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The head of the LPR Igor Plotnitsky resigned for health reasons

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The head of the proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LNR), Igor Plotnitsky, resigned for health reasons. This is stated in a statement by the head of the Ministry of State Security (MGB) of the republic, Leonid Pasechnik, posted on the website Friday Luganskinformtsentra.


The head of the LPR Igor Plotnitsky resigned for health reasons


Affected by numerous war wounds, the consequences of concussion. In accordance with his decision, I will take up the duties of the head of the Republic until the forthcoming elections. I am grateful to Igor Venediktovich for his decision and confidence. Igor Venediktovich made a great contribution to the peace process. He is one of the signatories of the Minsk Agreements, today he is appointed by the representative of the Luhansk People's Republic for the implementation of the Minsk Agreements. I also declare my commitment to the Minsk agreements. The republic will consistently fulfill the obligations assumed in accordance with these agreements. The Council of Ministers, the People’s Council of the LPR and other authorities continue to operate normally. For my part, I want to assure the residents of the LC that I will do everything in my power for the benefit of the residents of the Luhansk region.
- said in a statement

Plotnitsky's statement on the resignation and appointment of the Acting Head of the Republic Pasechnik entered the people's council of the LC.
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  1. Ural resident
    Ural resident 24 November 2017 19: 53 New
    +9
    Interestingly, the process of unification with the DPR will now go uphill or will it still remain?
    And what will Cornet lead?
    1. Chinganchuk
      Chinganchuk 24 November 2017 19: 56 New
      19
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Interestingly, the process of unification with the DPR will now go uphill or will it still remain?

      Everything goes to unification ... Makhnovschina ends! Ahead of serious business will be ..
      1. 210ox
        210ox 24 November 2017 20: 00 New
        23
        God forbid! In general, this is a natural ending. The man could not cope and .... almost burned out at work ..
        Quote: Chingangchuk
        Quote: Resident of the Urals
        Interestingly, the process of unification with the DPR will now go uphill or will it still remain?

        Everything goes to unification ... Makhnovschina ends! Ahead of serious business will be ..
        1. Zibelew
          Zibelew 24 November 2017 20: 03 New
          19
          Quote: 210ox
          almost burned out at work ..

          Yeah. Nearly. Let's hope that the arrival of Plotnitsky in Russia (at least temporarily, at least forever) will benefit both the DPR and LPR, and possibly New Russia.
          1. Alber
            Alber 24 November 2017 20: 15 New
            +6
            Quote: Zibelew
            Quote: 210ox
            almost burned out at work ..

            Yeah. Nearly. Let's hope that the arrival of Plotnitsky in Russia (at least temporarily, at least forever) will benefit both the DPR and LPR, and possibly New Russia.


            He should be sentenced to the tower
            1. cniza
              cniza 24 November 2017 20: 51 New
              15
              We are witnessing historical events that will begin to develop in the near future and will be recorded in textbooks for future generations.
              1. BLOND
                BLOND 24 November 2017 20: 58 New
                14
                Quote: cniza
                We are witnessing historical events that will begin to develop in the near future and will be recorded in textbooks for future generations.

                Which go to the LPR, as in the USSR (the worst manifestation)
                Please relieve me of ballet on TV and shaking hands close-up
                Tell the people of Lugansk People’s Republic the truth - HE deserves it!
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 24 November 2017 21: 11 New
                  +6
                  Quote: BLOND
                  Tell the people of Lugansk People’s Republic the truth - HE deserves it!

                  The former head of the self-proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic, Igor Plotnitsky, has been appointed commissioner for the execution of the Minsk agreements. This is stated in the statement of the Minister of State Security of the LPR Leonid Pasechnik, published on the website of the Luhansk Information Center.

                  https://news.rambler.ru/world/38509085/?utm_conte
                  nt = rnews & utm_medium = read_more & utm_source =
                  copylink
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 24 November 2017 21: 31 New
                    +7
                    Which go to the LPR, as in the USSR (the worst manifestation)
                    Please relieve me of ballet on TV and shaking hands close-up
                    Tell the people of Lugansk People’s Republic the truth - HE deserves it!


                    Who owes what to whom? sort it out, I understand you and regret that people are suffering, the Chinese have such a curse - "that you would live in an era of change", from this point of view, ordinary people were not lucky.
                    1. hrych
                      hrych 24 November 2017 22: 49 New
                      17
                      Quote: cniza
                      Who owes what to whom?

                      There are still accountants on the planet laughing
                      But help came unexpectedly, from where no one was waiting for her wassat
                      1. Observer2014
                        Observer2014 24 November 2017 22: 58 New
                        +5
                        hrych hi
                        But help came unexpectedly, from where no one was waiting for her
                        Everything is being prepared for the demolition of the United States. All the rules! For such a thing, Israel, like Khrest in the bosom, will continue to live. :
                      2. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 25 November 2017 00: 04 New
                        +7
                        Quote: hrych
                        But help came unexpectedly

                        Damn it, how did I miss it ... request It will be necessary to check in the morning - the Neva is still flowing into the bay or turned into Ladoga ... wassat Damn, and there is nothing to say ... laughing
                      3. Nikolai Grek
                        Nikolai Grek 25 November 2017 00: 54 New
                        +3
                        Quote: hrych
                        But help came unexpectedly, from where no one was waiting for her

                        wassat wassat lol lol lol lol lol lolthe setup was covered up with the ffsem of the cIFFilized world !!! good good good laughing laughing laughing
                      4. midivan
                        midivan 25 November 2017 02: 52 New
                        +2
                        Quote: hrych
                        But help came unexpectedly, from where no one was waiting for her

                        what It’s interesting, how many hectares will the Golan Heights grow? lol
                      5. askort154
                        askort154 25 November 2017 07: 36 New
                        +4
                        grunt ....But help came unexpectedly, from where no one was waiting for her.

                        Cool "gathering" good Just as I did not peer, she did not see there a single Israeli from our site. Aw .... "professor" .. voyaka ..... alta .... "Krasnodar", ...... respond
                        . stop
                2. Tusv
                  Tusv 24 November 2017 22: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: BLOND
                  worst manifestation

                  Once on the border served in the air defense. My teacher was a person from Lugansk, I will tell the truth - a very worthy person. USSR citizen
                  I’ll tell another truth when the Crimea was returned, the chelas from the Donbass spoke on a mov with the Crimeans on principle. Maybe they were returned to their homeland, but .... We do not know much
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 24 November 2017 22: 17 New
                    11
                    You have a speech of a very young man and the impression that you are lost in the vastness of our homeland.
                  2. Pirogov
                    Pirogov 25 November 2017 00: 18 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Tusv
                    Once on the border served in the air defense. My teacher was a person from Lugansk, I will tell the truth - a very worthy person. USSR citizen
                    I’ll tell another truth when the Crimea was returned, the chelas from the Donbass spoke on a mov with the Crimeans on principle. Maybe they were returned to their homeland, but .... We do not know much

                    And how many were those people, already two, or three?
              2. komvap
                komvap 24 November 2017 22: 53 New
                17
                Quote: cniza
                We are witnessing historical events that will begin to develop in the near future and will be recorded in textbooks for future generations.

                ... it’s a pity they have just been postponed from 2014 to the pre-election 2018 season.
                in 2014 it was possible to solve bloodlessly and in most of Russian Ukraine, leaving only a small reserve for banderlogs to demonstrate their dirty habits.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 24 November 2017 23: 10 New
                  10
                  Yes, from our point of view you are right, but we don’t know too much.
                2. Krabik
                  Krabik 25 November 2017 02: 26 New
                  +1
                  How is it interesting that something could be decided in 2014 and what evidence do you have on this subject?
          2. Chinganchuk
            Chinganchuk 24 November 2017 20: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: Zibelew
            Quote: 210ox
            almost burned out at work ..

            Yeah. Nearly. Let's hope that the arrival of Plotnitsky in Russia (at least temporarily, at least forever) will benefit both the DPR and LPR, and possibly New Russia.

            "The Moor has done his job" .. Further it will be more interesting and beneficial to the structure of New Russia!
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 26 New
              +1
              Well, you know better in Germany!
              1. Chinganchuk
                Chinganchuk 24 November 2017 20: 40 New
                11
                Quote: dr.star75
                Well, you know better in Germany!

                This miracle represents Germany in Ukraine ..

                Well, the rest, who represents whom I think everyone knows!
                1. Anarchist
                  Anarchist 24 November 2017 20: 46 New
                  16
                  '' announce the whole list, please! ''
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 24 November 2017 20: 53 New
                    +7
                    Alexander hi But is it interesting, the main result.
                    1. Anarchist
                      Anarchist 24 November 2017 21: 10 New
                      15
                      Victor, hi! Have not seen each other for a thousand years!
                      You're right - the main result! It’s good that they unite - it will be easier to defend! And not only...
                      Just not played too much!
                      1. cniza
                        cniza 24 November 2017 21: 19 New
                        +5
                        The logic of sanity has long demanded this, and so they are raiding. because they played too much.
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 24 November 2017 22: 04 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Anarchist
                    'announce the whole list, please!'

                    The whole list of Surkov. because of this list, Mozgovoy and Pasha Dremov did not become.
                2. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 46 New
                  +1
                  But in Moldova everyone knows about this?
                3. Hammerlock
                  Hammerlock 25 November 2017 13: 56 New
                  0
                  Germany? Rather, a Chosen People
          3. volot-voin
            volot-voin 24 November 2017 20: 21 New
            +4
            Quote: Zibelew
            Yeah. Nearly. Let's hope that the arrival of Plotnitsky in Russia (at least temporarily, at least forever) will benefit both the DPR and LPR, and possibly New Russia.
            “They famously met, almost bragged” In order not to spoil the image of the Republics, they offered to resign voluntarily.
          4. kapitan92
            kapitan92 24 November 2017 21: 00 New
            +8
            Quote: Zibelew
            Yeah. Nearly. Let's hope that the arrival of Plotnitsky in Russia (at least temporarily, at least forever) will benefit both the DPR and LPR, and possibly New Russia.

            It seems that Plotnitsky came to Moscow to exchange his position with Kremlin guarantees. He made money, live for yourself and live like Yanukovych, although after a N-th amount of time the street can cross the wrong place.
          5. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 25 November 2017 02: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Zibelew
            almost burned out at work ..

            Monomakh's hat is heavy! So health suffered from hard physical labor: to keep the republic on its shoulders recourse ... And we ... are so unfair! .... they say, a liar, a grabber, a provocateur .... everyone strives to offend the leader! And he does not have a standardized working day!
            1. 72jora72
              72jora72 25 November 2017 04: 28 New
              +5
              Monomakh's hat is heavy! Well, health has suffered from hard physical labor: a republic on its shoulders to keep recourse
              But I’m wondering which one of you is smart, could head the Republic then in '14, defense, social ......... and from the couch, of course, everything is simple and clear.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 25 November 2017 09: 26 New
                +3
                But have they completely forgotten Bolotov? In any case, it’s possible that I’m not right. It’s true that the assessment of events, first of all, should be given by those who live in the LPR, who happen to be there, anyway, communicate ... I think .... through for some time more real conclusions on the events that have occurred will be known.
            2. weksha50
              weksha50 25 November 2017 13: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Monomakh's hat is heavy! So health suffered from hard physical labor: to keep the republic on its shoulders ...And we ... are so unfair! .... they say, a liar, a grabber, a provocateur .... leader strives to offend everyone!


              Hmm ... Jokes - as jokes ... But what about the accusations that he was ready to integrate the LPR into Ukraine? That is, to completely betray the case of Novorossia ... How about other charges of subversive activities, of hacking? And suddenly - at his own request, he becomes the controller for the implementation of the Minsk agreements ...

              Here, prostitution is primarily on our part, from Moscow ... As yesterday famously Peskov fenced off from Plotnitsky’s arrival in Moscow (we don’t know anything, he’s flying about his business) ...

              And - I do not want to say anything bad - the face of the new chapter reminded something of Klimkin_Chugunkin ... Is it not a double? laughing

              I don’t jerk ... It’s insulting, annoying, disgusting for our Moscow principality-boyars, for their very low social literacy and responsibility ... hi
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 25 November 2017 15: 02 New
                +3
                We here in Russia do not know much yet ... reliably about the events in the LPR and the DPR, more or less, those who live there can reason. Unfortunately, their voice “sounds” here on the site, not loudly. Still, it’s better to wait with "sharp" conclusions ... until "clarification" !?
        2. Going
          Going 24 November 2017 20: 04 New
          18
          If they do not unite, then there will be a complete seam, there is no other way, serious events are coming and we need a single fist and center.
          1. hrych
            hrych 24 November 2017 20: 06 New
            +6
            Quote: Going
            If they do not unite, then there will be a complete seam, there is no other way, serious events are coming and we need a single fist and center.

            He is and this is the Kremlin laughing
            1. Going
              Going 24 November 2017 20: 11 New
              +8
              Still needed and in place otherwise, an example of Plotnitsky, begins to tear.
              1. pjastolov
                pjastolov 24 November 2017 20: 41 New
                +6
                Quote: Going
                Still needed and in place otherwise, an example of Plotnitsky, begins to tear.

                the suite is beautifully written - but who is the composer?
                1. Going
                  Going 24 November 2017 20: 43 New
                  +9
                  It doesn’t matter if it weren’t false.
                2. kirgiz58
                  kirgiz58 24 November 2017 21: 45 New
                  +3
                  Quote: pjastolov
                  but who is the composer?

                  The composer is sometimes known by the program, but the conductor is always in front of the public. winked
                  1. Going
                    Going 24 November 2017 23: 21 New
                    +8
                    Who cares, the main thing is music in unison.
                3. Yuyuka
                  Yuyuka 24 November 2017 22: 12 New
                  +3
                  Quote: pjastolov
                  Quote: Going
                  Still needed and in place otherwise, an example of Plotnitsky, begins to tear.

                  the suite is beautifully written - but who is the composer?


                  with us, if a song is talentedly written, it becomes a folk song repeat
          2. RUSS
            RUSS 24 November 2017 21: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Going
            If they do not unite, then there will be a complete seam, there is no other way, serious events are coming and we need a single fist and center.

            What kind of serious events is that?
        3. The comment was deleted.
          1. Don
            Don 24 November 2017 20: 30 New
            11
            Quote: destination
            This, so to speak, man would have burned himself out at work, so he had burned so many Good PEOPLES in your own terms. ............?

            I, like you, was also very looking forward to this moment. True, we thought he would be slammed for our best comrades, whom he ruined. But, not yet evening, as they say. Shot glass today slam for such an event. And this is really an event, because the internal enemy will be more dangerous than the external, especially if he is also in power
            1. hrych
              hrych 24 November 2017 20: 49 New
              +5
              Quote: Donskoy
              True, we thought he would be slammed for our best comrades, whom he ruined.

              Or maybe they were eliminated, just by the Pasechnik, Cornet and Co. Those. those who overthrew and Plotnitsky. There was no such thought?
              Quote: Donskoy
              Shot glass today slam for such an event.

              A sell in the store? Is there a passport? wassat
              1. Don
                Don 25 November 2017 09: 30 New
                +4
                Quote: hrych
                A sell in the store? Is there a passport? wassat

                You should use this passport for bream in the face for rudeness, an Internet dick juvenile
        4. Ulan
          Ulan 24 November 2017 21: 44 New
          +1
          Hopefully. But I would like to get a comment from the field.
      2. Monos
        Monos 24 November 2017 20: 11 New
        10
        This is stated in the statement Head of the Ministry of State Security (MGB) Republic of Leonid Pasechnik ...
        I take up the duties of the head of the Republic ...

        Original. No, this is not bad and not good. It’s just original - to remove the chapter and, without bothering with puppets, to put the head of the MGB.
        1. pjastolov
          pjastolov 24 November 2017 20: 43 New
          +7
          Quote: Monos
          It’s just original - to remove the chapter and, without bothering with puppets, to put the head of the MGB.

          the second question arises - where did this chapter look before, or is it a planned action request
          1. cniza
            cniza 24 November 2017 20: 55 New
            +4
            Greetings Volodya! hi , we all observe the development of historical events, however, characters in the annals of history will not fall.
            1. pjastolov
              pjastolov 24 November 2017 21: 04 New
              +9
              Victor hi Well, in anal and I would not want laughing
              1. cniza
                cniza 24 November 2017 21: 20 New
                +4
                You count the letters n, they will be like a fortress from your fears. lol
                1. cniza
                  cniza 24 November 2017 21: 55 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Monos
                  Original. No, this is not bad and not good. It’s just original - to remove the chapter and, without bothering with puppets, to put the head of the MGB.

                  Teska, welcome! hi a complicated thing life dies from it, and the process of becoming or separating, it is not easy.
                  1. Monos
                    Monos 24 November 2017 23: 45 New
                    +5
                    Glad to welcome, Victor! hi drinks
                    Something pulled you on philosophy. DR Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov celebrate? smile Joke. Although, it’s not a sin to drink for him. smile drinks
      3. the monastery
        the monastery 24 November 2017 22: 33 New
        +1
        until the elections in Russia take place, we will not have a serious movement!
        so let's wait for the election.
        and Cornet immediately instead of roach, it will be too obvious!
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 24 November 2017 19: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Resident of the Urals
      Interestingly, the process of unification with the DPR will now go uphill or

      I think that according to the aspirations of the inhabitants of the LPR, the DPR will accept them and they will unite.
      Plotnitsky could leave a little earlier, more dignifiedly, without cues about flight and grappling.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 24 November 2017 20: 14 New
      17
      The issue of Plotnitsky was decided this winter in January-February and many were sure that he would not be there until spring, but then they postponed and hushed up. I do not exclude that there will be an acting one, and the association will be in a referendum in the spring.
      1. 79807420129
        79807420129 24 November 2017 20: 29 New
        13
        Quote: Sith Lord
        and the union will be in a referendum in the spring.

        Sergei hi The referendum will be in the spring, winter can be hot, dill will not be trampled? hi
        1. Going
          Going 24 November 2017 20: 38 New
          12
          There is trade and how it will end, even more knowledgeable people do not know, we will only have to wait.
        2. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 24 November 2017 20: 47 New
          23
          And they flooded, well, in the sense of the assault troops brought to the front line. Yesterday already received in the LC. There they had the idea that they cut off the LPR from the DPR, and Plotnitsky promotes them, but ours were ahead of the curve. And all these “between strife” are so for the platform.
      2. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 24 November 2017 20: 38 New
        13
        Sergey, please tell me - are the citizens of the two republics themselves ready for unification? And then, frankly, already got forecasts of all kinds of "experts".
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 24 November 2017 20: 49 New
          26
          Back in 2014, we are ready to be the "Federal District of Donbass", in principle, as planned.
        2. BLOND
          BLOND 24 November 2017 21: 09 New
          13
          Quote: Stock Officer
          Sergey, please tell me - are the citizens of the two republics themselves ready for unification? And then, frankly, already got forecasts of all kinds of "experts".

          Vladyka will not let you lie ... Donetsk has always been stronger both economically and personnelly and for everyone under the USSR, on the outskirts and even after 2014 ...
          Residents of the Luhansk region (LPR) understand that after the "unification of the LPR and the DPR" Donetsk will dominate, but they understand that this is the best option.
          You can play everything with the "wrong handouts" in the government offices of Lugansk.

          This is my assessment and my opinion about the mood of ordinary people
          1. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 24 November 2017 21: 27 New
            21
            What have we done to the country? After all, as I remember now, my wife and I in 83 went down the Seversky Donets River in kayaks in the company of our friends for a honeymoon. And ahead was a huge endless happiness ...
            1. cniza
              cniza 24 November 2017 21: 35 New
              17
              You know, in my eyes, too, tears come from impotence, what happened to our Motherland.
              1. Ivan Ivanov
                Ivan Ivanov 24 November 2017 21: 58 New
                11
                we need to look for healthy forces that will take a course on the social state and reintegration
                1. osoboye_mneniye
                  osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 08: 10 New
                  +5
                  Quote: IvanIvanov
                  we need to look for healthy forces that will take a course on the social state and reintegration

                  Everyone is nostalgic here, I watch. But they don’t understand simple questions. There will be no social state. The President clearly said that the health of citizens is their concern. Without the owners of factories, newspapers, ships, our country cannot do anything. This means that the development of the country is determined by its owners. And why do they need a socially built state, when for training, medicine, etc. you can take money and earn capital? Why do they need a healthy, enlightened and active population?
                  Healthy forces, what are these? How did you get the idea that they even exist, and, moreover, want to bless you? Why aren’t you ready to be a healthy force?
                  For now, I only see that the masters of the country act from the instinct of self-preservation. They press Russia by seizing adjacent territories and sanctions - we rivet weapons and replace imports. Everything that is not directly related to sanctions (the social network you mentioned - medicine, education, housing and communal services) is effectively degrading.
                  1. Ivan Ivanov
                    Ivan Ivanov 25 November 2017 10: 05 New
                    0
                    The left has signs of health, such as a course towards a social state, and overcoming technology dependency. I don’t know how numerous (including the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) and consolidated, but the Red Line channel is sensible.
                    1. osoboye_mneniye
                      osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 11: 45 New
                      +2
                      Quote: IvanIvanov
                      The left has signs of health, such as a course towards a social state, and overcoming technology dependency. I don’t know how numerous (including the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) and consolidated, but the Red Line channel is sensible.


                      Now is the time not for speeches, but for deeds. I don’t see them doing anything. They do not have a single intelligible information resource. Smart people say smart things. And that’s it. Truly serious issues, such as the struggle against the lawlessness of business in the social sphere, for example, they do not raise, they do not lead the fight.
                      They are not capable of anything.
                      1. Ivan Ivanov
                        Ivan Ivanov 25 November 2017 20: 07 New
                        0
                        How not to raise. And who is talking about limiting the scope of business (education, medicine, infrastructure), nationalizing large-scale industry and mineral resources, reviewing the results of privatization, protecting the interests of the manufacturer, restoring science and education along the Soviet lines, indicative planning. Another thing is that the left has few votes in the Duma, liberals have settled in the government and economic institutions, you just can't smoke them, the president fills roofing system liberals, I’m not ready for cleaning. The left is the only force who offers an economic alternative.
                    2. osoboye_mneniye
                      osoboye_mneniye 26 November 2017 22: 12 New
                      0
                      Quote: IvanIvanov
                      How not to raise. And who is talking about limiting the scope of business (education, medicine, infrastructure), nationalizing large-scale industry and mineral resources, reviewing the results of privatization, protecting the interests of the manufacturer, restoring science and education along the Soviet lines, indicative planning. Another thing is that the left has few votes in the Duma, liberals have settled in the government and economic institutions, you just can't smoke them, the president fills roofing system liberals, I’m not ready for cleaning. The left is the only force who offers an economic alternative.

                      Duc is the same chatter, divorced from reality. They are absolutely economically illiterate. Russia has absolutely no resources to fulfill all their Wishlist. And it will not be until all production capacities are returned to the state and people. Without war, this is impossible. But even if returned, then to whom? To those who all this in the 91st, and their children? What for??!
                      Do not look, the Communist Party and the revolution do not prepare (because how can it be so ?!), and in the prevailing realities do not act in the interests of the people, because how can it be?). Very comfortable position.
                      Well, no one forgot the elections they fused in the 90s. Then their electorate was still in force. Much was possible .. Now their train left. And they are good))
                      1. Ivan Ivanov
                        Ivan Ivanov 27 November 2017 17: 18 New
                        0
                        There is more than one way, you can deprivatize, you can limit it, as in Scandinavia. The country is not one of the Chubais of the Gaidars, there were constructive primaki Maslyuk Gerashchenko, in which the revival of industry reached 2-digit numbers. I think that the professionals didn’t get carried away now, there would be tools for implementation (votes in the Duma, posts in the government) and political will.
                    3. osoboye_mneniye
                      osoboye_mneniye 28 November 2017 09: 21 New
                      0
                      Quote: IvanIvanov
                      There is more than one way, you can deprivatize, you can limit it, as in Scandinavia. The country is not one of the Chubais of the Gaidars, there were constructive primaki Maslyuk Gerashchenko, in which the revival of industry reached 2-digit numbers. I think that the professionals didn’t get carried away now, there would be tools for implementation (votes in the Duma, posts in the government) and political will.


                      I didn’t understand about Scandinavia .. Capitalism is quite there. What nationalization are you talking about? http://anticomprador.ru/publ/5-1-0-171
                      There will be no nationalization without war. And no one will accept such laws without war.
                      Primakov-Maslyukov could not do anything. And they won’t be able to. Who will allow them to withdraw capital? And in whose favor? Who is ready to work in factories? In the 91st, the workers' collectives were given the factories. And no one began to do anything, they simply plundered and sold to the oligarchs for nothing. If even the collectives of enterprises did not need their enterprises, then what are you talking about? In case of nationalization, enterprises will be able to work normally only in a planned economy with 100% state ownership of all assets. Do you understand that this is possible only through civil war and intervention? Are you ready for this?
                      1. Ivan Ivanov
                        Ivan Ivanov 28 November 2017 20: 54 New
                        0
                        In Scandinavia, capital is limited by social laws, despite private property non-market redistributing up to 50% of GDP, i.e. essentially resembles socialism in many ways.
                        They plundered and sold primarily because they broke the economic chains that ensured demand, plundered where the eccentric managers were at the head of the enterprise, where bandit pressure was put, etc.

                        Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                        In case of nationalization, enterprises will be able to work normally only in a planned economy with 100% state ownership of all assets

                        China quite successfully combines the planned and market ones, having a dual-circuit economy (they control capital, they have their own credit flows, their own exchange, etc.) Nationalize the large industry, natural monopolies seized at collateral auctions. We need to think carefully about the specifics, but the direction itself is right.
                    4. osoboye_mneniye
                      osoboye_mneniye 28 November 2017 23: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: IvanIvanov
                      In Scandinavia, capital is limited by social laws, despite private property non-market redistributing up to 50% of GDP, i.e. essentially resembles socialism in many ways.
                      They plundered and sold primarily because they broke the economic chains that ensured demand, plundered where the eccentric managers were at the head of the enterprise, where bandit pressure was put, etc.

                      This is not socialism, but its appearance. The sources that I found (did you read my link?) Say that in Scandinavia the trend is just going to privatization. So in Russia the same thing. The state leaves a controlling stake to itself, and sells the rest. Here you have your 50% of GDP from state-owned enterprises and the complete weakness of the state to ensure the development of enterprises (otherwise why privatize?).
                      Chains, cranks, pressure ... these are all excuses. I personally know people who sat in cottages built on stolen when the enterprise was drowned, and smart guys bought up shares for a pittance in order to pull out a piece of land from under the enterprise. And I know those who put the remnants of health, but pulled the company into the modern market, did not let go to the bottom. Everything depends on people, and not on chains, cranks and pressure. You would think that there were chains in the pre-war USSR, there were no cranks and pressure .. But, by the way, NEP was still not avoided as an interim measure. And you, as I understand it, offer NEP as a permanent measure.
                      About China ... why compare? We do not have 1,5 billion people, mild climate, lack of geopolitical interests, etc. But there are technologies that the Chinese can’t surpass, because they can only do fakes that always give way to the original. While the Chinese threw all cheap consumer goods and nothing more. So they will not defeat anyone. World events show that any independent prosperous country can be in ruins if there is no weapon in return. In a serious set of circumstances, the Chinese will have only one effective weapon - with their entire population, simultaneously jump and land in order to drive the Earth out of orbit with a powerful impulse and thus arrange an apocalypse.
                      1. Ivan Ivanov
                        Ivan Ivanov 29 November 2017 13: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                        in Scandinavia, the trend is just going to privatization. So in Russia the same thing.


                        So what is this talking about? The competitor in the person of the USSR has disappeared, you can cut the social network. If they continue in the same spirit, expanding the rights of capital, they will obviously come to the stratification of the American and then to the Latin American. Everything that is in the hands of the state is just in fair condition. Recently, an effective manager from the ministry said: “collected (meaning from the fragments of the 90s), consolidated, launched now we sell” there is one reason - market dogmatism, “private is better than state” otherwise they would not ask them the questions “why sell an income-generating enterprise”. Even the father of our privatization, Koch admitted: "efficiency does not depend on the form of ownership but on the quality of management." What prevents the state from hiring an effective manager? At the same time, the income is guaranteed to go to development, to socially useful things, and not to my uncle’s pocket in a yacht.
                        How did those who sat on cottages or entered the modern market cancel the negative from broken chains and raiding? Considering that 1/10 fit into the market and even less spontaneously organized, even with the best intentions, it is not surprising that the industry collapsed, as it happened, it was literally privatized by the workshops, putting them in the "every man for himself" position. By the way, if on the site of the owners, "summer residents" of the state, seizure of land would not have happened.
                        In the pre-war Soviet Union, the state was building the chains according to the goals (self-sufficiency, preparation for war), the approved plan, and they dealt with eccentrics toughly and systematically. In the post-perestroika RF, randomly building chains was given to free economic agents, whose goal was to maximize profits at a minimum of costs, it is not surprising that for many, sawing and selling an asset that fell from the sky without extra expenses is a wonderful business move.
                  2. weksha50
                    weksha50 25 November 2017 13: 46 New
                    +4
                    Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                    There will be no social state.


                    Another question is that Moscow (Russia) will not allow New Russia to become a social state ... In your (and in our) understanding ...

                    However ... Russia (on paper, under the Constitution) is also a social state ... It’s to blame, not Russia, but the Russian Federation ...
                    And if the oligarchs allegedly do not allow Putin to make Russia a clearly social state, then who can forbid a new state in battle to become a social state, like the RSFSR once, like Cuba, Vietnam, North Korea?
                    My thoughts, of course, are amateurish, however ... why not ???
                    1. osoboye_mneniye
                      osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 18: 22 New
                      +1
                      You know, my friend in the DPR died when the porridge was brewed ... Therefore, I know that people are fighting for a just cause. In Ukraine, great events have always happened. And in the Civil, and in the Great Patriotic War. I also have hopes that there will be able to implement a more just state than in Russia. The will of the population is. But the Russian oligarchy is in no hurry to help. He knows that if the right ideas prevail there, then in Russia the oligarchs are covered. Therefore, with the Minsk Agreements, such a bootlegg lasts .. the impression is that they knit them on their hands.
                      1. weksha50
                        weksha50 25 November 2017 22: 08 New
                        +1
                        Quote: osoboye_mneniye
                        But the Russian oligarchy is in no hurry to help. He knows that if the right ideas prevail there, then in Russia the oligarchs are covered.


                        Voooot ... You yourself answered the question ...
                        As far back as 2014, I went on to say that in vain the republics of Novorossia began to publicly call themselves people and talk about social equality ... Here, our, Russian, oligarchs heard ... and they went into the wheel ...

                        And you still say: "The Russian oligarchy is in no hurry to help us" ... HA !!! Say thank you, that this oligarchy did not yet completely destroy these republics ... They give an example of very bad ... wassat
            2. Ulan
              Ulan 24 November 2017 21: 50 New
              12
              And I got married in the 82nd and also, apart from a happy future, saw nothing for myself and my family.
              1. cniza
                cniza 24 November 2017 21: 58 New
                14
                There are many of you, and we are shuddering to see what will happen next, all our values ​​have been destroyed.
            3. Yuyuka
              Yuyuka 24 November 2017 22: 19 New
              +7
              Quote: Stock Officer
              What have we done to the country? After all, as I remember now, my wife and I in 83 went down the Seversky Donets River in kayaks in the company of our friends for a honeymoon. And ahead was a huge endless happiness ...


              and I in 1992 ... kayaking ... even then I still could not believe that it was already abroad .... was not taken seriously. The local driver, when they paid in rubles, was glad - "Oh, pennies! But not that candy wrappers" it's about hryvnias ... oh ... great Russian! ... obscene ... hi
            4. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 24 November 2017 22: 27 New
              10
              Quote: Reserve officer
              What have we done to the country? After all, as I remember now, my wife and I in 83 went down the Seversky Donets River in kayaks in the company of our friends for a honeymoon. And ahead was a huge endless happiness ...

              This, Buddy was in our glorious socialist past ...
              Eskimo, boat stations, shooting galleries for girls, cinema tickets for 50 kopecks ... and you are a free person and the whole WORLD in your pocket ......
              1. dauria
                dauria 24 November 2017 22: 46 New
                11
                movie tickets for 50 kopecks ... and you are a free person and the whole WORLD in your pocket ......


                Ofigeva. Yes to all of us, ALL polls of those who married in the 80s and before Bosko unscrew. Before our eyes, Yeltsin was arranging a nativity scene in Moscow, and we looked ... Most of us were scratching our turnips in bewilderment, someone was happy, but no one stood up. Units, and they did not understand.
                What are we whining about now? Here are the children, your children have something to say? They didn’t prosroy- their happiness. So do not whine.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 24 November 2017 23: 01 New
                  +9
                  Alexei, what are you talking about? who whines we survived, and now we live to the best of our ability and ability, and you continue to scratch what you itch.
                  1. osoboye_mneniye
                    osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 08: 22 New
                    +2
                    Quote: cniza
                    Alexei, what are you talking about? who whines we survived, and now we live to the best of our ability and ability, and you continue to scratch what you itch.

                    By the way, surely he told you. That in response you are trying to offend him, it means that you admitted that he was right. You are used to living under the Soviets to the best of your abilities and abilities. And under Yeltsin, they tried to live like that. And now you think that you have the right to live to the best of your ability, that let someone wave another saber. Do you really think that someday your children or grandchildren will not ask you in response to your nostalgic outpourings - But how did it happen to you ??
                    And what, you tell them that the kids are sorry, but we lived to the best of our abilities and abilities, but now you have to dance and overcome the consequences of our inability to work beyond our capabilities?
                    They tell you about this ..
                2. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 24 November 2017 23: 02 New
                  11
                  You are from another country writing to us sickly. Vile comment you got, Alex.
                  I don’t know how old you are and whether you feel that era. We all had an unshakable faith in our leadership. In the same Yeltsin. And none of us expected a mean betrayal from above. Remember the oath? "... I am ready by order of the Soviet Government ..." But what if this government is the main enemy?
                  The topic is old. Of course, if only I knew. Yes, and what was to be done? Declare yourself supreme, raise bombers and bomb? Whom? Where?
                  Nobody takes off his guilt. And me too. But no one said what had to be done then.
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 24 November 2017 23: 16 New
                    +4
                    Alexei, your teska mixed up everything that could have been invented, we are all to blame for the collapse of our country, but I am convinced that we will be reborn, we will stand and win, and let the sufferers whimper further.
                    1. Reserve officer
                      Reserve officer 24 November 2017 23: 21 New
                      +3
                      That's right, Victor! Shake your hand. My boundless respect.
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter 24 November 2017 23: 29 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    Ema is old. Of course, if only I knew. Yes, and what was to be done? Declare yourself supreme, raise bombers and bomb? Whom? Where?

                    The command "A" passed .....
                    But it was necessary to bomb !!!
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    Nobody takes off his guilt. And me too. But no one said what had to be done then.

                    Accordingly, the rank and file showed the greatest combat readiness, and such, bbbbbb, like Pasha Mercedes, burn him in hell, they handed over everything for a tidbit .. and those Boys who were later burnt in Chechnya, right in the armor and right on the march ....
                  3. osoboye_mneniye
                    osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 08: 56 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Stock Officer
                    Remember the oath text? "... I am ready by order of the Soviet Government ..." But what if this government is the main enemy?
                    .
                    Nobody takes off his guilt. And me too. But no one said what had to be done then.


                    It is clear that it’s a shame for you to listen to this. But why be offended? So it was necessary to fulfill the oath when the Soviet government became decrepit and fell into a trap. The Emergency Committee had to be supported. But it’s clear that even then you were brainwashed, and you were embarrassed by the habit. The receivers of the sworn government were mistaken. This is because even then they are used to living relaxed, to the best of their ability.
                    But it's not that. Question - what next? You now want to live to the best of your ability. And we are ready to follow the party, wait where it will lead you, then betray it and arrange the 91st again. That is what the comrade above warns you against.
                    The president can give us (and you) only laws to combat the dominance of bureaucrats and business in the social network, according to which you can regain power to yourself (the people), and can provide state supervision over their (laws) enforcement. And it is up to you whether you need power in the country, and whether you are ready to strain for a legitimate struggle for it, or if you need nostalgic outpourings and the expectation of a new 91st.
                    The president is trying to return power to the people without blood. First, entrust simple questions. Then more difficult. But the people refuse to solve simple questions. Where is it to entrust the power of the people over the country ..
                    While I see that citizens are extremely infantile and passive. To argue in court for all your personal interests with the inspector of the traffic police or with the doctor, in an osprey, run into a defenseless teacher at school, go out into the swamp, this is always welcome. It’s just a swing of rights and a shake of air. But no one wants to unite to counter arbitrariness in the housing and communal services, to support medical institutions and institutions that bureaucrats are now trying in every possible way to hide, hiding behind specious and not very goals, in other words, to unite to protect collective interests. This must be strained beyond measure)) Why? Let the children strain, grandchildren ..
                  4. Krabik
                    Krabik 25 November 2017 10: 25 New
                    +2
                    Everything was gradually and tangibly destroyed by Gorbachev under the screen of perestroika.

                    So comrade dauria told you softly, but I will add.

                    Some citizens simply cluttered in the corner and charging water from Chumak watched the collapse of the USSR, some chewed gum, walked in jeans and rode on the Maidan for $ 100.

                    Someone stood on the roofs and shot protesters at the white house for their 30 pieces of silver.

                    Now I don’t remember exactly, but like the special forces Alpha was clearly noted in this field.

                    I wonder why they behaved so vilely at that time.

                    Probably, too, like you were hiding behind the screen of "orders" and committed crimes.

                    And someone trite dragged everything that is bad and took out over the hill.

                    Well, our valiant "communist" Zyuganov was ruining the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and created his own pocket party of the Communist Party.
                    1. Reserve officer
                      Reserve officer 25 November 2017 12: 58 New
                      +3
                      I was at the Semipalatinsk test site then, I remember very well my reaction and the reaction of my colleagues - a complete misunderstanding of what was happening. For all of us, the government, the Central Committee, the command — these were both father and mother. They raised us like that, from the age of October.
                      Alexander, the army is not a special service. And the order is not a screen, as you said, but a law. Or was it necessary to shoot the commanders of regiments and divisions? This has already happened in our history and how it ended - you know very well. The army is needed to defend against an external enemy, for war.
                      But to protect the state from special operations from the outside and from internal enemies, there is a state security service.
                      1. osoboye_mneniye
                        osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 18: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Reserve officer
                        But to protect the state from special operations from the outside and from internal enemies, there is a state security service.


                        And if the KGB is paralyzed (as, in fact, was)? What then, disappear the country, is it your side? It just so happened. Until people admit, even to themselves, that they did not do everything they could, the danger of a recurrence of trouble will not go anywhere. I often notice the problem with the older generation that they are afraid to admit their mistakes (even if it was objectively very difficult to avoid). And this is the road to nowhere. They and children grow up the same irresponsible, and grandchildren. They do not understand that while remaining white and fluffy, they cover villains and deprive the future of their descendants.
                    2. weksha50
                      weksha50 25 November 2017 13: 56 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Krabik
                      Some of the citizens simply cluttered in the corner and charging water from Chumak watched the collapse of the USSR, some chewing gum, went in jeans and rode on the "Maidan" for $ 100a.
                      Someone stood on the roofs and shot protesters at the white house for their 30 silver coins.
                      I don’t remember exactly now, but like special forces Alpha brightly marked in this field.
                      I wonder why they behaved so vilely at that time.


                      Hmm ... you didn’t mess up anything in your vinaigrette ???
                      1. Krabik
                        Krabik 25 November 2017 16: 12 New
                        +1
                        I’m not writing a dissertation here, so small artistic inclusions in the text are quite acceptable;)
                  5. weksha50
                    weksha50 25 November 2017 13: 52 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Reserve officer
                    Yes, and what was to be done? Declare yourself supremepick up the bombers and bomb? Whom? Where?


                    One announced ... Dudaev ... on the scale of one free republic ...
                    Until now, the country does not know the whole truth about the victims - both human and material - and, probably, will never know ...

                    And if porridge was brewed all over the country ... It’s scary to think ... hi
                3. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 24 November 2017 23: 12 New
                  +7
                  Quote: dauria
                  What are we whining about now? Here are the children, your children have something to say? They didn’t prosroy- their happiness. So do not whine.

                  Bacha, and who is aching? I arrived home after the hospital in 88th at the end of September, and ah ... how so ?! While on the train they thumped, “bombed” all the freaks, different thimbles, some kind of leather jackets ..... And in Moscow I’m on the checks, Boys have collected me, well, paychecks, I wanted to buy gifts for everyone and ... the huckster comes in two rubles for the "check" .. the energy and great thirst for life after all left the hayfoot from the udotas — red balls instead of mugs ..., then the cops then, they let go after a couple of hours, but with instructions, they say Boys are a different country .... Which bolt is the other? Further youth is an adidas two-cassette suit Panasonic, “I am a hero, and you are awesome” ... girls dancing restaurants, and I got married in the 89th!
                  I don’t say how containers were poured into sanitary boards from there ... And about the clock with a calculator that "bought" prapora with bags from "peaceful Dykkhan", are we too?
                  Etc. um p., agree with us on the book those memories are enough.
                  and when they returned, the country was almost gone.
                  And I’ll also remind you that under the demobilization, our political officer “tamped” the tent for the new political officer, who was stuck somewhere in the bowels of the Ministry of Defense or PU for three and a half months in the sense of rotation, and how now to be with this new political officer, who is not with us in BV went out ?!
                  Something like this, Bacha! soldier
              2. alexhol
                alexhol 24 November 2017 22: 51 New
                +1
                When you have 50kop in your pocket, and the whole world in your pocket is youth. "And if there is a pack in your pocket, cigarettes and a plane ticket with a silver wing ..." This is youth, Stroporez, this is nostalgia and no more ...
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 22: 56 New
                  10
                  Quote: alexhol
                  This is youth, Stroporez, this is nostalgia and no more

                  This is a local tribune agitator. Presses on nostalgia now, yes.
                  1. atakan
                    atakan 25 November 2017 02: 53 New
                    +3
                    This is a local tribune agitator.

                    yeah alligator))
                    mimocrocodile laughing
                2. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 25 November 2017 02: 05 New
                  +4
                  Quote: alexhol
                  When you have 50kop in your pocket, and the whole world in your pocket is youth. "And if there is a pack in your pocket, cigarettes and a plane ticket with a silver wing ..." This is youth, Stroporez, this is nostalgia and no more ...

                  I can argue! Fundamentally fifty kopecks in your pocket is no different ... Besides the fact that you slander this fifty kopecks every day.
                  And when in your two years too you have in your pockets except a cartridge, NS, sukhpayov, fuses, grenades, loose shag, again shaken through cartridges, somewhere a paramedol syringe, again everything is in tobacco, a “bra” in which you trying to stick two, then jump with this avoi, to have more space for the “zinc” in the taxiway is cool! PATAMUSTA then it was LIFE!
                  And if there is a pack of cigarettes in your pocket ..., So on m they gave out “Hunters”, I’m not mistaken 6 kopecks., “Pamir” and I remember “Miners”,
                  Complete the lists of "free Dykkhan" Shuravi!)))))
          2. cniza
            cniza 24 November 2017 21: 36 New
            +4
            Do not go crazy, common sense and expediency should dominate, for the good of all.

            “Residents of the Luhansk region (LPR) understand that after the“ unification of the LPR and the DPR ”Donetsk will dominate, but they understand that this is the best option.
            1. BLOND
              BLOND 24 November 2017 22: 20 New
              +5
              And they have been living for a long time - they’ve been living in a state of war for three years.
              2014 I call my sister, I ask how are you ... shelling ...
              She says either you have to sit in the cellar or do something ...
              So many tomatoes canned until shelling ... never eat

              ... and will never become normal
              1. cniza
                cniza 24 November 2017 22: 35 New
                +8
                What can I say ... my homeland is the city of Gorlovka, but I left there a very long time and for me the events in the Donbass are not empty words, I wholeheartedly with the people of Donbass and really hope for:
                they have been living for a long time - they’ve been living in a state of war for three years.

                I believe, pray and believe ...
                1. Reserve officer
                  Reserve officer 24 November 2017 23: 42 New
                  +9
                  Victor, and I have a friend with whom I studied together, from Gorlovka. He killed a mother, sister and two of her daughters with one shell. Granddaughter survived. He lived in St. Petersburg, went, as he said, to send at least one scum to the other world. Sent, and not one. But he himself died.
                  Two of his sons went to avenge him, with the blessing of their mother. They returned, alive, one, however, now crutches. But they avenged their father in full. One is a sniper, the other is a mortar.
                  Here is a story. Sometimes I regret that I am already under 60.
      3. Karabin
        Karabin 24 November 2017 20: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: Sith Lord
        and the union will be in a referendum in the spring.

        If again they will not bear and will not be crushed. Soon four years you are in limbo. Neither joining Russia, nor recognition, nor independence, nor distinct prospects. Neither war nor peace, only a bloody truce. I imagine how everyone should get tired of it.
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 24 November 2017 22: 00 New
          11
          Sure. I think now only on the eve of the elections to raise patriotism and% Putin, or immediately after.
      4. RUSS
        RUSS 24 November 2017 21: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Lord of the Sith
        The issue of Plotnitsky was decided this winter in January-February and many were sure that he would not be there until spring, but then they postponed and hushed up. I do not exclude that there will be an acting one, and the association will be in a referendum in the spring.

        You, like Pavel Globa, he also knows a lot, but especially knew, but did not say)))
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 24 November 2017 22: 02 New
          +9
          Unfortunately, all that I say is actually. But unfortunately there are all sorts of nuances, for example, expectations and hopes for a meeting between Trump and Putin in Hamburg, and then in Vietnam. All this does not depend on me. Everything was ready for us by June 1, and in the fall we had to hold a referendum.
          1. cniza
            cniza 24 November 2017 22: 08 New
            +5
            Political fuss is inevitable, but I want to believe that everything will be resolved as we all expect.
          2. Yuyuka
            Yuyuka 24 November 2017 22: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            Unfortunately, all that I say is actually. But unfortunately there are all sorts of nuances, for example, expectations and hopes for a meeting between Trump and Putin in Hamburg, and then in Vietnam. All this does not depend on me. Everything was ready for us by June 1, and in the fall we had to hold a referendum.


            unfortunately, some want everything at once, forgetting that “if something should happen, it necessarily happens” (c)
            it just so happens that all claims about non-occurring events are poured on you, due to the fact that all those above do not bother with explanations of what is happening. So patience and thanks for what you do. hi
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 24 November 2017 23: 45 New
              +6
              That's it! But few understand this! hi
              1. Yuyuka
                Yuyuka 25 November 2017 13: 34 New
                +2
                Quote: Lord of the Sith
                That's it! But few understand this! hi


                the main thing is that they do not make decisions ...
      5. weksha50
        weksha50 25 November 2017 13: 39 New
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        , and the union will be in a referendum in the spring.


        It is necessary to survive until spring ... Ukraine and patrons are pushing both peacekeepers and a host of other "nishtyaks" ... You can do so many nasty things and kill people, that - Mama Do not Cry!

        According to normal, humanly, it is ALREADY time to take both republics under the wing of Russia: at least recognize them and start helping quite officially ... hi
    4. RASKAT
      RASKAT 24 November 2017 20: 14 New
      +5
      Another semblance of a man threw one and a half million people. Like, I’m mowing sick here, and you live there as you want. Well, I was going to leave, say it as it is, they say I can’t cope with my duties, I'm sorry thanks for the trust, goodbye. And so in Tihari, as it is not masculine.
      I think so. request
    5. siberalt
      siberalt 24 November 2017 20: 56 New
      0
      Yes, there, it seems, it was decided to unite. The main one is Tsarev, the prime minister is Azarov, the power block is Zakharchenko.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 24 November 2017 21: 28 New
        +2
        "The Moor has done his work; the Moor must leave." Yes, Plotnitsky was overexposed - but apparently there were reasons for that. Not everything is as simple as we see below, not everyone is telling us - politics, her mother. Good people just can not be returned already, how much they were ruined by this "policy", who will be responsible for their deaths?
      2. RUSS
        RUSS 24 November 2017 21: 33 New
        0
        Quote: siberalt
        Yes, there, it seems, it was decided to unite. The main one is Tsarev, the prime minister is Azarov, the power block is Zakharchenko.

        Damn well, where did such information come from? Is this just invented?
    6. zivXP
      zivXP 24 November 2017 21: 34 New
      0
      Interestingly, the process of unification with the DPR will now go uphill or will it still remain?

      Something tells me that everything will be "within the framework of the Minsk agreements." And there, unfortunately, no New Russia is provided for. Oh, and there were such hopes now.
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    8. UVB
      UVB 24 November 2017 22: 03 New
      +5
      interesting process of unification with the DNI will now go uphill
      How did you get with this association! Can you even imagine what a headache it is? The republics have only created their own state structures, the foundations of legislation, their banking systems and so on, and now redraw everything? Yes, more interaction, coherence, is needed. And first of all, completely liberate the territories of the former regions! And unification in its current form essentially means the abandonment of the occupied territories.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 24 November 2017 22: 36 New
        +6
        In fact, thoughts about the revival of the entire USSR are often heard here. So your “problems” in uniting the two former Soviet provinces, which are now proudly referred to as republics, are a storm in a glass of water. I understand that everywhere there are their bosses, their "seniors", their accounts and finances, etc. Only, in my opinion, the people (or the population, as they say now) do not care much about it. Peace and life - no one else asks for anything. And the more land and people, the greater the chances of peace and survival.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 25 November 2017 01: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Reserve officer
          In fact, thoughts about the revival of the entire USSR are often heard here.

          here a lot of things sound .... and not only here !!! Are you sure that the vast majority of the population of Russia wants to unite back with the "fraternal" republics ??? what what what especially looking at what maneuvers they are doing towards Russia !!! negative negative laughing laughing laughing
          1. osoboye_mneniye
            osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 11: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Nikolai Grek
            Quote: Reserve officer
            In fact, thoughts about the revival of the entire USSR are often heard here.

            here a lot of things sound .... and not only here !!! Are you sure that the vast majority of the population of Russia wants to unite back with the "fraternal" republics ??? what what what especially looking at what maneuvers they are doing towards Russia !!! negative negative laughing laughing laughing


            Unless everything built is plundered and rolled into the abyss of poverty and war, they will not want to unite. And the partners will do their best not to slide, but live on a short leash (IMF loans, for example). So, before unification, stomp like walking to the moon.
            And yes. With a liberal course, this will not be the USSR, but the empire. For the USSR to be, power must be returned to the people. Without blood, such things do not work. And the people will be ready for blood only when the IMF loans run out and they pull everything away completely.
            1. Nikolai Grek
              Nikolai Grek 25 November 2017 14: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: osoboye_mneniye
              So, before unification, stomp like walking to the moon.

              I repeat to you once again, if you are poorly absorbing what you read ... are you sure that the vast majority of Russians are for unification with the "fraternal" republics ??? taking into account how they behave in relation to Russia !!!
              1. osoboye_mneniye
                osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 18: 48 New
                0
                Quote: Nikolai the Greek
                I repeat to you once again, if you are poorly absorbing what you read ... are you sure that the vast majority of Russians are for unification with the "fraternal" republics ??? taking into account how they behave in relation to Russia !!!


                You, too, do not really catch it. I explained that the question is not so much about the attitude of the republics towards us or ours towards them, but about the vision of everyone, that there is still something to steal and what to eat, it simply makes no sense to unite. Is it really not clear that I am answering exactly your question, but are shifting the emphasis?
                And what about the behavior of the republics in relation to Russia? Should they want our oligarchs to come? Remember what started with Belarus in the light of unification? Our oligarchs then fell off the chain. What is the story of Belaruskali worth ..
                The same Ukraine surrendered to the only capable force - the fascists, if only they would not let our bourgeoisie go. So you need to understand well that in the end, Russia provoked the situation in Ukraine. Who put the bandits in power? Who drove in bondage loans? And then it's a matter of technology. The partners warmed up, threw money to the Nazis, and off we go.
                And how should republics look at all this?
                That they are weakly sane, this is understandable. But this is not the reason for Russia to push them away. Here, rather, the reason I'm talking about. The republics themselves do not want. And they don’t want to, until they become impoverished at all.
    9. dSK
      dSK 25 November 2017 08: 22 New
      +1
      "The head of the Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Zakharchenko conveyed his congratulations to the Minister of State Security of the Lugansk People’s Republic Leonid Pasechnik in connection with the assumption of the duties of the acting head of the LPR. Zakharchenko notes that leading the state in conditions of war and economic blockade is a rather difficult task. Nevertheless, the head of the LPR is confident that Leonid Pasechnik will cope with this difficult task with honor. Zakharchenko also expressed confidence that the acting head of the LPR will be able to effectively resist aggression from Ukraine, as well as with dignity, will cope with the task of building a peaceful life in the LPR. : 00., 31/25.11.2017/XNUMX.) hi
  2. hrych
    hrych 24 November 2017 19: 54 New
    +4
    The Kremlin said: “I'm sorry ...” And this is the person who made the coup, I'm talking about the Pasechnik laughing
    1. bouncyhunter
      bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 20: 07 New
      +6
      Hey bro ! hi drinks
      Igor Plotnitsky resigned for health reasons

      And so he flew to Moscow - to improve his health. wink
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 24 November 2017 20: 11 New
        0
        Moscow flew - to improve health
        The previous chapter of Lugansk also improved health ...
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 25 November 2017 04: 38 New
          0
          The previous chapter of Lugansk also improved health ...
          But was Valera really badly injured? And where is he interested in health after being injured, how do you put it, “corrected” ?.
          '
      2. Going
        Going 24 November 2017 20: 12 New
        +9
        He wouldn’t have come, they would have brought, he had no choice, though he would have lived in a different place.
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 20: 22 New
          +7
          Go understand all the vicissitudes of the whistle, called "politics" ...
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 29 New
            +3
            In my short-term opinion: We are withdrawing troops from Syria and starting to engage in Donbass.
            1. bouncyhunter
              bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 20: 34 New
              +6
              God grant that so! But who knows what kind of thoughts are in the heads of those in power?
              1. Going
                Going 24 November 2017 20: 39 New
                +8
                And because we had so many troops in Syria, I do not think that these facts can be linked.
                1. Going
                  Going 24 November 2017 20: 41 New
                  +8
                  Quote: bouncyhunter
                  Go understand all the vicissitudes of the whistle, called "politics" ...


                  There seems to be a structuring of the future, let's call it education, and all non-understanding people are asked to exit.
                  1. bouncyhunter
                    bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 20: 55 New
                    +5
                    I also thought about this and came to similar conclusions. Now it’s important to be proactive and wipe Kiev’s nose.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 24 November 2017 21: 04 New
                      +4
                      Greetings Pasha! hi , interesting events begin and not many managed to witness the beginning of such interesting changes, I hope they will be pleasant to us.
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 21: 06 New
                        +4
                        Victor, I categorically welcome! hi drinks
                        Quote: cniza
                        interesting events begin and not many managed to witness the beginning of such interesting changes

                        It is a fact .
                        Quote: cniza
                        I hope they will be pleasant to us.

                        I do not hope, but sure! yes
                    2. cniza
                      cniza 24 November 2017 21: 23 New
                      +3
                      Quote: bouncyhunter

                      I do not hope, but sure! yes


                      Pasha is in agreement, but we understand how many people want to intervene.
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 21: 27 New
                        +4
                        Of course we understand, but those who want to intervene understand who is behind the LDNR. wink
                    3. cniza
                      cniza 24 November 2017 21: 39 New
                      +3
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      Of course we understand, but those who want to intervene understand who is behind the LDNR. wink

                      But their thirst for profit makes them go on an adventure.
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 21: 41 New
                        +4
                        Quote: cniza
                        But their thirst for profit makes them go on an adventure.

                        This will lead them to a deplorable ending.
                    4. cniza
                      cniza 24 November 2017 22: 03 New
                      +3
                      Quote: bouncyhunter
                      Quote: cniza
                      But their thirst for profit makes them go on an adventure.

                      This will lead them to a deplorable ending.


                      Pasha, we have chewed on this topic so many times, but it still does not leave the agenda, we run into it again - that means that it’s a stumbling block and until we resolve it, we will suffer.
                      1. bouncyhunter
                        bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 22: 09 New
                        +4
                        I agree, friend. It is simply impossible to remain silent, and here we are discussing and come to the same conclusions ...
                2. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 24 November 2017 20: 44 New
                  +1
                  About the troops in Syria. When do you have problems in different areas: Do you solve everything at once, or in turn?
                  1. Going
                    Going 24 November 2017 20: 48 New
                    +7
                    I’m not talking about this, we didn’t have many troops in Syria, and it’s possible to decide in the Donbass in parallel, but apparently it’s not the time yet.
                3. Ulan
                  Ulan 24 November 2017 21: 53 New
                  +1
                  It’s not a matter of quantity, but of the fact that it distracted attention. Immediately in two directions you don’t pull, you need to concentrate all your strength.
              2. cniza
                cniza 24 November 2017 22: 22 New
                +3
                Quote: bouncyhunter
                I agree, friend. It is simply impossible to remain silent, and here we are discussing and come to the same conclusions ...


                This uncertainty makes everyone very tired, I want to understand - we are building a bridge across the river or along.
                1. bouncyhunter
                  bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 22: 25 New
                  +5
                  I am sure that all the same across. “Along” is not for us, it is for the diggers of the Black Sea. wassat
                  1. cniza
                    cniza 24 November 2017 23: 04 New
                    +2
                    You know, and so many come along - the whole of Ukraine and another fifth column.
      3. hrych
        hrych 24 November 2017 20: 22 New
        +7
        Hi brother!!! drinks
        Quote: bouncyhunter
        flew to Moscow - improve health

        Well, the main thing is that there is something to correct, and if the head is cut off, you won’t be cured of squint wassat
        Carpenter, like Zakharchenko - field commanders, really fought. Zakharchenko looks like a movie actor, but Plotnitsky didn’t go out and scored on the simulator, so he did not win the audience’s love laughing Who is the Beekeeper? Yes, the shoulder case master. He served in the SBU.

        Someone Lyamin Minister of Fuel and Industry before the MGB and after

        Of course the republic is at war, but ...
        1. bouncyhunter
          bouncyhunter 24 November 2017 20: 25 New
          +9
          Yes there without a pint hell that you sort it out, so everything is muddy! From all sides they say and each has its own version of what is happening. It would be interesting to listen to Plotnitsky himself.
          1. hrych
            hrych 24 November 2017 20: 34 New
            +7
            Quote: bouncyhunter
            Yes there, without a pint what the hell

            And after liters too wassat What we have? Plotnitsky fled to Moscow, not Kiev, and it is clear that the charges of treason are immediately dropped. Corruption? Perhaps ... but the butch began when Cornet wanted to be demoted to Juncker. Well, okay, you have to keep the front, and after the victory they’ll figure it out drinks Although the Revolution, including the Russian Spring, still devours its children am
  3. Igor Pushkino
    Igor Pushkino 24 November 2017 19: 54 New
    0
    Health? Odd doesn’t seem like ...
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 November 2017 20: 02 New
      +3
      There, just look at the face of the face .. Well, right Pasha Emilievich ..
      Quote: Igor Pushkino
      Health? Odd doesn’t seem like ...
      1. 72jora72
        72jora72 25 November 2017 04: 41 New
        0
        There, just look at the face of the face .. Well, right Pasha Emilievich ..
        To yours? Present the photo to the studio, we will discuss.
    2. Same lech
      Same lech 24 November 2017 20: 05 New
      +7
      Health? Odd doesn’t seem like ...


      I’m trying to understand what such a serious Plotnikov did for the LPR.? .. what achievements are there? .. it’s better not to discuss the MINSK signature and everything is clear.
      For me, Plotnikov is a Trojan horse (figuratively speaking) among the militias.
  4. Sergey53
    Sergey53 24 November 2017 19: 57 New
    +2
    Better than nothing.
  5. kepmor
    kepmor 24 November 2017 19: 59 New
    0
    yeah .... did not fit into the "power vertical" .... it happens ....
  6. pvv113
    pvv113 24 November 2017 20: 02 New
    +7
    Interesting information on the LPR pops up
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 November 2017 15: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: pvv113
      Interesting information on the LPR pops up


      Phrase: "The battalion" Dawn "was a forge of saboteurs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine".....
      Um ... Being part of the Armed Forces (or HP) of the LPR ...
      Once again ... hmm ....
      That's it, that "interesting" information .... It's so interesting that you do not know what to say ...
      Or is it a fragment of an information war ??? recourse
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 25 November 2017 15: 16 New
        +2
        It's hard to say when you don't know what to say. request Personally, I was greatly surprised by the events in the LPR belay
  7. svp67
    svp67 24 November 2017 20: 03 New
    +5
    The statement of the Head of the MGB is certainly good, but I would still like to hear the statement of Mr. Plotnitsky, especially since he is now in Russia.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 24 November 2017 20: 36 New
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      but I would still like to hear the statement of Mr. Plotnitsky, especially since he is now in Russia.

      That's how they took and simply surrendered Tight, disgusting!, And it was he who took responsibility in the early days of the creation of the LPR for thousands of old people, women and children, held the front against dill and honestly complied with the instructions of the Kremlin curators. He stole and grabbed ?, so it is indisputable, so didn’t they see it in Moscow, but maybe they received kickbacks, because the financing of the entire social network in the Donbass came from Moscow, was accused of betrayal? conspiracy with dill ?, so remember the attempt on Plotnoy last year, when he miraculously survived, oh yes, now Igor Kornet is silent in a rag that Plotniy is a traitor and wanted to surrender the LPR to Bandera, now Plotnitsky is not a traitor, he just let his health down and what Cornet better than Plotnitsky, now Pasechnik, probably perfectly pure and sinless, well, well .. Do you want to hear Plotnitsky’s statement ?, so who will allow him to make statements, the sick person.
      1. svp67
        svp67 24 November 2017 20: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        So they took it and just handed it over to Dense, disgusting!

        Well, if you are such a good acquaintance of him, even if you know him by his nickname, then ask him to speak, this is not difficult to do. There, the same Strelkov calmly gives an interview ... in the case and without it.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 24 November 2017 20: 56 New
          10
          Quote: svp67
          Well, if you are such a good acquaintance of him, even if you know by his nickname, ask him to speak, it’s not difficult to do

          He studied for 5 years in one platoon at the Higher Educational Institution of Higher Education, the last time he saw this summer was the 30th anniversary of his graduation, answered sharp questions that Russia was helping and could not answer anything else. Well, you ask his curators to speak, probably you know their nicknames.
          1. svp67
            svp67 24 November 2017 21: 12 New
            0
            Quote: Anatol Klim
            Well, you ask his curators to speak, probably you know their nicknames.

            Dear, nicknames are very specific. In serious circles, Names and Patronymics are used for respected people. And everything else that you said is just from resentment. You just need to calm down. Time, it is the best healer for such "wounds" and the best judge.
            1. Anatole Klim
              Anatole Klim 24 November 2017 21: 38 New
              +3
              Quote: svp67
              Dear, nicknames are very specific.

              Dear about nicknames, I did not start first, but if we talk about it, then in the first year of school, nicknames always stuck, what to take from the boys. Now we communicate with our graduates always by name, when we call each other by their boyfriend’s nicknames, no one is indignant, by the way, we just smile, this is youth.
              And everything else that you said is just from resentment. You just need to calm down. Time, it is the best healer for such "wounds" and the best judge.

              And you are right, it’s a shame a little, I admit, I’m already calming down, but suddenly someone again provokes a stupid comment, I can not help it.
      2. Alex Justice
        Alex Justice 25 November 2017 15: 54 New
        0
        So they took and simply surrendered Dense, disgusting !, and it was he who took responsibility in the early days of the creation of the LPR for thousands of old people, women and children, held the front against dill and honestly complied with the instructions of the Kremlin curators. He stole and grabbed ?, so it is undeniable

        Soon the words thief and bribe taker will be positive characteristics in Russia.
  8. alexhol
    alexhol 24 November 2017 20: 03 New
    +7
    Sheer farce. Sheer lies. Probably everyone is used to it. Starting from the Crimea and the Olympics.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 24 November 2017 20: 09 New
      17
      Quote: alexhol
      Sheer farce. Sheer lies. Probably everyone is used to it. Starting from the Crimea and the Olympics.

      And here, please, in more detail, especially about the Crimea and the Olympics.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 24 November 2017 20: 43 New
        +1
        "There are no our troops in Crimea"
        1. woron333444
          woron333444 24 November 2017 21: 05 New
          +9
          They were always there - the base in Sevastopol 16 thousand. under an agreement with Ukraine.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 24 November 2017 21: 18 New
            +2
            Which did not stop Putin from declaring that there are no Russian soldiers in Crimea.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 24 November 2017 22: 03 New
              +9
              I didn’t. I myself listened to his interview. This was perverted by the Ukrainian media, as well as the fact that Putin allegedly said that Russian troops were hiding behind civilians and exposed them as a human shield.
              In the same way, they misinterpreted that Putin allegedly said that there are Russian troops in the Donbass.
              He said that there are Russian officers in the international control commission.
              UkroSMI immediately misinterpreted and distributed as Putin’s confession that there are Russian troops in the Donbass.
              Listen to more of these crooks from dill.
              And you distribute Svidomo tales.
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 25 November 2017 10: 50 New
                0
                I saw this from the Russian media. And the first and second
        2. Ulan
          Ulan 24 November 2017 21: 58 New
          +8
          No one ever said such nonsense. No need to repeat tales from Poroshenko.
          Putin knows no worse than yours that our troops have been there since the end of the 18th century and never left there.
          1. alexhol
            alexhol 24 November 2017 23: 01 New
            -2
            youtube.com ›watch? v = WDFsnAsnoLQ
  9. Nemesis
    Nemesis 24 November 2017 20: 03 New
    +1
    Carpenter’s health is one for two, with Kernes ...
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 24 November 2017 22: 19 New
      0
      Only with Kernes it does not need to be compared. Tight and not standing next to him.
      1. Nemesis
        Nemesis 26 November 2017 20: 30 New
        0
        Kernes bargained leaked Kharkov to Bandera and Plotnitsky loved to bargain with them ... Two pair boots ...
  10. Leonidych
    Leonidych 24 November 2017 20: 07 New
    0
    This situation can take advantage of the APU. And this is the best moment for the unification of the LPR and the DPR into one larger and very strong state. But then the question arises, what about Minsk-2? After all, it was signed by two republics, and now New Russia may appear.
  11. Anti-fascist
    Anti-fascist 24 November 2017 20: 12 New
    +2
    This is some shame (s)
  12. peace
    peace 24 November 2017 20: 15 New
    0
    It turns out that they removed Deinoy too? Right!
  13. rruvim
    rruvim 24 November 2017 20: 17 New
    0
    Always a surname suggests nationality. Dad is a Russian, honored employee at the OBHSS. What about mom? Could not find information request
  14. Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 24 November 2017 20: 19 New
    +3
    Quote: leonidych
    This situation can take advantage of the APU. And this is the best moment for the unification of the LPR and the DPR into one larger and very strong state. But then the question arises, what about Minsk-2? After all, it was signed by two republics, and now New Russia may appear.

    Minsk-X was actually buried for a long time, and everything else is a pseudo-diplomatic exercise in literature and nothing more.
    Only one thing is depressing - the Kiev junta was officially recognized, and the republics of Donbass - neither yes nor no! It is disgusting to see and hear all this. hi
    1. Leonidych
      Leonidych 24 November 2017 20: 42 New
      +3
      Good evening. Now I have read in a political review that the new association will be headed by Oleg Tsarev, Prime Minister Mykola Azarov, and all security officials will be headed by Alexander Zakharchenko.
    2. Sergey53
      Sergey53 24 November 2017 22: 21 New
      0
      Patience. Everything is ahead.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 November 2017 20: 19 New
    0
    The Beekeeper’s face seems more lively. Let's look at the development of events. Perhaps we will still see the beginning of the development of the Little Russia project. Or "New Russia" will be reborn?
  16. GUSAR
    GUSAR 24 November 2017 20: 21 New
    +5
    And when and where did Roach receive military injuries? Here about these biography facts in more detail
    1. Going
      Going 24 November 2017 20: 26 New
      +7
      Do not dig, it will not smell pleasant, but such a formulation would suit everyone.
    2. medvedron
      medvedron 24 November 2017 20: 39 New
      0
      In Debaltseve, direct hit of a fragmentation-piercing armor-piercing projectile from a tulip laughing
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 24 November 2017 20: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: GUSAR
      And when and where did Roach receive military injuries? Here about these biography facts in more detail


      Remember the classics. "I'm wounded on the Kolchak fronts!"
      But actually, to be honest, all these events have a very bad impression.
    4. thinker
      thinker 24 November 2017 21: 05 New
      0
      I can remind you - last August there was
      the attempt on the head of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic of Plotnitsky was committed on Saturday: his car was blown up. The head of the LPR is hospitalized.

      http://www.interfax.ru/world/522353
  17. Ural resident
    Ural resident 24 November 2017 20: 22 New
    +3
    That is, we were convinced that the death of well-known field commanders is a necessary sacrifice for joining forces, eliminating Makhnovism and the victory of New Russia. But it turns out - it was just a purge of the pro-Russian elements of the Ukrainian DRG in power?
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 24 November 2017 22: 25 New
      +1
      Hit the point. And clearing the field for his own commerce \ his wife \.
  18. noodles
    noodles 24 November 2017 20: 22 New
    +1
    Robots do not rattle strongly and loudly, all that God does not do is for the better! What kind of curator is this and the result - the war and the creation of a new state is not tourism!
    1. gm9019
      gm9019 24 November 2017 21: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: noodles
      -All that God does not -All for the best!

      My late mother-in-law, blessed memory of her, after that loved to add: "But God needs to help! Do not sit and wait, but help!"
      good
  19. Dmitry Donetsk
    Dmitry Donetsk 24 November 2017 20: 23 New
    +2
    I doubt that the unification will take place, the campaign on this will end. It was necessary to unite in 2014-15, under the command of A. B. Mozgovoy or P. L. Dremov. There was also Pavel Ishchenko - the mayor of Pervomaisk in the LPR. These people could be trusted in everything.
    And now, if you unite, then let Moscow send a worthy leader with his team.
    1. medvedron
      medvedron 24 November 2017 20: 41 New
      0
      I think that as long as Minsk holds, there will be no unification, in any case official.
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 24 November 2017 20: 47 New
      10
      Quote: Dmitry Donetsk
      And now, if you unite, then let Moscow send a worthy leader with his team.

      What, true Russian without rurik in any way? belay
      I remember that under the Bolsheviks, ordinary people from the people lifted the country, they shook off such a Union, they envied the whole world. So there were literate people 10-15%, and you - every second, probably. Why do you need Moscow? They haven’t dispossessed their oligarchs yet, they will still milk Moscow. But this is so, private opinion.
    3. zoolu350
      zoolu350 25 November 2017 04: 58 New
      +1
      So this is the oligarchy of the Russian Federation in every possible way opposed the proclamation of Novorossia and together with the oligarchy of ukroreich destroyed its heroes (Mozgovogo, Dremova, Givi, Motorola).
    4. osoboye_mneniye
      osoboye_mneniye 25 November 2017 19: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Donetsk
      I doubt that the unification will take place, the campaign on this will end. It was necessary to unite in 2014-15, under the command of A. B. Mozgovoy or P. L. Dremov. There was also Pavel Ishchenko - the mayor of Pervomaisk in the LPR. These people could be trusted in everything.
      And now, if you unite, then let Moscow send a worthy leader with his team.


      Moscow will send ... Matvienko, the current governor of St. Petersburg, is also a puppet of the oligarchs.
      Who will be glad to them? Russia DNR cures with one hand, cripples with the other.
  20. Black_Vatnik
    Black_Vatnik 24 November 2017 20: 27 New
    +4
    I will say in short
    Igor Plotnitsky resigned as.
    With the state, I think he will have order for the rest of his life.
  21. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 24 November 2017 20: 30 New
    +2
    Due to health reasons, Plotnitsky’s face does not fit on the TV.
  22. Karabin
    Karabin 24 November 2017 20: 36 New
    +4
    I myself also declare my commitment to the Minsk agreements.

    But how differently. There is no alternative to “Minsk” (C) It was for the bright “Minsk” future that local and Russian volunteers fought and died in the year 14. am
  23. kefan
    kefan 24 November 2017 20: 37 New
    0
    It is ridiculous, however, to think up nothing more, apparently, could not. Judging by his well-fed physiognomy, his health is in perfect order.
    1. Ulan
      Ulan 24 November 2017 22: 06 New
      +1
      Poroshenko’s "laughter" also be healthy. However diabetes. But this does not stop him from slurping glasses.
  24. Mikhalych 70
    Mikhalych 70 24 November 2017 20: 55 New
    +3
    Ahhh, that's why the Lake cooperative was organized! Obviously, all Former Presidents who could not and could not keep there would soon live. From Africa, the 93-year-old Moor can also be sheltered ...
  25. Berkut154
    Berkut154 24 November 2017 21: 10 New
    +3
    !! What do they all merge into Russia ???? Everyone already knows that he was hired by Ukrainians !!
  26. 7gor
    7gor 24 November 2017 21: 27 New
    +6
    Most of all in this filthy story I feel sorry for the simple people of Lugansk region and Donbass request
    1. cniza
      cniza 24 November 2017 21: 41 New
      +3
      With you, in this matter, only the insane will not agree.
  27. colorado
    colorado 24 November 2017 22: 00 New
    +1
    now the devil himself will not hinder the unification of the DNI with the LC
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    1. japs
      japs 24 November 2017 23: 56 New
      +5
      Whats wrong with that? Russian people talk about the fate of other Russian people.
      In extreme cases, we can talk about the fifth section of our closest neighbors, we are free people.
      1. sxfRipper
        sxfRipper 25 November 2017 02: 11 New
        0
        Two "litvin" (instead of two Jews) again talk about the fate of the Russian people ... Well !!!
  29. UVB
    UVB 24 November 2017 22: 47 New
    +2
    About acting Heads of the LPR Pasechnik L.I .:
    24.11.17. A message from journalists and a note from military commissar Roman Veprev.

    Message from reporters: “Viktor Vodolatsky: Under the leadership of Pasechnik, the LPR will be put in order. The appointment of the acting Head of the Lugansk People’s Republic of the Minister of State Security of the LPR, Leonid Pasechnik, will strengthen order and security in the Republic and will help to overcome all the negative aspects that cause dissatisfaction with LNR residents, this was stated by Viktor Vodolatsky, deputy chairman of the State Duma committee on affairs of the Commonwealth of Independent States, Eurasian integration and relations with compatriots, RIA Novosti reports.
    "There will be further strengthening of order, security, a clearer system of managing the national economy, professionals should come to work in the government," said a deputy of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
    Vodolatsky also expressed confidence that when Leonid Pasechnik came to power, everything was “negative” so that it would be in the LPR and cause dissatisfaction of citizens, “in the very near future it will be decided for the better.”

    Note from R. Veprev: “Who is Leonid Pasechnik? A brief dossier and the history of the conflict with Igor Plotnitsky. The head of the Lugansk People’s Republic, Igor Plotnitsky, resigned. Formally, because of his health. In reality, he lost the fight to the security forces. Perform duties before the election of the head of the Republic appointed for 2018 will be Leonid Pasechnik - Minister of State Security of the LPR.

    Leonid Pasechnik was born on March 15, 1970. Father - Ivan Sergeevich - worked for 26 years in the organs of the OBKhSS of the USSR. In 1975, the family moved to live in Magadan. By the way, the name of this city is the call sign of the Pasechnik.

    He graduated from the Donetsk Higher Military-Political School. He worked in the Security Service of Ukraine - the head of the anti-smuggling unit of the main department “K” of the Security Service of Ukraine in the Luhansk region, the head of the Stakhanov inter-district department. He became famous for the August 15, 2006 detention of a large consignment of smugglers at the Izvarino checkpoint (1 US dollars and 940 Russian rubles), and in principle refused a bribe.

    In 2014, he supported the participants of the Russian Spring in the Donbass.

    On October 9, 2014, he was appointed Minister of State Security of the LPR.
    In 2015, a confrontation began between Leonid Pasechnik and Igor Plotnitsky.

    On October 17, the MGB arrested Dmitry Lyamin, Minister of Coal Industry of the LPR close to Plotnitsky. According to the MGB, in collusion with the assistant to the Ukrainian criminal authority Yura Enakievsky Ivan Avramov, “the minister strictly complied with the orders of criminal authorities to smuggle coal and transfer to the criminality strategic enterprises of the fuel and energy sector”.
    Immediately after this, Igor Plotnitsky said that he did not give an order to arrest Lyamin.

    “I did not give my sanction to detain Lyamin and conduct any investigative actions against him either to the Ministry of State Security or the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic,” he said then.

    October 18, Igor Plotnitsky announced the removal of Minister of State Security Leonid Pasechnik. The beekeeper did not accept the resignation, and threatened Plotnitsky with an investigation into the theft of humanitarian aid. Then the LPR Ministry of Internal Affairs in the person of its head Igor Kornet, partly the Prosecutor General’s Office, and also the local authorities of a number of cities of the republic took over to his side. As a result, the conflict was frozen.

    Another round of conflict between the security forces and Igor Plotnitsky, which broke out in late October and entered the zenith this week, led to the resignation of the latter. The siloviki won, and most likely, will consolidate their power in the upcoming elections of the head of the Republic in 2018. "
  30. eplewke
    eplewke 25 November 2017 00: 22 New
    +1
    No wonder they finish in Syria. PMCs will be displayed in the Donbass. Putin needs votes in the elections.
  31. opus
    opus 25 November 2017 02: 08 New
    +2
    The head of the proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LNR), Igor Plotnitsky, resigned for health reasons.

    how all the "vomit."
    And this is the next "+" kaklam (and tsenzor.net).
    pass the bl @ d
    1. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 25 November 2017 09: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: opus
      The head of the proclaimed Luhansk People's Republic (LNR), Igor Plotnitsky, resigned for health reasons.

      how all the "vomit."
      And this is the next "+" kaklam (and tsenzor.net).
      pass the bl @ d

      I recommend a hangover. Maybe it’s easier, it’s fun, and then maybe you will pay less attention to enemy voices.
      Usually, those who are simple in everything, who do not manage anything, have not created anything themselves, to condemn everyone.
  32. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 25 November 2017 02: 09 New
    +1
    A guy has been taking us for several years to the country house and back. Taxi driver from (company name) .Ukrainian. Of those who left the DPR to earn money. So here is his long-standing opinion - if at least something goes wrong in the DPR, then in the “LPR” (my quotation marks) one organized criminal group has replaced another!
  33. sxfRipper
    sxfRipper 25 November 2017 02: 13 New
    +1
    But in fact - "Maxim died - and pee-pee-pee with him" !!!
  34. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 25 November 2017 03: 54 New
    0
    Somehow not according to the protocol !!! He left / or escaped / wrote a statement himself. It turned out to be weak in spirit.
  35. 72jora72
    72jora72 25 November 2017 04: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Dear, nicknames are very specific. In serious circles, Names and Patronymics are used for respected people
    Dear, we do not have nicknames (there are dog names), we have callsigns. I’m afraid that we have different concepts about who refers to "respected people.
  36. zoolu350
    zoolu350 25 November 2017 04: 52 New
    +1
    Strange gestures. The question is whether New Russia will be educated or is the oligarch of the Russian Federation preparing to surrender the republics under the authority of an ukroreich?
    1. Karen
      Karen 25 November 2017 09: 58 New
      0
      "Everything is stolen before you." (from)
      Here in the mocking in relation to the Slavs video "Interview with the Zionist" everything is very intelligibly explained to you - how they will crush you in a grinder ...
      And they say about Khazaria there, and about North Jerusalem ...
      What is not going according to the script?
  37. Eurodav
    Eurodav 25 November 2017 05: 50 New
    0
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: alexhol
    When you have 50kop in your pocket, and the whole world in your pocket is youth. "And if there is a pack in your pocket, cigarettes and a plane ticket with a silver wing ..." This is youth, Stroporez, this is nostalgia and no more ...

    I can argue! Fundamentally fifty kopecks in your pocket is no different ... Besides the fact that you slander this fifty kopecks every day.
    And when in your two years too you have in your pockets except a cartridge, NS, sukhpayov, fuses, grenades, loose shag, again shaken through cartridges, somewhere a paramedol syringe, again everything is in tobacco, a “bra” in which you trying to stick two, then jump with this avoi, to have more space for the “zinc” in the taxiway is cool! PATAMUSTA then it was LIFE!
    And if there is a pack of cigarettes in your pocket ..., So on m they gave out “Hunters”, I’m not mistaken 6 kopecks., “Pamir” and I remember “Miners”,
    Complete the lists of "free Dykkhan" Shuravi!)))))

    It’s good to flaunt, it’s sickening, I’ve also been somewhere, but I don’t want to stick it out, or I won’t add respect to half a page of listing jewelry. Be more modest!
  38. AID.S
    AID.S 25 November 2017 06: 42 New
    0
    Igor Plotnitsky resigned for health reasons

    Where now, in Matsestu or in Baden-Baden?
  39. andron-30
    andron-30 25 November 2017 07: 46 New
    +1
    they say that Plotnitsky’s stolen and not a little, and they came to him, but the question is, why the resignation after a trip to Moscow? The answer is obvious.
  40. free
    free 25 November 2017 08: 08 New
    0
    Rolled Sivka steep hills.
  41. Nikolay Fedorov
    Nikolay Fedorov 25 November 2017 08: 44 New
    +1
    ... Numerous battle wounds, the consequences of shell shock ...

    He said so about Plotnitsky ?! It’s interesting, interesting, when, where, and in what capacity did this fat one fight ?! angry
  42. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 25 November 2017 13: 47 New
    0
    Given that the acting the chapters put the siloviki, perhaps some movement will begin.
  43. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 25 November 2017 16: 05 New
    0
    Carpenter resigned for health reasons. This is stated in a statement by the head of the Ministry of State Security (MGB) of the republic Leonid Pasechnik, posted on Friday on the website. Affected by numerous battle wounds, the effects of shell shock.

    It's disgusting to read. Why lie? And so everyone knows left the post as a result of a violent coup.
  44. LPD17
    LPD17 25 November 2017 19: 01 New
    0
    ... what pension will this figure be assigned to? judging by the photo!
    Yanuk Tut, Azarov, Aslan Abashidze here .... like hiding ...
    if they were used even as exile governments
    and so simple
    Parasites