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Prosecutor’s check started on Sobchak’s statement about Crimea

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Earlier, Ksenia Sobchak, who announced her desire to run for president, today announces the start of a prosecutor’s check on her statement about the “Ukrainian Crimea”. Recall that on the air of the American television channel Sobchak stated that she was in the position that the Crimea, by international standards, is part of Ukraine. Today Sobchak announced the receipt of a notice from the Prosecutor General's Office about the start of the inspection.


Her check on the statement of Ksenia Sobchak began and the prosecutor's office of the city of Moscow. Reports about it RIA News with reference to the. Lyudmila Nefyodova, Head of Media Relations and Legal Support of the Moscow Supervisory Authority.

From the statement of the head of the press service of the Moscow Prosecutor's Office:
All appeals of applicants that come under this statement will be considered in the manner prescribed by law.


Recall that the applicants require prosecutors to consider the application of Ksenia Sobchak for a possible denial of the territorial integrity of Russia, which is a crime under the law.

Prosecutor’s check started on Sobchak’s statement about Crimea


Sobchak, after an interview with the American media, hastened to declare that she didn’t say anything criminal, noting that she was arguing about the status of Crimea, “on the basis of international law.”
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  1. scrap123
    scrap123 23 November 2017 14: 19
    23
    Horse stall ...
    1. forester
      forester 23 November 2017 14: 21
      19
      How good she would look for a sewing machine in the “zone”
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 23 November 2017 14: 24
        +4
        Not to the prosecutor, but to the blacksmith! yes
        1. Anarchist
          Anarchist 23 November 2017 14: 39
          16
          Crimea is Russia! It is a fact! But I am against persecution for dissent! Otherwise, we will be jailed for jokes about Putin or for the fact that the sprat put a jar on his portrait in the newspaper am
          No extremes needed!
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 23 November 2017 14: 43
            11
            Quote: Anarchist
            Otherwise, we will be jailed for jokes about Putin or for the fact that the sprat put a jar on his portrait in the newspaper

            It depends on whose sprats ... laughing
            1. Anarchist
              Anarchist 23 November 2017 14: 46
              11
              Quote: СРЦ П-15
              It depends on whose sprats ...

              And in what language is the joke?
              Checked out!))) Really funny! lol
              1. Vladimir16
                Vladimir16 23 November 2017 14: 53
                24
                Quote: Anarchist
                Crimea is Russia! It is a fact! But I am against persecution for dissent!

                This woman wanted to become president. In this case, she needs to watch her broom. This is no longer a joke in the kitchen. This is an official statement.
                Let me remind you that those who cuss on international law in 41 came to us with the war. Europeans killed during the invasion of our country 27 million of our relatives, of which 19 million PEOPLE !!!
                Europeans are killers. This is not a war crime. This is genocide. They are paddles.
                There can be no international law. There is no faith for those who live in Europe and those who speak English.
                They bombed Yugoslavia and judge those who resisted them !!! Where the hell is international law ???
                Do not ... beat the brain neither yourself nor the other !!!

                And Crimea is Russian. And Odessa is a Russian city.
                1. Anarchist
                  Anarchist 23 November 2017 15: 32
                  11
                  So I do not argue that it is a lot of bazaars, but it’s one thing to plant for extremism and such statements, and another for personal opinion! That's when he begins to call for the separation of the Crimea, then immediately to the remand prison! With the ensuing consequences ...
                  And to be honest, she would have walked more along the bridges, especially along the bridges repeat
                  1. Dead duck
                    Dead duck 23 November 2017 15: 53
                    +7
                    Quote: Anarchist
                    So I do not argue that it is a lot of bazaars, but it’s one thing to plant for extremism and such statements, and another for personal opinion! That's when he begins to call for the separation of the Crimea, then immediately to the remand prison! With the ensuing consequences.

                    Take her for a long time kick in the ass ...
                    next pearls:

                    in short, prostrate and kiss the lady's shoes ...
                    Elite Mlyn ... nobles and others ... God's chosen ...
                2. Polite Moose
                  Polite Moose 23 November 2017 15: 40
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  This woman wanted to become president. In this case, she needs to watch her broom. This is no longer a joke in the kitchen. This is an official statement.

                  It was she who decided in this way to steal money from the Ukrainians for her election campaign.
                  1. enmesher
                    enmesher 24 November 2017 13: 08
                    0
                    And Ukrainians have something to pay? did not know) request
                    1. Polite Moose
                      Polite Moose 24 November 2017 13: 18
                      +1
                      Quote: enmesher
                      And Ukrainians have something to pay? did not know)

                      The African dad’s
                3. Anyone
                  Anyone 24 November 2017 13: 06
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  Europeans are killers. This is not a war crime. This is genocide. They are paddles.
                  There can be no international law. There is no faith for those who live in Europe and those who speak English.

                  Right! Everyone who speaks English - in the oven! )) Z.Y. Homegrown forum fascists have fun.
                4. Abracadabrus
                  Abracadabrus 26 November 2017 15: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Vladimir16
                  Europeans killed during the invasion of our country 27 million of our relatives, of which 19 million PEOPLE !!!
                  Europeans are killers. This is not a war crime. This is genocide. They are paddles.
                  There can be no international law. There is no faith for those who live in Europe and those who speak English.
                  They bombed Yugoslavia and judge those who resisted them !!! Where the hell is international law ???
                  Do not ... beat the brain neither yourself nor the other !!!

                  Bravo! Neither reduce nor add. Exactly and essentially. good
          2. forester
            forester 23 November 2017 16: 10
            +2
            Quote: Anarchist
            Crimea is Russia! It is a fact! But I am against persecution for dissent! Otherwise, we will be jailed for jokes about Putin or for the fact that the sprat put a jar on his portrait in the newspaper am
            No extremes needed!

            This is not dissent, but separatism.
          3. Fitter65
            Fitter65 24 November 2017 17: 29
            +1
            Quote: Anarchist
            But I am against persecution for dissent!

            And where is the dissent? Here is the denial of the territorial integrity of Russia, which is a crime under the law. So you do not confuse garden vegetables (in Africa and Norilsk do not rattle) and the tram handle ...
        2. Jedi
          Jedi 23 November 2017 14: 42
          +7
          Sasha, based on international law, they will start a prosecutor’s check if I call Sobchachka a “draft horse” and add that I’m hiding under the table from her smile, because afraid of horse teeth since childhood? recourse
          1. pvv113
            pvv113 23 November 2017 14: 54
            +6
            if I call Sobchachka a draft horse

            Max, you’re not a draftsman, but call her a runner - no test will prove that this is not a compliment wink
            But there's nothing to be done with a smile request
          2. san4es
            san4es 23 November 2017 14: 54
            10
            Quote: Jedi
            ... from her smile I’m hiding under the table, because afraid of horse teeth since childhood? recourse

            bully
            1. Going
              Going 23 November 2017 15: 54
              +8
              Why is it PR again, it's all done for its promotion. or rather, her business.
              1. san4es
                san4es 23 November 2017 16: 00
                +4
                Quote: Going
                Why is it PR again,

                ... What kind of PR is there ... it’s been through the whole thing for a long time bully
                1. mig29mks
                  mig29mks 23 November 2017 18: 35
                  0
                  that “she didn’t say anything criminal”, noting that she talked about the status of Crimea “based on international law”, “But we acted according to the instructions.” Schwonder
            2. pvv113
              pvv113 23 November 2017 16: 02
              +2
              Alexander, you’re very cruel wink
              1. san4es
                san4es 23 November 2017 16: 04
                +4
                Quote: pvv113
                Alexander, you’re very cruel wink

                am ... I'm not like that, life is like that wink
                1. pvv113
                  pvv113 23 November 2017 16: 57
                  +2
                  I do not argue, in the same way wink
          3. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 23 November 2017 15: 11
            +2
            Quote: Jedi
            Sasha, based on international law, they will start a prosecutor’s check if I call Sobchachka a “draft horse” and add that I’m hiding under the table from her smile, because afraid of horse teeth since childhood?

            Greetings, Max! hi
            Did she bite you as a child? belay
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 23 November 2017 16: 05
              +1
              Tips from a half-liter technologist Warriors Wow.
              For Sobchak to win, she needs to use two powerful levers:
              1) The song from the video clip "Glasses like Sobchak ... very clear eyes ..."
              2) Successfully drive to Churov.

              And get their 114% of the vote for the song Cord. fellow
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 23 November 2017 20: 02
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                2) Successfully drive to Churov.
                And get their 114% of the vote for the song Cord.

                Here even the "wizard" Churov is powerless
        3. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz 23 November 2017 15: 08
          0
          Quote: SRC P-15
          Not to the prosecutor, but to the blacksmith! yes

          Do you think the blacksmith is not so picky? laughing
          1. SRC P-15
            SRC P-15 23 November 2017 15: 15
            0
            Quote: Hagalaz
            Do you think the blacksmith is not so picky?

            No, I think our prosecutors are illegible. yes
        4. aliis-M
          aliis-M 23 November 2017 18: 19
          +1
          Some kind of legally uninformed winked
      2. Ankipelgygyrgyn
        Ankipelgygyrgyn 23 November 2017 14: 26
        +1
        She will break the machine and ruin the fabric ... you can’t trust her mat.values.
      3. Warrior with machine gun
        Warrior with machine gun 23 November 2017 14: 28
        +5
        it’s high time that this mare was pulled over the tongue, waving like a broom with his broom and no responsibility (apparently the limit of “protection” for dad’s ghost was almost completely squandered.)
    2. SOF
      SOF 23 November 2017 14: 21
      +2
      into the cage would ...
    3. jjj
      jjj 23 November 2017 14: 22
      +1
      In fact, there’s really nothing to attract. For she is not an official person, expressed her personal opinion and did not call for anything bad
      1. Hariton laptev
        Hariton laptev 23 November 2017 15: 26
        0
        As soon as she announced that she was going to run for president, she automatically became an official person, and she made a statement not in the kitchen, but on the TV screen in a country not friendly to us, which would be perceived by a simple layman as an official statement from a possible president. Therefore, she must be responsible for her words according to the law.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 23 November 2017 14: 31
      +5
      Quote: scrap123
      Horse stall ...

      Not a horse, but a MARE. Something smelled of horse meat.
    5. PalBor
      PalBor 23 November 2017 14: 32
      +3
      Apparently, in matters of "international law" she is well-versed wink
      1. san4es
        san4es 23 November 2017 14: 48
        +9
        Quote: PalBor
        Apparently, in matters of "international law" she is well-versed wink

        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 23 November 2017 21: 42
          +5
          Check out ... wink
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 23 November 2017 14: 46
      +1
      And what can the prosecutor’s office verify, except to take an explanation from it to confirm what was said? belay Oh, and their hard work! winked If in our country mink "liberals" cannot express their position on Crimea, then first of all it is necessary to transplant the entire Yabloko party and close all of the "Ear of Moscow" as members of an organized criminal group. But this is nonsense!laughing
      1. faridg7
        faridg7 23 November 2017 15: 10
        +1
        Well, nonsense, it’s just that all this Caudle has not yet been transplanted
    7. Vend
      Vend 23 November 2017 15: 03
      0
      talked about the status of Crimea, "proceeding from the norms of international law"
      In order to talk about international law, you need to know him, and Sobchak knows only the wishes of the West. Under international law, Crimea returned to Russia on the basis of a referendum.
    8. Thracian warrior
      Thracian warrior 23 November 2017 15: 12
      +1
      If I was a citizen of the Russian Federation, then I voted for her. Great woman.
      1. Slovak
        Slovak 23 November 2017 22: 10
        0
        So are you an enemy of Russia?
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 November 2017 22: 53
        +2
        Quote: Thracian warrior
        If I was a citizen of the Russian Federation, then I voted for her. Great woman.

        Sit on a deer and go straight to House-2. There, such as you are a corral.
    9. venik
      venik 23 November 2017 16: 38
      0
      Quote: scrap123
      Horse stall ...

      ========
      Duc, and "erysipelas" is then "horse" ........
      The horse is "she" and in "Africa - HORSE" !!!
    10. Maz
      Maz 23 November 2017 17: 21
      0
      She should be planted, but they show her on TV. Is it immortal? Or bait for rear rats?
    11. Slovak
      Slovak 23 November 2017 22: 09
      0
      and shoe ...
    12. Primoos
      Primoos 24 November 2017 15: 35
      +1
      Secular hyena fussed. The magic formula is international law that covers its meanness and stupidity. And this horse wants to become a president? Why the hell is Russia such squalor?
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 November 2017 14: 22
    +1
    Ksyushad "hit"? Yah? That would be great!
    1. Tatanka Yotanka
      Tatanka Yotanka 23 November 2017 16: 51
      +3
      Ksyushad is the level at which the government can act, why not check the senator’s mother who wants to destroy the Russian people?
  3. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 November 2017 14: 24
    +5
    She simply does not know that “proceeding from the norms of international law”, and not from her sponsors, Crimea is part of Russia even on the basis of the referendum of 2014, not to mention the controversial decree of Khrushchev on the transfer of Crimea to Ukraine.
    Although the USSR was also wrecked with a mind in violation of these very norms.
  4. K-50
    K-50 23 November 2017 14: 29
    +2
    Belonging to this or that state should be determined by the people living in that territory by means of a nationwide will in the form of a referendum, which was in the Crimea, but by no means an "international" opinion and their hangers-on in the form of "secular lionesses" and other "intelligentsia". request fool
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 23 November 2017 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: K-50
      Belonging to this or that state should be determined by the people living in that territory by means of a nationwide will in the form of a referendum, which was in the Crimea, but by no means an "international" opinion and their hangers-on in the form of "secular lionesses" and other "intelligentsia". request fool

      I fully support.
      Prosecutor’s check started on Sobchak’s statement about Crimea

      That's what a clever man came up with the idea of ​​PR stupid chicken?
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 23 November 2017 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: Balu
        That's what a clever man came up with the idea of ​​PR stupid chicken?

        Just so, even flies do not fly. Ksenia, a candidate for presidency of the Russian Federation among the audience of "House-2" will raise its popularity above the roof. And, if the ballot rolls before the election, then a couple of percent of the vote will be delayed. The same viewers of "House-2" and citizens insulted by the state will vote for it. Those that are "against everyone." And Ksenia will later sell these voices to the "Duma elders" or exchange them for oats.
  5. Gardamir
    Gardamir 23 November 2017 14: 30
    +2
    This exalted persecution of Ksyusha is completely incomprehensible. Maybe she was just worried.
    1. igorka357
      igorka357 23 November 2017 14: 35
      +1
      Ah ha ha .. dear, I hope it was sarcasm .. laughing ?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 23 November 2017 16: 21
        +1
        sarcasm
        just repeated the words of a certain Peskov, in the world known as Navkin ...
    2. Krabik
      Krabik 23 November 2017 17: 26
      0
      Her mother was also worried when she proposed to destroy the people.
  6. Sergey53
    Sergey53 23 November 2017 14: 31
    +1
    God forbid us such a president.
    1. K-50
      K-50 23 November 2017 15: 31
      +1
      Quote: Sergey53
      God forbid us such a president.

      And don’t say, everything is about ..est, it’s better to drink it. laughing
  7. Kleber
    Kleber 23 November 2017 14: 32
    0
    that “she didn’t say anything criminal”, noting that she was discussing the status of Crimea, “andcoming from international law".


    This is where she managed to learn international law?
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 23 November 2017 17: 00
      +2
      Quote: Kleber
      that “she didn’t say anything criminal”, noting that she was discussing the status of Crimea, “andcoming from international law".


      This is where she managed to learn international law?

      This is her innate wassat
  8. fedor13
    fedor13 23 November 2017 14: 34
    -1
    Here the farmer was shown in the news, he made the road to the village where 5 grandmothers live for himself too. he is attracted for damage to the environment and ecology. The court ruled to restore the road (direction). If they were punished, but here I’ll get out on the sides. The court has its own purely negative opinion.
  9. Piramidon
    Piramidon 23 November 2017 14: 36
    +4
    Well, what? Democracy, damn it.
  10. LUCKY777
    LUCKY777 23 November 2017 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: Gardamir
    This exalted persecution of Ksyusha is completely incomprehensible. Maybe she was just worried.

    Others
    Quote: jjj
    In fact, there’s really nothing to attract. For she is not an official person, expressed her personal opinion and did not call for anything bad

    It doesn’t matter what kind of official person she is or not, there is an article, and she called for reconciliation with Ukraine at any cost, i.e. and at the cost of the return of Crimea, I interpret its phrase in the context of the said non-recognition. She did this using the media, which is enough to verify for sure. Other people received the terms simply for reposting pictures like “Crimea is not ours” on social networks, they are, of course, coordinators of movements for the return, but still, if the law works on some people, and she decided to pretend to be a horse, this is a mess, people during the referendum are free and risked their lives, and she sculpts a hunchback.

    As for bullying - a boy stab with a girl still pity. I would have sat in my frontal place and would have argued who is whose and who is not whose, and no one would say anything to her, and so her language will bring to Kiev.
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 23 November 2017 15: 08
      +1
      If reconciled in this way, then we will not have enough land.
      1. K-50
        K-50 23 November 2017 15: 34
        0
        Quote: Sergey53
        If reconciled in this way, then we will not have enough land.

        Already passed this: "And how is the Crimean volost?"
  11. pvv113
    pvv113 23 November 2017 14: 47
    +3
    Quote: forester
    How good she would look for a sewing machine in the “zone”

    1. Dead duck
      Dead duck 23 November 2017 15: 59
      +7
      hi
      it is a screw-cutting lathe ... type 16K20 winked
      although everything is the same for her ...
      1. pvv113
        pvv113 23 November 2017 16: 01
        +1
        That's it, she still doesn’t distinguish him from a sewing machine wink
  12. Altona
    Altona 23 November 2017 14: 56
    0
    Check and apologize. What's the news?
  13. Altona
    Altona 23 November 2017 14: 58
    0
    Quote: Kleber
    This is where she managed to learn international law?

    ----------------
    Yes, it seems like MGIMO graduated with honors. The truth worked mainly as a show-woman.
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 23 November 2017 15: 12
      0
      In the power-ups, too, all universities ended up in power. And as they begin to swim up to the sea coast of Belarus, they already take the scum.
  14. Thracian warrior
    Thracian warrior 23 November 2017 15: 19
    0
    Recall that the applicants require prosecutors to consider the application of Ksenia Sobchak for a possible denial of the territorial integrity of Russia, which is a crime under the law.


    A violation of the integrity of Ukraine is normal, right? laughing
    1. K-50
      K-50 23 November 2017 15: 36
      +1
      Quote: Thracian Warrior
      A violation of the integrity of Ukraine is normal, right?

      So the people living there decided. request
      1. Thracian warrior
        Thracian warrior 23 November 2017 15: 49
        0
        And if tomorrow that people decides back to Ukraine - let go ??? - there will already be a violation of the integrity of the Russian Federation, an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, etc. Is this not a double standard? Essence Imperial Greed only add territories.

        By the way, Yanukovych’s invitation to your special forces with an open target to violate the integrity of Ukraine is also forbidden to him by the Criminal Code of the Republic of Uzbekistan and before the referendum it was an occupation! laughing
        1. K-50
          K-50 23 November 2017 16: 07
          +1
          Quote: Thracian Warrior
          And if tomorrow that people decides back to Ukraine, release ???

          You forgot the background of the event.
          A fascist coup took place in the country, then the truth was it was not yet obvious. But! The president, who was legitimate at that time, was overthrown in the country, in the country, in theory, there was anarchy. When was the referendum in Crimea and when was the "chocolate pig" elected?
          The then authorities in the faces of Turchinov and Co. were not elected, but self-appointed by the putschists and had no right to decide anything, much less to declare the ATO, which was done by "Pastor Turch".
          And about whether the people of Crimea want to go back to Urkaina. You yourself are not funny? belay
          Looking at what is happening there, I think that they lit more than one candle in the Temples to save their life And you cannot lure them back into that cesspool with a bulldozer.
  15. Altona
    Altona 23 November 2017 15: 28
    0
    Quote: Sergey53
    In the power-ups, too, all universities ended up in power. And as they begin to swim up to the sea coast of Belarus, they already take the scum.

    ----------------------------
    I know it. And that Ksyusha with her remarks on the educated does not pull. Maybe she visited alma mater sometimes, but she does not shine with knowledge.
    1. Sergey53
      Sergey53 23 November 2017 20: 57
      0
      I think it will be missed for tolerance, unless of course it gets votes. But it’s good for a panorama.
  16. RL
    RL 23 November 2017 16: 13
    +2
    And laughter and sin. Do prosecutors have nothing else to do?
    According to (and Russian) laws, she is right.
    It will be necessary to rewrite the constitution under the "patriots". In the sense: "around enemies and inside enemies, only holy oligarchs"
  17. gukoyan
    gukoyan 23 November 2017 16: 37
    0
    At least she turned on her head when she said ... There are no brains, consider a cripple.
    Hype hype, but when the prosecutor is interested in this hype, there will be no black PR)
  18. Romanenko
    Romanenko 23 November 2017 17: 07
    0
    It will pay off, a female dog, but at least they scare it a little. And that’s good.
  19. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 23 November 2017 17: 20
    +1
    I propose to deprive of Russian citizenship with confiscation and to send it. soldier
  20. unignm
    unignm 23 November 2017 17: 32
    0
    stupid woman. Looks even oval creases and doesn’t speak.
  21. tv70
    tv70 23 November 2017 17: 33
    0
    The sleep of reason begets monsters! I am sick? Am I raving? It seems that once I crossed the border of the real world!
  22. nord62
    nord62 23 November 2017 17: 37
    +1
    So in her face it is written that she is a criminal .... for the grand dosos pin-up-owl!
  23. kefan
    kefan 23 November 2017 18: 07
    0
    Yes, send this Ksyusha-horse to mine uranium mines, maybe there would be more benefit from it for the country there.
  24. Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan 23 November 2017 19: 00
    0
    The situation is comparable to the elections in the United States: Ksyusha, as Trump, opposes the persecution of Democrats and feminists in the role of which cheers are patriots. lol
    1. Nikolay73
      Nikolay73 24 November 2017 13: 24
      0
      ... is that you now, really ?! :)
  25. ljoha_d
    ljoha_d 23 November 2017 19: 42
    +1
    YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!! HERE IT AT THE ZOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR A LONG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  26. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 23 November 2017 19: 47
    +1
    Is it time to “sit down” with this energetic lady ?! Under Stalin, she would have been shot at all. And they’d do it right. Because of such figures here, such a scum in the country happens.
  27. Nemesis
    Nemesis 23 November 2017 20: 33
    0
    Another parody of justice in the style of Vasilyeva ... Sobchak should be in prison under Article 280 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, if there is a law in the Russian Federation, and if it is not, then the dictatorship of lawlessness and Russophobia in the Russian Federation ...
  28. Sektant
    Sektant 23 November 2017 21: 48
    +1
    I believe that this hut is paid too much attention, which is what she needs. They began to forget her order, so she reminded herself of herself in this way. She is confident in her election loss, the main thing is PR!
  29. bondxnumx
    bondxnumx 23 November 2017 23: 17
    0
    Loch Kaczynski flew, and the horse agreed))))))
  30. Nikolay73
    Nikolay73 24 November 2017 13: 41
    0
    I think that on what positions she will stand - she is with her husband or there, with whom she discusses privately, and what about the Crimea, if so correct, let her go to Crimea with a Ukrainian visa and communicate with Crimeans ... you can still Kosovo to Serbia to return both Alaska of Russia and America to the Indians if there is absolutely no coast. She doesn’t even hide the fact that she is trying to turn the elections into a farce with her presence and the country and its population, and regarding the checks - there are people’s appeals - we need to check or we still, for the sake of no one knows, and other state institutions to be a farce will we turn? She does business here ... but here there is something to think about ...