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Ukraine 2019: Putin is our president?

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At the very beginning of 2015, in a poll conducted by the Week, when asked if you would entrust the administration of the country, 84% of respondents answered: “Vladimir Putin”, and also 5% were ready to entrust the management of Ukraine to Alexander Lukashenko. And this is without the Crimea and the Donbass, a year after the start of the second Maidan and immediately after the defeat of the Kiev regime army in the Donbas ...

In 2014, during the march of the “Azovs” in Kharkov, an inconspicuous person, one of the founders of the Kharkov movement “Great Russia” Mikhail Onufienko (nickname Mikle1) started to crowd into their column. He took root in order to listen to what ordinary Nazis of Ukraine say not on camera, but among themselves. And they said between chants SUGS and curses to the president of Russia, that "Vladimir Putin is a peasant, we would have such a leader, we would then ..."



Here it is, the truth of life is not on the camera. Not the same as the one in which we are forced to believe.

In August, 2016, the third president of Ukraine, Viktor Yushchenko, in an interview with the Ukrainian edition of Apostrof, reported terrible figures for the Ukrainian man in the street.



“When we were doing sociology in the 2008 year, even when I was president, then 70% of Ukrainians wanted to be president of Putin. Then, in 2008 -2009, the question “Would you like to see Vladimir Putin as president?” More than half of Ukrainians answered “yes.”

What is this about? Each president of Ukraine, one and a half years before the re-election, is trying to build a strategy to repeat his success. And for this, he orders a case study. Not the one that is later published in the press, but the real one. It was this “sociology" that Yushchenko ordered in 2008. The result was then stunned by the Ukrainian political elite and its sponsors in Washington. It turned out that, as a result, the first Maidan had a consequence of a sharp increase in the popularity of Ukraine and its president in Ukraine.

What do Ukrainians like about Putin? Honesty, decency and attendant success. Just what almost no Ukrainian politician has. And where can they come from if the entire political elite of Ukraine was created under the conditions of the so-called two-vector, in which cynicism, unprincipledness, deceit, and ability to betray were considered the most important qualities?

This system cannot produce its own Putin, no matter how hard she tries to do this. Therefore, the sympathies of the Ukrainians were constantly on the side of foreign leaders. And Vladimir Putin and Alexander Lukashenko have always been the most respected ones.

According to a survey conducted by the sociological group Rating, at the very beginning of 2016 of the year, at the peak of the information war against Russia, 10% of Ukrainians supported the policies of Vladimir Putin.



And, as we see, then, instead of him, in the first place, the inhabitants of the country put not the democratic leaders of the United States, Germany or France, but the president of Belarus. Why so dramatically changed the rating of Lukashenko and Putin, of course. In the autumn of 2016, it was dangerous in Ukraine to say that you support Putin’s policies. And supporting Lukashenka was not considered a “zrada,” which many took advantage of.

This is a very important point. Internally, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are ready to follow the path proposed by Lukashenko and Putin. He is closer to them than the so-called Western "democracy." And they are very vindictive and do not like those who have deceived their expectations. And Europeans and Americans should always remember this.

This is a huge problem for Washington. Ukrainian society has become very susceptible to propaganda and he has a short memory. This is in the 2013 year, played in favor of the United States, when the Ukrainians, having forgotten the consequences of the first Maidan, did not interfere with the second. But in the same way, it may work a little later in favor of Russia. After all, there are exactly as many steps from love to hate as to the return, and the memory, as we have already learned from the Ukrainians, is very short.

It may be objected that this is no longer possible, and will lead to the usual arguments: “A lot of blood was shed in the Donbas,” etc. And I will not argue, but just give one example. Chechnya How much blood was shed from both sides? In terms of per capita, two orders of magnitude more than today in Ukraine. And if someone in 2002 had said that Chechnya would love the Russian president and support him, this person would be considered insane.

So, Ukraine will soon again face a choice: which way to go next.



The path to Europe turned out to be a dead end. Her there simply do not want to take. An attempt to build a self-sufficient nationalist state in Ukraine is also doomed to failure. For this, it does not have an internal resource, and all its neighbors are already against today, especially the Poles. So, sooner or later, Kiev will be forced to face east, especially since the population of even the current remnants of the country, as we saw above, is always mentally ready for this turn.

Today it seems impossible to many. Just as in 2002, the current Chechnya seemed impossible. But there is nothing impossible in the world ...
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  1. 210ox
    210ox 23 November 2017 07: 04 New
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    What do they like about Putin? Yes, almost everything! Only they immediately begin to pour mud and hait him. According to the good old Ukrainian tradition .. So it is one thing to want, another to vote.
    1. Seraphimamur
      Seraphimamur 23 November 2017 07: 52 New
      12
      In Russia, the same thing: everyone is dissatisfied with the president. And as an election, 80% for him.
      1. Antianglosax
        Antianglosax 23 November 2017 08: 43 New
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        Quote: Seraphimamur
        In Russia, the same thing: everyone is dissatisfied with the president. And as an election, 80% for him.

        And where to go? So choose the lesser of evils. Really worthy people the system sews off at the start, therefore they offer as an alternative frank trash and abomination, slut and whores.
        1. DV69
          DV69 23 November 2017 10: 49 New
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          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Really worthy people the system sews off at the start, therefore they offer as an alternative frank trash and abomination, slut and whores.

          I would like to clarify, and what worthy people the system “threw back at the start”? Could you name at least one.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 23 November 2017 11: 30 New
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            General Ivashov (2012).
            General Swan (1996)
            General Rokhlin (1997)
            and though they were not officially presidential candidates (except for Cygnus), but declared them and
            then, Rokhlin was killed, and Ivashov, after a conversation, withdrew his candidacy.
            1. your1970
              your1970 23 November 2017 12: 43 New
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              Swan - shamefully fled from the election
              Ivashov "after the conversation, withdrew his candidacy" - and with what fright he was then a worthy candidate - if he was persuaded in a "conversation" ???? Do you imagine the level of pressure on the President? And it doesn't matter who he is - on position the pressure is furious from all sides? And then they talked - he and paws to the top ..... for free we do not need such easily persuaded ...
              1. andj61
                andj61 23 November 2017 13: 46 New
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                Quote: your1970
                Swan - shamefully fled from the election

                This is when he fled from the election? what In 1996, Swan in the elections took third - third, Carl! - the place in the elections did not enter the second round!
                In order to “pick up” his voters, Yeltsin appointed Lebed the Secretary of the Security Council of Russia - that was. And from the election, Swan did not flee anywhere!
                Quote: Krabik
                Let me continue your list:

                Nemtsov
                Yavlinsky.

                Although they were not officially presidential candidates (except for Yavlinsky), but later announced them, Nemtsov was killed ...

                Nemtsov was repeatedly exposed at elections of various levels, and almost always - with the exception of the long-standing elections to the governors of the Nizhny Novgorod Region and the State Duma by party lists - he successfully lost them. In the 90s he was vice-premier of the Russian government and for some time - the "official" successor of Yeltsin. After Yeltsin became disappointed in him, Stepashin became such, and after him Putin. As a presidential candidate, he never had any, even the slightest, chances, and after working in the government, the people treated him extremely negatively.
                Yavlinsky fairly regularly ran for president, and if I'm not mistaken, he never even gained 5%. Even in the 90s, he refused to work in the government several times, imposing obviously impracticable conditions such as the formation of the government for him personally and a complete censure when carrying out reforms. And in the 90s this was impossible - it was necessary to negotiate with so many political parties, including the Communists, but there was no such thing as a party in power in the modern sense.
                For example, Shoigu or Lavrov could be real presidential candidates, but, naturally, they will not nominate their candidates for this post. hi
                1. your1970
                  your1970 23 November 2017 14: 28 New
                  +4
                  Quote: andj61
                  In order to “pick up” his voters, Yeltsin appointed Lebed the Secretary of the Security Council of Russia - that was. And from the election, Swan did not flee anywhere!
                  - you think that consent GIVE vote Of their human voters for whom THESE voters categorically vote Did not want - it didn’t “run away” ???
                  1. andj61
                    andj61 23 November 2017 17: 05 New
                    +3
                    Quote: your1970
                    Quote: andj61
                    In order to “pick up” his voters, Yeltsin appointed Lebed the Secretary of the Security Council of Russia - that was. And from the election, Swan did not flee anywhere!
                    - you think that consent GIVE vote Of their human voters for whom THESE voters categorically vote Did not want - it didn’t “run away” ???

                    How do you imagine THIS - "cast your vote"? wink wink wink
                    To call on voters who voted for him in the first round to vote for Yeltsin — he did this. But he couldn’t “vote,” especially those who “didn’t want to categorically vote”! In our country there is no legal or factual basis for this ... request
                    If you don’t want to vote for Yeltsin, don’t vote, and that’s it! Many Lebed voters did not vote for Yeltsin. Others chose between Yeltsin and Zyuganov.
                    If anyone ran away from the election, it’s Zyuganov, who was afraid to defend his clear victory in the second round. yes
                    For Swan, the election ended in the first round, and he was free to choose whether to accept the post or not: all his obligations to the voters were ended with the end of the first round. And the post of Secretary of the Security Council in those days was not at all "bread, but oh, what a difficult one. And Lebed himself, thanks to his former authority, was not morally destroyed by the people for the Khasavyurt agreements - it was he who prepared and signed them, hoping to bring peace to the country, but this there was an actual surrender to the militants. hi
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 23 November 2017 17: 37 New
                +4
                here you are summoned to the presidential administration and they say, remove yourself from the election. There are options, calmly, with an accident or in jail. What do you choose, our saint?
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 23 November 2017 19: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Overlock
                  What do you choose, our saint?
                  There is a good saying about tugs and dozens.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 23 November 2017 20: 08 New
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                    moving away from the answer
                    1. Dart2027
                      Dart2027 23 November 2017 20: 26 New
                      +1
                      Truth? The head of state is not an ordinary citizen who lives in completely different conditions. And if he is unable to stand up for himself, then there is nothing to do such things in high offices, no matter how wonderful person he is. Well, they’re not dragging anyone to the throne by force. Is this news for you?
                      1. Overlock
                        Overlock 23 November 2017 21: 22 New
                        +1
                        you want to say that the current president with his vertical line is equal to any presidential candidate? That the current president does not use his power in law enforcement agencies? That the president cannot create conditions in which ANYTHING is possible for the president. up to an accident? Believe it yourself?
                        For starters, try to compete with the head of the police department or the FSB
                2. AllXVahhaB
                  AllXVahhaB 23 November 2017 21: 09 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Overlock
                  calmly, with an accident or in jail. What do you choose, our saint?

                  You, of course, choose to lick?
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 23 November 2017 21: 23 New
                    0
                    see experience in li-zan-i big have, share your impressions, master
                    1. AllXVahhaB
                      AllXVahhaB 23 November 2017 23: 33 New
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                      Kindergarten level good
                      1. Overlock
                        Overlock 23 November 2017 23: 40 New
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                        less - crèche
              3. Overlock
                Overlock 23 November 2017 17: 39 New
                +4
                maybe, in your opinion, Rokhlin shot himself 3 times in the head with longing?
                1. andj61
                  andj61 23 November 2017 19: 54 New
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                  Quote: Overlock
                  here you are summoned to the presidential administration and they say, remove yourself from the election. There are options, calmly, with an accident or in jail. What do you choose, our saint?

                  And what-Swan asked to withdraw from the election? Why didn’t he do it? It is not clear why you wrote this phrase at all.

                  If you do not know the story of General Lebed, then it was not worth mentioning him at all!
                  I'm certainly not a saint. But I don’t have a desire to advance anywhere - I’m still bully I'm friends with my head.
                  Quote: Overlock
                  maybe, in your opinion, Rokhlin shot himself 3 times in the head with longing?

                  Rokhlin was shot by his wife. And admitted it. And the prints on her arms. The woman was not in herself. In that story, of course, there are inconsistencies and misunderstandings - with security, etc., but, in principle, everything is understandable without such complicated criminological versions as yours. Just don’t have to blame all the murders in the country on Putin - he already has enough shortcomings. And Rokhlin could not interfere with Putin.
                  Ivashutin, too, should not have been pulled in - he spoke with a competent comrade bully - and did not advance. That's just the chance he did not even get 1% of the vote - the wrong caliber of people.hi
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 23 November 2017 20: 09 New
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                    you read very inattentively.
                  2. user
                    user 23 November 2017 21: 33 New
                    +2
                    And what-Swan asked to withdraw from the election?


                    Yes, and then I received the post of governor of the Krasnoyarsk Territory, I ask you to pay attention to the moment when a large privatization was not carried out, and there was something to put in your pocket.
                    After his death, the inhabitants of the region did not support the idea of ​​installing a monument in Krasnoyarsk, is not this a criterion for evaluating his governorship.

                    So the country has not lost much.
            2. Krabik
              Krabik 23 November 2017 13: 07 New
              +1
              Let me continue your list:

              Nemtsov
              Yavlinsky.

              Although they were not officially presidential candidates (except for Yavlinsky), but later announced them, Nemtsov was killed ...
              1. Alexsin
                Alexsin 23 November 2017 13: 25 New
                +9
                Nemtsov had less to walk on bridges with prostitutes, you see, and would not have been killed. And whichever president he would be clear from his activities in the Nizhny Novgorod province, from where his people pushed out without showing him confidence, as well as from the government. From that time he became an oppositionist. And where else could a downed pilot go? Only in opposition for the State Department grandmother. I want to eat, but not to work.
                1. Krabik
                  Krabik 23 November 2017 13: 26 New
                  0
                  About the dead either good or nothing ...
                  1. Svetoch
                    Svetoch 23 November 2017 13: 43 New
                    +7
                    Will we keep silent about Hitler too? Or we will tell that he arranged the Olympiad and did not eat meat, that was the famous one? The Germans certainly are not Hitler far. But the essence, I think you understand.
                    1. Krabik
                      Krabik 23 November 2017 16: 22 New
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                      But why, let's compare Nemtsov with Xerxes or Julius Caesar ?!
                  2. gm9019
                    gm9019 23 November 2017 15: 22 New
                    +3
                    One of the most famous phrases taken out of context:
                    “About the dead, either well or nothing but the truth”, is the maxim of the ancient Greek politician and poet Chilo of Sparta (VI century BC), quoted by the historian Diogenes of Laertes (III century AD) in his work “ Life, teachings and opinions of famous philosophers. ”
                  3. Roma
                    Roma 1977 23 November 2017 16: 47 New
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                    Then let's consider Nemtsov forever alive. So that at least something about him could be said.
            3. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 November 2017 21: 13 New
              +1
              Quote: Overlock
              and Ivashov, after a conversation, withdrew his candidacy.

              Not really yours, Ivashov was not allowed to go through the formal excuses of the election commission.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 23 November 2017 21: 25 New
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                precisely noticed, not missed on formal excuses. And who checked these excuses?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 23 November 2017 21: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Overlock
                  And who checked these excuses?

                  To be precise, the signatures were rejected.
                  1. Overlock
                    Overlock 23 November 2017 21: 45 New
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                    clerks who? Under Putin can’t reject signatures?
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 23 November 2017 22: 20 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Overlock
                      Under Putin can’t reject signatures?

                      He does not need to collect signatures, as well as factions in the State Duma.
            4. DV69
              DV69 23 November 2017 23: 38 New
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              Quote: Overlock
              General Swan (1996)
              General Rokhlin (1997)

              Swan - this was under Yeltsin, and he withdrew his candidacy in favor of the EBN, for which he received the Krasnoyarsk Territory “in control”. At the same time, he was preparing a separation of the entrusted territory from the center. One phrase “Moscow is our neighbor beyond the Urals” is worth it.
              Rokhlin - was preparing an armed rebellion and never ran for President.
              Was the conversation with Ivashev in your presence? Where did the firewood come from?
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 23 November 2017 23: 40 New
                0
                from the forest
              2. Town Hall
                Town Hall 23 November 2017 23: 46 New
                +1
                Quote: DV69
                Swan - this was under Yeltsin, and he withdrew his candidacy in favor of the EBN, for which he received the Krasnoyarsk Territory “in control”.



                Are you a fan of alternative history?
          2. Comrade Glebov
            Comrade Glebov 23 November 2017 15: 52 New
            +1
            Quote: DV69
            I would like to clarify, and what worthy people the system “threw back at the start”? Could you name at least one.

            Russia is full of decent and honest people. The same Yuri Mukhin and Cyril Barabash. But they and others of the same will not be allowed before the election. Kill and transplant. The normal practice of capitalism.
            1. DV69
              DV69 23 November 2017 23: 41 New
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              Quote: Comrade Glebov
              Russia is full of decent and honest people. The same Yuri Mukhin and Cyril Barabash. But they and others of the same will not be allowed before the election. Kill and transplant. The normal practice of capitalism.

              They will not allow concepts and the “system” threw “different” at the start.
              Name those who participated in the elections, (in your opinion) was worthy of the highest post in the state and was removed from the election
              1. Comrade Glebov
                Comrade Glebov 24 November 2017 13: 05 New
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                Boris Sergeevich Mironov. Not only were they refused registration, but then they also sent a criminal case. Only if you are interested in a person, then read him yourself, and not what they write about him. Here is a worthy candidate in my opinion. hi
                1. DV69
                  DV69 24 November 2017 15: 35 New
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                  Quote: Comrade Glebov
                  Boris Sergeevich Mironov. Not only were they refused registration, but then they also sent a criminal case. T

                  In what year did Mironov refuse to register? Under Yeltsin? 20 years have passed.
                  1. Comrade Glebov
                    Comrade Glebov 24 November 2017 22: 38 New
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                    Well no. in 2012 they refused to register him. Past macaques christening.
                    1. DV69
                      DV69 25 November 2017 12: 45 New
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                      Quote: Comrade Glebov
                      in 2012 they refused to register him

                      I read the biography, I apologize. However, I do not consider Mironov a worthy candidate for the post of President of the Russian Federation.
                      In a multinational country, nationalism will lead to the destruction of the Power, its division into national quasi-state entities, which in turn will lead to the destruction of the Russian population in the newly emerged states.
                      This was after the destruction of the USSR.
                      1. Comrade Glebov
                        Comrade Glebov 26 November 2017 12: 48 New
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                        Well, to consider or not to consider, your right. That is precisely why I proposed not to read about him, but himself. He is not a nationalist, not even the opposite. Well, by the way, probably already enough about that.
        2. horhe48
          horhe48 23 November 2017 16: 44 New
          +6
          I agree, but what can I do with Ukraine? We don’t need such subjects of the federation (even by oblasts). The worst thing can happen if you are not salty in Europe, our neighbors will ask for Russian bread. At the same time, their demands are as always will be excessive, so that in all kinds of tenderness, horse-breeding, etc. it was blown away by Muscovites in Moscow. And salaries and apartments and hospitals and roads and the metro and ring trains, etc. Otherwise, what did they fight for? And let the Muscovites dump us unreasonably for all our sufferings. But we already passed it. all Union republics without exception (not to mention their capitals), the standard of living and social security significantly exceeded the Russian hinterland. And they scattered in different directions under the slogans that enough to feed the stupid, lazy and drunk Russians. That's all thanks to you for that how many were taken from Russia it is possible and impossible, but they were released everything according to need. Such a danger may reappear. Well, for example, Chechnya, Crimea - we are building energy, roads, bridges, infrastructure, hospitals,
          ilyo, super bridges, etc. And in the Russian countryside, ridiculous salaries, poor hospitals and doctors, poor roads, outdated, breathable housing and communal services, etc. ... So let our Ukrainian and other partners go their own way. To trade, to enter into allied relations, to develop equal cooperation, yes, but again to sit on the Russian neck, no.
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 23 November 2017 21: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Really worthy people the system sews back at the start

          Surname can you list?
        4. CAM
          CAM 23 November 2017 23: 39 New
          +1
          Call a worthy, without any, name milady, name ..
        5. dmitry.kashkaryow
          dmitry.kashkaryow 24 November 2017 14: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Really worthy people the system sews back at the start, and therefore they offer as

          Malets! Really worthy is impossible to "send off at the start"! Only fools start or try to start at the national championship without training! They are obviously doomed to failure! Because, even though there are many fools, they are more sane. No one will vote for the "devil from the snuffbox", for the demagogue from nowhere. We must first establish ourselves as working for the good of the country, long political activity, gaining a mass of sympathizers, understanding and supporting your POLITICAL POSITION! To be elected, it is not enough to crow the verbal line of slogans and have a program for the future life of the country! Who does she have now besides Putin?
      2. Fight
        Fight 23 November 2017 08: 47 New
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        At the weekend in VK in the most popular group of our city, the survey was conducted .. 47% of GDP ... !!! Given that VC is mainly young people!
        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 23 November 2017 09: 26 New
          +7
          Quote: Fight
          47% of GDP ... !!! Given that VC is mainly young people!

          And there are a lot of young people and they don’t need it, the Internet, a disco, and on TV so that they say that the whole world is afraid of GDP, with our USE they have no analytical mindset, so, a consumer society.
          1. NordOst16
            NordOst16 23 November 2017 13: 24 New
            +3
            Hmm ... and as you start to plant thoughts that are different from the general line of the "party", they are stigmatized
            1. ultra
              ultra 23 November 2017 13: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: NordOst16
              brand a traitor

              List of "traitors" sound
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 23 November 2017 16: 21 New
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                Kudrin for example
              2. NordOst16
                NordOst16 23 November 2017 17: 39 New
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                Or Durov (creator of VK)
            2. SERGUS
              SERGUS 23 November 2017 14: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: NordOst16
              and how you start to plant thoughts that are different from the general line of the "party" are stigmatized

              So these are the stigmatized ones who are afraid that someone will come to Putin’s place, the computer will take them away and make them learn, they will have to work at the machine, it’s better to shout at the free cash desk in McDonald’s, the work is not dusty and you don’t need much mind.
              1. NordOst16
                NordOst16 23 November 2017 16: 20 New
                +2
                Yeah, I’m dreaming that a person would come who would begin to allocate more money for education and science and then all the bored people will find something useful for themselves. Well, probably not to interfere.
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 23 November 2017 16: 29 New
                  +3
                  Quote: NordOst16
                  I dream that a person would come who would begin to allocate more money for education and science

                  First you need to restore order in the country, and if you just allocate money for education, then we will have regular colonels Zakharchenko and not scientists.
                  1. NordOst16
                    NordOst16 23 November 2017 17: 43 New
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                    On the other hand, educated people are more cultured. And the higher the level of culture, the less bad things to do.
                    Although it seems to me that the government will be more active in thinking about citizens when oil / gas will bring much less money because then the main income will be from taxes, and the more active and educated the population, the more money it can bring and the more taxes the state will get. Although such a population will be less responsive to manipulation (it will be necessary to act "thinner"). And, as an option, hand out firearms to the public.
                  2. Overlock
                    Overlock 23 November 2017 18: 32 New
                    +1
                    it’s just that the colonels of Zakharchenka were supposed to restore order in the country, but you see how it went ...
              2. St Petrov
                St Petrov 23 November 2017 17: 51 New
                +2
                So these are the stigmatized ones who are afraid that someone will come to Putin’s place, the computer will take them away and make them learn, they will have to work at the machine, it’s better to shout at the free cash desk in McDonald’s, the work is not dusty and you don’t need much mind.


                Still waiting for someone to make you work, study? I think this is a brain disease - to think so. Well, or the student can reason like that. And then it seems to me that schoolchildren already understand that besides themselves, nobody will be involved in their education and job search

                it’s better at McDonald’s to have a free cash register screaming, the work is not dusty and you don’t have much mind.


                labor he is noble. If you think that in MKD Lafa and everyone drives the bulldozer, then I advise you to take a closer look or try for the sake of prikola. MKD is the face of capitalism in all its manifestations.
                I would look at how much you had. One of the most dusty and time-consuming work to serve such a stream of fans of hamburgers and other feces.


                First you need to restore order in the country, and if you just allocate money for education, then we will have regular colonels Zakharchenko and not scientists.


                here, too, a lot of mind is not necessary to write such thoughts)
                1. St Petrov
                  St Petrov 23 November 2017 18: 02 New
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                  And there are a lot of young people and they don’t need it, the Internet, a disco, and on TV so that they say that the whole world is afraid of GDP, with our USE they have no analytical mindset, so, a consumer society.


                  from your analytics in this thread I have tears welling in my eyes (s)

                  good
              3. AllXVahhaB
                AllXVahhaB 23 November 2017 21: 21 New
                +1
                Quote: SERGUS
                to Putin's place

                Quote: SERGUS
                learning will force

                You, apparently, were not forced. You make basic mistakes - skip soft signs, write an excuse separately ...
      3. SERGUS
        SERGUS 23 November 2017 09: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Seraphimamur
        In Russia, the same thing: everyone is dissatisfied with the president. And as an election, 80% for him.

        So if you don’t criticize, it will stop working, will rest on its laurels winked
        1. Overlock
          Overlock 23 November 2017 11: 32 New
          +2
          already bastard
        2. 97110
          97110 23 November 2017 14: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: SERGUS
          will rest on our laurels

          Rower on the galley? Without even wondering who controls the timpani and the whip there.
    2. 79807420129
      79807420129 23 November 2017 07: 56 New
      +7
      it means that sooner or later Kiev will be forced to face east

      So then it is yes It will turn around, but only when several generations in both countries change, but only before that oh how much blood will be shed. request
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 23 November 2017 11: 33 New
        +4
        will not turn around, the Urengoy’s generation is “growing better”. Citizens of the USSR will die out and all .....
        1. your1970
          your1970 23 November 2017 12: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Overlock
          Citizens of the USSR will die out and all ...
          -so means they will live in Ukraine ass inside ...
          1. Krabik
            Krabik 23 November 2017 13: 10 New
            +1
            They will live and devote all their resources to the fight against Russia.
            1. your1970
              your1970 23 November 2017 14: 31 New
              +1
              Quote: Krabik
              They will live and devote all their resources to the fight against Russia.
              Is there resources? Even I have a feeling that everything has already been sold, or almost all
              1. Krabik
                Krabik 23 November 2017 16: 25 New
                0
                From the story of India and Pakistan, you can appreciate the resources of Pakistan.
                I think Ukraine will have more of them.
              2. Overlock
                Overlock 23 November 2017 17: 51 New
                +1
                states toss, you can have no doubt.
    3. Sergey-svs
      Sergey-svs 23 November 2017 07: 59 New
      19
      Quote: 210ox
      .... So it is one thing to want, another to vote.

      And let's Svidomity, give our "centaur". yes Let this horse run there, especially since it’s almost there already, so much so! negative Yes, and in “tseEurope”, he will scream about the Crimean affiliation, not afraid of inspections by the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation. yes
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 23 November 2017 09: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: Sergey-svs
        And let's Svidomity, give our "centaur".

        At this time, Berkova is more suitable for Ukraine. Indeed, to date, Ukraine has bypassed even Holland in the issue of e.c. from tourism ...
    4. antivirus
      antivirus 23 November 2017 08: 21 New
      +5
      let hayut
      According to the results of the mess on the outskirts, it will be necessary to fraternally give AGLuke the southern Polesie (to the latitude-borders of the Cossack steppes) and create 3 federal districts directly subordinate to Deputy Prime Minister Kozak on the remains.
      1. Dembel77
        Dembel77 23 November 2017 17: 12 New
        0
        nothing is impossible in the world ...
        Posted by Yuri Podolyaka (Yurasumy)
        Wow, how Yura swayed ... towards the "aggressor country."
    5. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 23 November 2017 22: 22 New
      +2
      Poroshenko then has the option to avoid persecution. It is enough to say in the New Year’s speech in front of Ukraine - “I’m tired. I’m leaving.” And appoint Putin. Checked.
      And immediately begin to build the Poroshenko Center.
    6. vm-bt
      vm-bt 24 November 2017 01: 17 New
      0
      "I fool you, with a shovel, jokingly jabbed your back. Shouting:" Damn striped! ", You smiled at me!"
      This is Love.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 23 November 2017 07: 05 New
    +8
    Surveys must be treated with caution. It is possible that some part of Ukrainians would like to see GDP as their president, but only we ourselves still have a lot of unresolved issues.
    So, sooner or later, Kiev will be forced to turn to the East
    This would have a basis if Kiev had a face. In the meantime, what he turned to Russia.
    1. dSK
      dSK 23 November 2017 07: 26 New
      11
      Quote: “Today, it seems impossible for many. Just like the current Chechnya seemed impossible in 2002. But nothing is impossible in the world ...”

      Hello Gennady! As the Holy Fathers said: "Man proposes, but the Lord God disposes." Three quarters of Ukrainians are Orthodox.Holy Prince Alexander Nevsky: "Whoever comes to us with a sword will die from the sword!" soldier
      1. Siberia 9444
        Siberia 9444 23 November 2017 13: 59 New
        +1
        Ukrainians will betray as always !!! So don’t be together we are power!
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 23 November 2017 21: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: dsk
        Three quarters of Ukrainians are Orthodox.

        So what? Read the history of Russia, which is of the Kiev type - brother brother goggled his eyes and all the Orthodox were ...
  3. gafarovsafar
    gafarovsafar 23 November 2017 07: 50 New
    13
    Mlyn back feed this horde ready to sell you every minute
    1. Asthma
      Asthma 23 November 2017 12: 27 New
      +1
      removed from the tongue!
  4. aws4
    aws4 23 November 2017 08: 09 New
    +4
    for whom is this program filmed ??? I’ll tell you they don’t like Putin’s secret in Ukraine ...
    1. Skeptic
      Skeptic 23 November 2017 09: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: aws4
      for whom is this program filmed ??? I’ll tell you they don’t like Putin’s secret in Ukraine ...

      The beginning of 2015. The information is very old and not up to date. Take the risk now to conduct a poll Putin will take first place not only in the west but also in the east of Ukraine, but in the question "who would you like to see in the loop".
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 23 November 2017 11: 34 New
        0
        quite right
    2. staviator
      staviator 23 November 2017 14: 12 New
      +3
      Here is a screen from the Ukrainian site.
      https://antikor.com.ua/poll/45
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 23 November 2017 08: 15 New
    0
    So, sooner or later Kiev will be forced to turn east
    .. Persimmon, still green, but ripening ...
  6. eleronn
    eleronn 23 November 2017 08: 45 New
    +4
    Well, if you fill up Ukraine with money (like Chechnya), then yes! They will love and endure us until the money runs out.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 23 November 2017 11: 35 New
      +3
      the main phrase at the end is "until the money runs out"
  7. Dobriy_chelvek
    Dobriy_chelvek 23 November 2017 08: 49 New
    +8
    I'm wondering - who are you going to feed? If at least a drop of prudence was in the power of UA, they would not become a verbal but a real exporter of agricultural products around the world, in 2016 they harvested a record crop anyway, it's a pity not for their own. Russia would have so much black soil and a climate like that in Cherkasy or Chernigov, and they’re cheaper for our money, but I don’t have to talk about the quality of our products, especially when I see on the shelves not mayonnaise, but mayonnaise sauce, not beer, but beer product, not sausage, but sausage product. I’ve eaten Ukrainian all my life, I haven’t complained, I tried the products of the Dmitrovsky Dairy Plant - for a minute, almost one of the monopolists in Moscow and the region became allergic to lactose. Maybe we should first deal with ourselves?
    1. Temnik 2017
      Temnik 2017 23 November 2017 09: 05 New
      11
      Lactose intolerance is from age ...
      And the land in Chernihiv is no better than in the neighboring Bryansk region, but ... Bryansk has flourished over the past year with agriculture, and the Chernigov region has grown weeds.
      I saw it myself.
      1. andj61
        andj61 23 November 2017 13: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: Temnik 2017
        Lactose intolerance is from age ...
        And the land in Chernihiv is no better than in the neighboring Bryansk region, but ... Bryansk has flourished over the past year with agriculture, and the Chernigov region has grown weeds.
        I saw it myself.

        Everything is so, except for one thing - the land in the Chernihiv region is still BETTER than in the Bryansk. in Bryansk, Chernigov lands are equal to only four southern border areas - Starodubsky, Klimovsky, Pogarsky and Sevsky. The remaining 23 regions of the earth are much worse ... hi
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 November 2017 11: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: Dobriy_Chelovek
      Maybe we should first deal with ourselves?

      Your golden words! good drinks
    3. KAV
      KAV 23 November 2017 20: 12 New
      0
      Be at least a drop of prudence in the power of UA, they would not become a word of mouth, but a real exporter of agricultural products around the world
      Well, you yourself said the most important thing. It is not even a matter of prudence. The UA authorities did not rise to power in order to develop the country. They have completely different goals! And the accompanying goals - to steal as much as possible, until it is time to bring down soon.
  8. private person
    private person 23 November 2017 09: 14 New
    +3
    Quote: Antianglosaks
    Quote: Seraphimamur
    In Russia, the same thing: everyone is dissatisfied with the president. And as an election, 80% for him.

    And where to go? So choose the lesser of evils. Really worthy people the system sews off at the start, therefore they offer as an alternative frank trash and abomination, slut and whores.

    Who do you personally consider worthy? Please justify and who was sent off at the start? I’m not an ardent supporter of GDP, but I don’t see a worthy candidate on the horizon, but I remember how in the 90s each half a year changed example ministers and what a fun life they broke and destroyed that they built 70 years. Yes, now life is not sugar for the common people, but different governors and deputies steal billions, but you cannot blame one person for this, even though he is the guarantor. Just objectively look at his surroundings, he just doesn’t get one phrase to work: “There is no money, but you hold on,” which is worth it.
    1. Romey
      Romey 23 November 2017 11: 21 New
      +4
      Who do you personally consider worthy? Please justify and who was sent off at the start?

      In 2012, at the start, according to absolutely far-fetched pretexts, the AP dismissed Ivashov for allegedly falsified signatures. Tipuhans like Navalny rarely have such problems in elections.
      Yes, now life is not sugar for the common people, but different governors and deputies steal billions, but you cannot blame one person for this, even though he is the guarantor. Just objectively look at his surroundings, he just doesn’t get one phrase to work: “There is no money, but you hold on,” which is worth it.

      About seven years ago, a similar song about a good king and bad boyars would be a ride. Not now. It is painfully the opposite that they blow in the ears on the box and the surrounding reality with a tendency to a sharp deterioration. To see this, it is enough to distract from the TV screen and see the price tags at the gas station, receipts for the communal apartment and more ...
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 23 November 2017 12: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: private person
      Just objectively look at his surroundings, he just doesn’t get one phrase to work: “There is no money, but you hold on,” which is worth it.

      This song "if not he is a cat" doesn’t really roll.
      Even people far from politics realized that pvv-dam-kudrin-gref-naibulina and Ko are one team that is steadily following the Ebnov course. The country is in a systemic crisis, both in the economic and humanitarian ones.
      The project has exhausted itself. There is a clear need for change in all areas of the country's life.
      Quote: private person
      Who do you personally consider worthy?

      P. Grudinin, Yu. Boldyrev is a very worthy and competent people.
      Threat. If we consider the PVA from the point of view of his team, then he has nothing to offer.
      1. 97110
        97110 23 November 2017 14: 30 New
        +5
        Quote: Stroporez
        P. Grudinin, Yu. Boldyrev is a very worthy and competent people.

        Nobody argues. Just for a moment, I propose to recall that in our well-organized country, CAPITALISM! Who will pay for these "very worthy and competent people" elections to begin with?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 November 2017 15: 36 New
          +3
          Quote: 97110
          Just for a moment, I propose to recall that in our well-organized country, CAPITALISM! Who will pay for these "very worthy and competent people" elections to begin with?

          So it will end soon.
          Thus, I wanted to say that PVV is definitely not my candidate.
          1. 97110
            97110 23 November 2017 15: 55 New
            +3
            Quote: Stroporez
            So it will end soon

            And the rowers in the gallery? So just oars will dry? I hope, of course, that you know something like that. But I don’t hope to see it already during this lifetime ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 23 November 2017 16: 00 New
              +2
              Quote: 97110
              But I don’t hope to see it already during this lifetime ...

              Colleague, we are required to survive these ghouls.
              1. 97110
                97110 23 November 2017 17: 43 New
                +3
                Quote: Stroporez
                we are required to survive these ghouls

                I just tried to be old and got a reprimand from my wife for it. I’ll have to agree with you.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 23 November 2017 18: 44 New
                  +2
                  Quote: 97110
                  I just tried to be old and got a reprimand from my wife for it. I’ll have to agree with you.

                  Well, first of all with my wife! good laughing
              2. Romey
                Romey 23 November 2017 18: 51 New
                +3
                Survive! I really believe that someday I will see Chubais where Kvachkova is being pickled. And of course there are sacred accomplices next to him.
      2. gm9019
        gm9019 23 November 2017 15: 54 New
        0
        Yu. Boldyrev - oh, yes! Decent, competent, consistent! Persistent in their aspirations! laughing

        In 1999, representatives of 3 lists named after Boldyrev passed to the State Duma of the 2rd convocation; the first was "An Apple", the second KRO and the Yuri Boldyrev Movement (from which Dmitry Rogozin passed).
        In 2007, Yuri Boldyrev was among the first three candidates for deputies of the State Duma in St. Petersburg from the party "Fair Russia" (not being a member), but did not go to the Duma.
        In the 2012 presidential election, he was a confidant of Zyuganov (CPRF)
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 November 2017 15: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: gm9019
          In 1999, representatives of 3 lists named after Boldyrev passed to the State Duma of the 2rd convocation, the first was Yabloko, the second KRO and the Yuri Boldyrev Movement (from which Dmitry Rogozin passed).

          Bodyrev came out of the apple in 1993.
        2. Romey
          Romey 23 November 2017 18: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: gm9019
          Yu. Boldyrev - oh, yes! Decent, competent, consistent! Persistent in their aspirations! laughing

          In 1999, representatives of 3 lists named after Boldyrev passed to the State Duma of the 2rd convocation; the first was "An Apple", the second KRO and the Yuri Boldyrev Movement (from which Dmitry Rogozin passed).
          In 2007, Yuri Boldyrev was among the first three candidates for deputies of the State Duma in St. Petersburg from the party "Fair Russia" (not being a member), but did not go to the Duma.
          In the 2012 presidential election, he was a confidant of Zyuganov (CPRF)

          Iiiii? But doesn’t it bother you that a certain Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin was an employee of the administration again of a certain Sobchak? Explain sho for a figure?
      3. Romey
        Romey 23 November 2017 19: 03 New
        +1
        P. Grudinin, Yu. Boldyrev is a very worthy and competent people.

        In PDS NPSR in general a strong team. Prior to the inevitable replacement of the Constitution, I would prefer to see a tandem: Boldyrev - president, Grudinin - prime minister. The power block there will also be represented with dignity: Sobolev, Ivashov, Strelkov, Sivkov. In a word, people who did not trade or sell their homeland. Only there is a non-zero probability that they will have to take power in extraordinary conditions.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 23 November 2017 20: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: romey
          In a word, people who did not trade or sell their homeland.

          I agree that people are very worthy and well done, that they included in the list of Kvachkov.
          Quote: romey
          Only there is a non-zero probability that they will have to take power in extraordinary conditions.

          Honestly, I also thought about it ....
  9. savage1976
    savage1976 23 November 2017 09: 43 New
    +1
    The main thing is not to forget that they will be transferred again just as quickly. They will fall under the one who pays the most.
  10. ando_bor
    ando_bor 23 November 2017 09: 52 New
    +5
    Yes, it’s Putin’s president in Russia, and in Ukraine he’s practically a boom - everything can, he’s responsible for everything,
    and they don’t choose him, he himself comes, you just need to ride well.
  11. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 23 November 2017 10: 45 New
    +2
    It will be like in the old song: "Everything will return, everything will return! .........", only now without juntas and banderlogs, either on "Komsomol construction sites without the right to correspondence" or ...... ., but most likely they themselves pull the cordon, someone must blame Russia.
  12. Romey
    Romey 23 November 2017 10: 52 New
    +2
    Another pulling the snake on the hedgehog from Jura ... This alone is already causing a smile.
    The internally overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are ready to follow the path proposed by Lukashenko and Putin.

    But nothing that these two figures have completely different roads? If the first one, after the second torpedoed attempt to build the Union State, took the position of firmly defending the positions of the ridiculous collective farm, then this very second one took up, or rather continued, the path begun by Yolkin to turn the Russian Federation into a raw material semi-colony of the West. I must say quite successfully: Gazprom - dreams come true. And, with regards to Ukraine, its owners are absolutely not interested in what the natives think there ... What they say, they will do it. Without any cunning plans.
    1. Comrade Glebov
      Comrade Glebov 23 November 2017 16: 04 New
      +1
      And the second one has no course, path or position. He is a footman in the service of capital, and in which case he will be in the role of a whipping boy. They also call the king .... wassat
  13. atos_kin
    atos_kin 23 November 2017 10: 59 New
    0
    An attempt to build a self-sufficient nationalist state in Ukraine is also doomed to failure.

    Only the troubles of the non-state feel in their spirit and mind the “sun-faced”. Also, the "inhabitants" of the "Tsar Boris" at one time were former residents of the most powerful great country.
  14. Berkut24
    Berkut24 23 November 2017 12: 38 New
    +4
    Nifiga, they did not deserve any Putin. As the Socrates said, "Every nation deserves its ruler." Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych, acting Turchinov and Poroshenko are inexorable statistics!
  15. Troll
    Troll 23 November 2017 12: 39 New
    0
    Ask in Venezuela if they would like to see Trump (Putin, Obama, Fidel Castro) in their president and the vast majority would answer yes. Bo, when there is quiet horror in the country or by the way, in any organization, it always seems that someone else’s managing director is better than any homegrown one.
  16. steelmaker
    steelmaker 23 November 2017 12: 52 New
    +4
    Everything that a leader does should affect the well-being of people. If the people get rich, then the leader does everything right. For example: Medvedev gave Norway thousands of kilometers of the sea zone! We have increased prices for gasoline, utilities, etc. Putin forgave debts to Vietnam, etc. hundreds of billions of dollars. We still have a minimum wage less than a living wage. Other countries like Putin because he does more for them than for his people and at the expense of his people. Has attached Crimea? And it’s more expensive to relax there than in Turkey. Who can you tell me what Putin has done for the welfare of his people?
    1. Troll
      Troll 23 November 2017 12: 57 New
      +4
      Compare Russia, not Moscow, but Russia, the nineties and today's Russia, and you will see what Putin has done.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 23 November 2017 17: 43 New
        +2
        Are you interested in Moscow roads, or dead healthcare? How about a free treatment? GDP said that we have rich people. may pay. Tell me something good about school? To remind about the boy from Urengoy? Do you prefer to eat shit in a beautiful wrapper?
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 23 November 2017 17: 56 New
        +2
        According to Rosstat, the country's GDP for three quarters of 2017 increased by 1,6%. The nominal average wage is also growing. In October, it increased by 7,1% in annual terms and amounted to 38,275 rubles. Social payments in September also increased by 1,3% compared to the same period in 2016. Meanwhile, inflation fell to a record low of 2,7%.

        There is absolutely stunning data. On November 14, Mosgorstat reported that the average monthly salary in Moscow from January to August 2017 amounted to 91,8 thousand rubles. Most of all are employees of enterprises and organizations involved in the production of petroleum products (518,9 thousand rubles per month), employees of enterprises for the production of cement, lime and gypsum (250 thousand rubles), advertisers (181 thousand rubles).
        But .... According to the Higher School of Economics, over the past three years, citizens have been impoverished by almost 20 percent. During the same time, the real size of pensions fell by 6,9 percent. Products, in turn, rose by 28,5 percent, non-food products by 26,2 percent, services by 21,3 percent. According to the Fitch rating agency, the purchasing power of Russian salaries lags significantly behind European salaries: 2,5 times - from German and 30% - from Lithuanians. Widely discussed was information from social minister Ms. Golodets about the so-called “working poor” - the employed part of the working population, whose income, taking into account dependents, does not reach the living wage. Such 12%!
        Although you probably have a salary of 500 thousand?
        In the first quarter of 2017, the number of poor in Russia increased by 2 million people, said the head of the Accounts Chamber, Tatyana Golikova. Real incomes of the population continue to fall, albeit more slowly than a year ago. “For the first quarter of 2017, the number of citizens who are below the poverty line is 15%, that is, 22 million. This is more than the annual figures for 2016 - 19,8 million people, ”Golikova said during a meeting of the Federation Council on Wednesday.
        And you about Russia. These millions are not Russia? For you, Russia - Prokhorov, Deribaska, Medvedev, starving, etc.?



      3. Overlock
        Overlock 23 November 2017 18: 03 New
        +2
        We look around the country.
        According to the latest FOM, 60% of the population are dissatisfied with the work of the healthcare system. Which is quite logical, because in recent years the availability of medicine has decreased, and the working conditions of doctors are more like slavery. Total savings led to the fact that the salaries of doctors, middle and junior medical staff went under the knife, despite the presidential decrees in May. Salaries not only did not increase, they significantly decreased.
        Three Pskov polyclinics are only 50% staffed, and a half cardiologist works there for the whole city - just like that, one works full time, and the other half-time.
        The struggle for efficiency (or effectiveness) led to the fact that from 2000 to 2015 there were almost half the number of hospitals in Russia: there were 10,7 thousand, and there were 5,4 thousand, this is the level of the Soviet Union in 1932, the number hospital beds decreased from 1,67 million to 1,22 million (that's how the efficiency of beds increases if more people are put on them!), and the number of ambulance stations decreased from 3276 to 2561 (a decrease of 22%).
        For example: from 2000 to 2015, the number of cases of diseases of the circulatory system increased by 82,5%, endocrine system by 56,5%, complications of pregnancy and childbirth by 39,1%. That is, each person now has much more reasons to see a doctor. And people turned until they completely lost hope in our medicine. The reduction of the beds has led to the fact that people began to be examined more on an outpatient basis according to the Western model.

        Whereas in 2000 each outpatient clinic accepted an average of 166 people per shift, in 2015 there were already 208 people. Consider the decrease in the number of doctors, and it will become completely sad. In such conditions, the norm of 10 minutes for patient admission is simply a necessary measure. Naturally, there can be no talk of any quality assistance. Even to the dentist, the recording goes after 20 minutes, if you record through the State Services.
        The Ministry of Health is eagerly demonstrating a decrease in mortality from tuberculosis, respiratory and digestive diseases, and the circulatory system, but it also leaves out the increase in morbidity and a sharp increase in mortality at home: in 2015 by 5,5% in Russia as a whole and by 72% in Moscow , 75% in the Volgograd region, 153% in the Leningrad region and 161% in the Novgorod region. This is a terrible, absolute cynical and deliberate practice: die at home, we will not take you to the hospital - spoil the statistics.
        The list goes on. You can say that GDP is not entirely to blame, but then who appoints the Prime Minister and approves his deputies? Trump?
    2. astankard
      astankard 23 November 2017 13: 19 New
      +3
      Medvedev gave? Do you think Medvedev was our president? You are a comedian!)))
      Putin forgave debts to Vietnam and others? And how do you propose to demand from the majority of BEGGARS, any debts? Bananas?)))
      Russia is able to forgive debts to developing countries, the trouble with us is different.
      Thieves and pro-Western degenerates are in power, that's all. And immediately not to remove everyone - this is a mess.
      Why do we not have laws on execution? Because there are people in the Duma who are afraid of this.
      1. andj61
        andj61 23 November 2017 13: 58 New
        +3
        Quote: astankard
        Putin forgave debts to Vietnam and others?

        Actually, Vietnam was ready to repay debts with agricultural products and consumer goods. But it wasn’t interesting for our oligarchs - they brought goods from the west and from China. But they were interested in getting into Vietnam with investments - for the sake of allowing this and getting preferences, Vietnam’s debts were written off ...
        1. astankard
          astankard 24 November 2017 19: 10 New
          0
          I agree - Vietnam could also give food, that is, feed again and not develop its own ...?
          1. staviator
            staviator 25 November 2017 21: 47 New
            0
            I remember, I remember the "Star" smelly, that product. yes
    3. staviator
      staviator 23 November 2017 14: 18 New
      +4
      Previously, kilometer-long lines for sugar, vodka, sausage, now for IPhone X. In my opinion there is a difference.
      1. astankard
        astankard 24 November 2017 19: 13 New
        0
        The most interesting thing, I know enough rich people, they do not have a fig not "iPhones", although they collect cars ....
        But the "young hard workers", even a fig is not a copy! ))) PARADOX!
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    1. 97110
      97110 23 November 2017 14: 36 New
      +2
      Quote: Alecs_2
      OR WHAT NOT WHEN ..

      Try without a caps and in Russian. At least out of philanthropy.
  18. astankard
    astankard 23 November 2017 13: 12 New
    0
    Not how you can be the president of what is not, and never existed.
  19. demo
    demo 23 November 2017 13: 18 New
    +5
    It’s one thing to appease Chechnya.
    On the one hand, give money how much they ask. On the other hand, do not get into internal processes - they will fix everything themselves.
    Moreover, give the Chechens the right to be men. And they are fighting in Syria. And they catch their bandits, shoot. Moreover, the Chechen Republic is a subject of Russia.
    But what about Ukraine and Ukrainians?
    How to appease them?
    The population of Chechnya is 1.3 million.
    The population of Ukraine is 45 million.
    There is not enough money.
    And Bandera will be more than all residents of Chechnya.
    1. ultra
      ultra 23 November 2017 13: 40 New
      0
      In my subjective opinion, we don’t need all of Ukraine, it’s enough to return the former provinces of Novorossia to Kharkov and Kharkov by itself
  20. Laresh_6
    Laresh_6 23 November 2017 13: 22 New
    +2
    When I went to an important meeting or exam, my grandmother said: "Go already, I will scold you." And I always came with a good mark or a positive solution to the negotiations. I asked. Why? And the grandmother said
    NOTES such. This is a Christian sign and it clearly works, tested by life. We will scold in difficult cases
    Putin and everything will be OK!
  21. AleBors
    AleBors 23 November 2017 13: 24 New
    0
    In theory, everything is clear ... But why the hell, sorry, the goblin is all this necessary? Is it that they want?
  22. mavrus
    mavrus 23 November 2017 13: 33 New
    +4
    Quote: Overlock
    General Ivashov (2012).
    General Swan (1996)
    General Rokhlin (1997)
    and though they were not officially presidential candidates (except for Cygnus), but declared them and
    then, Rokhlin was killed, and Ivashov, after a conversation, withdrew his candidacy.

    Yeah ... Narrow-headed traitor general for the presidency. This is what we are lacking now. Very “worthy” was the candidate.
  23. Agasfer vecnyzhid
    Agasfer vecnyzhid 23 November 2017 13: 44 New
    0
    That’s why they say that he’s not theirs, but a Russian, and they themselves will have to crawl out of the shit that they themselves arranged. There are no prophets in their native country who would indicate where it, GDP, they find on the nook.
  24. Whaler
    Whaler 23 November 2017 14: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Overlock
    General Ivashov (2012).
    General Swan (1996)
    General Rokhlin (1997)
    and though they were not officially presidential candidates (except for Cygnus), but declared them and
    then, Rokhlin was killed, and Ivashov, after a conversation, withdrew his candidacy.

    Who, Swan ?! Khasav-Yurt "hero" and the Yeltsin foot mat ?! this is lol))
    If anyone is of interest in terms of state development and construction, it is Glazyev!
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 23 November 2017 17: 41 New
      0
      but about Rokhlin and Ivashov diplomatically silent?
  25. private person
    private person 23 November 2017 15: 10 New
    +1
    Quote: 97110
    Quote: Stroporez
    P. Grudinin, Yu. Boldyrev is a very worthy and competent people.

    Nobody argues. Just for a moment, I propose to recall that in our well-organized country, CAPITALISM! Who will pay for these "very worthy and competent people" elections to begin with?

    I agree to all 100% who pays the one and orders the music.
  26. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 23 November 2017 15: 52 New
    +1
    Hmm. Ukraine does not have its own Putin, and few Ukrainians are upset by this. But does Russia have Putin. 2? Who will replace GDP when the time comes? Unfortunately there are irreplaceable people, take at least the late Vitaly Ivanovich Churkin! The horizon is somehow clear.
  27. Anti-fascist
    Anti-fascist 23 November 2017 16: 03 New
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    Posted by Yuri Podolyaka (Yurasumy)
    should be put at the beginning of the article.
  28. as-buki-vedi
    as-buki-vedi 23 November 2017 17: 07 New
    +2
    Do not have illusions. Ukrainians will have to get out on their own, Russia does not have enough of a bag of gold for their problems, but Ukrainians need to put their brains in order
  29. Natalia777
    Natalia777 23 November 2017 17: 40 New
    +2
    It will be so. There is no other way for the Ukrainian = Russian people. We are brothers in blood and flesh. 80% of citizens of Ukraine and Russia have common great-great-grandfathers and great-great-grandmothers.
  30. Skywa1ker
    Skywa1ker 23 November 2017 19: 57 New
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    Colleagues, firstly - I do not believe these government issues. According to my personal statistics, among acquaintances - Putin-bulk 60-40. But not 84. Most acquaintances are going to vote for bulk. Secondly, the Chechnya example is incorrect. We swelled there an unrealistic amount of money, which, by the way, is our taxes. Note - these are subsidies that do not need to be paid back. We saw in government procurements of Chechen officials official am for 3-5 million - efficiently. And Ukraine TAKES FOR A DEBT. It will have to be given. These are different things. Nevertheless, there will be Schengen in Ukraine. In 3-5-7 years, but it will be, IMHO.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 23 November 2017 23: 41 New
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      Quote: Skywa1ker
      Putin bulk 60-40

      But I have not met people who are in bulk, - here you have 84 on average.
  31. Dart2027
    Dart2027 23 November 2017 21: 29 New
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    Quote: Overlock
    you want to say that the current president with his vertical line is equal to any presidential candidate? That the current president does not use his power in law enforcement agencies? That the president cannot create conditions in which ANYTHING is possible for the president. up to an accident?
    Do you believe in fairy tales? Power has always been a very dirty and dangerous business - this is life.
  32. Overlock
    Overlock 23 November 2017 21: 48 New
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    Quote: private person
    Who do you personally consider worthy? Please justify and who was sent off at the start?

    Alas, we have little choice now: either Putin’s sovereign thieves in the Kremlin, who are forced to save the country at least for their own sake, or compradors from Bolotnaya, who have been retailing the country since the 90s, and who will be sold in bulk from the Kremlin and together with the Kremlin, tea is not Newton’s bin, is it already understood?
  33. Tanarri
    Tanarri 23 November 2017 22: 03 New
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    The comparison with Chechnya is strange. Where does the author suggest taking as much money as they swell in Chechnya, in proportion to the whole of Ukraine?
  34. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 24 November 2017 01: 04 New
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    Putin is not for long. What to do so that such as Gorbochev, Nikolai 2, or Khrushchev did not come
    1. vm-bt
      vm-bt 24 November 2017 01: 22 New
      +1
      Nikita Sergeyevich should not be confused with this company.
      With all its originalities, he didn’t HAVE DESTRATED the Country !!!
  35. dmitry.kashkaryow
    dmitry.kashkaryow 24 November 2017 14: 45 New
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    Quote: NordOst16
    . but how do you start to throw thoughts,

    And why thoughts THROW? Thoughts are not eggs under the quack! Thoughts must be stated, argued and proved their worth. "" Throw "provocateurs and fools unable to justify and argue their thoughts themselves! Or not their own and borrowed. (From the West))))
  36. potap6509
    potap6509 25 November 2017 14: 49 New
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    They have a Pedro, and we have Vladimir Vladimirovich, every nation deserves the leader whom it deserves. PS Petro hopped a tear rolled down his embroidered shirt, and on his chest there was a medal for taking a loan ,,. Another two orders, “Visa-free”, crowded next to his chest and every little thing. For a crisis ,, badge, wait Putin ,, laughing
  37. Horseman without a head
    Horseman without a head 26 November 2017 08: 54 New
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    Can we export?
  38. What a
    What a 27 November 2017 14: 36 New
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    Quote: Seraphimamur
    In Russia, the same thing: everyone is dissatisfied with the president. And as an election, 80% for him.

    But I’m only dissatisfied with the economy, even if the prime minister was not Ayfonchik, but such as Primakov.