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What are American officers doing in Ukraine?

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What are American officers doing in Ukraine?



Rumors of the first NATO instructors appeared in the spring of 2014, and the first 180 confirmed military experts appeared in June of the same year. In the future, their number is constantly growing. It is believed that in April 2015, about in Ukraine, is about 300 US troops, funded by the US allocation of military assistance to the Kiev regime.

In addition to the Americans, on the territory controlled by Kiev are constantly military and from other NATO countries - Poles, Danes, Canadians, British, Lithuanians et cetera. Their total number was not disclosed, but taking into account the overgrown military missions, various advisers and consultants in all security agencies (and a whole floor was allotted for the Americans, the total number of advisers reaches a thousand bayonets. And this is without taking into account those who, on their own initiative or through Western PMCs, are located in Ukraine in general and in the Donbas in particular.

It is logical to ask what all these hundreds and hundreds of local Aboriginal officers can teach. The military experience of such experienced armies as Poland, Lithuania, Canada and the like will be left behind the scenes. I admit that the British can share the experience of suppressing the uprisings in Belfast and the defeat of the Argentines in the battle for the Falklands. I do not know why this Poroshenko warriors, but theoretically possible. Remain the Yankees.

The experience of military operations in the US Army richest. They fight without interruption in various countries around the world. With the use of all types of armed forces and sometimes by no means thousands of "bayonets" - in Iraq and Afghanistan - up to one and a half hundred thousand fighters.

It would seem that there really is something to learn. But if you recall all the wars in which the United States took part, the picture is somewhat different. In the same Yugoslavia and Libya with might and main applied aviation. If we assume that such advice was really given to Kiev, then it’s just like advice - there’s nothing to teach the pilots of the Kiev regime - they have different equipment and everything from communication to combat use. But the advice seemed to give. At least, the punitive on June 2, 2014 worked as Nurses in the center of Lugansk, killing innocent civilians. What is not Libya or Yugoslavia?

However, the council clearly did not go for future use. Having lost several dozen units of airplanes and helicopters, which the local Air Force is already not rich in, the use of aviation in the Donbas was stopped by the autumn of 2014. So what about the Air Force forget.

It is known that in Ukraine there are sailors and the construction of a marine center is being prepared. Taking into account the current composition of the watercraft of the Kiev waterfowl, it is possible to teach only the existing 13 admirals - the peaceful distribution of 3 warships between them, half a dozen "conditionally fighting" and a dozen boats. In reality, not a single American sailor can say anything to his “colleagues” - unless he laughs in his face. So what about the Navy forget.

We will not argue with Poroshenko that "Ukraine 20 years of space power." Just agree that the issues of space, nuclear missile weapons and other high-tech industries of the Yankees will never be transferred to Kiev or taught to use them.

Remains of infantry in all its varieties. These in Ukraine were visited by many of the most different parts. The 27-I and 45-I US infantry brigades sent their officers, and there were paratroopers from the 173 brigade. But here too there are more questions than answers.



First, the Yankees are trained in NATO standards. Everything, from the means of communication to the structure of the command and the weapons used are different from what the APU has. No interaction of the branches of troops, without which not a single operation of the US Army has been going on for several generations, cannot teach the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and cannot fight without it. From the Second World War it is known that if American tankers run out of fuel, they are calling for help on the radio. But it never even occurs to them to pick up automatic rifles and, to drain the remaining fuel into several cars, to go on the attack.

If, nevertheless, it is assumed that in the Ukrainian Armed Forces they followed the advice of American instructors, then the 2014 boilers of the year and the rout in Debaltseve look like a perfectly logical ending. After all, for years, the Americans trained the Georgian army and tested its combat capability in August 2008, especially highlighting the only undoubted success - the ability to break away from the enemy in the race to the Turkish border. However, given that no one was chasing them, success was not complete.

As for the same narrow-profile training, there is nothing to talk about at all. The field intelligence officer needs to be trained on the ground and local realities. With the weapons and equipment that he has and that the enemy has. Today, in the fourth year of a sluggish positional war, it is the raid groups of the so-called DRG that are the main type of combat use. If not to count the raids in the "gray zone", periodically turning into clashes of the company scale.

But let's admit frankly, it is the real people who survived in battles and raids who can teach someone by their own example and experience in conducting operations against a given enemy and in a given area. Will not the Americans teach him the experience of intelligence in the Syrian desert !?

And here we come to the obvious - the Ukrainian Armed Forces are teaching every little thing - to press the buttons of tactical radio stations, to provide medical assistance in the field, to drive the Hamvi, finally. And for this just enough any Lithuanians with the Poles and other allies.

But the Americans, who are present at all levels and in all security agencies, are learning. They adopt the richest experience accumulated primarily by intelligence officers, look at the combat operations conducted by the Corps of the Republics, study the observed equipment, communications equipment, UAVs, features of the organization of combat interaction, communications, planning and support of operations. Of course, they work closely with agents in the Republics that supply a shaft of information that is of value to the Yankees.

Americans are simply using today the Ukrainian Armed Forces as a practically free expendable material for collecting information about the conduct of hostilities in Russia - after all, people and the locality are essentially Russians. And this is an invaluable experience and information about the enemy, whom the United States has not officially called its main enemy for many years.

Therefore, it is not surprising that Congress approves the allocation of hundreds or two million dollars for "military assistance." Not only does the lion’s share of these funds go to the US military, essentially returning to the US, so also for the tiny, essentially money, the US army and intelligence services receive huge amounts of information for which they would not only have been otherwise pay more - they would simply not get it for any money.

So we have to admit that while the United States receives a lot from the coup in Kiev and for ridiculous money.
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  1. Knizhnik
    Knizhnik 24 November 2017 14: 10 New
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    But the Americans, present at all levels and in all power structures, are learning themselves.

    From the beginning of the article I’m looking for this phrase hi
    1. siberalt
      siberalt 24 November 2017 14: 20 New
      +2
      Our millionaires go on a safari to Africa, but no one asks what they are doing there. lol
    2. svp67
      svp67 24 November 2017 15: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: Knizhnik
      From the beginning of the article I’m looking for this phrase
      Yes, it is one of the key here, as well as the conclusion:
      So you have to admit that while the United States receives a lot from the coup in Kiev for ridiculous money.
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        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 25 November 2017 22: 33 New
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          Quote: dsk
          Orthodox Channel "Tsargrad"

          Hmm, this is of course an objective resource. And Shaw there Gundyaev spoke, about spirituality? Watch for 100, a thousand bucks still?
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          2. dSK
            dSK 27 November 2017 08: 46 New
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            Quote: Normal ok
            objective resource

            Hello Peter! "The founder of the TV channel Tsargrad Konstantin Malofeev is declared by Ukraine in the interstate wanted list, Ukrainian media report. They transmit information about the response of the deputy head, head of the Main Investigation Department of the National Police Vitaly Nevgad to the deputy’s request to Sergei MP Leshchenko. Earlier, the Kiev junta repeatedly accused Konstantin Malofeev of "financing the militants," referring to the support of Donbass militias, whom the junta has been killing since 2014. Kiev does not consider the killing of its own population in southeastern Ukraine a civil war. (The first Russian TV channel Tsargrad 19:23., 25.11.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX.) Time will tell "who is who." hi
            1. dSK
              dSK 27 November 2017 08: 58 New
              +4
              "The channel does not close - and the point." Do not wait! " - Malofeev answered shortly and capaciously. A few days ago, the channel became the winner of the annual National Award in the field of satellite, cable and Internet television Golden Ray. The television company was awarded a special jury prize in the nomination "Custom Journalism ". According to statistics cited by Elena Sharoykina, the number of visits to the website of Tsargrad TV channel in October 2017 amounted to more than 15 million people. “We outstripped the Dozhd and Forbes TV channels by Liveinternet ratings. If we were the 200th a year ago, then we were the 42nd in October of this year already. We entered the 50 top-rated mass media,” the head summed up. To speak with a younger audience in a conservative language, to offer our point of view, our view of the world through the prism of Orthodoxy is not an easy task. We need to deal with it. And we can handle it. ", - Elena Sharoykina posed challenges for the future. (The first Russian TV channel "Tsargrad" 17:57., 23.11.2017/XNUMX/XNUMX.) hi
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 25 November 2017 21: 54 New
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        Quote: svp67
        Quote: Knizhnik
        From the beginning of the article I’m looking for this phrase
        Yes, it is one of the key here, as well as the conclusion:
        So you have to admit that while the United States receives a lot from the coup in Kiev for ridiculous money.

        According to the Wall Street Journal, Washington could replace dozens of defense aid programs for dozens of countries, including Ukraine, with loans. So Ukraine will also pay the Americans for this science.
    3. Awaz
      Awaz 27 November 2017 20: 17 New
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      duck about this, I already wrote somewhere back in the year 14 or 15. It is not in vain that Poros sometimes talks about the same thing ...
  2. arhPavel
    arhPavel 24 November 2017 14: 20 New
    +4
    Late we started about this openly, it was clear a long time ago ..
  3. solzh
    solzh 24 November 2017 14: 23 New
    +3
    And here we come to the obvious - the Ukrainian Armed Forces are teaching every little thing - to press the buttons of tactical radio stations, to provide medical assistance in the field, to drive the Hamvi, finally. And for this just enough any Lithuanians with the Poles and other allies.

    And ukrovermaht counted on more?
    But the Americans, who are present at all levels and in all security agencies, are learning. They adopt the richest experience accumulated primarily by intelligence officers, look at the combat operations conducted by the Corps of the Republics, study the observed equipment, communications equipment, UAVs, features of the organization of combat interaction, communications, planning and support of operations. Of course, they work closely with agents in the Republics that supply a shaft of information that is of value to the Yankees.

    Take over, do not take over the experience, and in the event of a military clash, the Russian army will surely have surprises prepared for NATO that they will not be very happy about.
    1. Normal ok
      Normal ok 25 November 2017 22: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: solzh
      Take over, do not take over the experience, and in the event of a military clash, the Russian army will surely have surprises prepared for NATO that they will not be very happy about.

      "We have such devices .... But, we will not tell you about them"
  4. Sergey Cojocari
    Sergey Cojocari 24 November 2017 16: 06 New
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    Weird question. Russia did not want to “feed” her sister, (one of the richest countries in Europe) she was raped by a strange sailor. So it is with all the other former "sisters." Notice, the Russian has left, the American has come. And he plays on self-esteem. Do you know how the "revolution of hydanny" translates? The revolution of dignity!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 24 November 2017 17: 58 New
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      Based on your words, you are not about sisters, but about prostitutes. The client came richer, so I’ll lie under him.
      1. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 24 November 2017 18: 39 New
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        No, I’m talking about an inefficient owner, for “feed” from the word “feed”, that is, manage. The owner got the head that the fuck was a cow, he had to be cared for - I could get along without milk. He sold, and was left not only without milk, but also without sour cream, butter, cheese. And in the example with Ukraine, Russia was left without engines for ships and helicopters, Yes, a lot without which. It’s clear that you will rest and build your own production. But this is money that could be used up for other purposes.
        1. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 24 November 2017 19: 09 New
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          left without engines to ships and helicopters

          MANAGED !!!!!!!!!! we’ll do our own .... and we will have it ..... and in ukrozhopiya there will be .... nothing will happen .... since no one else needed !!!! except Russia is not necessary !!! so go ahead !!!!! from industrial giants to the great agrarian powers .... and feed the completely untethered lords ????? yes, they are asked to sell .... do not give .... SELL ... engines to the helicopters just the execution of a blow job by the entire delegation did not require !!!! conclusion - it is necessary to provide all the possibilities for a long erotic journey ....
          but in general this whole story will now end in a hundred and second Pereyaslavl or whatever else it’s happy ... not before the last Svidomo dies ....
          1. Sergey Cojocari
            Sergey Cojocari 24 November 2017 19: 16 New
            +4
            I’m wondering how you fed the Ukrainian miner, steelmaker, teacher. peasant, railwayman. doctor. ???? What is the salary in the USSR did not accrue ENiR ??? I am a foreman, I worked in the European part of the USSR and in Yakutia. The rates and rates are the same, the difference is only in the "northern allowances". So stop it at last. to carry nonsense about the fact that you fed anyone.
            1. d ^ Amir
              d ^ Amir 24 November 2017 19: 18 New
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              and where do I have about miners ???? steelworkers and teachers ????? and where about fed ??? You either do not respond to my post or do not even know ....
              1. Sergey Cojocari
                Sergey Cojocari 24 November 2017 19: 23 New
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                Quote: d ^ Amir
                and where do I have about miners ???? steelworkers and teachers ????? and where about fed ??? You either do not respond to my post or do not even know ....
                .. and feed the completely untethered lords ?????
                1. d ^ Amir
                  d ^ Amir 24 November 2017 19: 27 New
                  +1
                  so please make a difference between people and figures completely overwhelmed by their own steepness ... but you don’t need to talk about professionals ... the Ukrainian team worked and still works .... specialists with Soviet training ....
            2. Bo Yari
              Bo Yari 26 November 2017 00: 30 New
              +1
              you're right! I agree with you
            3. saltickov.
              saltickov. 26 November 2017 06: 45 New
              +1
              And here you hooked me, I didn’t want to answer, but I’ll answer. At the installation I myself worked for fifteen years and was a crest, went to my homeland and brought the EniR with their Ukrainians' rates, so at the same production rates the salary is two times higher, yes I must say, I am from Siberia Kemerovo, and so they told him that this ENiR, common rates of time and prices, who are not in the know, he can put it to hell. AND DO NOT LIE. They always lived much better than Russians. That miners are builders. We were only comforted by a premium of twenty percent, which we did not feel. I have the honor.
              1. Sergey Cojocari
                Sergey Cojocari 27 November 2017 13: 43 New
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                What honor do you have? Lord Great-grandson of swineherd, great-great-grandson of a serf. Honor he has. I would have had the honor of not carrying the wildest nonsense about the "Khokhlyatsky ENiR". I just caught a liar on the word, “they lived much better than the Russians,” so then they were breaking into your land if they lived better than you? If they were paid more than yours? For the smell of taiga?
            4. bistrov.
              bistrov. 26 November 2017 08: 35 New
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              Quote: Sergey Cojokar
              what images did you feed the Ukrainian miner

              You received energy, forest, the best Russian specialists for free, and even with your department you were “fed” with almost free energy for a long time, or for a nominal price, though you had to cut your own forest, which you did by cutting down a drill oak and having sold it abroad, you are now cutting down the Carpathians, also selling round to Europe, completely not thinking what will happen to these Carpathians.
              And where did 12 million ethnic Russians come from in Ukraine? These are all the best people of Russia, almost all with higher education, or leading specialists who were sent to Ukrainian enterprises. Thus, the pumping of resources from Russia took place. And from the Union budget, in which there was a huge share of Russia, you received funding, much more than you contributed. After the Second World War, "Ukraine" was completely destroyed. Her recovery was again at the expense of Russia. And in terms of food, talk that supposedly "Ukraine" feeds Russia turned out to be a myth. Your department has shown that this is not so. And you ask who fed the Ukrainian miner?
              In return, you supplied us with unlucky rulers, such as Khrushchev, who brought the entire USSR to a pen. You can still recall many nuances, such as how your “Ukrainians” defended their homeland in 1941, almost two million of whom either surrendered to the Germans, or deserted and sat under the skirts of their hohlusheks, then plowed at the Germans, or went to the police, and the Russian people bleed near Moscow, Stalingrad, and even then liberated you your “Ukraine."
          2. Normal ok
            Normal ok 25 November 2017 22: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: d ^ Amir
            MANAGED !!!!!!!!!! we will do our ....

            Imagine how you jump with such cries. No different from maydaunov. And if you turn on your head, it will become clear that the nifig from the undelivered from Ukraine, for 4 year did not work.
        2. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 24 November 2017 19: 23 New
          +9
          We will build everything with the money that went to feed, explain it on the fingers popularly: we paid for the fraternity, we paid for the products, now we don’t pay for the fraternity, we produce the products ourselves, while creating jobs, we develop production.
        3. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 28 November 2017 08: 09 New
          0
          It’s strange. You are to blame for everything in Russia! Again! Familiar rhetoric.
        4. Krabik
          Krabik 28 November 2017 23: 22 New
          0
          Well, the soul of Gorbachev was so wide that he broke up the Warsaw Pact, and Comrade Yeltsin was also with a wide soul and dispersed the USSR.

          It’s lucky that we didn’t have our own Poroshenko, otherwise we would have dispersed Russia too;)
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 24 November 2017 16: 34 New
    +2
    provide medical care in the field,. Everything! After this phrase, the author was not interested in me. If he considers the life and health of a soldier on the battlefield a trifle, then the level of his knowledge in medicine is probably at the level of the Dr. House series.
  6. seacap
    seacap 24 November 2017 17: 45 New
    +9
    Not everything is so simple. Americans are an extremely high-tech, strong and pragmatic opponent, they just do nothing. They don’t go into other aspects of combat use, but nobody canceled cartography, reconnaissance and topographic positioning before reconnaissance. For the Tomogavka flight, we need accurate cartographic route maps, otherwise it is impossible to accurately program the change of flight route, as an option. Measurements of the throughput of roads and bridges (which, by the way, was done by the Abwehr before the war), the potential of enterprises and the properties of the terrain are all invaluable data. Do not forget that the airborne forces were prepared and studied on the basis of combat manuals and instructions of the SA, i.e. is essentially the Soviet Army, which has absorbed all the centuries-old experience of the struggle that the Americans never had in waging a large continental war, using only expeditionary forces. There is much more, so that they learn there for good reason and for nothing (this they know how well) and become even more dangerous. We must not forget that they lack all-human morality according to the method of conducting b / d, here they are very similar, even identical with the Wehrmacht. And most importantly, they need to cling (Syria example) first there are 1000 , then a brigade, then an army corps, in the Baltic States, it all started with 2 patrol fighters with short-term stays. In order not to give us a reason to send troops, they deployed their NATO army for a relatively long time, without tension, and this already a problem. That is, all this is not so funny and harmless. It's a shame that we have been ironing a pipe for 20 years and have thumped Natsik mani, November that’s not right, now again plump money in a kind of business, paid waging war, wiping snot from their whipped cheeks, they watch how the NATO bosses are already at home, saying that several hundred people are trifles, and then we will flap our wings and lament that we were deceived, how bad they are.
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  8. Handbrake
    Handbrake 25 November 2017 00: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
    I’m wondering how you fed the Ukrainian miner, steelmaker, teacher. peasant, railwayman. doctor. ???? What is the salary in the USSR did not accrue ENiR ??? I am a foreman, I worked in the European part of the USSR and in Yakutia. The rates and rates are the same, the difference is only in the "northern allowances". So stop it at last. to carry nonsense about the fact that you fed anyone.

    It seems to me alone, or are you really "pouring" stupid things?
  9. tolancop
    tolancop 25 November 2017 00: 15 New
    0
    Quote: Sergey Kozhokar
    I’m wondering how you fed the Ukrainian miner, steelmaker, teacher. peasant, railwayman. doctor. ???? What is the salary in the USSR did not accrue ENiR ??? I am a foreman, I worked in the European part of the USSR and in Yakutia. The rates and rates are the same, the difference is only in the "northern allowances". So stop it at last. to carry nonsense about the fact that you fed anyone.

    1. And from which (obscene) Russia should feed someone?
    2. Do not whistle about rates and rates. He did not work in construction, but he devoted many years to production. My plant (in the Moscow region) was a branch of the plant in Moscow and the rates differed by 10 percent. This is about factories located in the neighborhood. And now for the more distant ones. We have 2 CNC machine operators (1st, though at the machining center, 2nd at the machine easier). The 1st operator loaded 4 blanks and then for 6 hours guarded the emergency button (without fools, 6 hours without guarding the nefig - this is difficult). The 2nd operator also guarded the button, but between the task and the tool, the tool was also preparing. And it could work for a programmer technologist, not counting many other very useful skills (the plant was experienced - had to correspond). The salary of the 1st operator was slightly higher than 300 rubles (according to the operator). The salary of the 2nd ... hmm .. if he earned more than 230 rubles, the leadership was already scribbling at him - "earned a lot."
    Now attention !!!
    The 2nd operator worked at a plant near Moscow, and the 1st operator at a milling machine factory in the city of LVIV. And after that you will sing songs about the same prices to me?
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 25 November 2017 05: 58 New
      0
      Hard worker, CNC.
      The effectiveness of the CNC is programmed so that the tool wears out in half an hour. If the tool lasts longer, then the machine does not work efficiently. Hence the need for an operator who ensures that everything is not covered by a copper basin.
    2. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 25 November 2017 21: 45 New
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      I will sing you a song about a boss who, under any pretext, didn’t pay extra to the worker, in order to “save wages”. And nothing more! It's all about costing. On the same bolt, turners can write several estimates for which in one case the manufacture of a bolt will cost a "conditional" ruble, and a conditionally fifty dollars. I wrote thousands of costing and outfits, so there is experience.
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 25 November 2017 23: 00 New
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        I understand correctly that you are talking about official forgery? I’m sure that the ways to steal are not thousands, but billions! Is it worth boasting knowledge of thousands of them?
    3. alexxxz
      alexxxz 25 November 2017 22: 54 New
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      Yes, it’s already clear that the comrade “whistles”. Even in the Soviet Union there were not all uniform prices. Prices varied by geographical zones. And a bottle of kerosene in Yakutia was more expensive than in Moscow. For example, I’m even born in the 80's, but I definitely remember that there are different prices for different belts, and my mother-merchandiser clearly explained what these belts are.
      1. Sergey Cojocari
        Sergey Cojocari 27 November 2017 13: 55 New
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        Yeah! So it was in the union :) From Moscow to Vladik, a plane ticket cost 120, and from Vladik to Moscow 240 ?? Prices for essential goods, bread, salt, butter, meat, milk, tobacco, vodka, were the same in the whole union, but for the rest, the complexity of delivery (hence the belt). In order to bring goods to Pevek, or the Yakut Nyurba, you need to reload it a hundred times, keep it in the warehouse until the winter roads open, and drag it with wheels for thousands of kilometers.
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  10. gladcu2
    gladcu2 25 November 2017 01: 59 New
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    There is such a thing as a quiet Italian strike.

    This means that if you work according to safety regulations, the company will stop. Why is that? Yes, because there is initiative behind the instructions, and these same instructions are an excuse for not fulfilling the task.

    The transfer of this system to the Army cap countries and we got an explanation of inefficiency.

    Why capstrany? Because in countries there is an insurance business. A byproduct of banking money from the pockets of many into the hands of units.

    This is the reason for you, the martial arts of the NATO countries.
  11. Grandfather Eugene
    Grandfather Eugene 25 November 2017 21: 34 New
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    The same thing they did in Afghanistan in the 80s
  12. Normal ok
    Normal ok 25 November 2017 22: 23 New
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    and in the SBU the Americans are allocated a whole floor

    Well, how much can you post frank delirium ?! Any normal intelligence will not be so substituted. They just buy a complex of houses in Kiev.
    As for the same narrow-profile training, there is nothing to talk about at all

    Sniper training at their height. There is much to learn.
    А
    here Americans, present at all levels and in all power structures, study themselves

    And here, at 100% I agree.
  13. Antianglosax
    Antianglosax 27 November 2017 10: 04 New
    +1
    Amerovodki trample our land, desecrate monuments. If we had an adequate state, then on the territory of the outskirts of the Natava military would be shot several times a day by local guerrillas patriots. With this approach, not a single Western geek, for any money and benefits, would go to our outskirts.