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Living space for the elite. Ukraine wanted to clean up from the previous population

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17 January 1946 of the year in the Kiev House of Officers of the Red Army began a meeting of the military tribunal of the Kiev Military District, dedicated to the atrocities and atrocities of the German fascist invaders in the territory of the Ukrainian SSR. As is known, it is the territories of modern Ukraine and Belarus that have suffered the most from the war crimes of Nazi Germany. When 6 November 1943, the Red Army liberated Kiev, the soldiers and officers were amazed at the devastation, the horrors that came before their eyes. Tens of thousands of civilians in Kiev were killed, thousands - captured in German captivity.


Now in Ukraine, fairy tales are popular that Hitler Germany almost carried the liberation from the “horrors of Bolshevism” to the Ukrainian people. But then, in the distant 1946 year, all the actions of the “liberators” stood before the eyes of people who survived the horrors of the occupation. The defendants told about what was waiting for Ukraine - 15 war criminals from the number of officers and non-commissioned officers of the nazi police and special services appeared before the tribunal of the Kiev military district.

Living space for the elite. Ukraine wanted to clean up from the previous population


Before the start of World War II, about 910 thousands of people lived in Kiev. As in many other Ukrainian cities, a significant part of the population of the city were Jews - their number in percentage ratio exceeded 25% of the total population of the city. After the start of the war, 200 thousands of Kiev residents were mobilized to the front - almost all able-bodied men. About another 35 thousand people went to the militia. Approximately 300 thousand people were evacuated. Worst of all was those who remained at the time of the capture of the city by the Germans. Hitler's troops entered Kiev 19 September 1941, and hosted it for more than two years - until November 1943. Soon after the capture of the city began massacres of civilians. 29-30 September 1941, at Babi Yar, Hitler's executioners killed 33 thousands of 771 Soviet citizens of Jewish nationality.

In total, over two years, about 150 thousands of Soviet citizens — not only Jews, but also Russians, Ukrainians, Poles, Gypsies, people of other nationalities — were killed in Babiy Yar. But after all, the Nazis were engaged in the mass destruction of Soviet citizens not only at Babi Yar. So, only in Darnitsa, 68 of thousands of Soviet citizens, including civilians and prisoners of war, were killed. All in all, in Kiev, shot or killed in other ways about 200 thousands of Soviet citizens. The scale of the massacres of civilians, and not only the Jews, said that this is a real genocide. The Nazis were not going to keep alive most of the population of Ukraine.



The liberation of Ukraine not only saved most of its population from the prospect of total annihilation, but also brought the long-awaited retribution to the executioners. The trial of the executioners of Kiev took place after the war.

Here is a list of people before the tribunal:
1. Police Lieutenant-General Scheer Paul Albertovich - former head of the security police and gendarmerie of Kiev and Poltava regions;
2. Lieutenant-General of Police Burkhardt Karl - the former commandant of the rear of the 6 th Hitler army, operating on the territory of the Dnipropetrovsk and Stalin (Donetsk) regions of the Ukrainian SSR;
3. Major-General von Chammer und Osten Eckardt Hans - former commander of the 213-th security division, former commandant of the Main Field Commandant's Office No. 392;
4. Lt. Col. Trukkenbrod Georg - former military commander of Pervomaisk, Korosten, Korostyshev and several other cities of the Ukrainian SSR;
5. Captain Valizer Oscar - a former orthomendistant of the Borodyanskaya inter-district commandant's office of the Kiev region;
6. Lieutenant Chief Iogshat Emil Friedrich - commander of the field gendarmerie unit;
7. SS Chief Sturmführer Heinish Georg - Former District Commissioner of Melitopol District;
8. Lieutenant Knol Emil - former commander of the field gendarmerie 44 Infantry Division, commandant of camps for Soviet prisoners of war;
9. SS Ober-Scharführer Gellerfort Wilhelm - former head of the BD of Dneprodzerzhinsky district, Dnipropetrovsk region;
10. SS Sonderführer SS Beckenhof Fritz - the former agricultural commandant of the Borodyansky district of the Kiev region;
11. Police Chief of Staff Drachenfels-Kalyuvery Boris Ernst Oleg - former deputy commander of the company of the police battalion "Ostland";
12. Non-commissioned officer Mayer Willie - the former commander of the company of the 323-th separate security battalion;
13. Chief-Corporal Schadel August - former head of the office of the Borodyansk interdistrict ortendimentary station of the Kiev region;
14. Chief Efreytor Isenman Hans - a former soldier of the Viking SS division;
15. Chief Lauer Johann Paul, a soldier in the 73rd Separate Battalion of the 1st German tank army.

The main defendant at the trial was, of course, Police Lieutenant General Paul Scheer. From 15 in October 1941 to March 1943, Lieutenant General Scheer led the security police and gendarmerie in the Kiev and Poltava regions, being the direct executor of the criminal orders of the Hitler leadership on the genocide of the inhabitants of Ukraine. Under the direct command of Scheer, punitive operations were carried out to destroy thousands of Soviet citizens, thousands of Soviet citizens were hijacked to Germany, and a struggle was being waged against the partisan movement and underground workers. It was he who gave the most interesting testimony - not only about the circumstances of the destruction of Soviet citizens on the territory of Ukraine, but also about what awaited Ukraine as a whole - if Hitler had defeated the Soviet Union.

Prosecutor: How did Himmler raise the question of the fate of the Ukrainian population?
Scheer: He said that here, in Ukraine, you need to clear a place for the Germans. Ukrainian population must be exterminated.

It was the meeting at the main SS man that prompted Scheer, in his words, to proceed to the more cruel destruction of not only the Jewish and Gypsy, but also the Slavic population on the lands of Kiev and Poltava regions.



In fact, the plans of the “German world” (because it is not only the policy of Hitler’s Germany, but also the earlier aspirations of Austria-Hungary) included the establishment of control over the vast and rich lands of Ukraine for a long time. The idea of ​​separating Ukraine from Russia was fostered precisely in Austria-Hungary, since the Habsburg empire owned Galicia and counted, relying on the Russophobic part of the Galician nationalists, sooner or later to gain control over Ukraine. At the same time, the Austro-Hungarian leadership was not going to include all of Ukraine in the empire - it was counting on the creation of an independent Ukraine under the control of Vienna. Such a quasi-state would be a buffer between Austria-Hungary and Russia. But these plans failed to become a reality - in 1918, the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which lost the First World War, fell apart.

Unlike the Austro-Hungarian leadership, the Nazis viewed Ukraine not even as a buffer country for political games against Russia, but as a “living space” for the German people. It was to the east that the sphere of vital interests of the Germans was to expand. It should be noted that among the representatives of the political elite of Hitler's Germany there was no unity on the question of the future of Ukraine. Two points of view prevailed - “traditional” and “extremist”.
The "traditional" point of view was shared by the official ideologue of Hitler's Germany, Alfred Rosenberg. He saw in Kiev and in Ukraine a counterbalance to Moscow and the Russian civilization and insisted on creating a semi-independent Ukrainian state under German control. This Ukrainian state was supposed to be absolutely hostile to Russia. Naturally, the task of creating such a state required, firstly, the physical destruction of all "non-Ukrainian" and "unreliable" peoples on the territory of Ukraine - Russians, Jews, Gypsies, partly Poles, and secondly - support for Galician nationalists with their anti-Russian ideas and slogans .

The leader of the SS, Heinrich Himmler, adhered to the “extremist” point of view, and it was to her that the Fuhrer Adolf Hitler himself was ultimately inclined. She was in relation to Ukraine as a "living space" for the German nation. The Slavic population had to be partially destroyed, and partly to become slaves for the German colonists, who were to settle the lands of Ukraine. To accomplish this goal, Hitler chose a suitable candidate for the post of Reich Commissar - the governor of Ukraine - he was appointed honorary Obergruppenführer SS Erich Koch. 45-year-old Erich Koch, who came from a working-class family and was himself a simple railway employee in the past, was a rude and cruel man. On the sidelines, party members called him "our Stalin."

Alfred Rosenberg wanted to see Koch as Russia's Reich Commissar, since Russia planned to establish a more stringent regime than in Ukraine, but Adolf Hitler decided to appoint Koch to Ukraine. Indeed, it was difficult to come up with a candidate more suitable than Erich Koch to accomplish the task of “freeing living space”. Under the direct supervision of Erich Koch, incredible atrocities were happening in the territory of occupied Ukraine. During the two years of occupation, the Nazis destroyed more than 4 millions of people in Soviet Ukraine. Over 2,5 million people, again on the instructions of Koch, were taken into slavery in Germany.



“Some extremely naively imagine Germanization. They think that we need Russians, Ukrainians and Poles, whom we would force to speak German. But we do not need neither Russians, nor Ukrainians, nor Poles. We need fertile lands, ”these words of Erich Koch best characterize the position of the Reich Commissar of Ukraine regarding the future that the Slav population was waiting for.

Koch's subordinates, the same generals, colonels, majors, captains, lieutenants and non-commissioned officers of the German punitive services, regularly put this position of their boss into practice. About the testimony of Lieutenant-General Scheer, we wrote above. Lieutenant General Burckhardt also confirmed that the mass extermination of the civilian population in the territory of occupied Ukraine was due to the fact that the German command believed that the more people were destroyed, the easier it would be later to pursue a colonial policy on the development of the “new living space”. When the Kiev Military District Tribunal interrogated Captain Oscar Wallizer, a former Ortkomendant of the Borodyan Interdistrict Commandant's Office, he asked why it was necessary to brutally kill civilians and, as a German officer, “had to destroy the Soviet population to ensure a wider living space for the Germans ".



29 January 1946 of the year on Khreshchatyk was carried out the death sentence imposed by the main defendant tribunal of the Kiev Military District. Twelve German officers and non-commissioned officers were hanged on Khreshchatyk. But Erich Koch managed to escape the death penalty. He fled to the British occupation zone, where he lived under a false name. Koch took up farming, cultivated a garden, and maybe he could have avoided punishment. But the former high-ranking official unwittingly himself promoted his exposure - he began to actively speak at meetings of refugees. He was identified and soon Koch was detained by the British occupation authorities. In 1949, the British gave Koch to the Soviet administration, and she handed it over to the Poles, because under the leadership of Koch, there were atrocities on Polish territory. For ten years Koch spent waiting for a sentence, until 9 of May 1959 was sentenced to death. However, taking into account the state of health, they did not execute the former Reich Commissar of Ukraine, but replaced him with the highest measure with a life sentence. Koch lived in prison for almost thirty years and died only in 1986, at the age of 90.

History atrocities on the territory of Ukraine-a clear indication that the Nazis were not going to create some kind of independent Ukrainian state. The Slavic population was for the ideologues and leaders of Nazism "superfluous" on these fertile lands. Unfortunately, today, not only in Ukraine, but also in Russia, many people - and young people, and even the middle generation - are not quite aware of what the Soviet country would have had if Hitler Germany had won.
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  1. parusnik
    parusnik 24 November 2017 07: 26 New
    +9
    15 war criminals
    ... And how much has gone from punishment ...
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 24 November 2017 07: 39 New
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      Hitler’s main enemies in his Mein Kampf are not Jews at all, but Slavs.
      PS. Poland cleared the territories inherited from Austria-Hungary and the Russian Empire, the USSR, not only from the Russians (Rusyns), but also from the Ukrainians who so faithfully betrayed and sold the faith and name of their ancestors, obeyed the Vatican. Mazepathy and the desire to become "Europeans" did not conceive. This is all you need to know about a “civilized” Europe.
    2. Proxima
      Proxima 24 November 2017 08: 22 New
      +9
      On posters for the local (including Ukrainian) population, Goebbels propaganda tried in all ...
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 24 November 2017 08: 28 New
        +9
        And here is the "exclusive" poster, already intended for the Ukrainian population.
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 24 November 2017 08: 30 New
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        Goebbels propaganda permeated time and space and had to fulfill the Fuhrer’s thoughts: “In order to avoid an increase in the population that is undesirable for us in the eastern regions ... we must consciously pursue a policy of population reduction. By means of propaganda, especially through the press, radio, cinema, leaflets, brief brochures, reports, etc., we must constantly inspire the population with the idea that it is harmful to have many children. It is necessary to show how much money raising children costs, and what could be acquired with these funds. We need to talk about the great danger to the health of the woman to whom she is exposed while giving birth to children, etc. Along with this, the broadest propaganda of contraceptives should be launched. It is necessary to establish widespread production of these funds. The distribution of these agents and abortions should in no way be limited. The expansion of the abortion network should be promoted in every possible way ... The better the abortion will be, the more confidence the population will have in them. It is clear that doctors must also have permission to have abortions. And this should not be considered a violation of medical ethics ... "
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 24 November 2017 08: 44 New
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          Quote: avva2012
          Goebbels propaganda permeated time and space and had to fulfill the Fuhrer’s thoughts: “In order to avoid an increase in the population that is undesirable for us in the eastern regions ... we must consciously pursue a policy to reduce the population ...

          In this they were diligently helped by the Banderaites, to take at least the words of R. Shukhevych, who was recognized in 2007 as “the hero of Ukraine” (now an honorary citizen of Lviv, Ternopol, Ivano-Frankivsk), he convinced:
          “.. OUN must ensure that all those who recognized the Soviet regime are destroyed. Do not intimidate, but physically destroy! Do not be afraid that people will curse us for cruelty. Let half of the 40 million Ukrainian population remain - there is nothing wrong with that! ”

          But I'm scared, scared to look at this photo. The worst thing is that it WAS ...
          But it would not hurt the Ukrainian neo-Nazis to look at him so that they could see the black inside of "bright nationalist ideas."
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 24 November 2017 08: 51 New
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            In this they were diligently helped by Bandera

            In the midst of German military successes, he was replaced by the “Ost Master Plan”, which generally arranged for Hitler. According to this plan, the Nazis wanted to resettle 10 million Germans to the “eastern lands”, and from there to evict 30 million people from Siberia, and not only Russians. Many of those who glorify Hitler's accomplices as freedom fighters, if Hitler won, would also be subject to deportation. Over the Urals, it was supposed to evict 85% of Lithuanians, 75% of Belarusians, 65% of Western Ukrainians, 75% of the rest of Ukraine, and 50% of Latvians and Estonians. By the way, about the Crimean Tatars, about which our liberal intelligentsia loved to lament, and whose leaders to this day continue to pump rights. In the event of the victory of Germany, which most of their ancestors so faithfully served, they would still have to be deported from Crimea. Crimea was supposed to become a “purely Aryan” territory called Gotengau. The Fuhrer wanted to relocate his beloved Tyroleans there. "
            I think those who were engaged in the fact that in the photo would not be resettled to Siberia. Who needs rabid dogs?
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 24 November 2017 09: 06 New
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              Quote: avva2012
              I think those who were engaged in the fact that in the photo would not be resettled to Siberia. Who needs rabid dogs?

              These are not even dogs, these are not people. This should not be justified by any morality or ideology of any civilized society ...., well, perhaps, these "comrades" will find an excuse ...
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 24 November 2017 09: 11 New
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                You look at all this and the hand does not even reach for the gun, but to the trigger of the DShK.
                1. dSK
                  dSK 24 November 2017 11: 40 New
                  +4
                  The troops of the Armed forces of Ukraine tried to move sharply and take the position of militia of the Luhansk People's Republic. Such information was shared by the official representative of the LPR People’s Police Andrei Marochko. According to him, the forces of Ukrainian punishers consisted of two sabotage units of the Armed Forces in the amount of 15 people from the 58th OMBR. They tried to carry out a military provocation, having advanced in the direction of the positions of the militias. During the deployment of forces, one of the detachments was blown up by a mine. As a result, three Ukrainian soldiers died, and two more were injured. To cover up their retreat, saboteurs opened fire from large-caliber small arms, as well as mortars. "We watched the process of advancing the enemy and prepared to repulse his provocations," said Marochko at a press conference. He also added that such actions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine indicate that Kiev intends to further intentionally destabilize the situation in the region, even though there is an OSCE monitoring commission in the area of ​​hostilities. Marochko called on international observers to influence the Ukrainian regime and force him to stop provocations. (Orthodox Channel Tsargrad November 24.11.2017, XNUMX.)
                2. bodzu
                  bodzu 21 January 2018 16: 13 New
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                  The main thing is the spare trunks!
              2. BAI
                BAI 24 November 2017 11: 47 New
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                These are not even dogs, these are not people.

                No wonder everyone is trying to forget:

              3. nnz226
                nnz226 24 November 2017 12: 20 New
                +7
                The liberal humanists comrade Stalin and Beria did not shoot these cattle (pictured) and did not burn their birth to the 7 knee! Now: "maya, scho maya!"
                1. bodzu
                  bodzu 21 January 2018 16: 14 New
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                  I totally agree!
              4. valery954
                valery954 28 November 2017 13: 59 New
                +1
                The most humane way to cut these creatures to the 7th knee is otherwise everything will happen again!
          2. goland72
            goland72 24 November 2017 11: 38 New
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            I have a daughter of the same age now. As I imagine that they could have done this to her, I really want to go to a gathering of these surviving Banderaites and beat them there until I die.
            1. Proxima
              Proxima 24 November 2017 12: 22 New
              +5
              Quote: goland72
              I have a daughter of the same age now. As I imagine that they could have done this to her, I really want to go to a gathering of these surviving Banderaites and beat them there until I die.

              I have two daughters, the oldest is about the same age as yours. The thing is different, you are tormented by all of them "beat." The issue is not a specific individual, but the question is ideology, who benefits from it and what fertile soil it falls into. Here you are, the Bandera executioner energetically conveys the "lessons of skill" of the "growing" young.
            2. bodzu
              bodzu 21 January 2018 16: 16 New
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              They should not be beaten, but burned with flamethrowers and poison like rats. Because - This is not human.
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 24 November 2017 16: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          Goebbels propaganda permeated time and space and had to fulfill the Fuhrer’s thoughts: “In order to avoid an increase in the population that is undesirable for us in the eastern regions ... we must consciously pursue a policy of population reduction. By means of propaganda, especially through the press, radio, cinema, leaflets, brief brochures, reports, etc., we must constantly inspire the population with the idea that it is harmful to have many children. It is necessary to show how much money raising children costs, and what could be acquired with these funds. We need to talk about the great danger to the health of the woman to whom she is exposed while giving birth to children, etc. Along with this, the broadest propaganda of contraceptives should be launched. It is necessary to establish widespread production of these funds. The distribution of these agents and abortions should in no way be limited. The expansion of the abortion network should be promoted in every possible way ... The better the abortion will be, the more confidence the population will have in them. It is clear that doctors must also have permission to have abortions. And this should not be considered a violation of medical ethics ... "

          My friend, what did it attract you to the ravings of a demoniac? After all, the hedgehog is clear that "racially incomplete", that is, nothing good shone for us all.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 24 November 2017 16: 35 New
            +5
            Thank you for the "buddy", without irony. And as for, "nothing good shone for us all," this, you judge the minds of others by yourself. And it’s not even in the mind. Belly, sometimes it does such things with people .... A barrel of jam and a basket of cookies, a good argument. How do you think, if democracy comes to us now, then this training manual will not come in handy? But, after all, it is full of people who “sincerely believe” that they need to cleanse themselves of communist filth along with the military-industrial complex, nuclear weapons, introduce total entrepreneurship and then, we will definitely be accepted into a friendly family of peoples. And then, we all go wild.
        3. Heinrich ruppert
          Heinrich ruppert 25 November 2017 13: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: avva2012
          “In order to avoid an undesirable increase in the population in the eastern regions ... we must consciously pursue a policy to reduce the population. By means of propaganda, especially through the press, radio, cinema, leaflets, short brochures, reports, etc., we must constantly inspire the population with the idea that it is harmful to have many children. It is necessary to show how much money raising children costs, and what could be acquired with these funds. It is necessary to talk about the great danger to the health of the woman to whom she is exposed, giving birth to children, etc. Along with this, the broadest propaganda of contraceptives should be launched. It is necessary to establish widespread production of these funds. The distribution of these agents and abortions should in no way be limited. The expansion of the abortion network should be promoted in every possible way ... The better the abortion will be, the more confidence the population will have in them. It is clear that doctors must also have permission to have abortions. And this should not be considered a violation of medical ethics ... "


          Everything that you described here is introduced into everyday life in Germany.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 25 November 2017 14: 34 New
            +4
            I didn’t describe it, another said it, I just copied and pasted it. And, this is not JV Stalin, said about another country. In their state, the Germans, albeit, at least do what they do to themselves. The country, it seems, is independent. Therefore, a flag in their hands and a drum on their neck. I think this situation happens because the blood of the innocent cries out. She, after all, is not water. Or, they thought they had the right to kill, just like that? Not, as they say, naughty, everything comes back handsomely, sooner or later.
            1. Heinrich ruppert
              Heinrich ruppert 25 November 2017 15: 22 New
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              Quote: avva2012
              I didn’t describe it, another said it, I just copied and pasted it. And, this is not JV Stalin, said about another country. In their state, the Germans, albeit, at least do what they do to themselves. The country, it seems, is independent. Therefore, a flag in their hands and a drum on their neck.

              With this I fully agree

              Quote: avva2012
              I think this situation happens because the blood of the innocent cries out. She, after all, is not water. Or, they thought they had the right to kill, just like that? Not, as they say, naughty, everything comes back handsomely, sooner or later.

              But I disagree with this.
              For what, Russia, after all, it defeated this brutal regime. In Russia, I observe the same thing. And not only in Russia. I work in many countries and continents on duty. And meya bastard nature to get into where the lower classes live, that is, in the slum. The situation is about the same. I can describe what I saw with my own eyes. And talked to ordinary people.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 25 November 2017 16: 23 New
                +4
                For us, the reason is different. Living as if on a powder keg, not up to child love. Stability is needed, albeit poor, even if not quite well-fed, but stability. And faith in tomorrow. Like in the thirties or after the war.
      3. Monarchist
        Monarchist 24 November 2017 16: 55 New
        +1
        Proxima, I have the feeling that Goebbels looked at this poster somewhere and only added his own to the background. Something reminds of ours. Comrades, perhaps tell me what was the fundamental principle?
        1. Proxima
          Proxima 24 November 2017 19: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: Monarchist
          Proxima, I have the feeling that Goebbels looked at this poster somewhere and only added his own to the background. Something reminds of ours. Comrades, perhaps tell me what was the fundamental principle?

          No, this is an original poster. It’s just that the “fundamental principle” of Bolshevik socialism and national socialism (a balm for the soul of the “liberals”) is outwardly similar. Beyond the “only difference” that we strove for socialism for the man of labor, for the man-creator, and it does not matter what race he is. But the Germans, on the contrary, it doesn’t matter who you are, bourgeois, parasite, rentier, proletarian .. The main thing is that “Aryan” will be socialism to you, though the rest of the nation are slaves at best, and fertilizer at worst, but, it does not matter".
          That's why posters are similar ..
  2. Olgovich
    Olgovich 24 November 2017 07: 29 New
    +3
    As you know, it is precisely the territories of modern Ukraine and Belarus that have suffered the most from war crimes of Nazi Germany

    Not true: it’s known, but, unfortunately, little known, the only thing is that PEACEFUL Russian people, children, women, old people, died 7,5-8 million people.
    And this is more than Belarusians and Little Russians.
    1. andrewkor
      andrewkor 24 November 2017 07: 47 New
      +2
      Well, why is it so peremptory “False”, as if someone is trying to deceive you. The truth is that millions of civilians in different countries have died and who has more to measure, in my opinion, is not ethical. Under the influence of neo-Nazi ideology, they are trying to silence this genocide, what all healthy forces must withstand with all energy!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 November 2017 07: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: andrewkor
        Well, why is it so peremptory “False”, as if someone is trying to deceive you. The truth is that millions of civilians in different countries have died and who has more to measure, in my opinion, is not ethical. Under the influence of neo-Nazi ideology, they are trying to silence this genocide, what all healthy forces must withstand with all energy!

        Therefore, it was not necessary to focus attention specifically on Ukraine and Belarus, as the most affected.
        This is not true.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 24 November 2017 08: 52 New
          +4
          Quote: Olgovich
          This is not true.

          This is not what every fourth Belarusian was killed?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 24 November 2017 09: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: Boris55
            Quote: Olgovich
            This is not true.

            This is not what every fourth Belarusian was killed?

            It’s nothing that the Russian civilians were killed almost in 4 times morethan peaceful Belarusians?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 24 November 2017 09: 55 New
              +5
              Quote: Olgovich
              Is it nothing that almost 40 times more Russian civilians were killed than peaceful Belarusians?

              You would have calculated as a percentage of the total number of a particular nationality. We were all Russian and we were all subject to destruction. We will not be likened to dill.
              1. apro
                apro 24 November 2017 10: 43 New
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                Able to Russian racist Olgovich, divide Russian into Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians.
                Russia, Ukraine, Belarus one people, one state.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 24 November 2017 11: 44 New
                  +5
                  Racists have no nationality, in my opinion. So, you, about the "Russian", went too far.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 24 November 2017 19: 41 New
                    +1
                    Quote: avva2012
                    The racists no nationality.

                    WHAT, then, is a racist advocating if he does not have ..... nationality ?! lol fool
                    “When you speak, it feels like you are” (C). lol
                    1. Boris55
                      Boris55 24 November 2017 20: 27 New
                      0
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      WHAT, then, is a racist advocating if he does not have ..... nationality ?! lol fool

                      Tell me, is there a difference between race and nation? laughing
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 25 November 2017 07: 07 New
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                        Quote: Boris55
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        WHAT, then, is a racist advocating if he does not have ..... nationality ?! lol fool

                        Tell me, is there a difference between race and nation? laughing

                        Teach: Racism is a reactionary theory based on the anti-scientific assertion about the inequality of races about the allegedly historical necessity of the domination of the "higher", "full" races over the "lower", "inferior" ones.
                    2. avva2012
                      avva2012 25 November 2017 03: 45 New
                      +2
                      “When you speak, it feels like you are” (C).

                      When, you say, there is a feeling that you have your own logic, personal, which has nothing to do with the logic of other people. "Racism", this ideology and its bearer, ceases to be Russian, German, hyperborean wassat He, simply, is the bearer of ideology. For me personally, that Russian racist, that Anglo-Saxon, one field of berries. A subspecies of nonhumans.
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 25 November 2017 07: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: avva2012
                        "Racism", this ideology and its bearer, ceases to be Russian, German, hyperborean

                        Yes: Hitler is not German lol fool
                2. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 24 November 2017 14: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: apro
                  Able to Russian racist Olgovich ,.

                  Learn: Racism is a reactionary theory based on the anti-scientific assertion that the races are unequal, about the supposedly historical necessity of the domination of the "higher", "full" races over the "lower", "inferior" ones.

                  Have you learned? Now show: WHERE do I have "lower", "higher"?
                  Had a heap. lol
                  Quote: apro
                  .
                  Russia, Ukraine, Belarus one people, one state.

                  Yes of course! But did you share it, have you already forgotten the Leader?
                  I recall:
                  "Further, I have a note saying that we Communists are allegedly planting Belarusian nationality artificially. This is not true because it exists Belarusian nation, The same speeches were made about five years ago about Ukraine, aboutused by the Ukrainian nation. And recently it was said that the Ukrainian Republic and the Ukrainian nation - fiction of the Germans. Meanwhile, it is clear that Ukrainian nation exists, and the development of its culture is the responsibility of the Communists. You can’t go against history. It is clear that if Russian elements still prevail in Ukrainian cities, then over time these cities will inevitably be Ukrainianized.
                  Now tell me which of these provisions does not sign Yarosh?
                3. long in stock.
                  long in stock. 24 November 2017 17: 43 New
                  +4
                  he’s not a racist. it’s something that they put a loop on the photo at the confluence of the people ...
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 November 2017 13: 53 New
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                Quote: Boris55
                You would have calculated as a percentage of the total number of a particular nationality. We were all

                It didn’t occur to me. But you calculated the percentage:
                Quote: Boris55
                every fourth Belarusian was killed

                Forgot?
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 24 November 2017 16: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Forgot?

                  My school years passed in Belarus and I always remember this.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 24 November 2017 19: 34 New
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                    Quote: Boris55
                    Quote: Olgovich
                    Forgot?

                    My school years passed in Belarus and I always remember this.

                    And they didn’t even know about the Russians ....
        2. badens1111
          badens1111 25 November 2017 18: 23 New
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          This is not true.

          Well, because you are a little talker, you are also an Russophobe to an extreme degree. Belorussia has lost one in four. Everything that has been built has been destroyed and you, in your own russophobic anti-Soviet attitude, have already come to reproaches to Belarus, and Ukraine too?
          The greatest losses in the war. Among Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians, the triune people, ethnic group-RUSSIAN
    2. long in stock.
      long in stock. 24 November 2017 17: 41 New
      +4
      and what do you have to do here? if you were there at that time, you would love to go with a bandage policeman ... look at olgovich, in the pictures with rifles and bandages you and you like you personally .. if they were the first to kill not Russian or Ukrainian, not Belarusians with Poles .. they killed the Soviet. in what they were joyfully helped by the olgovichs and others like you ...
  3. XII Legion
    XII Legion 24 November 2017 07: 52 New
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    It must be remembered
    And to note that criminals are punished a little
    Why Koch escaped punishment and why it was necessary to pass it on to the Poles is not clear. They would create a joint tribunal.
    Thank you!
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 24 November 2017 16: 07 New
      +3
      Why Koch escaped punishment and why it was necessary to pass it on to the Poles is not clear.

      policy. The same why Mannerheim and other Finns quite evaded punishment. "Earned post-war allies" ...
  4. SAF
    SAF 24 November 2017 08: 14 New
    +3
    To Kolya from Urengoy and others with a delegation to the Bundestag to the sympathetic invaders - to force them to read similar articles and documents and exams.
    And then before the deputies of the Duma to make abstracts
    1. Severomor
      Severomor 24 November 2017 10: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: SAF
      To Kolya from Urengoy and others with a delegation to the Bundestag to sympathetic invaders - to force reading similar articles

      This can not be, they are likely to read about the brutally executed by the bloody Stalinist regime, who did not want to fight all the performers
  5. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 24 November 2017 10: 28 New
    +1
    In the Bundestag it had to be read, the whole article. So to say, history lesson for the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of German criminals. German schoolchildren should speak with the words of reconciliation and repent for the “affairs” of their grandfathers on the territory of the republics of the USSR during the years of that war ...
  6. nnz226
    nnz226 24 November 2017 12: 18 New
    +3
    In Babi Yar, Nazi executioners of Ukrainian nationality killed OUN men and other trash from Bandera and Shukhevych.
  7. Curious
    Curious 24 November 2017 14: 14 New
    +2
    "Nowadays, fairy tales that Hitlerite Germany almost brought the Ukrainian people liberation from the" horrors of Bolshevism "are popular in Ukraine.
    I would strongly recommend that the author familiarize himself with the question before writing such things.
    For example, a paragraph from the official history textbook for Ukrainian high school, which anyone can see on the website http://pidruchniki.com/1957120344783/istoriya/oku
    patsiya_ukrayini_viyskami_nimechchini_soyuznikiv_
    chervnya_1941_lipnya_1942.
    Yes, this is not an example of historical objectivity. A lot of bullshit. But the popularization of fascist Germany is not there either.
    I will give it specifically for those who doubt the original language. Fundamental "incomprehensible" and "unrecognizing" Ukrainian languages ​​can use Google for translation.

    Ukraine in the rocky nimetsky occupation
    1. Having saved Ukraine, they have been divided into parts of the country: - Bukovina, Odessa and the Izmir oblasts, part of the Vinnytsia and Mykola oblasts boulevards of Romania. The land was abolished by the name "Transnistria";

    - Galichina at once with Polish territories entered the warehouse of the okrug governor general;

    - the majority of Ukrainian lands has reached the warehouse of the Reichskomu sarіatu "Ukraine" in the charity with a fanatical Nazi, kat Ukrainian people E.Kokh. The administrative approval included 63,6% of the total territory of Ukraine;
    o front-line areas (Chernigivska, Sumska, Kharkivska oblast, Donbas)
    2. Vidovodno to the "theory of racial blame for the death of the nation", the Ukrainian people gave the masses a blessing. Helpful genocide against the Jewish people.
    Ukraine has shaved with concentration camps, prisons, geto. Practically, in the Ukrainian leather bouvet community, “Babin Yar”: 220 yards were poured in Babinom Yar in Kiev, pysad yards were sent in Kharkiv, 60 yews in Drobitsky Yar, and 160 yards in Lviv in Yanivskyi collection. It is important that the whole Ukrainian population of the Jewish nationality. And in Ukraine in total, 3,9 million civilians and 1,3 million civilians were killed during the payback period.
    3. The Hitlerites plundered the material and human resources of Ukraine. Before N_mechchini, food, possessions, syrovine, koshnovostі, black soil, and also working force were imported. From Ukraine, on the primus robots, 2,4 million people were delivered to N_mechchini.
    Schob to protect more effectively the operation of the Ukrainian village, they saved the collective college.
    4. They dispensed with the posting of food, medical services, and sanctification. Ukrainians overturned on the people of the "third grade".
    Thus, the occupation regime was identified as a vinyatka horstokіstyu. Ale vin appeared to be more effective, without having secured subjugate the Ukrainian people. Navpaki, the Nazi "new order" exclaiming the Masov ruch Support in Ukraine.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 24 November 2017 15: 00 New
      +3
      Yo, my, but how can Ukrainians in such a language speak about serious things? The language is very beautiful, but intended for sincere songs, though. At a funeral, it’s better in Russian, otherwise it’s not a funeral, but some kind of circus. You read, understand what is written, a tragedy, but it is not possible to read seriously. Sorry if whose feelings hurt. hi
      1. Curious
        Curious 24 November 2017 15: 19 New
        +3
        You know, doctor, in the world, according to various sources, from 3000 to 6000 languages. And for each of the speakers these languages ​​are quite comfortable. Because there is such a concept - a native speaker.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 24 November 2017 16: 15 New
          +4
          I know, but, thank you, OUN and UPS, cause certain associations and it is very difficult to switch. I understand that the irony of evil turned out, but it happens, to my deep regret, that soon, Ukrainian will be perceived as German after the war. And the reason for this will be not only the 1 channel with Kisilev.
    2. Monarchist
      Monarchist 24 November 2017 16: 35 New
      +2
      Curios, thank you for the quote.
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 24 November 2017 17: 22 New
        0
        "But if you are stupid like a tree, you’ll be born a baobab and you’ll be a baobab for thousands of years ......" The smart one would just write - "... Curious, thank you for the quote.
  8. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 November 2017 16: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    As you know, it is precisely the territories of modern Ukraine and Belarus that have suffered the most from war crimes of Nazi Germany

    Not true: it’s known, but, unfortunately, little known, the only thing is that PEACEFUL Russian people, children, women, old people, died 7,5-8 million people.
    And this is more than Belarusians and Little Russians.

    What's true is true
  9. Monarchist
    Monarchist 24 November 2017 16: 43 New
    0
    Quote: apro
    Able to Russian racist Olgovich, divide Russian into Ukrainians, Belarusians and Russians.
    Russia, Ukraine, Belarus one people, one state.

    It would be strange if he begins to count how many “unfortunate Germans died in Russia” —only the highly specialized USE experts in a puddle.
  10. Head Physician
    Head Physician 24 November 2017 18: 45 New
    16
    Poor Ukraine
    Forever out of luck
  11. polpot
    polpot 24 November 2017 19: 55 New
    +2
    And not one Bandera is very sorry
  12. long in stock.
    long in stock. 25 November 2017 07: 21 New
    +1
    Olgovich,
    Hitler is an Austrian .. again your education is lame ..
  13. avva2012
    avva2012 25 November 2017 08: 17 New
    +1
    Olgovich,
    Hitler, not German fool
    Not. "Hitlers come and go, but the German people remain." As you can see, he was brought out of this nationality. Inhumans, has no nationality, Olgovich. wink
    1. Mikado
      Mikado 25 November 2017 17: 20 New
      +3
      yesterday, the Doctor, after reading the comments of respected people (including dear Viktor Nikolaevich), I decided to look for a photo and came across this book.
      http://militera.lib.ru/research/dukov_ar/index.ht
      ml
      let's say this: susceptible - do not read. Hair on the ass and other places will stand on end from the description of the "arts" of the occupiers - from the border to Stalingrad.
      Alexey Tolstoy, the author of Pinocchio, not just died. There is a version that he developed oncology precisely during his work as part of the commission on the atrocities of the invaders. Seen enough ... heard enough .. honor and glory to him! Someone went crazy, but he ... let everything through him. hi
      I say, I have a rare book, there were 100 copies of the whole circulation. The author survived 4 years of captivity, survived, survived tuberculosis and described it all. But he was still lucky. Some were killed on the spot, in savage ways - people were having fun ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 25 November 2017 17: 46 New
        +3
        Thank you, Nicholas. I will definitely read it. But, one of the most brutal books is “The Punishers” by Ales Adamovich.
        The story of the Young Guard, Krasnodon (I don’t know, is on the Internet, those materials are not) there, complete horror, indescribable. We read out at classroom how it was. What they turned into, these animals, almost children. And there it was mainly business leaflets. Yes, I heard that people went crazy on the exhumation of bodies. Moreover, not their relatives. How, to my generation, you can’t imagine a student in the Reichstag. I don’t understand why, someone, does it. Would you wait when we died. Do they have time or do not have time?
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 25 November 2017 17: 55 New
          +4
          But, one of the most brutal books is “The Punishers” by Ales Adamovich.

          in “Go and See”, according to his script, only a small fraction is shown, even the slightest ...
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 25 November 2017 18: 04 New
            +1
            But how! shown! Nevertheless, it is not a matter of “realism,” which modern meters sin by replacing talent with special effects. Eisenstein in “The Battle of the Ice” did not take pictures of the child burning, but the frame was such that his fists clenched involuntarily.
      2. LeonidL
        LeonidL 26 November 2017 04: 12 New
        +1
        As a rule, extremely honest books are published in extremely scanty circulation ... or are not published at all. For example: “Pinsk Military Flotilla” - the only book fully documenting the entire combat path, combat strength and biographies of all those who managed to somehow find. Published in 100 copies. The beautiful painfully honest memoirs of General Petrov's “The Past with Us” were published in a minimal print run and most of his notes have never been published. No one loves the truth, alas
        1. Mikado
          Mikado 26 November 2017 16: 16 New
          +2
          I agree with you, but this book is The Price of Errors (cover from it in the article https://topwar.ru/128150-nemnogo-o-tvorchestve-i-
          ego-mnogoobrazii.html) was written by a lay writer. A man simply spent the whole war in German camps, and threw out his emotions on paper. But since the text was written by him personally, with his own meaning and his speech, apparently, he published it for my money ... So I found it only in one place near Zelenogorsk - the author lived there. request
    2. long in stock.
      long in stock. 25 November 2017 23: 21 New
      +1
      does olgovich have no nationality? but what does it look like ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 26 November 2017 04: 18 New
        +2
        Liberalis vulgaris laughing The Great Russian chauvinist lives in Moldova. Born and lived most of his life in the USSR, but an ardent anti-Soviet. Of course not, there is nationality, "man of the world."
        1. long in stock.
          long in stock. 26 November 2017 05: 30 New
          +1
          only a person must be replaced by a humanoid ...
  14. 44 Locomotive
    44 Locomotive 25 November 2017 20: 33 New
    0
    there can be no talk of "peaceful coexistence" with the West! they strove, and will strive to destroy us. alas, they cannot be stopped ((there is only one way out: to physically destroy the west.
  15. LeonidL
    LeonidL 26 November 2017 04: 07 New
    0
    The sentence touches: "Marochko appealed to international observers with an appeal to influence the Ukrainian regime and force him to stop provocations." Is he really stupid? What kind of bleating seems to be a military man? To knock out Bandera bastards without talking and immediately - this is his normal reaction ... What is happening I do not understand and do not accept. the territory of Donbass free from occupation shrinks like shagreen leather, and in response only bleating and appeal to the mates from the OSCE.
  16. Savignon
    Savignon 26 November 2017 18: 05 New
    0
    I have a very tough question for everyone, forgive the hosspadi, the "historians" on the wages of writing about the atrocities of the Nazis. I carefully read the memoirs of all the Warriors who fought in this really Great and Holy Liberation War on the right side of Comrade Stalin, I pay special attention to the memoirs of the guerrilla heroes of this war, who destroyed the Nazis as part of the most selected partisan regular units behind enemy lines.
    So, the question is - why did not all those who remained and were annihilated leave our rear with our troops, or even better, did not leave our Soviet administrations long before the troops left? What were the civilians waiting for? Let me remind everyone who does not understand anything in the war — without exception, all Soviet enterprises, even in the border regions, had evacuation plans that stated that all employees and employees became mobilized for military service, orders of directors of factories and plants are orders of commanders and are executed without discussion, all exported property is exported, non-exported property is destroyed, people leave together with Soviet enterprises, so that attention! - in the rear, forge with your labor victory over the adversary.
    Do you understand my hint?
    Yes, someone remained for a pre-arranged underground work on reconnaissance and sabotage, but someone remained for the purpose of wrecking the Germans, as indicated in the memoirs of the famous partisan Ignatov. And the rest of what they expected from the arrival of the Nazis? What dividends? And what exactly was the disappointment and collapse of hope for cooperation with the Germans experienced by all those who were executed by them?
    The normal logic of normal people looks like this: if for health reasons I cannot pick up arms, then I will go inland, either with my company (how many factories have moved to the Urals?), Or I will go on foot and turn to work location and express a desire to work for the good of the country "all for the front, all for the victory" where they are sent.
    1. long in stock.
      long in stock. 26 November 2017 18: 45 New
      +1
      everything is so. but there are a couple of concrete but ... first and foremost, enterprises and skilled workers were evacuated. that there would simply not be enough transport to take out all the civilians. brutally, but this is so ... plus many did not want to leave, especially the peasants, to leave the economy and the cattle for the villager is a sharp knife. Yet the belief that they will smash the enemy and quickly drive them away is also impossible to get anywhere ... this is life and no one in any country was able to withdraw the entire population from the war zone during wars. try to put yourself in the place of the people of that time - the mentality was completely different then .. that’s what we think right afterwards .. and we didn’t expect such atrocities from the Germans. this is for the first time probably since the Mongols ..
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 27 November 2017 02: 45 New
      +1
      "The normal logic of normal people"
      It looks like the majority of the civilian population, anywhere and at all times, during the hostilities remained where they lived. It, this population, is called, therefore, “peaceful,” and only because of this, the killing of such people is called a war crime and has no statute of limitations.
      "Do you understand my hint?"
      Not yet. Rather, if, I understood how I understood, then your logic is not entirely human. Maybe I'm wrong.
  17. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 26 November 2017 19: 02 New
    0
    Nothing changed. The stupidity of "ukrov" is incurable. They cannot wait to be finished off, or at least lick the boots and toilets of a “civilized” Europe.
  18. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 26 November 2017 19: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Savignon
    So, the question is why all those who remained and were destroyed did not go to our rear along with our troops

    You have read the article inattentively. 200000 were mobilized, those who were not to be mobilized and did not want to work in the occupied territory went into partisans (about 35 thousand people) 300000 were evacuated. And in total there were less than 1 people. Count who stayed if a quarter of a million people were Jews.
  19. George Davydov
    George Davydov 27 November 2017 02: 27 New
    0
    Quote: "Racism is a reactionary theory based on the anti-scientific assertion about the unequality of the racial theory about the supposedly historical necessity of the domination of the" higher "," full "races over the" lower "," inferior. "
    Why is this correct definition not working correctly? If we turn to books holy for Jews, to the Bible on their basis, etc., then you will see this ideological superiority of the elect over the gentiles, who are closer to cattle, and whom their god, making believers God's servants, gave them into possession . And if we turn to the history of the conclusion of the Versailles Peace, then, as contemporaries describe, there were Jews as advisers and technical personnel there, as in our country after the destruction of the USSR. Thanks to this, both in Germany and in Russia, the economy was collapsed, people were in poverty, and successful ones got the opportunity to make huge fortunes. This is precisely what created the contempt and hatred of the Jews that Hitler used to bring to power and raise the economy to Jewish capital in the name of both unifying the Germans on the basis of anti-Semitism and destroying communism - an association of free workers. And this is understandable: God gave them into the possession of slaves, albeit with the epithet of God. Is it because genocide against the Slavs was always from the civilized west, which was directed by a very definite nation or race? True, they hid from the genocide of the Slavs behind the back of the Germans, but they themselves praised the Nazis for the laws adopted according to their books and helping them to keep compatriots in check, keeping them from assimilation. This is confirmed by the same Jew Soros, who at the age of 14 joined the Hitler Youth and helped the Nazis to catch Jews. At the same time, it is enough to read those who have shown on the basis of scientific research that the Holocaust, as a deliberately organized extermination of six million Jews, does not correspond to reality, that if it died, which is also grief and misfortune, then it is an order of magnitude less. But what is amazing, it is perceived as a lie, and those who seek the truth end up in jail, deprived of property, health and even life. And the casket, as they say, just opens: the Holocaust not only helps the arsonists to go into the shadows, but also get the notorious percentage for the notorious death of 6 million compatriots who were gas-burned, burned in crematoria, used as raw materials for lampshades, gloves, soap cooking and etc. And here the answer can be found in the holy books, where it is forbidden for a Jew to lie to a Jew, to take interest from him, to give meat to fallen cattle, etc., etc., etc. Now take Ukraine, and former Soviet republics: who was not just profitable to separate the peoples according to one or another sign, but also to pit among themselves? The answer will be clear if, following the statistics, you will find out in percentage of those who profit from all these reforms and privatizations, and, in fact, crimes against the Soviet People, of which Jews were an integral part.
  20. qwests
    qwests 27 November 2017 08: 19 New
    0
    However, given the state of health, they did not begin to execute the former Reich Commissioner of Ukraine, but replaced him with the highest measure for life imprisonment.

    that’s where the current Polish know-how came from. few, see, the Poles shot.
  21. Monarchist
    Monarchist 28 November 2017 16: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Mikado
    But, one of the most brutal books is “The Punishers” by Ales Adamovich.

    in “Go and See”, according to his script, only a small fraction is shown, even the slightest ...

    Books are one thing, and reading documents and still talking with living witnesses is a strange bomb. We all read in the literature about "gas chamber", and I had to talk with a man who was thrown into a gas chamber in childhood and he survived, his testimony was used at the Krasnodar trial in 1943, and Krasnodar is in RUSSIA (I hope I know everything about geography)
  22. zenion
    zenion 21 January 2018 16: 22 New
    0
    Only, did the Germans participate in bringing about a "new, real order"? In this article, some helpers have been forgotten. Which acted not only in Lviv, but also all the places that took place. In the town of Kosovo, Stanislavsky region, then Ivano-Frankivsk. With the gorochka, which has a cliff, they threw all the Jews who were found in the vicinity of this town. Not the Germans did it. You will never guess who, but I will not betray this secret.