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Memorial of legalized meanness as realities of today

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Sometimes, to get to the answers to simple questions, you have to dig deep. And so deep that in the end you dig up such a pile of fecal-excremental character that it is very disgusting.




Today is the case. We will look for a pearl in a huge pile of manure. Inspired by the performance, which many have broken the rose-colored glasses of world perception, which appeared after the Immortal Regiment, Krymnash and the like.

For a start, a small quote: "Today, we define the mission of society as civic activity aimed at understanding the historical experience of the twentieth century and rooting in the public consciousness and state practice the values ​​of human life, freedom, democracy and law, as well as the awakening of civic activity in society, aimed at these goals. "

And one more quote. From the same document.

"The general objectives of the company:
- restoration of justice in relation to victims of massive gross violations of human rights in the past and present;
- protection of fundamental human rights and freedoms and promotion of their observance;
- restoration and preservation historical the truth about the crimes of totalitarianism and its resistance;
- perpetuation of the memory of victims of state terror;
- actualization of historical experience in the public consciousness. "

Those who at least once came across "human rights activists", probably, even in the first quotation, they found out the organization in question. This is a well-known society "Memorial". One that performs its "noble" educational mission from January 1989. And it performs it in almost all regions of Russia and many other countries.

Remember the interest that Memorial publications were causing during the 90's? When in almost every city the facts of state terrorism and the extermination of innocent citizens by the NKVD executioners unexpectedly “opened up”? When in the eyes of the people, the image of communist killers was energetically shaped It is clear that for many citizens of our country it was really important to know the fate of their ancestor, who was arrested in 30. Justly or unfairly shot or arrested?

The closed nature of the archives of the security agencies makes it impossible to learn the details of the death and guilt of the missing relatives. On the other hand, participation in the descendants of the “fighter with the regime” for some gave real prospects for life. Therefore, a lot of memories, biographies, novels and narratives from the life of "innocently condemned and repressed" appeared. Go to any library today. The shelves today are full of books and pamphlets about repression and repression. This is also a "Memorial".

True, at some point the society began to think about the speeches of the leaders of society. Too many people repressed according to their statistics. This was especially noticeable after becoming acquainted with the census results of the time. Tens of millions of people shot in the pre-war years somehow did not fit into the historical truth about the great construction projects, about the great achievements. For the same "Belomorkanal" really needed convicts. But alive, not dead. This paused the fervor of the Memorial. Today you will not find in their publications "millions of the dead."

There was one more detail of human nature correctly calculated by society. The descendants of even the most obvious enemies of the USSR, who were shot according to their merits (whatever we may say today, but the sentences were passed in accordance with the existing legislation), wanted rehabilitation. Even in my own eyes. I am not a descendant of a traitor. I am not a descendant of the enemy of the Soviet regime. I am a descendant of a fighter for another Russia! My ancestor died for the Russia we received today (in 1991 year).

So imperceptibly, gradually, we were taught to think that all those who were repressed were innocent.

The Soviet regime, as it turned out in the 90s, had no enemies at all. No one opposed the new state. No one was preparing sabotage. Not spying. Did not burn the collective farm fields. Nobody killed party and Soviet workers. NKVD arrested people just like that. To justify your own existence. I do not know the percentage of those who believed in it, but this was and is the overwhelming majority.

Remember what happened next? Then there was a massive rehabilitation of the repressed. Exactly as the "memorialovtsy" told about the arrests on the lists, now rehabilitated on the same lists. Osprey But the repression continued after the war. What about the descendants of those who were repressed during these years? What are they not fighters for the new Russia?

Who made up the bulk of prisoners in 1945-50's? Those who served in the police, Vlasovites, traitors, those who collaborated with the Germans. Then, for example, incomprehensible films began to appear. Like "The last battle of Major Pugachev."

Have any readers been interested in this "true story"? I highly recommend it. A perfect example of a complete distortion of the real story of an attempt to escape the fascist henchmen from the camp. By the way, it is noteworthy that several hundred other prisoners did not run along with a group of killers.

I somehow had a chance to talk long enough with real Bandera. Not the boys, whom we see today in Ukraine, but those of the Great Patriotic War. In the 70-s of the last century there were quite a lot of them in our northern cities. In particular, I talked to Bandera in Vorkuta, in the village of Vorgashor. Old men and grandmothers who stayed in Vorkuta camps for 25 years and had no right to leave the city. They were exactly the same as in the war. They were murderers and executioners, who for some reason did not shoot the bloody NKVD. And they were rehabilitated afterwards.

Here at this time there was a substitution. At this time, we are morally "raped." When the Vlasovites, policemen, traitors began to be called repressed and to demand their rehabilitation, we said nothing. Most simply did not see this substitution. But it is precisely here that the roots of subsequent changes in the consciousness of the people are located.

Justifying traitors leads to the justification of betrayal in general! Here you have the origins of Vlasov and Mazepa, in the Ukrainian version. Memorial did not just expand the list of repressed people. "Memorial" changed ideology! Society should, however, happen in many ways, to accept the ideology of betrayal, as the norm.

It was then that the issue of the rehabilitation of Vlasov, Krasnov, Shkuro, Sultan-Girey was seriously discussed. In Russia, it did not pass. Neither in 1997, nor in 2008. And in Ukraine, this resulted in Bandera, Shukhevych and other heroes.

We have not rehabilitated outright executioners and traitors. Not the fact that attempts will not be repeated.

The fact is that the thrown tons of dirt and lies gave rise to the worst thing in the minds - indifference.

Having knocked out the usual soil from under their feet, the liberals did not simply split society. They gave rise to disbelief in our own history. Hence the division of the Great Patriotic War - whether as a people's war with the German fascist invaders, or as a clash of two totalitarian systems.

Everyone chose to the best of their depravity.

Who to believe now? A very frequently asked question in 90. Nowadays, it is no longer set by those who should have asked it. That is, the younger generations. They just do not care.

And here we smoothly proceed to the second part of the reflections.

Let us leave Memorial for the time being. Let's go back to school student Kolya. Where did this very young man have such a point of view on the war? Does he really consider a dead German prisoner a victim? You should agree that the information that our media have been issuing for several days, especially from the mouth of the “elite”, does not look too convincing. Emotions of some, references to the age of others, accusations of parents and teachers by third. Somehow too primitive. Too easy to believe.

Moreover, in other mass media the student is called a good and fairly literate student. A person who is interested in history, works in the archives of documents. It is clear that they will not send anyone and everyone to Germany from New Urengoy. Not Moscow. But then what?

And it is here that an interesting association of “Memorial” and the modern school appears. No, this is not a clear intervention in the education of schoolchildren. Although this was still recently. The "social activists" went to school with talks about the "atrocities of the communists." But did not stick. For modern schoolchildren, the Communists and the ancient Greeks are about equal. Once lived. Historical fact, no more. We pass in the school. In the literal and figurative sense of the word. We pass by.

There is no direct evidence of the connection between Memorial and those who have degenerated the modern school curriculum. Unfortunately. But the goal, which was originally set memorial, was achieved with interest. The misunderstanding of the past, caused by dozens of perturbations, has generated indifference and a complete rejection of the very essence of the story.

There is one more culprit in the appearance of the “schoolboy Kolya” globally. It is clear that this is the Ministry of Education of Russia. Have you ever watched a Russian history textbook? But look. And it is the section about the Great Patriotic War.

Do you know how many paragraphs of this textbook tell about the exploits of Soviet soldiers in that war, about the heroic work of the rear, about the partisans, about the liberation of Europe? How much is devoted to the lives of those 27 millions who died in that war? Seven paragraphs! Forty-six pages of text with pictures ... For the whole war!

And we want such Kolya to know the history of the war and be proud of the feats of their great-grandfathers? Do we want them to be proud of Russia? Text in 46 pages? Do you know where the same Minister of Education, Mr. Fursenko Andrei Alexandrovich, works today, thanks to which our children "study history in depth" and "become patriots of the Motherland"? Not a construction site or school teacher. No, he now advises the president ... You can't hide his mind. So he appointed his assistant to the President of the Russian Federation.

Helps Putin grow a consumer who can properly use the achievements and technologies developed by others.

By the way, why Belarusian students never make such a report somewhere in the Sejm or another foreign parliament? Because Belarusians, not in words, but in deed, honor their heroes and the history of their country.

The state, whose population is comparable to Moscow, devoted almost as much time in its textbooks to the war as Russia did. Forty-three pages of Belarusians heroism. Considering that the war on the territory of Belarus did not last long, ours quickly left the republic and rather quickly knocked the Germans back.

But the exploits of the partisans, the work of the Belarusians in the Soviet rear, say the same amount of time as in Russia about the entire war.

But Ukrainian schoolchildren will tell about the war in a completely different way. And it will look no less filthy. There all the heroism fit into the 7 pages. And this is in the country where Kozhedub, Kovpak, “Young Guard”, Rybalko, Sudoplatov were born ... Where the fascists killed so many people.

And the third fact.

To be honest, one gets the impression that knowledgeable, educated people are absolutely not needed for our political elite. No patriots needed. It is enough to form a society of "big bellies". Consumer society. As in the West.

What is needed for this? But only a little. What we have today.

The complete absence of ideology.

The Soviet Union, according to Mr. Fursenko and his ilk, was very bad. There was an ideology that enslaved man. The main task of modern elites was precisely to give freedom from everything: from honor, conscience, and purpose.

The main thing is to create a society of stupid consumers of material goods, a herd, stupid and submissive. Herd that is easy to manage. Which should be clearly understood that the tenth “iPhone” is cool, and Navalny is not. Enough for life.

And after all such "free future" is created. The hands of Mr. Fursenko including. Here is the complete quotation, the Fursenko program, which he often said at every Seliger: “... the lack of the Soviet education system was an attempt to form a creator-man, and now the task is to nurture a qualified consumer who is able to skillfully use the results of the creativity of others.”

Platinum dream of our elites. Consumer society. Creators are not needed. I translate: smart is not needed. We need Kolya, who, in the right place at the right time, will clearly read what they need for good, according to a piece of paper. For money.

And for the money you can create an "army of professionals." Then there is no need to explain your actions in the international arena. Enough standard "to improve the lives of the people." "Bread and circuses" for complete happiness of citizens!

The cornerstone was laid when the Union and Soviet ideology were destroyed and nothing was given in return.

Although not given.

They gave an understanding that "at the right" moments can and even should be betrayed. In the name of improving the lives of the people. Spit smarter in their own, lick avidly strangers. The main thing - for the common good.

Well, the lifestyle of the descendants in the spirit of Mazepa and Vlasov is a worthy future for a great country. But apparently, “at the top” everyone is happy with everything and we should not expect any changes. It is convenient, it suits everyone, both shepherds and flock.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 24 November 2017 06: 50 New
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    “At the right” moments can and should be betrayed. In the name of improving the lives of the people. Spit nicer in their own, lick excitedly strangers

    I fully support the authors in their rejection of what is happening today with the flow of knowledge at school and the "vivid" speeches of Russian "liberals." These really answer any question on duty - and you forgot the repression, and you look at the impoverished people, there must be a change of power, here in the west ... etc. In any way, to change the worldview of youth and instill a desire for profit and consumption is one of the main tasks of this layer of society.
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 24 November 2017 09: 33 New
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      Gennady, the whole problem is that there were no repressions. This concept was simply imposed on us. Yes, there were indeed purges in the army, and indeed all supporters of Trotsky were removed from power, but as for the common people, there were no repressions as such. I say this as the great-grandson of the repressed. My grandmother in the 37th or 38th took my father and no one knows what happened to him next. What was taken away is also not clear. So, not seeing the materials of the criminal case, not knowing the circumstances of this case itself, I can’t say for sure that my great-grandfather was undeservedly repressed. Maybe there was a reservation, or maybe it was for that, given the fact that he was from the Cossack class, which, to put it mildly, the Soviet regime did not like for the most part.
      After all, if you delve into the affairs of those years, it turns out that 99% of the cases are completely open for themselves under criminal articles, including the notorious article 58. And if you look at the number of prisoners, it will not exceed the number of prisoners now, when, according to the president, "we are not in the 37th year." If we compare the number of prisoners for the entire period under Stalin with what was in the USA during the same period, then in the USA the picture will look much more deplorable, but about this, there is no “memorial” in the USA. Right? Yes, and where did he get there. Only we must repent of our history. Even Nazi Germany is somehow not really being called to repentance. At least, the Poles who intended to receive additional reparations, Berlin sent to a specific address and, by the way, did the right thing. Poland, the hyena of Europe was, a hyena and will die. Guess to the next section.
      So all this fuss with the innocently killed, with the billionth of millions of victims of the bloody regime and dancing on the bones has only one task, to change the mind, which they successfully do. We will not be those who remember whose descendants they are. For whom the homeland and patriotism are not an empty phrase, then there will be no need to fight with Russia. Here they go, like this boy, Kolya and this girl, no one knows what their name is, they will give everything away. They will give Crimea, and Kaliningrad, and the Kuril Islands and memory, anything, just to be shook hands in the West, where they are so lured by a barrel of jam and a basket of cookies.
      1. Hoc vince
        Hoc vince 24 November 2017 12: 41 New
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        On social networks, they distribute a photo of an impromptu monument with a photo of "Kolya’s boy from Novy Urengoy."
        A photograph of a schoolboy glued to a marble structure. Below is the inscription:
        "This monument stands for all those who do not know the history of their homeland. Everyone can lay history books on the farewell square near the Monument to students of schools in the city of Tyumen who did not return from the war."
        Under photography, indeed, are several history books.
      2. efendia
        efendia 24 November 2017 12: 44 New
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        I also consider screaming about repression as delirium. Why not compare with the "enlightened" west? But simply against their background, this can not be called repression. My grandfather was also imprisoned for taking something on a fake invoice - it’s hard to say about the fault, but he was taken out and he released. The Queen was also planted not from the bulldozer but for embezzlement, the money allocated for one was spent on the other - is this also repression? I don’t know either, but I violated the laws, and suffered for this. Moreover, the untouchables were not at any level. What now? Millions and billions of crap - businessman and MP with integrity. And steal 100 rubles - they will reproach so that it doesn’t seem enough. Someone untouchable and the rest -. And they give us a shot about double standards in Ukraine in America and in the West, but what they have bred at home is no better. And many officials in general say with tv - there is corruption everywhere, so there is no need to fight it. There is something, but the sizes are different, and the situations, too. And the constantly growing corruption in a country with a constantly impoverished population is a threat to the security of this country. But you can’t fight - they will call this case repression.
        Something like this is seen
        1. Yanakolos
          Yanakolos 24 November 2017 14: 48 New
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          correctly you noticed that then there were no untouchables. And it’s better like then than now: those who steal millions and billions calmly sit under house arrest (according to the principle: the more stolen, the easier you get off) those who verbally spit and shit at the Russian people, calling it genetic scum and to Russia itself - they are quietly running for the presidency of this country and this people.
      3. SASHA OLD
        SASHA OLD 27 November 2017 22: 20 New
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        I fully support! I have a grandfather, a front-line soldier - an impeccable servant, a veteran of war and labor, a party member, in the war - foreman, gun commander, many military awards ...
        it so happened that after the war my grandmother, his wife, that is, was imprisoned for four years ...
        I myself am the 83rd year of birth, childhood and youth passed in the late 80s (the publicity of Gorbachev) - the beginning of the 90s (cheers America! down with the USSR!), I thought that my grandmother was also a victim of repression ... but somehow it didn’t work out: she was not angry with the “Soviet system”, but my grandfather somehow somehow in a conversation on this subject made me understand that they could not “put her in prison”, she supposedly knew what she was doing ...
        after my grandmother’s death, I found out: she worked as a seller in a store after the war, in the city of Chusovoy, Perm Territory, once she gave a bag of flour to a poor family for free (it was known to everyone that her husband drank there often), and it so happened that she for a long time it helped, there was some kind of surplus or something else ... as if the grandfather said that she didn’t carry it home, namely, that she felt sorry for the children of that family ... but somehow she refused, she was tired, probably, yes plus those "excesses" ended, that is, giving it again - there would have been some kind of flaw during the audit, in short, the woman whose grandmother helped helped her husband, the drunken husband wrote a statement "where necessary" (this is because their family was helped ), they gave her five years, served almost four, in my opinion in the settlement, I don’t know for sure, I know what it was under Stalin
        so, she said several times that it was exclusively her fault, even in the 90s her opinion did not change ...
        do not do good - you will not get evil
        the grandfather to that guy repeatedly beat his face after, he himself said that he then went around him by another street
        but neither our grandfather nor grandmother were offended by our Soviet system
        grandmother was buried in Chusovoy, grandfather died in Surgut later ...
        no one considered himself a "victim of repression" - everyone understood everything
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm 28 November 2017 16: 53 New
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      About the theses of liberalists about the impoverished people and "pregnant pensioners" you to the point. But the authorities are irremovable and have long been entirely "patriots" and ....? The daughter of patriotapeskov - you yourself know where. "Patriotivanoff" put a memorial plaque to Mannerheim in St. Petersburg. While the "patriots" on the Victory Day drape the Mausoleum (we will leave the identity and judgments of those lying there in brackets for now, not the topic) - "Koli" in the Bundestag will not only appear. Everything is easy with them, with the “patriots” we can take a walk with the photo in the immortal regiment, and we can tear Nikolasha there (hi to “patriotupoklonskaya”). And after all, you can slide into the Bundestag and light up the innocent. After all, history for this generation is an abstract at best.
  2. Strashila
    Strashila 24 November 2017 06: 58 New
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    The article’s announcement said, “Some time ago, these people successfully spat on Generalissimo Stalin and Colonel Brezhnev” ... you have to be more precise ... Brezhnev, Major General, Hero of the Soviet Union, about which the newspaper Pravda wrote in 1943 ... about Small earth.
    1. domokl
      domokl 24 November 2017 07: 12 New
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      Alas, you are wrong. The fact is that the title of Hero of the USSR Brezhnev was first awarded in 1966 year. And so, he is four times a hero. And his title when translating titles to a new system was forklift. Depending on the proportion.
      Brezhnev was really distinguished by his personal courage. On the Little Land, even a feat was accomplished. But he was a colonel. General, he received in 1943 year.
      1. alexxxz
        alexxxz 24 November 2017 12: 37 New
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        You don’t understand, some kind of mess, it was a general, it wasn’t ... it’s some kind of fork. What nonsense !? Military rank is an absolute concept! You cannot be a general, as a colonel. Impossible! Even if the position was, as you say, forked, then holding the title to the maximum fork is an honor. So they appreciated something, for something they awarded. Believe me, at that time accidents were unlikely. Then either the chest in the crosses, or the head in the bushes. War!
        1. domokl
          domokl 25 November 2017 06: 20 New
          +5
          There is no porridge. It is just your ignorance. Brezhnev was a divisional commissar. That after the introduction of new ranks, depending on the position, made the person either a colonel or a major general. Brezhnev was not lucky. He became a colonel.
          And about the feat ... Political workers of his rank according to the order, had no right to go on the attack. But the famous anecdotal "boobs-masiski" at Brezhnev from the Little Land. It was there when disembarking from a boat (though not in the landing) was hit by a bombing and got a heavy concussion.
          In general, in his war, in my opinion, 4 or 5 combat orders. I do not remember the number of medals ...
      2. staviator
        staviator 24 November 2017 15: 37 New
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        Brezhnev was really distinguished by personal courage. On Small Earth, he even completed a feat.

        This is what kind of a feat he accomplished, tell me. I read “Malaya Zemlya” so there he made Zhukov wait for him while he was engaged in “affairs.” And for that he was given the order of “Victory” which he was not supposed to do, what such a situation on the front scale Colonel Brezhnev.?
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 24 November 2017 17: 28 New
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          The very presence in the trenches, on a spot of land shot through and punched through, is already a feat. There is no where to sit back. The fact that subsequently all sorts of slogans hung on the already poorly aware of the reality, old, sick person military awards, which, of course, only the marshals of the Victory relied on, was not his fault but misfortune. (Something, they probably hung up earlier, but he did not refuse) This is one of the factors that played a role in the elimination of the USSR by the Cossack mishandled. They made a clown from the emperor.
          We lost the war, in 93m we lost. 125 millimeters of tank guns destroyed the Great Russian Empire. And at all times the victors destroyed in the vanquished, first of all, the memory of the great past. As soon as a heap of cut, green paper was brought into our territory, Russia ended. We are an occupied territory.
          1. domokl
            domokl 25 November 2017 06: 25 New
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            Quote: Essex62
            Being in a trench, on a sweep and piercing through a patch of land, is a feat. Sit back where it was not.

            By the way, I think this is another great example of our study of history. Small land next year 75 years. Once they brought up the feat of the paratroopers, and then they themselves ... forgot. Judging by the comments.
            Type, not a strategic operation. What to remember about it ... And it was not the memorial and similar organizations that did it, It was we ...
            1. Prosha
              Prosha 27 November 2017 19: 00 New
              +1
              In addition to your words, I don’t remember what anniversary of the Victory on YouTube there was a video, how at the Novorossiysk Memorial, not quite adequate girls performed a dance in the common people (well ... a coward) - everyone noticed that it’s so worthless, I don’t argue ... but no one paid attention to the deplorable state of the memorial itself on the eve of the holy holiday (.... this is the trouble!
  3. Nonna
    Nonna 24 November 2017 07: 07 New
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    Let's face it - Putin’s liberalism is good for external and internal enemies and trouble for the people .. Such a neglect of one’s own history and one’s own people is no longer tolerated. In the next election, Putin will receive the least number of votes due to flirting with liberal traitors within the country, antics of the anti-people oligarchs and their children, stratification of the society into rich and poor, and most importantly - the introduction of anti-people elements into power at all levels ... With his cry by the wall, an "exalted" reaction to the indignation by the citizens of the country of the treacherous speech of the Gazprom fosterling in the Bundestag - "Stop patriotism! The little boy is not to blame." And that means another day, well, two and the boy and the theme will be forgotten. He has already lost 20-25% of the electorate. Separately, I want to say about TV media - this is where the dirty anti-Russian garbage, especially the First. Every day they vparivat Ukraine, drag on channels all Russophobic scum. Look at Sheinin - in all its glory showed his face Posner's last. Delyagin shuts his mouth, behaves like a clown, Tuka - his sculpted friend, twitches, he will not talk about the "boy". For a long time he mimicked, but no matter how you hide the rotten gut, it will still come out. He will follow in the footsteps of his predecessor, the Duma. One hope for bloggers and honest journalists is that they will not be silent and will not be silent. In that confirmation.
    1. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 24 November 2017 10: 09 New
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      Quote: Nonna
      Let's face it - Putin’s liberalism is good for external and internal enemies and trouble for the people ..

      Well said! I can only state that the supporters of GDP in my patriotic circle of friends have decreased significantly over the last couple of months. A lot of these farcical elections will be ignored, let the suction pumps themselves tick off for whom they need - for Putin or Sobchak, people already do not care for this clowning.
      1. passing
        passing 24 November 2017 11: 54 New
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        Quote: Antianglosaks
        Quote: Nonna
        Let's face it - Putin’s liberalism is good for external and internal enemies and trouble for the people ..

        Well said! I can only state that the supporters of GDP in my patriotic circle of friends have decreased significantly over the last couple of months. A lot of these farcical elections will be ignored, let the suction pumps themselves tick off for whom they need - for Putin or Sobchak, people already do not care for this clowning.
        well, they’ll put it, don’t be so confused! I think that not going to the polls is not right. Use your newsletter, do not hesitate
        1. Arseny_2
          Arseny_2 24 November 2017 14: 00 New
          +9
          Must go to the polls! But let the vegetables and terpils sit at home, because your shirt is closer to the body
        2. goblin xnumx
          goblin xnumx 24 November 2017 22: 36 New
          +1
          your ticket - if it is marked in the wrong square where they expect it from you - at least it will be invalidated by ticking another square or simply put in a pile of tickets for the desired flight :) you can walk or not walk - your right :)
          1. japs
            japs 26 November 2017 15: 27 New
            +6
            I do not agree with you, if there are observers in the polling stations who are watching, but not looking to the side, then they can’t fake anything. Observers know the final figures, adding up which together will be the result of all the elections.
            Conclusion: Walking to vote is necessary. It is even better to be the observer himself from the party, public association or from the meeting of residents of any level. It all depends on ourselves, do not be lazy or rely on "uncle."
      2. Krabik
        Krabik 24 November 2017 13: 54 New
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        Yes, it’s better to go and vote for Navalny, here is our future leader.

        But most of all I was struck by his speech after he was doused with brilliant green:

        "After the attempt on me, I am disfigured, but I assure you my determination is stronger and greater than ever.
        After winning the election in order to ensure security and greater stability, our federation will be reorganized by us into the first world empire for the sake of safety and for the good of society! "
        1. Ulan
          Ulan 25 November 2017 22: 50 New
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          Well guys, you are already already.
        2. Greenwood
          Greenwood 26 November 2017 08: 38 New
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          Quote: Krabik
          "our federation will be reorganized by us into the first world empire for the sake of safety and for the good of society!"

          So win !!! drinks
      3. serge siberian
        serge siberian 24 November 2017 20: 02 New
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        hi I'm sorry, but voting is necessary. Otherwise it will remain: The people ... it’s the same, but the cattle has enough bread and a sight!
      4. Ragoz
        Ragoz 25 November 2017 00: 09 New
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        Anti-anglosax:
        With the modern Kremlin-Duma elite, Russia does not need to have external enemies - they are always at hand.
    2. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ 24 November 2017 11: 22 New
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      Quote: Nonna
      In the next election, Putin will receive the least number of votes due to flirting with liberal traitors within the country, tricks of anti-people oligarchs and their children, stratification of society into rich and poor, and most importantly - the introduction of anti-people elements into power at all levels ...

      In vain you hope, a consistently high result will be fellow. If you don’t get something, then “they’ll finish a pair of toe” and everything will be “in the openwork”. drinks
    3. Alone
      Alone 24 November 2017 11: 55 New
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      Quote: Nonna
      In the next election, Putin will receive the least number of votes due to flirting with liberal traitors within the country, tricks of anti-people oligarchs and their children, stratification of society into rich and poor, and most importantly - the introduction of anti-people elements into power at all levels ..

      And don’t hope. The elections to the Duma showed everything. Politically active people in relation to the total mass are one. Most of them have already shown themselves, as they will in March. The most important thing is that they don’t leave “elections” .For whom to vote, for Zhirinovsky, for Zyuganov, for Yavlinsky, or dog ... It’s better not to go there (to the polls).
      1. serge siberian
        serge siberian 24 November 2017 20: 05 New
        +3
        Well, let Uncle Zyu be than those who, so far, have raised about an encroachment on the post of Supreme.
    4. b-volh
      b-volh 24 November 2017 14: 08 New
      +2
      The USSR NONA did not sign the Geneva Convention on the Status of Prisoners of War in 1929, but in 1931 the Presidium of the CEC adopted a resolution, Kuybyshev's signature was never canceled. The German whom the boy spoke of in the Bundestag was a member of a special privileged group of German prisoners of war, he was from workers and never He didn’t exploit, and therefore deserved special treatment, being held captive according to the Decree of the CEC. Read the primary sources they can easily be found through the network. !!!
    5. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 November 2017 14: 37 New
      +1
      Quote: Nonna
      Putin's liberalism is good for external and internal enemies and trouble for the people.

      Putin is happiness for the country, albeit with flaws.
      Quote: Nonna
      Such a neglect of one’s own history and one’s own people is no longer tolerated.

      Putin knows, respects and loves Russian history very well. He gives competent, balanced, clever comments and statements on all the historical stages of the country's development.
    6. Yanakolos
      Yanakolos 24 November 2017 15: 00 New
      +3
      Do you have a candidate who can replace Putin?
      Which of the current applicants :)) Maybe Zhirinovsky, Yavlinsky? Bulk? Oh yes, are you up against everyone, that is, for Ksenia Sobchak? :) You know, if you work as a troll, it’s your choice, people like you created the same “Memorial”, people like you everywhere and everywhere shit in the direction of Russia and its president, shouting loudest about its shortcomings, just as they shouted about their time innocently repressed. And honest bloggers and journalists are those for whom, like you, excuse me, verbal mess in my thoughts?
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 25 November 2017 22: 58 New
        +7
        Already passed, ah-ah, the only lamp, oh how can we be without it?
        And if he dies tomorrow, for example, from the hang glider it crashes that Russia will end, is everything gone?
        Enough already, turn on your head, don’t you see that the very same Zhirinovsky, Zyuganov, Yavlinsky have been going to the polls with Putin for many years ... this configuration is SPECIALLY built and no one will compete with Putin for the elections.
        And the Memorial has nothing to do with it. You can’t be so naive.
        And I think that you need to vote against Putin, he will win anyway, but he might at least think that the country is not doing as well as his entourage tries to suck him in.
        Otherwise, nothing will change. A man needs a shake, he is very bronzed.
        1. japs
          japs 26 November 2017 15: 39 New
          +6
          For him, there will be a shake-up if the elections go in two rounds. Putin- (conditionally Zyuganov).
          Yes, in this case, liberal nods will shake from fear. It will be possible with the naked eye to observe the agony of those in power and their henchmen in the media.
        2. Prosha
          Prosha 27 November 2017 19: 06 New
          0
          here as in the old joke about the old and new collective farm chairman: one has everything, and the second will have to work out everything on a new one ....
    7. Greenwood
      Greenwood 26 November 2017 08: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Nonna
      Putin will get the least votes due to flirting with liberal traitors inside the country
      Yes not that you. It will again be something like this:


      And then we will be shown on TV the tears of grateful Putin to dear Russians:


      PS But you still need to go to the polls.
  4. Handbrake
    Handbrake 24 November 2017 07: 12 New
    +8
    For good, the author burns, like most of the "inventors" of Very True articles. As always, everything is in words and on the rationale “yes you yourself know everything, but I’m from that Russia, well, in short, I’m against and I want you to be against it”. Personally, I myself believe that in order to write an article, an essay needs to be well, at least for whatever reason. I agree that there are characters "only for babosiks', but most work for, not for. He needs to spit everything.
    1. My address
      My address 24 November 2017 07: 51 New
      25
      And now we will analyze your comment, without touching on the mistakes that are usual for a liberal intellectual:
      - What are these "inventors" of articles? It is not laid in the peep that to invent, is to invent a new one, but is it known about the sabotage of Memorial (“M”)? The article logically linked "M" and Kohl's pupil, but does not pull on the invention.
      - Concerning wrecking "M". Are Anglossack grants a secret? And is it a secret that these grants to public organizations are not given for beautiful eyes? Anyway, both the article and the whole VO forum are designed for some intellect and knowledge.
      - Yes, not all in "M" work for "babosiki." Enough there and just stupefied.
      ------------------------------
      ----
      So I would add to the article that the liberoid scoundrels never (!!!) consider situations in space and time at the same time, do not compare it with similar ones, for it will immediately be seen a lie.
      Well, for fans of "M":
      Burzhuiny citizens! Urrakov, which are few, we still have a lot! I will sell the Russian base of suckers! Your Mavrodi.
      1. Skeptic
        Skeptic 24 November 2017 10: 28 New
        +1
        The article touched on the topic of rehabilitated. I want to draw your attention to the fact that only in relation to Bandera and traitors. The author holds back the numbers of how many writers, poets, artists, engineers, designers have been repressed. Those who were one of the main inventors of the jet mortar were shot, the same Korolev S.P. went on a firing squad. Sergey Pavlovich was lucky not to spend much time in the mines; he was sent to the prison where Tupolev was sitting. Rehabilitated in 1955 at his request to the prosecutor.
        Just from the words of the author, it turns out that the enemies remained prosperous, and the people who devoted themselves to the cause disappeared and there was no one to apply for rehabilitation for them.
        1. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 24 November 2017 10: 58 New
          31
          The author holds back the numbers of how many writers, poets, artists, engineers, designers have been repressed.
          And how many? And then, what poets and artists? Those who genitals do not know what else to nail? Or such writers as Solzhenitsin, who consciously chose to sit out in the Gulag instead of the foremost?
          As for the designers and engineers, among them were those who either consciously or thoughtlessly spent the people's money, which was already lacking, for useless inventions. But when they were identified as a sharashka (this, by the way, is not at all the same thing as a camp), then the efficiency of their work has grown significantly. In addition, isolating leading minds was simply necessary, as German spies had a dime a dozen. Someone could be outbid, someone could be physically eliminated.
          So you are lying like Trotsky, not respected ...
          1. Skeptic
            Skeptic 24 November 2017 13: 23 New
            +2
            Quote: Varyag_0711
            In addition, isolating leading minds was simply necessary, as German spies had a dime a dozen. Someone could be outbid, someone could be physically eliminated.

            Only German? According to the sentences of those years there were still Argentine, Guadeloupe, Jamaican, etc. , it seems that the investigators appointed a tenant for fun. Another thing is important, the fact of your peremptory support for the repressions, according to your version, was not innocent. I don’t know how to convince you? In your opinion, what percentage of people (not criminals) sat on false charges?
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 24 November 2017 13: 32 New
              24
              SkepticCynic Today, 13:23 ↑
              Only German? According to the sentences of those years there were still Argentine, Guadeloupe, Jamaican, etc.
              Yeah, you still say that the Israeli were ... laughing Do not carry nonsense.
              Another thing is important, the fact of your peremptory support for the repressions, according to your version, was not innocent.
              Not guilty were both then and now. The human factor has not been canceled. It will probably be a discovery for you that with the appointment of Beria to Yezhov's place, hundreds of thousands of criminal cases were reviewed and the first rehabilitation was under him. Hundreds of thousands were released, but those who didn’t send them there legally or sat down in their place, or stood against the wall.
              I don’t know how to convince you?
              With your "deep" knowledge, you cannot convince anyone, and even more so. negative
              In your opinion, what percentage of people (not criminals) sat on false charges?
              Only now amateurs and provocateurs like you can judge this now, not having the materials of criminal cases, not knowing the full picture.
          2. Old military officer
            Old military officer 25 November 2017 16: 44 New
            +4
            I support this comment. Without knowledge of a specific criminal case, one cannot judge the guilt or innocence of a person. You can ascend to the level of a saint, or you can trample into the mud. Which is shown to us by a very recent story. XX Congress and early rehabilitation of Bandera and all forest brothers. Forgot? And do you even see the results before arguing, Mr. SkepticCynic?
        2. 34 region
          34 region 24 November 2017 11: 52 New
          14
          Skeptic Cynic Today, 10:28. *** The author holds back the numbers of how many writers, poets, artists, engineers, designers were repressed. *** And what were the decisions of Stalin or the government on the arrests of writers, poets, engineers, designers? It was written just like that: Arrest all writers, poets, engineers, designers! Signature: Stalin! When they talk about the arrest of all prominent people, they talk about it as an indication or order from above. And they could be arrested only by order from above? And at the city and district level, how was this done? By what criteria, if there were no instructions from above about the arrest of specific individuals? Of course there were abuses. There were set-ups and scoring (how not to reduce if there is such an opportunity!). But arrests and executions were not the goal of the party and the country. The meaning of mass executions if you need workers who are not enough? Who offered executions and voted for them? Stalin was against it. But those present voted FOR, hoping to legally get rid of their competitors through the setups. Somewhere they succeeded. Yezhov and Yagoda were specially delivered by Stalin? If specifically, in whose interests did they work? Was he tasked to reduce the country's population or remove key figures? Did Stalin give them such an instruction? If the ruler gives instructions to reduce the country's population and remove smart people, is it a smart ruler or not? Suppose Stalin gave such an instruction. But then the country is left without people, personnel, economics and this leads to the suicide of the ruler. Is Stalin like a suicide? If Stalin set the task to reduce the population, then the question. For whom were cities, factories, schools, hospitals built ...? Khrushchev exposed everything? But evil tongues claim that Khrushchev, through the judicial system and his people, mercilessly exterminated the people of competitors. That is, he went to power along the corpses. Did Stalin give instructions to Khrushchev to destroy competitors to move up? *** the same Korolev S.P. went on a firing squad. *** And aren't these the deputies of Korolyov and his entourage who surrendered him? Didn’t they then end up in prison next to him, and then work under his leadership. Maybe after this Korolev could not stand the informers who sometimes tried to insist on his colleagues?
          1. Skeptic
            Skeptic 24 November 2017 13: 38 New
            +4
            Quote: 34 region
            the same Korolev S.P. went on a firing squad. *** And aren't these the deputies of Korolyov and his entourage who surrendered him? Didn’t they then end up in prison next to him, and then work under his leadership. Maybe after this Korolev could not stand the informers who sometimes tried to insist on his colleagues?

            About Glushko (the creator of rocket engines) read that he was taken on a denunciation written by a less successful colleague, after which the designer
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 24 November 2017 20: 58 New
      +1
      Yes, an elementary justification - an agreement with the administration of the site to write a certain number of articles in the allotted time period! And did you think that all the regular authors "burn the hearts of people" with a verb from an active life position or a huge love of Russian literature?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 25 November 2017 16: 17 New
        +1
        I will tell you more: in my amateurish opinion, there is an agreement between the administration and some trolls whose task is to discredit the opponent!
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  5. kvs207
    kvs207 24 November 2017 07: 22 New
    17
    "The platinum dream of our elites. Consumer society. Creators are not needed. I translate: smart ones are not needed. We need Kolya, who in the right place at the right time will read clearly what is needed for the good. For the sake of money."
    Shake your hand.
    If you do not stop this process, then after 10 years we will pass the point of no return.
    1. passing
      passing 24 November 2017 11: 58 New
      +8
      Quote: kvs207
      "The platinum dream of our elites. Consumer society. Creators are not needed. I translate: smart ones are not needed. We need Kolya, who in the right place at the right time will read clearly what is needed for the good. For the sake of money."
      Shake your hand.
      If you do not stop this process, then after 10 years we will pass the point of no return.

      To stop this process, you need to change the system, and those in power will not go for it, not for that they built capitalism
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 24 November 2017 17: 53 New
        +6
        History shows that such a change is possible only through terrible bloodshed and destruction. And for our Motherland, a serious revolutionary situation is also needed (which was the WWII). Having suffered and not angered our people. We have forgiven even the Germans who destroyed 27 million of our people. Yesterday, the iron Kedmi let out a tear on Solovyov’s program, recalling the murdered little Jews. So they will never forgive the Germans and the SS or Wehrmacht will not share. All Germans are guilty, period.
    2. serge siberian
      serge siberian 24 November 2017 20: 14 New
      +4
      While I don’t know how I will think at 60 years old, but I think and then I can say for grandfathers and fathers: Love the Motherland and learn history, reading books published before capitalism.
  6. Deck
    Deck 24 November 2017 07: 36 New
    +7
    From the materials of the Nuremberg Tribunal, taken from the MO site

    It is important to emphasize that the purpose of the international process in Nuremberg was to condemn the Nazi leaders - the main ideological inspirers and leaders of unjustifiably cruel acts and bloody atrocities, and not the entire German people. In this regard, the representative of Great Britain at the court said in his closing speech: “I repeat again that we are not trying to blame the people of Germany. Our goal is to protect him and give him the opportunity to rehabilitate himself and win the respect and friendship of the whole world. But how can this be done if we leave in his midst unpunished and condemned these elements of Nazism, which are mainly responsible for tyranny and crimes and which, as the tribunal can believe, cannot be turned on the path of freedom and justice? ” As for the military leaders, in the opinion of some who simply carried out their military duty, unquestioningly following the orders of the political leadership of Germany, it must be emphasized that the tribunal condemned not just “disciplined warriors”, but people who considered “war a form of existence” and who never learned "lessons from the experience of defeat in one of them"


    Soviet power emphasized: the German people are a victim of fascism. Many appeals in this forum are not only extremist, but also fall under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, article 354.1, which criminalizes the public denial of the facts established by the verdict of the International Military Tribunal for the trial and punishment of the main axis war criminals in Europe, public approval of the crimes established by the sentence.
    Only specific individuals and organizations (SS, SD, Gestapo) were punished. not the whole German people. And in Treptow Park there is a monument to the soldier-liberator!
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 24 November 2017 09: 46 New
      +6
      Quote: Deck
      Soviet power emphasized: the German people are a victim of fascism.

      1. wax
        wax 24 November 2017 17: 31 New
        0
        http://grachev62.narod.ru/stalin/t15/t15_19.htm
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 24 November 2017 08: 02 New
    20
    The Soviet government, as it turned out in the 90s, had no enemies at all. No one opposed the new state. No one was preparing a sabotage. Did not spy. He did not burn collective farm fields. No one killed the party and Soviet workers. The NKVD arrested people just like that.
    ... Not only this, as it turned out, the whole "democratic" world, since the founding of the Soviet state, extended a helping hand, tried to set the right path, and the "bloody Bolsheviks" viciously rejected this hand ... And hatched insidious plans to capture the whole world .. . laughing And this is also a Memorial ...
    Creators are not needed.
    ..And why does the capitalist need a creator? He will think .. God forbid, he will overestimate the creation and existence of the Soviet state in a positive way, draw conclusions not those who are now being imposed on "worship" ... The capitalist needs a "cattle" who was thinking about how to devour and a glamorous yoke with rhinestones ...
    1. Deck
      Deck 24 November 2017 08: 19 New
      +5
      ..More than that, as it turned out, the whole "democratic" world, since the founding of the Soviet state, extended a helping hand, tried to set the right path, and the "bloody Bolsheviks" viciously rejected this hand ..


      In 1922, Makism Gorky thanked the initiator of the American charity event Herbert Hoover (future US President): “Your help will go down in history as a unique gigantic achievement worthy of the greatest glory that will long remain in the memory of millions of Russians ... whom you saved from death."

      Korney Chukovsky: “Do you know, my dear Rockefeller, what these three ARA parcels meant to me? Do you understand how grateful I am to Columbus for the fact that one day he discovered America? Thank you, old sailor. Thank you, old tramp. These three premises mean more to me than just salvation from death. They gave me the opportunity to return to literary work, and now I feel like a writer again. ”

      For most of our citizens, the assistance of the American people within the framework of the American Relief Administration (ARA) program of Soviet Russia in 1921-1922 remains an unknown fact.
      1. domokl
        domokl 24 November 2017 08: 30 New
        18
        Quote: Deck
        For the majority of our citizens, an unknown fact remains the assistance of the American people under the program

        This reminds me of the argument of Ukrainians in disputes in Kedmi about the extermination of Jews in Ukraine during the war. But there was a woman who saved a Jewish girl ...
        The conversation is not about the people, but about the politics of states. At the level of human relations, there have always been and will be different points of view, different attitudes towards people. At the front, the Nazis killed and regretted in captivity ...
        1. Deck
          Deck 24 November 2017 08: 58 New
          +2
          And who is Kedmi?
          1. domokl
            domokl 24 November 2017 09: 14 New
            +9
            An Israeli general, the former head of one of the Israeli secret services, and now a participant in some Russian talk shows, a political expert.
            1. Deck
              Deck 24 November 2017 13: 08 New
              +7
              And here the Zionists made their way! wink
        2. Yanakolos
          Yanakolos 24 November 2017 15: 15 New
          +6
          That's right. Add more: without the help of the Russian Tsar Alexander II to President Lincoln, there would be no States at all.
          1. serge siberian
            serge siberian 24 November 2017 20: 21 New
            +2
            And this help cost 2 million gold rubles to the Imperial Treasury.
      2. avt
        avt 24 November 2017 10: 09 New
        +7
        Quote: Deck
        Makism Gorky thanked in 1922 the initiator of the American charity event Herbert Hoover (future President of the United States)

        That sho-o-o-o-o !? That’s straight MAXIM Alekseevich, the son of a proletarian writer "Gorky / Peshkov, and thanked? bully Remember once and for all -Alexey Peshkov signed with the accepted pseudonym -M. GORKIY.
        1. Deck
          Deck 25 November 2017 08: 22 New
          +1
          Remember and hack on your nose that along with the name Maxim Gorky (real name is Alexei Maksimovich Peshkov), the use of the real name of the writer in combination with the pseudonym Alexei Maximovich Gorky is also well-established. then you need to correct in education. Read books for a change
    2. efendia
      efendia 24 November 2017 12: 58 New
      +2
      If not for the union with its social conquests for the bulk of the population, then in the West it would be more difficult for workers and trade unions to assert their rights, if at all possible. And so was the fear of a repeat of the revolution at first, and then the example of the social sphere in the USSR.
  8. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 24 November 2017 08: 11 New
    +4
    Once again I agree with the article from and to. Roman, are you this? (sorry for some malice)
  9. solzh
    solzh 24 November 2017 09: 25 New
    10
    Not all of our young generation is like the boy Kolya.
    "Memorial" ... I thought it was already covered, but no. The infection lives. Here is a real memorial, it is located in Ulyanovsk
    1. Prosha
      Prosha 27 November 2017 19: 52 New
      0
      Oh, do not admire (It would be better if they covered it, and it was even better to repair it and the area on which it stands. For it is no better to relate to the memory and history of yours! This construction has long required major repairs and investment of solid capital and it would be nice to open a branch or a separate historical and archival research center of the history of the USSR on its basis.
      1. solzh
        solzh 27 November 2017 22: 43 New
        +1
        Where do you get such pessimists from? request The necessary finances are, are budgeted. Repair will begin in 2018. We must be glad that, as you put it, “this building” is not closed, not demolished, that it continues to delight visitors with its exhibitions. And we will not stop admiring the Lenin Memorial, the Ulyanovsk people, and after the repair, come and look at our handsome man, what he will become yes . respectfully hi
        1. Prosha
          Prosha 28 November 2017 18: 27 New
          0
          You won’t believe it, I am happy, but it’s a shame when poverty and devastation are around! And remember what a beautiful place it was! And how it looks now, so many memories ...
  10. savage1976
    savage1976 24 November 2017 09: 45 New
    39
    Andrey Medvedev (VGTRK):

    "If I had to speak in the Bundestag as a boy, Kolya, I probably said these words:
    - Dear deputies. Today I saw a miracle. And this miracle is called Germany. I went to you and looked at the beautiful streets of Berlin, at people, at wonderful monuments of architecture, and now I stand here and look at you. And I understand that all this is a miracle. That you were all born into the world and live in Germany. Why do I think so?
    Because, given what your soldiers did here, in the occupied territories, the Red Army fighters had every moral right to destroy the entire German people. Leaving a burnt field in place of Germany, ruins, and only paragraphs of textbooks would remind us that there was once such a country.
    You probably do not remember all the details of the occupation, but this is not necessary. I just remind you of what the soldiers of the Wehrmacht and the SS did with Soviet children. They were shot. Often in front of parents. Or vice versa, at first they shot at dad with mom, and then at the children. Your soldiers raped the children. Children were burned alive. Sent to concentration camps. Where they took blood to make serum for your soldiers. Children were starved. Your shepherds ate the children to death. Children were used as targets. Children were brutally tortured just for fun.
    Or here are two examples for you. Wehrmacht officer prevented the baby from sleeping, he took his leg and broke his head on the corner of the stove. Your pilots at the Lychkovo station bombed a train on which they tried to take the children to the rear, and then your aces chased the frightened kids, shooting them in a bare field. Two thousand children were killed.
    Only for what you did with the children, I repeat, the Red Army could completely destroy Germany with its inhabitants. She had full moral right. But didn’t. Do I regret it? Of course not. I admire the steel will of my ancestors, who found some incredible strength in themselves, so as not to become the same cattle as the soldiers of the Wehrmacht. On the buckles of German soldiers it was written "God is with us." But they were the offspring of hell and brought hell to our land. The soldiers of the Red Army were Komsomol and Communists, but the Soviet people turned out to be much more Christians than the inhabitants of enlightened religious Europe. And they did not take revenge. They could understand that hell cannot be defeated by hell.
    You should not apologize to us, because personally you are not to blame for anything. You cannot be responsible for your grandfathers and great-grandfathers. And then, only the Lord forgives. But I will tell you honestly - for me the Germans are forever a stranger, an alien people. This is not because you are personally bad. This in me screams the pain of children burnt by the Wehrmacht. And you have to accept that at least my generation - for whom the memory of the war is the rewards of his grandfather, his scars, his front-line friends - will perceive you like that. What will happen next, I do not know. Perhaps after us come mankurts who forget everything. And we have done a lot for this, we have done a lot of things for ourselves, but I hope that not everything is lost for Russia.
    Of course we need to cooperate. Russian and Germans. We need to solve problems together. Fight ISIS and build gas pipelines. But you have to accept one fact: we will never repent for our Great this war. And even more so for the Victory. And even more so in front of you. In any case, I repeat, my generation.
    Because then we saved not only ourselves. We have saved you from ourselves. And I don’t even know which is more important. "

    Ready to subscribe to every word.
    1. Varyag_0711
      Varyag_0711 24 November 2017 10: 44 New
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      This speech must be carved in stone or on a memorial plaque in large gold letters! And put these boards in front of every Russian school. So that the children read these words every single day. It is unfortunate that this is not the 37th year, because the teachers of this "boy" Kolya, as well as the sponsors of this event, should be shot. Not even to exile to the camp, namely to shoot, like traitors to the motherland.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 November 2017 10: 55 New
      +7
      Quote: savage1976
      Ready to subscribe to every word.

      Well said, I also subscribe.
      And the memory of future descendants about the terrible war depends, first of all, ON US, as we educate our children and grandchildren, the memory will be preserved.
      For my children and grandchildren, I don’t worry, they know, remember, honor (grandchildren are still small, but brought up as it should).
    3. Kudiyar
      Kudiyar 24 November 2017 14: 52 New
      +3
      Because then we saved not only ourselves. We have saved you from ourselves. And I don’t even know which is more important. "I completely agree, rightly said.
    4. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 25 November 2017 16: 22 New
      +2
      Andrei Medvedev, my deepest bow! Capacitively and with dignity!
    5. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 28 November 2017 19: 03 New
      0
      And do you think that Kohl doesn’t know this ?? Yes, he knows everything perfectly, quite possibly a lot more than you wrote! It’s just that he had a different goal - to come forward and so the Germans lick the anus, so as to get straight to the tonsils. To be noticed, appreciated, cookies and bonuses thrown ... Actually he reached his goal request . No need to complicate it, everything is clear and transparent - the h_hol gained a master and publicly began to lick his anus, well, such a mentality, mom and dad, a gymnasium, his entourage in Nov. Urengoy is the quintessence of the Ukrainian Bandera flood. Well, what do you want from them ?? Well, the wolf does not eat grass! and you are all about textbooks ...
  11. tasha
    tasha 24 November 2017 09: 48 New
    +8
    The righteous anger of the authors is understandable.

    The attitude to the victims of repression is just like Gleb Zheglov’s: “There is no punishment without guilt ...”
  12. WAN
    WAN 24 November 2017 09: 57 New
    15
    There is such an information resource “Feat of the People”. I found both of my grandfathers there. I remember them alive, though still small then in the 70s. So here. He showed his son, let him be proud. Their orders and medals are kept with me, I will pass them on to their son. Both colonels ended the war, one in the infantry, the other in anti-aircraft artillery.
    I mean that in the family you need to inform the children of what kind of war it was.
  13. Boris55
    Boris55 24 November 2017 10: 04 New
    0
    Denying repression is stupid. They were and were victims. The victims were both “legal” and “not legal”. At the moment, children and great-grandchildren of legally repressed are screaming loudest about repression. Those who are not legally repressed are not remembered, but this is not right.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 24 November 2017 10: 17 New
      +8
      If you remember the times of perestroika, then absolutely all print media, including Peasant Woman, Worker, Radio, all-all-all printed every day in all sections (science, art and culture) are only continuous stories of relatives repressed one is worse than the other. Already just a bust turned out, overflowed over the edge.
      Now there is a wonderful program, called "Wait for me", and so there is darkness moving overseas in those troubled times. How are they taken into account - repressed, shot or respectfully forwarded?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 24 November 2017 11: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: Siberian
        How are they taken into account - repressed, shot or respectfully forwarded?

        They are counted as escaping from a sick mother.
  14. steelmaker
    steelmaker 24 November 2017 10: 05 New
    10
    What surprises me is different, but Putin has nothing to do with it? PEOPLE were blinded and deaf, they remember Stalin, and when they shot people from tanks in 1993, it was as if it should be so. But surely those who participated in this execution are alive? All around you can hear only "joyful screeching" which Putin is good.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 24 November 2017 10: 11 New
      +7
      Right now, a lot of participants and witnesses of these events speak and write about this in great detail.
      Only Putin does not appear there. What is the connection?
  15. nickname7
    nickname7 24 November 2017 10: 19 New
    11
    This "memorial" is an international organization and is engaged in counting victims and corpses, for some reason only in the Russian Federation, why only in the Russian Federation ?, where there were no more reporters? To the criminal world, there is such a way when the victim is “loaded” to break psychologically, and then the “broken” victim cannot resist and the victim is robbed. Through this "memorial," the West is trying to "load" and break down the Russian Federation psychologically and mentally. "Memorial" is a collision and aggression of the West. Even the declared goal does not stand up to criticism, supposedly if you count the corpses and repent, then there will be no more corpses, but this is nonsense, if a revolution happens, then there will be corpses again. The most important thing is not to consider the corpses the most important thing, not to allow revolutions., And we ourselves know this, without international organizations. The Russian Federation should do the same, open the Guillotine society, start counting how many Frenchmen chopped off their heads in their revolution, the “Pray for slavery” society to count how many British slave traders transported slaves to plantations, how many died in the holds everything needs to be carefully calculated , all crimes of the west. It is impossible for the world to forget that the Americans repressed their communists, as well as citizens of Japanese descent, put them into camps without trial.
  16. Cynic
    Cynic 24 November 2017 10: 54 New
    10
    Western VALUES, in a word ...
  17. andrew xnumx
    andrew xnumx 24 November 2017 11: 05 New
    10
    Very correct article. History (like Russian literature) should become the main subject at school, and, by the way, compulsory when passing the exam. Since it is this subject that educates real citizens. Teachers complain that the number of hours in history has been drastically reduced. This is a crime against the country. We can get entire generations of young people who are ready for betrayal and capable of it. Already, a huge number of students dream of going abroad. But an even greater number of children, who have never even been to any country, firmly believe that everything abroad is better. It is necessary not only to increase the number of hours on history, not only urgently create new textbooks, but also introduce individual lessons in patriotic education. It’s also useful to remember that there were times when only the historian was the principal of the school. It is equally important to expel from everywhere where only all these pro-Western liberals can be, these people are very much around.
  18. Mihail55
    Mihail55 24 November 2017 11: 09 New
    11
    And again they ran into the same thing! Recall the most recent severe - to create a single history textbook! So what? 100 years have passed since the great turning point (whether it happened well or not, a question) - we still don’t know our story !!! And the kids began to educate about the dead Germans ... and let their unknowns rot even? Shame on us all! We are responsible for our offspring!
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  20. uskrabut
    uskrabut 24 November 2017 11: 18 New
    +8
    "But apparently," upstairs "everyone is happy and we should not expect any changes"

    Words are right at the root! And whoever would be comfortable with being in power and with huge amounts of money, and besides, you will not be in any trouble like being expelled from the ruling circle. And the people are just an ordinary herd, who will reckon with him! We will feed him and shove Navalny at the expense of the budget to him, to this people — like we have democracy, what a ghoul we put up with!
  21. bratchanin3
    bratchanin3 24 November 2017 11: 33 New
    +6
    Well, a good article, correct, but what to do? Will we whisper and quietly condemn the liberal executive branch ?? Indeed, Russia cannot be broken by external forces; this can only be done from within. Let's wait until the Fursen break everything? Little Kolya has already appeared!
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 24 November 2017 11: 50 New
      +2
      What to do? To convey this problem to those for whom we vote in the elections.
      1. efendia
        efendia 24 November 2017 13: 03 New
        +4
        They are deafblind grabbers in the majority. They are violet on the country, everyone is dragging over a hill, and they themselves go there in case of what.
  22. sokoljlga
    sokoljlga 24 November 2017 11: 39 New
    +9
    Sabotage against the Soviet government did not stop. For example, in the 30s, agents of Great Britain, France, the USA, and Germany actively introduced specialists and provocateurs and spies into the ranks, and the emphasis was placed on introducing their own into the security organs and the party. there was a discredit of real patriots, denunciations of honest citizens, a discredit of the authorities. That is, it is necessary to work actively with archives, invoices. Go into concrete matters. Not for that traitors and agents of influence created the Memorial, Memory, other structures created to destroy the country. the leaders of those years are demonized
  23. Sandov
    Sandov 24 November 2017 11: 48 New
    +5
    Alekseeva and others like her perverted practicing denyuzhku.
  24. Olgovich
    Olgovich 24 November 2017 11: 50 New
    +4
    (no matter what we say today, but sentences are pronounced in accordance with existing legislation)

    The state has long given a LEGAL assessment of "compliance" with the law of "sentences" in its Laws:

    Law of the Russian Federation "On the rehabilitation of victims of political repression"(as amended on June 26, December 22, 1992, September 3, 1993, November 4, 1995)

    Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR "On Additional Measures to Restore Justice in Relation to Victims of Repressions in the Periods of 30-40s and Early 50s" of January 16, 1989 where it is clearly stated:

    The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decides:

    1. Condemn Extrajudicial mass repressions of the period of Stalinism, recognize the NKVD — UNKVD Troika, the OGPU colleges and the “special meetings” of the NKVD — MGB — the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, which were in force in the 30s and 40s and early 50s, as ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL and cancel their extrajudicial decisions that have not been canceled by the time of publication of this Decree by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Count all citizenswho were repressed by decisions of these bodies, including those subsequently convicted of escaping from places of illegal special settlements, rehabilitated.

    There is a reservation about traitors, traitors to the Second World War, etc.: - are not subject to rehabilitation.

    Laws are still valid.
    As for the “sentences”: 4,5 million dispossessed had no sentences of the judicial authorities! But the property was taken away, 2,5 million were exiled (about 40% children), 600 thousand of them died. What article of the Criminal Code of the USSR? And the children, with what?
    1. 34 region
      34 region 24 November 2017 12: 09 New
      +5
      Olgovich Today, 11:50. Actions ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL! Well let's look at today. Is everything constitutional today? Well, if you take all the cases involving people with money or related to power. Will we review all cases with their participation in the direction of tightening or even remove the charges and pay compensation for the inconvenience? In the case of a drunk boy, is the lady completely poor? Lover say she has criminal authority. Did the lady suffer from repression? We will justify black realtors? And bankers with loans? Or will they not talk about and remember about children? Zakharchenko dispossessed? Is he a victim too?
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 November 2017 14: 17 New
        0
        Quote: 34 region
        Well let's look at today. Is everything constitutional today?

        If unconstitutionally, go to court, to Sobchak-she promised to help!
  25. nikvic46
    nikvic46 24 November 2017 12: 07 New
    +6
    It is impossible to consider the authorities of the Soviet Union with white or black eyesight. Still V.I. Lenin wrote, the Soviet Government can
    to destroy party swagger. There were legal and non-legal repressions. There were mistakes, there were great victories. The present
    political scientists forgot how many years our country recovered after such a difficult war, and already in 1952, the UN announced
    Education in the USSR is the best in the world. The country was freed from banditry. The man began to live much safer. Cinema
    it ended late, and the main streets were full of people. Now after ten in the evening the streets are dying. Now
    they are doing renovation. But after all, in these Khrushchev’s people were quickly resettled from barracks, cellars, without paying a dime for it. It was precisely in Soviet times that a man was the owner of his home, and if he was evicted, then only in the best conditions - for free.
  26. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 24 November 2017 12: 31 New
    +5
    Do not dig - and you will not dig!
    Excursions into History become the feeding trough for political scientists, politicians, and the military.
    Well, and "shadow on the wattle fence."
    Anyone can spit in a schoolboy Kolya.
    And, collect enough saliva that spit in the direction of Comrade Scout. Sechin, fundamentally ignoring the subpoena, is weak?
  27. Brushing
    Brushing 24 November 2017 12: 39 New
    +3
    Into the account of "The Last Battle of Major Pugachev" - Ento Real hi

    It may not be the same as in the movie, but it was ....

    - My grandfather in Kolyma, after the war on a Komsomol ticket, worked as a paramedic for several years, so my grandmother told this story back in the 70s ... and my grandfather caught one fugitive when he went hunting ... I don’t know the political, or the criminal ....

    But in general, yes, how much I communicate with people, I have never heard of mass repressions either in my family, friends, or acquaintances who are not repressed ...

    You won’t see a new movie about the war - the bloody NKVD men who don’t give life to the main characters ... well, too much to her ... it probably was .... but not on such a scale as liberals and Jews describe us. ..)))
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 November 2017 14: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Still running
      But in general, yes, how much I communicate with people, I have never heard of mass repressions either in my family, friends, or acquaintances who are not repressed ...

      doesn’t come to mind that many of the repressed simply did not have descendants left? Someone to remember and tell.
      The dispossessed mortality exceeded the birth rate FORTY FORTY!
  28. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 24 November 2017 12: 57 New
    +6
    The article is not in the eyebrow, but in the pupil. True, in addition to “past real” and Fursenki, I would also mention a couple of organizations and a dozen or two louder names that diligently pour shit into the heads of our people and into our history. But we already know them all.
  29. Brushing
    Brushing 24 November 2017 12: 59 New
    +7
    Quote: steel maker
    What surprises me is different, but Putin has nothing to do with it? PEOPLE were blinded and deaf, they remember Stalin, and when they shot people from tanks in 1993, it was as if it should be so. But surely those who participated in this execution are alive? All around you can hear only "joyful screeching" which Putin is good.


    Well noticed .... hi

    Around only: "Stalin ... repression ... Stalin ... repression ..."

    - And then over the past 25 years, people have died from the acts of "young and not young reformers" more than from repression - silence .... so they feel like centers and monuments and pamphlets in the media ....

    Somehow, in the 90s, a Jewish pre-Jewish man told me that Russia was not controlled by Russians and he listed the entire top elite in the Kremlin and made a diagnosis for everyone ... lol

    It was violet before politics then, I just listened and forgot, and began to grow up and delve into the essence of being, so I remembered this dohtura with its diagnosis ...)))
  30. Lyuba1965_01
    Lyuba1965_01 24 November 2017 13: 18 New
    +1
    [quote = SkepticCynic] "The article deals with the topic of the rehabilitated. I want to draw your attention to the fact that only with respect to Bandera and traitors. The author is silent about the numbers of how many writers, poets, artists, engineers, designers were repressed."

    I can’t say anything about engineers, scientists, etc. But a lot can be said about writers, poets and artists. Historically, it was the creative people who allowed themselves more in statements than ordinary ones. the works were read by many people. Stalin set the task of educating young people who could devote all their energies to selfless service to the country and our people, to defend the country without any "if", "Or maybe .." It is only those who are confident that they are right can give their lives for what sure that they believe .. But the intelligentsia that they planted, did it always give such a conviction that our country is the best, that our Soviet system is the most correct? Intelligentsia tend to doubt, consider other ways, exaggerate or downplay. The only thing the creative intelligentsia is sure of is that their views and ways of thinking are the most correct. It is dangerous that the more talented the writer, the more harm he can do if he is against the state. in order to avoid a scatter of opinions among young people, these writers were torn away from their readers. A good example of what ministers of the pen can do is the 90s in Russia. Their role in the collapse of our country is no less than the efforts of the States to destroy it. that perhaps Stalin was right in his own way when he so carefully watched their work. (IMHO).
  31. ibnvladimir
    ibnvladimir 24 November 2017 13: 55 New
    +4
    An idea in my inflamed brain is very similar to the dill "peacemaker" - the "enemy of the people." The meaning is this: a site or the type that will host various suspicious personalities, like Fursenko. Then, after listing all of his “merits”, a thorough discussion by the public (visitors) takes place before society. Then you can take a collective opinion and lay it out in an open letter to the higher authorities of this character with the REQUIREMENT for lustration (removal from office, deprivation of mandate, etc.). Well, or to the prosecutor's office, if there are significant arguments. The authorities should have feedback from the people. With enough people to discuss and pass a popular verdict, ignoring this will be difficult.
  32. Yanakolos
    Yanakolos 24 November 2017 14: 41 New
    0
    So many clever thoughts, and all of a sudden: "... I must clearly understand that the tenth iPhone is cool, but Navalny is not." THIS ARE YOU ABOUT WHAT, COMRADY COMPANIES?
    This fly in the ointment the whole article, like a barrel of honey.,. Is it cool or not cool to have 10 iPhones - this is one thing, but with what fright and with what patriotic impulse should Navalny be considered cool? "... It’s not clear, Spielberg ...
  33. Brushing
    Brushing 24 November 2017 15: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    Quote: Still running
    But in general, yes, how much I communicate with people, I have never heard of mass repressions either in my family, friends, or acquaintances who are not repressed ...

    doesn’t come to mind that many of the repressed simply did not have descendants left? Someone to remember and tell.
    The dispossessed mortality exceeded the birth rate FORTY FORTY!


    I can’t argue about dispossessed people ... it was ....

    Then why were there many descendants from repressed Jews or the same Bandera / forest brothers ???
    1. Deck
      Deck 24 November 2017 15: 43 New
      +2
      Totally Jewish Forest Brothers ?! ABOUT!
  34. SHAH
    SHAH 24 November 2017 15: 12 New
    +4
    The conspiracy against Russia, Russians and Russians has been working, the country has been trying to destroy the country for more than 100 years, and today the grandchildren of Trotsky-Bronstein and K * believe that they are almost there, maybe ...
  35. Anti-fascist
    Anti-fascist 24 November 2017 17: 22 New
    +1
    How many, however, there are frost pavliks.
  36. Antor
    Antor 24 November 2017 20: 22 New
    +2
    Why should the young Kolya be surprised if such an official is completely legal with the connivance of all officials, teachers, parents, etc., etc., and not without success, judging by the results of anti-Russian views, an anti-patriotic, pro-Western line of thoughts and aspirations is brought up. The defenders of poor Kolenka are those who have not already noted themselves, and Peskov and Fursenko, not to mention those who have Russophobia-bread, richly greased with dollars from abroad. Who needs to prove that today the government is so careful about such pronounced pro-Western organizations as the Memorial is simply disorienting our youth, and with fanfare the Yeltsin Palace was built ... is that! ??? To whom and whose memory we erected it, after all, in fact, the one who trampled upon all the foundations of the constitution, having made a coup d'etat, dispersed the parliament, etc. (and the worse or better Poroshchenko was), he is an enemy of Russia, the Soviet Union collapsed for which they fought and died millions in the battle against fascism and the first to call the American president about the collapse of the USSR ... !!!! After that, who he is understandable to many, who ended up in poverty and lack of rights in 90, still cannot recover from those deeds of the liberal traitors of the Yeltsin era !!! Yes, those who pulled and continue to take our country away won, stuffing their pockets and it’s such Kolenki who are guided and try to be like them, and if they also help them with different types of exchanges to betray and sell Russia what we want, we’ll get .
  37. Mikhail Zubkov
    Mikhail Zubkov 24 November 2017 22: 00 New
    +2
    Quote: Varyag_0711
    If we compare the number of prisoners for the entire period under Stalin with what was in the USA during the same period, then in the USA the picture will look much more deplorable, but about this, there is no “memorial” in the USA.

    Firstly, the Stalinist period began not earlier than 1928, and before it - it was REPRESSIONS, which were commanded by foreign (German, Anglo-American and Polish) agents and Russophobes of the largest caliber - the Ulyanov-Lenin, the half-German, the Jewish Bronstein-Trotsky and the Pole Dzerzhinsky. Only after the Georgian Russophile Dzhugashvili-Stalin in 1928 succeeded in replacing the PARTIALLY REPRESENTATIVE apparatus they created in the form of “revital tribunals” and creating the USSR Prosecutor’s Office, the losses of the Russian and other peoples of the former Russian Empire decreased by an order of magnitude. Secondly, the so-called The "shooting lists" were not signed by Stalin ONLY, but by the POLITBURO of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks. But until 1938, these lists were compiled mainly by those apparatchiks of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and the Cheka-OGPU-NKVD, which were introduced into all central and local party and law enforcement agencies by the aforementioned three foreign agents since 1917, among which there were also a significant number and the influence of FOREIGN Trotskyist Agents. Only in the Red Army there were about 3000 of them, and if Stalin had not had time to clean them from there in 1937-38, then by 1939 they would have seized power in the army and the country. The fight was fierce, and innocent people suffered, and even in thousandths (BUT NOT MILLIONAL), but this purge was arch-necessary and saving for the army and the country, its multinational people. “Memorial”, in principle, was created in order to dousy this struggle with dirty slander, to distort its character, purpose and results. That is, the struggle continues, gentlemen of the jury! A pack of dogs around Great Russia! But we will fight back and win!
    1. Deck
      Deck 25 November 2017 08: 30 New
      0
      Only in the Red Army there were about 3000 of them, and if Stalin had not had time to clean them from there in 1937-38, then by 1939 they would have seized power in the army and the country.


      I completely agree. Yes, there in the country, by now they would have seized power on the entire planet, and maybe in our part of the galaxy!
    2. Karen
      Karen 25 November 2017 09: 30 New
      0
      Mikhail, I have slightly different information about cleaning in the Red Army ... I don’t remember the source ... Stalin from the 35th began quietly dismissing the Octopus spill from the Red Army, and only after these preliminary measures could he organize the purgatory of the 37th.
  38. Pavel Balakhovtsev
    Pavel Balakhovtsev 24 November 2017 22: 54 New
    +5
    I do not understand why gentlemen liberals feel sorry only for those who lived in Soviet times? And, after all, it is possible to repress in different ways! Who repressed 25 million Russians, making refugees in their own country? And 23 million beggars is only according to official statistics, although they are many times more? But how many millions have the country lost over the past 25 years, the so-called "reforms", who did Stalin repress them? Now, to talk about the "hundreds of millions" of the repressed we are being destroyed, importing millions of migrants and by the middle of the century we will already be "nationalities", and by the end of the century, completely disappear!
    1. Golovan Jack
      Golovan Jack 24 November 2017 22: 59 New
      +8
      Quote: Pavel Balakhovtsev
      And 23 million beggars is only according to official statistics

      The country has 140 million people. From decrepit old people to infants.
      Well then what turns out? what every seventh (or even sixth) is a beggar?! And everyone is standing on the porch, asking for alms ???
      Where have you seen this, my dear?
      Ah, you didn’t see ... They told you ... but you believed ...
      Well, and who are you after that?
      1. Pavel Balakhovtsev
        Pavel Balakhovtsev 25 November 2017 01: 13 New
        +6
        It wasn’t me who said it, Deputy Prime Minister Madam Golodets said it! And I saw all of this here in the Altai Territory, whose population from the 2002 census to the 2010 census fell by 200 thousand. person. And why should beggars stand on the porch? Everyone survives as best he can. If a person is on the labor exchange and receives several thousand rubles, then he can not be called a millionaire. Someone sells milk or Chinese socks and shorts on the market, who throws coal or chopped wood for old people for 500 rubles, someone climbs garbage dumps to collect scrap metal, they can’t be called Abramovichs, but they survive in villages only at the expense of small pensions of the elderly. Sometimes at work, I have to drive through several districts, so people there don’t even understand why and for what they live! If even here, in the Kulund regional center, you won’t find work even for 7-8 thousand rubles, what to say about half-killed villages. I also saw crowds of people dismantling a brick, another abandoned farm to hand over for a couple of rubles to hucksters. So the mother of four children from the village of Estlan, Kulunda district, to pull out her children, pulled out a brick until it was covered with a slab, I lived in this village for seven years and could not get citizenship. So who am I after that?
        1. Golovan Jack
          Golovan Jack 25 November 2017 07: 20 New
          +7
          Quote: Pavel Balakhovtsev
          So I didn’t say it, Deputy Prime Minister Madame Golodets said it

          Quote: Famine
          22 million (people) are people who today according to Russian statistics are among the poor

          Distort slightly? wink
          Quote: Pavel Balakhovtsev
          If a person is on the labor exchange and receives several thousand rubles, then he certainly can not be called a millionaire

          It's difficult to call beggars either. I don’t need songs - I’ve been (“standing”) and “on the labor exchange” ... it’s better than nothing at all.
          Quote: Pavel Balakhovtsev
          someone climbs trash collecting scrap metal

          I have a friend, 62 years old. No pension, moonlighting as a watchman (a day or three), in his free time he is engaged in "metalism".
          Lives quite a "level." True, he does not drink or smoke. Generally.
          So do not draw the apocalypse here.
          Who wants to live lives.
          Who wants to work is looking for ways. Who does not want - seeks reasons

          Something like that.
          1. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 27 November 2017 03: 51 New
            +1
            You, for starters, do not confuse the numbers themselves, in the country there are 146 million people, not 140 million - as you write, and for the rest I will not agree with you.
          2. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 27 November 2017 03: 58 New
            0
            Several thousand rubles is the most natural poverty, not the fact that there is enough to pay for housing and communal services, there is already no food.
          3. Mu Dialer
            Mu Dialer 27 November 2017 04: 19 New
            0
            Pence, at 62, he is forced to work two jobs and at the same time he cannot even afford to buy a drink ... Yeah ... "Level" is just awesome ...
            1. Mu Dialer
              Mu Dialer 27 November 2017 04: 27 New
              0
              At the same time, pence is not the most vulnerable category, the most impoverished are families with children, especially large families, pence against their background simply "boom".
  39. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 24 November 2017 23: 01 New
    +3
    Awesome mess of facts, speculation and a set of words. Example: how can legal sentences imposed by non-judicial bodies such as “triples” be legal? How can there be a basis for a sentence only a personal confession of the person under investigation, knocked out of it and not confirmed by evidence gathered by the investigation? The author is sure that in the Soviet camps there were only fascist henchmen, and the innocents could not rebel against the lawlessness of the guards? But what about the thousands of fascist henchmen repressed at the end of the 30s, freed at the beginning of the war and heroically fighting and dying? And hundreds of engineers forging Victory’s weapons in “sharashka”? Also, henchmen, under pain of executions? There are different people in Memorial, and some facts from the history of our country may be exaggerated, but one cannot contrast one extreme with another
  40. Mxsyno
    Mxsyno 24 November 2017 23: 04 New
    +1
    Given that the war in Belarus did not last long, ours quickly left the republic and pretty quickly kicked the Germans back

    With all due respect to the author, the war in Belarus lasted more than three years, out of incomplete four. My hometown of Brest was liberated on July 28, 1944. Less than ten months remained before the surrender of Germany, and the end of the war with her. But the German stepped here on June 22, 1941, and has been here since the first day of the war.
  41. Brushing
    Brushing 25 November 2017 00: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Deck
    Totally Jewish Forest Brothers ?! ABOUT!


    You tie a drug .... good
    1. Deck
      Deck 25 November 2017 08: 35 New
      0
      Without it, read your pearls ?! laughing
  42. 39GB
    39GB 25 November 2017 01: 45 New
    +4
    Vague doubts torment me. They didn’t seem to be sitting at the demoniac in the General Staff. They are familiar with geography, they knew how to consider mobresources, their intelligence was zealously effective. However, they plan an unrealistically quick war, they don’t store warm things, they do not prepare frost-resistant fuel. Maybe they were still hoping for someone other than the Wehrmacht? Even sure were help. It turns out that not all the "bloody gebnya" got it. Here are the descendants of these survivors and organize a show with the boy Kolya. they have hundreds of millions of repressed, “memorials” and other similar offices. And the Soviet court, the most humane in the world, allowed many Bandera people to live (especially many ideologists, propagandists survived), forest brothers and other evil spirits. After serving, they also made up the company surviving. That's what we have.
    1. Lev Bronsch
      Lev Bronsch 28 November 2017 14: 31 New
      0
      Actually, this is not a doubt, but the harsh realities of the war for survival - the help of the fifth column is always pleasant and useful. Actually, because Stalin defeated her, they hate him. After all, none of our liberals or from the West of Stalin blames real mistakes and miscalculations, which were many economic and geopolitical. The howl is about the "innocent killed", without any analysis at all, the facts - naked PR and all !! But PR can only be answered in the same way, but alas, we do not know how .. There is no culture of creating fakes and introducing them into the mass consciousness for the purpose of cultivating myths to control peoples. But Anglo-Saxon culture of this kind for more than 200 years, and so far they have beaten us, yes successfully - the Soviet Union was destroyed by propaganda (((.
  43. Sotskiy
    Sotskiy 25 November 2017 02: 59 New
    +3
    I saw on a nearby branch. I think “Gardamir” will not be offended if I repeat. In my opinion, just the topic)
    1. Prosha
      Prosha 27 November 2017 20: 21 New
      0
      Well, why are people so serious about the pearls of modern screenwriters? After the first frames of this r ... I want to turn it off and not remember. They somehow consider the number of viewers watching, so turn off and don’t look at this muck and will no longer spend money and produce such valuable products, these gentlemen can count money and just like that no one wants to waste it, and when "people hops" here here and ... glad to try. You do not read the case history of the mentally ill, but why are you watching this? This is a sick imagination multiplied by an exorbitantly large EGO - the modern scriptwriter is a special group of “especially talented mediocrity” and such pearls “Stalingrad”, “Viking”, “Matilda” and others come out from under their pen.
  44. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 25 November 2017 16: 11 New
    +3
    Alexander, what’s the right word? Well, there’s no fault of Fursenko! Fursenko was found for a specific task and he (Fursenko) shares these views! The whole system of power in Russia is to blame, and in particular Mr. Putin, as a guarantor! Find courage — admit it! Our Zaputinians are very strange people, they seem to see problems, but the brain gives them a command: Putin should never be touched.
  45. victorrat
    victorrat 26 November 2017 11: 22 New
    +2
    And to whom, thanks to the fooling of our youth? Thanks to the textbooks of Soros? Is it his fault? But Medvedev and the state-owned company sought money for the country by adopting laws that destroy business, which they are so worried about? Nobody wants to open archives where there are unpleasant facts about those who still live in luxurious offices. And who pulls with the same unified textbook of the history of Russia-Russia?
    Yes, there were repressions, there were slandered people on whom 4 million denunciations wrote. But how many lies about their number! And most importantly, and who is called to repent for it? Why allow shamelessly lying? Why does no one sue defamation of “free” magazines? The state has withdrawn from this lies of the "yellow" press and here is the result!
    1. Prosha
      Prosha 27 November 2017 20: 28 New
      +1
      And they already decided everything - Khrushchev also named everyone who wrote the denunciations - STALIN and in the camps he guarded and mocked the prisoners and prisoners, and in the blockade he changed everything valuable for people dying of hunger, and he did all the meannesses and filth he is. That’s where the distortion of consciousness went - we bleached all the scoundrels and villains by offering Stalin instead of Christ as an atonement and many perked up, remember the Afghans who were often told - I didn’t send you there ... the descendants of the “glorious successors” - it’s sad for all this .
  46. valerei
    valerei 27 November 2017 17: 45 New
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    Quote: Varyag_0711
    I say this as the great-grandson of the repressed. My grandmother in the 37th or 38th took my father and no one knows what happened to him next. What was taken away is also not clear. So, not seeing the materials of the criminal case, not knowing the circumstances of this case itself, I can’t say for sure that my great-grandfather was undeservedly repressed. Maybe there was a reservation, or maybe it was for that, given the fact that he was from the Cossack class, which, to put it mildly, the Soviet regime did not like for the most part.

    And How? The tongue is not dry and the hand is not dry to write such a story about his great-grandfather ?! I didn’t see business and that’s it! So the great-grandfather correctly perished in prison or was shot - a good one, however, the great-granddaughter grew up, the right one. And the remaining "right" has already accumulated 49! So there was no repression, then everything lied to us and “99% were criminal cases and article 58 turned out to be“ notorious. ”And why not write that all 100% were criminal? Come on, Emelya himself! He knows nothing, but how many yelling Historical truth - is it “fussing with innocently killed and dancing on the bones?” In this comment you betrayed your great-grandfather, a Cossack, and you dare to talk about the boy Kolya who was simply put into his brain what he read in the Reichstag. I’m I’m not defending, but you, who hid under the nickname “Varyag,” are a hundred times worse.
  47. Lev Bronsch
    Lev Bronsch 28 November 2017 14: 24 New
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    Dear authors of the article, everything seems to be written correctly, BUT! Again ignoring the facts leads you ((. Boy Kolya from Urengoy knows the story very well! And he made a wonderful report with his mother, where we can hide peace and peace for both our and 3 rubles). BUT! That’s zrad, it was necessary to reduce it to 2 minutes and so that after having got acquainted, the German genosses allowed this opus to be read ... And then here, ESSENCE came out of Kolya! I threw all the water and left the meaning - "licked, licked and I’ll lick to the owners (German) without any hesitation and contrary to all the facts - well, the words “tortured innocent people” must mean prisoners of war captured at Stalingrad and the “so-called Stalingrad cauldron” to give many, many cookies, no matter what Kolya tried, he wandered to Kopeisk, tears fell over German graves ... "That's EVERYTHING! But Kolya knows the history and facts of the Great Patriotic War, and his accomplices who stood on the same platform also know everything, but they won’t give cookies for the truth, but you lick deeply - so you look and fill it up! am
    Understand - but at least by heart make the volumes of the "History of the Great Patriotic War" teach .. until there is a real rejection by society of modern collaborators and traitors, while there is no understanding in their head counters - spat on the country, ok, there is no way for you to go to the civil service or decent people - until then, if they will be fruitful, and taking into account the national factor and Novy Urengoy and the gymnasium if and national. the composition of the oil and gas sector. There Bandera is sitting on a Svidomo and chasing Shukhevych — you’ll at least monitor their accounts on social networks — there is also full pan dressing and jumping for the glory of the Holy Maidan and sobbing about “innocently killed heavenly hundreds”. Reminds colin report? Here is the same !!!
  48. Sivasa
    Sivasa 28 November 2017 15: 55 New
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    Boy Kolya is 14 years old. He was born, grew up, brought up during the "rising from his knees", "Krymnash", "St. George ribbons", etc. "patriotic" husk. So he revealed the true price of this husk: there are only patriots around, and there is no one to turn on the brain. Almost.
  49. lukewarm
    lukewarm 28 November 2017 16: 43 New
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    You can’t say better, I would subscribe to every word. From the "pink glasses" in the beginning to "Spit more nicely in your own, lick the strangers’ enthusiast. " What would add on my own. "History teaches man that man learns nothing from history" © Hegel. The year 1812 became a distant story for us. Little by little the time comes when the 41st will become the same story. We do not value what we got for free. Life, freedom (now freedom from conscience as authors noted). So, over time, we will either have to pay the bill or part with it. Everything goes to that.
  50. tank64rus
    tank64rus 28 November 2017 18: 37 New
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    The liberals have one answer to all of Stalin and repression and repent, repent repent. S ..... The media in these dirty hands "creative intelligence" sings along. The late Zadornov Kingdom of Heaven in disputes with them about repressions always gave one argument. During all their “reforms”, at least 700 thousand were lost. a person is according to your own data. Especially zealous once he said, I’ll just ask my supporters to count all the graves of young and middle-aged people in the 90s, and there, according to his estimates, at least 2,5 million. They shut up. But the record is playing. Tv ... ri.