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A warning has been made to the West: the Kremlin is shifting the economy onto a war footing

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The expeditious transition of large Russian enterprises of any form of ownership to the military rails will be the key to ensuring the military security of the state. This was stated by President Putin. What does it mean? The Kremlin is preparing for war? Or is it just about the insufficient pace of the necessary modernization?



Photo Shoot: kremlin.ru


According to Russian President Vladimir Putin, large Russian enterprises, private or state-owned, should be ready for an operational transition to military rails and the manufacture of military products.

The ability of the economy to “rapidly increase the volume of defense products and services at the right time is one of the most important conditions for ensuring the state’s military security,” the president said. “All strategic and simply large enterprises, regardless of their form of ownership, should be ready for this,” added he.

V. Putin expressed such an opinion at a meeting with the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, the defense-industrial complex, heads of ministries and regions.

The president said that in 2015 — 2016, “we have already discussed this topic in some detail”. And the instructions concerned "the modernization of production facilities, the formation of a reserve of material and technical resources, ensuring the transportation of troops." According to the Russian leader, the relevant work "is carried out by ministries and departments under the leadership of the board of the Military Industrial Commission and in close cooperation with the Ministry of Defense."

At the meeting, the president proposed to sum up the results of this work, to report on the deficiencies of the past years and on “what problems could not be eliminated”. “Let's talk about all this in more detail and draw the appropriate conclusions for the future,” Putin concluded.


Photo Shoot: kremlin.ru


The reason for the statements about the modernization and increasing the volume of "defense products and services at the right time" were the recent military exercises of Russia and Belarus "West-2017", including, according to the president, the "civilian aspects" of the exercises. The leader of Russia, among other things, noted that "a comprehensive assessment of the provision of troops with transport and logistics services, food and medicine was carried out." However, as a result of the exercises, “certain shortcomings were identified”, which should be “carefully” examined, as well as “additional measures to improve mobilization readiness should be developed.”

“We need to once again analyze the capabilities of defense enterprises to rapidly increase the volume of military production,” said the President of the Russian Federation.

Recall referred maneuvers "West-2017" were held in September. Almost 12,7 thousand soldiers, seven dozen airplanes and helicopters, about seven hundred units of military equipment took part in the exercises.

On the eve of the teachings of the state of NATO, they vividly expressed their discontent. In the Western press, there were statements by some European politicians and defense experts that the Russians had allegedly gathered to practice exercises in the lightning-quick seizure of the Baltic countries. In fact, similar joint maneuvers were carried out before, in 2009 and 2013. And this is surprising: the Baltic countries are still free from the “Russian yoke”! However, the European and American giants of strategic thought, the unwillingness of Russians to conquer anyone, does not prevent them from accusing Moscow of "World conspiracy". The Russians are operating in Malta, the Russians are intent on “annexing” Catalonia, etc., etc. In Poland and the Baltic States, the invasion of the Russian army has been waiting every day for a year already.

At a meeting with military leaders and representatives of the military industrial complex by the president, some specific details were expressed regarding the provision of permanent combat readiness with modern weapons to the Russian units. In particular, the president saidthat, thanks to administrative pressure on arms manufacturers, it can be hoped that the proportion of modern weapons and equipment in the units of constant combat readiness by the end of 2017 of the year can be brought up to 60%.

The emerging positive trends in the planning, deployment and implementation of the state defense order should be consolidated: it is necessary to ensure that the links of the interconnected system work effectively.

To date, 170 anti-aircraft missile systems and 1950 multi-purpose vehicles have arrived in the troops. According to the President, “within the framework of the tasks already completed, the troops received 3400 units of the main types of the latest and modernized weapons, including 16 warships and ships, 190 modern planes and helicopters, 800 tanks and armored combat vehicles. "

V. Putin specified that all new samples were tested in Syria, that is, in a combat situation. “Work in combat conditions confirmed the high characteristics of Russian weapons,” the president said. “Its traditional advantages are ease of operation and reliability in use.”

It should be recalled, we note that after the Ukrainian coup and the beginning of the Kiev crisis, the NATO bloc strengthened its forces in Europe, primarily in the Baltic region. In addition, missile defense is “settling down” in the Czech Republic, Romania and Poland. Poland becomes a kind of American “outpost” in the European Union, and not only economic (Warsaw began to buy American gas on a regular basis: signed an agreement for five years), but also defense. Both Poland and the three Baltic republics are making plans to strengthen air defense. And, be that as it may, in reality, all these plans and projects carry a threat to Russia, which the Kremlin cannot ignore.

Columnist MIA "Russia Today" Rostislav Ischenko notes that when President Putin speaks of the need to increase the level of enterprises' readiness for the transition to military rails, it is about providing the country's armed forces with materials, a repair base and maintaining mobility. “The latter is especially important for Russia: a potential military confrontation with the West is guaranteed to develop in two remote theaters (western and eastern). It is necessary to ensure resource self-sufficiency of groups of troops in remote regions (Far East, North), as well as in exclaves (Kaliningrad, Crimea), which, if a military scenario develops, may be temporarily cut off from the main territory of the country, ”writes a columnist.

There are grounds for such an opinion: in the case of the beginning of a military conflict, not a single state can fundamentally increase the production of tanks, aircraft and warships due to the complexity of modern military equipment. In addition, “after a year or two since the outbreak of hostilities, due to the depletion of stocks, the army is lacking spare parts, ammunition, uniforms, fuel and lubricants, personal protective equipment, vehicles, as well as specific equipment such as sights, thermal imagers, artillery radar and so on, ”recalls the browser.

The analyst does not admit thoughts like slogans and does not say that the said transition to “rails” will be achieved immediately after the meeting with the president. On the contrary, Ischenko is sure that the “main burden” of such a message from Putin is “still a political and diplomatic one”. The objective of this statement is to demonstrate to the opponent states that Russia takes into account the possibility of worsening relations, including the loss by Western elites of control over the process and the breakdown of military blackmail policies into military conflict. A political demonstration “should cool down hotheads in world capitals and make us think about the possible consequences of inadequate policies not only for the American elites, but also for their European partners,” adds a columnist.

Obviously, we add that the Kremlin is not prepared to turn the whole country into a military camp preparing for a third world war, whose topic is artificially inflated in the USA and in Europe (often in the Baltic States and Poland, rarely in Sweden and Denmark). Another thing is noticeable: Moscow intends to put the industry on a kind of Soviet rails, when the defense process was of paramount importance: to organize the activities of enterprises in such a way that they could produce products not only for military but for dual use.

Hence, the president’s theses on the need for enterprises to switch to defense production, which will ensure the military security of the state. With this approach, enterprises, including private ones, will be able to switch to the production of weapons, equipment and ammunition.

This is a kind of step towards the Soviet planned economy, for without plans, without planned defense orders, such a “modernization” is unthinkable. How realistic are these Kremlin plans? Is the military-industrial complex, including private business, ready to eliminate shortcomings, solve existing problems and move onto a war footing?

Today is premature to talk about it. This, in fact, is acknowledged by the president himself, when he notes that “it is necessary to once again analyze the capabilities of defense enterprises in rapidly increasing the volume of military production”.

Nevertheless, a new vector of development of the national economy is verbally designated: the defense industry. And the government seeks to give this new direction a serious pace of development.

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  1. Tektor
    Tektor 27 November 2017 12: 15 New
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    Translating the economy on a war footing can be done quite simply.
    1. A force majeure situation is announced.
    2. All available price tags in rubles are converted to USD (conventional units) without changing the ruble numbers.
    3. The value of cu is indicated. based on 1g of gold = 2500 rubles in 2017 or 1 p in 2017 = 1 cu = 0,4 mg of gold.
    4. All non-cash in rubles is converted into USD, i.e. in grams of gold. Lost the ability to convert to other currencies, because non-cash rubles no longer exist.
    5. All cash rubles are fully maintained and can be exchanged for gold with a tax of 1%, which consists of 0,5% - to the federal budget + 0,4% - to the bank that carried out the exchange + 0,1% - to the Central Bank for the fight against counterfeiting (the development of more secure banknotes). Those. when buying 100 g of gold, the client pays 101 g. rubles = 252500 cash rubles. Non-cash grams of gold into gold cannot be converted.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 November 2017 12: 21 New
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      And it seemed to me that the Kremlin can only translate arrows, and here as much as solid rails belay
      I wonder how it will look within our very market economy.
      Will the export of capital be canceled along with raccoons?
      1. Tektor
        Tektor 27 November 2017 12: 33 New
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        Will the export of capital be canceled along with raccoons?
        Yes. Even now, the export of capital loses any meaning whatsoever, because it will be necessary to justify their capital so that they are not confiscated.
      2. Dewy
        Dewy 1 December 2017 23: 44 New
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        soldier Well, why the current arrow-rails ??? mono and a dozen - throw another Satan to the United States - just in case, Chubais and Shuvalov were calm for their dollars)))))) soldier soldier soldier
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 27 November 2017 12: 22 New
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      Nevertheless, a new vector of development of the national economy is verbally designated: the defense industry. And the government seeks to give this new direction a serious pace of development.
      what a pity that from our defense plant in the city, the foundation remained ... and several walls.
    3. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 27 November 2017 12: 23 New
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      "Military rails" .... if most of the enterprises are owned either by foreign owners, or by offshore beneficiaries or "trusts" ..... And what is he going to transfer ... when the whole economy is in the "wrong hands", it is not clear ... First we need nationalization, and only then ....
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 27 November 2017 12: 45 New
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        Operational transition of large Russian enterprises any form of ownership


        Marquis in the same place in the first sentence is written

        And it seemed to me that the Kremlin can only translate arrows, and here as much as solid rails


        I admire your witticisms, even tears welling up in your eyes from your unworthy and selfless struggle with the tyrant and the Kremlin
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 November 2017 13: 04 New
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          Quote: c-Petrov
          already tears welling up on your eyes from your impolite and selfless struggle with the tyrant and the Kremlin

          Do not cry, Comrade! repeat Swing swords laughing
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          2. Lycan
            Lycan 1 December 2017 16: 52 New
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            And, perhaps, we will not touch missiles of all ranges and all capacities. wink
        2. Cat Marquis
          Cat Marquis 27 November 2017 15: 01 New
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          Marquis in the same place in the first sentence is written


          Excuse me, but how can he, for example, me, a US citizen, the owner of a pair of enterprises in Russia, force me to transfer these enterprises to "military rails"? I just send it "to hell" and all-I release what makes me profit. He wants something else, let him pay for it. well, or selects enterprises by nationalization, there is no other way under capitalism ....
          1. St Petrov
            St Petrov 27 November 2017 15: 04 New
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            I'll just send it "to hell"


            wassat
            1. Vlad.by
              Vlad.by 27 November 2017 15: 21 New
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              Here you come and ... oh, how you send.
              But do not come - oh how they will send you all ...
              Good luck in the parcels!
          2. Nikolai Grek
            Nikolai Grek 27 November 2017 16: 34 New
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            Quote: Marquis Cat
            I'll just send it "to hell"

            what what what you need only one conversation with the "competent authorities", and your parcel will go out quickly !!! wassat wink yes lol lol lol
            1. uhu189
              uhu189 28 November 2017 09: 30 New
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              And will the competent authorities manage the enterprises? Will the competent authorities also pay salaries to people? Will the competent authorities also supply and control the supply of materials? If you had a conditional salary of 40 thousand rubles when releasing market commercial products, then after transferring to military rails, will it remain that 40 thousand? Why? Obviously it will fall, and much. And many who wish to work at such an enterprise will remain? Or will the state budget begin to cover this difference for workers and employees? You can’t go far on bare patriotism ... It’s easy to declare everything to TV cameras, but in reality it will at best turn into raider seizures of property while maintaining the production profile of enterprises, and at worst into a wildest mess. Therefore, a request for commentators - you are looking at the problem from all sides, please.
              1. Nikolai Grek
                Nikolai Grek 28 November 2017 15: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: uhu189
                And will the competent authorities manage the enterprises? Will the competent authorities also pay salaries to people? Will the competent authorities also supply and control the supply of materials? If you had a conditional salary of 40 thousand rubles when releasing market commercial products, then after transferring to military rails, will it remain that 40 thousand? Why? Obviously it will fall, and much. And many who wish to work at such an enterprise will remain? Or will the state budget begin to cover this difference for workers and employees? You can’t go far on bare patriotism ... It’s easy to declare everything to TV cameras, but in reality it will at best turn into raider seizures of property while maintaining the production profile of enterprises, and at worst into a wildest mess. Therefore, a request for commentators - you are looking at the problem from all sides, please.

                what what you obviously went too far with the use of large quantities of "democracy" !!! wassat wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
                1. uhu189
                  uhu189 28 November 2017 16: 22 New
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                  No, I’m not a fan of the market economy, but I like it or not - but now we live by its laws. I just say those things that many forum users close their eyes to. Money does not come from nowhere, they can be earned only by selling the products that you produce. If you stop selling it, money ceases to appear. This is not democracy, it is an economy, and the simplest one. If you stopped making shoes and selling them at market prices, and started producing tarpaulin at state prices, then your income will decline drastically, simply because the state will not buy products at your market price. And purchase prices will fall, incomes will drop too, which means that workers' salaries will drop, so they will just go look for another job. What am I wrong, and where does the overabundance of democracy?
                  1. Nikolai Grek
                    Nikolai Grek 28 November 2017 16: 41 New
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                    Quote: uhu189
                    No, I’m not a fan of the market economy, but I like it or not - but now we live by its laws. I just say those things that many forum users close their eyes to. Money does not come from nowhere, they can be earned only by selling the products that you produce. If you stop selling it, money ceases to appear. This is not democracy, it is an economy, and the simplest one. If you stopped making shoes and selling them at market prices, and started producing tarpaulin at state prices, then your income will decline drastically, simply because the state will not buy products at your market price. And purchase prices will fall, incomes will drop too, which means that workers' salaries will drop, so they will just go look for another job. What am I wrong, and where does the overabundance of democracy?

                    if it comes to "military rails", "military regulations", etc., etc., many will be surprised how everything around will change !!! wink yes wassat laughing laughing laughing
                    1. uhu189
                      uhu189 28 November 2017 17: 06 New
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                      It will change, you are right, but not for the better. Better to do without it
                      1. Vlad.by
                        Vlad.by 29 November 2017 17: 25 New
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                        You do not expect manna from heaven when they poke you with Pershing?
                    2. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 30 November 2017 00: 19 New
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                      If the economy becomes military, then appeal to employees will become a word - comrades.

                      There is no blessing in disguise.
                    3. Vovanya
                      Vovanya 30 November 2017 22: 22 New
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                      Quote: Nikolai Grek
                      if it comes to "military rails", "military regulations", etc., etc., many will be surprised how everything around will change !!!

                      Are private owners allowed to produce weapons? But what about the FSB license?
          3. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 17: 07 New
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            Dear Cat Marquis. You are absolutely right, there are no such levers. And even if the owner is local, this in no way guarantees his subordination to Putin’s decrees.
          4. shans2
            shans2 27 November 2017 17: 22 New
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            during the war there will be nationalization, not sts)
            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 20: 29 New
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              :-) You are enchantingly interesting conversationalist! With reinforced concrete logic.
          5. faridg7
            faridg7 27 November 2017 18: 39 New
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            Quote: Marquis Cat
            Excuse me, but how can he, for example, me, a US citizen, the owner of a pair of enterprises in Russia, force me to transfer these enterprises to "military rails"?

            Very simple - you will simply be reset to zero if you try to object. According to the laws of war, RESET
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 27 November 2017 19: 26 New
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              Quote: faridg7
              Very simple - you will simply be reset to zero if you try to object. According to the laws of war, RESET

              Well, zero the Deripaska. Zero potanin.
              Fick to you, you will do something if you don’t run out of bujet, well, or from other bins. N and one bourgeois does not move or will stupidly sabotage.
              If you do not understand what the economy is a mobilization economy or a wartime economy, then it is better to remain silent, and you should not write nonsense.
              1. Romey
                Romey 27 November 2017 19: 36 New
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                Colleagues! What are the rails? Which military? They are not able to deoffshorize with full import substitution! And then there is a whole mobilization. And especially the economy. Yes, and how will the pipe be brought to enti by the very rails? After all, the whole point of the current economy of the Russian Federation is the exchange of oil and gas for paper and electronic banknotes of a potential enemy, an impressive proportion of which immediately returns to where they came from.
                1. Alf
                  Alf 27 November 2017 19: 47 New
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                  Quote: romey
                  After all, the whole point of the current economy of the Russian Federation is the exchange of oil and gas for paper and electronic banknotes of a potential enemy, an impressive proportion of which immediately returns to where they came from.

                  Yes you what! How dare you doubt the brilliant economic policy of Russia? Said the wisest how thunder struck. It rolled out and ... calmed down, the men crossed themselves and then everything went on the thumb.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 1 December 2017 14: 36 New
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                    Quote: Alf
                    How dare you doubt the brilliant economic policy of Russia?

                    With this statement, I think, not only a message was sent to the West, but also a clear message to our elites that money wagons would not be able to be transported to overshoots due to the fact that if a shukher starts, all their money will simply disappear, they will be frozen (remember history with Cyprus).
                2. 34 region
                  34 region 27 November 2017 20: 14 New
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                  Romei Today, 19:36. Good comment! You can add more about the purchase by Russia of 6 thousand tractors in the Czech Republic! Three year contract! What will we mobilize !? Even the tractors have forgotten how to do it! We make imported cars ?! We make on imported equipment and on their patterns. There are no engineers in design and research. Therefore, all mobilization will end in zilch as well as deoffshorization. All these troop transfers, this is a game of soldiers. Without its agriculture and its machine tool industry, there will be no defense and offensive. Agriculture is not only the production of grain as our government thinks. This is livestock, and breeding, and fertilizers, and technology, and scientific research. The same thing with machines. Today it is possible to buy machines there. In case of war, nobody will sell them to you. Therefore, this is a warning, purely pre-election PR!
                  1. goblin xnumx
                    goblin xnumx 3 December 2017 01: 46 New
                    +1
                    if there is an opportunity, look, where can I buy cheap train trains, otherwise the "nuclear" train cannot be made ... who will carry it, yes, and who will allow private rails to be used?
              2. Alf
                Alf 27 November 2017 19: 44 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                Well, zero the Deripaska. Zero potanin.

                Good evening, like-minded person!
                Quote: Stroporez
                Well, zero the Deripaska. Zero potanin.

                Rather, Deripaska, Potanin, or Abramovich will zero out those who come to him.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 27 November 2017 20: 09 New
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                  Quote: Alf
                  Good evening, like-minded person!

                  Strongly welcome! hi drinks
                  Quote: Alf
                  Rather, Deripaska, Potanin, or Abramovich will zero out those who come to him.

                  Duc, in people’s head porridge from litter -tv laughing
                  Of all the stolen money that sailed to offshore, I remember only one “parish” - this is “Faberge Eggs”, I understand that the thing is necessary, but .. not for a couple of trillion belay
                  That's right. Colleagues wrote that nationalization is ahead, and in my opinion it should be called confiscation, and only then mobilization economy.
                  Here, not everyone still understood that many structures serving the army are private, and then suddenly, the mantur of Denis, became a patriot and determined his wife, who owns a cosmetology clinic, to the forefront belay And then Shuvalov, he suddenly realized the danger and remade his personal plane into a ground attack aircraft and bombed his dogs over London what
                  I already sometimes think, but what do they use, is it the same Colombian or something else? request
              3. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 27 November 2017 21: 03 New
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                Quote: Stroporez
                Well, zero the Deripaska. Zero potanin.
                Fick to you, you will do something if you don’t run out of bujet, well, or from other bins. N and one bourgeois does not move or will stupidly sabotage.

                Lenin nullified and did not choke. Moreover, he told the capitalists that the RSFSR does not recognize royal debts and since 1921 began to mint silver and gold coins. So, if the state needs it, it will crush any oligarch. In addition, the situevina is now such that any oligarch understands that in the event of the fall of the Russian state, foreign oligarchs will come and expel him from the clearing where he has been nourishing his whole servants for a couple of decades. He also understands that he was one of the first to be "dispossessed" like a chipmunk bear, arresting his contributions and property in favor of the winner. So the oligarch will invest in protecting his assets, saving them from redistribution. It was comfortable for him to pull Russia and its bowels when there was a “friendship” with the West, and now in his bar, instead of a viscarik, Corvalola is becoming more and more, because there is no confidence in the future and he is not at all against the fact that the state, relying on military force acted as a defender of his business.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 27 November 2017 22: 37 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Lenin nullified and did not choke. Moreover, he told the capitalists that the RSFSR does not recognize royal debts and since 1921 began to mint silver and gold coins.

                  Well so it’s Lenin!
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  So, if the state needs it, it will crush any oligarch. In addition, the situevina is now such that any oligarch understands that in the event of the fall of the Russian state, foreign oligarchs will come and expel him from the clearing where he has been nourishing his whole servants for a couple of decades.

                  Not at all a fact, they are also conducting separate negotiations, still burning for their own safety.
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  So the oligarch will invest in protecting his assets, saving them from redistribution. It was comfortable for him to pull Russia

                  Our task is to make his stay here uncomfortable., And there he is useless for bolts, the babos will be removed ...
                  Kerimka sitting or what? Associate Billionaire .....
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  that the state, relying on military force, act as a defender of its business.

                  So this is forever, the state will force the army to protect its interests, in this case, the interests of the bourgeoisie, the question remains for the army ....
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 27 November 2017 22: 42 New
                    +5
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    Kerimka sitting or what?

                    Under recognizance not to leave. They don’t let out of Nice. crying
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 28 November 2017 11: 40 New
                      +2
                      Quote: mordvin xnumx
                      Under recognizance not to leave. They don’t let out of Nice.

                      Interestingly, but the "squad" noticed the loss of a fighter?
                      By the way, they say that Sechin left for Italy, no matter what happens what
              4. Hyperboreas
                Hyperboreas 28 November 2017 07: 27 New
                +3
                If there is a need to reset all those who need it!
          6. Mikhail Zubkov
            Mikhail Zubkov 27 November 2017 20: 54 New
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            Not meow - the law on the US defense budget says the same thing, and even with criminal articles for non-execution. WITH SHORT TERMS, which are not applicable in the Russian Federation, EVEN FOR ANY CRITICISM OF ACTION OF THE AMERICAN DEFENSE MINISTRY IN WAR. Unfortunately, we still do not have these strict standards. So everything will be simple with us - they will send to your factories a “group of citizens” with drawings and instructions on what and in what quantities to produce, and at what price and to whom to supply, and m. an agreement on production and delivery - well, and if you refuse to sign, then they will immediately introduce external management at your plants. Very good everything will be quick and painless. Your security and bookkeeping, of course, will be immediately replaced. Wartime cat, that's cool!
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          8. Dmitry Kuzhilney
            Dmitry Kuzhilney 28 November 2017 07: 45 New
            +3
            but how can he, for example, force me, a US citizen, the owner of a pair of enterprises in Russia, to force these enterprises to transfer to "military rails"? I'll just send it to hell
            Now, when you send "to hell", then you will find out how. laughing
          9. Primoos
            Primoos 30 November 2017 16: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Marquis Cat
            Marquis in the same place in the first sentence is written


            Excuse me, but how can he, for example, me, a US citizen, the owner of a pair of enterprises in Russia, force me to transfer these enterprises to "military rails"? I just send it "to hell" and all-I release what makes me profit. He wants something else, let him pay for it. well, or selects enterprises by nationalization, there is no other way under capitalism ....

            If at the time of sending you will be in mattress, there will be an idle bulge on your part. And if you start to arise in Russia under the laws of the war, then you will tryndet in the camp hut until the criminals cut off their tongues. This is at best, the owner of the factory-newspaper-steamboats you are ours.
      2. AA17
        AA17 27 November 2017 13: 38 New
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        "... must be ready for the operational transition to military rails and the production of military products ..." The measure is necessary. It may be for this that the bankruptcy proceedings of the enterprises of the "Tractor Plants" concern have begun, in order to change the owner to ROSTECH Corporation. We'll see.
        P.S. Yesterday on TV "Star" watched a program about the work of the tank industry during the war. I learned a lot of new things. But the most important thing was the information that surprised me. To accelerate the release of T-34 tanks (so as not to depend on components), the People’s Commissariat of the Tank Industry gave permission to all tank plants that produce this tank to make changes to the design of the tank at their own responsibility, if they do not lead to a deterioration in the fighting qualities of the tank. This DECISION had no analogues in the world practice of tank building. The result was a rapid reduction in the cost of production of tanks, which did not affect the tactical and technical characteristics of the tank.
        1. jjj
          jjj 27 November 2017 14: 42 New
          +7
          Also drew attention to this. Just keep in mind that Stalin allowed on his behalf to sign documents in his directions to the GKO members. They had facsimiles of the signature of Joseph Vissarionovich
        2. your1970
          your1970 27 November 2017 20: 43 New
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          As a result, tanks from different plants became possible to repair only on their own, releasing them factories .. standardization of tyu ...
          1. Alf
            Alf 27 November 2017 21: 02 New
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            Quote: your1970
            As a result, tanks from different plants became possible to repair only on their own, releasing them factories .. standardization of tyu ...

            Not certainly in that way. The attachment points are preserved. How many pictures were there, where, for example, on one side of THREE different rinks with rubber bands are solid, with internal shock absorption and rubberized spokes. The shoulder straps of the towers were the same, the weapons were the same, the engine was the same.
            1. your1970
              your1970 28 November 2017 09: 56 New
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              if required individual fit (!!!!) drives to PPSh - which were made within the framework of ONE plant - about such a complex product as a tank +
              Quote: AA17
              contribute design changes tank under your responsibility

              - do not go to the fortuneteller - parts / units are not docked guaranteed
              1. Alf
                Alf 28 November 2017 18: 56 New
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                Quote: your1970
                - do not go to the fortuneteller - parts / units are not docked guaranteed

                Is that what you think or do you have confirmation?
        3. Overlock
          Overlock 28 November 2017 20: 26 New
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          Interestingly, such initiative and self-acting, not looking into the mouth of the boss, is there?
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 30 November 2017 01: 55 New
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            During the USSR, the level of education of workers and leaders was beaten approximately equal. Therefore, among the workers there were always those who spoke the truth and only the truth, no matter how unpleasant it was.

            This is the difference from the cap system. When workers are educated easier to maintain supervisor status
            1. Alf
              Alf 30 November 2017 19: 10 New
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              Quote: gladcu2
              Therefore, among the workers there were always those who spoke the truth and only the truth, no matter how unpleasant it was.

              Not only that. People really identified themselves with the country, realizing that everything they do is for the good of the country. And now the worker is not interested in doing anything better, faster, easier or cheaper, because everything that is earned in this way will go into the pocket of the owner, but not of the country.
      3. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 27 November 2017 16: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: Marquis Cat
        if most of the enterprises are owned either by foreign owners, or by offshore beneficiaries or "trusts" ..... And

        what what what owned but not located there !!! wink tongue tongue laughing laughing laughing laughing
        1. 34 region
          34 region 27 November 2017 19: 55 New
          13
          Nikolay Grek Today, 16:32. Let's say the Amertz plant is in Russia. And whose machines in this factory? Do you need spare parts for them? When the Italian machine tool was shut down, a specialist from Rostov was called in to save money. Did not help. They called a Muscovite, it did not help. They called the Italian and paid him the currency. And all this (the challenge of domestic specialists) was to save money! As a result, I had to call a foreigner and pay with foreign currency. And such cases are not isolated. A replacement parts !? With imported machines, in isolation, the plant will not last long.
          1. Cat Marquis
            Cat Marquis 28 November 2017 06: 26 New
            +2
            All right. For CNC machines, all the software with “bookmarks” and the lines are controlled “remotely”, Rogozin was already “tearing and metal” when most of the machines and lines with automatic control bought for defense for crazy money, after the introduction of sanctions, turned into a “pile” metal "....
            1. Dmitry Kuzhilney
              Dmitry Kuzhilney 28 November 2017 07: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: Marquis Cat
              For CNC machines, all software with bookmarks and lines are controlled remotely
              Oh really?! And how do they still work?
              For example, at UVZ. smile Everything has long been reflashed. Do not worry.

              Quote: Marquis Cat
              ... Rogozin was already "tearing and metal," when most of the automatic control machines and lines purchased for the defense industry for crazy money, after the imposition of sanctions, turned into a "pile of metal" ...
              Oh, this Rogozin ... smile
              1. Cat Marquis
                Cat Marquis 28 November 2017 08: 53 New
                +6
                "Re-flashed" .... Well, well .... In Russia, all government agencies and even government agencies work on equipment and through the CISCO server, and all banking operations of Russian banks abroad go with SWIFT verification. Doesn’t say anything? wink
                1. Dmitry Kuzhilney
                  Dmitry Kuzhilney 28 November 2017 09: 05 New
                  +3
                  “Well” or “not well”, but the CNC machines work, and do not think to turn into a “pile of metal”. Doesn’t say anything? smile
                  1. 34 region
                    34 region 28 November 2017 10: 07 New
                    +3
                    Dmitry Kuzhilney Today, 09:05. After installing the equipment, it must be put into operation. Ours are allowed, but he is not allowed. Either our hosts are greedy, or our programmers are dumb. As a result, after all the ordeals with saving money, you have to call foreigners. Okay, the machine has gone. Ours begin to make ratsuks and remove superfluous in their opinion details and elements. And only when ** pedal drive ** remains in the control of the machine, only then the machine does not turn into a pile of metal. *** Everything has long been reflashed. Do not worry. *** Reliable Russian flashing! laughing Maybe in the defense industry everything is adult, but in civilian it’s still in Russian. Such an analog of car repair. It is not necessary, it is superfluous, it is more convenient, and so on.
                    1. Cat Marquis
                      Cat Marquis 28 November 2017 11: 58 New
                      12
                      Absolutely right. Once upon a time I went to study in Italy to service automated lines. Then he worked in this specialty in servicing the line for the production of soles for shoes at the Iskozh plant in the city of Kirov. the line was new, only sourced from Italy. The production itself is "archived" because robots for different stages of production were used there. One robot should be "unfasten" "baked" soles from the "hearth" - probably the most hellish place in the process. Over time, the robot needed spare parts from Italy, but the management decided not to spend money on maintenance and spare parts, but simply ordered to dismantle the robot, and instead put two “hard workers” with hooks, which for 6000 rubles (2003) per month, in hellish heat and fumes of chemicals, these hooks unfastened the soles of the molds. The same thing happened at other sites — where the components were poured into the hopper, where forms were prepared, etc. — everywhere robots and automation were replaced by people. Although the whole joke of the "automation" of that production was to remove people from it because of its extreme harmfulness. That was the kind of "robotization" there. That work once again convinced me that ordinary people for Russian "owners", "entrepreneurs" are just rubbish, consumables.
                      1. THE_SEAL
                        THE_SEAL 1 December 2017 12: 13 New
                        0
                        It is very bad that there are such hard workers. Italians will not work like that. Respect yourself.
                    2. Dmitry Kuzhilney
                      Dmitry Kuzhilney 28 November 2017 16: 18 New
                      +2
                      Quote: 34 region
                      Maybe everything in the defense industry is adult ...
                      It's about the defense industry.
                      And the declared GDP intention to transfer industry to military footing, imh, means pulling up civilian industry to the level of defense FSUEs.
                2. E50M
                  E50M 1 December 2017 07: 02 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Marquis Cat
                  "Re-flashed" .... Well, well .... In Russia, all government agencies and even government agencies work on equipment and through the CISCO server, and all banking operations of Russian banks abroad go with SWIFT verification. Doesn’t say anything? wink

                  I do not agree with the principled position, but I agree with the veils. Let's not even talk about the CISCO network equipment on which secure (secure, Carl) communication channels are built, but just dumb about the "Windows" on which it all works and Intel processes.
      4. passing
        passing 27 November 2017 17: 55 New
        +8
        [quote "Military rails" .... if most of the enterprises are owned either by foreign owners, or offshore beneficiaries or "trusts" ..... And what is he going to transfer ... when the whole economy is in the "wrong hands", it is not clear. .. First we need nationalization, and only then ....] [/ quote]
        It seems to me alone that this is information for domestic consumption, so to speak, to consolidate the population around our president of foreign affairs?
      5. SAG64
        SAG64 27 November 2017 18: 33 New
        +3
        First we need nationalization, and only then ... good
        1. b-volh
          b-volh 27 November 2017 21: 00 New
          +2
          [quote] First we need nationalization, and only then [/ quote]





















          It is not right at first that we need a technical modernization of the economy, training for new production personnel does not recruit them from the guards and warehouse workers. Dear friend, today we have 85% of electronic components manufactured by Western companies. predominantly the USA Putin, being Prime Minister, was preparing a resolution for 13 years to create an industry to bring the number of electronics produced in the Russian Federation to only 45%. Stalin didn’t create our military industrial complex from scratch; for example, LI2 was made under license from the US company Douglas and much more This process took at least 12 years, and after the war, our illustrious MIG 15 fighter was equipped for almost 2 years with RolRoys engines purchased through England until we learned how to make our own !!!
      6. fif21
        fif21 27 November 2017 21: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Marquis Cat
        "Military rails" .... if most of the enterprises are owned either by foreign owners,
        The hosts are over the hill, and the enterprises are in Russia. In the event of war, enterprises are temporarily nationalized. hi
        1. MadCat
          MadCat 28 November 2017 01: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: fif21
          The hosts are over the hill, and the enterprises are in Russia. In the event of war, enterprises are temporarily nationalized. hi

          nothing will prevent the owners from providing intellectual property, but simply reset all the software and nobody will need this scrap if they need to ...
          1. fif21
            fif21 28 November 2017 08: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: MadCat
            nothing will prevent the owners from providing intellectual property
            This is where you need to work. There are intellectual companies in the RF Ministry of Defense, no one has canceled industrial espionage either, and God himself ordered the law to pass copies of the software to the military enlistment offices. hi
      7. Serzh
        Serzh 3 December 2017 16: 17 New
        0
        The word military, as it were, explains everything - or when declaring war on an enterprise whose owner is a European, because the owner wanted it so much and to the war ?!
        The owners are somewhere "there", and the factories, ships and factories - they are all here, on our land and our people work there.
        So let the owners have fun for now. Thunder will strike - they will cease to be owners. We are not looking for war.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 27 November 2017 14: 49 New
      +1
      You can put the economy on a war footing, but it will be difficult to jump from them. winked
    5. Lavrenti Pavlovich
      Lavrenti Pavlovich 27 November 2017 14: 55 New
      +1
      And why and who needs it? The current ruble exchange rate is beneficial to the domestic producer, therefore, only now has agriculture and production reached a peak. And you are proposing monetary reform and strengthening the ruble.
    6. venik
      venik 27 November 2017 17: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Tektor
      Translating the economy on a war footing can be done quite simply.

      ===========
      I just don’t understand one thing - that’s why YOU were not invited to develop a “concept” ??? MUCH MUST BE Modest!!!! You look and "people will reach for you" ......
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 28 November 2017 06: 07 New
      +1
      "Interesting movie!" That's just ..... "smoothly" happens only on paper ...
    8. Prole
      Prole 28 November 2017 08: 49 New
      +1
      This has already happened. In tsarist Russia. The ruble was tied to gold and laid out gold for sale, well, so that for garlic. And then clever businessmen began to export gold, collapsing the economy. It was the same under Stolypin. Then this practice was recognized as a failure.
    9. Nikolay Fedorov
      Nikolay Fedorov 28 November 2017 13: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Tektor
      Translating the economy on a war footing can be done quite simply.
      1. A force majeure situation is announced.
      2. All available price tags in rubles are converted into cu (conventional units) without changing the ruble digits ...

      Further it would be possible not to continue reading, but I continued. The conclusion is simple. It is great that you have not reached the top leadership posts of our state. Therefore, we still have a chance ...
    10. Overlock
      Overlock 28 November 2017 20: 21 New
      +1
      and what to translate - is there?
      Russia lost competition in the global economy, and its lagging behind advanced countries threatens to become larger than during the industrial revolution, Sberbank President German Gref said today at the site of the Future of the Impossible Gaidar Forum. According to him, the end of the oil age has come and the country's only chance - the triad "science - education - business" with the change of all state institutions, conveyed the words of Gref Anatoly Chubais. The exact phrase is “with a radical change in the quality of all state institutions,” Gref conveyed to Vedomosti through a representative.
  2. Sofa General
    Sofa General 27 November 2017 12: 25 New
    26
    GDP planned to nationalize? If not, then his words are nothing but a concussion.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 November 2017 12: 35 New
      17
      Quote: Sofa General
      GDP planned to nationalize? If not, then his words are nothing but a concussion.

      Yes sir! As in general and always.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 27 November 2017 12: 50 New
        22
        Yes sir! As in general and always


        I like to read forum opposition and specifically Stroporeza and their (his) stories about Putin doing nothing, but only shaking the air.

        From the flap of your fingers over the keyboard, a wave of indignation began to flow through the atmosphere, and now big things are solved, as in the story of a butterfly, from the flap of wings of which a typhoon begins on the other end of the planet

        Now I’m waiting for the action caused by your typing of letters on the keyboard. I follow the situation in the world, and if something happens somewhere, I know who it "worked" soldier
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 27 November 2017 13: 08 New
          +6
          Quote: c-Petrov
          St Petrov

          Petrov- this five !!!! + 100500 laughing drinks
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 17: 09 New
          +6
          Dear Petrov. And you do not sit and do not wait. Take action. And then from the side it looks like one sofa wrestler teaches another sofa wrestler.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 28 November 2017 21: 56 New
            +2
            who will master whom? Stroporez in front, in my opinion
            1. Serzh
              Serzh 3 December 2017 16: 21 New
              0
              in your opinion. private opinion. does not mean a reflection of reality)
              if anything - I'm neutral in this dispute)
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 27 November 2017 12: 58 New
      19
      Quote: Sofa General
      GDP planned to nationalize? If not, then his words are nothing but a concussion.

      This is a concussion, a message to patriotic forces - you see, they say, we are working, we are thinking ... But who will believe him, who has lied to him more than once?
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 27 November 2017 13: 01 New
        +4
        Anti-Anglosax and Stroporez blurted out an increase in GDP from 7 trillion. in 2000 to 86 trillion in 2016 on the forum.

        Rrebryat, well, you handsome, of course, Vlad has to go to rest. It's time to give the reins
        1. Sofa General
          Sofa General 27 November 2017 13: 29 New
          18
          St Petrov
          It seems like even you gave me a graph of the "growth" of the industry from 1991 to 2016, or not?
          So, on the above graph you can see the GROWTH of only the EXTRACTIVE industry.
          And if you take the working class salary growth schedule, then everything is great there.
          Only here is the simplest question for you, you are our lover of GDP ...
          HOW, with annual inflation of 4-7%, the price tag in the store has increased THREE times? And this is only in the last three years.
          Or is "arithmetic" a pseudoscience for you too?
          1. amirbek
            amirbek 27 November 2017 13: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: Sofa General
            Or is "arithmetic" a pseudoscience for you too?

            and what about the "soothsayers" did not hear where the "end of the world" ... what is buoying in 2018 ...
          2. St Petrov
            St Petrov 27 November 2017 13: 54 New
            +5


            you about this schedule.
            1) Growth has been going since the default on all counts. Vlad resolved issues while doing nothing. How does that sound?)
            2) the USSR is not the Russian Federation. Comparing is stupid. Look at how much the population was then, now it’s half as much. And other factors are enough. I think you're an adult and smart - just pretend
            3) And if you take the growth schedule for the wages of the working class, then everything is great there. - open an IP, LLC, OJSC, make the salary that you think is necessary - since there are no limits or limits.
            4) HOW, with annual inflation of 4-7%, the price tag in the store has increased THREE times? And this is only in the last three years. - Ask a question to compatriots who draw price tags in stores. It’s not Putin who draws them.

            Krasnoyarsk businessman Nikolai Ostapenko spoke about the reasons that prompted to stop the free distribution of bread, begun a year ago, to the needy. One of them was the claim of those wishing to receive help, among which not everyone needed it, reports Komsomolskaya Pravda - Krasnoyarsk.

            The charity event at the grocery store lasted only three months. Initially, it was planned as temporary, but with the prospect of extension if successful. However, the results were unexpected for the organizer.


            This is a funny story. But you can try and do better. Open a retail store - subsidize - distribute bread for free - give an example.

            Or is "arithmetic" a pseudoscience for you too?


            the main thing is not to fight with logic and everything will be fine.
            1. Sofa General
              Sofa General 27 November 2017 14: 02 New
              +8
              SP, LLC speak?
              Well, well
              1. St Petrov
                St Petrov 27 November 2017 14: 03 New
                10
                essentially where is the answer? If there is still an echo of socialism in the head of communism, too, wake up. 25 years ago, clowns broke a train and he got on the siding

                Maybe they will reanimate, but it will not be today or tomorrow.

                PS Mother is a teacher with more than 20 years of experience, mother-in-law is a senior nurse, father is a lieutenant colonel of the Air Force. So I don’t need to tell stories now about the “people” without a piece of bread.
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 27 November 2017 14: 22 New
                  12
                  otherwise I’ll tell you how civil servants (teachers, doctors, officers) lived and survived before the arrival of the bloody dictator Vlad in the Kremlin.

                  And show me clowns and jesters in the video - a bad taste. Clowns and jesters under capitalism and under socialism are always kind. It’s good that at least the nepolytsev Slepakov was not shown how he sings songs and worries about the fate of Rossiushka after visiting the synagogue
                2. Sofa General
                  Sofa General 27 November 2017 14: 27 New
                  26
                  St Petrov
                  I see right before my eyes: "IP Petrov" - private repair of tanks, wheel alignment, cutting a gun on a gun ...
                  We are talking about different things.
                  IP, LLC - this is at the level of hairdressers and tailoring (and then not on an industrial scale).
                  The economy of the state is based on energy, heavy engineering and not on the extraction and sale of raw materials. Selling raw materials is the lot of banana republics. Where we can’t get out of.
                  PS According to the price tags ... I agree that Putin does not install them. Nonetheless. For some reason, it is generally accepted that if dissatisfaction ripens in the state, it’s not the switchmen who are to blame, but the driver. Not this way? Because according to your logic, “the king is good - the boyars are bad”, anyone can be justified.
                  I’ll say it especially for you. I am not diminishing Putin's merit in the international arena, but domestic politics is FAST. And here you will not convince me. I see the standard of living of the "people." including teachers with 20 years of experience and doctors too.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 27 November 2017 17: 59 New
                    +4
                    "IP, LLC - this is at the level of hairdressers and tailoring" - You are mistaken, that’s all, including those involved in the production, repair and development.
                    1. Reserve officer
                      Reserve officer 27 November 2017 20: 36 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      "IP, LLC - this is at the level of hairdressers and tailoring" - You are mistaken, that’s all, including those involved in the production, repair and development.


                      Absolutely right, Vadim. Including through the state defense order. Incidentally IP, unlike a bunch of dubious shops with 10 TR registered capital, is responsible for all its property.
                    2. Sofa General
                      Sofa General 28 November 2017 00: 12 New
                      +4
                      Something was never heard of scientific developments from any IP and LLC ...
                      Some little things like rationalization proposals - as many as you like, but scientific work is already too much ...
                      R&D, if you suddenly, suddenly, so to speak, think about them - so this is not IP and LLC ... this is fundamental.
                3. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 27 November 2017 16: 58 New
                  +5
                  Quote: c-Petrov
                  essentially where is the answer?

                  Look at 32.20, if it’s interesting then look at everything.
            2. Lnglr
              Lnglr 27 November 2017 17: 05 New
              +5
              logic, of course, no need to fight.
              But here you bring the schedule and say: "Growth on all counts !!!"
              And I see stagnation on all counts, with the exception of mining
            3. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 17: 12 New
              +5
              The main thing is to face the truth, only then it will be normal. And often, some have a great desire to bring logic to their beliefs. For example, I believe that Putin is to blame for what you and others wrote about. If only because he is a guarantor, but at the same time, the system built by the authorities functions only for the benefit of a narrow circle of people.
            4. b-volh
              b-volh 27 November 2017 21: 26 New
              +2
              [quote] [4) HOW, with an annual inflation of 4-7%, the price tag in the store increased THREE times? And this is only in the last three years. - Ask a question to compatriots who draw price tags in stores. It’s not Putin who draws them.
              Krasnoyarsk bi / quote] All right means it is an illegal price conspiracy, and it’s illegal what the police look at the prosecutor’s office .... and finally Putin himself, while looking at the Constitution of the Russian Federation, he promised us without conditional execution of the laws of the country and compliance with the latter chapters 1 and 2 Constitution of the Russian Federation
          3. QWERTY
            QWERTY 27 November 2017 15: 57 New
            +3
            This is what the price tag has tripled? The hemp you want to eat?
            1. Sofa General
              Sofa General 27 November 2017 16: 31 New
              11
              dear ytsuken.
              unlike you, a dependent on the neck of parents or the state, I lead a full independent life. Including I am responsible for my family and children. And the average grocery store check, with about the same grocery set, I know not by hearsay.
              Look here: http://paikea.ru/food_prices_for_last_10_years/
              This is still poorly shown. No meat, no seafood.
              So stop sitting on the neck of your parents and get off to work.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 17: 14 New
                +1
                Dear couch general. You work in vain, getting facts. These people replace the truth with beliefs. They are so calmer, and they warmed up.
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                1. Alf
                  Alf 27 November 2017 21: 05 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Svetlana K.
                  You're lying, lousy, about price tags

                  Really remained at the level of 2013? Where are these stores? May I have an address? I’m going to get rid of it.
            2. True
              True 27 November 2017 17: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: ytsuken
              This is what the price tag has tripled? The hemp you want to eat?

              Everything has been stable for already 7 years))) Although it is strange of course, why doesn’t it cost so many years. Maybe management is effective. Even inflation is on the side. Strange ...
          4. Romey
            Romey 27 November 2017 19: 39 New
            +3
            If the schedule is from Rosstat, then you can safely send it to the firebox. For now he is directly subordinate to the Ministry of Economic Development, which is directly interested in falsifying statistics.
      2. GAF
        GAF 27 November 2017 14: 09 New
        +6
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        But who will believe him, more than once having lied to him?

        I didn’t hear promises from Putin - to everyone according to Mercedes "by the pike command". Need to work.
        1. bk316
          bk316 27 November 2017 14: 28 New
          +8
          I haven’t heard promises from Putin - to everyone according to pike Mercedes

          An epidemic of the disease “we all owe us” is developing in the world, 404 is completely defeated, adherents of the communist idea are defeated in VO. The disease takes forms from "must Muscovites" in 404 to must "must Putin" in
          1. Romey
            Romey 27 November 2017 19: 43 New
            +8
            An epidemic of the disease “we all owe us” is developing in the world, 404 is completely defeated, adherents of the communist idea are defeated in VO. The disease takes forms from "must Muscovites" in 404 to must "must Putin" in

            And that Putin has already exceeded what was stated in the May decrees? Although what am I talking about ... After all, this is a man who owes nothing to anyone and promised nothing to anyone. And this applies not only to New Russia, but to everyone else, besides Russian analogues of any friends.
            1. bk316
              bk316 28 November 2017 15: 02 New
              +5
              that Putin has already exceeded what was stated in the May decrees?

              Oh, one more patient.
              Was Putin supposed to do this? Do you think he writes decrees to himself?
              IT YOU THEY ARE NOT COMPLETED. SAY THANKS THAT WRITTEN GDP, NOT STALIN.
              Otherwise with YOU would ask and do not think that everything would be limited to Sechin and Chubais, there is little responsibility. All who noted in this commentary are clearly subject to labor re-education, just for the comments themselves. Who does not understand this full DB.
              1. Romey
                Romey 28 November 2017 18: 09 New
                +2
                Do you understand, write? Or with us, what? Anarchy is the mother of order? Why do we need a government and a president with powers which the autocrats did not have, uncontrolled, unaccountable and irresponsible (even before God), and who write decrees that the people themselves must fulfill, and not a government that a priori exists ... so that the patient is not me, but those who have such a perverted logic .... After such comments, I become more and more convinced that with a similar approach of the authorities and its apologists to pressing problems, a catastrophe is simply inevitable ... We will prepare for ourselves unpleasant. sad
                1. Romey
                  Romey 28 November 2017 18: 18 New
                  +2
                  No, this is already something with something ... It turns out I am NOT FINANCING subsidies to state employees stipulated by these very decrees. I pay ALL taxes and payments due, both direct and indirect. Who else but the president and the government should be responsible for my money coming to the budget.
                2. Serzh
                  Serzh 3 December 2017 16: 30 New
                  0
                  You just did not understand what was written. Or understand how you feel comfortable.
        2. andrej-shironov
          andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 17: 15 New
          12
          25 million high-tech jobs — not a promise? Although he fulfilled it by the way, there were really only 25 million jobs left.
          1. Alf
            Alf 27 November 2017 19: 58 New
            12
            Quote: andrej-shironov
            25 million high-tech jobs — not a promise? Although he fulfilled it by the way, there were really only 25 million jobs left.

            1. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 20: 35 New
              +5
              :-) Greetings Alf. Very reminiscent of Ostap in New Vasyuki. And we in the role of Vasyukintsev.
              1. Alf
                Alf 27 November 2017 20: 56 New
                +5
                Quote: andrej-shironov
                :-) Greetings Alf. Very reminiscent of Ostap in New Vasyuki. And we in the role of Vasyukintsev.

                Good evening ! And we are them. But I wonder when Ostap decides to make legs?
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      3. Alf
        Alf 27 November 2017 19: 50 New
        +6
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        But who will believe him, more than once having lied to him?

        He never lies, just circumstances change.
    3. Vlad.by
      Vlad.by 27 November 2017 15: 25 New
      +2
      Maybe he was planning, in any case, he warned him HOW he would do it.
    4. Alf
      Alf 27 November 2017 19: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Sofa General
      then his words are nothing but a concussion.

      First time or what?
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  3. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 27 November 2017 12: 27 New
    +7
    The prompt transition of large Russian enterprises of any form of ownership of military rails will become the key to ensuring the military security of the state. This was stated by President Putin. What does it mean? The Kremlin is preparing for war? Or is it just about the insufficient pace of the necessary modernization? ...

    As Lavrov said: “D-B”! fool This just means that Russia, with its economy torn to shreds, is turning from a country of a "gasoline-powered column" to a "tank-powered column"! good

    PS Now, apparently, Russian liberals will begin to cry and moan that - it’s time to get off the gun’s needle already! yes
    1. Cat Marquis
      Cat Marquis 27 November 2017 12: 33 New
      +6
      Want to reveal a secret? 5 billion dollars is just a monthly pension for the country's pensioners and then "at a minimum." wink
      1. Nikolai Grek
        Nikolai Grek 27 November 2017 16: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Marquis Cat
        Want to reveal a secret? 5 billion dollars is just a monthly pension for the country's pensioners and then "at a minimum." wink

        Americans need lope need to be sold to provide a monthly pension to warriors ??? winked lol lol lol
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 November 2017 18: 04 New
        +2
        To pay normal pensions, it is necessary to create production and the most difficult thing is to find a sales market for it, to increase the state budget at least twice, but for now -
        1. Alf
          Alf 27 November 2017 20: 01 New
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          To pay normal pensions you need to create production and the most difficult thing is to find a market for it,

          But is it impossible to build an economy in such a way that Russia produces Russian products, which they will buy domestically, and not just produce oil, gas and tanks?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 27 November 2017 20: 10 New
            +1
            In Russia, they produce almost everything from pins to reactors, satellites and rocket engines. All this is bought domestically and exported, but it isn’t a problem with mass production, our consumer has a choice - in consumer goods, he prefers foreign brands, in engineering 50 to 50 - the choice is big, the last word for the consumer.
            1. Alf
              Alf 27 November 2017 20: 20 New
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              All this is bought domestically

              Yes Yes. The inscription "Made in Russia" for some reason is supported by the inscription-LLC Such-and-such address Moscow, made in China.
              For instance. Interskol tool. Good and inexpensive tool. On the boxes it is written-Office-Moscow, made in China.
            2. andrej-shironov
              andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 20: 37 New
              +1
              They DO NOT PRODUCE, but PRODUCED IN THE USSR. See Rosstat data on product range in industry.
            3. goblin xnumx
              goblin xnumx 3 December 2017 02: 11 New
              0
              "In Russia, they produce almost everything from pins to reactors, satellites and rocket engines. All this is bought domestically and exported," bullshit ... more than 70 percent bullshit
        2. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 27 November 2017 21: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          To pay normal pensions, it is necessary to create production and the most difficult thing is to find a sales market for it, to increase the state budget at least twice, but for now -

          do not forget that the regions together form a budget equal to the federal one ... this is firstly ... secondly, the budget revenues are shown in the diagram ... expenses are 3 shaking more !!!
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 27 November 2017 12: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Sergey-svs
      Russia, with its economy torn to shreds, is turning from a country of a "gasoline column" to a "tank column"!

      Yeah ...
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      1. Sergey-svs
        Sergey-svs 27 November 2017 16: 44 New
        +6
        Quote: THE_SEAL
        ... Dude, are you ready to put on your greatcoat and take your Mosin guns with American machine guns?
        No.
        Then sit and keep quiet.

        Yes, I actually then, in the "greatcoat" and with half-life, ran through, so the "American machine guns", I personally - do not scare! yes
        PS My friend, rudeness does not suit anyone, and even more so for you! Think about it at your leisure. hi
        1. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 1 December 2017 12: 22 New
          0
          Quote: Sergey-svs
          Quote: THE_SEAL
          ... Dude, are you ready to put on your greatcoat and take your Mosin guns with American machine guns?
          No.
          Then sit and keep quiet.

          Yes, I actually then, in the "greatcoat" and with half-life, ran through, so the "American machine guns", I personally - do not scare! yes
          PS My friend, rudeness does not suit anyone, and even more so for you! Think about it at your leisure. hi

          Half life in a greatcoat and with Kalash? There are no more questions.
        2. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 1 December 2017 12: 51 New
          +1



          Sergey-svs, take off your cap from time to time like your smiley face. Ventilate your head. And even better, cool with a cold compress to bring your thoughts in order.
          The war has not brought any country to good. And the military rails had already destroyed the scoop in due time. Conclusions need to be done and head to think. Live peacefully. Work yourself and let others.
    4. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 1 December 2017 12: 33 New
      0
      What car do you drive yourself? What kind of TV do you have and phone?
      Probably assembled on our defense industry?
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 27 November 2017 12: 43 New
    +9
    In my opinion, the defense industry and production enterprises (the same Gazprom, Rosneft, etc.) should only be state-owned. The existence of the state depends on the work of these enterprises, so you cannot give them to anyone.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 27 November 2017 12: 59 New
      +6
      Quote: stock buildbat
      In my opinion, defense industry enterprises and producers (the same Gazprom, Rosneft, etc.) should only be state-owned.

      but in my opinion, everything is already divided ...
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 November 2017 18: 06 New
      +1
      The state controls these taxes and the taxes they pay to the state budget.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 27 November 2017 19: 38 New
        +5
        I meant - FULLY state. And then you look at the list of the board of directors of the same Gazprom - and your hands reach for the machine.
      2. Alf
        Alf 27 November 2017 20: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        The state controls these taxes and the taxes they pay to the state budget.

        And where does the profit go?
  5. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 November 2017 12: 45 New
    +6
    Something the faces of our military leaders do not inspire optimism.
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 27 November 2017 13: 37 New
      +2
      For the first time, from 90's, you can look at “nerves”
      Quote: vladimirvn
      faces of our military leaders

      A. What is the “military rails” and the mobile reserve, well, naturally, except for the military, those who have worked in the special departments of industrial enterprises know well. And then some, "break" here outright nonsense. offering your visions of problem solving.
  6. Yngvar
    Yngvar 27 November 2017 12: 54 New
    +8
    "The prompt transition of large Russian enterprises of any form of ownership on military rails ..." Is this an excuse? "Tighten the straps! And now closer to the throat ..." Or how?
  7. Eurodav
    Eurodav 27 November 2017 13: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: c-Petrov
    already tears welling up on your eyes from your impolite and selfless struggle with the tyrant and the Kremlin

    Do not cry, Comrade! repeat Swing swords laughing

    On the contrary ... I screamed at the swords, or at least at a whisper!
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 27 November 2017 15: 26 New
    10
    In our town and on military rails there’s no one to go to .. Stores alone, firms providing services .. Nothing producing ... Unless, bakeries ... Sleepers, sleepers, the train rides late, and the rail is not enough .. .
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 27 November 2017 16: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: parusnik
      In our town and on military rails there’s no one to go to .. Stores alone, firms providing services .. Nothing producing ... Unless, bakeries ... Sleepers, sleepers, the train rides late, and the rail is not enough .. .

      what what everyone in the world has such problems !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing
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  10. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 27 November 2017 16: 31 New
    +5
    Quote: Marquis Cat
    Marquis in the same place in the first sentence is written


    Excuse me, but how can he, for example, me, a US citizen, the owner of a pair of enterprises in Russia, force me to transfer these enterprises to "military rails"? I just send it "to hell" and all-I release what makes me profit. He wants something else, let him pay for it. well, or selects enterprises by nationalization, there is no other way under capitalism ....

    Well, immediately you climb into the bottle. They make an offer to you, you, as an American, answer: go through the forest. Uncles and aunts come with the tax and you will be happy. And many times ... laughing tongue wassat
    1. Lnglr
      Lnglr 27 November 2017 17: 07 New
      +1
      Uncles and aunts come with the tax and you will be happy.

      Therefore, we do not have a normal business
  11. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 27 November 2017 17: 04 New
    +1
    Dear Oleg. Honestly, the sensations are twofold: on the one hand, it seems like this wish was stated, or an order. On the other hand, there is a sensation of power again trying to solve problems by applying half measures. And the situation with the May decrees of the President shows how officials and the oligarchy can slow down all at least a little good wishes. But this line sounds like a mockery:
    Another thing is noticeable: Moscow intends to put industry on a kind of Soviet track, when the defense process was of paramount importance: to organize the activities of enterprises in such a way that they could produce not only exclusively military but dual-use products.
  12. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 27 November 2017 19: 02 New
    +7
    It is simply ridiculous and unrealistic with a liberal government in power, oligarchs, etc. Chronic problems that last for years, even at facilities such as gunpowder and cartridge factories, cannot be solved for years! What else to talk about
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    1. Alf
      Alf 27 November 2017 20: 06 New
      +4
      Quote: Ryszard Ewiak
      Where are we going? What does the Bible say?

      1) Before us is the collapse of the EU and NATO, and the return of Russia. Many countries of the former eastern bloc will leave the American sphere of influence and will return under the wings of Russia as a prodigal son (Daniel 11: 29a).

      2) Then there will be a global nuclear war (Daniel 11: 29b, 30a; Matthew 24: 7; Revelation 6: 4). “The people will rise against the people” (similar to 2008), and then “kingdom to kingdom”. The hot spot may be Georgia. The book of Revelation predicts that when the US attacks Russia, it will use the “big sword” - nuclear weapons (6: 4). This will be an unexpected attack. It will not be the "end of the world." As Jesus predicted, it would still be “the beginning of tribal pain” (Matthew 24: 7, 8). This will be a mutual slaughter and the first round.

      3) After this war, a world government will be created (Daniel 11:31; Matthew 24:15; Revelation 13: 1, 2, 7).

      4) The future leader of Russia (he will rule on the model of Alexander the Great) will perfectly prepare the army for the next world war, will not spare the means to create new types of weapons that were not previously known (Daniel 11: 36-39). He will also build an army of military robots (Isaiah 5:27). He will triumph in World War IV. It will be a knockout (Daniel 11: 40-43; Revelation 13: 3).

      In the XXI century, Russia will be a leading world power. During the Fourth World War it will be like ancient Babylon and Assyria a military tool in the hands of the Almighty.

      The basis of such multiple messages is one-bear and everything will be. True, how much, why and who has silence.
      Vanga had already shouted that after Obama there would be no one, and the states for some reason exist, and they were clearly not going to disappear. And note, the trump was chosen and all the predictions for some reason suddenly disappeared from everywhere.
    2. Alf
      Alf 27 November 2017 20: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Ryszard Ewiak
      During the Fourth World War it will be like ancient Babylon and Assyria a military tool in the hands of the Almighty.

      Is it stones and clubs?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 November 2017 20: 14 New
      +3
      Everything is much simpler - fly a stone from space and destroy a part of the world.
      1. Alf
        Alf 27 November 2017 20: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Everything is much simpler - fly a stone from space and destroy a part of the world.

        And then which side will ascribe to himself this victory?
  14. Aaaba
    Aaaba 27 November 2017 20: 16 New
    0
    The policy of war communism also proved to be quite good during the Great Patriotic War ...
    1. SergF123
      SergF123 28 November 2017 08: 57 New
      +5
      And we will have a Patriotic war, or Zaoligarchichnaya ?! And you don’t really want to defend something to your homeland for the sake of maybekhivodov and yacht owners the size of a destroyer! "
      1. Alf
        Alf 28 November 2017 18: 59 New
        +4
        Quote: SergF123
        And we will have a Patriotic war, or Zaoligarchichnaya ?! And you don’t really want to defend something to your homeland for the sake of maybekhivodov and yacht owners the size of a destroyer! "

        And everything will be very simple. They will tell us, We have already robbed you, but you must go to war, otherwise the Americans will come and rob you again.
  15. agel26r
    agel26r 27 November 2017 20: 34 New
    +1
    The essence of this article is given to understand not everyone. The troubled times have come. The brightest, like a first-class fisherman, just threw a tackle, and what kind of fish "bites" it and will hook it. I think the gear is sharpened on a piranha, in extreme cases, on a pike. hi
    1. Alf
      Alf 27 November 2017 20: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: agel26r
      I think the gear is sharpened on a piranha, in extreme cases, on a pike.

      And they will plant us on the kukan, once again.
  16. Penzyac
    Penzyac 27 November 2017 20: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: Marquis Cat
    Marquis in the same place in the first sentence is written


    Excuse me, but how can he, for example, me, a US citizen, the owner of a pair of enterprises in Russia, force me to transfer these enterprises to "military rails"? I just send it "to hell" and all-I release what makes me profit. He wants something else, let him pay for it. well, or selects enterprises by nationalization, there is no other way under capitalism ....

    Firstly, it’s not you who work there, but “your” business here.
    Secondly, it is not necessary to nationalize, but TEMPORARY (for a period of a special period) removal of you from the management of "your" enterprise while retaining your right to receive dividends, if the "commissioner" appointed by the state decides to do them your favor. No one will bother you to sell your shares, but who, besides the state (at what price) will buy them in this situation?
    Thirdly, who told you that in pure war conditions "pure" capitalism is generally possible? You either put up with the temporary loss of income and support the state where your business is located, or surrender to your opponent, in any case you will get what you deserve (or "merit", as it happens), but only after the victory of either side. ..
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 29 November 2017 12: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: PENZYAC
      removal of you from the management of "your" enterprise with the preservation of your right to receive dividends, if the "commissioner" appointed by the state decides to benefit you.
      I’m just curious, but can this "commissioner" ensure effective management of this enterprise?
  17. fif21
    fif21 27 November 2017 21: 44 New
    0
    The fact that the leadership of the Russian Federation has an understanding that the goal of the United States is to draw the Russian Federation into the war even with the ukrovermaht, even with NATO, even with the igil, is already good! hi
  18. NordOst16
    NordOst16 27 November 2017 22: 29 New
    0
    Mmm ... I just don’t think it’s good. Technology transfer will go in one place. The country's image in the field of investment will be killed as in the 17th year. Mmm ... I do not know what else to say except as: Good luck comrades !!! But without me
    1. Alf
      Alf 28 November 2017 19: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: NordOst16
      in the field of investment,

      Investing is just a way to pump money out of the country. It is interesting how we raised the country after the 20s without any investment. Probably, our grandfathers did not know that without investment it is impossible to develop the economy and simply built it.
      1. NordOst16
        NordOst16 29 November 2017 14: 20 New
        0
        It is more logical to ask the question: At what price?
        And the presence of money alone will not ensure development. We need technology and a market. And after nationalization, the last two can cause serious problems. After all, the "civilian" market provides money for the development of the enterprise. And this, in turn, provides further development.
  19. Victor Detective South
    Victor Detective South 27 November 2017 22: 55 New
    +2
    It is also necessary to declare to all Western prostitutes that Russia has headed for their destruction, not by the method of war and aggression, but simply by stopping the game of giveaways and friendship, watching these states self-destruct in the economic, political and spiritual sense.
    1. SergF123
      SergF123 28 November 2017 08: 54 New
      +2
      The main thing is that we would not self-destruct ahead, like a nation in the economic, political and spiritual sense, but everything is going to that!
  20. Terenin
    Terenin 27 November 2017 23: 08 New
    +6
    You can argue in different ways, but over the past year and a half in the morning, at the entrance factories of the military-industrial complex, the workers have done well. And people's expression is not gloomy ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 28 November 2017 19: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Terenin
      but over the past year and a half in the morning, at the entrance factories of the military-industrial complex of workers, oh how it got better.

      Then we have in Samara all the checkpoints of the military-industrial complex plants are covered with papers - There is no reception.
  21. Victor Detective South
    Victor Detective South 27 November 2017 23: 16 New
    +2
    Quote: Marquis Cat
    And this is purely in the capitalist style - "the choice you made is not right, nothing personal is just a business" everything disappeared, just like in China - the freebie did not work. Throw the enterprise yourself, if you don’t fall on time, you just lose everything.
    China and the East are also in the subject, and the West will catch up.
    So, pack your suitcases and bring businessmen to your new homeland, and we can sort it out without color and cunningly back then.

    And this is purely in the capitalist style - "the choice you made is not right, nothing personal is just a business" everything disappeared, just like in China - the freebie did not work. Throw the enterprise yourself, if you don’t fall on time, you just lose everything.
    China and the East are also in the subject, and the West will catch up.
    So pack your suitcases and bring gentlemen businessmen to your new homeland, and then we’ll figure it out ourselves without color and cunning ... backside ....
  22. skazochnik
    skazochnik 27 November 2017 23: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: Tektor
    Will the export of capital be canceled along with raccoons?
    Yes. Even now, the export of capital loses any meaning whatsoever, because it will be necessary to justify their capital so that they are not confiscated.

    Pretty naive conclusion. Withdraw capital anywhere and the more the better for the main beneficiaries of such schemes. There are many places on our planet where you can legalize this money for a certain kickback.
  23. skazochnik
    skazochnik 27 November 2017 23: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Nikolai Grek
    Quote: Vadim237
    To pay normal pensions, it is necessary to create production and the most difficult thing is to find a sales market for it, to increase the state budget at least twice, but for now -

    do not forget that the regions together form a budget equal to the federal one ... this is firstly ... secondly, the budget revenues are shown in the diagram ... expenses are 3 shaking more !!!


    The scheme is just entitled as "federal budget expenditures", be careful.
    1. Nikolai Grek
      Nikolai Grek 28 November 2017 00: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: skazochnik
      The scheme is just entitled as "federal budget expenditures", be careful.


      The country's main financial document states that next year the state intends to spend about 16,241 trillion with revenues of 13,488 trillion rubles.

      show me the figure of 16,241 trillion !! fool fool fool laughing it is possible not with such accuracy, but so that 16 shakers appear! wink yes
      1. skazochnik
        skazochnik 29 November 2017 23: 15 New
        0
        I won’t argue about the numbers, I’m talking about what is written above the table, and it says about expenses.
        1. Nikolai Grek
          Nikolai Grek 30 November 2017 01: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: skazochnik
          I won’t argue about the numbers, I’m talking about what is written above the table, and it says about expenses.

          what what a lot of things are written on the fence too !!! wassat wassat laughing laughing laughing but in general I indicated that there is incorrect information !!! but you don’t understand why they started to correct me !!! negative negative laughing laughing laughing
  24. Wildfox
    Wildfox 28 November 2017 08: 29 New
    +4
    Smiled comments about nationalization and how everything will blossom under it. I’ll just say that it’s not enough to come up with the drawings and say how much is needed, there is such a thing as a chain of cooperation. If there were specialists in Russia who could write plans of this kind from their knees, then there would be no problems and would be the first economy in the world.
    Over the past 20 years, only lawyers, financiers, and economists have graduated. With the simple need to produce not 100 signal transmission buses to the same Su-35. and 400, for example, all these steps will end up in the lack of a pair of simple hard workers such tires winding. I'm not talking about engines.
    They want military rails to let them get involved in education, and so it's just a chatter.
    Something reminiscent of Gunpowder with its ultra-modern missiles and machine guns. Right now in Ukraine, turners are looking for 2-5 thousand euros for salaries and can’t find them, because they simply aren’t in nature. And Vasya simply can’t process hard alloys from the school. hi
  25. SergF123
    SergF123 28 November 2017 08: 53 New
    +2
    Uryayayaya ..... democracy has come ...... People begin to live longer and richer .... Uryayayaya .....
  26. Foreman49
    Foreman49 28 November 2017 08: 53 New
    +4
    The start of the election campaign. The threat of war is like a pen for Putin’s voter “in the name of the savior”!
  27. ASDik37
    ASDik37 28 November 2017 08: 53 New
    0
    Here such recommendations came here recently:
  28. Oleg Tolstoy
    Oleg Tolstoy 28 November 2017 09: 30 New
    0
    Quote: Marquis Cat
    "Military rails" .... if most of the enterprises are owned either by foreign owners, or by offshore beneficiaries or "trusts" ..... And what is he going to transfer ... when the whole economy is in the "wrong hands", it is not clear ... First we need nationalization, and only then ....


    First, catch "on the Canadian border" and put all the crooks, and then, purely for the purpose of social protection of employees of their enterprises and members of their families, nationalize .. If without this, how many rails do not transfer, they will all lead to Tsushima and "Surrender Port Arthur hi
  29. Altona
    Altona 28 November 2017 09: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: c-Petrov
    Marquis in the same place in the first sentence is written

    -----------------------------
    With "any form of ownership" is not so simple.
  30. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 28 November 2017 14: 14 New
    +1
    [quote = Dedkastary] what a pity that from our defense plant in the city, the foundation remained ... and several walls
    There is nothing to regret. Outdated technology enterprises in America simply exploded to make way for new ones. So they "blew up" with us, but did not foresee that for us it would be a powerful impetus to accelerate development, and not to fall!
    1. Alf
      Alf 28 November 2017 19: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: dmitry.kashkaryow
      There is nothing to regret. Outdated technology enterprises in America simply exploded to make way for new ones. So they "blew up" with us, but did not foresee that for us it would be a powerful impetus to accelerate development, and not to fall!

      In Samara, ALL bearing plants were closed. And the bearing is a strategic product. But new ones for some reason did not appear ...
    2. Greenwood
      Greenwood 29 November 2017 12: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: dmitry.kashkaryow
      but they did not foresee that for us it would be a powerful impetus to accelerate development, and not to fall!
      And where is this development? There are ruins of factories, shopping centers and handed over premises for offices have survived. Where is the development?
  31. SerZh1972
    SerZh1972 28 November 2017 17: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Dead Day
    what a pity that from our defense plant in the city, the foundation remained ... and several walls.

    We were lucky - we also completed the workshop.
  32. SerZh1972
    SerZh1972 28 November 2017 17: 12 New
    0
    Quote: WildFox
    Over the past 20 years, only lawyers, financiers, and economists have graduated. With the simple need to produce not 100 signal transmission buses to the same Su-35. and 400, for example, all these steps will end up in the lack of a pair of simple hard workers such tires winding. I'm not talking about engines.
    They want military rails to let them get involved in education, and so it's just a chatter.

    Yes and no. I know a lot of people who have gone into private business and at the same time who are not ready to apply their knowledge in bookkeeping. There are also a lot of familiar IT-employees who used to work on the defense industry and were not at all sitting on their pants. You just need to wisely scrape through the guts ...
    1. Alf
      Alf 28 November 2017 19: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: SerZh1972
      You just need to wisely scrape through the guts ...

      Before you scrape over the guts, you have to entice those who have left the carrot in the form of a salary. But with this in capitalist Russia, it’s somehow not very.
  33. a.sirin
    a.sirin 28 November 2017 17: 48 New
    +2
    How did we move abroad during the business ... oh, how during
    1. ileonidv
      ileonidv 28 November 2017 19: 34 New
      +2
      Where have you moved it? To the moon or mars.
      Remember the military doctrine of Russia.
      Especially the paragraph on the use of nuclear weapons.
      We climb on the rampage.
      They were told that no one would tolerate.
      A plane with a red star will fall, and white will fall.
      Then the troops will go and it doesn’t matter who will win.
      Either urgent reconciliation and peace without sanctions for eternal times, or it will fly not fluff, but something like the "poplars" themselves.
      After such a landing, nothing will be important.
      1. a.sirin
        a.sirin 29 November 2017 19: 39 New
        +2
        Over the hill, my friend, over the hill. As for the “troops will go,” these are tales for the cowardly. Who will give the order to the “heroes in dusty helmets” - those who, with any small degree of development of confrontational events, the price of property will fall almost to "0"?
        And one more thing: yes, the verbal threat of using nuclear weapons at the UN level will immediately throw out a country that articulates from among handshakes. Actually, they’ve already kicked out of many places already ... Yeah, nevermind, you have nothing to lose, apparently.
        And China immediately, immediately turns away, he also does not need hemorrhoids.
  34. ileonidv
    ileonidv 28 November 2017 19: 12 New
    +1
    It is interesting to read experiences about the salaries of teachers with 20 years of experience against the background of Kolya's speech with Urengoy.
    Even more interesting is the debate on how many years enterprises will survive after nationalization and without foreign components.
    Damn, in Europe, the message was understood correctly and quickly started talking about lifting sanctions.
    No sooner, very quickly there will be problems that will not be solved by anyone, and both here and there.
  35. xXx__SET__xXx
    xXx__SET__xXx 29 November 2017 00: 08 New
    0
    I’m sitting and reading the nonsense that you’re discussing here and to be honest, I’m scared like you damn smart people remember the story of how the war in Russia ended when the democrats began to steer, I advise you to refresh memory of the events of the beginning of the last century
    1. Alf
      Alf 29 November 2017 18: 54 New
      +1
      What kind of war are you talking about?
      Quote: xXx__SET__xXx
      I advise you to refresh your memory

      I advise you to refresh the memory of grammar.
      1. xXx__SET__xXx
        xXx__SET__xXx 1 December 2017 10: 32 New
        0
        about the imperialist, so will the graphomaniac
  36. SerZh1972
    SerZh1972 29 November 2017 09: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: Alf
    But with this in capitalist Russia, it’s somehow not very.

    But you don’t need to speak for all of Russia, okay? It is clear that now the trend is with nipples with silicone with all the consequences, but I personally know people who work for the defense industry and who receive very good money.
    1. Alf
      Alf 29 November 2017 18: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: SerZh1972
      Quote: Alf
      But with this in capitalist Russia, it’s somehow not very.

      But you don’t need to speak for all of Russia, okay? It is clear that now the trend is with nipples with silicone with all the consequences, but I personally know people who work for the defense industry and who receive very good money.

      Have you heard such a thing as "factory mafia"? I also know turners who receive 70-80 thousand each. True, for one such a couple dozens with a salary of 25 tons.
  37. George Teptin
    George Teptin 29 November 2017 17: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Marquis Cat
    I just send it "to hell" and all-I release what makes me profit.

    Such a messenger is simply extradited in the shortest possible time having seized the property as a “promise”.
  38. Natalia777
    Natalia777 29 November 2017 19: 07 New
    +2
    And it is right. To avoid war, you must always be ready to give the enemy a crushing rebuff.
  39. Linlin
    Linlin 29 November 2017 19: 13 New
    +2
    The Bolshevik government, led by Stalin, spent a whole decade building industrial industry, and the factories initially "were sharpened" for dual-use products when they were created. And I don’t believe in the ability of defective managers, headed by far from Stalin, something like that depict in the near future (we do not have decades). They only know how to cut.
  40. Irina Krivtsova
    Irina Krivtsova 30 November 2017 12: 30 New
    0
    Is it true that Groft bought a golf club with the money of Sberbank? Or is it a banter
  41. Leonid Dymov
    Leonid Dymov 30 November 2017 16: 06 New
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    The military industry of the USSR on the basis of a planned, mobilization economy was very effective. Now in Russia they are returning to this model. The US military business, which is stimulated by the printing press, is less efficient. But the planned economy destroyed the rest of industry and destroyed the USSR.
    1. Alf
      Alf 30 November 2017 19: 12 New
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      Quote: Leonid Dymov
      But the planned economy destroyed the rest of industry and destroyed the USSR.

      Not a planned economy has ruined industry, but its monopoly. Until the 55th year, the economy of the USSR was multistructured and no one was going to abandon the planned economy in it.
  42. Egor69
    Egor69 30 November 2017 19: 58 New
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    WHICH TRANSFER OF ECONOMY))))) ????. Old developments fall after the start. Money is all in the West. Who are you going to translate? Just wondering when all this bullshit will end?
    1. xXx__SET__xXx
      xXx__SET__xXx 1 December 2017 10: 36 New
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      Well, well, when the Chinese will conquer us so the hunt under developed socialism to live, and even pi tired of Europeanism
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  44. kamski
    kamski 1 December 2017 14: 06 New
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    that they learned how to yell ..., only with this the West is stupid to scare. Would be afraid if the power stopped stealing
  45. ololo
    ololo 3 December 2017 03: 52 New
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    Hmm, and the Kremlin’s handshakes are definitely capable of solving such issues?