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Russia is ready to create a military base in the Red Sea

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First Deputy Chairman of the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security, Franz Klintsevich, said that Russia was ready to create a military base in Sudan in case of receiving an official proposal. However, he noted that similar proposals may follow from other countries "in the foreseeable future"


Russia is ready to create a military base in the Red Sea


It is clear that the decision to establish a Russian military base in the Red Sea in Sudan will be taken by Vladimir Putin as supreme commander, but I personally see no reason why Russia can reject the proposal of the Sudanese side, if one follows. In my opinion, the military presence of our country on a permanent basis in this region will play an exceptionally stabilizing role.
- said Klintsevich in an interview with RIA News.

Recall 23 November in Sochi, negotiations were held between the leaders of Russia and Sudan, during which Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir, in particular, raised questions about military-technical cooperation and a military base.

We are also concerned about the situation in the Red Sea. We believe that US intervention in these issues is also a problem. And we would like to discuss this issue in terms of the use of bases in the Red Sea.
- declared Omar al-Bashir.

Later, the Sudanese leader clarified that during the last talks, he discussed the possibility of creating a military base in the Red Sea, first with the Russian president and then with the defense minister.
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  1. Tusv
    Tusv 25 November 2017 16: 54 New
    14
    Not any whim for your money
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 25 November 2017 16: 56 New
      20
      The Red Sea is a priori ours smile
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 25 November 2017 17: 00 New
        10
        Quote: Thrall
        The Red Sea is a priori ours

        Who's arguing? But you have to clean up drinks
        1. Going
          Going 25 November 2017 17: 13 New
          18
          We believe that US interference in these issues is also a problem. And we would like to discuss this issue in terms of the use of bases on the Red Sea
          - declared Omar al-Bashir.


          At the request of the workers, why not.
          1. sedoj
            sedoj 25 November 2017 19: 14 New
            +2
            It looks like head bumping.
            1. Going
              Going 25 November 2017 19: 47 New
              10
              You don't have to go head-on, you can dodge.
              1. Arzoo
                Arzoo 25 November 2017 20: 33 New
                +7
                Not any whim for your money

                As I understand it, they are not just asking, but offering some profitable business. Why not. That's just an ambush with the fleet, yes. Well, I think they will transfer something from the Black Sea Fleet.
                1. bulvas
                  bulvas 26 November 2017 09: 17 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Thrall
                  The Red Sea is a priori ours smile



                  The Red Sea is the main competitor to the Northern Sea Route
      2. 210ox
        210ox 25 November 2017 17: 09 New
        18
        To this sea, we a priori need a fleet and transport aviation ... But with the fleet, we are still straining ... We are driving two dozen ships around the world ..
        Quote: Thrall
        The Red Sea is a priori ours smile
        1. Jedi
          Jedi 25 November 2017 18: 07 New
          11
          And no one had the idea that this was all inspired by the United States? The costs of creation, arrangement, etc. etc. etc. sad
          1. Dashout
            Dashout 25 November 2017 18: 57 New
            12
            Yes, it’s getting numb, probably ... they’re riding the Red Sea on aircraft carriers like bicycles at home. We will be very unpleasant there ...
            1. Jedi
              Jedi 25 November 2017 19: 06 New
              +5
              hi Maybe so. But itching in my area of ​​the organ responsible for the scent ...
              1. Going
                Going 25 November 2017 19: 48 New
                11
                You can start with a minimum, and then navigate through the play.
                1. Jedi
                  Jedi 25 November 2017 19: 59 New
                  +6
                  Breaking the US scenario is our pleasure! wink
                  1. Going
                    Going 25 November 2017 20: 21 New
                    +9
                    Where they spend 10 dollars. , a penny is enough for us.
                    1. Jedi
                      Jedi 25 November 2017 20: 33 New
                      +5
                      This is the root: everyone will be judged according to their needs and merit. Not by me said, not written by me and not on paper ...
                      1. Going
                        Going 25 November 2017 20: 45 New
                        +8
                        Let them fork out and try to buy the farthest, and we will win with a simple human attitude.
                  2. Arzoo
                    Arzoo 25 November 2017 20: 34 New
                    +8
                    So the client takes over the costs, as I understand it, he did not come empty-handed. It seems that he ordered an atomic power station, he will buy grain and put it into oil.
                    1. Jedi
                      Jedi 25 November 2017 20: 41 New
                      +4
                      We will see, dear Arzoo. yes
                    2. Going
                      Going 25 November 2017 20: 46 New
                      11
                      Quote: Arzoo
                      So the client takes over the costs, as I understand it, he did not come empty-handed. It seems that he ordered an atomic power station, he will buy grain and put it into oil.


                      Namely, our joint investments require protection.
                    3. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 21: 14 New
                      10
                      Quote: Arzoo
                      So the client takes over the costs, as I understand it, he did not come empty-handed. It seems that he ordered an atomic power station, he will buy grain and put it into oil.

                      Costs? Sudan?! laughing
                      1. serriy
                        serriy 26 November 2017 01: 36 New
                        +5
                        I join. It's funny to me too. It would be - they draw us into "something" !!!
                        "The client bears the costs" - "the NPP has ordered", and "they will buy grain". bully laughing
                        There is also poverty and hunger!
                        And what base can there be in a restless country!?!?!? There is a civil war! From there the Americans fled (the film "the fall of the black hawk", it seems so called). From there, the UN troops fled! negative
                        WHAT BASE IN SOMALIA !? fool fool
                        WHERE!?
                  3. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 25 November 2017 21: 38 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Jedi
                    Breaking the US scenario is our pleasure!

                    Hi, Max!
                    hi
                    We had a technical supply base for the Soviet Navy on Socotra.
                    It's time to come back.

                    It will be hotter in Sudan. But until Syria 1 hours of flight.
                    1. Seraphimamur
                      Seraphimamur 26 November 2017 05: 18 New
                      0
                      Why fly to Syria when our troops are already there?
                      1. stalkerwalker
                        stalkerwalker 26 November 2017 12: 43 New
                        +4
                        Logistics and communications ....
          2. Orionvit
            Orionvit 25 November 2017 22: 33 New
            +1
            Quote: Jedi
            The costs of creation, arrangement, etc. etc. etc.

            Here are the "Star Wars" yes, they were inspired by the United States, that's where it was expensive. And the base, in comparison with the "world revolution", is a penny. lol
          3. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 26 November 2017 00: 20 New
            +6
            In the 80s, the CIA calculated that the continued construction of Class 1 ships would finally undermine the USSR budget. And threw through the "traitor" of the fleet officer blueprints for a steam catapult for an aircraft carrier. The Reagan Doctrine: to drag the USSR into an expensive arms race, but avoid a military conflict. It worked.
            1. ASG7
              ASG7 26 November 2017 15: 49 New
              +2
              Why are Jews most worried about Russians?
          4. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 26 November 2017 00: 42 New
            +5
            Quote: Jedi
            And no one had the idea that this was all inspired by the United States?

            Duc, initially - yes. yes In the same way, they inspired the annexation of Crimea to Russia. Namely: this is the result of the mattress policy, from which half the world is already shying away. Well, the Sudanese government is adequately assessing the situation.
          5. Seal
            Seal 27 November 2017 18: 14 New
            +1
            Do you think that the Americans are interested in our missiles approaching Diego Garcia?
      3. Hammerlock
        Hammerlock 25 November 2017 18: 13 New
        0
        is our? Did you forget to ask the Saudis? sad
        1. ando_bor
          ando_bor 25 November 2017 18: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: Hammerlock
          Did you forget to ask the Saudis?

          The king came, he did not come empty-handed, maybe he brought the Red Sea,
          - does he really think to get off with three billion - then there will be no order in the Kingdom.
      4. Primoos
        Primoos 25 November 2017 18: 21 New
        +6
        That is why mattress spawns. And this is just the beginning!
      5. Maz
        Maz 25 November 2017 19: 53 New
        +2
        But what about Eilat and Israel? Cars will rise in price again in the promised land. And perhaps gasoline too
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: Tusv
      Not any whim for your money

      For yours, for yours. And for whose else? what
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 25 November 2017 17: 04 New
        +6
        And you still have not guessed? winked
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 13 New
          +5
          Quote: Thrall
          And you still have not guessed? winked

          You’ll come from them, yeah. laughing
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 25 November 2017 17: 08 New
        11
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Tusv
        Not any whim for your money

        For yours, for yours. And for whose else? what

        Ummm ... how dull ... laughing
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 25 November 2017 17: 43 New
        +1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        For yours, for yours. And for whose else?

        This formula is at my expense, But for your money. no one canceled drinks
      4. Silkway0026
        Silkway0026 25 November 2017 17: 58 New
        +6
        Yes, that's right, we are always for ours. This God-chosen ones are bred on the handouts of the SGA, Germany and all the rest, who were able to hang noodles on their ears about stoves with incredible productivity and other troubles that for some reason bypassed other nations ... And other nations do not need to pay for it, but only them.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 November 2017 18: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Silkway0026
          Yes, that's right, we are always for ours. This God-chosen ones are bred on the handouts of the SGA, Germany and all the rest, who were able to hang noodles on their ears about stoves with incredible productivity and other troubles that for some reason bypassed other nations ... And other nations do not need to pay for it, but only them.

          Monya is not proud, Monya drinks to his ...
          Germany - You are unlikely to compensate for the value of property taken from one average family of German Jews with all the earnings in your entire life. And they squeezed all over Europe - from French, Belgian, Austrian, Dutch, etc. Jews.
          About stoves - there were trials on this topic in Western Europe, the authors of books denying the Holocaust lost their courts after expert opinions on the capacity of the stoves as well.
          The United States has its own interest in helping Israel - if the Jews were worthless - grandmothers would not invest in them.
          And personally, your material contribution to the construction of the base of the Russian Armed Forces anywhere is very doubtful - you are unlikely to be a major taxpayer.
          1. Silkway0026
            Silkway0026 25 November 2017 18: 50 New
            +8
            1. It's time to change the flag.
            2. Did the court hearings of Jewish experts? (recalls experts proving the Americans’ flights to the moon)
            3.my contribution is my contribution, I managed to build something then, and now I'm not evading. It’s a pity that he didn’t feed the horse.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 25 November 2017 18: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: Silkway0026
              1. It's time to change the flag.
              2. Did the court hearings of Jewish experts? (recalls experts proving the Americans’ flights to the moon)
              3.my contribution is my contribution, I managed to build something then, and now I'm not evading. It’s a pity that he didn’t feed the horse.

              The city of Krasnodar, where I live, is located in the Russian Federation. And Russia, as far as I know, has not changed its flag yet.
              The experts were independent - you can't bribe for an amount of 20 thousand rubles or more. West, sir.
              Are you a developer? Toda, yes, losses ... And we're talking about taxes.
              1. Silkway0026
                Silkway0026 25 November 2017 19: 13 New
                +6
                1. Krasnodar know every week there. But the flag must be changed.
                2. Independent experts ... Is the West a sacred cow for you? Sometimes naivety borders on dullness (for some people, not necessarily for you)
                3. Not a builder. I pay taxes, but it’s often incomprehensible for what purpose - to keep senators?
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 November 2017 21: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Silkway0026
                  1. Krasnodar know every week there. But the flag must be changed.
                  2. Independent experts ... Is the West a sacred cow for you? Sometimes naivety borders on dullness (for some people, not necessarily for you)
                  3. Not a builder. I pay taxes, but it’s often incomprehensible for what purpose - to keep senators?

                  1. Are you for the separation of Krasnodar from Russia ??
                  Or for changing the national flag? :)
                  2. Lived in Israel, lived in Germany I do not idialize. But you will bribe the expert appointed by the court of figs - you have a lawsuit, I know.
                  3. Well, not only senators ... power structures, shitty ones, but medicine, etc.
                  1. Silkway0026
                    Silkway0026 26 November 2017 18: 31 New
                    +3
                    . Lived in Israel, lived in Germany


                    I know these in Germany. There are "God-chosen" freeloaders sitting on the neck of the German people under the mock of a lohokosta, enough.
                    And in Israel, the Jews - at home? So check the box corresponding. In full accordance with beliefs. I explain the third day.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 26 November 2017 20: 00 New
                      0
                      Quote: Silkway0026
                      . Lived in Israel, lived in Germany


                      I know these in Germany. There are "God-chosen" freeloaders sitting on the neck of the German people under the mock of a lohokosta, enough.
                      And in Israel, the Jews - at home? So check the box corresponding. In full accordance with beliefs. I explain the third day.

                      No, I worked in Germany :)
                      And I would not have enough social services for three days of life at the level of expenses that were, tk. he kept his family in the Russian Federation and often had to fly to Tel Aviv on business.
                      In Israel, yes, he lived in his homeland.
                      About beliefs - a Russian does not mean anti-Putin, Holocaust denier and anti-Semite :)
                      So the flag is here not only in terms of geography - if you mean beliefs.
                      1. Dashout
                        Dashout 27 November 2017 10: 27 New
                        +3
                        If your homeland is Israel, then what are you doing here (in Russia, on the site). Live the interests of your country on its websites, on its territory .. What are you broadcasting here about your life and your views?
              2. Neputin
                Neputin 25 November 2017 19: 15 New
                +4
                Listen, Krasndar, what do you consider money in someone else's pocket? It's just even indecent. Not only that, I think. that 13% of tax on 20 thousand salaries is much more "painful" than 50% of 20 million in income for some. Don't you think? Do not take us "weakly". We have long worn out such people in our area (by the way, in Krasnodar) as a class.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 25 November 2017 23: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Neputin
                  Listen, Krasndar, what do you consider money in someone else's pocket? It's just even indecent. Not only that, I think. that 13% of tax on 20 thousand salaries is much more "painful" than 50% of 20 million in income for some. Don't you think? Do not take us "weakly". We have long worn out such people in our area (by the way, in Krasnodar) as a class.

                  I don’t count money in someone else’s pocket, I just don’t like those who yell. WE PAY for all of Russia.
                  I do not belong to those who take on the weak (who are you, by the way?).
                  And in what area of ​​Krasnodar who was tortured as a class?
                  Chicago 30s? )))))))
                  1. Karen
                    Karen 26 November 2017 21: 12 New
                    0
                    Krasnodar, but the truth was written in the "Young Guard" from 91, that in Israel there is no one to drink with - there are only Jews around?
                    Are you all teetotalers, or is it like prohibition in Chicago in the 30s? :) Joke :)
      5. Primoos
        Primoos 25 November 2017 18: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: Tusv
        Not any whim for your money

        For yours, for yours. And for whose else? what

        Katz offers to save money?
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 25 November 2017 19: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Primoos
          Katz offers to save money?

          Katz is only shell-shocked, but already says that he needs a Russian roof bully
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 25 November 2017 17: 17 New
      +8
      We already have White and Black. Red won't hurt. Only the Yellow of the colored ones will remain. laughing
      1. Going
        Going 25 November 2017 17: 34 New
        +9
        Quote: siberalt
        Only the Yellow of the colored ones will remain. laughing


        This will be more difficult. lol , and whether it is necessary.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 25 November 2017 17: 57 New
        +2
        Quote: siberalt
        Only the Yellow of the colored ones will remain.

        It's easy with the Yellow Sea, bungling Eskimo, give Mr. SI and swim as much as you like. Eh, I understand what I am missing. Ice for 5 kopecks and Eskimo for 20. Capitalists have not been able to repeat the technology in 25 years
      3. Galleon
        Galleon 25 November 2017 23: 19 New
        +4
        The yellow was already there. There were Port Arthur and Dalny.
    4. kapitan92
      kapitan92 25 November 2017 21: 04 New
      +6
      Quote: Tusv
      Not any whim for your money

      Only a dumb one can suggest the creation of a Russian Navy base in the Red Sea!
      For, given the geographical location, the presence of nearby bases of "sworn partners" and shallow water, it will be destroyed in the first hour of time "h".
      1. DV Coms
        DV Coms 26 November 2017 03: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: kapitan92
        For, given the geographical location, the presence of nearby bases of "sworn partners" and shallow water, it will be destroyed in the first hour of time "h".

        There is no point in keeping the fleet in the Red Sea, and no one is talking about it. But having a military base there will allow us to control oil transport flows from the BV to Europe, to have BMTS and to have a greater influence on politics in this region. Well, in the case of time "h" a lot of things will be mutually destroyed. To be afraid of wolves - do not go to the forest.
        1. YURI OTOPKOV
          YURI OTOPKOV 26 November 2017 15: 48 New
          +1
          We already had a base on the Dahlak archipelago (Ethiopia) in the Red Sea! In 1985, we went to P.L., it was very hot there +50 in the shade! I don't know the further fate of the base!
      2. kirgiz58
        kirgiz58 26 November 2017 08: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: kapitan92
        it will be destroyed in the first hour of time "h".

        Quote: kapitan92
        Quote: Tusv
        Not any whim for your money

        Only a dumb one can suggest the creation of a Russian Navy base in the Red Sea!
        For, given the geographical location, the presence of nearby bases of "sworn partners" and shallow water, it will be destroyed in the first hour of time "h".

        But during this time she will have time to pay us "partners" decently. But this is not the main thing. The main thing is that up to an hour "h" so much blood will spoil the "partners" as much as they will erase their teeth from anger to the gums. And this can not understand "not stupid"?
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 26 November 2017 11: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: kirgiz58
          But during this time she will have time to pay us "partners" decently.

          How? The Strait and the Gulf of Aden will be blocked by mines, and this will be done remotely and in a short period of time.
          Quote: kirgiz58
          The main thing is that up to an hour "h" so much blood will spoil the "partners" as much as they will erase their teeth from anger to the gums.

          laughing laughing
          Quote: kirgiz58
          And this can not understand "not stupid"?

          Study the materiel! 4 lines of mine barriers were installed by the Germans in the Gulf of Finland in the Second World War, effectively blocking our fleet in the bases.
          "There is so little hope of returning,
          it's better not to think about it. "


          From the entries in the navigator's diary
          one of the submarines
          killed during the war ...
          1. kirgiz58
            kirgiz58 26 November 2017 13: 12 New
            +5
            Quote: kapitan92
            Study the materiel! 4 lines of mine barriers were installed by the Germans in the Gulf of Finland in the Second World War, effectively blocking our fleet in the bases.

            "Generals are always preparing for the last war" (c). Good morning, Comrade sofa (forum) general (you will definitely). laughing Remote minelayers are also destroyed remotely (no one is going to crawl close to the hoe), I speak like a sofa special. smile How to feed? There are many ways. For example; 1. Until the time "H" (that is, in peacetime) to REB all passing (about allies) and passing (about "partners") and radio reconnaissance of the same. Specialists will tell you how and what (I am a tanker, I can load into the board any floating from the bushes up to 5 km. smile) That will cause the cruellest butthirt from the "partners".
            2. The Brest Fortress is also not large in size, but after the "h" time it kept the fascists for a long time. So the base, depending on what to equip it there, the missilemen and gunners have the means. So it's not all that bad, "the glass is half full" (c).
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 26 November 2017 14: 26 New
              +4
              Quote: kirgiz58
              "Generals are always preparing for the last war" (c). I wish you good health, comrade. sofa (forum) general (you will definitely)

              At least the stars could be counted and learned! lol
              Quote: kirgiz58
              So the base, depending on what to equip it there, the missilemen and gunners have the means.

              There are many such strategists here. wassat
              1. kirgiz58
                kirgiz58 26 November 2017 14: 55 New
                +2
                Quote: kapitan92
                At least the stars could be counted and learned!

                Am I an astronomer? laughing I'm a tanker (you can just armored). But you would not be bad to learn to read the letters (I am kindly, without the desire to offend) - "you will definitely." love
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 26 November 2017 15: 01 New
                  +4
                  Quote: kirgiz58
                  Am I an astronomer? I'm a tanker (you can just armored).

                  I got it already! Good luck! hi
          2. DV Coms
            DV Coms 30 November 2017 00: 14 New
            0
            Quote: kapitan92
            How? The Strait and the Gulf of Aden will be blocked by mines, and this will be done remotely and in a short period of time.

            What, dear, are the minefields set by "partners"? ))) Is this to block our little base? )) And thus block the busiest transport route in Europe? Leave the military and civilian equipment of the West in Europe without fuel? )) And will the "partners" do it themselves? )) Yes, this will be the most valuable gift for us! Yes, we OURSELVE in case of hour "h" will block the Red Sea with remote and other mines !!! if we have our own military base in Sudan.
      3. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 26 November 2017 12: 46 New
        +4
        Quote: kapitan92
        For, given the geographical location, the presence of nearby bases of "sworn partners" and shallow water, it will be destroyed in the first hour of time "h".

        What is the safe place in case of a surprise attack by the enemy?
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 26 November 2017 14: 47 New
          +6
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          What is the safe place in case of a surprise attack by the enemy?

          Without further ado, let us take examples of Soviet bases and naval logistics centers.
          Berbera, Somalia (1964 - 1977)
          A first-class naval base on the shores of the Gulf of Aden, a real oasis of civilization in the middle of the Somali mess. Gatekeeper at the entrance to the Red Sea controlling the strategically important transport route Europe-Asia (through the Suez Canal).
          Vlora, Albania (1955 - 1962)
          A brigade from 12 Soviet submarines - a real "awl" in the fifth point of the American fleet. In 1959, one of the submarines from the Albanian base broke through all anti-submarine barriers and conducted a training attack on the cruiser Des Moines with the President of the United States on board.
          Surabaya, Indonesia (1962 year)
          Nokra, Ethiopia (1977 - 1991's)
          Victoria, Seychelles. (1984 - 1990)
          I will not list everything. Check out the article.
          https://topwar.ru/27392-set-zarubezhnyh-baz-vmf-s
          ssr.html hi
  2. Anarchist
    Anarchist 25 November 2017 16: 54 New
    20
    I have a question - Do we need this base?
    If only a base for intermediate maintenance and restocking, then yes! But for the permanent presence of our fleet there - no! We don't have that many ships ...
    1. The Siberian barber
      The Siberian barber 25 November 2017 16: 57 New
      +8
      I think not really))
      Rather, Sudan needs her, more
    2. Sofa General
      Sofa General 25 November 2017 17: 00 New
      +6
      Why not? There are Suez and Ormudzon nearby ...
      Flight time ...
    3. poquello
      poquello 25 November 2017 17: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: Anarchist
      I have a question - Do we need this base?
      If only a base for intermediate maintenance and restocking, then yes! But for the permanent presence of our fleet there - no! We don't have that many ships ...

      the practice of small ships with onyx and calibers may just have an advantage when placed at various strong points
    4. Esoteric
      Esoteric 25 November 2017 17: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: Anarchist
      But for the permanent presence of our fleet there - no! We don't have that many ships ...

      Why for the Navy? Air defense, electronic warfare, videoconferencing ... Effective means of combating terrorism and their sponsors. You don't need to fly the planes far ...
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 25 November 2017 19: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: Esoteric
        Why for the Navy? Air defense, electronic warfare, videoconferencing ... Effective means of combating terrorism and their sponsors. You don't need to fly the planes far ...

        And how to carry out MTO? The few steamers and large landing ships that we have are already exhausted in Syria.
      2. Tusv
        Tusv 25 November 2017 19: 41 New
        +2
        Why for the Navy? Air defense, electronic warfare, videoconferencing ... Effective means of combating terrorism and their sponsors. You don't need to fly the planes far ...

        Probably that it is effective \ And our air defense is finally in the last place in the food chain. Flyers will work first, then from the Fleet, and to Us? crying What is worth crying And those Flyers will plant
    5. 1331M
      1331M 25 November 2017 17: 06 New
      17
      You are not the only one who has a similar question, Anarchist. There is nowhere to put money?
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 25 November 2017 17: 17 New
        41
        Quote: 1331M
        You are not the only one who has a similar question, Anarchist. There is nowhere to put money?

        1. 1331M
          1331M 25 November 2017 17: 20 New
          14
          Damn ... you know how to put pressure on a sick corn beautifully and painfully at the same time ... good hi
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 25 November 2017 17: 42 New
        12
        Quote: 1331M
        You are not the only one who has a similar question, Anarchist. There is nowhere to put money?

        Of course advise


        Yeah, poor Russians!
        Oh, this is the USA, well, free people live as they want!
        https://www.theodysseyonline.com/struggles-on-the
        -reservations
        https://popreflection.wordpress.com/2012/04/21/is
        olation-poverty-disease-and-destitution-native-am
        ericans-and-first-nations-in-the-united-states /
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 25 November 2017 17: 54 New
          22
          I don't care how the Yankees live! What do you care for them? We have our own country, the problems of its inhabitants come first! We have, at least, but the government should also!
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 25 November 2017 20: 00 New
            +8
            Quote: Anarchist
            I don't care how the Yankees live! What do you care for them? We have our own country, the problems of its inhabitants come first! We have, at least, but the government should also!

            I don’t care for the Yankees, but these photos do not reflect reality .. The same ruins can be found in the richest country in the United States, you will not deny that Americans are richer than Russia?
            The fact that the life of citizens should be in the first place with the government of the country is not even discussed. But here is the paradox that security is also a priority for citizens. It is worth remembering Libya, there was a very good social program and there was no normal army
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 25 November 2017 20: 47 New
        +3
        A pitiful picture. Where, and what does the armless husband do and do? Where are children ? Do they drink vodka? The armless little family .. Here is the result - poverty and horror!
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 25 November 2017 17: 34 New
      +9
      Quote: Anarchist
      I have a question - Do we need this base?

      From the point of geopolitics, it would be yes, but preferably in Djibouti, but the Chinese have already staked out there, I will not be surprised if they appear in Yemen and then Bab el Mandeb Strait will be under their control, but there will be no figs knows him, but for finances here hardly we will pull.
      Look at the map and figure it out. hi
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 25 November 2017 17: 45 New
        15
        Volodya, buddy, that's what I'm talking about finance! Fleet maintenance abroad is an expensive pleasure! Especially when it is not enough ... And you also need to protect it! We do not have such opportunities ...
        In general - Nobody has invited us there yet! This is it - he stuck it into the well, for the noise!
        1. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 25 November 2017 18: 11 New
          14
          Maintaining the fleet abroad is an expensive pleasure! Especially when it is not enough ... And you also need to protect it! We do not have such opportunities ...


          We have a bunch of rogue oligarchs. How did it happen that the surplus value of a huge number of Russian enterprises, once built by the Soviet people, goes straight into the pockets of this crook. And at this surplus value apartments were once built, science developed, education and medicine developed, and our defense industry was built. And now these scum with fat rage, villas on the Cote d'Azur are bought in blocks, and the state is trying to smear them. And our great and beloved GDP assures that there will be no revision of privatization. And why ? Because one shoble? So after that, no matter how roguish and disgusting Navalny is, you start to look around and listen to at least someone, but not Putin, because you don’t really believe it.
        2. vovanpain
          vovanpain 25 November 2017 18: 19 New
          +9
          Quote: Anarchist
          Fleet maintenance abroad is an expensive pleasure! Especially when it is not enough.

          And there is no need to keep a large fleet of Sancho, put a couple of Buyans with Caliber and Salman the king of the Saudis, nervously scratching his turnips, is it worth shitting in Syria and the Middle East, and the mattresses at the bases will take this into account, but this Sanya's dreams, Russia is not the USSR we will not pull, in Syria there is still a lot of business. Well, about the invitation:
          We are also concerned about the situation in the Red Sea. We believe that US intervention in these issues is also a problem. And we would like to discuss this issue in terms of the use of bases in the Red Sea.
          - declared Omar al-Bashir.

          Their name is the same, but today there is Omar, and tomorrow some kind of Langouste will be. drinks hi
          1. poquello
            poquello 25 November 2017 19: 07 New
            +2
            Quote: vovanpain
            put a couple of "Buyans" with "Caliber"

            karakurt with caliber, onyx and shell
          2. Pissarro
            Pissarro 25 November 2017 22: 50 New
            +2
            Omar has been sitting tightly in Sudan for thirty years, under sanctions, accusations of genocide, in Western-sponsored separatist wars. Omar is too tough for the West, would have been thrown off long ago if they could
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 25 November 2017 18: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        , but preferably in Djibouti, but the Chinese have already staked out

        And where were the Americans looking? what
      3. Settlement Oparyshev
        Settlement Oparyshev 25 November 2017 18: 53 New
        +3
        What are you so worried about for pennies? Someone gives tugriks for rearmament. And there will be a base in Sudan. For what a buyback: Control over Suez !!, this is the main World way. And when Mona's Silk Road opens, subtly strangle Suez and shear sheep .Chinese in Yemen will not be allowed, there their geopolitics spud.
        1. Settlement Oparyshev
          Settlement Oparyshev 25 November 2017 18: 54 New
          +1
          Thanks for the card.
    7. Hammerlock
      Hammerlock 25 November 2017 18: 09 New
      +1
      oops! He came and decided for the whole General Staff - NO
      1. Anarchist
        Anarchist 25 November 2017 18: 53 New
        13
        I have the right to express my opinion on this topic! Do you have something to say on the topic?
  3. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 00 New
    +3
    It is right. A good idea, soldier
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 November 2017 17: 35 New
      +4
      So we will need to sooner or later, but it is better to return the lost positions in the world right now! We need bases! hi soldier
      1. Going
        Going 25 November 2017 22: 40 New
        +8
        Needed, but with a new approach and without a big show-off.
    2. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 November 2017 17: 35 New
      +2
      Damn, sclerosis-Aron, hi good evening! !! hi
  4. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 November 2017 17: 05 New
    +4
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: Anarchist
    I have a question - Do we need this base?
    If only a base for intermediate maintenance and restocking, then yes! But for the permanent presence of our fleet there - no! We don't have that many ships ...

    the practice of small ships with onyx and calibers may just have an advantage when placed at various strong points

    First, you need to have them, in sufficient quantity
  5. The Siberian barber
    The Siberian barber 25 November 2017 17: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Sofa General
    Why not? There are Suez and Ormudzon nearby ...
    Flight time ...

    Duc, Syria is not far off, like)
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 November 2017 17: 10 New
    +8
    Our RTOs in the Red Sea overlap EVERYTHING with "Calibers"! And the Strait of Hormuz and Bab-El-Madeb.
    Yes, striped-eared now will stand on their ears! Our poor athletes ... Now they will all be banned forever and ever ... Even mineral water!
  7. q75agent
    q75agent 25 November 2017 17: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Thrall
    And you still have not guessed?

    Jewish toad strangled laughing their name is not where wink
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 21 New
      14
      Quote: q75agent
      Quote: Thrall
      And you still have not guessed?

      Jewish toad strangled laughing their name is not where wink

      We are very poor and we have many problems at home. In just the last three months: high school teachers went on strike, knocked out raising salaries, people with disabilities blocked roads and received benefits, social lobby in parliament pressed and knocked out raising minimum pensions, and the MoD secured funding for the purchase and installation of 1000 KAZ on tanks and TBTR. Where does the money come to bases for 3ty km from our own borders? They’ll call and we won’t be able to.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather 25 November 2017 17: 32 New
        +8
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        We are very poor and we have many problems at home.

        beautifully Aaron. yes
      2. LPD17
        LPD17 26 November 2017 08: 44 New
        +2
        Economically !!! we would have such))) economic for our country)))
        And not here building air bridges to South America
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 November 2017 17: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: q75agent
      Quote: Thrall
      And you still have not guessed?

      Jewish toad strangled laughing their name is not where wink

      ))))
      If necessary, we come ourselves;)
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 25 November 2017 17: 43 New
        +1
        Krasnodar hi - I hope that you will come to Syria with good intentions - to make peace with Assad? ??? soldier
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Krasnodar hi - I hope that you will come to Syria with good intentions - to make peace with Assad? ??? soldier

          We won’t go there at all. No one will make the mistakes of 1982 of the year by interfering in the Arab disassembly.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 25 November 2017 17: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Krasnodar hi - I hope that you will come to Syria with good intentions - to make peace with Assad? ??? soldier

          Good evening, Herculesych!
          I hope we don't come to Syria.
          My little Syrian orthodontist is in Krasnodar. Pts good special. It will be offended if the Blue Label will have to buy - again - expenses))))
  8. q75agent
    q75agent 25 November 2017 17: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    It is right. A good idea,

    advise your builders who dig a bunker for you laughing Iran is getting closer bully
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 25 New
      +3
      Quote: q75agent
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      It is right. A good idea,

      advise your builders who dig a bunker for you laughing Iran is getting closer bully

      Required. soldier
  9. cedar
    cedar 25 November 2017 17: 17 New
    +5
    There, in Djibouti, the Chinese are deploying their naval base. On the two islands of the Dahlak archipelago (Fatma and Dahlak Kebir) is the base of the Navy of the State of Israel, received for Israeli support during the occupation of the Yemeni island of Kuneish.
    They now have a radar station there to monitor the airspace of Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Sudan, and shipping in the Red Sea. Until 1991, the base of the Navy of the USSR was located on this archipelago. A holy place is never empty.
    If Russia is in the Sudan, it will be fun ...
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: cedar
      There, in Djibouti, the Chinese are deploying their naval base. On the two islands of the Dahlak archipelago (Fatma and Dahlak Kebir) is the base of the Navy of the State of Israel, received for Israeli support during the occupation of the Yemeni island of Kuneish.
      They now have a radar station there to monitor the airspace of Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Sudan, and shipping in the Red Sea. Until 1991, the base of the Navy of the USSR was located on this archipelago. A holy place is never empty.
      If Russia is in the Sudan, it will be fun ...

      We are not there. Nobody is calling us.
      1. Herculesic
        Herculesic 25 November 2017 17: 32 New
        +2
        Aaron hi and let us rent the Gollans for 100 years, and place our military base there? lol soldier I hope that you don’t disturb us there! lol
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 42 New
          +4
          Quote: Herkulesich
          Aaron hi and let us rent the Gollans for 100 years, and place our military base there? lol soldier I hope that you don’t disturb us there! lol

          Late. If Comrade Stalin organized mass repatriation of Soviet Jews in the 1948 year, including the 3-4 infantry divisions with full-time weapons, Haifa had long been the USSR Navy, but this is a purely subjunctive answer to a fantastic question. wink wink
        2. Silkway0026
          Silkway0026 25 November 2017 18: 24 New
          +3
          Aron hi, let’s let us take the Gollans on rent for 100 years and place our military base there? lol soldier I hope you do not disturb us there! lol


          Why the hell do they rent what doesn't belong to them? Or do the Jews already de facto consider theirs? Hmm, gentlemen Jews, life is richer than our plans ...
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 19: 08 New
            +2
            Quote: Silkway0026


            Why the hell do they rent what doesn't belong to them? Or do the Jews already de facto consider theirs? Hmm, gentlemen Jews, life is richer than our plans ...

            Yeah, we believe. Already from 67 year. As for the plans, we do not plan anything. Do we need it?
            1. Silkway0026
              Silkway0026 26 November 2017 18: 24 New
              +2
              Ukraine and Crimea also did not plan anything)))
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 November 2017 20: 18 New
                0
                Quote: Silkway0026
                Ukraine and Crimea also did not plan anything)))

                Israel is not Ukraine :)
                1. Karen
                  Karen 26 November 2017 21: 21 New
                  0
                  But Ukraine today is Khazaria !!!
                  And yet they achieved their goal ... I remember Caesar Solodar's book "Wild Wormwood" ... it told about the beginning of Jewish mobilization work on the outskirts of the Empire a century ago ...
    2. MOSKVITYANIN
      MOSKVITYANIN 25 November 2017 17: 45 New
      +1
      in 2011, South Sudan managed to gain independence - not without the help of the West, primarily the USA, which pursued its goals in the destruction of such a large state, which was under Arab-Muslim control, which was a single Sudan with the capital in Khartoum.

      https://topwar.ru/65053-yuzhnyy-sudan-neskonchaem
      aya-voyna.html
      It will be fun when there will again be a rascal ...
  10. Simon
    Simon 25 November 2017 17: 23 New
    0
    A good thing is that our troops control East Africa and the Middle East at the same time.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 25 November 2017 17: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: Simon
      it is the control by our troops of both East Africa and the Middle East.

      Checkpoints? Aerial patrol? Airmobile groups? Marine landing? Ali another way of military control? Or maybe immediately the occupation and the network of commanders wink Oh, and sometimes the comments please. Comrade Bender with the New Vasyuki pales against their background.
  11. shura7782
    shura7782 25 November 2017 17: 29 New
    0
    Russia is ready to create a military base in the Red Sea[B] [/ b]
    Oh, well done! Good mood for the future. The old man was unexpectedly pleased.
    The very declared fact that we have hammered the pegs for our base will greatly strain our sworn friends.
  12. loginovich
    loginovich 25 November 2017 17: 29 New
    +7
    Galimy bazaar is called pre-election PR. A couple of weeks ago, the base was returned to Cuba. Sudan from the same opera. Only a bazaar and nothing else.
    1. Sergei 777
      Sergei 777 25 November 2017 17: 59 New
      +2
      And talk about the return of Crimea to Ukraine is not a bazaar? laughing
  13. Herculesic
    Herculesic 25 November 2017 17: 30 New
    +1
    It is necessary to return the positions lost in the world! We need expansion, it is necessary to assert the authority and trust in Russia! Let's be stingy now - we will lose a lot in general, now and always! !! So the base is definitely needed! hi
    1. serriy
      serriy 26 November 2017 02: 59 New
      +3
      There is civil war, hunger, poverty and disease. But in this Somalia for over 20 years none does not bother! No UN. It doesn't bother !? And you are in favor of "returning positions lost in the world" exactly there !? fool fool
    2. Ace Tambourine
      Ace Tambourine 26 November 2017 07: 48 New
      +1
      Or maybe, well, them, these bases, away ...?
      Can even reduce the price of gasoline, increase pensions, medical care, education?
  14. anjey
    anjey 25 November 2017 17: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Tusv
    Not any whim for your money

    For yours, for yours. And for whose else? what
    I think the Russian oligarchs will not go anywhere and will fork out, as well as for Syria, geopolitical strategies pull the economy. And the Red Sea is a water transit of oil to old Europe, and whoever controls it milks this "cow" good
    1. Going
      Going 25 November 2017 17: 36 New
      +7
      And also the control of the Suez Canal.
      1. evp
        evp 25 November 2017 17: 43 New
        +2
        And also the Red Sea is access to the Indian Ocean.
        1. Going
          Going 25 November 2017 17: 47 New
          +7
          There is a lot of interesting things looming. yes
  15. q75agent
    q75agent 25 November 2017 17: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    We are very poor and we have many problems at home. In just the last three months: high school teachers went on strike, knocked out raising salaries, people with disabilities blocked roads and received benefits, social lobby in parliament pressed and knocked out raising minimum pensions, and the MoD secured funding for the purchase and installation of 1000 KAZ on tanks and TBTR. Where does the money come to bases for 3ty km from our own borders? They’ll call and we won’t be able to.

    laughing
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 November 2017 17: 43 New
      +3
      This is normal. good
  16. APASUS
    APASUS 25 November 2017 17: 45 New
    +2
    In Sudan, in the Halaib area, there are natural anomalies, just under the sweat facilities
    1. Going
      Going 25 November 2017 17: 53 New
      +8
      There are even more political anomalies - a disputed territory.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 25 November 2017 21: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Going
        There are even more political anomalies - a disputed territory.

        Take Germany or the United States, there are no political anomalies at all?
        1. Going
          Going 25 November 2017 22: 43 New
          +9
          So full of us and e under our noses and I do not mind our appearance where the US is not very much waiting for us.
  17. askme
    askme 25 November 2017 17: 51 New
    10
    Firstly, the base of the Russian Navy and Aerospace Forces in the Red Sea will allow on a permanent basis to have a grouping of ships and submarines + Il-78 for refueling "strategists" of the Aerospace Forces in the operational zone of the Indian Ocean, in particular, to keep the US Air Force and Navy base Diego at gunpoint -Garcia (has the same meaning as Guam in the Pacific Ocean, who is not in the know). Plus all the bases of the West in Africa and BV ...

    Secondly, through Chad, Congo or Nigeria you can fly to Ghana, whose leader recently came to bow to Putin (obviously, we will build a base there as well). From Khmeimim (Syria) to Khartoum (Sudan) - approx. 2500 km. From Khartoum to Accra (Gann) a little over 3500 km in a straight line. What is all this for from a geopolitical point of view? And this all together gives an air bridge to Venezuela, to Caracas from Accra in a straight line, almost 7300 km. That is, this air bridge is available for the Il-76 and Il-78, which means that with such an air bridge (only they), you can quickly transfer tactical aviation and ground forces of the Russian Federation to South America with existing aircraft. There are no other opportunities now to do this in tactically effective volumes. Here's what this means from a geopolitical point of view ...

    In addition, Sudan is rich in gold, non-ferrous metal ores, i.e. Russia can make money there by doing what it can do well: mining raw materials and selling them on international markets, and buying a lot for itself, for example, gold in reserves, not FRS notes ... Sudan, on the other hand, receives long-term security guarantees. This is a very beneficial cooperation and union for both countries.
    1. Sergei 777
      Sergei 777 25 November 2017 18: 02 New
      +5
      We need to move troops to South America! fool
      1. askme
        askme 25 November 2017 18: 10 New
        +4
        Of course, such a need may arise at any time. Because Russia has invested billions in oil from Venezuela, the key oil exporter in the Western Hemisphere with the largest reserves. So it is you who twist your brains, you need it more)

        Given the lawlessness that scum from the West is doing around the world, Russia should be able to defend its economic interests by force. Otherwise, they will simply suffocate gradually. War is like war. Wipe off the snot.
        1. Sergei 777
          Sergei 777 25 November 2017 18: 18 New
          +4
          Apparently, it is not destiny to immediately create bases in Venezuela. It is necessary to fence a system of routes through many third world countries in order to become dependent on all sorts of Sudans and Egypt, in which the regimes change every couple of years.
          1. askme
            askme 25 November 2017 18: 24 New
            +5
            You are writing nonsense again. Is your profession like writing nonsense? Not a Cyber ​​Troll Force?
            Sudan has been ruled by the same person for several decades. And there is an alternative to Egypt. There is an option of an air bridge through Iran, from Mozdok to Khartoum. In addition, Russia is incredibly popular in Africa and the Middle East now. It is so popular that in Cameroon, for example, the government printed coins with the profile of Putin in 2015 .... So there will be no problems with logistics either now or in the future.

            But directly to Venezuela - yes, we cannot. The distances to it are everywhere prohibitive for transport aviation - over 12000-13000 km. Neither silts, nor drying, nor moments fly at such a distance. Yes, and ana with weights will not reach ...
            1. Roman 11
              Roman 11 25 November 2017 20: 37 New
              +2
              Quote: askme
              In addition, Russia is incredibly popular in Africa and the Middle East now.

              Of course, their leaders are shaking from American democracy .... by the way, one such long-liver recently lost his seat, and who knows, maybe with the help of American "partners"?
      2. evp
        evp 25 November 2017 19: 39 New
        +3
        it is not necessary to re-roll, but to have the potential already great +
    2. Roman 11
      Roman 11 25 November 2017 20: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: askme
      In addition, Sudan is rich in gold, non-ferrous metal ores

      This phrase is the best .... For the development of fossils, our "yachtsmen" can fork out and to the clown South America, we would pay pennies the next pension hi
    3. LPD17
      LPD17 26 November 2017 08: 39 New
      +1
      "Koreiko's paw is felt here" ... or rather K and Co
    4. LPD17
      LPD17 26 November 2017 08: 40 New
      0
      oops. more air bridge to New Swabia nada

      damn or better bridge on the Volga? or Obi?
  18. Fedorov
    Fedorov 25 November 2017 17: 51 New
    +4
    [quote] discussed the possibility of creating a military base on the Red Sea, first with the President of Russia, and then with the Minister of Defense. [/ quote]
    And if Russia scores a bolt, will it fly to China?
    And why is she needed there? Cuba, yes, Vietnam ... Syria is understandable, but running around with the Papuans (there was such a time) is nothing good. Just see what countries surround Sudan ... request
  19. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 25 November 2017 17: 57 New
    +2
    Well, if Egypt guarantees us the passage through the Suez Canal, then it makes sense. But if there are no guarantees, then this base will only be a formality, because we have problems with the ships of the far sea zone.
    1. Roman 11
      Roman 11 25 November 2017 20: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: Sergey 777
      we have problems with ships in the far sea zone.

      Yes, we need to unsubscribe the island for absolutely smile

      LITTLE, but for good .... let him be away from the coast, but his own - dear. And with time, takeoff can be organized, even in 10-20 years. Maybe it will be possible to expand, to build a resort, a tourist complex there. And Grenok will deliver boats to him and Gren, all sorts of launchers, etc. We need legal approval, and there, even for decades to settle down, technologies do not stand still, you can floating screw different objects to the island.

      And the place is geographically excellent. good
  20. UVB
    UVB 25 November 2017 17: 57 New
    +5
    discussed the possibility of creating a military base on the Red Sea, first with the President of Russia, and then with the Minister of Defense
    As I understand it, if the president were against, there would be no discussion with the defense minister.
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 25 November 2017 18: 00 New
    +3
    Why take what we cannot keep under unfavorable conditions, we have nothing else to do on our own territory, for example, the northern sea route, the Kuril Islands with the Far East, and we are still standing in Syria ...
  22. Livonetc
    Livonetc 25 November 2017 18: 02 New
    +4
    Military bases are new jobs, new orders for the military-industrial complex, additional taxes to the budget.
    Yes, our country is in many ways clumsy.
    Can not argue.
    However, it is better in the military-industrial complex than in the pockets of the oligarchs.
    The benefits are greater for everyone.
    Well, look at the partners.
    Bases are baked like pies with cabbage.
    And nothing, quite competitive.
    And maybe this is also the secret of their competitiveness.

    But by the way.
    Peace to the world!
    Let's keep the peace in the Red Sea region!
  23. nivander
    nivander 25 November 2017 18: 20 New
    0
    Why are we worse than the Chinese?
    1. Herculesic
      Herculesic 25 November 2017 18: 27 New
      +6
      By the fact that we multiply and multiply more slowly than them! !! sad
  24. high
    high 25 November 2017 18: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: Simon
    A good thing is that our troops control East Africa and the Middle East at the same time.

    Alas, all these bases and wars, this is a low standard of living of the population. Today, Russia (90th place) has the lowest standard of living in Europe.
    https://newsland.com/community/129/content/reitin
    g-stran-mira-po-urovniu-zhizni-v-2017-godu / 578889
    3

    Funds must be allocated to medicine: today the lowest health levels in Europe are 3 countries Ukraine, (118), Russia (119) and Belarus (120)
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3098853
    1. nPuBaTuP
      nPuBaTuP 25 November 2017 19: 26 New
      +6
      Ie Hohlandia in terms of health is higher than Russia and Belarus? .....
      Here the chosen ones of God have been lying .... is it not disgusting to write it yourself?
    2. poquello
      poquello 25 November 2017 19: 31 New
      +3
      As I understand it, in Europe there is no Baltic, Poland and other crap
    3. Angler
      Angler 25 November 2017 19: 47 New
      +5
      As my father used to say, you need to read less cheap scientific literature. I still cannot understand by what criteria the standard of living is assessed. The population of Russia is growing (yes, I know that at the expense of visitors, but where they live badly, they don’t go there), the population of the Baltic countries is falling, the ratio of GDP to debt per capita in Russia is better, but the standard of living is higher there (if anything, I have been to Latvia and I can compare, I did not notice any special advantages). And as for the level of health, there is laughter at all: what does the use of condoms, mortality in road traffic accidents and obesity have to do with the level of health (the latter is just evidence that people eat well and work little)? What is it if I don’t use condoms (well, my wife and I don’t need it!) Am I already sick? Still on "radio freedom" the link was given!
      1. high
        high 26 November 2017 12: 06 New
        0
        the population of the Baltic countries is falling, the ratio of GDP to debt per capita in Russia is better,[i] [/ i]

        You are wrong, GDP per capita in the Baltic countries is much higher than in Russia (dollars):
        Россия 8.928
        Estonia - 17.633
        Latvia - 14.060
        Lithuania - 14.840
        1. Angler
          Angler 26 November 2017 14: 52 New
          +2
          Firstly, we read carefully what is written, the ratio of GDP and national debt per capita. It is much better in Russia than in Lithuania and Latvia, although worse than in Estonia, but if you average it, it is still better. Second, where does the information come from? Again RBK, radio freedom and a merchant? Personally, I take it here: http://countrymeters.info/ru. I don’t presume to say that this is the ultimate truth, but this is at least UN statistics, and in real time. If you believe this site, then you have managed to more than halve Russia's GDP. By the way, to be honest, the data on extinction is also underestimated.
          1. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 15: 01 New
            11
            Don't feed, and it will die on its own.
            There are ... many request
            1. poquello
              poquello 27 November 2017 00: 54 New
              0
              Quote: Golovan Jack
              Don't feed, and it will die on its own.
              There are ... many request

              yes you what, a copy - a couple of years ago, the gears sang like in Israel beautifully, I really explained to them why I have a gas mask at home, this one in the course is completely a victim of anti-Soviet books
    4. Angler
      Angler 25 November 2017 19: 51 New
      +6
      And regarding the base, I agree, we do not need it. The Red Sea can also be sealed from Syria by holding Port Said at gunpoint. Do not fig again at the expense of Russian Vanya to support African children, money is needed for their country. Enough, once already overstrained. Now, let the states break down.
    5. serriy
      serriy 26 November 2017 02: 22 New
      +7
      Today, Russia (90th place) has the lowest standard of living in Europe.

      From the same mlyn! They come from everywhere for money, shake hands with Putin. The country has so many "friends". And get what they ask for! angry
      And here we are in our power as not relatives! We, it turns out - what is left, "the lowest standard of living in Europe"!?!?!? angry
      As if the people of our country and its natural wealth have no relation, unlike other countries - http://forum.ykt.ru/viewtopic.jsp?id=4144861
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    6. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 November 2017 03: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: alta
      Quote: Simon
      A good thing is that our troops control East Africa and the Middle East at the same time.

      Alas, all these bases and wars, this is a low standard of living of the population. Today, Russia (90th place) has the lowest standard of living in Europe.
      https://newsland.com/community/129/content/reitin
      g-stran-mira-po-urovniu-zhizni-v-2017-godu / 578889
      3

      Funds must be allocated to medicine: today the lowest health levels in Europe are 3 countries Ukraine, (118), Russia (119) and Belarus (120)
      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3098853

      And Moldova? Albania? Others?
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  26. Angler
    Angler 25 November 2017 19: 10 New
    12
    We really don't need this happiness! Maybe someone has forgotten how all this African shushara lived in the USSR. Weapons, factories, specialists for the promise to erect a monument to the leader of the world proletariat. How much money was pumped into them, and what was the result? Zilch! Even debts were forgiven, because there is still nothing to take. As soon as we got weak, they sold everything! All amers sucked! Only Assad Sr. did not betray, for that you can help his son. And let these be from those to whom they sold. We do not have those who, having gone to war in Russia, will return and arrange terror, and who must be destroyed far from their borders. And those who dream of having a base there, I want to ask, have you ever been to the Red Sea? Not on the beach, but in the sea? Was there a watch in the engine room when the temperature exceeded 60 degrees? When the robe gets up from the salt after the watch. Sleep in the cockpit without a kondeya? Have pity on the boys, it's not for you to experience all these delights for yourself. Until now, BB has supported foreign policy, but if he gets there, damn it, I'll vote for Sobchak.
    1. Angler
      Angler 25 November 2017 19: 24 New
      +1
      Damn, why is the flag white? It seems like it should be green.
    2. Pissarro
      Pissarro 25 November 2017 23: 53 New
      +1
      Can an air conditioner be installed in the cockpit and then ... laughing
      1. Angler
        Angler 26 November 2017 14: 01 New
        +2
        Shipbuilder?
    3. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 26 November 2017 08: 46 New
      +2
      Цитата: Морской Чёрт
      Maybe someone has forgotten how all this African shushara lived in the USSR.

      So now no one feeds in the style of the USSR. Get away from it. Look, Rosneft is not sickly in Venezuela, for which it refinances debts.
    4. Dashout
      Dashout 26 November 2017 10: 48 New
      +4
      Цитата: Морской Чёрт
      I will vote for Sobchak.

      Well, this is your choice ... as they say: love is evil, you will love the goat! am
      1. Angler
        Angler 26 November 2017 13: 59 New
        +2
        Goat. Well, or a horse. And I will not love. And in spite of those who decide to step on the same rake.
  27. Machete
    Machete 25 November 2017 20: 23 New
    +1
    Ameria for this "act of aggression" will create 50 more "peaceful" military bases around the world.
  28. q75agent
    q75agent 25 November 2017 20: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Neputin
    Listen, Krasndar, what do you consider money in someone else's pocket? It's just even indecent. Not only that, I think. that 13% of tax on 20 thousand salaries is much more "painful" than 50% of 20 million in income for some. Don't you think? Do not take us "weakly". We have long worn out such people in our area (by the way, in Krasnodar) as a class.

    so he writes everywhere that he lives in Krasnodar and he lit the name of Friedman ... so that maybe not everyone has yet been exhausted ... wink
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 November 2017 20: 23 New
      0
      Quote: q75agent
      Quote: Neputin
      Listen, Krasndar, what do you consider money in someone else's pocket? It's just even indecent. Not only that, I think. that 13% of tax on 20 thousand salaries is much more "painful" than 50% of 20 million in income for some. Don't you think? Do not take us "weakly". We have long worn out such people in our area (by the way, in Krasnodar) as a class.

      so he writes everywhere that he lives in Krasnodar and he lit the name of Friedman ... so that maybe not everyone has yet been exhausted ... wink

      Albert Friedman, you are our tank lover. And you know how to find me :)
      Just do not rush to meet, but it's a pity ....))))
  29. camo ridges
    camo ridges 25 November 2017 22: 03 New
    +2
    This would be a good help for our diplomacy in the Middle
    East and a cooling argument for those who like to complicate the situation in
    region ...
  30. HEATHER
    HEATHER 25 November 2017 22: 55 New
    +3
    A strange country, full of contrasts. Will we restore order there?
  31. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 25 November 2017 23: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: Herkulesich
    Krasnodar hi - I hope that you will come to Syria with good intentions - to make peace with Assad? ??? soldier

    We won’t go there at all. No one will make the mistakes of 1982 of the year by interfering in the Arab disassembly.

    Unfortunately, you commit and interfere with these showdowns, and even add oil on the sly, but in vain.
  32. Vladimir K.
    Vladimir K. 26 November 2017 01: 22 New
    +4
    By the way, the Americans in all of Africa have only one base in Djibouti.
  33. Bert
    Bert 26 November 2017 04: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Tusv
    Not any whim for your money

    Quote: Tusv
    Not any whim for your money

    Not for yours, but for our money.
  34. Bert
    Bert 26 November 2017 04: 40 New
    +2
    Quote: Herkulesich
    By the fact that we multiply and multiply more slowly than them! !! sad

    No, let's just die faster.
  35. Seraphimamur
    Seraphimamur 26 November 2017 05: 24 New
    +4
    Why does Russia need a base in Sudan? That we are playing the national game "rake run"? Again we are beginning to provide fraternal assistance to everyone and the arms race. The USSR was destroyed. Queue to Russia. Instead of squandering money, the authorities would think about the people.
    1. askme
      askme 26 November 2017 05: 38 New
      +4
      The rake is in your head, and not in reality in this case. No "brotherly assistance" was announced. Oh, and there are a lot of bla-bla-blaky trolls here, with the garbage of the past in their heads instead of thoughts passing off their emotions as truth instead of real facts .... Russia is not the USSR, it does not provide any "fraternal" assistance to anyone. All on a commercial and mutually beneficial basis.
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 26 November 2017 16: 25 New
        0
        Quote: askme
        does not provide any "brotherly" assistance to anyone.

        What do we need? Filipinos for 5000 Kalash returned ?? Like cp a c and b o, did you help us in the fight against IS? Maybe they thanked you with a dry cargo ship with citrus fruits? Or bottom shelf for hydrocarbon exploration?

        Something history is somehow silent, otherwise our media are already splashing saliva all over the world. sad
  36. BVS
    BVS 26 November 2017 06: 13 New
    +4
    Quote: askme
    The rake is in your head, and not in reality in this case. No "brotherly assistance" was announced. Oh, and there are a lot of bla-bla-blaky trolls here, with the garbage of the past in their heads instead of thoughts passing off their emotions as truth instead of real facts .... Russia is not the USSR, it does not provide any "fraternal" assistance to anyone. All on a commercial and mutually beneficial basis.

    And what do you want to get in return from a poor African state, torn apart by a civil war, located in difficult climatic conditions and, moreover, with very complex transport logistics for the Russian Federation?
    1. kirgiz58
      kirgiz58 26 November 2017 09: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: bvs
      And what do you want in return

      And what do the Amerzians get, having multiplied bases all over the world (I think altruism and patronage are not applicable to them laughing ).
  37. LPD17
    LPD17 26 November 2017 08: 26 New
    +1
    FC - send a pit for breaking up ... and issue a Panama, oh no helmet. Chair (
  38. high
    high 26 November 2017 09: 45 New
    0
    Quote: nPuBaTuP
    Ie Hohlandia in terms of health is higher than Russia and Belarus? .....
    Here the chosen ones of God have been lying .... is it not disgusting to write it yourself?

    Really not enough mind to open links ???
    By the way, links are given to Russian sites:
    Russia is in 119th place, it has 54 points, Ukraine (118th place) and Belarus (120th place) are adjacent to it.

    Most of the countries of the former USSR are ahead of Russia in the ranking. Estonia is in 29th place (74), Latvia - 45th (69), Lithuania - 47th (68), Uzbekistan - 55th (67), Turkmenistan - 60th (66) , Azerbaijan - 75th (63), Moldova - 80th (62), Kazakhstan - 85th (62), Armenia - 86th (62), Tajikistan - 99th (59) , Georgia - 106th (58), Kyrgyzstan - 113th (56).
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3098853
    1. Dashout
      Dashout 26 November 2017 10: 56 New
      +5
      You still give a link to Novaya Gazeta or to Vedomosti, Echo of Moscow ...
    2. high
      high 26 November 2017 11: 47 New
      0
      If you don't trust Russian sites, there is a link to the UK:
      http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PII
      S0140-6736(16)31467-2.pdf

      By the way, if you refute the data of the Medical Journal of Great Britain about the state of medicine in Russia, I will only be glad ...
      1. Dashout
        Dashout 26 November 2017 13: 08 New
        +5
        Here's what a person with such a worldview does on the VO site?
  39. prior
    prior 26 November 2017 10: 10 New
    +3
    To walk, so to walk!
    One base on the shores of the Red Sea, to look after those sailing through the Suez.
    Another in western Sudan, Central Africa is also a beautiful place.
  40. BVS
    BVS 26 November 2017 10: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: kirgiz58
    Quote: bvs
    And what do you want in return

    And what do the Amerzians get, having multiplied bases all over the world (I think altruism and patronage are not applicable to them laughing ).

    They (the United States), and China, too, have the budgets of their countries 10 times the budget of the Russian Federation. And the market system helps them to work their money back, and the state capitalism of the Russian Federation is unprofitable for the state and, ultimately, for its population. All previous projects ended with "zilch" and the subsequent write-off of the debt of their former partners. Alas!
  41. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 November 2017 14: 35 New
    +3

    Sudanese President Al Basheer is a murderer, who has thousands of lives. The only current president, whom the international tribunal recognized as a war criminal and issued an arrest warrant. Al-Bashir is accused of crimes against humanity and the unleashing of genocide in the territory of the country, which he has been trying to force Arabisation for many years. A third of the Sudan budget is spent on the army, 1% on health and 2% on education. Speaking last year to the country's air force, he said: "Even if I spent 100% on the security of the country, this would still be small"
  42. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 15: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Jedi
    And no one had the idea that this was all inspired by the United States? The costs of creation, arrangement, etc. etc. etc. sad

    It has arisen a long time ago ... And in the case of the prospect of having aircraft carriers too ... But not everyone understands this ...
  43. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 15: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: A. Privalov

    Sudanese President Al Basheer is a murderer, who has thousands of lives. The only current president, whom the international tribunal recognized as a war criminal and issued an arrest warrant. Al-Bashir is accused of crimes against humanity and the unleashing of genocide in the territory of the country, which he has been trying to force Arabisation for many years. A third of the Sudan budget is spent on the army, 1% on health and 2% on education. Speaking last year to the country's air force, he said: "Even if I spent 100% on the security of the country, this would still be small"

    How do you speak loudly, do you yourself get bored with loud words?
    Then let's continue:
    Since the first president of the United States, they are all murderers, compared with which this old man in a cap and jewelry is the lamb of God!
    And your hands, too, are far from clean and white ...
    And about the international tribunal, you are at the wrong address, you go to the Serbian website and tell them this ...
  44. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 15: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Dashout
    Here's what a person with such a worldview does on the VO site?

    Go somewhere from the site IN! Have you thought about that?
    1. askme
      askme 26 November 2017 15: 32 New
      0
      If trolls like him leave, there will be 10 percent - no more. VO is a 90% troll site. Moreover, professional trolls. Where half are openly trolled by the Echo of Moscow, and the other half is disguised as red and brown, skillfully arousing those who are already overexcited towards Russia.
  45. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 15: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: alta
    Quote: nPuBaTuP
    Ie Hohlandia in terms of health is higher than Russia and Belarus? .....
    Here the chosen ones of God have been lying .... is it not disgusting to write it yourself?

    Really not enough mind to open links ???
    By the way, links are given to Russian sites:
    Russia is in 119th place, it has 54 points, Ukraine (118th place) and Belarus (120th place) are adjacent to it.

    Most of the countries of the former USSR are ahead of Russia in the ranking. Estonia is in 29th place (74), Latvia - 45th (69), Lithuania - 47th (68), Uzbekistan - 55th (67), Turkmenistan - 60th (66) , Azerbaijan - 75th (63), Moldova - 80th (62), Kazakhstan - 85th (62), Armenia - 86th (62), Tajikistan - 99th (59) , Georgia - 106th (58), Kyrgyzstan - 113th (56).
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3098853

    Eck you poked something ... Read the Kommersant? So you at RBC are better off with someone to podyskatit!
  46. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 15: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: bvs
    Quote: askme
    The rake is in your head, and not in reality in this case. No "brotherly assistance" was announced. Oh, and there are a lot of bla-bla-blaky trolls here, with the garbage of the past in their heads instead of thoughts passing off their emotions as truth instead of real facts .... Russia is not the USSR, it does not provide any "fraternal" assistance to anyone. All on a commercial and mutually beneficial basis.

    And what do you want to get in return from a poor African state, torn apart by a civil war, located in difficult climatic conditions and, moreover, with very complex transport logistics for the Russian Federation?

    Don't ... they have something to get, but with your flag, figs we will tell you!
  47. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 15: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: askme
    The rake is in your head, and not in reality in this case. No "brotherly assistance" was announced. Oh, and there are a lot of bla-bla-blaky trolls here, with the garbage of the past in their heads instead of thoughts passing off their emotions as truth instead of real facts .... Russia is not the USSR, it does not provide any "fraternal" assistance to anyone. All on a commercial and mutually beneficial basis.

    I agree! And about the rake too!
  48. Eurodav
    Eurodav 26 November 2017 15: 51 New
    +3
    Quote: Neputin
    Listen, Krasndar, what do you consider money in someone else's pocket? It's just even indecent. Not only that, I think. that 13% of tax on 20 thousand salaries is much more "painful" than 50% of 20 million in income for some. Don't you think? Do not take us "weakly". We have long worn out such people in our area (by the way, in Krasnodar) as a class.

    Do not mess with him, this is their patient, let them treat themselves, you will meet in Krasnodar, tea is not Moscow!
  49. cedar
    cedar 26 November 2017 15: 51 New
    +2
    Quote: alta
    Quote: Simon
    A good thing is that our troops control East Africa and the Middle East at the same time.

    Alas, all these bases and wars, this is a low standard of living of the population. Today, Russia (90th place) has the lowest standard of living in Europe.
    https://newsland.com/community/129/content/reitin
    g-stran-mira-po-urovniu-zhizni-v-2017-godu / 578889
    3

    Funds must be allocated to medicine: today the lowest health levels in Europe are 3 countries Ukraine, (118), Russia (119) and Belarus (120)
    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/3098853

    Europe has not only a high standard of living, but also a high level of democracy and, in proportion to it, a high level of homosexuality and other immoral quirks. The same goes for Israil. So we don't need your level for free.
  50. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 26 November 2017 17: 42 New
    0
    We are also concerned about the situation in the Red Sea

    They started talking like the State Department.