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"Los angeles" less

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The strengths and weaknesses of underwater duelists before we reach the initial positions are already known to us (“In the first dive”). Knowing the arsenal of means and conditions of combat, let us analyze how various boats can operate in a one-on-one duel.

The tactics of action of submarines are determined by the governing documents that are available in each navy. They are usually secret. However, based on the logic of the likely development of events, the capabilities of weapons and technical means of submarines, the nature of their actions is predicted with sufficient accuracy for a qualitative assessment.

Take the most numerous submarine of the third generation - the American "Los Angeles". It has the most advanced hydroacoustics among the "contemporaries", the tools of the gap and the torpedo armament - the latest two-purpose Mk-48. The detection range of Los Angeles is the best submarine of the third generation of another country, and this can only be the Russian 971 project (NATO designation - Akula), estimated depending on the depth and speed of movement in 60 – 100 kilometers in the infrasonic range, and in the sound - in 30 – 40. This is under favorable conditions, and in other distances are reduced to 50 – 80 and 20 – 25 kilometers, respectively. If the submarine and its target are on opposite sides of the “jump layer”, the detection range in the sound range will be three to eight kilometers.

In total, there are three possible options for the battle of a conventional "Los Angeles" with the alleged "Shark". The first is when a target is detected in the infrasonic range at a distance that requires approaching to reach the contact in the sound range and then occupying a position for using the torpedo weapons. The second is the detection of the enemy in the sound range outside the zone of effective use of torpedo weapons, which involves maneuvering to take a salvo position. The third option - a sudden meeting of submarines at close range.

Sound shooting

In the first version, “Los Angeles” will converge with the goal of the SJC, according to the infrasound channel, to the distance it is detected by the sound path. When moving with the lowest possible noise of the 10 – 12 nodes, it will take from one to five hours. The probability of finding "Los Angeles" by our submarine by the same infrasound path is very high. With the release of sonar contact in the audio range after the classification of the target and the determination of the elements of its movement, Los-Angeles will start maneuvering to take a salvo position. Since the risk of being detected is great, the “American” will seek to use anti-submarine weapons from the maximum distance. This is not more than the range of remote control torpedo Mk-48, that is, 18 – 20 kilometers. With the detection range of our submarine 30 – 40 kilometers, it can take 10 – 30 minutes or more to reach the attack position for kilometers. During this period, there is a high probability that our submarine will also detect Los Angeles and begin to take retaliatory measures, in particular, it will use the GAP tools to divert the enemy to a false target. Attack "American" is likely to be dvuhtorpednaya. If it is impossible to reliably classify the simulator and the submarine, each will be aimed at its target. The volley and movement of torpedoes are guaranteed to be detected by the attacker, who will use the means of the active HAP and will try to respond to Los Angeles with his anti-submarine weapon. Since the time of movement of torpedoes to the target will be 12 – 16 minutes, it will be enough for an effective response. The likelihood of a successful attack in such conditions while maintaining “American” combat capability should be assessed in 0,4 – 0,7. 10 – 20 minutes will be needed to identify the impact. During this time, torpedo tubes can be reloaded. In case of failure, the attack will be repeated.

The second variant of the battle is essentially the same as that considered, with the exception of the approach stage for contacting the target with the SAC sound path. In the third variant, when two submarines were actually on the “pistol shot” distance, each of them will try to use a weapon as soon as possible. The travel time of torpedoes will not exceed three to five minutes, and the total duration of the battle will be five to ten.

The Chinese do not shine. U.S. too

In a battle with a second-generation submarine or equivalent to it, for example, the Chinese 093 Shan project or our SSBN of the 667БДР project, Los Angeles will have an undeniable superiority in the detection range of the enemy. It is calculated at a distance from which shooting torpedoes is useless. Under favorable hydroacoustic conditions, these are 120 – 200 kilometers and more in the infrasonic range and 60 – 70 kilometers in sound. The worst-case scenario is 80 – 100 and 40 – 50 kilometers, respectively. Only under the condition that the submarine and its target were on opposite sides of the “jump layer”, can the detection range be reduced to seven to ten kilometers.

The scenarios are the same. In the first and second "Los Angeles" moves closer to the distance of the most effective use of torpedo weapons, without fear of being detected even at relatively small distances from the target. "American" need to reach the position of a volley so that the enemy did not have time to respond effectively. That is, the attack time should not exceed a few minutes, which corresponds to a distance of 10 – 12 kilometers. The probability of hitting even a single torpedo from such a distance is very high - 0,6 – 0,8. In a two-torpedo salvo, the target will be destroyed by 90 – 95 percent. The most effective response of the attacked can be a multi-torpedo salvo on the bearing for the shot and the noise of torpedoes. Only in the third variant - at the minimum distance - the chances of a submarine of the second generation and “Los Angeles” are to some extent equalized.

Looking forward to flying torpedoes

Now it is interesting to consider the likely tactics of the actions of the third-generation submarine, which has anti-submarine missiles in its set of weapons. This, of course, our project 971. "Shark" - the only submarine of the third generation with such a weapon. She has eight torpedo tubes. Of these, four caliber 650 millimeters and four - 533 millimeter. To solve the problems under consideration, one must assume that the loading of torpedo tubes will be primarily anti-submarine weapons. Therefore, we take this option: two PLUR “Wind” 86Р caliber 650 millimeters, the three most common, although the old torpedoes SET-65 in 533-mm TA and one self-propelled submarine simulator. Suppose that in addition to the submarine ammunition there are four PLUR “Wind” 86Р, four PLUR “Waterfall” 83Р and eight - ten SET-65.

Let's start with the possible nature of the actions of our submarine against the "Los Angeles". The range of target detection by the Shark is likely to be smaller, since we are still inferior to the American fleet in the knowledge of noise portraits of submarines of foreign countries - our experience in this area is significantly less. Americans fixed noise portraits of our submarines from the mid 60-x. Therefore, in favorable hydroacoustic conditions, the detection range of “Los Angeles” in the infrasonic range can be estimated in 45 – 70 kilometers, and in the sound range - in 25 – 30. With adverse - 40 – 50 kilometers and 15 – 20, with the position of the submarines on different sides of the “jump layer” - three - eight kilometers.

The most favorable option for the 971 project is to detect the enemy at a distance that exceeds the effective range of the Mk-48 torpedoes. At the same time, the target will be within the PLUR defeat area, which will allow the Shark to preempt the enemy in a strike. It will take from one to four hours for a target to reach a target by the sound path with the lowest possible noise, according to the infrasound channel. During this period, Los Angeles is likely to be able to “catch” our boat with the same infrasound path. When making contact with a target in the sound range, the Shark will use a PLUR. A launch from the 25 – 30 distance of kilometers will deliver an anti-submarine torpedo to the target area in less than a minute, which excludes the possibility of the target leaving the search zone for the PLUR warhead. But if it splashes out with an error that requires maneuvering to seize the target, Los Angeles will be able to effectively use its GAP tools. Otherwise, time will be very limited and the enemy will not have time to react. In this scenario, the probability of the defeat of “Los Angeles” by one PLUR is estimated at 0,2 – 0,5. A two-rocket salvo can be carried out to cover a large area of ​​uncertainty in the location of the enemy submarine. Further, with a high probability, contact with the target will be lost due to the use of GAP and intensive maneuvering by the enemy. Therefore, the "Shark" will take action to identify the results of the strike and search for a target, if it is not destroyed. Then a Los Angeles strike back and repeated launches of PLUR and torpedoes by our submarine are possible. The predicted outcome is the death of one of the "duelists" or the complete loss of contact with both. Two attacks with the use of PLUR provide the destruction of "Los Angeles" with the probability 0,6 – 0,7 while maintaining the combat capability of our submarine.

It should be noted that the Mk-48 torpedoes didn’t cancel the retaliatory strike: having detected the moment of their launch and the fact of movement, the commander can use the active mode of the SAC, since the enemy has detected and watches us, the secrecy is lost. According to the data obtained, the shooting parameters are corrected and a salvo is executed. In this case, the combat units of our PLUR will be in the target area earlier than the American torpedoes reach the "Shark". In any case, the first strike will be ours, and the enemy's submarine will have to take measures to evade. And this is likely to lead to a loss of contact with the target and the disruption of the telecontrol of the launched torpedoes. The result - a significant reduction in the probability of hitting our submarine.

The third option - a sudden mutual detection at the minimum distance - is the most unfavorable for us, since the enemy is likely to be within the dead zone of the PLUR and shooting will be carried out by ordinary torpedoes. Moreover, "Los Angeles", apparently, preempts our submarine in a volley and she will have to answer in the extreme shortage of time - the bill will go on for minutes. The three response set-65, taking into account the intensive maneuvering of the enemy’s submarine in evasion of our torpedoes and its use of effective HAP tools, can be used to estimate the likelihood of the destruction of Los Angeles at 0,15 – 0,2.

In the melee chances of little

In a battle with a submarine of the second generation or equivalent to it, for example, the English "Trafalgar" or the French "Rubis", our 971 project will have a noticeable superiority in the detection range of the enemy. The analysis shows that the targets identified at the predicted distances will be in the firing range of our PLUR.

In the first version, the Shark approaches the enemy at a distance of contact with the sound path GAK. Upon readiness of the source data, one or two PLURs are fired. The probability of hitting a target in case of a surprise strike and a short time to use GAP tools will amount to 0,4 – 0,7. Next, the submarines maneuver to restore (obtain) contact, identify the results of the attack and take positions for repeated volleys. During the battle, conditions may arise for the exchange of torpedo attacks.

The second option differs only in the fact that the primary detection occurs in the audio channel. The analysis shows: in a battle with a second-generation submarine, our 971 project has an undeniable superiority. Only in the case of simultaneous mutual detection at a short distance, the chances of the “Shark” are lower than those of the enemy — most likely, it will not be possible to use the PLUR. And here the superiority of the “Englishwoman” or “Frenchwoman” in the GAP facilities and the quality of the underwater weapon can affect. The probability of destroying a target with a salvo of two or three torpedoes can be estimated at 0,2 – 0,4.

The tactics of second-generation submarines and the final evaluation of duels will be the subject of the following article.
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  1. andrewkor
    andrewkor 25 November 2017 07: 56 New
    +5
    While the opponents only rammed each other, the 19th century, by golly !!!!
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 November 2017 11: 55 New
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      read ... read ... read .. tired, looked whose nonsense ... Well, of course, as I did not find out: Sivkov _I am to blame, I need to look at the author right away, and not read bullshit.
      1. flyer
        flyer 26 November 2017 14: 19 New
        +2
        The author simply threw a bubble into a puddle. I would like to ask how many LAs are in the US Navy and how many Sharks do we have? Alone on the go. And then far from that is already toothy. So smoke aside
        1. jjj
          jjj 27 November 2017 14: 56 New
          +1
          And, we must remember that the "moose" is very willing to crash somewhere. The boats are old. But at one time they were driven by ours back on 671 Ave. With ave. 971 it became really hard for them. Therefore, a modernized series appeared, outwardly it can be distinguished by the absence of horizontal rudders on the wheelhouse fence. In order to regain superiority, the States began a series of "Sea Wolf". But the high cost and complexity led to the start of the construction of the Virginia series. "Elk" are removed from the composition and change to "Virginia"
        2. RUSOIVAN
          RUSOIVAN 27 November 2017 15: 06 New
          0
          The author is bubbling, but you, dear, are not far from him. You confuse 971 ave. (Shark according to NATO classification) and 941 ave. (Shark according to our classification). 971 ave. - not one boat: google.
  2. burigaz2010
    burigaz2010 25 November 2017 08: 36 New
    +6
    Sivkov in his repertoire! I’m wondering which of the moderators missed such an article ???
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather 25 November 2017 11: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: burigaz2010
      Sivkov in his repertoire! I’m wondering which of the moderators missed such an article ???

      Yes Sivkov, it was published many times here, brains begin to flow from his writings. crying
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 25 November 2017 12: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: burigaz2010
      I’m wondering which of the moderators missed such an article ???

      laughing And what they have to do, they, their homegrown authors, have long been allowed to go under the knife, and what to give out to the mountain!
  3. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 25 November 2017 09: 12 New
    +4
    Quote: burigaz2010
    Sivkov in his repertoire! I’m wondering which of the moderators missed such an article ???

    Katz offers to give up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 25 November 2017 09: 35 New
      +1
      I am for.
      bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb
    2. burigaz2010
      burigaz2010 27 November 2017 13: 57 New
      0
      Yes Yes Yes give up!
  4. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 25 November 2017 09: 52 New
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    Quote: andrewkor
    While the opponents only rammed each other, the 19th century, by golly !!!!

    I don’t know about the rams, I know about the breakthrough to the Ronald Reagan AUG for the 3rd fleet of the US Navy, if I am not mistaken, the ANTEM K-150 in 1999. When all the boats including Los Angeles USS Los Angeles (SSN-688) searched for it. And additional forces given for her search. So the breakthrough was successful. But the U.S. Navy did not find it. While the author analyzes (((((The strengths and weaknesses of the underwater duelists before we return to their original positions are already known to us (“In the first "). Knowing the arsenal of means and conditions of warfare, we analyze how different boats can act in a one-on-one duel))) our sailors received awards personally from General Kvashnin.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 25 November 2017 16: 04 New
      +1
      Quote: Mar. Tira
      breakthrough to the AUG "Ronald Reagan" 3 US Navy fleet, if not mistaken, ANTEM K-150 in 1999

      Antey missiles fly five hundred kilometers, why should they break through to the AUG?
      1. jjj
        jjj 27 November 2017 14: 58 New
        0
        To less missiles adversary could bring down
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 27 November 2017 20: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: jjj
          To less missiles adversary could bring down

          These are your speculations. Penetrating inside an order is necessary only for a torpedo attack.
      2. Romario_Argo
        Romario_Argo 28 November 2017 15: 14 New
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        Antey missiles fly five hundred kilometers, why should they break through to the AUG?

        To less missiles adversary could bring down

        and against AUG aviation on our submarines and submarines, ammunition is included
        533mm containers with 9М317МД missiles with AGSN with a range of 75 km.
    2. Tda tar
      Tda tar 6 December 2017 11: 54 New
      0
      About "rams" is a joke in which only a fraction of the joke. Americans regularly in their super-super-wunderwafers drive on board the Russians like "roaring cows" (read about the collisions pl). Because they don’t hear a damn thing. It is the Americans. In addition, the fact that it is the Americans who enter means that they don’t hear precisely in the sectors of frontal observation (maximum acoustic sensitivity), entering in the shadow sectors of Soviet-Russian squares. This is a medical fact. This is not a question of the tactics of the ancient Greek fleets, but a "technological superiority of the United States." I'm not talking about the fact that the author did not hear anything about portraits of amers from Russian acoustics, nor about infrasound there, nor about inacoustic search-tracking methods, and much more.
  5. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 25 November 2017 10: 03 New
    +2
    And yet a theory is not a practice! The truth is simple: whoever prepares best will win.
  6. Old26
    Old26 25 November 2017 10: 21 New
    +6
    Again omnivorous Sivkov ....
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  8. Dimy4
    Dimy4 25 November 2017 14: 38 New
    0
    Is it time to open the kingstones?
  9. Eflintuk
    Eflintuk 25 November 2017 14: 56 New
    +2
    Show me our submariner who faced a duel situation with Los Angeles and knows when they found him ... It’s ridiculous to read these sofa theories and other tales “how we drove the AUG in the Middle Sea” ... It’s better to analyze the state of our underwater weapons, which stopped developing 50 years ago, then you can understand what the “dueling situation” will look like.
    1. jjj
      jjj 27 November 2017 15: 19 New
      0
      Here is one of the most eloquent examples:
      The Russian nuclear submarine of the 945 Ave. "Kostroma" was in the training ground near the Rybachy Peninsula, in the territorial waters of Russia. The American nuclear-powered ship Baton Rouge carried out reconnaissance missions and monitored its Russian "brother", following at a depth of about 15 meters. In the process of maneuvering the acoustics of an American boat they lost contact with Kostroma. And since there were five fishing vessels in the area, the noise of propellers which is similar to the noise of submarine propellers, then the Baton Rouge commander decided in 20 hours 8 minutes to emerge to the periscope depth and to understand the situation. At that moment, the Russian boat was lower than the American one and at 20 hours 13 minutes it also began to ascend to conduct a communication session with the shore. The fact of tracking their ship by Russian hydroacoustics was not detected and at 20 hours 16 minutes there was a collision of submarines. In a collision, "Kostroma" rammed the bottom of an American boat with its cabin. Our boat damaged the wheelhouse. Later, it was repaired. Of our crew, no one was hurt. The American boat was launched on the "needles". One crew member was killed.



      You can see how the fencing fence at Kostroma was damaged.



      So the fencing fence looked after repair. Pay attention to the unit drawn on the central white field of the star. This is just a sign of victory over an enemy ship.



      Button Rouge at the dock. The recycling process begins
  10. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 25 November 2017 15: 26 New
    +9
    The tactics of action of submarines are determined by the governing documents ...
    Yeah ... but experience, intuition, good fortune commander - all to the side ... or what?
    All those who acted according to the “cancer document” didn’t see any luck ... Marinescu generally acted “contrary” to German common sense, attacking the Gustlav from the shore, from the shallow water, where there was nowhere to hide for the boat.
    Then. The author never even mentioned AOKS, other non-hydroacoustic means of detecting enemy submarines. The Elk has a normal wake trace (and not only!), Therefore I would not be in a hurry to give the palm of primacy in the initial detection of the enemy to the Amam. Yes, according to these data it is impossible to shoot, but it is possible to make oneself by evaluating the D launch and CMC. The main thing is that the Elk should be "in the OMC egg". And then let yourself maneuver after starting the P-83 / 86. Here you can draw the exact distance! But let him try to dodge the second salvo!
    Another thing is striking. It seems to be a sailor, but about hydrology - not a sound ... Well, not a submariner, so write about what you know for sure. But you don’t know, ask Rudolph, dear mina, the same jjj ... They could tell a lot of things such as “what they don’t talk about, what they don’t teach at school” (c).
    I will say one thing. The lag is slowly but stubbornly overcome. SET-65 goes down in history. There is already USET-80, a Physicist, a Case ... New GPA tools, jammers, submarine simulators, hydro-acoustic coatings for housings, detection tools, CIUSs, etc. The point is small - to build and surrender the fleet. But as always: "no money, but you hold on!"
    1. NikWik
      NikWik 25 November 2017 21: 58 New
      +8
      Totally agree with you.
      The author (Sivkov) writes about things that have a very vague idea. Yes, the energy range of our CEOs is lower, but in the end it all depends on people. We even had contacts with amers on the 705 project. Moreover, judging by the nature of maneuvering, it happened that they were the first to be discovered. And we also knew that VA-111 is in our two TAs. and that even if the first salvo is after probable friends, then no later than after 50 seconds. A squall will leave the duty TA, from which it is very, very difficult to evade. CBD constantly practiced a duel with the first salvo behind the enemy.
      The author also did not hear about hydrology. In general - minus
  11. zzdimk
    zzdimk 25 November 2017 18: 18 New
    0
    What if. And where is the point?
  12. ZVO
    ZVO 25 November 2017 19: 50 New
    +2
    Question to apologists Sivkov ...
    Why did the adversaries abandon the ideas of PLUR back in the 70s?
    They developed options in the late 50s and early 60s and even adopted them, but literally immediately realized their futility and completely stopped R&D for all further upgrades and new types of PLUR. We waited for the final shelf life and removed from armaments ...
  13. VladimS
    VladimS 26 November 2017 00: 56 New
    0
    Everything is lost...
    However, as usual from this author.
    Not even surprised.
  14. Mar.Tirah
    Mar.Tirah 26 November 2017 06: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    breakthrough to the AUG "Ronald Reagan" 3 US Navy fleet, if not mistaken, ANTEM K-150 in 1999

    Antey missiles fly five hundred kilometers, why should they break through to the AUG?

    I can’t find an interview with the commander of “Tomsk” on television, but there he talked about the task and its implementation. They came to the shock position, the alleged movement of the aircraft carrier. They lay down on the ground, and he himself went overhead with the whole shobla . They could only conditionally shoot, and record the sounds of the propellers, to identify the ships. And not a single source could detect them.
  15. podgornovea
    podgornovea 26 November 2017 06: 38 New
    0
    Where are the numbers about the probability of detection, destruction?
    “From the forest,” or from the ceiling?
    What kind of sources and how much can you trust them?
    Or are all these “thoughts” and “Wishlist” sucked from a finger?
  16. 2534M
    2534M 26 November 2017 14: 46 New
    +2
    Quote: podgornovea
    Or are all these “thoughts” and “Wishlist” sucked from a finger?

    of course, the traditional Sivkov thrash with fingering
  17. 2534M
    2534M 26 November 2017 14: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Mar. Tira
    I can’t find an interview with the commander of “Tomsk” on television, but there he talked about the task and its implementation. They came to the shock position, the alleged movement of the aircraft carrier. They lay on the ground,

    and you won’t find it - for they couldn’t say such nonsense
  18. 2534M
    2534M 26 November 2017 15: 00 New
    +1
    Quote: ZVO
    Question to apologists Sivkov ...
    Why did the adversaries abandon the ideas of PLUR back in the 70s?
    They developed options in the late 50s and early 60s and even adopted them, but literally immediately realized their futility and completely stopped R&D for all further upgrades and new types of PLUR. We waited for the final shelf life and removed from armaments ...

    what does the "apologists Sivkova"? - if he himself could not even recognize the Old on the PCR;)
    Well, the West did not refuse PLUR, they are completely in the BC NK
    as for the submarine, if it weren’t for the collapse of the USSR, Silans in the naval submarine of the United States Navy would be
  19. 2534M
    2534M 26 November 2017 15: 04 New
    +1
    Quote: NikWik
    Yes, the energy range of our CEOs is lower, but in the end it all depends on people. We even had contacts with amers on the 705 project. Moreover, judging by the nature of maneuvering, it happened that they were the first to be discovered. And we also knew that VA-111 is in our two TAs. and that even if the first salvo is after probable friends, then no later than after 50 seconds. A squall will leave the duty TA, from which it is very, very difficult to evade. CBD constantly practiced a duel with the first salvo behind the enemy.

    let's have no tales
    1. The probability of taking the first contact for 705, taking into account its noise and energy GAS 0 zero point ... hundredths;)
    2. What are you going to do with a Flurry of “Extra Shoot”? Instrument contact? Remind me what troubles on the "Yenisei" were classified? And also what will happen to him after the first low-frequency device GPA PLA starts working?
    3. Remember the conditions of the start of the Flurry;) not to mention the fact that after the duty officer, the Flurry will leave at best for medium repairs (if not for cancellation)
    1. garri-lin
      garri-lin 26 November 2017 20: 03 New
      0
      And you can more specifically about the Flurry. I always thought that it was a defensive torpedo: always ready to start, quickly moving toward the target, special warheads. It turns out that I was mistaken, if possible, describe what. Thanks in advance.
  20. 2534M
    2534M 26 November 2017 15: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    All those who acted according to the “cancer document” didn’t see any luck ... Marinescu generally acted “contrary” to German common sense, attacking the Gustlav from the shore, from the shallow water, where there was nowhere to hide for the boat.
    Then. The author never even mentioned AOKS, other non-hydroacoustic means of detecting enemy submarines. The Elk has a normal wake trace (and not only!), Therefore I would not be in a hurry to give the palm of primacy in the initial detection of the enemy to the Amam. Yes, according to these data it is impossible to shoot, but it is possible to make oneself by evaluating the D launch and CMC. The main thing is that the Elk should be "in the OMC egg". And then let yourself maneuver after starting the P-83 / 86. Here you can draw the exact distance! But let him try to dodge the second salvo!
    Another thing is striking. It seems to be a sailor, but about hydrology - not a sound ... Well, not a submariner, so write about what you know for sure. But you don’t know, ask Rudolph, dear mina, the same jjj ... They could tell a lot of things such as “what they don’t talk about, what they don’t teach at school” (c).
    I will say one thing. The lag is slowly but stubbornly overcome. SET-65 goes down in history. There is already USET-80, a Physicist, a Case ... New GPA tools, jammers, submarine simulators, hydro-acoustic coatings for housings, detection tools, CIUSs, etc. The point is small - to build and surrender the fleet. But as always: "no money, but you hold on!"

    1. The attack of “Gustlova” is quite trivial, but on “Stoiben” - there really was skill
    2. In order to cover CMCs on CS with missiles, they need about HUNDRED PIECES IN ONE VOLUME - after some people publicly considered this, this nonsense was removed from the handdocks
    3. Without serious personnel cleaning there will be no nichrome http://otvaga2004.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=1321&a
    mp; p = 11 # p986684
    4. But the money swells DOHRENA. The only question is what ...
  21. 2534M
    2534M 26 November 2017 15: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: EFLINTuk
    Show me our submariner who faced a duel situation with Los Angeles and knows at the same time when he was discovered ...

    Well, I came across. And more than once.
    So what? - and I'm not alone;) - to put it mildly
    1. Eflintuk
      Eflintuk 26 November 2017 18: 32 New
      0
      I suppose you were not detected at the same time ... :) or maybe they were? Or maybe they followed you for a "week", but you didn’t know? How can one judge this?
  22. Nemesis
    Nemesis 1 December 2017 01: 26 New
    0
    All this is curious, but without taking into account the real state of affairs ... Los Angeles is an old submarine, the technical condition of which is not brilliant, which means that all this ideal painted by the author will not be anymore ... Most likely, it will not be a fight with Las Angeles , it’s not an attacking submarine, but a missile carrier ... It’s more correct to consider the Virginia nuclear submarine as an adversary, but they have big problems with the quality of the coating, which peels off and makes noise ... So the boats, although quite numerous, are not ideal ... There are the USA has a really dangerous project, it’s a submarine like the Sea Wolf ... These US boats were a success in all but the prohibitive cost that even the US budget did not pull ... Fortunately for those who do not want to live by order from Washington , the United States has only 3 submarines of the type of the Sea Wolf ... but these three are worth 10 Virginia ... because they are deprived of their shortcomings .... This is my personal opinion ...