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The Argentine Navy received data on the explosion in the zone of the disappearance of the submarine

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The Argentine Navy said that in the area of ​​the loss of the Argentine submarine "San Juan" recorded "sonar anomaly", we are talking about a short non-nuclear explosion. The signal was recorded last week - when the connection with the submarine was broken.


We were informed of an anomalous, isolated, short, powerful, non-nuclear phenomenon that corresponds to an explosion.
- declared the representative of the Navy Enrique Balbi

The Argentine Navy received data on the explosion in the zone of the disappearance of the submarine


At the same time, the object discovered by the US Navy is not the missing submarine of the Argentine Navy San Juan. About it reports Sky News with reference to the US Embassy

The find was reported by the crew of the P-8A Poseidon patrol aircraft, the experts ruled out the possibility that the detected object was a missing submarine. The submarine is searched for dozens of aircraft and ships, and military personnel from the USA, Great Britain, Chile and Brazil are taking part in the search.

Meanwhile, the Russian Ministry of Defense, on behalf of Vladimir Putin, is sending a mobile group of Russian military sailors equipped with the Panther Plus bathyscaphe to the search area. They can arrive in the search area within XNUMX hours. This was stated by the former commander of the Black Sea fleet Admiral Vladimir Komoedov.

The submarine went missing on November 15, the crew member 44 is on board. The channel specifies that the oxygen supply on the submarine is designed for seven days, respectively, if the boat does not float to the surface, it comes to an end.

Previously, there were reports of a possible detection of the boat, but all the signals that indicated the intended location of the boat turned out to be false.
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  1. Dimontius
    Dimontius 23 November 2017 17: 40
    +3
    Well done Russia, it helps everyone. Maybe a button when they click on us at the general assembly.
    1. 79807420129
      79807420129 23 November 2017 17: 58
      +8
      Unfortunately, there will be no miracle. request Rest in peace sailors.
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 23 November 2017 20: 30
        +4
        Quote: 79807420129
        Unfortunately, there will be no miracle. request Rest in peace sailors.

        Most likely, once they talk about the "explosion", they clean up the "ends", then they will say that they died instantly and did not wait for days of help.
        I’m without reproaches, it will simply be “easier” for many Argentines and there will be less “speculations” from the so-called liberalism, otherwise they are used to PR for blood (such as Nemtsov’s or “heavenly” from Maydaun).
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 23 November 2017 21: 35
          +4
          Quote: Scoun
          just talk about the "explosion" then clean the "ends"

          Not necessary. Could tear the battery after getting into the battery pit outboard water. We don’t know all the details ...
          But if there was an explosion, then there is little hope ...
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 23 November 2017 22: 19
            +2
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: Scoun
            just talk about the "explosion" then clean the "ends"

            Not necessary. Could tear the battery after getting into the battery pit outboard water. We don’t know all the details ...
            But if there was an explosion, then there is little hope ...

            Everything is true and this could be. Coincidence or not, but they just started talking about the "explosion" when the deadline for oxygen on the boat approached.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 23 November 2017 18: 01
      +8
      Help in this matter is an expression of respect and nobility. The policy here should not be replaced. It is simply help in the grief that has happened.
      Quote: Dimontius
      Well done Russia, it helps everyone. Maybe a button when they click on us at the general assembly.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 November 2017 18: 08
      +5
      Quote: Dimontius
      Well done Russia, it helps everyone. Maybe a button when they click on us at the general assembly.

      In the search for submarines and rescue crews, there are no borders now. 12 years ago, the British helped us pull out the crew of an AC-28 that was stuck in depth.
  2. Politburo
    Politburo 23 November 2017 17: 41
    +5
    Find her men sure, we must do it ..
    1. Burbon
      Burbon 23 November 2017 17: 59
      +7
      Quote: Politburo
      we have to do it ..

      at least someone should do this and it doesn’t matter who, most importantly faster
  3. CentDo
    CentDo 23 November 2017 17: 49
    +2
    It’s interesting, if the military from the USA and Britain are looking for it and cannot find it, then how are they going to look for our submarines?
    1. gukoyan
      gukoyan 23 November 2017 17: 58
      +1
      As it turned out, no way))
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 November 2017 18: 09
      +5
      Quote: CentDo
      It’s interesting, if the military from the USA and Britain are looking for it and cannot find it, then how are they going to look for our submarines?

      It's simple: a moving submarine (especially a nuclear submarine) unmasks itself much more than a motionless one.
      1. CentDo
        CentDo 24 November 2017 09: 24
        0
        As far as I understand (not a specialist, I could be wrong), this rule only applies if silence is observed on a boat lying motionless. If there were survivors, then for sure they did everything to be heard.
  4. old rats
    old rats 23 November 2017 17: 59
    0
    And what is the found object?
    1. novel66
      novel66 23 November 2017 18: 42
      +7
      German submarine with Hitler on board
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 23 November 2017 21: 39
        0
        Quote: novel xnumx
        German submarine with Hitler on board

        or she attacked the Argentinean submarine ...
  5. Monarchist
    Monarchist 23 November 2017 18: 01
    0
    Quote: CentDo
    It’s interesting, if the military from the USA and Britain are looking for it and cannot find it, then how are they going to look for our submarines?

    Or maybe they have no incentive? Once on TV I listened to the answer of “Armenian radio”: “if you put the head of the epidemic on the paw, he will personally pick up all the cockroaches from you, and if you give the cockroach, cockroaches will come to you from all over the city,” this is in order to illustrate the topic stimulus
  6. Herculesic
    Herculesic 23 November 2017 18: 08
    0
    Now it will begin there - the yankees will be in our way in our sweat, they will spy on us openly. They will try to drag our drones or ditch them - I’m doing nothing good from them. Naturally, I do not expect.
  7. Svarog
    Svarog 23 November 2017 18: 14
    +3
    Scythian Americans found chtol?))
  8. san4es
    san4es 23 November 2017 18: 30
    +4
    equipped with a bathyscaphe "Panther plus"
    soldier
    1. Veteran
      Veteran 23 November 2017 18: 51
      +5
      The strange phrase is "a group of sailors equipped with a bathyscaphe." The bathyscaphe acts from a ship carrier, and who will it be? "Amber" will not reach Argentina soon, days via 7 - 10.
      1. san4es
        san4es 23 November 2017 19: 28
        +5
        hi The complex includes:
        Working remote-controlled underwater vehicle
        complete with a lifting device (GPU), a winch with a load-carrying cable and a deep-sea diving device (UGP);
        • Container control room;
        • Work container with an autonomous power source (75 kW diesel generator), workshop and add. equipment;
        • Auto chassis KAMAZ-53212 (8х4)
        • Chassis trailer NEFAZ-8332;
        • Truck crane KS-3574 (URAL-5557 chassis);
        • Minibus cargo-passenger GAZ-3221 - 2 units
        http://www.tetis-pro.ru/catalog/115/516/
        ... by plane of the Ministry of Emergency Situations will get within XNUMX hours soldier
        1. Veteran
          Veteran 23 November 2017 19: 52
          +5
          So they will use it not from the shore with a truck crane, but from the carrier ship, which is supposed to load it, go to sea and lower it by their own means.
          1. san4es
            san4es 23 November 2017 20: 06
            +2
            ... They will give a suitable steamer with a GPU, Argentos (I hope) and forward ... The device is small
            Panther Plus ”is designed to perform complex underwater operations in strong currents and at depths greater than 1 km, it is equipped with several video cameras that transmit the picture up
            soldier
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 23 November 2017 19: 36
        0
        Quote: Veteran
        Amber "will not reach Argentina soon

        Amber in the Atlantic .. somewhere in Africa .., in high speed - a day.
        1. Veteran
          Veteran 23 November 2017 19: 49
          +5
          From the west coast of Africa to Argentina at least 3200 miles, the maximum speed of the "Amber" 15 knots, consider the transition time even the most full speed (9 days). The only hope is that “Amber” received the order much earlier, and now it is already somewhere in the middle of the South Atlantic, and then it will go 4 - 5 days.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 November 2017 21: 24
            +1
            Quote: Veteran
            maximum speed of "Amber" 15 knots,

            You confuse GISU pr 862 with * scout * (research vessel) "Amber".
            He has BES --18 knots, and the maximum somewhere is 20-22 knots, probably.
            1. Veteran
              Veteran 23 November 2017 21: 37
              +5
              No, I don’t confuse. Oceanographic research vessel "Amber" of the 22010 project: full speed 15 knots, 2x3400 hp engines ED The main source is russianships.info, but others will confirm you.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 November 2017 19: 36
        +1
        Quote: Veteran
        The strange phrase is "a group of sailors equipped with a bathyscaphe." The bathyscaphe acts from a ship carrier, and who will it be? "Amber" will not reach Argentina soon, days via 7 - 10.

        Which vessel will be picked up on the spot will be the carrier.
        In order to save the AC-28, the British, who were also thrown over the air, were placed on a killer KIL-27.
        1. Veteran
          Veteran 23 November 2017 20: 08
          +5
          Most likely, if “Amber” does not wait, they will use it from the Norwegians: “Sophie Siam” (oil platform support vessel) or “Scandi Patagonia” (multi-purpose support vessel), which are already there.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 23 November 2017 21: 42
            0
            Quote: Veteran
            Most likely, if “Amber” does not wait, they will use it from the Norwegians: “Sophie Siam” (oil platform support vessel) or “Scandi Patagonia” (multi-purpose support vessel), which are already there.

            maybe in Cuba or in Venezuela from ours who is ...
            1. Veteran
              Veteran 23 November 2017 21: 52
              +5
              A specialized support vessel is needed; others are no longer needed there. Except Amber, all our other rescue ships are too far away and not so modern. The most modern is Igor Belousov, but he is in Vladivostok.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 23 November 2017 22: 31
                0
                There is also a search engine glider from some institute, they at one time offered it to search for a Malaysian Boeing in the Pacific Ocean, so there’s a base ship — any ship with a crane beam and the ability to take on board / launch two zodiacs.
                1. Veteran
                  Veteran 23 November 2017 23: 23
                  +5
                  Submarine glider weighing 150 kg - developed by SPbGMTU and NPPTT "Oceanos", with a payload of 13 - 17 kg, its main purpose is to tow an acoustic antenna (for detecting submarines), it can carry a mini-autonomous non-volt AB, serve as a relay. But there is only its prototype, which undergoes lengthy sea trials. The finished sample is still far away. The development is supervised by the Chief Research Center for Robotics of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
                  1. Svarog51
                    Svarog51 24 November 2017 02: 21
                    +5
                    Yuri Alekseevich, I welcome you hi I have two questions. Somehow they recorded an explosion, which means that all coastal hydroacoustic and various scientific stations "listen" to the ocean. After all, it is somehow determined the source and location of the epicenter of an underwater earthquake, so they can localize the search place. And the second - the boat is diesel, which means a large supply of diesel fuel on board. In the event of damage to the fuel compartments, it should form an oil slick on the surface. Of course, I understand that the weather in the search area is far from ideal and introduces significant difficulties, but can they still find it?
                    1. Veteran
                      Veteran 24 November 2017 12: 59
                      +5
                      Greetings, Seryozha! hi The boat, of course, died. Monitoring of the coastal zone, of course, is ongoing, and the Argentines, even on the day of the last communication session, after 3 hours, recorded several powerful hydroacoustic signals by several organizations, but in order to determine its location, it took them a week, obviously, the processing power was rather weak incoming information, and there is a lot of it. As a result, we found out that this place is located 30 miles north of the last known location of the submarine. Most likely, the battery was closed on the boat. After that, she had to emerge and follow the base in the water position. But there was a storm of 8 points at the top, and this boat was poorly adapted for surface swimming (unlike, for example, old projects like our 641), and they decided to go under water to avoid strong rolling, probably disconnecting the faulty group. Perhaps the serviceable group was overloaded, and the batteries could not stand it, they could explode themselves or the accumulated mixture with hydrogen exploded, followed by a voluminous fire. Hydroacoustic explosion of an AB during a primary g / a contact sounds like an explosion of torpedoes. The explosion led to a violation of the tightness of the solid hull; in case of fire, the tightness of bulkheads, pipelines, tanks of the main ballast and subsequent flooding of the boat is also violated. The boat could not come up. Due to the relatively small size of the submarine, events could develop rapidly, and did not allow the crew to take measures for their salvation. Perhaps there was a panic with confusion, because the boat was crowded with people in 1,7 times. Strong trim could prevent the release of emergency buoys. And fuel tanks may not be damaged, some other traces could be swept aside by a powerful storm. So it lies on the ground, approximately at a depth of 200 m and it needs to be found, I think, will be found. The missing Israeli boat Dakar was searched for 32 of the year, but it lay at a depth of 3 km.
                    2. Veteran
                      Veteran 24 November 2017 21: 51
                      +5
                      Seryozha, and another clarification. The Argentines initially hid the sources of incoming information, did not want to immediately disclose them. It turns out that information about the explosion was transmitted to them by representatives of the US Navy on November 22, then it was confirmed by the Organization for a Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which analyzes information from hydrophones installed in the Atlantic. So this is not even their means of observation revealed.
                      1. Svarog51
                        Svarog51 25 November 2017 00: 41
                        +5
                        Yuri Alekseevich hi Thank you for the detailed explanation. In one of the messages it slipped that at the last communication session, the crew reported that there were some problems. Shouldn't they have given the coordinates of their location? And one more thing, hydrophones do not give at least an approximate direction to a sound anomaly. Here it seems to be the same principle as the direction finding of the radio signal, but having three bearings from spaced sonar stations, you can compare and determine the most likely point of the explosion. This will lead much closer to a boat in distress than combing a vast area. And even more alarming is the fact that extremely scarce information is received in the media. Well, I understand when the most secret and modern submarine of a major sea power suffers a disaster, but then why are they silent, pulling rubber and hiding information? Are people dying again to please politics?
  9. Sergey53
    Sergey53 23 November 2017 20: 27
    0
    Now, all the more, we must continue to search for it.
  10. ver_
    ver_ 24 November 2017 03: 43
    0
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: Scoun
    just talk about the "explosion" then clean the "ends"

    Not necessary. Could tear the battery after getting into the battery pit outboard water. We don’t know all the details ...
    But if there was an explosion, then there is little hope ...

    ... interesting - is it possible * to * leave * the submarine through a torpedo tube with a rubber boat and a radio station? ..
    1. Forcecom
      Forcecom 24 November 2017 10: 31
      +4
      Yes, it is possible that the exit through the TA and through the upper hatchway is an indispensable part of the training of divers, the maximum exit depth is 125 meters, up to 57 meters, free ascent is possible (provided that the person has not been for a long time under high pressure) from 57 meters and below Ascent on the buoyre with obligatory stops at depths of 30 meters for 1-2 minutes in increments of 2-5 meters (there is a whole table on the exit depths and time of arrival at elevated pressure, on the buyrep “musinki” (balls) at the necessary depths, you cling with a carabiner for a buoyer, you pop up to the "musinka" count off the seconds that have been set for you, press the "finger" in the carbine and until the next "musinka" - to the very surface, the last "musinka" is 2 meters from the water level). This is necessary so that the gases dissolved in it due to high pressure gradually come out of the blood, otherwise the decompression sickness is at least, and most likely, boiling blood and ground meat floats to the surface. Ideally, the top should be a side with a capacious pressure chamber, below 125 meters only a bell.
      Although 125 meters is also in theory, our SSP-59 (rescue equipment of a submariner) is equipped with 3 cylinders with a breathing mixture, while the two cylinders needed to exit at depths of up to 75 meters are directly connected to the SSP, and the third cylinder with a gel-oxygen mixture is necessary for there was no exit from great depths across the state to the submarine, (theoretically) it was supposed to be delivered to the emergency submarine via TA or rescue hatches.
      1. Forcecom
        Forcecom 24 November 2017 10: 47
        +5
        And yet, even from 40 meters it’s scary to go out in complete darkness, experiencing the pressure of water to crawl along the torpedo tube, get out of the submarine, not seeing anything acting on the touch, find a buoyer to catch on to it, slowly emerge fighting with a wild desire to unhook it and faster up to the light.
        This is CREEPY.
      2. ver_
        ver_ 24 November 2017 12: 10
        +1
        .. divers with a load plunge 100 meters (as I saw a competition on a box) .., without any scuba gear .., release the load and come up ..
        1. Forcecom
          Forcecom 24 November 2017 12: 51
          +5
          The diver inhales air at sea level at a pressure of 1 atmosphere, dives holding his breath and floats up, while this is a specially trained person, with excellent inborn physical data, one in a million. How much can you personally hold your breath? My "record" is 126 seconds at rest, but then I was slightly younger and 20 kilogram thinner, with physical exertion this value can safely be reduced by 2-2,5 times. On average, only the exit through the TA (well, crawl for 6 meters, wait until two more crawl, then wait until the TA is full of water and go outside) takes about 5 minutes, the TA must close the front cover (officer or midshipman) and also pop up onto surface is needed. Are you personally sure that you can do this entire operation in one breath?
          And please note that this is only on condition that all your time in the compartment in the compartment, the pressure remained at the level of 1 atmosphere, which is not always the case - for example, backpressure is created to slow down the flow of water into the compartment, or if it is slightly bleed into the compartment with oxygen air from the VVD / VVD / VND systems to hold out longer. Rescue equipment is not a hard suit, then there would be nowhere to store it on the boat, it is a rubber jumpsuit with a breathing apparatus, breathing is carried out through a breathing bag, the pressure of which is equal to the pressure of the water - at a depth of 100 meters it will have 11 atmospheres and it’s under With this pressure the gas mixture enters the body. Do you want to know what will happen to you if you hold it for 3–4 atmospheres for 6-7 hours and then sharply reduce the pressure to 1 atmosphere? Take any closed bottle of sparkling water, shake it, and then quickly open the lid - the same thing happens with your blood, as practice shows, such a process in blood vessels and capillaries of the body leads to hemorrhage of the brain, rupture of soft tissues and internal organs - in general, it’s bad compatible with life.
          1. Veteran
            Veteran 24 November 2017 15: 01
            +5
            Forcecom, you spelled out everything perfectly, wonderful explanations.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 25 November 2017 02: 46
              +6
              Yuri Alekseevich hi And Denis Forcecom is your college colleague, no wonder that you think alike. good
          2. ver_
            ver_ 25 November 2017 03: 27
            +1
            ..you will surprise or not, I don’t know, but I remember shooting where a baby plays at the bottom of a huge aquarium filled with toys and is not uncomfortable and moves freely .. There are two types of breathing
            - oxygen and carbon dioxide .. The second type of breathing after birth * is forgotten * by the body, but studies have been carried out, and it is quite possible there are interesting developments .. However, this is too narrow a topic for use in real life ... Life originated in water. Yes - not Ichthyander we ..
            but ...
            1. Forcecom
              Forcecom 25 November 2017 10: 44
              +3
              I know what you’re talking about, but all this is done either at the level of experiments, and the divers are fortunately not grown-ups, but grown-up men, or it requires a lot of space, a bunch of special equipment and time to prepare, there’s no emergency the second nor ESPECIALLY the third.
              In the world there are only a few books written in blood, two of which are RBZH PL and RBZH NK - Guide for the Survivability of the Submarine and the Surface Ship, respectively. And there is no room for fantasies about new technologies and bold experiments in them, there are only strict rules, following which, using techniques developed and worked out 20-30 years ago, you can try to save at least some of the people.
              1. ver_
                ver_ 25 November 2017 12: 06
                +1
                ..I don’t even argue with you, all the more so since * ichthyander * would hardly have chosen to serve in the submarine, more likely - would have collected pearls, or * treasures * of dead ships ..., in the most extreme case, combat swimmers. .
  11. Asthma
    Asthma 24 November 2017 10: 14
    0
    It seems to me that it's too late. the boat is dead. but I'm interested in the strangeness of this phrase
    We were informed of an abnormal, single, short, powerful, non-nuclear explosion phenomenon
    strange, don’t you? as for me, they could also naglosaksy salt.
    1. ver_
      ver_ 24 November 2017 17: 12
      +1
      .. watched a film about Cousteau - so he scrolled * without scuba * in underwater caves, with his lips he collected air bubbles from the ceiling of the cave, when they were not there, he occasionally swam up to his assistant and took a sigh from his scuba .., he kept himself completely without air 5 minutes .. There are insulating gas masks (I think they are well worked out now), there is no bag there ..- the air is distilled in a circle - dioxide is removed ..., probably there are a lot of things ..
      1. Forcecom
        Forcecom 25 November 2017 00: 53
        +4
        To the madness of the brave we sing songs ...
        And Superman would have lifted this boat from the bottom with one left, then Krypton would have revived the submariners with force and all of Argentina would have applauded the American president, and if a spider-man with a betman and a woman would have pulled a cat, then ...
        By the way, you did not answer me - how much you personally can do without breathing.
        And stop giving examples of unique individual people, especially if you saw their "special abilities" in mounted TV shows, and not personally.
        Next - figure out what the differences are between an isolating gas mask and an isolating breathing apparatus, what for what is needed on the example of at least IP-6 and IDA-59M, and that and that is on our submarines and their description is on these your internet. By the way, at the same time look at what PDA is.
        Understand - the swimmer’s immersion from the surface of the water in easy-diving equipment and the submariner’s exit from the sunken submarine under high pressure are two different processes that are completely different from each other. What are you talking about - bagless breathing apparatuses are possible only if the rescue equipment itself is tough and will take on external pressure, only the dimensions of such spacesuits will be completely different and they won’t get through the torpedo device, and there’s a place for them, much more is needed.
        Here are just rescue equipment (MOP) looks like this:

        this is just MTP + IDA-59M
        It’s so inherent in nature that a person can normally exist only if the external pressure is equal to the internal one - and if the Ocean forces 10 atmospheres on your chest, then there will also be 10 atmospheres of back pressure inside you, but you just breathe the nitrogen-gel-oxygen mixture (and not air as you said) you can’t if it comes to you under pressure in 1 atmosphere - you don’t have enough strength to overpower the hand of the Ocean lying on your chest.
        Yes, there are technologies, there are survivability compartments, since the 3rd generation there is a VSK on the nuclear submarine - a pop-up rescue capsule - designed to evacuate about half of the crew (in conditions when it becomes necessary for it, more than half of the crew will still not be able to reach it). That's just even she does not always help. And no matter how technology develops, anyway, the last hope for a submariner to survive will be this “funny” orange rubber jumpsuit with a lead belt and shoes (so that when you ascend it doesn’t turn upside down - a brain hemorrhage is a corpse) and a breathing apparatus with regenerative cylinders cartridge, bag and a bunch of tubes, gears and valves on the chest.
        I do not want to offend you, but - you read, google, watched movies on the "box". And I was educated at the Higher Naval School of Radio Electronics, was assigned to a submarine brigade, and before I was decommissioned ashore I went from a computing engineer to an assistant commander of a 636 project diesel-electric submarine.
        And all that I wrote above to you here — all this I worked out many times at first in the School and then in the brigade with the actual start-up — I left the TA in the “dry” and “wet” mode with the machine turned on and without it, with and without flooding the compartment, I studied to properly lace up the SPP, lace up others and lace up itself. I saw everything - and how sensible, brave young men began a claustrophobic attack in TA and how people panicked even before leaving in the compartment, and it was most terrible to shake when they went to work from 30 meters, although I realized that we went out under ideal conditions, on top of the board He’s picking us up, there are scuba divers nearby and everything will be fine even if I do everything wrong - they’ll still pull me out, there was still fear.
        Do you know why a part of the ceremony of initiation into sailors is the need to drink sea water? For the neophyte to remember his bitter and salty taste for his whole life - because if he makes a mistake, this taste will be the last that he will feel in his life.
        Understand - the Ocean is not movies and books, this is not a beautiful sunset that you want to watch from the shore - this is the World, the Alien World hostile to us and we are uninvited guests.
        And yet, when in six months you will eat herring or some other Atlantic fish, remember the Argentine submariners, because maybe you will eat that fish that is now eating their swollen corpses.
        1. Veteran
          Veteran 25 November 2017 11: 52
          +6
          Bravo, Denis! Hats off as a sign of respect hi In addition, you have a talent for marinistic presentation.
          1. Forcecom
            Forcecom 25 November 2017 18: 00
            +4
            Veteran
            Thank you for evaluating my modest talents, alas, it has been an overland rat for more than 10 years, I have already forgotten a lot, although I still distinguish the yoke from the sliding support :)
        2. ver_
          ver_ 25 November 2017 15: 10
          +1
          ..a little about himself - the president’s year old .. He graduated from the technical technical university in 1974 .. He retired and gained 10 kg .., began to weigh 85 .., was offended .., dropped 22 .., or rather dropped to 61, but keep this line heavily-stopped at 63 .., growth 175 ..
          1. Veteran
            Veteran 25 November 2017 16: 07
            +5
            With the growth of 175, your 63 kg is the normal weight for a man - asthenica (62 - 66 kg). If you are a normostenic in body composition, then your normal weight range is 65 - 71 kg, if the hypersthenic is 69 - 77 kg.
            Weight is weight, but if you monitor your health, then first of all you need to periodically monitor the condition of the most vulnerable organ of an elderly man - the prostate gland.
            1. ver_
              ver_ 25 November 2017 17: 01
              +1
              .. it's time to get ready to travel to another world .., the only entertainment is the computer and the electronic library of Flibust .. through a proxy, the addition of browsers.
              .. ideal weight for me is 61 kg .., I don’t feel any pain in this body .. but to go to the clinic - you need to have iron health - this medical mafia will drive according to all the analyzes - they create the appearance of violent activity .., I I even quarreled once with a woman therapist - I took out a drink-a pill-to lower the pressure, otherwise I won’t sign the direction .. The pressure * walks * up, down ... that the monkey is in vines .. It’s enough for a person to freak out - the pressure will immediately jump ..
              1. Veteran
                Veteran 25 November 2017 17: 11
                +5
                The main thing at our age is not to worry, and especially not to freak out, it is deadly. And about the prostate, so its control is simple (and not wait for pain, it will be too late) - once a year in any laboratory to donate blood for PSA analysis, to control this tumor marker. For this direction, a doctor is not necessary.
                1. ver_
                  ver_ 25 November 2017 17: 42
                  +1
                  ..the funny thing is, at the age of 3 they told me - you had a mikrik ... At the age of 6 years I was told - everything is fine, when I said that I was put mikrik at 30, they answered me there was no scar
                  1. Veteran
                    Veteran 26 November 2017 17: 40
                    +4
                    You need to walk outdoors every day for at least an hour. It is walking, not standing or sitting.
                    1. ver_
                      ver_ 27 November 2017 03: 38
                      +1
                      ... completely in the hole - it is supposed to walk 5 kilometers in a calm step .., interestingly, there are only a few pedestrians in the city, a continuous stream of cars on the roads ...
                2. ver_
                  ver_ 26 November 2017 11: 04
                  +1
                  .. I eat hot chili peppers and coffee, too, and in a very large large quantity and every day - suppresses cancer cells .., especially how the papillomas intensified (burned out), we must repeat the course of fraction-2 - the time has come ..
          2. Forcecom
            Forcecom 25 November 2017 17: 20
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            I would like to apologize to you, honestly looking at how you purposefully cling to zombie movies and specific experiments, I got the impression that I am dealing with a pre-conscription warrior who has seen enough and grabbed everything and everything and now persists in his ignorance. And he conducted his narrative in the appropriate manner and tone, once again I apologize for the harshness.

            Everyone in the Depth is equal there, or everyone remains there, or everyone is trying to get out too





            so that it’s not completely sad
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 26 November 2017 05: 19
              +6
              Denis, I welcome you hi Thank you so much for the comments. good
              I don’t know if the song will be like? I'll post it - I really like it.
              1. Veteran
                Veteran 26 November 2017 17: 50
                +5
                Great, Sergey! good laughing
              2. Forcecom
                Forcecom 28 November 2017 10: 28
                +3
                Thank you. hi Of course I know this song, and of course I like it. One of the few fun Our songs. Usually, divers have songs in a minor way.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 28 November 2017 14: 40
                  +7
                  The author and performer is Alexander Viktorov, and the collection is called "Autonomy". good hi
            2. ver_
              ver_ 26 November 2017 10: 54
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              . * .. and whoever wants to save nature and sonorous laughter and spring color, the submarine goes into the sea, look for it in the middle of nowhere .. *
            3. Veteran
              Veteran 26 November 2017 20: 42
              +5
              Thank you, Denis, for the wonderful videos! good For the durability of a durable case! drinks
              1. Forcecom
                Forcecom 28 November 2017 10: 26
                +4
                And so that the number of dives equals the number of ascent drinks

                In general, "For those who are in the Sea! On a shift! On a guardhouse, In a maternity hospital or other difficult situation, and those who are on the shore will get drunk themselves!"
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                2. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 28 November 2017 18: 29
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                  At all latitudes
            4. ver_
              ver_ 28 November 2017 16: 01
              +1
              ... Your Honor, Madam Luck ..
              1. Forcecom
                Forcecom 28 November 2017 16: 44
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                good luck is weak, and men are strong submariners, so we only need success soldier
                1. ver_
                  ver_ 28 November 2017 16: 56
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                  .. luck is needed by everyone, because there is a general law - * meanness * - sopromat - where it is thin, it breaks, - hydraulics - the water will find a hole ..
                2. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 28 November 2017 18: 31
                  +6
                  Walking Beauty - Submarine
  12. Forcecom
    Forcecom 24 November 2017 11: 44
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    Quote: Forcecom
    SSP-59

    Means SSP + IDA-59M
    does not allow to edit the previous post.
  13. Kyzmich
    Kyzmich 24 November 2017 16: 34
    +1
    . The battery pulled.
    The end.
  14. Veteran
    Veteran 25 November 2017 01: 35
    +5
    Svarog51, Seryozha, at the last communication session, the submarine commander reported that there were some problems with the battery, but that they allegedly managed to be eliminated. The coordinates of the submarine are indicated in the report, therefore, the place from which the commander reported was known to the command, and it instructed to follow the boat by the shortest route to the base of Mar del Plata. Further, the boat was supposed, as it should be at the passage, to give a report to the CP about the passage of the control point, but it was not received. Obviously, requests began to be sent to her, but she did not answer. Then it was only announced about her loss, it took almost two days. During this time, the boat could leave the last place for hundreds of kilometers. I personally think that the Argentines would need to narrow the search area and pay attention to the northern direction, where the submarine should go. But they asked for a search for a very large area, and a strong storm did not allow it to be conducted effectively. And a week later, on November 22, they were informed by the Americans about the sound effect recorded by them on 15, which they eventually classified as a technical explosion. Everything in the ocean is much more complicated than on land in the case of direction finding. A huge number of sounds constantly appear in its layers, for the classification of which even systems with modern computers spend days or weeks, moreover, sound waves do not propagate linearly, but depending on current hydroacoustic conditions. And you can’t cram a lot of hydrophones in the ocean, only in shallow water. If it were all so simple with detection, then the point in using the submarine would have disappeared altogether.
    Of course, any Navy command, connected with the secrets of the activities of its submarines, is reluctant and gradually reveals detailed information, almost when the critical phase begins, fearing to cross the "red line" of disclosure.
    hi
    1. Svarog51
      Svarog51 25 November 2017 02: 55
      +6
      Thank you, another gap in my knowledge has been filled. I read your comments and Forcecom colleagues comments, I found a lot of interesting things for myself. And my classmate in 87 also graduated from the VVMURE named after Popov, then served on the submarine of the Black Sea Fleet as hydroacoustic. He reached the straw and in the 90s left the Navy in business. Now lives in St. Petersburg.
      1. Veteran
        Veteran 25 November 2017 14: 52
        +5
        Than can hi At the shelf depths, the boat will be discovered, and most likely raised. It is the raised boat with further careful examination that will establish the causes of the accident and the death of the submarine. If you do not pick up the boats that died with the whole crew, officially the cause of their death is considered unidentified. So, because of this, the reasons for the death of Thresher (1963, USA), Israeli Dakar (1968, examined by divers and robots in the 3 km section, sheathing without damage), and Scorpio ( 1968 g., USA), lying at 3 km depth and examined by underwater vehicles, two French submarines Minerva (1968 g.) And Eridis (1970 g.), Missing and not found, Chinese No. 208 (1983 g. ) etc. The found Komsomolets, although it was not raised, was examined and 27 crew members, living witnesses of the disaster, managed to escape from it.
        1. Svarog51
          Svarog51 25 November 2017 16: 15
          +5
          If only it didn’t work out like with the North Korean, they’ve found, examined, prepared for the rise, and the command “Set aside” has come. We decided not to raise it for some reason.
          1. Veteran
            Veteran 25 November 2017 17: 02
            +5
            No, Seryozha, with foreign help they will finish it. North Korea is a special case, ideology reigns there. In 1998, their small submarine got entangled in networks, so the crew committed mass suicide. As for the last incident in March 2016, the boat disappeared under water, the DPRK ships were looking for it. But the result is unknown, there is no reliable information. It is possible that they found her, but, having ascertained the death of the crew, they decided that he had fulfilled his duty and left them alone.
            1. Svarog51
              Svarog51 25 November 2017 17: 24
              +5
              Yuri Alekseevich, I spoke about another case, from the 80s. Here on the site there is a participant Vladimir with the nickname "watermark", he was directly involved in underwater work. He is a military diver, look for his comments. If necessary, I can also send a link. In addition, he took part in the rescue of the crews of two boats at the Pacific Fleet.
              1. Veteran
                Veteran 25 November 2017 18: 24
                +5
                Obviously, something else, Sergey. In the 80's there were no accidents with submarines of the DPRK. The most famous "adventure" (with crew) accident of a small Sang-O submarine was 18.09.1996, and in all they had 3 boat losses - in 1996, 1998 and 2016.
                Perhaps, the death of the Chinese diesel-electric submarine No. 208 (built according to our project 629) in 1983 was meant? But the Chinese carefully hide the secret of her death, even if they know.
                1. Svarog51
                  Svarog51 25 November 2017 18: 57
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                  Yuri Alekseevich, well, I’m just a “repeater” for information in this case. Look, a couple of screenshots with comments "watermark"
                  It seems I didn’t mix anything up and there’s a conversation about a North Korean boat.
                  Why doesn’t the first screen open, if you have one too, I will post it again.
  15. Veteran
    Veteran 25 November 2017 20: 49
    +5
    Seryozha, I understood what was going on. This accident and the death of submarines is not included in the worldwide catalog of submarine accidents. I got acquainted with her on the memoirs of K.-adm. Lutsk. Indeed, on February 19 1985, a North Korean submarine built according to Chinese drawings according to our 633 project was rammed by a trawler, obviously, at the time of its ascent. Sank at a depth of 138 m. 5 miles from the coast. The Koreans turned to our General Staff for help, and on February 20 the SS Sayans and Zhiguli, the cruiser Chapaev, left Vladivostok. On February 21, upon arriving in the area, they tried to get in touch with the submarine crew on the ZPS, but in vain. 23 February surveyed the boat author. saved. shells - no signs of life. The submariners had breathing air for 5 days, but doctors concluded that they died earlier from hypothermia (water 2 gr.), Which was confirmed that the compartments were flooded or flooded due to leakage, no one survived. Therefore, with the 10 of March, we were only talking about raising the submarine. That's when our TOF divers worked, including Vodyanaya. It turned out that it was practically impossible to lift and move the pontoons, crane lifting is needed - to bring two floating cranes from Vladivostok with g / n 300 and 500 t, which will take time until the beginning of May with the condition for their preparation. Accordingly, the cost of such work will be decent. After reviewing the findings and suggestions, the Koreans refused the operation to raise the submarines because of their high cost (in any case, Lutsky says so, and he was the head of the expedition to raise).