMAL SCHOOL!
        4. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 27 November 2017 19: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: Vasily50
          Today, the RED ARMY and the Nazis are already on the same level. Are you stunned and do not see the difference?

          Vasily - do you see her? Compare white (but still Russian) and the Nazis (foreign invaders) - is that correct in your opinion?
          Quote: Vasily50
          The fact that they destroyed the noble and kulak lackeys

          My grandfather is dispossessed. We lived near Mogilev, the family was big. Worked from dawn to dusk. We lived not poorly, BUT OWN WORK. After the revolution, village drunks became proletarians and walked around the yards, revealing kulaks. Grandma is the same from dispossessed. They sent as a child to the Urals. Because they lived their work.
          Stop thinking with dogmas. hi
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 27 November 2017 18: 21 New
        0
        Subscribe! And the poems are good! Whose?
        1. SOF
          SOF 27 November 2017 23: 50 New
          +1
          Lube it. Rastorguev. It’s called: “Russians chop Russians”
          Listen, it’s not going out without a coma in my throat.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 27 November 2017 07: 22 New
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    Well said !
    And who slipped the GOERLO plan? Really arrogant Saxons? And they themselves are still stoking coal stoves in London, nits!
  3. Same lech
    Same lech 27 November 2017 07: 42 New
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    Khabensky-Trotsky-Kolchak


    You look at KOLCHAK in the role of Khabensky, well, just a darling ... but meanwhile in my Novonikolaevsk (Novosibirsk)
    In the city and its environs, a huge number of civilians who were shot and torn to pieces by Kolchakites and captured Red Army soldiers were discovered. The White Guards brutally chopped up political prisoners with checkers. The bodies were so disfigured that out of 104, only 37 were identified.

    The members of the Revolutionary Committee, the commanders of the Red Army decided to show these atrocities of the English mission, located at Kolchak and captured. The sight was not for the faint of heart. “The nerves of one of the representatives of the English mission could not stand it, and he fell to the ground in a sheaf. Another colleague threw himself into the snow, began to grab him in handfuls and put it on his head. The rest fled to the nearest hut and asked for water. ”
    Something is constantly being manipulated with history, changing something in it. Adding. Removing ... with the coming to power of people of different views ... you can’t do this ... like it or not.
    1. user
      user 27 November 2017 08: 09 New
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      You look at KOLCHAK in the role of Khabensky, well, just darling ..


      And in the Krasnoyarsk Territory, not far from Kansk, a monument to the admiral, in the form of a well, is called the TORTURE WELL. A little man dipped there and lifted into the air, and there, Evenkia nearby, therefore, is covered with ice in a swoop, and again it is dipped in a well and in the air they will let it hang again, though head down and again it is covered with ice, and whoever has been in those places will not let it lie - very quickly , this is not for you at Wrangel in Crimea.

      These are the heroes imposed on us and what is interesting for state money.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 27 November 2017 08: 14 New
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        And what is surprising ... after all this, prospectus appeared in modern Novosibirsk Kolchak. what common sense wonders and more.
        1. Moore
          Moore 27 November 2017 08: 46 New
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          Let's clarify: the "prospectus" is not in Novosibirsk, but in the summer cottage nonprofit partnership "Ratnik". It is adjacent to the "prospectus" of Marshal Zhukov.
          Simply put, some (we know, but we will not name names) "lovers" of history decided to anneal, for their hand is the lord.
          About the same thing is observed in Omsk:

          And the leader in Siberia is Irkutsk:

          Not quite on the topic. I wondered where, after 70 years of Soviet power and the most brutal, according to liberals, Stalinist “purges,” now all sorts of “monarchists,” “White Guards,” and other Bulk-crunches have come up with us ?? I did not find the final answer ...
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 27 November 2017 09: 17 New
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            Quote: Moore
            I did not find the final answer ...

            He will not be. There are many reasons and reasons. But, as my first master used to say almost half a century ago: "Tell a man a hundred times that he is a pig, he will grunt for a hundred and first." The most striking and successful example of "reformat" attitude towards us in Ukraine.
            He specially re-read A Tolstoy’s Walking Through the Pain before the widely publicized screening of the film of the same name. For some reason, it seems again there will be a "special vision by the director" of the work of art.
            1. your1970
              your1970 30 November 2017 13: 28 New
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              Quote: Was Mammoth
              Specially re-read A Tolstoy’s Walking in Pain
              - already ....... reduced everything to love, until today the feeling is that you are watching a love series on "Home" or "Russian series"
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 27 November 2017 10: 23 New
            +8
            where, after 70 years of Soviet power and the most brutal, according to liberals, Stalinist "purges", now we have all sorts of "monarchists", "White Guards" and other Bulk-crunches
            By the way, yes, I’m also racking my brains over what kind of new nobles fell on us.
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      2. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 27 November 2017 10: 45 New
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        Quote: user
        These are the heroes imposed on us and what is interesting for state money.

        But isn't the state doing all this? wink
        Do not spit in any dirty trick - everywhere the fetid trace of edrosny. The guys seem ready to do everything to legitimize and justify post-perestroika theft, and to legitimize and consolidate its results. Therefore, creatures and defame both Lenin and Stalin and the results of the Second World War, etc.
    2. Finches
      Finches 27 November 2017 08: 33 New
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      Now the Monarchists, the Teterina’s lieutenants and Mr. Olgovich ..., other grown up Kolya from Urengoy, who are numerous in VO and with foam at the mouth, will prove to all of us that all this is a slap to the holy admiral and Kolchak - a true hero and savior of Russia, a favorite of the simple people insidiously killed by the Bolsheviks ...
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 27 November 2017 08: 58 New
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        Quote: Finches
        insidiously killed by the Bolsheviks ...
        ..and treacherously eaten by fish in the Angara, under the ice of which some godless Bolsheviks lowered the highly spiritual Admiral.
        1. Finches
          Finches 27 November 2017 09: 01 New
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          What a horror! It is urgent to rename the Angara so that its name does not hurt the lovers of French rolls - the true "patriots" of Russia! laughing
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 27 November 2017 09: 05 New
            +8
            To the Admiralk? Or to Kolchashka? laughing
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 27 November 2017 09: 03 New
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        Quote: Finches
        Now the Monarchists, the Teterina’s lieutenants and Mr. Olgovich ..., other grown up Kolya from Urengoy, who are numerous in VO and with foam at the mouth, will prove to all of us that all this is a slap to the holy admiral and Kolchak - a true hero and savior of Russia, a favorite of the simple people insidiously killed by the Bolsheviks ...

        Excellent comment! +++++++
      3. parusnik
        parusnik 27 November 2017 09: 11 New
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        Now the Monarchists, the guarantors of Teterina and Mr. Olgovich will come.
        ... And you noticed that these persons did not appear during the discussion of "those of Kolya’s boy ...." They were afraid to say too much ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 27 November 2017 09: 13 New
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          As they say in their circles - they are consolidating ... laughing
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 November 2017 09: 22 New
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          Quote: parusnik
          ..And you noticed that these persons did not appear when discussing "the topic of Kolya’s boy .... They were afraid to say too much ...

          They just had nothing to say!
          Now the Bolsheviks and the “bloody” Bolsheviks will appear and begin to whine, and there will certainly be “but the grandfather / grandmother for three spikelets” was shot three times, and then drove to build the Belomor channel, and then shot again.
        3. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 27 November 2017 10: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: parusnik
          Now the Monarchists, the guarantors of Teterina and Mr. Olgovich will come.
          ... And you noticed that these persons did not appear during the discussion of "those of Kolya’s boy ...." They were afraid to say too much ...

          Why should they be afraid? Probably relish, re-read or watch the stories, rejoice ...
          Well, here I think Olgovich used to be Alexander. For some time they existed simultaneously, and then one remained. And suddenly he recently recalled the situation under a different nickname ..... It is a pity, time has passed, but it is necessary to observe.
      4. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 09: 33 New
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        Eugene, hi absolutely agree! It was with the substitution of the Soviet past that it all began. First, it was necessary to prove that it was the Great October Socialist Revolution that was universal evil, and all who did it were bloody criminals. And this means that their regime is bloody, and therefore ALL that is done with them is bad, disgusting and disgusting. Well, then down the chain. Since everything Lenin has done is bad, then the USSR was originally a fiend of hell. Well, like a cherry on the cake, the fact that the Stalinist regime is even worse than the Hitler regime. That's it, amba arrived. And then Kolya’s boy enters the stage and begins to repent publicly for “the so-called Stalingrad cauldron”. Now you can safely demand reparations from Russia and complete repentance for the fact that they destroyed the "peaceful" fascists, well, those "who did not want to fight," but simply arrived in Stalingrad on an excursion. Well, and to them, as is usual in wild and barbaric Russia, instead of a guided tour along the Volga embankments in embrace with Russian girls, in the face and even with the butt. Not tolerant of how it happened, not like in Paris on Montmartre.

        All, I repeat ALL of our local bakeries, is none other than the same national traitors as this boy, Kolya. These are links of one chain and they work for one goal, the collapse of Russia from the inside. In the United States, they are not fools, and they figured out, since it happened to do this with the USSR, then why not do the same with the Russian Federation. Why fight with us? It is expensive and not effective, but a donkey loaded with gold has never yet failed them.
      5. Monarchist
        Monarchist 27 November 2017 16: 36 New
        +4
        Zablitsev, I must disappoint you: 1 Kolya from Urengoy - a child of librarians who are disgusted by Great Russia. And if you believe that “Koli” appeared only thanks to the Unified State Examination, you will disappoint again: in the seventies questioning of applicants to Moscow universities was conducted and someone “smart” wrote: “Chapaev was a literary character or he fought him white times” (this was in the journal "Literature at School") 2 I am not the Holy Synod to comb someone to the faces of saints.
        1. Finches
          Finches 27 November 2017 21: 14 New
          +4
          I really hope that you are a patriot of Russia without any quotes, only standing in your White Guard positions - but not in the positions of General Krasnov, but in the position of General Denikin ... If this is so, then a dialogue with you is possible! I have the honor!
      6. gavrila2984
        gavrila2984 27 November 2017 16: 36 New
        +4
        I'm waiting for someone to come up with a proposal to canonize Kolchak, I am stocking up with popcorn.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 27 November 2017 21: 13 New
          +2
          Mannerheim’s current government has already perpetuated. What else to expect?
    3. Overlock
      Overlock 27 November 2017 11: 23 New
      +4
      The term "concentration camp", the very phrase "concentration camps" appeared in documents signed by Vladimir Lenin.
      1. For the first time in world history, the Solovetsky camps became a STATE STRUCTURE (State structures were created in the rank of the ministry, managing camps - OGPU, NKVD, MGB, the Charter of the Solovetsky camp was written, its own money circulation was introduced, etc.).
      2. The camps were created by DIRECT INSTRUCTIONS OF THE FIRST PERSONS OF THE STATE, who are PERSONALLY AND DIRECTLY involved in the murders of their own citizens through the secret state orders or orders issued by them. (Secret Decree of the Council of People's Commissars "On the Organization of the Solovetsky Forced Labor Camp" dated 02.11.1923. With the participation of Vladimir Lenin, it was signed by his deputy - Alexei Rykov and his secretary Nikolai Gorbunov. The so-called "shooting lists" by Joseph Stalin).
      3. The camps were intended to destroy the POLITICAL OPPOSITION inside the country (the destruction and exile of prominent members of other political parties, members of social movements and political organizations).
      Further. Tambov Uprising 1920-21
      N 171, Tambov June 11, 1921
      Plenipotentiary Commission of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee
      orders:
      1. Citizens who refuse to give their name, shoot on the spot without trial.
      2. For the villages where the weapons are hiding, the authorities of the political committee or the district political committee shall pronounce the verdict on the seizure of hostages and shoot them in case of non-delivery of weapons.
      4. The family in whose house the bandit took refuge is subject to arrest and expulsion from the province, her property is confiscated, a senior worker in this family is shot without trial.
      5. Families that harbor family members or property of gangsters are treated as gangsters, and the senior employee of this family is shot on the spot without trial.
      6. In the event that the gangster’s family escapes, distribute the property among the peasants loyal to Soviet power and burn or dismantle the houses they left behind.
      7. This order is enforced severely and mercilessly.

      Chairman of the Plenipotentiary Commission of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee Antonov-Ovseenko
      Commander Tukhachevsky
      The next day, June 12, 1921, Tukhachevsky signed order No. 0116 on the use of chemical weapons against rebels - ORDER
      Commander of the troops of the Tambov province No. 0116 / operational-secret
      Tambov June 12, 1921
      FOR IMMEDIATE CLEANING OF FORESTS I ORDER:

      1. Forests where bandits are hiding should be cleaned with poisonous gases, precisely calculated so that a cloud of suffocating gases spreads completely throughout the forest, destroying everything that was hidden in it.

      2. The artillery inspector should immediately bring in the required number of toxic gas cylinders and the right specialists.

      3. The commanders of the combat areas persistently and vigorously carry out this order
      Commander Tukhachevsky
      Chief of Staff of the General Staff Kakurin

      Russian State Military Archive F.34228. Op. 1. D.292. L.5
      Everyone was the same, blood poured in the river, and white and red
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 27 November 2017 16: 55 New
        +2
        overlock, you are specifically right: "blood poured in the river both white and red" unfortunately the Civil War is the most important thing. If Mamontov had managed to take Moscow and the whites won the war, in history books “all dogs were hanged” on reds. By the way, who knows the origin of this expression? It has long been known: "the winners write the story", but how much is truthfully this is the second question
      2. MrK
        27 November 2017 18: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: Overlock
        1. For the first time in world history, the Solovetsky camps became a STATE STRUCTURE (State structures were created in the rank of the ministry, the camps are managed by the OGPU,


        No need to lie, dear. The first camp, on Solovki, was created by the people's socialists and Mensheviks. On February 3, 1919, the Miller-Tchaikovsky government wrote a decree: citizens, “whose presence is harmful ... may be subject to arrest and extrajudicial deportation to the places specified in paragraph 4 of this judgment. ... p. 4. ...The place of expulsion is assigned to the Solovetsky Monastery and one of the islands of the Solovetsky Group... »
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 27 November 2017 20: 56 New
          +3
          Well, to be completely accurate. then the first concentration camp on Solovki was built by the British
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 28 November 2017 00: 08 New
            +1
            and to be precise, the British built it in the Boer War ..
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 28 November 2017 12: 22 New
              0
              we are talking about Solovki
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 28 November 2017 14: 58 New
                +1
                The term "concentration camp", the very phrase "concentration camps" appeared in documents signed by Vladimir Lenin. your words? so, the term concentration camp appeared before Lenin. as you formulated so you answered.
      3. long in stock.
        long in stock. 27 November 2017 19: 06 New
        +3
        again you pulled out this old shabby duck about gas attacks .... well, it wasn’t. and you couldn’t do it ... there were no specialists or special ammunition .. and orders were issued, and even more formidable. The psychological distress was not yesterday they came up with it ... for a long time everything has been investigated up and down ... why every newly-minted liberal on the site is trying to poke in the Tambov concentration camps in the eye .. I’m really tired of explaining to you what the camps got there and the main thing how everything was arranged there. please find you’re tearing archival documents on the Tambov uprising, it’s very interesting there that these institutions are described — how the commandants require warm rooms and cows for children ... when you read it, come on. you now the word concentration camp burns after the Germans. then it was perceived in a completely different way. like the swastika, then it was just one symbol and the curse was only later ..
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 27 November 2017 20: 57 New
          +1
          do you even believe the Russian State Military Archive (F.34228. Op.1. D.292. L.5)? Or believe your dreams?
          1. long in stock.
            long in stock. 28 November 2017 00: 11 New
            0
            you first read what is written there. at the same time read the rest of the documents. and then lay out your wet fantasies ... you have already read-1 book without even thinking to check that the author is writing and they are already climbing on to teach others .. about the broken jaw of the king and putting him in a sharaga too write? wallow ... here you can’t count people like you ..
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 28 November 2017 12: 22 New
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              you read - announce this order.
              1. long in stock.
                long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 00 New
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                I read. and also did what you did not. I read the rest of the documents. There is a search on the site, you hammer in keywords and you will get articles on this topic on this site. Everything has been chewed and written for a long time. Read.
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 28 November 2017 17: 25 New
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                  This order? Tell me again the machinations of the liberals?
                2. Overlock
                  Overlock 28 November 2017 17: 26 New
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                  We read and advise you.
                  On June 16, a telegram arrives at the Tambov inspector (artillery inspector, who was in charge of providing troops with weapons and ammunition):

                  "Kozlov 14/6 - 14 hours. Map 10 versts in an inch. According to the order by the commanders # 0116 / ops I inform you that clearing bandits by means of asphyxiating toxic gases is due to the area of ​​forests located on both sides of the eastern border of the Kozlovsky district, limited from the west of the Cheliryan river 18 versts north of the Selezni station and further downstream to the village of Veryatino, Bekindar-Sosnovka station, from the east, the western outskirts of the village of Vikhlei on the metro station Sloboda Troitskaya, Atamanov Ugol - Veryatino and the village of Khobotovsky going from Khobotovo station to the north east direction to the village of Bogoyaz near the village zero verst south-west of the Novichkovo station, I ask for your urgent order to supply toxic gas cylinders and to send reliable specialists to the headquarters of school # 02589.

                  Headquarter 4 Tomin. Commissar Ganchenko. "
                  On June 18, Kukurin, Chief of Staff of Tukhachevsky, sends out a circular telegram:

                  "To the chiefs of the fighting sections 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6.

                  Copy to brigade commander Kotovsky.

                  In all operations using choking gas, take comprehensive measures to save livestock in the area of ​​action. "
                  The first artillery shelling with chemical shells took place on July 13, 1921. 47 shells fired.
                  On August 59, chemical shelling continues. 27 poisonous shells were fired that day. On August XNUMX, in order to impede the relations of the rebels with the local population, Tukhachevsky forbade residents of the Tambov province to enter the forest and ride boats on rivers and lakes under any pretext.
                  Everything is chewed and already proven.
                  How do you want to whitewash the genius of military thought, oh how do you want
                  1. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 28 November 2017 18: 43 New
                    +1
                    how narrow-minded you are ...
                    So - the "cylinders with poisonous gases", which Tukhachevsky writes about in his order, were simply not at the disposal of the Tambov command. I had to contact Moscow for help. The military leadership was very skeptical of the proposal to conduct gas attacks against the Tambov rebels, but allocated 250 balloons. However, upon the arrival of the necessary ammunition, another circumstance became clear: the only unit in the Tambov region capable of carrying out gas attacks - the 1st Separate Chemical Company - was absolutely not ready for such a task. Here is how the local command assessed her condition: "... lack of command personnel and uniforms, no training sessions are conducted, people are completely untrained, and the chemical training center with regard to gas fighting is absolutely unprepared and not combat ready." and here's another
                    At the very beginning of the operation, on August 2, 1921, the red artillery fired 59 chemical shells on the island of Dry Dubki, where, according to the information available to the Soviet command, the leader of the rebel Antonov was hiding. After that, the Soviet units combed the island. The only thing they managed to find there was three horses tied to trees. Moreover, they were alive ... you saw the order and immediately screamed ... but how and what it really was, you have no idea ... a superficial mind ...
                    1. Overlock
                      Overlock 28 November 2017 19: 09 New
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                      what are you short-sighted - in Tambov, if I am not mistaken, 2000 shells were delivered. But most importantly, you still recognize the fact that chemical weapons were fired. At least something.
                      You should not convince me, there is an order (see screen), there are combat reports, you yourself confirmed the fact of the shooting. The fact of using chemical weapons is proven. Whether there are victims or not depends on who checked how. So your Tukhachevsky is a war criminal. There is no point in arguing on this topic. Good luck. Your deepest mind, the light of Russian thought, the pillar of the country's history, the mahatma of all ignoramuses - HONOR !!!!!!
                      1. long in stock.
                        long in stock. 29 November 2017 07: 49 New
                        0
                        it’s you who’s extremely short-sighted. The use of chemical weapons is described in sufficient detail and the fact of firing too. As well as the effectiveness of firing. Are there any victims? No. And who did you check your chants and, in fact, empty idle talk. Here and sit in your lies. you are silent about the atrocities of these rebels .. yes because you don’t know a damn thing. galloped to the tops and nothing got into the brain ...
          2. MrK
            29 November 2017 13: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: Overlock
            do you even believe the Russian State Military Archive (F.34228. Op.1. D.292. L.5)?

            Do you believe the report of Tukhachevsky in the same documents?
            On 2 of August 1921 of the year, red artillery, by order of Tukhachevsky, fired 59 of chemical shells on the island of Such Dubki. After that, the Soviet units combed the island. The only thing they found there was three horses tied to trees. Which did not suffer.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2017 08: 04 New
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    Why be surprised, the director fulfilled a social order to de-Sovietize the population .. The same nonsense is happening in the country 404 ... But we are outraged at how bad they are ..., ... And we are fine, a beautiful marquise ... And then we are surprised how the boy Kolya could say in the Bundestag, oh sorry to the Nazis ...
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 27 November 2017 10: 22 New
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      Alexei, what are these fantasies for, these visions for? Madhouse nervously smokes on the side ..... Suddenly, after so many years opened? Or what now in the movie will a free interpretation of dreams be shown? I have so many answers that I can’t count.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 27 November 2017 11: 28 New
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        Or what now in the movie will a free interpretation of dreams be shown?
        .... Russian cinema. Meaningless and merciless.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 27 November 2017 11: 44 New
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          So I thought ----- Well, where are we to Hollywood? But Hollywood elevates its country and its innocent inhabitants, and others, all countries are darned! Especially before attacking someone - Hollywood will show that evil bloodthirsty demons live there! Only our creative people lie and defame their country. From here they will receive money, and there !!!!
  5. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 27 November 2017 08: 23 New
    +7
    Similar films, Kolya’s boy is all a product of work to fool the Russian population into distorting its history, which is paid by the State Department. The goal is the collapse of Russia from within the Russians themselves. It is sad that the state and GDP passively look at this disgrace.
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N 27 November 2017 14: 12 New
      +5
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      Similar films, Kolya’s boy is all a product of work to fool the Russian population into distorting its history, which is paid by the State Department. The goal is the collapse of Russia from within the Russians themselves. It is sad that the state and GDP passively look at this disgrace.

      Do you seriously think that everything happens against the will and opinion of the GDP? What GDP was simply not allowed to air on November 7? That the GDP resisted and opposed the construction of the Yeltsin Center, but arrogant private sponsors and officials built the center in spite of the supreme?
    2. zoolu350
      zoolu350 28 November 2017 19: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: Seraphimamur
      It is sad that the state and GDP passively look at this disgrace.

      Oh no. The oligarch of the Russian Federation just successfully manages this disgrace.
  6. Old military officer
    Old military officer 27 November 2017 08: 24 New
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    How-s, how-s! They pay well, they don’t smell like silver in Africa either. Where else to grab such a customer. About order No. 227 or something to push, otherwise all sorts of Kolya from Urengoy are ahead. Where does Our Home Gazprom look?
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 09: 51 New
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      Old military instructor Today, 08:24
      Where does Our Home Gazprom look?
      Where, where, in a German pocket and looks. They don’t specify that the slogan “Our house is GAZPROM” and “National treasure” is literally THEIR house and THEIR national treasure.
      1. long in stock.
        long in stock. 27 November 2017 19: 10 New
        +1
        everything is simpler. in the word OUR-they only see themselves .. we simply are not there ..
  7. andrewkor
    andrewkor 27 November 2017 08: 38 New
    +2
    Personally, I liked Khabensky both in the role of Kolchak and in the role of Trotsky. If you really can’t adapt the history of Russia to Quiet Flows the Don and Walking in Pain (2.0), to what extent this will be a talented and reliable question is different, but also the most important!
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 27 November 2017 08: 46 New
      +9
      Quote: andrewkor
      To what extent this will be a talented and reliable question is different, but also the most important!

      This is the essence, one thing of the a la "Walking through the agony" craft number 2 is crooked and slanting, the second is the glorification of Kolchak, and the essence is the truth about those events, and it is far from in favor of Kolchaks and other reds with wrangels.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 27 November 2017 10: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: badens1111

        This is the essence, one thing of the a la "Walking through the agony" craft number 2 is crooked and slanting, the second is the glorification of Kolchak, and the essence is the truth about those events, and it is far from in favor of Kolchaks and other reds with wrangels.
        The main thing! Let several artists who have already shown themselves always play. This will be a trend. Well, from Matilda who will be called .... Then everything will be messed up and there will be complete mess! Well, cram all sorts of visions, dreams, well, if anyone had a squirrel or something more serious ---- it will also be interesting to see ----- the glitches of the director or screenwriter in this way.
  8. andj61
    andj61 27 November 2017 08: 57 New
    +4
    Quote: andrewkor
    Personally, I liked Khabensky both in the role of Kolchak and in the role of Trotsky. If you really can’t adapt the history of Russia to Quiet Flows the Don and Walking in Pain (2.0), to what extent this will be a talented and reliable question is different, but also the most important!

    That's it: Kun and Leeb financed Trotsky and Sverdlov, Parvus and through him Germany financed Lenin. And what kind of exhaust? And no - here the financiers did not use the Bolsheviks, but the Bolsheviks completely and for their own purposes raped the financiers! And with their money they made a revolution and built a new state
    The author did not mention one more moment: Stalin, taking advantage of the global economic crisis, cheaply bought plants in the West and industrialized the country as soon as possible, which already in the 50s, after the devastating war, brought the USSR to the second place in the world in economics. , too, to the morganam-dupons-rothschilds sold out! wassat
    In general, in our history there are similar examples when considerable funds invested in specific characters turn out to be wasted. For example, False Dmitry 1. He promised the Poles territorial concessions and the possibility of the spread of Catholicism in Russia - and he “forgot” everything safely after his accession in Moscow. Just as quickly "forgotten" about the financial support provided by him, the Bolsheviks. And they did it right! hi
  9. Galleon
    Galleon 27 November 2017 09: 32 New
    +5
    Quote: The same Lech
    And what is surprising ... after all this, Kolchak Avenue appeared in modern Novosibirsk ... miracles with common sense and nothing more.

    Bela Kun Street in St. Petersburg does not bother you? Or "your" executioner is no longer an executioner?
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 09: 59 New
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      Galleon Today, 09: 32 New
      Bela Kun Street in St. Petersburg does not bother you? Or "your" executioner is no longer an executioner?
      Well, well, you still tell us about Voikov, well, of course about Rosalia Zemlyachka, because not all of your liberal liberals have heard about the "bloody executioners".
      I would like to ask, but what is your education? About causation, have you ever heard in your life?
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          1. Galleon
            Galleon 27 November 2017 10: 58 New
            +5
            Think before talking and answer for your words: the peasant origin will not justify. If you prove your right to defend your honor by indicating your education and military rank (you can in PM), I will give you the opportunity of satisfaction.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 11: 14 New
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              Galleon Today, 10:58 ↑
              Think before talking and answer for your words: the peasant origin will not justify.
              First, let's start with the fact that my origin is not peasant, but Cossack.
              Secondly, peasant origin does not make a person better or worse than any other. A huge number of talented people came out of the peasants. These people were no match for the counts and barons, some of whom could not write and read.
              Thirdly, the right to defend my honor from my birth, and not by education or military rank. And I don’t give a damn about your epaulettes, they’re beating not in epaulets, but in the face.
              Fourth, you can immediately see the "Orthodox" and the "true believer." belay wassat You divide people into grades, by origin, by education, by rank. That is, in fact, you are an ordinary fascist, dividing people into higher and lower. But what about the commandment that we are all equal before God? Or are they equal before God, and you put yourself above God to decide which of us is more equal?
              The navel will not untie, the "true believer" with a parish formation? laughing

              P.S. And yet, warrior sofa, you already decide on the status. A division commander is a division commander or division commander. And you, of course, if you wrote the truth, are just a warhead commander. Lying rag ... laughing
              1. Galleon
                Galleon 27 November 2017 11: 39 New
                +5
                Yes, you are the cutest, not from the Cossacks, but from the clowns! Where are you on the ship of the division commander you want to find? On our steamships we have divisions and battalions — commanders of battalions and batteries, not divisions and battalions. It’s you, who’s a couch, who has never belted a military belt — and therefore confuse it.
                In Russia, for 1000 years, all soldiers are believers. There are no atheists in a war, there’s even such a saying (beside political workers). Therefore, it’s better to close the mouth for believers, but personally your bark does not scratch me.
                Well, now you understand, I hope that before you is not a liberal? But you haven’t convinced me otherwise to you wink
                1. Varyag_0711
                  Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 11: 55 New
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                  Galleon Today, 11:39 ↑
                  Yes, you are the cutest, not from the Cossacks, but from the clowns!
                  Are you a rude boy? However, for "Orthodox and true believers" this is in the order of things. Apparently the "Orthodox Academy" specifically teach this? laughing
                  Where are you on the ship of the division commander you want to find?
                  Your status is written
                  first division commander R and EW em "Burny" 1987-1993
                  Or is it I prescribed it to you in status?
                  In Russia, for 1000 years, all soldiers are believers.
                  Oh how? My grandfather passed two wars, then he restored the country. He was a communist, but he did not hear such a believer! Father and uncle served in the SA, one in the Western Group of Forces, and the other in the South African Group. They were Komsomol members; I did not hear about believers from them either. Itself served in the military unit 3655 operational division DON-100, the Ossetian-Ingush conflict, also somehow not penetrated. And the war, you are the "cutest" in the eyes and did not see closely.
                  Therefore, it’s better to close the mouth for believers, but personally your bark does not scratch me.
                  Again? I look at the Orthodox culture from you and gushes streams of feces towards the opponent. laughing laughing laughing
                  Well, now you understand, I hope that before you is not a liberal?
                  I realized that you are even worse! Not just a liberalist, but a liberalist in his extreme hypostasis - an Orthodox believing liberal fascist, so it would probably be more correct.
                  1. Galleon
                    Galleon 27 November 2017 12: 05 New
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                    You take phenazepamchik, otherwise you already have foam from your mouth. Better sleeping pills and laxatives together - it characterizes you better. And under the fence, darling, under the fence, you there ... the most, you know.
                    End of communication. You made my day. I'm going to work in a good mood!
                    I owe you: if you find yourself in the capital - drop a line in PM: I have beer.
                    1. Varyag_0711
                      Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 12: 52 New
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                      You take phenazepamchik, otherwise you already have foam from your mouth. Better sleeping pills and laxatives together - it characterizes you better.
                      And again, your “culture” is rushing out of you, you’re directly a fount of “Orthodox culture”!
                      And under the fence, darling, under the fence, you there ... the most, you know.
                      Well, right, you can’t say anything smarter. For more intelligence and "Orthodox" education is not enough?
                      End of communication. You made my day. I'm going to work in a good mood!
                      Fair wind in the stern!
                      I owe you: if you find yourself in the capital - drop a line in PM: I have beer.
                      Well, in the capitals I’m a rare guest, but fire you a beer. With people like you, I do not go out on one hectare as needed, not like drinking beer!
                      1. badens1111
                        badens1111 28 November 2017 08: 59 New
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                        Quote: Varyag_0711
                        Fair wind in the stern!

                        Yes, and magic pendal for acceleration.
                        In vain, a colleague, you have entered into polemics with this barchuk — this leader has not served anywhere, did not fight at all, and has no idea what it is.
                        All his shouts at the expense of "phenazepam, etc.," are given in him by the pro-roll, but by no means responsible for his words.
                2. MrK
                  27 November 2017 12: 09 New
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                  Quote: Galleon
                  In Russia, for 1000 years, all soldiers are believers.


                  Immediately after the February Revolution in 1917, when the Provisional Government abolished the obligatory attendance of prayers, in the Russian army, consisting mainly of peasants, 78% of soldiers stopped attending church. Well, scary believers.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 27 November 2017 21: 46 New
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                annually, passing Kushchevka, I ask myself the same question: here the Cossacks, fighters, walked around in Moscow with whips, position themselves as defenders of the Motherland. But how then did the Tsapki allow themselves to bend? or are they defenders where it is quiet? Where is their army? Why in the Krasnodar Territory the most rubbish traffic cops-post "Tsukerova Balka" what is it worth? After all, they are also Cossacks? Well, we are villagers, otherwise Cossacks! So it turns out that we are all the same, there are bad and good everywhere. That's just the history of the country is not the history of the CPSU, edited by Ponomarev.
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 02 New
                  +1
                  it’s necessary. here and see. the chain is a classic fist ... that’s how they acted before the revolution.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 28 November 2017 17: 46 New
                    0
                    What are you? And I thought a bandit! Communist upbringing can be seen from afar;
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 28 November 2017 18: 46 New
                      +1
                      but don’t think about it. firstly, it’s bad for you and secondly it’s bad for you. what didn’t you like? Yes, he’s a gangster, like the rest of the kulach. Now there are questions for which they were unkempt? go Melgunov read ... then he certainly knew how it was. sitting in Paris ..
        2. VS
          VS 27 November 2017 11: 07 New
          +4
          Quote: Galleon
          100 years ago, the oath would not change. And would serve 100% - the Cossacks serve. The Ussuri army, the village of Kazakevichevo, an ancestor lived there.

          and then with the Reds they would come to Rasey to liberate from the Red-bellied - in the 41st?))
          1. Galleon
            Galleon 27 November 2017 11: 44 New
            +4
            No, I would not go. And who went with Krasnov?
            That’s the truth of this - both dishonest ones themselves and others, for the slightest reason, try to smear dishonor. it’s nasty to write in 3 seconds, and it doesn’t give a class feeling to remember that our emigrants participated in the French Resistance. Meanness to do and speak - gives, but to admit the truth - does not! That is why I hate political workers since Soviet times. According to the genes, you see, it was transmitted.
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 27 November 2017 12: 26 New
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              Galleon Today, 11:44 ↑ New
              and to remember that our emigrants participated in the French Resistance - class feeling does not.
              And what was this “resistance" resisting there? The Germans from that "resistance" was neither hot nor cold. The real resistance was in the occupied territories of the USSR, in the forests of Belarus, in the mountains of Yugoslavia, well, a little bit in Greece.
              And if you thought about white emigration, then remember at the same time how many white officers fought in Spain on the side of the Nazis. Remember Krasnov, Shkuro and other white-skinned hides that went to Russia under the flags of the Third Reich, "liberate" our people, "liberators" their mother in the drawbar ...
              That is why I hate political workers since Soviet times. According to the genes, you see, it was transmitted.
              Of course, the genes, but how. After all, the Nazis, first of all, whom they shot, commanders, commissars and communists. You can’t hide a fascist entity anywhere, right?
            2. VS
              VS 27 November 2017 18: 34 New
              +3
              So EVERYWHERE is right in opposition to Hitler and went down?)) Me - more those whites liked that they stayed and fought with the Germans in the Red Army - creating the Red Army))) True, and among them there were shits at the beginning of the war ((((
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 31 New
        +5
        Quote: Varyag_0711
        Well, well, you still tell us about Voikov, well, of course, about Rosalia Zemlyachka, because not all of your liberal liberals have heard about the “bloody executioners”

        Interestingly, Dzerzhinsky was also a liberal?
        “A great mistake has been made. Crimea was the main nest of the White Guard, and to ravage this nest, we sent comrades there with absolutely extraordinary powers. But we could not think that they are SO using these powers. ”
        Liberals were members of the CEC?
        -Chairman of the plenipotentiary commission of the Central Committee and the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, arrived to study the situation in Crimea, Sh.N. Ibragimov noted:

        "... In Crimea, not everything goes the normal way ... First, the excesses of red terror, carried out too cruelly ... the extraordinary abundance of extraordinary organs in Crimea, which act separately, and the population suffered from this."

        -M.V. Fofanova was included in the triple All-Russian Central Executive Committee to study the situation on the peninsula. As M.V. testified Fofanov, the Bolsheviks shot the wounded, sick soldiers and officers of the White Army right in hospitals, hospitals and sanatoriums. They shot and "assisting" "counter-revolutionaries" - doctors, nurses and orderlies. They shot old people, women, and even infants. Prisons in the cities were packed with hostages. On the streets lay corpses of the executed, among whom were children.
        -And the press of those times are also liberals?
        -A.M.V. Frunze?
        M.V. Frunze left his resolution: “I consider Comrade Evdokimov’s activities worthy of encouragement. Due to the special nature of this activity, holding awards in the usual way is not very convenient. ”(On November 27, EG Evdokimov was appointed the head of the strike group of the Special Department of the Southern Front. In just a few months, he managed to destroy 12 thousand“ White Guard elements ”in total ", Including 30 governors, 150 generals and more than 300 colonels. For his bloody" feats "one of the main executioners of the Crimea was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of War, though without public announcement about it).
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 27 November 2017 11: 49 New
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      After the completion of the evacuation by Wrangel, 2009 officers and 52687 soldiers of the Russian army remained in Crimea. In addition, in the hospitals of the peninsula there were about 15 thousand wounded and sick. For various reasons, the country did not want to leave more than 200 thousand civil and military officials, journalists, actors, doctors ...
      At the direction of Lenin, two “iron Bolsheviks” who fanatically devoted to the Soviet power and enemies who equally hated it were sent to Crimea “to restore order”: Rosalia Zemlyachka, who became secretary of the Crimean Regional Committee of the Bolshevik Party, and Hungarian Comintern Bela Kun, appointed specially authorized in the Crimea.
      They shot most of all in Sevastopol. They shot people of all classes, not only officers and soldiers, but also doctors, nurses, engineers, teachers, professors, peasants, priests, women, the elderly and even children. About six hundred of their own proletarian port workers were shot for participating in the loading of ships of the Wrangel Army during evacuation. And not only shot, but also hanged in dozens, hundreds.

      Foreigners who escaped from Crimea during the revelry described the stunning paintings of the KGB victims. Historical Boulevard, Nakhimovsky Prospekt, Primorsky Boulevard Bolshaya Morskaya and Yekaterinskaya streets were literally hung with corpses swaying in the air. They hung everywhere: on lanterns, poles, on trees and even on monuments. If the officer turned out to be the victim, then he was necessarily hanged in uniform with uniform. The non-war were hung half-dressed.

      In Sevastopol and in Yalta, the wounded and sick were taken out of the infirmaries and immediately shot.
      Eyewitnesses recalled: “The outskirts of the city of Simferopol were full of stench from the decaying corpses of the executed, which were not even buried in the ground. The pits behind the Vorontsov Garden and the greenhouses in the Krymtaev estate were full of corpses of shot, lightly sprinkled with earth, and the students of the cavalry school (future red commanders) traveled a mile and a half from their barracks to knock out golden teeth from the mouth of the executed with stones, and this hunt always gave a big booty ” .

      During the first winter, 96 thousand people out of 800 thousand of the Crimean population were shot. The slaughter lasted for months. On November 28, Izvestia of the Provisional Sevastopol Revolutionary Committee published the first list of executed persons - 1634 people, on November 30 the second list - 1202 people. Over a week, more than 8000 people were shot by Bela Kun in Sevastopol alone, and such executions took place throughout Crimea, machine guns worked day and night.
      The official representative of the People’s Commissariat in Crimea M. Sultan-Galiev wrote:

      “... among the executed there were a lot of working elements and people left from Wrangel with a sincere and firm decision to honestly serve the Soviet regime. Particularly great illegibility in this regard was shown by local emergency agencies. There is almost no family wherever anyone suffers from these executions: one has his father shot, this one has a brother, the third has a son, etc. Crimea at that time was like one large concentration camp, a prototype of the future Gulag in the size of one peninsula ... "
      In Alupka, an emergency shot 272 patients and wounded, torturing them of this kind: the healing wounds received at the front were opened and covered with salt, dirty earth or lime, and they were also filled with alcohol and kerosene, after which the unfortunates were delivered to the emergency. Those of them who could not move were brought on a stretcher.
      On November 27, E.G. was appointed the head of the strike group of the Special Department of the Southern Front. Evdokimov. In just a few months, he managed to destroy a total of 12 thousand "White Guard element", including 30 governors, 150 generals and more than 300 colonels. For his bloody “feats”, one of the main executioners of the Crimea was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of War, though without a public announcement about it.

      On the award list E.G. Evdokimova commander of the Southern Front M.V. Frunze left his resolution: “I consider Comrade Evdokimov’s activities worthy of encouragement. Due to the special nature of this activity, holding awards in the usual way is not entirely convenient. ”
      Chairman of the Plenipotentiary Commission of the Central Committee and the All-Russian Central Executive Committee, arrived to study the situation in Crimea, Sh.N. Ibragimov noted:

      "... In Crimea, not everything goes the normal way ... First, the excesses of red terror, carried out too cruelly ... the extraordinary abundance of extraordinary organs in Crimea, which act separately, and the population suffered from this."
      M.V. Fofanova was included in the triple All-Russian Central Executive Committee to study the situation on the peninsula. As M.V. testified Fofanov, the Bolsheviks shot the wounded, sick soldiers and officers of the White Army right in hospitals, hospitals and sanatoriums. They shot and "assisting" "counter-revolutionaries" - doctors, nurses and orderlies. They shot old people, women, and even infants. Prisons in the cities were packed with hostages. On the streets lay corpses of the executed, among whom were children.

      Oddly enough, local Bolshevik publications (for example, Izvestia of the temporary Sevastopol Revolutionary Committee, Kerch Izvestia and others) widely reported these monstrous atrocities.

      During the investigation, Fofanova established: in Kerch, the Bolsheviks took captured soldiers and officers on barges to the open sea and drowned them. In her opinion, the victims of Bolshevik terror in Crimea totaled tens of thousands.
      The head of the Cheka F.E. Dzerzhinsky ultimately admitted that he and the other leaders of his department “made a big mistake.” Crimea was the main nest of the White Guard, and to ravage this nest, we sent comrades there with absolutely extraordinary powers. But we could not think that they are SO using these powers. ”
      So what are the cause and effect relationships in this?
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 27 November 2017 13: 22 New
        +2
        According to official Soviet data, in 1920-1921 about 20 thousand people were shot in Simferopol, about 12 thousand in Sevastopol, about 8 thousand in Feodosia, about 8 thousand in Kerch, and 4-5 thousand in Yalta, all in Crimea - up to 52 thousand people
        1. MrK
          27 November 2017 16: 17 New
          +5
          Quote: Overlock
          According to official Soviet data, in 1920 — 1921 years in Simferopol, 12 thousand “White Guard elements” were shot, including 30 governors, 150 generals and more than 300 colonels.


          Give a source. And I will bring.
          L.M. Abramenko is the main exposer of the crimes of the bloody Soviet system in the Crimea. 30 Abramenko worked for years in the USSR Prosecutor's Office - he was engaged in exactly the thing that today stigmatizes. Here is such a fighter for the truth.
          Further. Abramenko diligently rummaged through all the archives of Ukraine and Russia in order to prove the crimes of the bloody Chekists and dug up all the shooting cases in 1920-1921.
          True-minded Abramenko wrote down the names of all the executed in his book. So, the numbers are Abramenko.
          Executions in the cities of Crimea for 1920-1921 years: Dzhankoy - 253, Simferopol - 2066, Kerch - 624, Feodosia - 550, Yalta - 822, Sevastopol - 57, Yevpatoria - 154, Bakhchisaray - 24. TOTAL shot - 4550 and sent to a concentration camp - 148.
          And here is the figure given by current anti-Soviet historians: after filtering and checking, 4698 people from all those scumbags from all over Russia hiding in Crimea were punished.

          Wrangel, Slashchev, Kutepov in relation to workers' organizations pursued a policy of repression, brutally cracked down on the Communists and their sympathizers. In the first months of 1920, by order of the general, the military courts very actively sentenced all suspicious persons to execution (sometimes they were shot without any sentences). The bodies of those executed as a warning were hung on the lampposts of the city.
          Well, this is - according to Overlock, they can and should be hung.
          sourceShots in Crimea in 1920-21
          http://bolshoyforum.com/forum/index.php?page=583
          Well, where are the hundreds of thousands killed by the bloody Bolsheviks?

          And the generals and colonels of the white army fled first, leaving their soldiers. Read their memoirs. At least the same Wrangel.
          1. MrK
            27 November 2017 16: 33 New
            +1
            Addition.
            Well, it’s the same bldg - according to Overlock, they can and should be hung.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock 28 November 2017 17: 47 New
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              Quote: mrark
              Well, it’s the same bldg - according to Overlock, they can and should be hung

              Find the word "bpd" in my utterances. It looks like this word is from your vocabulary
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 27 November 2017 21: 03 New
            +1
            Ratkovsky I. S. "Red Terror" S. P. Melgunova // Problems of historical regional studies: Collection of scientific papers. - St. Petersburg: Publishing House of St. Petersburg University, 2012. - V. 3. - P. 365—372. - ISBN 978-5-98620-052-1).
            1. long in stock.
              long in stock. 28 November 2017 00: 16 New
              +1
              Melgunov is a plausible source ???? hmm .... well, you ... also believe in the Immaculate Conception?
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 28 November 2017 12: 46 New
                0
                your blameless source? So to speak, OWNER! Pliz!
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 05 New
                  +1
                  Are you trying to build yourself a troll of level 80? In vain .. the level of knowledge is not the same.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 28 November 2017 18: 08 New
                    0
                    I’m far from your level, you have a lot of knowledge
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 28 November 2017 14: 52 New
                0
                Well, do you believe Lenin?
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 16 New
                  +1
                  and why not? for Lenin they say his deeds. but for you? only idle talk ... and from the words of another yap from behind a hill .. have you ever asked yourself what kind of money this historian existed in exile? apparently not. ..General Kutepov’s great friend, but this general’s instruction for saboteurs: First of all, it’s necessary to organize:
                  1. Production of documents:
                  a) seals, stamps,
                  b) books with watermarks.
                  2. The development of each act on the map of Russia and city plans. The task is given only on the day of border crossing.
                  3. Each is supplied, except for weapons (revolver and hand grenades) with a potassium cyanide capsule so that not one dares to get caught alive.
                  4. Search for pyrotechnic instructors:
                  a) engaging in subversive business and handling dynamite and gases and producing them with people designated for dispatch;
                  b) compilation of a brief manual on the artisanal production of explosives and gases, set out in the form of proclamations that must be given to travelers, and also distributed within Russia.
                  5. The involvement of an absolutely proven bacteriologist:
                  a) equipment of his laboratory for breeding cultures of infectious diseases (plague, cholera, typhoid, anthrax, glanders);
                  b) the supply of leaving bacteria to infect communist houses, hostels of the GPU troops, etc.
                  Note to paragraph 5: Even the states that help us should not suspect the latter. "
                  General Kutepov. Digest of articles. Paris, 1934 yes, well done, what can you say ... the scribble of Judas from beyond the hill for you, I look really certain ... tell me who your friend is and I will say who you are ..
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 28 November 2017 17: 53 New
                    0
                    How is HIV infected?

                    There are several ways to become infected with HIV:

                    - unprotected (without a condom) penetrating sexual intercourse;

                    - sharing syringes, needles and other injection equipment;

                    - the use of non-sterile tools for tattoos and piercings;

                    - the use of foreign shaving accessories, toothbrushes with visible residues of blood;

                    - transmission of the virus from an HIV-positive mother to a child - during pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding.

                    Thus, HIV is transmitted through blood, semen, vaginal discharge and breast milk, but not through other body fluids (such as saliva, sweat, tears, urine and feces).

                    By using alcohol and drugs, you risk too

                    Drug use can be detrimental to your health.

                    The most dangerous is injecting drugs: this is how you can become infected with HIV, hepatitis B and C viruses and other infectious diseases. Infections can enter the bloodstream when injecting equipment is used together: through someone else's syringe or needle, as well as through other injection equipment (filters, water, and glassware for preparing solutions).

                    Very high risk of injecting infection is carried by drug solutions, in the preparation of which blood was used, since it may contain causative agents of dangerous diseases.

                    It must be remembered that alcohol is also a drug, under its influence a person often loses control over the situation, which can lead to the commission of rash and risky acts.
                    And then Lenin?
            2. badens1111
              badens1111 28 November 2017 09: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: Overlock
              Ratkovsky I. S. "Red Terror" S. P. Melgunova // Problems

              Perceive this nonsense for something related to the true story ??? Well, you give .. for you and Solzhenitsyn, an authoritative witness?
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 28 November 2017 12: 45 New
                0
                do you recognize anything besides Solzhenitsyn? For example, a history textbook of the CPSU? That's the real story!
                1. badens1111
                  badens1111 28 November 2017 18: 48 New
                  +2
                  And you apparently didn’t read anything except Solzhenitsyn’s opus, Melgunov’s opus, which he wrote on the market. Did you read Isaev, for example? Martirosyan?
                  Or do you read only what is convenient for you and only what fits into the framework of Chernukha and lies in the presentation of the Solzhenitsyn, Svanidz, Chubais and other Ratkovsky?
                  What did you read about the White Terror? Do they seem closer to you?
              2. long in stock.
                long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 18 New
                +2
                Do not offend the individual .. for him, Solzhenitsker is God ....
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 28 November 2017 17: 55 New
                  0
                  and who is for you? Volkogonov? maybe Ponomarenko? maybe Yeltsin?
                  I advise you not to hang up labels, you can run into an answer. you don't like him.
                  In fact, there is nothing to argue, so puff
                  1. badens1111
                    badens1111 28 November 2017 18: 50 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Overlock
                    I advise you not to hang up labels, you can run into an answer. you don't like him.

                    Well, you already tried to label them, and they kicked you in the neck, what are you showing here in amazement?
                    Quote: Overlock
                    so puff

                    Exactly. That's what you are doing here.
                  2. long in stock.
                    long in stock. 28 November 2017 18: 57 New
                    +1
                    don’t be advised to hang up labels or not. in fact, you haven’t said anything yet. cited the words of the foreign scribbler and that’s all. and your answer is, I don’t give a damn. It’s all the same. It’s been a long time already. You’re always Russophobe on your nose. so you never win ..
          3. Overlock
            Overlock 27 November 2017 21: 08 New
            +2
            Memoirs have been read? Much more to be read. Just do not raise everything to the absolute truth-Wrangel. yourself.
            Under the Russian army of Wrangel, there were up to 300 000 military and civil servants, including up to 50 000 officers;
            up to 70 000 military personnel and employees were evacuated, of which approximately 30 000 officers;
            according to the rules approved by the Crimean authorities, all officers and officials of the military department, as well as soldiers of the “colored units” were subject to destruction;
            according to data from Soviet sources, 52 000 people were executed;
            this figure is consistent with the number of people in the Russian army who could not or did not want to be evacuated and were assigned to the category to be destroyed.

            At the same time, the historian draws attention to the fact that the witnesses of the incident were so impressed by the scope of the killings that the figures of the people executed in 120 000 or even in 150 000 were indicated.
            Civil war in Russia: an encyclopedia of disaster / Comp. and holes ed. D.M. Volodikhin, scientific. ed. S.V. Volkov. - M.: Siberian Barber, 2010 .-- S. 277. - 400 p. - ISBN 978-5-903888-14-6
            1. MrK
              27 November 2017 21: 54 New
              +1
              Quote: Overlock
              Under the Russian army of Wrangel, there were up to 300 000 military and civil servants, including up to 50 000 officers;

              We turn to the book of Baron Wrangel P.N. “Notes (November 1916 - November 1920) in two books. And in chapter IX "Everything on Wrangel" of his second book P.N. Wrangel notes: "Our strength by the 1 of September did not exceed the 25 000 bayonets and 8000 checkers. And in Crimea, for the prepared fortifications, even a smaller number of the military personnel of our troops managed to retreat. ”
              Well, let's say 30 000 departed. If each officer in the subordination had at least four to five soldiers, it turns out that in Crimea there were about 6 000 white officers. Total!!!
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 28 November 2017 12: 39 New
                0
                interesting even, Doesn’t converge. And where did the Cossacks of Denikin, who fled from the Don to Feodosia and number 33, go to? Where did 000 civilian refugees go to Crimea? After all, they were shooting. According to the testimony of the Communists themselves: member of the CEC M.V. Fofanova was included in the triple All-Russian Central Executive Committee to study the situation on the peninsula. As M.V. testified Fofanov, the Bolsheviks shot the wounded, sick soldiers and officers of the White Army right in hospitals, hospitals and sanatoriums. They shot and "assisting" "counter-revolutionaries" - doctors, nurses and orderlies. They shot old people, women, and even infants. Prisons in the cities were packed with hostages. On the streets lay corpses of the executed, among whom were children.
                ... Wrangel managed to evacuate 145 693 people from the peninsula (of which about 5000 were wounded and sick). From the country were exported: up to 15 thousand Cossacks, 12 thousand officers, 4-5 thousand soldiers of regular units, more than 30 thousand officers and officials of the rear units, 10 thousand cadets and more than 100 thousand civilians.
                Whom did Wrangel take out if he had only 33 thousand soldiers? Has the air evacuated?
                So it doesn’t work out with an account. Bolsheviks not to be called humanists
                1. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 28 November 2017 15: 20 New
                  +2
                  and you read General Sweeter ... maybe at least something will stir the brain ....
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 28 November 2017 17: 49 New
                    0
                    and yours? I doubt it! Is there anything to move? As you see, there is always rudeness to rudeness.
                    1. long in stock.
                      long in stock. 28 November 2017 18: 59 New
                      +1
                      Yes, your opinion does not interest anyone .. as I understand it, even in your circle ... otherwise they would not have boiled like that ..
                  2. badens1111
                    badens1111 28 November 2017 18: 51 New
                    +2
                    Quote: long in stock.
                    and you read general sweetheart

                    NOT..he will not read it. Ved Slaschev-Krymsky, the most talented General of the Belykhs, eventually returned to Russia and served Red Russia.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 28 November 2017 18: 06 New
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                The official representative of the People’s Commissariat in Crimea M. Sultan - Galiev:

                - “... among the executed there were a lot of working elements and people left from Wrangel with a sincere and firm decision to honestly serve the Soviet regime. Particularly great illegibility in this regard was shown by local emergency agencies. “There is almost no family wherever anyone suffers from these executions: one has his father shot, this one has a brother, the third has a son, etc.”
                “Such reckless and cruel terror left an indelibly severe reaction in the minds of the Crimean population. Everyone feels some kind of strong, purely animalistic fear of Soviet workers, some kind of mistrust and deeply hidden anger. ”
          4. Overlock
            Overlock 28 November 2017 12: 52 New
            +1
            Do you believe grandfather Lenin?
            Not interested what number he called? Read Lenin.
            “Now in the Crimea 300 bourgeoisie. This is the source of future speculation, espionage, all help to the capitalists. But we are not afraid of them. We say that we will take them, distribute, subjugate, digest them. ”
            “I just found out about your offer to Wrangel to surrender. Extremely surprised by the exorbitant compliance conditions. If the enemy accepts them, then it is necessary to really ensure the capture of the fleet and not to release a single vessel. If the enemy does not accept these conditions, then, in my opinion, you can no longer repeat them and you need to deal with it mercilessly. "
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 28 November 2017 18: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Overlock
              If the enemy does not accept these conditions, then, in my opinion, you can no longer repeat them and you need to deal with it mercilessly. "

              And?
              Frunze gave a telegram to Wrangel about the conditions of surrender, Wrangel little concealed it from his subordinates, but in fact threw them, so what are you doing here to shadow the wattle fence?
              FRONT TEAM'S ADDRESS TO THE Wrangell SUGGESTED TO STOP RESISTANCE
              November 11, 1920
              Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the South of Russia, General Wrangel.
              In view of the apparent futility of further resistance of your troops, threatening only with the shedding of excess blood flows, I suggest that you stop resistance and surrender with all the troops of the army and navy, military stocks, equipment, weapons and all kinds of military equipment.
              If you accept the aforementioned proposal, the Revolutionary Military Council of the armies of the Southern Front, on the basis of the powers granted to it by the central Soviet power, guarantees surrender, including up to senior officers, of complete forgiveness for all misconduct related to the civil struggle. All those who do not want to stay and work in socialist Russia will be given the opportunity to freely go abroad, provided that, with their honest words, they refuse to continue the struggle against worker-peasant Russia and Soviet power. I expect an answer until 24 hours on November 11. *)
              The moral responsibility for all possible consequences in case of rejection of an honest offer being made will fall on you.
              Commander of the Southern Front Mikhail Frunze.
              Members of the Revolutionary Council.
              TsGASA, f. 101, och 1, d. 36, pp. 134-Autograph. M.V. Frunze. **) *) In the documents erroneously - December. **) No signatures, published in the book “M. V. Frunze on the fronts of the Civil War ”, pp. 439-440.
              You have not yet WALKED TO REFERRING .. I WILL THEN YOU FROM HIS SCRIPTURE I WILL BRING HIS SAME words about the atrocities of the Whites.
              I am reading an article by a modern author in (“AiF” 43 (1). The author is Valentina Oberemko. Article about M.V. Frunze and, of course, about the Crimean events, too. The article is called "Romantic Bolshevik."

              And here is what the author of this article writes: “Once, because of the romantic nature of Frunze, several hundred thousand people died. During the military operations in the Crimea, he had a beautiful idea: “But what if we invite white officers to surrender in exchange for a pardon?” Frunze formally turned to Wrangel: "Whoever wants to will leave Russia without hindrance."
              And then the author of the article passes the floor to Vladimir Vozilov, candidate of historical sciences, director of the Shuysky Museum named after Frunze. “Then Frunze’s promise was believed by about 200 thousand officers. - says V. Vozilov. “But Lenin and Trotsky ordered them destroyed.” Frunze refused to obey the order and was removed from command of the Southern Front. "
              This learned husband would explain to us how in a 30-40 thousandth army there can only be 200 thousand officers.
              And then. This is what it turns out, what army was at the time of the surrender of Crimea from Wrangel, if they counted 200 thousand officers alone, not counting soldiers, according to mythmakers.
              And 200 thousand are only those who “believed” Frunze and surrendered.
              And how many hundreds of thousands did not give up, did not "believe"?

              And if for every officer in the subordination there were at least four to five soldiers, it turns out that Wrangel had no less than a millionth army. Such an army is not to be saved in the Crimea, but you can go to Moscow. After all, Denikin with much less force went to Moscow.
              But that is not all. Further, the author of the article "Romantic Bolshevik" also connects Zinaida Borisova, head of the Samara House-Museum M.V. to myth creation. Frunze. “These officers were executed in a terrible way,” Z. Borisova continues. “They were built on the seashore, each hung a stone on his neck and shot in the back of the head.”

              Imagine a picture: 200 thousand people were built on the seashore and everyone needs to tie a stone to his neck and shoot him in the back of the head. This is how many people need to be involved in this, how many ropes, ropes, etc. need to be prepared for hanging stones. And what kind of psyche you need to have in order to shoot so many people.
              That's about it, and anti-Soviet "black" myths are composed! And seemingly respectable people with advanced degrees.
              And the liberal media convince us totally and continuously that these gossip, rumors and jokes are supposedly the very real historical truth that was hidden from us in the Soviet Union.
              Millions of people read and believe such liberal tales.

              Source: P.N. Wrangel. “Notes (November 1916 - November 1920) in two books. Book Two ”on: http://www.magister.msk.ru/library/h...l/vrangel2
              . Htm
          5. Overlock
            Overlock 28 November 2017 18: 16 New
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            In the award list of the head of the Special Department of the Southern Front E.G. Evdokimov, submitted to the Order of the Red Banner of War, it was noted: “During the rout of the army of General Wrangel in Crimea, comrade. Evdokimov with an expedition cleared the Crimean peninsula of the white officers and counterintelligence agents left there for the underground, having seized up to 30 governors, 50 generals, more than 300 colonels, as many counterintelligence officers and a total of up to 12 white elements, than warned of the possibility of the appearance of white gangs in Crimea. "
            Where did the Bolsheviks find so many generals, after all, all on the ship to Constantinople left? Lie commies. as always
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 28 November 2017 18: 59 New
              +1
              Quote: Overlock
              Lie

              Yes, they like you, they always lie and in everything, constantly, from the events in the Crimea to Katyn, and as a result we get trials of our athletes, recall of medals and other disgraces
  10. BAI
    BAI 27 November 2017 10: 01 New
    +4
    By the way, this is bearing fruit. I saw the Internet seriously claim: "Hitler did not commit suicide in 1945. He was captured by American soldiers and Quentin Tarrantino in the movie Inglourious Ki proved it."
    Goebbels' Testament - "The more monstrous the lie, the sooner they will believe in it," no one has canceled.
  11. Overlock
    Overlock 27 November 2017 11: 08 New
    +5
    Quote: Stroporez
    they simply try to find people stupefied by propaganda in pvv, something that doesn’t exist in it and never has been With it, building a social state is not possible in principle.

    since GDP was not going to build a social state, it’s sinful, I thought so at the time of its election, I repent. It is because of social issues that I am against GDP.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 November 2017 11: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Overlock
      so GDP was not going to build a social state,

      Only he does not talk about it!
      But he is positioning himself, or rather, his PR political technologists, like "populist," guy-shirt, "" master ", these people are not aware of the essence of what is happening and purr" they don’t give him "," bad boyars "," if not him, then the cat ", etc. Now the same performance is being prepared for the elections.
      Quote: Overlock
      It is because of social issues that I am against GDP.

      That is, the state in the person of its leadership should be worried and subject to the only task - improving the welfare of the people. Dot!
      Everything else is PR-husk.
      1. Hottabych
        Hottabych 27 November 2017 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        That is, the state in the person of its leadership should be worried and subject to the only task - improving the welfare of the people. Dot!
        Everything else is PR-husk.

        Sorry, of course ... But you will never please the people. Especially like you. Someone will always live better.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 November 2017 12: 16 New
          +5
          Quote: Hottabych
          But you will never please the people. Especially like you

          But I do not have to please, give the people all the social gains of the Soviet government and go in peace.
          Quote: Hottabych
          Someone will always live better.

          But not with a salary of 5 lyam per day!
          1. Hottabych
            Hottabych 27 November 2017 12: 21 New
            +6
            Soviet - looted in the 90s! Chu-chu drove off to the states. As in the 17th year, everything drove away to Europe ...
            And where did you see the state distributed to the people.
            Storyteller you! Moderate your appetite.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 15 New
        +7
        do not tell me how the welfare of the people has improved? Just do not about the increase in cars in the yards, boring.
        -Here Golodets says so: “The poverty that exists and is fixed in the country is the poverty of the working population. This is a unique phenomenon in the social sphere - working poor”
        -A Golikova this way: the number of poor in Russia in the first quarter of 2017 increased by two million people.
        According to Golikova, at the beginning of the year, 22 million people, or 15 percent of the population, were below the poverty line.
        - The Central Bank recorded an increase in overdue debts of Russians to banks. In January, bad debts of individuals increased by 2,1%, while in the corporate sector - by 12,1%.
        -According to Fitch, in total Russians owed banks about 11 trillion rubles last year. And such debtors - about 40 million people, more than half of the economically active population of the country. Able to service its debts - about 8 million.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 27 November 2017 12: 36 New
          +5
          in total, Russians owed banks about 11 trillion rubles last year. And such debtors - about 40 million people
          That's right, and where is this one who forgives everyone his debts, but forgets about the people he controls?
        2. Hottabych
          Hottabych 27 November 2017 12: 37 New
          +3
          Quote: Overlock
          do not tell me how the welfare of the people has improved? Just do not about the increase in cars in the yards, boring.

          And with what time do you compare? I will say for myself. In the 90s the family had nothing to eat. Whoever had the job was not paid there. If not for the cottage - I do not know what it would be. And now, do you have nutritional problems? Just do not about how your neighbor eats - boring!
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 44 New
            +3
            why to yourself? I'm not poor either. Yesterday I bought 1 kg of caviar, myself, children, granddaughter. Not bought for the last. I believe that by the New Year still have to buy.
            "In the morning I smear a sandwich, I think, but as a people ...."
            What's next? What is around, not interesting? We die - how will our children live? Not important?
            Do you not believe the numbers? Prove the opposite, then Golodets, Golikova can be called slanderers. While you look at life from your own refrigerator and car. Wider, wider.
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 27 November 2017 12: 57 New
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              So I say - you have to look at life more broadly. And to work, leaving the economy to economists, politics to politicians, and the army to the military. You spawn caviar on bread or butter, the essence is the same - there is what is. But for the future of children, you need to think and not climb where you do not understand.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 27 November 2017 13: 27 New
                +2
                that's how I work. And if “don’t go where you don’t understand,” then “understanding Medvedev and Co.” will reign, the result of which we have. If you do not understand what is happening, then how to vote? How's your ass?
                And then, what did A.V. Suvorov say?
                “It’s not enough that only the chief commanders be notified of the plan of action. It is also necessary for the younger commanders to have him in mind in order to lead troops in accordance with him. Moreover, even battalion, squadron, company commanders must know him; for the same reason - even non-commissioned officers and privates. Each warrior must understand his maneuver. "
                That's it!
                1. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 27 November 2017 13: 53 New
                  0
                  They knocked everything together. And the great commander was not brought to the topic.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 27 November 2017 21: 09 New
                    +1
                    the whole topic- THINK is for everyone and preferably HEAD. And then you’ll become an asshole, which happens after watching a television box with Kiselyov and Co.
                    1. Hottabych
                      Hottabych 27 November 2017 23: 07 New
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                      Here I am talking about too. We need to think about children and grandchildren and their future. And then return the country to the 90th! The enemies who strangle the country from the outside, just like you want to change our power. You have some common goals! Or do you think that now we will drop these, and there we will promote our own, the most honest and competent ones ... Horseradish you will understand what you are thinking.
                      1. Overlock
                        Overlock 28 November 2017 12: 20 New
                        0
                        Quote: Hottabych
                        that now we’ll drop these, and there we will promote our own, most honest and competent ones ..

                        this will not happen, you can’t even fantasize about this topic. These are forever
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 27 November 2017 17: 25 New
            +1
            Just do not about how your neighbor eats - boring!
            Are you bored about your neighbor, but not about the 90s? Only a person who does not think at all does not understand that in the 90s they broke everything Soviet that the oligarchs would rejoice. You are not talking about the 90s, you tell me what has been done for the people? Medicine, education, pensions. and about nutrition a lie. You really don’t care what milk and sour cream are made of. What cows increased milk yield by 10 times? So there is a lot of meat, and there are fewer cows, what is the meat of?
            Better they began to live! Girls dancing depraved dances, boys repenting for their ancestors. And you measure everything with food! Only animals measure food in the trough ...
            1. Hottabych
              Hottabych 27 November 2017 18: 11 New
              +1
              Well, you, the gardamarine and mixed here. They dragged the boy, animals with a trough. Nobody says that we do not want to live better. I gave you a comparison with the 90s how people lived. How skinheads walked around in SS uniforms. When there is something to devour, a person thinks of a higher, and when there is no food, then a person cannot think of anything else. And do not dissemble, talking about animals with a trough. I would have looked at you when your family had nothing to eat ?! You would no longer be interested in how to get food!
              And most importantly, I do not understand - what do you want to achieve Nov, that you feel so bad?
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 27 November 2017 20: 26 New
                +1
                when your family had nothing to eat ?!
                Eh, at least what do you want? Mom told me about childhood. The father died and she remained the senior assistant for his mother, for the rest were even smaller. It was hard. There is still an authorized last goat from the yard brought. It would seem that the Communists should hate. But in 1996 she voted for Zyuganov.
                And do not consider yourself smarter than others about the 90s, you all say, so that the current liberal in power is justified. Only in our town all the enterprises and collective farms were covered precisely in the zero ones. And the town is small, so no one in the 90s was starving. But the fact that the current ones, for example, Sobyanin says that 1 million is bothering him. This is serious. About this, even in the 90s did not say.
                1. Hottabych
                  Hottabych 27 November 2017 20: 57 New
                  0
                  Quote: Gardamir
                  And do not consider yourself smarter than others

                  Did I write about this? Maybe you thought so? )
                  But please answer me! What do you still want? Change of power? Or just pop .. how hard is it to live?
                  1. Gardamir
                    Gardamir 28 November 2017 08: 19 New
                    +1
                    Change of power? Or just pop .. how hard is it to live?
                    one sentence will not answer. It is difficult or easy, the matter of priorities, someone car loan in the yard for joy. Only the dictates of money turned out to be more abrupt than the dictates of ideology in the Union. So a simple change of power will not achieve anything. Zyuganov will follow Putin’s path. It is not ideology that needs to be changed, but ideology. Now there is one ideology for the country. Loot at any cost, even at the cost of losing sovereignty and concessions.
                    1. Hottabych
                      Hottabych 28 November 2017 11: 30 New
                      0
                      Here I agree with you.
                2. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 28 November 2017 00: 19 New
                  +1
                  didn’t they say? But what did Chubaisik say about superfluous people who did not fit into the market?
  12. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 27 November 2017 11: 10 New
    +6
    Quote: Finches
    I will support exactly the current rate and specifically GDP,

    One of the members of the Legislative Assembly of St. Petersburg talked about his conversation with Putin when he was in the Sobchak team in the 90s. As a result of the conversation, they did not agree and left, Putin annoyed three times, like wings, flapped his arms and repeated three times: "Grandmas must be done, grandmas must be done, grandmas must be done!".
  13. Overlock
    Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: 16112014nk
    Putin annoyed three times, like wings, flapped his arms and repeated three times: "Grandmas must be done, grandmas must be done, grandmas must be done!".

    well said. And nationwide? !!!!!!!!!!!!! How many!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  14. Overlock
    Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Hottabych
    Someone will always live better.

    ok when - you
  15. Finches
    Finches 27 November 2017 12: 42 New
    +3
    MrK,
    Still easier on the turns, a simple Russian man! I will read on the basis of my life experience, education and the current worldview without moral advice ... besides, rudeness was never honored by a real simple Russian man! hi
  16. Overlock
    Overlock 27 November 2017 12: 48 New
    +5
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    that you cannot reconcile with the killers of your people.

    and whites were who? French people? And who were the red ones? Germans?
    All of them were RUSSIAN! Prove the opposite!
  17. Overlock
    Overlock 27 November 2017 13: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: Vasily50
    Why should the tears of the nobles be understood by the peasants due to whom they * lived thinly felt * and * experienced a lot *?

    in today's manner:
    why dying children without medical assistance, poor people should understand the fattening power, the problems of Vasilyeva and Serdyukov?
    In my opinion is consonant, do not find?
  18. Gardamir
    Gardamir 27 November 2017 13: 21 New
    +1
    By the way, so that the alternative does not replace very real life, I invite you to express your opinion
    https://www.leftfront.org/candidate2018/
    1. Lnglr
      Lnglr 27 November 2017 17: 15 New
      +1
      Both leaders are worthy candidates
      Thanks for the link
  19. Radikal
    Radikal 27 November 2017 15: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Finches
    I have never been to the opposite camp! Our argument with you came down to the fact that I am against any shocks, since today no revolution is possible or even harmful! The current political regime with GDP is the best that can be at the moment ... And in general, from the theory - a revolution is impossible without the broad participation of the masses - and the socialist idea has no support for the masses today! And that means there’s nothing to shake the air - you need to evolve within the framework of the model chosen today - other ways, I repeat, today, for Russia does not exist! Rather, they exist, but they are all destructive, nowhere! hi

    By the way, your rating in this comment is 7, and Stroporez has 17 - this already indicates that even on the site we have more than you! lol
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 November 2017 15: 56 New
      +4
      This is very good .... but in the year, if you hit a little fiction in 1938, I, you, Stroporez and 90% of VO would dig Belomorkanal, during Brezhnev’s time, we would discuss with you from neighboring wards of psychiatric hospitals, horror, waiting for the next injection of haloperidol, and Stroporez would be the first in line ...., and under Western democracy Yeltsin, some of us on the site would not be in everything ... and in the West we would not be printed. ..! You see how free we are today ?! And this is Putin today hi
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 27 November 2017 16: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        This is very good .... but in the year, if you hit a little fiction in 1938, I, you, Stroporez and 90% of VO would dig Belomorkanal, during Brezhnev’s time, we would discuss with you from neighboring wards of psychiatric hospitals, horror, waiting for the next injection of haloperidol, and Stroporez would be the first in line ....,

        Pass there, to whom it is necessary, Stroporez against wassat
      2. ver_
        ver_ 2 December 2017 11: 14 New
        +1
        ..and don't you think that big shoulder straps can do the weather - one click and not one plus ..?
    2. Hottabych
      Hottabych 27 November 2017 21: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: Radikal
      By the way, your rating in this comment is 7, and Stroporez has 17 - this already indicates that even on the site we have more than you!

      It just means that you are on the site more ...)))
  20. vvvjak
    vvvjak 27 November 2017 15: 49 New
    +3
    Quote: Overlock
    The term "concentration camp", the very phrase "concentration camps" appeared in documents signed by Vladimir Lenin.

    Read about the Boer War in Africa. You will be surprised at where the English held the Boers.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 27 November 2017 21: 16 New
      +1
      is Russia already Africa? Nakoy us Africa, if at home madhouse?
  21. Mestny
    Mestny 27 November 2017 16: 54 New
    -1
    Quote: SOF
    I just wanted to say that we poured enough blood to each other. Everyone had a snout in fluff. One myrrh oiled. Until we find a common language, every flea from abroad will bite us.

    "Boy Kolya"? You?
    1. SOF
      SOF 28 November 2017 07: 47 New
      0
      "Boy Kolya"? You?

      ... if I'm Boy Kolya, then you dunce
      Is going? On that and write?
  22. gavrila2984
    gavrila2984 27 November 2017 17: 17 New
    0
    [quote = Overlock] The term "concentration camp", the very phrase "concentration camps" appeared in documents signed by Vladimir Lenin.
    Only the Spaniards and the British do not talk about it. They do not need to remember the war for the independence of Cuba and the Boer Anglo.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 27 November 2017 21: 17 New
      0
      Are we discussing Cuba or the history of Russia?
  23. samarin1969
    samarin1969 27 November 2017 18: 36 New
    +2
    "Give us more Bondarchuk parvuses, Mironov-Lenin and Khabensky-Trotsky. We will believe that it was these clowns who once shook the world." - Well, if you remove the buffoons from the list ... then the truth - really "once shook the world. ... Evil flawed people, people far from Russia, all these Lenin-parvus-Kerensky-chkheidze-Trotsky-azephs-sv
    Yerdlovs and their name is Legion ... It is difficult to understand the pathological admiration for them, as if the people of the Motherland, ancestors and historical memory do not have it.
  24. midshipman
    midshipman 27 November 2017 19: 39 New
    +3
    Dear Sergey Kredov, you missed the phrase: “sea to sailors” in Ludendorf’s instructions to Lenin. The Baltic sailors insisted on this very much and asked the Germans to take this into account when teaching Lenin. I have the honor.
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 27 November 2017 21: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Finches
    This is very good .... but in the year, if you hit a little fiction in 1938, I, you, Stroporez and 90% of VO would dig Belomorkanal, during Brezhnev’s time, we would discuss with you from neighboring wards of psychiatric hospitals, horror, waiting for the next injection of haloperidol, and Stroporez would be the first in line ...., and under Western democracy Yeltsin, some of us on the site would not be in everything ... and in the West we would not be printed. ..! You see how free we are today ?! And this is Putin today hi

    In the years you indicated, we basically would not have most of the topics and subjects of discussion! Am I making myself clear? laughing
    1. Finches
      Finches 27 November 2017 22: 12 New
      +1
      So do not have to guess how it would not be, if how it would be! We need to live the realities of today! hi
    2. dSK
      dSK 28 November 2017 00: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Radikal
      Am I making myself clear?

      More than clear: "no man no problem".
  26. Radikal
    Radikal 27 November 2017 22: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Finches
    So do not have to guess how it would not be, if how it would be! We need to live the realities of today! hi

    You do not bring down a sore head - it was you who began to wonder what would happen to us in Soviet times if ...! sad
  27. Radikal
    Radikal 28 November 2017 02: 10 New
    0
    Quote: dsk
    Quote: Radikal
    Am I making myself clear?

    More than clear: "no man no problem".

    These are your words - my words are completely different. tongue
  28. ver_
    ver_ 28 November 2017 08: 49 New
    0
    Quote: Galleon
    No, I would not go. And who went with Krasnov?
    That’s the truth of this - both dishonest ones themselves and others, for the slightest reason, try to smear dishonor. it’s nasty to write in 3 seconds, and it doesn’t give a class feeling to remember that our emigrants participated in the French Resistance. Meanness to do and speak - gives, but to admit the truth - does not! That is why I hate political workers since Soviet times. According to the genes, you see, it was transmitted.

    ... a man is a grain of sand in a whirlpool of events, and to which * shore * he * will be * killed * - this is how life’s cards will fall ..
  29. Altona
    Altona 28 November 2017 11: 54 New
    0
    Quote: Finches
    I have never been to the opposite camp! Our dispute with you has come down to the fact that I am against any upheavals, since today no revolution is possible or even harmful! The current political regime with GDP is the best that can be at the moment ... And in general, from the theory - a revolution is impossible without the broad participation of the masses - and today the socialist idea has no support for the broad masses!

    --------------------------------
    1) Shocks occur regardless of someone else's Wishlist. Mine, yours, someone else's, it does not matter.
    2) The people so far want a “light revolution” from above, from Putin: to cut off the Wishlist of officials and oligarchs; start finally financing their own industry, not the “stability” of the US dollar.
    3) The impetus for the revolution is a sharp deterioration in the situation of ordinary people, the so-called "working masses".
    4) The demand for the left idea is very large, because in the province the situation of ordinary people is deplorable. Especially in small towns and villages.
    5) We need a powerful left organized movement that can immediately pick up the fallen power.
  30. Overlock
    Overlock 28 November 2017 18: 24 New
    0
    Quote: mrark
    Abramenko worked for 30 years in the USSR Prosecutor's Office - he was engaged in exactly the business that today stigmatizes. Here is such a fighter for the truth.

    and you did not like the prosecutor's office of the USSR? I wonder why? Maybe you had questions? But she is far from the current Russian Prosecutor’s Office. The scale is not the same, the figures are not the same.
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  32. Overlock
    Overlock 29 November 2017 11: 27 New
    0
    Quote: long in stock.
    something about the atrocities of these rebels you are silent ..

    you really are on a frying pan- turn around and turn around. Either there is no Order — I found it and poked it in your nose, then they didn’t shoot — I found that they shot, then we didn’t hit — and it’s good that we didn’t. Go for everything, just to not agree. Do you consider yourself the last istanza?
    But in fact, you could not refute anything, only general words and sighs.
    I’m big on the bill and on the field marshal and on you, on the drum.
    But how hooked you are! Do not worry, he was spanked correctly. Stalin was right.
    And yet, you butted your moralizing. If you don’t want to listen to someone else’s opinion, don’t; Would you go to a known address? Far, far ..
    Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pigeon. He will throw the pieces, put on the board and fly away to tell everyone how he paid you.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 29 November 2017 12: 40 New
      +1
      the fact that he was slapped, I don’t regret it. there was something for that. there was no order, I never said. so again, by the topic. which is not surprising. don’t believe you even more on the drum. there weren’t such people on the site take it. and you will disappear. if you get it, you don’t get it to you. for that episode who thought and how. to listen to someone else’s opinion, yes please. only it should be in the person, you don’t have it. there is a chatter from behind the hillock. in fact it’s not your opinion, but Melgunova. so you’re not even a dove, but a parrot. repeating other people's words is not meaningful but opening the beak so cleanly ... a person can be a staunch enemy, but I have my own opinion and I will listen and argue with him. a person who has no opinion to communicate below my dignity. like most people, by the way ..
  33. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 29 November 2017 13: 31 New
    0
    In any normal society, quoting a burkina-faso is a sign of bad taste.
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  35. your1970
    your1970 30 November 2017 13: 56 New
    +1
    long in stock.,
    -what can be the victims of 59 three-inch shells when shooting in the woods without observation ??? the weight of the shell is 6,35 - how much could be "suffocating" NOT sarina / soman / vi-xa - and a maximum of mustard gas? In addition, when fired, people tend to scatter in different directions - which also sharply reduces the likelihood of poisoning due to lower density of people. So to say - “poisoned” is incorrect, the probability of killing people is NORMAL (not gas!) shelling HE / shrapnel was much higher.
    It is quite possible that this is exactly what was meant when choosing shells - to create mass panic and expel from the forests. The soldiers of the WWI already told about the use of gases and the severity of such a danger in the villages - and people, seeing weak breaks and incomprehensible turbidity / fumes - will raise wave: "We will all be poisoned !!", "We must leave the forest, we will be poisoned !!" and begin to leave the forests en masse ..
    I think it could work - and much more effective than firing grenades at areas with zero effect.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 30 November 2017 16: 29 New
      0
      so terrible orders were issued for that. it’s for fear. but liberoids cannot be explained ... here it is ...
  36. Veter_73
    Veter_73 2 December 2017 12: 33 New
    +1
    Thanks to the author! Clearly and with humor, these Judas ridiculed.
  37. Dancing gryzli
    Dancing gryzli 3 December 2017 16: 01 New
    0
    Test trolling. Although about the actors, "do not shoot the pianist, he plays as best he can."