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Leonid Ivashov: Russia needs to decide on its perspective

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Leonid Ivashov: Russia needs to decide on its perspective



- Leonid G., in fact, geopolitics is the control over territories. What is the geopolitical situation around Russia now?

- You can answer in one word: critical. But Russia probably needs to go through these tests in order to cleanse, define its place and understand, finally, how we want to see the world in the 21st century, what tasks must be solved in order for it to develop harmoniously. Russia needs to decide on its perspective.

I understand perfectly well that nothing random happens in nature. Any element of a living system has its own useful function to maintain harmony. Society can not live unbalanced. Every nation has its own mission, every civilization has its own function. In Russia, it is special - it is the center connecting the West and the East, and the mission of our country is conciliatory. Russia has always stopped contenders for world domination. We do not need to seize anyone, colonize, lead into slavery. About two hundred nationalities live in Russia, uniting interests, enriching each other. Every little ethnos has unique character traits, knowledge and culture. This is our true wealth - unity in diversity. We are the smartest, most persistent. We are carriers of a unique world order.

- It is probably the envy of our western neighbors?

- Of course. Russia is a spiritual center uniting nations. And the West - the so-called anti-civilization, a predator, accustomed to live prey. If Russia has always developed at the expense of its labor, then the Anglo-Saxons and the Americans, who are also called the maritime civilization, are fed at the expense of their prey. Their goal is to take away what they did not sow or plant. Therefore, Russia for the West - the main object of production. And not only because we are very rich in natural resources and territories, we have a completely different meaning of life. We are an independent civilization.

In the West in the second half of the XIX - beginning of the XX century, clear geopolitical views were formed regarding Russia. The Anglo-Saxons all the time were looking for a formula of world domination, they captured the entire sea space of the planet, colonized entire continents. But how to gain control over Eurasia? Halford John Mackinder, a British geopolitician, found the answer to this question in 1904. He said: "Who owns Eastern Europe - he controls Heartland, who controls Heartland - he controls Eurasia, who controls Eurasia - controls the destinies of the world." Heartland is Russia. It turns out, controlling us, they control the whole East.

- But how was it possible to put Russia under control?

- We were drawn into the gold equivalent, put in a financial debt pit, - that's all. War has been constantly fomented against Russia. A way to defeat the recalcitrant country was found by the American admiral Mahan. His strategy "Anaconda" implies a squeezing policy. They tried to keep us out of the oceans, limited trade. And now the strategy of Mahan is manifested in the form of sanctions, a policy of deterring our state. In the work of Mahan "Sea Power" there is an interesting expression: "We need to occupy a strip between thirty and forty degrees north latitude and squeeze the Russian people from this position to the North, where, according to the laws of nature, he will not escape his fate." This is 1890 year! Even then, they tried to control the region of the North Caucasus.

“And now the NATO bloc is trying to control us, squeezing in an iron grip ...”

- The American political strategy today is not a jot away from the previous instructions. I have been in the US more than once. In the Library of Congress, Admiral Mahan’s book is incredibly popular not only among politicians and the military, but also among ordinary Americans. She republished many dozens of times. All their sanctions against us are built in accordance with these theories and strategies.

- How can we be in this situation? Act as they do?

- In no case! Military force is needed to curb the appetite of enemies. We need, first, to decide: how do we want to see the world in the future? Need a geopolitical doctrine. If we turn to the foreign policy of the postwar USSR, we will find the answer: the world should be arranged in accordance with justice, for each nation and each person individually. That is what united the peoples of Russia in their time. In the Soviet period, any ordinary person, with talent, could get through. For example, living in the Far East, the future academician Georgy Flerov, and then a simple sergeant of the Soviet Army, described the theory of thermonuclear fusion in his letter. The envelope signed on the name of Comrade Stalin. Two months later, Flerov was already met at the airport by future academician Andrei Sakharov, then he was sent to Igor Kurchatov. All our brilliant designers came from the provinces, from the people. And now we will think: is it possible for a simple talented person to break through today? Very difficult. Therefore, it is high time to decide which Russia we are building and whether we will participate in this construction. Thieves, American-robber concepts are alien to our spirit. Russians want a just peace.

- We went to the East, we are establishing close relations with China. Is this the right course?

- We need to build a long-term strategy of cooperation with this great country, but at the same time clearly define our interests. Yes, we need their investments. But the Celestial Empire builds socialism and propagates its ideas all over the world. What shall we do: imitate? For China, capitalism is a geopolitical adversary, and if we do not change something in our economic model, then it will look at us as an enemy with whom sooner or later we will have to deal with it. This eastern state realizes its national interests. Ordinary people in Russia for him is not an object of extraction, too we are not rich. China is interested in capital, that is, our dollar billionaires. Since 2014, the hundred richest people in Russia have increased their incomes by a third. In this situation, the country will find it difficult to build a long-term strategy with the Middle Kingdom.

- Military rumors excite people's consciousness. Relations with Ukraine are not settled. Will open confrontation happen?

- I will say a cynical thing, perhaps your readers will not support me. But if at the end of the 80s an act of military aggression was committed against us, the Soviet Union would have been preserved. People always consolidate during an external threat - this is how it is laid in our tradition. And therefore, I believe, Americans will not use military force. They use the factor of soft power, or in another way - a hybrid war, which they are now actively waging in all spheres of Russian life. Even companies from third countries of the world prohibit America to cooperate with us. The law on sanctions is a powerful rink riding on our economy. After all, most countries in the world are dependent on the global financial oligarchic system, on the American dollar.

- Leonid G., and yet, I think, we have long been involved in military operations. In Syria, not only the rank and file are killed, but also the generals ...

- In Syria, we entered correctly. After all, what is a half billion Muslims? In peacetime, this is a beautiful civilization. But Western intelligence agencies launched a pathological process: they distorted Islam, outraged the Koran, and now terrorism is the number one threat in the world. We just need to defend ourselves and protect the world. We provide a conciliatory process, but in conditions of war. Therefore, sacrifices are inevitable. Our guys die, protecting peace on earth. They are heroes.

- You said that our people are consolidating around an external threat, and what internal tasks can unite them?

- We need to build a powerful state. The oligarchic corporation must know its place and not put pressure on the state apparatus. The third article of the Constitution of the Russian Federation says that the people of Russia are the bearers of sovereignty and the only source of power. On self-management and you need to bet.

Recently there was a congress of patriotic forces, and there were representatives of all professions from many regions of the country. The delegates decided: it’s time to equip your life. Figuratively speaking, one should not wait for the master, who will come and judge everything. The people should independently control where, for example, they create a cooperative or a national enterprise, and which business they don’t need, because it does harm. We have no other way but to unite. And this process is already running.

“I hope 2017 will end more calmly than 1917…”

“I think no one needs bloodshed.” And who will go to war? And for what? Around private property. In the world everything is balanced. To arrange another redistribution with terrible, unpredictable consequences? We have already passed this. But life will put everything in its place ...
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  1. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 26 November 2017 07: 37
    +5
    Dear author! What you wrote is good and correct. But here at the grassroots level, and so the people are uniting quite well. However, such associations do not go to the top. Power cuts all attempts of this in the bud. Moreover, the rhetoric is just going to unite.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 26 November 2017 07: 56
      +4
      Quote: andrej-shironov
      Power cuts all attempts of this in the bud.

      He wrote:
      But Russia probably needs go through these tests to clear.

      To abolish the moratorium on the death penalty and cleanse the identified bloodsuckers and parasites, possibly with the help of the army ...
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 26 November 2017 08: 05
        +2
        Dear Esoteric! Unfortunately, you see particular, individual elements, affecting which do not change anything. You need to start with the main thing, to say the authorities decisively NO!
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 November 2017 14: 46
        +2
        Quote: Esoteric
        cleanse the identified bloodsuckers and parasites, possibly with the help of the army ...

        The army against the people cannot be used, but the ideology is returned to the constitution .....
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 14: 50
          +9
          Quote: aybolyt678
          but ideology is returned to the constitution

          Which one, for example? wink
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 26 November 2017 15: 07
            +1
            Quote: Golovan Jack
            Which one, for example? wink

            Thanks for the question. Already wrote that in palaces and in squares they think differently (French proverb) ideology unites both of them. It still needs to be developed. Now it is customary to scold the Communists, however, the party organization analyzed the action of the Party member precisely from the position of ideology, state. The trouble is that party functionaries have degenerated. As happens with closely related crosses. A slogan, for example: The people state the fatherland - to what and to whom does he oblige? Will he become a reason for refusing a trip to Thailand and a preference for Crimea? from the point of view of statehood - of course it is better to save your money and morality and go to the Crimea. And the country is good and the people and statehood supported, and we have more moral sex. I believe that the ideological tax should be introduced on foreign cars, Thailand, Turkey, etc. ... something like this laughing
            1. Golovan Jack
              Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 15: 10
              +8
              I liked exactly this:
              Quote: aybolyt678
              laughing

              All the rest - yes already passed ... sku-u-uuuno ...
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2017 15: 53
                +3
                Quote: Golovan Jack
                All the rest - yes already passed ... sku-u-uuuno ...

                It is good to see the participant in the storming of the Winter Palace in good health. smile
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            2. efendia
              efendia 30 November 2017 12: 04
              0
              \ That's exactly what they think differently in palaces and squares. And why do you think that in the palaces they will start thinking the same way as in the squares ???
              This is precisely what killed the USSR, that those who only covered themselves with socialist-communist slogans but did not believe in it crawled into power. So after the revolution or during the Second World War and after there were true communists who, speaking without pieces of paper, could and ignited the masses of the people for great things. And all kinds of consumers from power gradually destroyed the foundations of the state, the peak of which was the rise of Gorbachev to power.
              And under the current government, which treats its population more like an enemy, unlike oneself loved ones and friends, it's hard to say something. She will not allow the people to unite because she is afraid for her warm places, although she calls for patriotism to intensely prepare places for herself over the hill.
              I don’t know, maybe I’m not right, but judging by everything that is going on around, I see it this way. Of course, I do not want revolutions and upheavals, but when half the population is driven to the level of survival .....
      3. dSK
        dSK 26 November 2017 22: 31
        +1
        Hello Yuri Vasilievich!
        Quote: Esoteric
        Cancel moratorium on death penalty

        The post-election moratorium will be lifted for terrorists and shooters ("Tver shooter"), on which 100% evidence base. With a delay in enforcement for several years. The mere threat of the death penalty will stop many. hi
        1. Alf
          Alf 26 November 2017 23: 14
          +1
          Quote: dsk
          The post-election moratorium will be lifted for terrorists and shooters ("Tver shooter"), on which 100% evidence base.

          Where did the firewood come from?
          1. dSK
            dSK 28 November 2017 00: 19
            +1
            Hello Vasily!
            Quote: Alf
            Where did the firewood come from?

            "From the woods, apparently, the father hears, but I take it away." (Nikolai Alekseevich Nekrasov.)
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 26 November 2017 11: 23
      +2
      So, for a quarter of a century, "determined by the prospect," and things are still there. lol
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 26 November 2017 14: 47
        +1
        Quote: siberalt
        aki, for a quarter of a century, "determined with perspective

        There really are no goals.
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 14: 53
        10
        Quote: siberalt
        determine the prospect

        Head interferes with the campaign ... I would tear it to ... yes
  2. Herculesic
    Herculesic 26 November 2017 07: 49
    +1
    Comrade Ivashov is not quite right - we think that there will be no war because we do not need it, and the United States does not need a strong Russia, therefore they really need a war, in Europe in Asia it does not matter where this war spreads to the territory of Russia.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 26 November 2017 07: 58
      +5
      Quote: Herkulesich
      Comrade Ivashov is not quite right ...

      He is right only because he is a Russian general ... belay
    2. To be or not to be
      To be or not to be 26 November 2017 11: 03
      0
      The war with Russia is crazy !!!
      "To that in history we see a darkness of examples!"
      Problems and war within Russia itself ..
      One of the ways we are already reaping is the distortion of the historical memory of the younger generation.
      And in another of the last pearls, "Ural teachers were banned from" native "Russian language"
      Read more at https://www.pravda.ru/news/society/25-11-2017/135
      5464-obrazovanie-0 /
      To defeat Russia it is necessary to break the backbone of the country = the Russian world. On this ridge is Russia, friendship and the existence of all nations and peoples of a multinational country.
  3. parusnik
    parusnik 26 November 2017 08: 14
    0
    But life will put everything in its place ...
    ....That's for sure...
  4. free
    free 26 November 2017 08: 42
    12
    Those who are at the top have long decided on both Russia and the Russian people and the future and the place
    Russia in the world (gas station). And we (ordinary people) need a new 1917 otherwise they do not understand and will not understand!
    1. passing
      passing 26 November 2017 10: 15
      +9
      Russia in the world (gas station). And we (ordinary people) need a new 1917 otherwise they do not understand and will not understand!

      Just they all understand, therefore they came up with the succession of power by any means. Starting from the placement of people devoted to power to leadership positions, regardless of professionalism and competence, ending with the poor education level of the younger generation
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 26 November 2017 17: 34
        +1
        Those. after the "new 1917th" Russia will cease to be a "gas station"? Ok, but what will you live? "... even in the morning but on their own?"
        1. passing
          passing 26 November 2017 18: 02
          0
          I hope you can do without extremes
          1. a.sirin
            a.sirin 26 November 2017 18: 17
            +1
            And often succeeded?
            1. passing
              passing 26 November 2017 19: 55
              0
              And often succeeded?

              no! I repeat for kitty, I hope!
              1. a.sirin
                a.sirin 26 November 2017 21: 52
                +1
                Judging by the vast majority of those present, or rather, their mood - will not succeed. True, between the sofa and the gun ...
      2. free
        free 26 November 2017 19: 36
        +1
        Quote: passing
        Russia in the world (gas station). And we (ordinary people) need a new 1917 otherwise they do not understand and will not understand!

        Just they all understand, therefore they came up with the succession of power by any means. Starting from the placement of people devoted to power to leadership positions, regardless of professionalism and competence, ending with the poor education level of the younger generation

        that's just why they will understand only the new 1917, and by the way I did not say that they do not understand anything.
        1. dSK
          dSK 26 November 2017 22: 53
          +1
          Hello Andrey!
          Quote: free
          new 1917

          And what prevents you from using legal, legal methods to deal with system deficiencies? You will have a candidate better than Zyuganov, gain more votes. Zhirinovsky bypassed Mironov and set his party members the task of becoming the second party of Russia, and perhaps it will work out. hi
          1. Alf
            Alf 26 November 2017 23: 18
            +5
            Quote: dsk
            And what prevents you from using legal, legal methods to deal with system deficiencies?

            Not for that in the 91st built this system to give it a chance to change.
            In the elections, the Communists can gain 100% of the vote, but after the calculation it turns out that the EP won a landslide victory.
            1. dSK
              dSK 27 November 2017 02: 03
              +1
              Quote: Alf
              can get 100% of the vote

              Hello Vasily! 100% impossible to fake even theoretically. And the revolution and the inevitable civil war are foreign partners. "destroy to the ground"- helped, help and will help. And how to build"our new world"- so immediately sanctions." Evade evil and do good "- it is very difficult. hi
              1. Blackmokona
                Blackmokona 27 November 2017 10: 41
                0
                146% already, do you think it’s difficult to make 246%?
              2. Alf
                Alf 27 November 2017 19: 23
                0
                Quote: dsk
                Hello Vasily!

                Good evening, I have no honor to know your first name!hi
                Quote: dsk
                100% impossible to fake even theoretically.

                Perhaps, it’s even possible ... At one time it was flickering infa that in the last elections the wisest in Chechnya gave him 103% of the vote.
                Quote: dsk
                And how to build "our new world" - so immediately sanctions.

                Sanctions are not so terrible if the Kremlin has a capital Leader, but if there are capitalist compradors ...
    2. 34 region
      34 region 26 November 2017 23: 19
      +1
      free today, 08:42. In February 17th, Russian officers proposed to the Tsar. In October 17th, the Russian General Staff through the Bolsheviks held a change of power. In the 90s, the military did nothing. In general, the military plays a key role in the change of power. Do you think today the military will carry out a change of power? Arresting the government is not a problem. The problem is what to do next. What should be the state system after the coup? If the system remains the same, then this is clan showdown and undercover fight.
      1. free
        free 27 November 2017 18: 43
        0
        Quote: 34 region
        free today, 08:42. In February 17th, Russian officers proposed to the Tsar. In October 17th, the Russian General Staff through the Bolsheviks held a change of power. In the 90s, the military did nothing. In general, the military plays a key role in the change of power. Do you think today the military will carry out a change of power? Arresting the government is not a problem. The problem is what to do next. What should be the state system after the coup? If the system remains the same, then this is clan showdown and undercover fight.

        Develop thought further.
  5. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 26 November 2017 10: 34
    +2
    A little more, and according to the results of the next anti-doping investigation, victory in the Second World War will be awarded to Germany.
  6. steelmaker
    steelmaker 26 November 2017 10: 44
    +1
    Did the congress of patriotic forces nominate his candidate for election? Or do you agree with Putin again?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 26 November 2017 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: steel maker
      Did the congress of patriotic forces nominate his candidate for election? Or do you agree with Putin again?

      Nominated four candidates + Kvachkov.
      Baldyrev, Grudinini, Rodionov and Ivashov.
      Next google yourself.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 14: 59
        +8
        Quote: Stroporez
        Baldyrev, Grudinini, Rodionov and Ivashov

        negative
        None of those named for the post are pulling.
        "The rise of the kick" leads to the appearance of ... Yeltsin, for example.
        Do you need another Yeltsin? To me - no.
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 26 November 2017 15: 36
          +9
          What, the retired colonel of the gendarmerie Putin in 2000 "pulled" more than the real general Ivashov, for example? belay
          Your capitalism will one day collapse anyway.
          1. You Vlad
            You Vlad 26 November 2017 18: 42
            +1
            Quote: Doliva63
            What, the retired colonel of the gendarmerie Putin in 2000 "pulled" for more

            KGB and yes pulled! Yes so pulled that those who doubted request there are no others, but those are farther away! The ideology that they want to palm off on us suspects that some are superior to others, but why is this request
          2. Golovan Jack
            Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 19: 45
            +8
            Quote: Doliva63
            retired colonel of the gendarmerie Putin

            You have already spoken about the diagnosis wink
            Quote: Doliva63
            pulled "more than

            Yes. Because there was (and is) a “system” (it’s clear what I mean? Or deploy?)
            And the fact that Eltsyn himself put him in power is a joke ... the drunks were forced to do this.
            Quote: Doliva63
            Your capitalism

            He is not mine.
            I just learned it this way - the terrain ... doesn't matter. Got up - went, yeah laughing
            Right now it’s unfashionable to remember the 90s ... but then - it was much funnier for me than right now. That really was a "game without rules", but I have mnu wife after childbirth and a small child ...
            All living, in total. But it was worth it ... ahem ... I suppose, perhaps
          3. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 26 November 2017 21: 48
            +4
            Quote: Doliva63
            What, the retired colonel of the gendarmerie Putin in 2000 "pulled" more than the real general Ivashov, for example?

            There, the story is dark, about the head club, as well as the whole he himself. The Stambov’s criminal affairs also don’t give this citizen much charm, well, dog-and-mouth criminal cases .... That is, there’s that “hook” or “cook” on which you can Keep.
            And Ivashov is not messed up with anything in front of the country, as are the other candidates.
            Quote: Doliva63
            Your capitalism will one day collapse anyway.

            If it were capitalism ..., we were thrown back a hundred years ago, into a caste-class society and with feudal production and economic relations.
            To real capitalism, to us, as to Beijing ..
            And then it will surely collapse if we stop sitting at the opera and push the sofas through. wink
  7. creak
    creak 26 November 2017 11: 25
    +1
    Western intelligence services distort Islam, abuse the Koran - this, of course, is strong .... But there was a time when reasonable things could be heard from Ivashov - it is not surprising that his “right-hand sailor” Sivkov with his global and galactic projects was his right hand ....
    I’m sinful, because of my duty, I once had to go on two long special business trips to BV - and so the picture there is not at all as unambiguous as it seems to the author .... Simplification of the situation is a very dangerous thing
  8. aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 26 November 2017 14: 55
    0
    In some things, he is right: a revolution is not needed, the succession of power is needed, But the right line is needed in the economy, we do not need the world market, we and our 140 million people cannot make the best cars, phones, etc. best in the world. but we can do some inferior things. Or good, but very expensive. But we will be much richer. You need to think real. It should be a shame to buy a foreign car.
  9. Golovan Jack
    Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 14: 57
    +8
    We were dragged into the golden equivalent, put in a financial debt hole - that’s all

    Lies.
    Further already ... uninteresting negative
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 26 November 2017 15: 59
      +5
      Quote: Golovan Jack
      Lies.

      I do not agree. He looked into his pocket like a pit. Rummaged around. Except "you stay there" nothing our moose.
      1. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 19: 47
        +8
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        He looked in his pocket like a pit

        I have so far "not a hole." Also sparse, but there is something so far.
        Work request
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 21: 35
        +8
        102
        Humiliating others to glorify themselves is a cheap and even shameful occupation, but this is not the case when you tease the enemy in anticipation of a farewell fight
        Signature stamp
        .
        The guy said better than I can. laughing
  10. Doliva63
    Doliva63 26 November 2017 15: 31
    +7
    And about China, he remarked interestingly. Indeed, one way or another, they are building socialism, and in our country, terry capitalism. I would have us in their place for the first purposes, because we are bordering. If so, I respect them. And he reasonably said about the war - why fight? I definitely won’t. After the denunciation of the Bialowieza conspiracy and the abolition of privatization, the first one to go to RVC. And so - without me, my homeland of the USSR.
    1. free
      free 26 November 2017 19: 40
      +2
      We do not have capitalism, we have a class society and a monarchy they need to legislate this division!
      1. Alf
        Alf 26 November 2017 23: 22
        +3
        Quote: free
        We do not have capitalism, we have a class society and a monarchy they need to legislate this division!

        Now in the West, the highest form of capitalism is imperialism. Tell me, how is capitalism essentially different from class society? Only a fairy tale that “they” have and operate social elevators do not tell.
        1. free
          free 27 November 2017 18: 45
          0
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: free
          We do not have capitalism, we have a class society and a monarchy they need to legislate this division!

          Now in the West, the highest form of capitalism is imperialism. Tell me, how is capitalism essentially different from class society? Only a fairy tale that “they” have and operate social elevators do not tell.

          I am not a fan of fairy tales, but they probably have at least some opportunities to develop private business and accumulate capital, we do not!
          1. Alf
            Alf 27 November 2017 19: 26
            +1
            Quote: free
            I am not a fan of fairy tales, but they probably have at least some opportunities to develop private business and accumulate capital, we do not!

            It is doubtful. The fact is that now in the United States there is precisely a decrease in the number of small businessmen. And it is precisely a sharper division into the very rich and the poor. And then, to develop your business and go to the ruling elite are completely different things.
            1. free
              free 27 November 2017 21: 36
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: free
              I am not a fan of fairy tales, but they probably have at least some opportunities to develop private business and accumulate capital, we do not!

              It is doubtful. The fact is that now in the United States there is precisely a decrease in the number of small businessmen. And it is precisely a sharper division into the very rich and the poor. And then, to develop your business and go to the ruling elite are completely different things.

              Of course, the elite and just a well-fed life are heaven and earth, but for most just and fair and dignified life is enough. And then not the United States as one, take the same CHINA, because there is not pure socialism.
              1. Alf
                Alf 27 November 2017 21: 42
                +1
                Quote: free
                Of course, the elite and just a well-fed life are heaven and earth, but for most, a just and decent life is enough for most.

                And you did not think about where the elite, in principle, from any country, has SUCH wealth. The school level reads: “If something went off somewhere, then something arrived somewhere.”
                Here from there the elite and the money, we were taken from you. I remember the famous Rockefeller-Dollar words in someone else's pocket, I perceive as an insult if I can not make it mine.
                And about China, because there is also a very big difference in income. It is enough to go from the sparkling cities to the province.
            2. free
              free 4 December 2017 07: 14
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: free
              I am not a fan of fairy tales, but they probably have at least some opportunities to develop private business and accumulate capital, we do not!

              It is doubtful. The fact is that now in the United States there is precisely a decrease in the number of small businessmen. And it is precisely a sharper division into the very rich and the poor. And then, to develop your business and go to the ruling elite are completely different things.

              Thanks for the good advice! Indeed, the school curriculum reads "Capitalism is a class society", "The continuous enrichment of some means the continuous impoverishment of others." hi
      2. Golovan Jack
        Golovan Jack 26 November 2017 23: 24
        +7
        Quote: free
        and they need the monarchy to consolidate this separation legislatively!

        Shiz mowed our ranks (s)
        1. free
          free 27 November 2017 18: 46
          0
          Quote: Golovan Jack
          Quote: free
          and they need the monarchy to consolidate this separation legislatively!

          Shiz mowed our ranks (s)

          Try to refute
    2. turbris
      turbris 26 November 2017 20: 36
      +2
      What kind of socialism are you talking about in China? They have more billionaires than in the USA, they have long had capitalism with a socialist bias, so they have no contradictions with Russia on this issue.
  11. Glory1974
    Glory1974 26 November 2017 18: 41
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    But Russia probably needs to go through these trials in order to purify itself, determine its place and finally understand how we want the world to be in the 21st century,

    Why do we have to go through some kind of trials all the time? Why can not you lead without trials and hardships? Or we do not study management science at universities.
    1. turbris
      turbris 26 November 2017 20: 48
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      And if you read the comments on the article, there is so much “patriots cheers”, even tomorrow into battle, but in a real battle they certainly will not. And the power must be changed entirely and whole, McCain is quoted as saying about the gas station, the terrain doesn’t matter, and they added to the "gendarme" - people just wait for the tests, they get bored. Sometimes I even start to miss Joseph Vissarionitch, I wonder if they would be cocking at the logging as well? How to live with such a people without trials and hardships is simply impossible.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 27 November 2017 10: 09
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        And the power must be changed entirely and all

        I agree with you. But I would like a change of power in an evolutionary way. Why does a change of power require a revolution or war? Legislatively, as in the United States, it is impossible to criticize the previous president, and it is possible to criticize the predecessors for individual steps. That's it. Otherwise, each newly elected will pour slop on the previous ones, and shy away from side to side. From this point of view, the guarantees given to Putin by his predecessor look like minimal evil.
        1. Alf
          Alf 27 November 2017 19: 28
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          Quote: glory1974
          Why does a change of power require a revolution or war? Legislatively, as in the United States, it is impossible to criticize the previous president, and it is possible to criticize the predecessors for individual steps. That's it. Otherwise, each newly elected will pour slop on the previous ones, and shy away from side to side.

          And what will it change in the state system?
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 28 November 2017 10: 38
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            And what will it change in the state system?

            The state system will not change anything. But the question is, do we need to change the state system periodically? It is necessary to ensure progressive movement. Take the best from the beginnings of predecessors, analyze mistakes, and follow on. Is it to the advantage of the state when all the affairs of the predecessor are declared incorrect and the course of development is radically changing.
            As a result, society is divided into adherents of different courses, who argue with each other until hoarseness, but it’s worth it.
            1. Alf
              Alf 28 November 2017 18: 49
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              Quote: glory1974
              It is necessary to ensure progressive movement.

              How ?
              Quote: glory1974
              analyze errors

              It has already become clear that privatization without privation has done only harm. Error ? Yes. What has been done to correct this error? The performance of the tsar-priest-Privatization followed.
              How can this be fixed?
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 28 November 2017 19: 39
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                How ?

                Fighting politically, not organizing "revolutions of roses and dignity."
                It has already become clear that privatization without privation has done only harm. Mistake ? Yes.

                Who told you that this is a mistake? This is a purposeful, precisely calculated policy pursued with the aim of obtaining a new class of "rich". If the authorities sought this, why did you decide that they would play back now?
        2. free
          free 27 November 2017 21: 39
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          Quote: glory1974
          And the power must be changed entirely and all

          I agree with you. But I would like a change of power in an evolutionary way. Why does a change of power require a revolution or war? Legislatively, as in the United States, it is impossible to criticize the previous president, and it is possible to criticize the predecessors for individual steps. That's it. Otherwise, each newly elected will pour slop on the previous ones, and shy away from side to side. From this point of view, the guarantees given to Putin by his predecessor look like minimal evil.

          Who is against evolution? They don’t want to! It’s not easier from hour to hour, because you don’t need examples?
          1. Glory1974
            Glory1974 28 November 2017 10: 39
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            Who is against evolution? They don’t want to!

            The state has the right to force, it is necessary to use this, and not to give everything to chance.
            1. Alf
              Alf 28 November 2017 18: 52
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              The state has the right to enforce

              And who is the state? Now Russia is a state that is really ruled by oligarchic capitalism, in which the president is only the conductor of his policy.
              Tell me, will Abramovich, Potanin, Vekselberg, prokhorov will pass laws restricting their appetites?
              1. Glory1974
                Glory1974 28 November 2017 19: 35
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                Tell me, will Abramovich, Potanin, Vekselberg, prokhorov will pass laws restricting their appetites?

                Of course they won’t. And there are two ways. The first to organize a revolution, raise them with hostility.
                Second, to fight for a change in legislation, in the interests of the whole people. This is what I call evolutionary.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 28 November 2017 19: 39
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                  Quote: glory1974
                  Second, to fight for a change in legislation, in the interests of the whole people. This is what I call evolutionary.

                  But how to do it ? No matter how many people go to the polls, no matter how many people vote against United Russia, the calculation will still be for the party of capitalist oligarchs of United Russia. No one will voluntarily give up his power, his privileges and his power.
                2. free
                  free 29 November 2017 07: 55
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                  Quote: glory1974
                  Tell me, will Abramovich, Potanin, Vekselberg, prokhorov will pass laws restricting their appetites?

                  Of course they won’t. And there are two ways. The first to organize a revolution, raise them with hostility.
                  Second, to fight for a change in legislation, in the interests of the whole people. This is what I call evolutionary.

                  And please, in more detail, how do you intend to carry out this very struggle for changing legislation? Who will give you?
                  1. Glory1974
                    Glory1974 3 December 2017 11: 18
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                    And please, in more detail, how do you intend to carry out this very struggle for changing legislation? Who will give you?

                    Changes in legislation are coming. The process is not quick, many interfere with it, but there are results. For example, an article was introduced on the dismissal of a state official "in connection with the loss of confidence." In the first year of application, over 5 000 officials of various levels lost their posts.
                    You will say little, I agree with you. But in any case, this is better than raising them to revolutionary bayonets.
    2. Alf
      Alf 26 November 2017 23: 24
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      Or we do not study management science at universities.

      We study management science at the HSE, and there the theme is one-country donor.
      1. Glory1974
        Glory1974 27 November 2017 10: 10
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        We study management science at the HSE, and there the theme is one-country donor.

        The trouble is that the HSE puts people in power. Governors-general would be better.
        1. Alf
          Alf 27 November 2017 19: 17
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          Quote: glory1974
          The trouble is that the HSE puts people in power.

          That's it.
  12. iouris
    iouris 29 November 2017 18: 19
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    The darkness at the end of the tunnel is already visible.