Msta-S howitzers have become more accurate and quick-firing

Self-propelled howitzers "Msta-S" after upgrading increased the rate of fire by 25 percent. Instead of eight shells per minute, the gun can conduct aimed fire at a speed of ten shots per minute, the press service of the Russian Defense Ministry reports.

In addition, self-propelled guns have improved targeting accuracy.

The gun can now fire in a raid mode. The mode consists in the ability of a single weapon to simultaneously hit targets with several shots fired at different trajectories and different charges. This reduces the time spent setting on the firing position

- it is spoken in the message of military department.

In the process of modernization, the changes also affected the operational characteristics of the 2C19M2 Msta-S self-propelled howitzer. The driver's seat is now equipped with a computer that allows you to quickly obtain information about the state of the units of the power plant and chassis. Received armored vehicles and new digital communications.

Recall that the highly mobile armored self-propelled artillery "Msta-S" (according to NATO classification - "Farm", that is, "Farm") was put into service in 1989 year. The crew of five people. 42 self-propelled weight tons. The maximum travel speed is 60 kilometers per hour. The ACS has a 152 caliber millimeter cannon and is capable of firing high-explosive fragmentation, active-rocket jammers, as well as high-precision guided munitions Krasnopol. The maximum firing range is 29 kilometers.

To protect against high precision weapons enemy installation is equipped with a set of "Cape". This is a synthetic heat-insulating and radio-absorbing material, which makes the combat vehicle invisible, reports RG-Sil

Comments

[NEXUS]

The rate of fire of such self-propelled guns is a very important moment. And if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, then our MCAA is a world leader in this matter. But we are waiting for the Coalition, which is both long-range and faster-firing (16 rounds per minute).

[destination]

But what about the PzH 2000? On ren-tv watched some kind of military program.

[NEXUS]

Quote: destination

But what about the PzH 2000? On ren-tv watched some kind of military program.

PzH 2000 is capable of firing three shells in nine seconds or ten in 56 seconds at a distance of up to 30 km. The howitzer holds a world record - at a firing range in South Africa, she fired 56 km with a V-LAP (active-rocket projectile with improved aerodynamics).

I said that Msta is a world leader modernized in terms of rate of fire.

[Hagalaz]

And did the South Koreans also have something that was not frail and expensive? Whose sclerosis is stronger?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Hagalaz

And did the South Koreans also have something that was not frail and expensive? Whose sclerosis is stronger?

The K9 Thunder is heavier, weighs 47 tons, but a more powerful diesel at 1000 hp capable of accelerating a Korean car to 67 km / h. The K9 is armed with a 155-mm gun with a barrel length of the same 52 caliber, but the rate of fire of the South Korean howitzer is much larger and reaches 15 rounds per minute.

But, something seems to me that the rate of fire is slightly overestimated.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

But, something seems to me that the rate of fire is slightly overestimated.

Yes and no. Advertising is a dangerous thing.

[Lopatov]

Quote: NEXUS

And if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, then our MCTA is a world leader in this matter.

The unequivocal leader of all time is the product of the Swedish gloomy genius, self-propelled guns "Bandkenon". 14 shots in 45 seconds. Then to reload.
A similar situation is with the South Korean self-propelled guns K9. Three shells of the "first stage" in 15 seconds (the mode with the maximum probability for counter-battery combat). Then it is reduced to 6 rounds per minute when using ammunition from an automatic loader. Well and even less when using the remaining shells from a non-mechanized warhead.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Spade

Shovels Today, 10: 58 ↑ New
Quote: NEXUS
And if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, then our MCTA is a world leader in this matter.

The unequivocal leader of all time is the product of the Swedish gloomy genius, self-propelled guns "Bandkenon". 14 shots in 45 seconds. Then to reload.

The Americans in the 50-60s had a towed howitzer with a drum for 6 shells. She pulled them out for 30 seconds.

[Lopatov]

Bandcanon is faster. They just fired unitaries. And most likely, they did not restore the tip.
Well, as for all kinds of experiments and other things, the Soviet post-war 152 mm KM-52 anti-aircraft gun gave a technical, without restoring the tip, 16-17 rounds per minute with separate shell loading

[RASKAT]

Aha added rate of fire? How inflated fighters in the self-propelled guns planted or what? Everything in the Manual is charged as it is charging. And technically this is not feasible in this case.

As for me it would be better to fight for accuracy, all the same, these self-propelled guns fire batteries and divisions, with a massive salvo, the rate of fire of an individual unit does not play a special role, the main thing would be to go exactly once to hit the target.

[MoJloT]

Feel the difference.

[Mih1974]

He ran in parallel and evaluated mattresses are so “correct”, but I can’t imagine how they will demonstrate such “correctness” in real combat (with an answer). After all, such actions are brought to automatism and they simply cannot mentally shoot faster. And the slower you throw - the more chances you don’t have time to get away from the position before completing the task .
Once again, I am convinced that the American army (weapons) is built to war against the "poits", with the slightest opposition, all this cleanliness and "beauty" will either be destroyed and cease to function either due to a lack of "unsupported" spare parts (everything always breaks) or -for the action of the enemy.

[Aloemc]

Rather, the Coalition would already be in operation.

[d ^ Amir]

e-eeehhhhh !!!!!!!!! she would be ischo and range to increase ....

[NEXUS]

Quote: d ^ Amir

e-eeehhhhh !!!!!!!!! she would be ischo and range to increase ....

You know, our guns, rifles, machine guns and machine guns are no worse than Western ones, and in many ways better, but ... we are losing much to the West in the issue of producing high-quality gunpowders. When we learn how to make our own good gunpowder, which is not inferior to the western one, then slaughter will also increase in range.

[max702]

Not quite so, it is important for the MO’s requirement that this weapon should shoot with any 152mm shells up to those that were left from the tsar .. And I think no one will shy away at a 40km shell that has been 40 years old .. And moreover, all Western equipment basically has inflated character-ki, but ours, on the contrary, it’s true during operation that it crawls out as it was with the German self-propelled guns

[NEXUS]

Quote: max702

Not certainly in that way

Unfortunately, that’s exactly ... our gunpowder is worse and this is a fact. I’ll say more ... for example, sniper rifle cartridges are worse in our production line as well. We essentially produce a cartridge that was designed for the three-ruler a hundred years ago. At the same time, bullets in the in-line production are often not centered, which means that accuracy decreases significantly.

[max702]

Quote: NEXUS

Unfortunately, that’s exactly ... our gunpowder is worse and this is a fact. I’ll say more ... for example, sniper rifle cartridges are worse in our production line as well. We essentially produce a cartridge that was designed for the three-ruler a hundred years ago. At the same time, bullets in the in-line production are often not centered, which means that accuracy decreases significantly.

Again, this is a misunderstanding, our cartridges are slightly lower in quality but much cheaper .. and it’s precisely by the criterion of price and quality that they are ahead of the rest, and even the bourgeois recognized it .. in other areas as well, but we are losing some percentages, but on the whole the task is successfully fulfilled and for the sake of these few percent, it makes no sense to increase the cost of the product several times .. Alas, we live solely on what we have earned, and not rob the whole world .. I agree that it is necessary to work on the backlog, but after all, the “partners” do not sit idly by too ..

[Mih1974]

I support, I advise you to remember how, even under Kuchma, Bendera shot down a passenger plane over the Black Sea - at that time the main excuse at first was "yes the S-200 just does not fly that far." Yeah, SchAAAZ turned out to be flying further. Also noteworthy is the example of “calibers” the day after the live broadcast, one more or less sane military expert said “that, calabrom fired at 1500 km? This simply cannot be, these missiles have a range of only 300 km "(s)
And about the "miracles" of the German cannon - as I understand it, they shot in Africa, so when shooting with a "canopy" climatic conditions are of great importance, maybe this played a role.

[Hagalaz]

In my opinion, this applies to any military chemistry. The power of their conventional ammunition is higher than ours. Whether it’s shells or bombs, for example.

[Jedi]

Damir!

Quote: d ^ Amir

she would be ischo and range to increase ...

Increase - there was a recent article on the development of new shells.

[d ^ Amir]

Good afternoon!!!! Well, let's hope that not by 204 ... the troops will enter ...

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: d ^ Amir

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d ^ Amir Today, 10:33 am New
e-eeehhhhh !!!!!!!!! she would be ischo and range to increase ....

Duc, in the export version in the caliber 155mm NATO missile shell Mst for 41 km pounding
Those. making an appropriate new barrel and ammunition at 152mm for a range of 41km is not a technical problem, if you have an order from the General Staff and funding from the Moscow Region.

[Sergey53]

I have a feeling that they have been sitting in the General Staff since ancient times. A case from life: An inspector from Moscow came to our unit. Everyone introduces himself. He is introduced to him by the chief of missile and artillery weapons. In response, the person checking him answers that in his time they called him the head of the powder service. Therefore, we do not know where BMPT to attach and how many of them are needed? You can still find.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Sergey53

Sergey53 Today, 11:05 ↑ New
I have a feeling that they have been sitting in the General Staff since ancient times. A case from life: An inspector from Moscow came to our unit. Everyone introduces himself. He is introduced to him by the chief of missile and artillery weapons. In response, the person checking him answers that in his time they called him the head of the powder service.

As I remember, I remember ... And the head of the powder service himself could gloriously shoot from fuses and unicorns ...

[ZVO]

less than 20 years ...
As our military finally "guessed" that a "fire raid" is vital ...
That 20 years ago in the West they began to publicly show the "need" for this at all exhibitions ...

What is the “cloak”, what is the “mantle” —and do they even exist in the troops? What were the real purchases?
I've never read about real bulk purchases ..
Only exhibitions. layouts, advertising reports. attempts to sell abroad, etc.
And about purchases for us - there is not a word ..

[Lopatov]

Quote: ZVO

As our military finally "guessed" that a "fire raid" is vital ...

He is needed. like a fifth wheel to a dog. Is that to show off.

[maiman61]

I read an article that before the sanctions, ours managed to grab the latest cloak in one of the western countries, which did not even enter the arsenal of the "partners". Masks awesome! I think that ours have established a release.

[AID.S]

the ability of one weapon to simultaneously hit targets with multiple shots fired on different trajectories and different charges. Due to this, the installation time at the firing position is reduced

Wonderfully, three consecutive shots with different aiming are faster than three consecutive shots without changing the aim. There are no analogues !!!!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: AID.S

AID.S Today, 10:35 PM New
the ability of one weapon to simultaneously hit targets with multiple shots fired on different trajectories and different charges. Due to this, the installation time at the firing position is reduced

Wonderfully, three consecutive shots with different aiming are faster than three consecutive shots without changing the aim. There are no analogues !!!!

It reminds a joke:
A message on the Voice of America radio station: "News from Russia. Today Russian scientist Popov invented the radio!"

[svp67]

Quote: AID.S

Wonderfully, three consecutive shots with different aiming are faster than three consecutive shots without changing the aim

If you do not understand the issue, then you should not joke. Three shells flying along different trajectories give more chances to suppress or even destroy a target than three shells sent there along one trajectory ... This is the gain in time. In guarantee of the exact execution of the fire mission

[Lopatov]

Quote: svp67

If you do not understand the issue, then you should not joke.

Cutting is just worth it. The time spent on self-propelled guns by using this mode will not change. Is that the barrel is shot more. And not all shells will fly along the optimal path.
In addition, there is a large range limit when using this mode. Roughly, there is a certain “optimal” range for firing one type of projectile at which the maximum number of shells can be fired in pseudo-volley mode. With an increase or decrease in it, the theoretical number of shells in a pseudo-volley decreases.

[Lopatov]

The gun can now fire in fire raid mode.

This is called a pseudo volley. Well, what kind of specialists are there in the press service? Well, at least after the translators of Discovery did not call it "Flurry of Fire" 8)))
In general, any gun or mortar firing shots with a variable charge is capable of this. It’s just that without electronics, it’s quite stressful in terms of overloading both the calculation and the control cell of a senior battery officer. At the same time, without giving special preferences in comparison with a regular salvo. Indeed, the regime has a lot of shortcomings. Including the fact that out of all the shells, only one pseudo-salvo flies along the optimal path for this particular purpose

[voyaka uh]

Please explain in more detail. Why pseudo?
For example, there are two goals. They fire (for example) 6 shells.
How does this happen, in the sense of variable charges?
Or give a more accurate other example.

[Lopatov]

Quote: voyaka uh

Please explain in more detail. Why pseudo?

Because it is a salvo with one weapon. That is, theoretically, all shells fired from one gun should fly to the target at the same time.

When firing a single gun at one target with different charges, the shells will have a trajectory of different heights, which means different flight time:

So you can choose the time interval between shots so that shells or mines arrive at the target at the same time.
Google "Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact", for bourgeois it is called that.

[voyaka uh]

I get it. Very clear. Thank!

[Azazelo]

Well, they forgot to add that in the caliber 152mm there are tactical nuclear charges.

[svp67]

Thanks to this, the installation time at the firing position is reduced

What can not but rejoice ...

[alex-pmr]

We must not forget that after each shot it is necessary to restore the aiming point. From how quickly the gunner can restore it, the rate of fire depends on this. Well, of course, the mobility of the loader is also important. Therefore, the same gun can have a different rate of fire. It all depends on the skill of the calculation.

[Lopatov]

Quote: alex-pmr

We must not forget that after each shot it is necessary to restore the aiming point.

Restore the tip. Point pick-up thing a little different. Although if, for example, the aiming is carried out by the collimator, and it is set so poorly that it is overturned after each shot, then yes, you also need to restore the aiming point 8)))
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But seriously, you are absolutely right.
There is a technical rate of fire, there is a combat rate of fire. And one of the main ways to reduce the difference between them is to reduce the time to restore interference.
2S19 of the first issues could aim and restore the aiming in the machine only vertically. Over the horizon, this was done manually by the gunner. The upgraded can do this completely automatically, and the gunner inherently turns into an understudy. With this, an increase in the combat rate of fire is also associated.

[gorenina91]

-NATO 155 mm guns in "case of what" can shoot our 152 mm shells ... -But our 152 mm guns NATO 155 mm shells in "emergency cases" can no longer shoot ... -Or am I not right ..? -Who can explain ...

[Lopatov]

Quote: gorenina91

NATO 155 mm cannon in the "case of what" can shoot our 152 mm shells ..

Rather, just spit them out. "Killing" with the trunk. It's not an easy 82mm mortar

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Spade

Shovels Today, 12: 20 ↑ New
Quote: gorenina91
NATO 155 mm cannon in the "case of what" can shoot our 152 mm shells ..

Rather, just spit them out. "Killing" with the trunk.

Wow, shells fly anywhere.
Father told how in their division during the war our artillerymen tried to shoot German 152mm shells from 150mm howitzers because of hopelessness - they hit their ...

[Franciscan]

Quote: NEXUS

The rate of fire of such self-propelled guns is a very important moment. And if sclerosis doesn’t fail me, then our MCAA is a world leader in this matter. But we are waiting for the Coalition, which is both long-range and faster-firing (16 rounds per minute).

In modern warfare, range is equally important.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Franciscan

In modern warfare, range is equally important.

Right The larger it is, the more time the enemy has time to take shelter, or even completely leave the threatened area.
Even Australians, by no means leaders in military technology, have been using C-RAM radar for warning of artillery shelling for more than 6 years now.
And the greater the range, the longer the flight time. And that means the enemy’s reaction time. I am afraid that in modern wars the rate of fire at short distances is of greatest importance.