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Elite, “onizdeti” and two interpretations of the Great Patriotic

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It is sad to look at all this and understand that a new split has occurred in society. But the reason it inspires, on the one hand, optimism, on the other - an understanding of the situation is somewhat depressing.


Elite, “onizdeti” and two interpretations of the Great Patriotic


History with the licking of the "innocently murdered" fascist agitated the public. Not for nothing. There is, in fact, the principle of "do not forget, do not forgive." Perfectly.

But there is a division into two categories. Those who began to growl at Kolya Desyatnichenko, who dropped tears from a fascist who doesn’t lie well in our land, and those who rushed to defend him.

Growls, of course, people. Or, as we are called, the electorate.

Protect the poor child of the elite.

Commissioner for the Rights of the Child on the Rights of the Child Anna Kuznetsova:

"It is necessary to leave the child alone, but take a closer look at the reasons for which this happened."

“I believe that international educational programs should in principle be cleared of ideology and even of the very possibility of its presence in projects with the participation of children. I called many times and I will repeat it again: stop manipulating children!”

Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov:

"It is obvious that the student did not mean anything bad, and it is obvious that the student was extremely worried when he spoke in the Bundestag."

Presidential Aide Andrei Fursenko:

“Young fellow citizens should be tolerant and aware that young fellow citizens should talk and help them.”

“With such important speeches, people should think a few times about what to talk about and calculate all their actions two steps ahead. In order for the guys to understand this, they should be given an exceptionally good education. ”

Well, what Fursenko, the father of our USE program, said is definitely the height of cynicism. With the rest, too, everything is more or less clear. Elites do not understand indignation.

Yes, everything is clear. "Onizhedeti" and all that.

Children of the elite. Of course, they will not go with the "Molotov cocktails" anywhere. They will simply grow up, get that very “exceptionally good education” and simply sell the country further. And they do not care about history for their own interests.

As we all see, work in this direction is underway. And go successfully. Our valiant elites are preparing for themselves no less worthy change.

I have no such claims to the boy Kolya. I have complaints about those who organized all this. And trips to the resting places of "innocent victims" of the Nazis, and visits to the Bundestag. This is the level. Both financial and diplomatic. Here, too, everything is clear.

In a crisis, Mr. Miller and Mr. Sechin need good and reliable contacts in the West. It's clear. Mr Peskov needs all things to be well with Mr Miller and Sechin. This requires some kind of strategic interests of the state.

Therefore, from the point of view of Mr. Peskov (Fursenko, Kuznetsova), nothing so terrible happened.

Nothing terrible happened from the point of view of “intellectual elites” who regularly stink in the information space. On the contrary, the mountain rose to the defense.

The understanding that we have different views on that war does not come immediately. You just have to delve into what the advocates of true democracy write. And here the interesting moments begin.

For some, that war is the Great Patriotic War. The war against the aggressor, who had treacherously invaded our land, who killed the civilian population and robbed the country. And the whole nation embarked on a war with the fascists. And won.

And for someone it is the Second World. The clash of two systems, national socialist and communist. Two totalitarian regimes clung to each other's throats. Already scorched comparison of Stalin and Hitler, and, from here, just the direct road to repentance and reconciliation.

To reconciliation just with those against whom our ancestors fought.

Damn two, you are our dear. Hell no.

It is here that the principle “do not forget, do not forgive” is in action.

It is clear that the history is written by these very elites. And we have already rewrote one story. Made from the Second World, as it was called one hundred and three years ago, imperialist.

That is exactly what happened. That war, which the people called Patriotic, because all Russia rose, was called imperialist. Because it was conducted for the interests of world imperialism.

I agree with this interpretation. The First World War was indeed imperialistic in essence. But the Russian people rose and went into battle when war was declared on Russia, and the troops of Germany and Austria-Hungary crossed our borders.

There is a difference? For historians and analysts - imperialistic, for the Russian soldier - Patriotic. He went to beat the German, who attacked his homeland.

The same with the Third or Great Patriotic. The soldiers went into battle with the Nazis, the children and wives went to the fields and to the machines. Everything for the front, everything for Victory.

And historians and analysts argue how great the chance was that Stalin would give an order and be the first to attack Germany. And how much the communist system was different from the national socialist one.

All repeats.

Today we actually know nothing about our heroes of the First World War. Those who died not for the interests of capitalism, but for their homeland. And only now we are trying to restore the memory of that war.

Meanwhile, in fact, by analogy with Ukraine, of our schoolchildren they make just such “Ivanov, not remembering kinship” at school.

Thanks to Mr. Fursenko, who loves for a good education. Thanks to him, including my daughter, she studied at the Lyceum according to Danilov’s 2013 sample textbook of the year.

World War I: 1 paragraph, 10 pages.
Great Patriotic War: 7 paragraphs, 45 pages. Including the Soviet-Finnish war, by the way.

Is that enough? For what?

In order to raise generations in a frankly miserable USE system, who will not know anything at all and who will not care who to bow to or repent to? Just to "solve the questions"?

Of course, the herd is easier to manage. And easier. The herd should dream of a new version of “iPhone” and likes in social networks.

And the grown-up “onizdeti” elites will quietly take the reins in their hands and lead the flock to a brighter future.

Through repentance and the recognition that not all fascists wanted to fight. On the contrary, they did not want at all. It so happened that they reached Moscow and the Don. Reluctantly. They did not want to kill the Russians. They did not even shoot at them. The Russians themselves committed suicide by millions on the front lines and in German camps. Just because they were savages, fooled by communist propaganda. And they did not understand that the Germans carried them freedom from the totalitarian regime. From the camps of Beria.

And the Russians did not appreciate this. And they killed the Germans. They killed, as it is necessary to kill the enemy.

Yes, apparently, this will be a new trend: sobbing over the enemy.

Question: why not remember not an obscure fascist who was fortunate enough to survive in Stalingrad, but, for example, Hero of the Soviet Union (posthumously) Fritz Paul Shmenkel, partisan and intelligence officer of the Western Front, in 1942, who came over to our side and was shot by the Germans in 1944 when the group was ambushed and destroyed?

Here he just did not want to fight for the Nazis.

Or the crew of the "Junkers", who flew to us 25 June 1941, near Kiev. Hans Hermann, Hans Kratz, Adolf Appel, Wilhelm Schmidt. Here they also did not want to fight.

But it is unlikely that these names will be favorably received in the Bundestag.

And it is unlikely the elite "onizdedetyam" someone will give a piece of paper with these names. Not for that went like.

Summary: in principle, the policy of the "top" is clear as day. From the comments of persons in positions who have a position of President of the Russian Federation.

In the furnace history, there is the same ideology.

Long live the future of Russia, which will be arranged by generations free from knowledge and understanding of history, free from ideology. But at the same time free from honor, conscience and national dignity.

Then we will definitely live no worse than the Germans. The main thing is to come to the polls and vote correctly. The rest will be done for us.
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  1. dSK
    dSK 22 November 2017 06: 53 New
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    "And do not be afraid of those who kill the body, but you cannot kill souls; but fear more of him who can destroy both soul and body in hell." (Good News Matthew 10:28) hi
    1. My address
      My address 22 November 2017 07: 27 New
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      hi Are you talking about the president comrades? Then join.
      By the way, for the interest, the old man I was very sick. In the morning today the temperature is 38. I wanted to call a doctor at home. There was a doctor on our site, not a paramedic, as on many others, but she was gone, she could not stand the official salary in 53 tr, as KuYvashev declared. Dismissed from the actual 20 of thousands with awesome load. This is me to the fact that the president this September stated that the time for receiving patients should be tripled. I wonder what country he lives in? And in 2013 he promised to create 2020 million new jobs by 25, two years left, so I think, in what country did he promise to create it?
      And again an old joke about the article:
      Anyone who finished school before the 1992 of the year should be issued a diploma of higher education, and not less than a third of them have certificates of candidates and doctors of science.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 22 November 2017 07: 40 New
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        In a crisis, Mr. Miller and Mr. Sechin need good and reliable contacts in the West. ......... And? Now what? For the sake of these contacts we will betray our fathers and grandfathers, mothers and grandmothers? Our ancestors? By the way, the representatives of Gazprom breasted defended this "trembling battle" ....
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 22 November 2017 08: 20 New
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          Great article! And the existence of a problem in the division of public education in our country on a class basis is fixed and stated by the author absolutely correctly!
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 22 November 2017 12: 30 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            And the existence of a problem in the division of public education in our country on a class basis is fixed and stated by the author absolutely correctly!

            “Young fellow citizens should be tolerant and aware that young fellow citizens should talk and help them.”

            That kind of tolerance brought Ukraine to collapse. A generation of young Nazis has grown up and now the Donbass is covered in blood.
            Here is an extract from the order of May 13, 1941, William Keitel. I already laid it out ...
            As regards crimes committed by military personnel and civilians in relation to the local population, the decree provided for the following actions.
            1.For actions committed by Wehrmacht personnel and service personnel in relation to enemy civilians, there will be no compulsory prosecution even in cases where these acts constitute a war crime or misconduct.
            2. When evaluating such actions, it must be borne in mind that the defeat in 1918, the period that followed the suffering of the German people, as well as the struggle against National Socialism, which required countless bloody sacrifices, were the result of Bolshevik influence, which no German had forgotten.
            3. The judge shall decide whether in such cases a disciplinary sanction should be imposed or whether a trial is necessary. The judge prescribes the prosecution of acts against local residents in the military court only when it comes to non-compliance with military discipline or a threat to the security of troops. This applies, for example, to serious misconduct on the basis of sexual licentiousness, criminal tendencies, or misconduct that can lead to the decomposition of troops. Criminal actions, as a result of which locations, as well as stocks or other military trophies to the detriment of their troops, were not subject to mitigation.
            4. When considering, it is necessary to be extremely cautious about the testimonies of enemy civilians.

            That is, this is not the SS, not some special units, but for the REGULAR VERMACHT SOLDIERS.
            In the first months of the war, 600 Soviet prisoners of war were killed. The Nazis simply did not intend to keep our soldiers captive and did not care about conventions and treaties.
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 22 November 2017 16: 44 New
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            The novel is on top again today!
            That's right, it's all about the case!
            Keep soldier
        2. Varyag_0711
          Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 09: 09 New
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          210quq Today, 07:40 ↑ New
          In a crisis, Mr. Miller and Mr. Sechin need good and reliable contacts in the West. ......... And? Now what? For the sake of these contacts we will betray our fathers and grandfathers, mothers and grandmothers? Our ancestors? By the way, the representatives of Gazprom breasted defended this "trembling battle" ....
          I would put this vyunosha in the Donbass for a month for re-education, that’s where they would teach him HOW to love the Motherland. But, I have another question, why does everyone remember only Kolya’s boy, why is everyone silent about the girl? About the boy, Kolya has already been dug up all the ins and outs, and who is the girl? However, it is clear that this is the feeding of one school. Where are we going, gentlemen, comrades? And most importantly, what will we come to?
          But in general, the article is good and correct, but only who will hear us? Well, we spit here, well, we are indignant, and then what? Will something change from this? One hope is that there are still parents in the country who can raise a child on their own, but there are not so many of them.
          It is such subjects as history and literature that educate the citizen and patriot. Extinguish them, scare them, chatter and all, at the output we get mankurts of kinship that do not remember. And who can we raise if it is not possible to watch modern films about the Great Patriotic War, with very few exceptions? And so in everything, all around one dirt and a lie, and about the war, and about Stalin, and about everything else.
          And Roman wants to say that we ourselves are to blame. Here on the site, everything is quite comfortable that God is no longer good, ranging from petty Russophobes to rabid fascists, whom by the way none of the admins touch with a finger, tolerance and freedom of speech, her mother is in the draw. And yet, Roman, since you undertake to write about the so-called "second Russian", it would not be bad to know the history of this very war. It was not the Germans who attacked us in WWI, but quite the opposite! Maybe at first someone called it domestic, then these illusions quickly ended, the war was just imperialist, and our people pulled Tsar-Father Nikolai into this massacre, nicknamed Bloody and did not get his nickname from scratch. So let's not bend the story for the sake of the local bakers. Let's start at least small, maybe with these little things, something will shift in the minds of young people? And then they have a cognitive dissonance from the fact that they are told one thing by the box, the other at school, and the third parents, that is, they grow mankurt.
          1. badens1111
            badens1111 22 November 2017 11: 50 New
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            Quote: Varyag_0711
            I would put this vyunosha in the Donbass for a month for re-education, that’s where they would teach him HOW to love the Motherland.

            Stalin picks up the phone, says:

            - Lavrenty ... I saw a report about a boy from Novy Urengoy. Write it down. History teachers - in Taimyr, let the deer read the story. School principals - to stokers, for life. The mayor of the city and the chairman of the city administration - on a business trip, to Stalin's places. There and leave, for fifteen years, without the right to correspondence.

            - Got it, Comrade Stalin. What about the boy?

            - Award the boy.

            “I don’t understand, Comrade Stalin ...”

            - To reward. Issue a certificate of honor. So many enemies of the people handed over to us.[B] [/ b] laughing
            1. Varyag_0711
              Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 11: 52 New
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              badens1111 Today, 11:50 ↑
              Stalin picks up the phone, says:
              Bravo, colleague! good Figured it out myself?
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 22 November 2017 12: 04 New
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                Quote: Varyag_0711
                Figured it out myself?

                No .. from the vastness of Internet pulled ..
                And here's another. Clearly said.
                NOW AND HERE

                Made in Russia! Simple, simple

                Russophobes write speeches for children,

                Russophobia is paid to children - and for good reason:

                They are being transported to Europe, simply put,

                Accuse Russia of Hitler’s death!



                Made in Russia! Simple, no fancy -

                Hatred of Russia to drag in children,

                So that they star, with the spirit of soaring,

                They were given a muzzle of guilt not in vain -

                Accuse Russia of Hitler’s death!



                Made in Russia! Simple, no fancy -

                Russophobes are eager to consume children,

                Children's columns this consumer

                Will lead to a rally - hatred for:

                Hatred of Russia - the face of Hitler!



                Made in Russia! Simple, no fancy -

                Surrendered to Russophobes, surrendered children,

                There is not a drop of the latest news in this!

                These captive children are told to get in for a reason

                The fault is the muzzle that Hitler has!



                Made in Russia! Simple, simple

                The rate of Russophobia is only on children,

                To blame the muzzle, simply put,

                Put on the children, soaring,

                And they traveled all over the planet for good reason

                Accuse Russia of Hitler’s death!



                Yunna Moritz
          2. your1970
            your1970 22 November 2017 15: 13 New
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            "But the Russian people rose and went into battle when Russia was declared a war, and the troops of Germany and Austria-Hungary crossed our borders." - it seems that the article is correct, but on the other hand, when distort....
            Prussia - in which invaded RIA in August 1914 at that time was Germany..
            so the war was absolutely imperialist - alas, ah author of the article
            1. ALEA IACTA EST
              ALEA IACTA EST 22 November 2017 18: 26 New
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              It is better to fight for your country on the land of the enemy.
              1. your1970
                your1970 23 November 2017 09: 57 New
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                Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
                It is better to fight for your country on the land of the enemy.
                - It was the Fuhrer of the German nation A. Hitler who said this. It was precisely this that led to the collapse of Germany. I wondered .....
        3. siberalt
          siberalt 22 November 2017 09: 22 New
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          Gazprom desperately needs a "north stream 2". A business for profit will go to any crime.
          1. Alexander Nezgovorov
            Alexander Nezgovorov 22 November 2017 15: 46 New
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            Please note that from the screens of all TV channels "... the strength of the Siberian family and .... VALENCE OF THE PEOPLE !!!"
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 22 November 2017 16: 42 New
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              Quote: Alexander Nezgovorov
              Please note that from the screens of all TV channels "... the strength of the Siberian family and .... VALENCE OF THE PEOPLE !!!"

              Yeah, they knew it was a lie!
        4. AA17
          AA17 22 November 2017 12: 25 New
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          Dear 210qq. I agree with you. That “watershed” is beginning to emerge between the 10% of Russians who manage almost 90% of the national wealth and the rest of the Russian population. "Kolya Boy" could not have just arisen in the Bundestag. This young man can be considered as an "envelope with a letter", which was addressed to our "Western partners." This is prompted by facts. "Boy" couldn’t get into the Bundestag like that (This is not a trip to Disneyland). His presentation (text content) was agreed with the host. On the Russian side, the text of his speech was to be edited by representatives of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the FSB. (This student is a representative of Russia). Let's see how it all ends.
          P.S. "..." In this case, such an exalted persecution is completely incomprehensible, which began to occur. It is obvious that the student did not mean anything bad, it is obvious that the student was extremely worried when he spoke in the Bundestag, "RIA Novosti quotes Peskova ... . "
          1. Nbyf
            Nbyf 22 November 2017 13: 13 New
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            And why the hell, Mr. Peskov, the worried boy was entrusted with making such responsible speeches on behalf of the people of Russia. We do not blame Kolya, but the government, which has given full freedom to left-wingers in the country, we blame the Ministry of Education, we blame the general education system imposed on us by the West along with the damned USE .We accuse Furchenko with his words “we have to talk.” So why is there no room for talk about World War II in the school curriculum? Why did Solzhenitsyn replace the children of the Young Guard in the school curriculum? Lord, when will it end? On television, some brave fighters of the United States, half-wicked and sincere worship of money. By the way, the United States cares about its patriotism very much. Russia now looks wretched and humble in this respect compared to the United States, nodding its head and accepting all the derogatory innovations. Peskov, a schoolboy, of course,
            I’ve been worried ", now, in fairness, it’s worth bringing the children from Germany to the meeting of the State Duma and let these children tell us how they treat our memory of the fallen Soviet soldiers in the West and ask us for forgiveness for this. Germany rules in the EU, but does not pay attention to desecration of Soviet monuments in the EU countries. We are waiting, Peskov, for repentance from German children, unless, of course, they know something about this war. Today, all that the people of Russia cements is the memory of the war and The Union did not invent another ideology, the new Russians. Well, take away the last sincere memory, and then cry yourself, having lost everything and not our fault.
            1. your1970
              your1970 22 November 2017 15: 19 New
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              Quote: Nbyf
              We do not blame Kolya, but the government that has given full will leftists in the country,
              - i.e. you don’t know that what you are accusing the government of is the right idea, but what you are proposing is just the left. Has the government given you "full freedom"? Or is it still bourgeois ideas?

              If only to glue labels, and think with your head, read there - yeah, schaz ... fool fool
              1. japs
                japs 22 November 2017 20: 51 New
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                sv1970 "...."
                For me, you are wrong, and the Russian designation "left" does not apply here to left-wing political views, it just means "outsiders, strangers, not faithful."
                The meaning of the statement is evaluated in the context, and not in separate words.
                Accept and so on ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 23 November 2017 09: 52 New
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                  Quote: japs
                  japs Yesterday, 20:51 ↑
                  sv1970 "...."

                  if the text is full of stupid sentences / mistakes / labels / separate delusional phrases / incoherences, this does not mean that the context will be clear and understandable ALL.For example, from his cries, I understood nothing, except that he was dissatisfied with something ...
                  if the author cannot bind thoughts together, incoherent and rather hysterical - then why does he speak of the type TOTAL people?
            2. E_V_N
              E_V_N 24 November 2017 11: 14 New
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              Quote: Nbyf
              And why the hell, Mr. Peskov, the worried boy was entrusted with making such responsible speeches on behalf of the people of Russia.

              Mr. Peskov, himself, had a daughter studying abroad about Russia and Russians, who, to put it mildly, did not like. So that he understands Kolya very much.
            3. The comment was deleted.
          2. BAI
            BAI 22 November 2017 14: 15 New
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            Let's see how it all ends.

            I must say right away - NOTHING! From the word "completely" and "never."
        5. Nbyf
          Nbyf 22 November 2017 12: 46 New
          +6
          So Gazprom subsidizes all this, all these trips, contacts and, apparently, prepared speeches.
        6. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 November 2017 13: 07 New
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          Quote: 210ox
          In a crisis, Mr. Miller and Mr. Sechin need good and reliable contacts in the West. ......... And? Now what? For the sake of these contacts we will betray our fathers and grandfathers, mothers and grandmothers? Our ancestors? By the way, the representatives of Gazprom breasted defended this "trembling battle" ....

          On the topic of profits, money and the future for the state, Yakov Kedmi said very correctly ...
        7. NEXUS
          NEXUS 22 November 2017 21: 17 New
          +7
          Quote: 210ox
          In a crisis, Mr. Miller and Mr. Sechin need good and reliable contacts in the West. ...

          1. badens1111
            badens1111 22 November 2017 23: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            In a crisis, Mr. Miller and Mr. Sechin need good and reliable contacts in the West. ...

            And so these are.
            http://maxpark.com/community/5652/content/6091478
      2. urman
        urman 22 November 2017 07: 49 New
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        Well, it's not for nothing that old teachers say
        that a modern excellent student in terms of knowledge, a solid Soviet treasury.
        1. Rey_ka
          Rey_ka 22 November 2017 08: 39 New
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          THREE will be correct. Sorry
          1. urman
            urman 22 November 2017 16: 34 New
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            Forgive laughing Sincerely, the former troosh .... laughing
        2. japs
          japs 22 November 2017 20: 55 New
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          A solid Soviet threesome - today would be a gold medalist in a gymnasium ...
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 24 November 2017 11: 19 New
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            Quote: japs
            A solid Soviet threesome - today would be a gold medalist in a gymnasium ...

            and a Soviet excellent student, can you immediately consider an academician?))
            1. urman
              urman 28 November 2017 09: 09 New
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              Quote: E_V_N
              and a Soviet excellent student, can you immediately consider an academician?))

              And my classmate, a gold medalist, studied French, well, having moved to us, I had to study English because we didn’t have a French teacher and after 2 years passed my graduation in English.
              And then my younger sister taught English, my sister also finished ped in language. They are still friends, and so am I.
              Unfortunately, I live far away now and my grandson has to hire tutors.
      3. Seraphimamur
        Seraphimamur 22 November 2017 08: 20 New
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        I think 25 million jobs in Germany, Japan and Korea because mostly expensive cars drive these countries.
        1. Alexanast
          Alexanast 22 November 2017 13: 24 New
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          Quote: Seraphimamur
          Germany, Japan and Korea because mostly expensive cars drive these countries.


          I've got Nivuha ... fellow
          I wanted to support a domestic manufacturer ... lol
          Supported ... see not only the manufacturer ... request
          For 7 years, to say in Russian, "without pants" ... crying
          Or maybe I'm "not expensive" Russian. crying
          1. E_V_N
            E_V_N 24 November 2017 11: 21 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexanast


            I've got Nivuha ... fellow
            I wanted to support a domestic manufacturer ... lol
            Supported ... see not only the manufacturer ... request
            For 7 years, to say in Russian, "without pants" ... crying
            Or maybe I'm "not expensive" Russian. crying

            It must be understood that a Mercedes, Toyota or Volkswagen would make you rich)))
      4. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 22 November 2017 09: 47 New
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        Quote: My address
        Anyone who finished school before the 1992 of the year should be issued a diploma of higher education, and not less than a third of them have certificates of candidates and doctors of science.

        I'm done at 1992. Fall into this category?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 22 November 2017 10: 46 New
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          AllXVahhaB
          I'm done at 1992. Fall into this category?
          Ha! I think you don’t quite get it. Young teachers and their superiors TRIED Soviet education and began to break it already in 1986! They demanded to transfer school education to market rails and profit from it in the same way as shareholders in self-supporting enterprises. In fact, they demanded to separate schools from public education.
          It was in 1986 that Gorbachev's reforms in education began with the result of the so-called "new thinking" according to Soros. First of all, in the USSR in 1986 the institute of inspectors in Rono was canceled, who visited schools every day throughout the school year and checked during the lesson the work of the teachers themselves, how they themselves were prepared for the lesson. This has not happened since then. According to the Soros program, teachers began to introduce the so-called copyright programs in education. Teachers began to teach without control what is much more.
          And already in 1990, deputies of the Leningrad City Council proposed a draft reform of public education, the essence of which was to transfer free school education to a paid one. At the same time, only elementary school was offered to be left free. And for secondary education at 4 schools in the 1 microdistrict to make elite paid - for the "nouveau riche", and in the rest to reduce the teaching of existing subjects and the number of hours to a minimum. Moreover, in ordinary schools - for children of simple hard workers - everything that teachers do not get to Soviet education should be paid.
          Parents' committees warned the authorities of St. Petersburg that if such a proposal for reforming school education in the city passes, then a general strike will be announced in the northern capital by the parents. The project then failed. But reform of the curriculum for Soros continued in the country with a quiet paw.
          1. vovanpain
            vovanpain 22 November 2017 11: 14 New
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            Quote: Tatiana
            But reform of the curriculum for Soros continued in the country with a quiet paw.

            Tatyana love hi Apparently I was lucky all the same, I graduated from school in 1984 and all this rubbish passed by my brain, and the results of all this bacchanalia now come out in the faces of such Kolenoks. love hi
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 22 November 2017 11: 52 New
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              vovanpain
              the results of all this bacchanalia now come out in the faces of such Kolenoks.
              Nikolai Desyatnichenko is now back in Novy Urengoy. Of course, he is upset, because he did not dream of such a damned “Glory” about himself!

              Maybe this young man will understand everything correctly and understand that they were used for unclean purposes by the same teachers and leaders of the Novy Urengoy gymnasium No. 1 who are protecting him now, but actually protecting themselves, their marriage at work. He will understand that his political “failure” lies with their conscience. But it will be difficult for him.
              Judging by the video, the teachers admit no guilt! But his teachers are the same market-born degenerates who morally decompose everything around them — these are the very Sorosites of the Gorbachev “perestroika” in teaching and education. A teacher cannot be a traitor out of consumer considerations of money-grubbing? Maybe if he is a teacher not by calling, then even easily! They are these teachers who justify Nikolai Desyatnichenko, in this case they themselves organized a sabotage against our country in the Bundestag - and they must not only answer for this, but also be punished! They are even more guilty than their pupil!
              1. Sotskiy
                Sotskiy 22 November 2017 12: 51 New
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                Quote: Tatiana
                teachers and leaders of the gymnasium No. 1 of Novy Urengoy, who now protect him, but in fact protect themselves, their marriage at work.

                On the contrary!
                This is not a marriage in their work, this is just the crown of their work. Judging by their statements, they achieved such a “result”.
                But I wouldn’t remove the guilt from the “baby” Kolenka. Let me give an example of one-year-old Kolenka, although times were different and Kolenka was not tortured, unlike his one-year-olds in German captivity. For those who remember:
                Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, Oleg Koshevoi, Lyubov Shevtsova, Ulyana Gromova, Vera Voloshina, Lisa Chaykina, Lenya Golikov, Viktor Khomenko, Larisa Mikheenko, Alexander Chekalin, Valya Kotik, Marat Kazey, Volodya Dubinin, Zina Portnova, Vitya Cherevichkin and other unknown young people Homeland, which mined Victory working at the machine on 20 hours a day.
                But Kolenka is one of the new creative “heroes” who were so vividly described by Arkady Gaidar in his “Tale of Military Secret, of Malchish-Kibalchish and His Hard Word”. Guess who I was?)
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 22 November 2017 13: 33 New
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                  Sotskiy
                  On the contrary!
                  This is not a marriage in their work, this is just the crown of their work.
                  Ha! The “crown” of their work will be different even when the vast majority of these market teachers cut off the branch on which they sit. Those. when the number of schools is reduced to such an extent that they, the Russian teachers, overwhelmingly under capitalism in colonial Russia, will be unemployed and, at best, will work for the conqueror in some private school as cleaners for a soup soup.
                  The colonialists generally do not need education for the natives in the country they have captured. The need for teachers will then be in Russia only once, twice and miscalculated!
                  1. Sotskiy
                    Sotskiy 22 November 2017 13: 47 New
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    The need for teachers will then be in Russia only once, twice and miscalculated!

                    Do you think such ideological "temporary workers" think about something before? On the contrary, they are sure that their system and power is eternal. But when the changes come, they will squeal that they were misunderstood and in general, they sleep and see how they will again wear red ties to children).
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 22 November 2017 14: 04 New
                      +7
                      Sotskiy
                      Do you think such ideological "temporary workers" think about something before? On the contrary, they are sure that their system and power is eternal. But when the changes come, they will squeal that they were misunderstood and in general, they sleep and see how they will again wear red ties to children).
                      Actually, something similar happened in history. Namely.
                      During the Second World War, some Soviet teachers in the occupied Soviet territories quickly sold themselves to German fascists and, having served themselves with the invaders, praised German Nazism to Russian children, justifying the slave position of the indigenous population before the Nazis. Many of these traitor teachers had material incentives from the German command, and even in the form of a free sightseeing trip to Germany.
                      During the liberation of Soviet cities by the Red Army, these traitor teachers, as a rule, fled along with the retreating units of the Wehrmacht.
                      1. Sotskiy
                        Sotskiy 22 November 2017 14: 06 New
                        +7
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        When the Red Army liberated Soviet cities, these traitor teachers, as a rule, fled along with the retreating units of the Wehrmacht

                        Will we wait for the second coming of the Red Army?
                    2. japs
                      japs 22 November 2017 21: 04 New
                      +8
                      We begin to notice something like this among the non-brothers ...
                      It will manifest itself more and more, to a state
                      "achejakannosti".
                  2. olimpiada15
                    olimpiada15 22 November 2017 18: 53 New
                    +1
                    Tatyana, you do not seem to be aware of school problems. There are no teachers already today, teachers work with a double load, the only way they pull on an acceptable salary. The teacher’s first rate is 1 thousand, not a beginner, but an experienced teacher. From the fact that the experience of 12 years of the salary does not increase. However, the situation in the capital is likely to be different, where "elite children" are taught.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 22 November 2017 22: 16 New
                      +2
                      olimpiada15
                      Tatyana, you do not seem to be aware of school problems. There are no teachers already today, teachers work with a double load, the only way they pull on an acceptable salary. 1 teacher rate - 12 thousand, not a beginner, but an experienced teacher.
                      Each case must be considered separately.
                      In the metropolitan regions, everything is fine with teachers with a salary. There are no free vacancies in the city. And their earnings are more than decent.
                      I don’t know what region you have.
                      From the fact that the experience of 30 years of salary does not increase.
                      With this experience, the teacher is already a pensioner and receives a pension regardless of reaching the retirement age of old age of 55 years for women and 60 years for men for production workers and non-budget employees.
                      For example, if a woman teacher began her teaching experience in 19 years after the teacher training college, then we get that she will retire in 19 + 25 = 44 years. Moreover, she will receive a pension from these same 44 years of age, and not wait for the fulfillment of 55 years, as in work (now for women in 63 years).
                      If a teacher continues to work after retiring in 44 of the year, then she immediately receives both a pension and a salary in all respects. Further, in my opinion, the salary does not depend on experience (over 25 years), but depends only on the position. In the same way, in production. It used to be anyway. I don’t know now. In Soviet times, the allowances for working pensioners were good annually, but only, in my opinion, in the first 7 years after retirement. Then they also stopped.
                      In general, all this needs to be clarified.
                      1. E_V_N
                        E_V_N 24 November 2017 11: 35 New
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                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Further, in my opinion, the salary does not depend on experience (over 25 years), but depends only on the position. In the same way, in production. It used to be anyway. I don’t know now. In Soviet times, the allowances for working pensioners were good annually, but only, in my opinion, in the first 7 years after retirement.

                        The teacher's salary depends on the load (hours of teaching), category, additional loads (additional classes, museums, circles, classroom management, etc.) + pension for length of service or old age.
                        In Soviet times, the pension did not increase during work in retirement age if the required length of service (20 years of a woman, 25 years of a man) was worked out, for each year over the necessary length of service 1% was added but not more than 10%. As a result, the maximum pension was 120 rubles + 10%; as a result, the absolute maximum was 132 rubles. for production. There were also “harmful” categories, for example miners, their ceiling was 160 rubles
                2. Deck
                  Deck 24 November 2017 07: 12 New
                  +1
                  But Kolenka is one of the new creative “heroes” who were so vividly described by Arkady Gaidar in his “Tale of Military Secret, of Malchish-Kibalchish and His Hard Word”. Guess who I was?)


                  In real life, things are not so simple: Sergey Ostapenko, who played Kibalchish becoming a prominent mathematician, he left to teach in America, thrives in Florida, and Sergei Tikhonov, after the “Boy”, got in touch with a punks and got drunk under the tram in Moscow. Life and cinema are two different things.
                3. SergeyZel
                  SergeyZel 25 November 2017 12: 54 New
                  +2
                  Huge respect for the mention of the names of pioneer heroes. I began to forget. And, apparently, the grandson and great-granddaughter of A. Gaidar did not read his "fairy tales". It’s a pity it would not hurt.
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          2. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 22 November 2017 12: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: Tatiana
            Moreover, in ordinary schools - for children of simple hard workers - everything that teachers do not get to Soviet education should be paid.

            I studied in Kazakhstan. In my class, both the son of the director of the reinforcement plant and the son of the school cleaner studied. It was a usual school?
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 22 November 2017 12: 10 New
              +4
              I am talking about the school reform reform project put forward by the deputies of the Lensovet (in St. Petersburg) in 1990 as a pilot project for the whole country. So far, at that time, all the children of all parents studied together. Stratification in society has already begun. Therefore, the emergence of demand appeared and supply.
          3. SergeyZel
            SergeyZel 25 November 2017 12: 15 New
            +1
            Tatyana, just not a “DAC”, but a SAPA. This is such a hidden trench, in which in the old days they dragged the powder charge under the fortress wall to undermine it. Therefore, "quiet."
            But, this is so, by the way.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 25 November 2017 12: 30 New
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              SergeyZel
              Tatyana, just not a “DAC”, but a SAPA.
              Sergey! Thank you for the military clue and clarification! I was not in the know! hi
              And then from the school bench from a teacher in Russian language and literature all my life I thought that the proverb is talking about a heron bird, when it is hunting, periodically freezing, creeps up to its prey - frogs! laughing I don’t remember already, because of what I got this opinion. Probably due to some non-military story about nature and animals.
              Thanks again! drinks
      5. Skeptic
        Skeptic 22 November 2017 11: 17 New
        +1
        Quote: My address
        Anyone who finished school before the 1992 of the year should be issued a diploma of higher education, and not less than a third of them have certificates of candidates and doctors of science.

        Ha, ha accidentally not you pulling for a candidate of science. You think everyone who graduated from high school and university before the age of 92, such as you.
        The article is hysterical. It makes sense that some, because of the narrow circle of communication, believe that all people share their opinion. World War II degeneration occurred at the kitchen level in the mid-80s. Now it is only slipping into the field of view of those who, until the last moment, tried not to notice it. So this is a fact of history and it is not accidental, and not even out of malice, but in view of the laws it turned out to happen.
        1. vovanpain
          vovanpain 22 November 2017 11: 52 New
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          Quote: SkepticCynic
          The article is hysterical. It takes some that due to the narrow circle of friends

          So far your comment is hysterical, in contrast to which the article makes a person think, but the process of comprehension does not seem to threaten you. request
          1. Skeptic
            Skeptic 22 November 2017 14: 51 New
            +2
            What to think about? What is the product of thinking? A statement of the phenomenon of differences in the assessment of the past between different groups of society? Feverish actions frightened officials until their ardor was condemned from above? I like the concept of children. You understand that then it was only an occasion. They are children - this is not a cause, this is a consequence, not a tool as they want here think.
          2. your1970
            your1970 22 November 2017 15: 36 New
            +2
            Degeroization really happened in the 80s and the fault, including Soviet education and Soviet historical science. Concealment / distortion of historical facts took place and was quite strong. Pro in the Soviet history textbooks there was a page of text for example. The amount of losses at the beginning of the war, the amount of equipment, weapons, desertion, about the Volga Germans, for example, for example, wrote simply “resettled” and that’s all - and the fact that at the same time quite a lot of silent Germans were removed from the front. And such a breakthrough ..
            What is so terribly secret in the "2-wheeled bicycle trolley for transporting carrier pigeons 1928." - that information about her was declassified already in 1998. In ampoules of 1938? Who didn’t allow to declassify such things in the Soviet era? They were afraid that the people would ask, why was everything so inept in 1941 with so many equipment / hp?
            They lied .....

            Otherwise, there would not be such a surge in the books of Rezun - which were read by the people as a revelation
        2. Nbyf
          Nbyf 22 November 2017 14: 38 New
          +5
          To understand your verbiage, you need to read, rearrange sentences, place commas and read again in the editorial office. Who taught you?. With such a study, you will not remember the name of your mother, not like the Great Patriotic War.
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 22 November 2017 22: 03 New
          +2
          Quote: SkepticCynic
          It makes sense that some, because of the narrow circle of communication, believe that all people share their opinion.

          Judging by the style of writing you graduated from high school after 1992)))
          1. Skeptic
            Skeptic 23 November 2017 01: 37 New
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            Quote: AllXVahhaB
            Quote: SkepticCynic
            It makes sense that some, because of the narrow circle of communication, believe that all people share their opinion.

            Judging by the style of writing you graduated from high school after 1992)))

            Yes. There will be more discoveries write.
            Quote: Nbyf
            To understand your verbiage, you need to read, rearrange sentences, place commas and read again in the editorial office. Who taught you?. With such a study, you will not remember the name of your mother, not like the Great Patriotic War.

            In another way, a hermeneutic circle I can not achieve.
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 23 November 2017 08: 23 New
              +3
              Quote: SkepticCynic
              In another way, a hermeneutic circle I can not achieve.

              But where are you to the dialectic of the part and the whole? You, for a start, learn to write without grammatical errors!
      6. Barmal
        Barmal 22 November 2017 12: 28 New
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        These education reforms are not just.

        1. Barmal
          Barmal 22 November 2017 12: 58 New
          +3
          The situation with the Urengoy schoolchild takes an interesting turn


          http://politikus.ru/v-rossii/101757-situaciya-s-u
          rengoyskim-shkolnikom-prinimaet-interesnyy-povoro
          t.html
      7. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 22 November 2017 14: 16 New
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        I quote the author of the article: "The main thing is to come to the polls and vote correctly. The rest will definitely be done for us“The dog is in fact just that. The authorities arranged it so that I would involuntarily vote for Putin, because other candidates are even worse. This is the main vice of the social system of democracy, when not the smartest, but the meanest and richest one wins the election. I have a tremendous amount of complaints against Putin: firstly, he was addicted to lying, it became a habit with him, to the point that even such a non-shining person like Nadezhdin began to incriminate him in a lie, and secondly, he persistently, under ridiculous refuses to introduce a progressive tax, while hypocritically indicating an intolerable stratification of the welfare of the people. Thirdly, he avoided solving the Ukrainian problem. He waved it out and didn’t hit. Although the people in Ukraine could support us in 2014. But the country had its own sanctions, and Ukraine lost. The economy has not decided whether the country will develop in Kudrinsky, or in Glazyevsky, as a result does not develop in any way. But others - either helpless or enemies of the people. This is the trouble, I don’t see anything good after the election ..
        1. MaksoMelan
          MaksoMelan 23 November 2017 02: 33 New
          +2
          Nominate your candidacy.
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      9. dSK
        dSK 23 November 2017 21: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: My address
        Are you talking about

        Sooner or later, we will all appear before the creator and creator of the universe, the Lord God. And everyone will have to answer for their words and deeds, not for neighbors. "Evade evil and do good."
      10. volodimer
        volodimer 27 November 2017 16: 30 New
        0
        "Everyone who graduated from school before 1992 needs to be issued diplomas of higher education, and not less than a third of them are certificates of candidates and doctors of sciences."
        So I have all this ... and what to do? hi request
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 22 November 2017 11: 18 New
      +9
      “And do not be afraid of those who kill the body, but you cannot kill souls; but fear more of him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.”
      In 1917, Togo was already hoped for, the peasant population of the RII was 100% churches, fasted, celebrated, and believed in God more than modern priests. In the RII in the 1900s, grace, spirituality went through the roof, paradise came. BUT, than thanked his flock, THAT, a god in whom, with all their pure souls, Christians believed - the civil war of 1917, the most cruel and merciless, river of blood, millions of Christian believers were spilled, killed. If God didn’t save the heavenly Paradise RII, he will not save it now. Or 17 years proves that there is no God and hopes for it is pointless, hopes for itself.
      But scientific and technological backwardness and obscurantism, they will certainly destroy us.
      1. Barmal
        Barmal 22 November 2017 13: 01 New
        +2
        by the beginning of the 20 century, religiosity in the Republic of Ingushetia had an external form, not an internal one. This was often said by the holy fathers - contemporaries of those events.
      2. MaksoMelan
        MaksoMelan 23 November 2017 02: 41 New
        0
        You are mistaken at the expense of churching! And the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported about it, but the elites didn’t want to see this. Theme of Split Pyzhikov. Is familiar [media = https: //m.youtube.com/watch? v = aqe5DPX-9E8]
        1. dSK
          dSK 23 November 2017 23: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: MaksoMelan
          on account of churching

          Peter I, in pursuit of technological progress, began to undermine the canonical foundations of the church, abolishing Patriarchate. At the beginning of his reign, he lived in England and Holland for two years, and he closely interacted with Masons (this is well known). By reforming the church, putting it under state control, he violated the basic church canons. Faith is a purely voluntary affair. When the officials of the Synod began to see that the servants regularly went to churches, received communion, faith turned into an empty formality. As the theologian Alexei Osipov says, after two hundred years in theological academies, some professors are theologians did not believe in God, not to mention seminarians, there were cases when monks lived with women etc. Nicholas II, ten years asked restore the patriarchate, but he believed the head of the Synod Pobedonostsev, about the untimelyness of the reform (for which, in general, he paid). In troubled times, on the open August 15 1917 year, the Council of the Russian Orthodox Church raised the question of restoring the patriarchate in Russia. The opinion of the people on it was expressed by the peasants: “We no longer have a King, no father whom we loved; It is impossible to love the synod, and therefore we, peasants, want the Patriarch ”. And on November 18, under the thunder of guns, under the chatter of machine guns, God’s hand is delivered to the Patriarchal throne High Priest Tikhonto climb to your Calvary and become holy patriarch-martyr".
          Jewish people, for their apostasy", 70 years old was taken into Babylonian captivity. The term strangely coincides with the duration of the rule of atheists in Russia in the twentieth century. hi
      3. dSK
        dSK 23 November 2017 23: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: nickname7
        scientific and technical

        "The body is a vessel of the soul", it must be fed, dressed, etc. Atheists have a great temptation - "after us at least a flood" or "even though the grass does not grow." And when you begin to understand that God did not invent people, but He created them and the entire universe and gave certain rules of life. When you buy a car for her "instruction manual". When a person sins, he harms himself first of all, shortening his life, up to premature death. (mortal sins). "A body without a soul is a corpse, a soul without a body is a ghost." With a sick soul - the body can’t be bathed. Before death, God often sends people sorrows that purify his soul here so that it does not suffer there in eternal life. You listen to memorial services that are sung by the departed Orthodox. hi
  2. Titsen
    Titsen 22 November 2017 06: 57 New
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    Good article - we are not slaves, we are not slaves.

    But this is where the elites are: sand with an elite watch, millers with personal gas, Fursens with a cart, Chubais with an invisible nano ...

    Sawing will not help already.

    It won’t help at all.

    What then remains for them?
    1. vik669
      vik669 22 November 2017 09: 44 New
      +8
      So there were other procedures besides logging - it helped some forever!
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 22 November 2017 10: 34 New
        +7
        Various events indicate that the sleepers woke up.
        And about the speech in the Bundestag ----- the situation recalls as if the teacher does not notice the guy from the last desk, and he pulls his hand, and jumps higher, "" I'm here !!!! "". And adults shouted from New Urengoy uncles: "" we are here !!! Look, notice, we are yours, we regret you, we wait. !!! ""
        By the way, there were other performances from Novy Urengoy there. And I wonder how with them?
    2. Old warrior
      Old warrior 22 November 2017 10: 31 New
      +3
      Project 37? Yes?
  3. Nonna
    Nonna 22 November 2017 07: 14 New
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    Novel, and you - well done. Constantly raising such an important topic. Whereas on other resources - especially in corrupt TV media, they tried to hush up this topic. Particularly sick of the "show time" of Artem Sheinin. I didn’t think she would bend. Yesterday I didn’t even hint - all the snot chews in Ukraine. Fell below the bottom, and will not rise. The Peskov statement about “onjet” finally put everything in its place. No one had any doubts that these occupiers in the Kremlin would sell everything and betray both the people and Russia and our history and our 40 million lives lost in a fierce war. Traitors were clearly identified by surname. She wrote a long time ago that our people need to unite — to all patriotic movements — from monarchists, communists, left socialists, nationalists, and they need a candidate. A man of a new level. Putin is not a panacea for a nation. He is the last rotten support of the liberal-capitalist regime, which does not surrender "its". And this petty "larva" of Gazprom liberals, repenting to the Nazis for the Victory of our fathers, is proof that one must not be silent. Silence and conciliation is death for the common people.
    1. Seraphimamur
      Seraphimamur 22 November 2017 08: 23 New
      +5
      That's exactly what a candidate is for. I do not know this. And you?
      1. Varyag_0711
        Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 09: 26 New
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        Seraphimamur Today, 08:23 ↑
        That's exactly what a candidate is for. I do not know this. And you?
        I agree, neither Lenin, nor Stalin, nor Peter I and Catherine II are observed on the horizon, only Anal with Ksyushady, Shmar and God forgive someone else, and this is even worse than those who are in power now.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 22 November 2017 11: 13 New
          +8
          neither Lenin nor Stalin,
          it’s a misfortune for many that they need a person with exactly that surname. Will you vote for me? But Lenin, I or Stalin, or maybe everything - just Zyuganov, can be understood with time. In the meantime, you go to vote for Putin.
          1. Varyag_0711
            Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 11: 16 New
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            Gardamir Today, 11:13 ↑
            In the meantime, you go to vote for Putin.
            Well, suggest options for whom to vote, and we will consider.
            And then, did you run for election? And if not, then why tryndet idle?
            1. badens1111
              badens1111 22 November 2017 11: 26 New
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              Quote: Varyag_0711
              options to vote for,

              Yes, we have such people .. for example, Grudinin. Or Boldyrev or Baglaev, the spectrum is presented .. well, it’s not for Zhirik to really cast his vote or for a bunch of useless Gordon-Chekhov dogs ... Not for Mironov. .with his lisping, slurred and generally useless unshaven physique shaking with a blue beret, but in fact ... an unnecessary "leader" of a yellow party in essence ..
              See how now all the Meanings of the existence of Russia are attacked by all kinds of puppeteers of oni children like Kolya or even worse ..
              1. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 11: 34 New
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                Vlad hi glad to welcome! I agree that there are people, but only whether they will become candidates, whether they will let them through, and even the people know little of them, that’s the trouble. Those who are worthy and competent do not go into politics, and it is not a hunt to get dirty, and it’s cheaper for themselves, but all the dirt there flies like flies to a known substance. In general, the upcoming elections are more like a circus tent than at least a semblance of elections. And then, no matter how good the president comes to power, he cannot really do anything in our oligarchic system. He will either be killed or impeachment on sexual grounds will arrange. The only option is for the siloviki to come to power, who will be supported by the army and the FSB, because there is little hope for cops, every second "Colonel Zakharchenko", if not every first one.
              2. olimpiada15
                olimpiada15 22 November 2017 19: 12 New
                +1
                badens 1111 object, there is no one to choose. I understand that you named the names of worthy people, but this is not enough. It’s not enough to understand that it’s not exactly the way it should be right, we need those who are able to put the necessary ideas into practice, regardless of the circumstances, create our own team, attract people. , defend your right to lead the country, achieve your goal. Words do not need anyone, people do not believe them.
              3. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 23 November 2017 07: 48 New
                +8
                Quote: badens1111
                Yes, we have such people .. for example, Grudinin. Or Boldyrev or Baglaev ...

                ... or, again, the older group of their neighboring kindergarten. In full force or by arbitrary choice from thereof - no difference.
                The result will be the same.
                And the chairman of the "collective farm" (which LLC is actually ... a pure enterprise) to the chairmen ... Go to Belarus better, there already is yes
            2. Gardamir
              Gardamir 22 November 2017 11: 37 New
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              suggest options
              On the left front site, a preliminary vote took place. Boldyrev, Grudinin, Semin, Glaznv Prilepin, Shargunov. Soon there will be a second vote, after which a single candidate will be proposed in the Communist Party, in order to advance this candidate from all left forces. Zyuganov this time is unlikely to take fourth place.
              tryndet
              It’s not a matter of promotion, the main thing I want. Suppose that I can do the first day. Pardon Kvachkov and other political prisoners. Despite the fact that the government is being formed a month. Some completely odious personalities, such as Medvedev, Siluanov, Tkachev, I will release from their posts on the very first day.
              1. badens1111
                badens1111 22 November 2017 11: 44 New
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                Quote: Gardamir
                Zyuganov this time is unlikely to take fourth place.

                I hope that the mind is enough, unlike Zhirik, not to be dishonored in a new way.
              2. Varyag_0711
                Varyag_0711 22 November 2017 11: 48 New
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                Gardamir Today, 11:37 ↑
                On the left front site, a preliminary vote took place. Boldyrev, Grudinin, Semin, Glaznv Prilepin, Shargunov. Soon there will be a second vote, after which a single candidate will be proposed in the Communist Party, in order to advance this candidate from all left forces. Zyuganov this time is unlikely to take fourth place.
                That's when put forward, then we'll see. In any case, I will not vote for Zyuganov anymore. He sold us all in 1996 to EBNu with giblets.
                Some completely odious personalities, such as Medvedev, Siluanov, Tkachev, I will release from their posts on the very first day.
                They do not just need to be relieved of their posts, they need to be prepared immediately and the bunks.
                1. Greenwood
                  Greenwood 22 November 2017 16: 02 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Varyag_0711
                  I will not vote for Zyuganov anymore. He sold us all in 1996 to EBNu with giblets.
                  How did he sell you?
                  The first round of the 1996 presidential election:
                  Place Candidates Voices %
                  1. Yeltsin, Boris Nikolaevich 26 665 495 35,28%
                  2. Zyuganov, Gennady Andreevich 24 211 686 32,03%
                  3. The Swan, Alexander Ivanovich 10 974 736 14,52%

                  Second round:
                  1. Boris Yeltsin 40 402 349 53,82%
                  2. Zyuganov Gennady Andreevich 30 104 589 40,31%

                  As a result, Swan gave his votes to Yeltsin. Well, who did Zyuganov sell here?
              3. Golovan Jack
                Golovan Jack 23 November 2017 07: 43 New
                +9
                Quote: Gardamir
                Boldyrev, Grudinin, Semin, Glaznv Prilepin, Shargunov

                What you need good
                Gardamir, even if suddenly one of the named and "gets out", he will be eaten on the first day. Before the inagu ... inaugu ... well, you understand yes
                Kindergarten, damn it, on the lawn ...
                Quote: Gardamir
                Suppose that I can do the first day. Have mercy ...

                The only thing that’s enough for you is either, ahem, to leave this world (and most likely - precisely "on the first day"), or to begin to obediently carry out the orders of a thread of a large uncle who will offer you a "roof".
                Everything else is your girlish dreams, alas.
              4. your1970
                your1970 23 November 2017 08: 22 New
                +2
                Quote: Gardamir
                Pardon Kvachkov and other political prisoners. Despite the fact that the government is being formed a month. Some completely odious personalities, such as Medvedev, Siluanov, Tkachev, I will release from their posts on the very first day.

                1) you will have time to understand for DAY - who is sitting, for what, is it legal? Do you have all the names on hearing?
                2) and who will you appoint in their place right now? Is there a team? A team prepared for undercover fight and intrigue? To fight dough sharing? To fight against the interests of different population groups? And the team has its own team? Do you know how to deal with the malleable "swamp" of the state apparatus?
                there is an amazing book, "Yes, Mr. Minister!" Lynn Jonathan-there everything about you is described.

                Z.Y. We changed the battalion commander in OBATO in the 90s. We appointed the NS battalion commander, which by that time had already served us for almost a year. He was an infantry ..... so we cleaned all our tails in a month, sent everything for repair having gotten, they wrote off everything that is necessary, etc. Just because he did not know nuances, we came and said: it is necessary to sign - the container is under dispatch, it is necessary? it is necessary! signed, .. and if he knew-he asked how you will do this and that, coordinate this and this? and so it dragged on ad infinitum, then Moscow will not subscribe, then special staff, then at the repair plant the tolerance level has decreased ...
                And we - DO NOT STEAL !! we were forced to do so!
                Here you have, the bulk will see what to steal .....
                1. Golovan Jack
                  Golovan Jack 23 November 2017 09: 54 New
                  +9
                  Quote: your1970
                  Is there a team? A team prepared for undercover fight and intrigue? To fight against dividing dough? To fight against the interests of different population groups? Does the team have its own team?

                  10000 good
                  IMHO neither the people who write the slogans here, nor those who are trying to nominate candidates who are given the maximum to "steer" are the Lenin State Farm (by the way, the full name of the organization is CLOSED JOINT-STOCK COMPANY "State Farm named after Lenin." State Farm, yeah), don't understand this. Not given request
          2. your1970
            your1970 22 November 2017 15: 45 New
            +1
            Quote: Gardamir
            the food of many that they need a person with exactly that surname. Will you vote for me? And I’m Lenin or Stalin, or maybe just Zyuganov, can be understood over time.
            Do we have extra time? Or extra resources? -
            to understand, are you worth anything? if not? what if you're a crook?
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir 23 November 2017 08: 31 New
              0
              what if you are a swindler?
              democracy is a roulette game. In this case, option two will be even worse, it will be better. But you can find out about this only after the election.
      2. vik669
        vik669 22 November 2017 09: 57 New
        0
        As one friend said, I have no other writers for you!
      3. Old warrior
        Old warrior 22 November 2017 10: 33 New
        +5
        Surely there is. But who will give them?
      4. AA17
        AA17 22 November 2017 13: 58 New
        +2
        Dear, Seraphimamur. Take a closer look at this list, maybe your candidate is here. "... In this situation, in my opinion, the hope is only on the left-patriotic flank. Only from there can a real candidate appear who can turn the Kremlin scenario around. In parallel, we launched the primaries of the presidential candidates from the left forces (in Internet ) Today, almost 9 people have voted. For comparison, VTsIOM publishes Putin's rating, polling 000 people, and the Levada Center considers the results of a survey of 600 citizens across Russia to be quite accurate, so our coverage is representative. So far, Yuri is leading Boldyrev, Pavel Grudinin, Konstantin Semin, Sergey Glazyev, Zakhar Prilepin. The full list of candidates is here. After the November 1200rd, the second round of voting will begin, and on December 23 we will summarize. But already from the preliminary results it is clear that our voters have an unequivocal request - to nominate as a presidential candidate from the left forces a new, bright figure who has a chance to compete for victory ... "http: // svpressa. com / blogs / article / 1 /
        I voted for Y. Boldyrev. I would like for P. Grudinin.
        1. Svateev
          Svateev 26 November 2017 04: 40 New
          0
          Quote: AA17
          Today almost 9 000 people have voted. ... So our coverage is quite representative.

          Representative - this is when the respondents proportionally represent ALL the mood (sorry) of the electorate. And on the site of the left front ONLY supporters of this front voted for its candidates. This vote does not reflect the opinion of the whole mass of voters and to be guided by it - means to be in the position of the RSDLP (b) of September 1917 of the year — less than 20% of the seats in the Constituent Assembly of the EMNIP.
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 09: 39 New
      +7
      Dear Nonna! Power will not allow such a union to happen, for her it is like death. Her motto is: divide and conquer. Hence a different set of rhetoric.
    3. Ragoz
      Ragoz 22 November 2017 20: 59 New
      +1
      Nonna!
      As you know, the fish goes dead from the head. Our Fish already stinks with different weeping walls, mannheim boards, ebna centers, as well as figures such as ammunals, okars and gozmans.
    4. jhltyjyjctw
      jhltyjyjctw 31 December 2017 17: 47 New
      0
      Quote: Nonna
      and our 40 million lives killed in a brutal war.


      400 million. And two million raped German women.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 22 November 2017 07: 17 New
    20
    With all due respect to GDP, but isn’t it time for him to really look at who surrounds him and what positions he holds including the press secretary. Here often one human rights defender under the President with a characteristic surname on TV carries such a thing that you wonder. And where will we go with this?
    1. E_V_N
      E_V_N 22 November 2017 07: 58 New
      16
      Quote: rotmistr60
      With all due respect to GDP, but isn’t it time for him to really look at who surrounds him and what positions he holds including the press secretary. Here often one human rights defender under the President with a characteristic surname on TV carries such a thing that you wonder. And where will we go with this?

      There is a philosophical question, what is primary, an egg or a chicken.
      In this particular case ... is the retinue making the king ... or ... is the king choosing the retinue? And immediately the answer appears, to the eternal Russian delusion ... The Tsar is good, the boyars are bad.
      1. MaksoMelan
        MaksoMelan 23 November 2017 02: 44 New
        +1
        After Yeltsin left, the gdp had no particular choice. I tried to make those who worked. But still had to sit.
        1. E_V_N
          E_V_N 24 November 2017 10: 33 New
          0
          Quote: MaksoMelan
          After Yeltsin left, the gdp had no particular choice. I tried to make those who worked. But still had to sit.

          You have strange logic. Yeltsin was an alcoholic, a fool, climbed to power, for the sake of this he ruined the USSR, but he was not a traitor. Why do you think the Government handed over to the KGB representative? He hoped that the KGB would sweep away the clinging liberals, as Stalin did in much worse initial conditions. But the henchman did not have enough strength and knowledge, unfortunately
    2. Antianglosax
      Antianglosax 22 November 2017 08: 22 New
      17
      Quote: rotmistr60
      With all due respect to GDP, but isn’t it time for him to really look at who surrounds him and what positions he holds including the press secretary. Here often one human rights defender under the President with a characteristic surname on TV carries such a thing that you wonder. And where will we go with this?

      Does he need this? Apparently, he was quite happy with everything. To distract the people, to dirt their brains - that’s all domestic politics. And the funny thing is - Putin says one thing, in fact the exact opposite is happening. And so for many years. Who will believe professional liars?
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 22 November 2017 08: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: Antianglosaks
        Does he need this?

        Can he do it?
        According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the President does NOT have the right: http: //192.168.1.95/sites/page.php? Id = 576
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        1. SERGUS
          SERGUS 22 November 2017 10: 16 New
          12
          Quote: Boris55
          According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the President does NOT have the right

          Do not tell tales. According to the Constitution, the GDP could not force Deripaska to sign the agreement in Pikalevo. As they say, desire is a thousand possibilities, and not desire is a thousand reasons.
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 November 2017 10: 53 New
            0
            Quote: SERGUS
            Do not tell tales

            Give examples when the president violated the Constitution?
            1. SERGUS
              SERGUS 22 November 2017 11: 58 New
              +9
              Quote: Boris55
              Give examples when the president violated the Constitution?

              Did I say that he violated the Constitution? It’s better. Will you give the chapters and numbers of articles of the Constitution according to which, for example, he cannot change his press secretary?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 22 November 2017 13: 19 New
                0
                Quote: SERGUS
                Will you give chapters and article numbers of the Constitution according to which, for example, he cannot change his press secretary?

                I gave a link to the fact that the president has no constitutional right. If you had read this, you would not have asked bad questions. hi
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 22 November 2017 14: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: Boris55
                  If you read this, you would not ask bad questions.

                  This link is somehow your bad, at least it does not load me request
            2. BIGLESHIY
              BIGLESHIY 22 November 2017 14: 11 New
              +5
              Quote: Boris55
              Quote: SERGUS
              Do not tell tales

              Give examples when the president violated the Constitution?

              He gave the island of Tarabarov and part of the Big Ussuri Island to China. Medvedev also gave the Norwegians something in violation of the constitution, right?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 22 November 2017 14: 55 New
                0
                Quote: BIGLESHIY
                He gave the island of Tarabarov and part of the Big Ussuri Island to China.

                What does it mean when he gave the border between us and China was not legally fixed? To date, border demarcation has been carried out and repetition of events such as those on Damansky Island is not possible. The border is drawn in the middle of the fairway.
                The view from the Chinese side.


                Quote: BIGLESHIY
                Medvedev also gave the Norwegians something in violation of the constitution

                And where is the indignation of the liberals?
                1. BIGLESHIY
                  BIGLESHIY 23 November 2017 16: 51 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Quote: BIGLESHIY
                  He gave the island of Tarabarov and part of the Big Ussuri Island to China.

                  What does it mean when he gave the border between us and China was not legally fixed?

                  In 1861, a protocol on the exchange of cards and descriptions of delineations was attached to the Tianjin Treaty as an integral part of it. On the Russian side, the protocol was signed by P. Kozakevich and K. Budogossky, on the Chinese side - Cheng Qi and Jing Chun. In addition, the protocol was sealed with official seals. The border was drawn by a red line (in literature it is called the “red line”) along the Chinese coast of the Amur, Ussuri, and also the Kazakevich channel. Thus, the mentioned rivers belonged entirely to Russia.
                  So the Chinese could poke her in the nose.
                  If this is not enough for you, then look at the map of the USSR and what will you see? Correctly bold red line - the state border is called. Khabarovsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, etc. the Chinese on their cards in their own name this does not mean that they are theirs. And the fact that events like Damansky will not be repeated is you in vain. China is not the kind of friend you can turn your back on.
            3. Overlock
              Overlock 23 November 2017 11: 07 New
              +1
              Our president is the guarantor of the constitution. Once the constitution is violated, then it, the constitution, is violated by the president. "The state is me." Try to refute.
              Article 2 of the Constitution R f proclaims the duty of the state recognition, observance and protection of the rights and freedoms of man and citizen. However, as can be seen from the following examples, the state can neglect this obligation. Clause 2 of Article 6 says that "every citizen of the Russian Federation ... bears equal responsibilities ...". Why are the fines for traffic violations for Moscow and St. Petersburg higher than for other regions? Not all residents of cities of federal significance have high wages. The policy of R s “aims to create conditions ensuring a decent life,” it is said in paragraph 1 of Article 7, and then in paragraph 2 the conditions that contribute to this are listed, for example, minimum wage (5205 rubles. - for Russia), support for motherhood (a lump sum allowance a child’s birth - 13087 rubles, a monthly allowance for caring for a child from 1,5 to 3 years - 50 rubles) ... Is it possible to ensure a decent life with these funds? What can a mother buy for a baby for 13 thousand? A stroller? Although ... thanks for that too! What about pensions? The average amount of a labor pension is 9600 rubles. And if only 4000-5000 rubles. Do I have to pay for the apartment? And you need to buy medicines ... And you also need to eat ... The size of the living wage is 6131 rubles. - I won’t even comment. Move on. Clause 3 of Article 17 has the following meaning: "The rights and freedoms of one person end where the rights and freedoms of another begin." Most often, a clause on the priority of the rights of the rich over the rights of the poor can be added to this wording (although this contradicts Article 6).

              Article 31
              Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully without weapons, hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.
              After the "Swamp" no longer have. In the furnace this article!
              Article 34
              2. Economic activity aimed at monopolization and unfair competition is not allowed.
              Gazprom OJSC is above this article.
              Article 41
              1. Everyone has the right to health and medical care. Medical assistance in state and municipal health institutions is provided to citizens free of charge from the corresponding budget, insurance contributions, and other income.
              This is again to the official who wanted to ban free honey. service for not working.

              Article 43
              1. Everyone has the right to education.
              2. Accessibility and free pre-school, basic general and secondary vocational education in state or municipal educational institutions and enterprises are guaranteed.
              The key word is free. No repairs, no requisitions in kindergartens, and no paid classes.
        2. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 22 November 2017 13: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Boris55
          Quote: Antianglosaks
          Does he need this?

          Can he do it?
          According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the President does NOT have the right: http: //192.168.1.95/sites/page.php? Id = 576
          (loading may slow down a little)

          Here is her "darling" in the first place and it was necessary to change with the advent of Putin, well, unless of course he is "for the people").
          1. Boris55
            Boris55 22 November 2017 13: 37 New
            0
            Quote: Sovetskiy
            Here is her "darling" in the first place and it was necessary to change

            Of course. The constitution, which so limits the president’s capabilities, is not divine tablets, and it can be changed. But for amendments to the chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution, a Constitutional Assembly is necessary. which requires a federal constitutional law on the Constitutional Assembly, the adoption of which requires at least three-quarters of the gopos of the total number of members of the Federation Council and at least two-thirds of the total number of deputies of the Duma. Adopt this law has already tried. And several times. BUT SO NOT ACCEPTED. And without the Constitutional Assembly, it is impossible to hold a nationwide referendum on changing the Constitution.
            1. SERGUS
              SERGUS 22 November 2017 14: 55 New
              +2
              Quote: Boris55
              But for amendments to chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution, a Constitutional Assembly is necessary.

              But how are these chapters and where do they limit the president’s capabilities?
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 22 November 2017 16: 12 New
                0
                Quote: SERGUS
                But how are these chapters and where do they limit the president’s capabilities?

                Turn to the constitutional court or take and read the Constitution yourself.
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 22 November 2017 16: 44 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris55
                  Turn to the constitutional court or take and read the Constitution yourself.

                  I read that in chapter 1 the president is mentioned only once, in article 1 it is said that he exercises state power, in chapter 11 he is not mentioned at all, in chapter 2 he is mentioned in article 9 which says that he can make proposals for amendments to the Constitution. My question remains: how chapters 134 and 1,2 limit the power of the president, as you say
                  Quote: Boris55
                  The constitution, which so limits the president’s capabilities, is not divine tablets, and it can be changed. But for amendments to chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution, a Constitutional Assembly is necessary.

                  You do not bring any arguments in favor of your position that a pretty president can do nothing because of a bad Constitution, but only refer to some references and to the constitutional courts.
                  1. Boris55
                    Boris55 23 November 2017 07: 35 New
                    0
                    Quote: SERGUS
                    I read in the chapter 1 president

                    Read carefully my post: "But for changing chapters 1, 2 and 9 The Constitution needs a Constitutional Assembly. ", And you're all about the president ...
                    1. SERGUS
                      SERGUS 23 November 2017 09: 51 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Boris55
                      and you are all about the president ...

                      I’m talking about him because you say that he can’t make us better because the Constitution doesn’t allow us.
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Read my post carefully: "But for amendments to chapters 1, 2 and 9 of the Constitution, a Constitutional Assembly is necessary."

                      I carefully read your post, but considering that it is a matter of limitations by the Constitution of the president’s capabilities, I say that the chapters on which you focus his attention are not limited by his power, and the Constitutional Assembly is not required to amend other chapters, there is a slightly different procedure, but already under our Constitution, the President has enormous powers, and given the fact that his party is overwhelmingly in the Duma, his power at this stage is practically unlimited.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 23 November 2017 10: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: SERGUS
                        I carefully read your post

                        Here is a new link to the entire text. She will definitely work.
                        klin.forum-top.ru/viewtopic.php?id=389#p1627
                    2. SERGUS
                      SERGUS 23 November 2017 12: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Here is a new link to the entire text. She will definitely work.

                      It’s an interesting article, but I didn’t learn anything new, no one says that the President can shoot oligarchs without trial and trial, pass any law he thinks, etc. Nobody has these prejudices of children here. It’s another matter that if we take into account that, for example, the President’s party in the Duma occupies 75%, then where the State Duma is written in the Constitution, you can automatically substitute the word President, and given the fact that the people see him as a savior and his rating is high, he’s a trump card on hands. Therefore, I repeat once again, it is not necessary that he is tied hand and foot and can not do anything.
                      1. Boris55
                        Boris55 23 November 2017 13: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: SERGUS
                        party of the President in the Duma takes 75%

                        But is the chairman of the party EP on D. Medvedev? laughing
                        In the party that Putin created, practically his supporters are no longer there, that's why he was forced to create a popular front.
                    3. SERGUS
                      SERGUS 23 November 2017 14: 29 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Boris55
                      But is the chairman of the party EP on D. Medvedev?

                      And I look at you, believe what is written, if it is written on a can of paint with white, and in the can it is poured black, then for you it is still white laughing . You are probably also sure that the stupid blonde, the wife of the deputy, herself opened a chain of stores and bought for herself two Mercedes, which are listed on the papers laughing .
                      Quote: Boris55
                      In the party that Putin created, practically his supporters are no longer

                      Truth ? But why then do they not nominate Medvedev to the presidential election? You, dear, ideal electorate for today's authorities, sacredly believe the papers and that everyone except the authorities is to blame for the problems, there would be more of them (the authorities).
                      Quote: Boris55
                      that is why he was forced to create a popular front

                      This is precisely the people's front that cannot do anything; it does not have any political component.
            2. Sotskiy
              Sotskiy 22 November 2017 15: 37 New
              +7
              Quote: Boris55
              And without the Constitutional Assembly, it is impossible to hold a nationwide referendum on changing the Constitution.

              Impossible? In our country, everything is possible. A referendum on the preservation of the USSR in 1991 held? Spent. What is the result of the referendum? And what did the authorities do after the referendum? And now we can’t do anything because the "procedures" must be followed! Himself not funny?)
              1. Boris55
                Boris55 22 November 2017 16: 11 New
                0
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                In our country, everything is possible.

                You are talking about two different states - the USSR and Russia.
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                And what did the authorities do after the referendum?

                What she wanted, she did.
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                And now we can’t do anything because the "procedures" must be followed!

                We cannot do anything. We can’t put a local home administration in place. We are waiting for Putin to come and fix the crane for us.
                Quote: Sovetskiy
                Isn't it funny?

                Not. It is sad.
                1. SERGUS
                  SERGUS 22 November 2017 17: 16 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Boris55
                  We cannot do anything. We can’t put a local home administration in place. We are waiting for Putin to come and fix the crane for us.

                  Yes, because in our country no one is responsible for anything, try to figure out why your house does not have heating. Vodokanal, a management company, a boiler house will all reject you, say that they have nothing to do with it and send it to each other. As in our rush where grandfather was chased for information, we don’t have one-man management, everyone is busy collecting money, and people like you support this chaos (lack of unity of command), say that the president has nothing to do with it, bad officials interfere with him.
    3. SERGUS
      SERGUS 22 November 2017 10: 09 New
      13
      Quote: rotmistr60
      With all due respect to GDP, but isn’t it time for him to really look at who surrounds him and what positions he holds including the press secretary.

      The GDP itself tacitly supports these vague interpretations of history, that Stalin, for example, has nothing to do with it, he is a tyrant and the Soviet people won, and then these interpretations begin: the German soldiers have nothing to do with, the tyrant forced Hitler to do all these atrocities ... And then everyone stirred up: there is no wrong - German soldiers are occupiers. Those. German soldiers and, and Stalin has nothing to do with, and has nothing to do with victory. Some kind of double standards are obtained, like in America. But the conclusion is one: it is not necessary to separate one from the other, everything is interconnected, German soldiers are part of the Nazi system, Stalin, together with the Soviet people, is the winner! And I think there should not be any other interpretations.
    4. Old warrior
      Old warrior 22 November 2017 10: 35 New
      +1
      Putin is far from. Since "does not surrender" them, then it should be so.
    5. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 November 2017 11: 03 New
      +4
      but is it time for him to really see
      What for? cattle graze, shepherds shearing. Yes, sometimes she bucks, but by the election everyone will be stalled
  5. Sergey-svs
    Sergey-svs 22 November 2017 07: 19 New
    15
    Summary: in principle, the policy of the "top" is clear as day. From the comments of persons in positions who have a position of President of the Russian Federation.
    In the furnace, history, the same ideology ...

    Yes, no to the furnace - the snickering Russian liberal-bureaucratic "elite" with its no less snickering "one child"! yes
  6. forester
    forester 22 November 2017 07: 20 New
    15
    Indeed, why poison the youngster - just tear out the tongue, according to the very genitals, so that others are not discouraged. It's my opinion.
    1. novel66
      novel66 22 November 2017 09: 29 New
      +4
      excessive cruelty, for the first time, flogging would have been enough, but of high quality and indicative
    2. vik669
      vik669 22 November 2017 09: 31 New
      +5
      Yes, what does the males have to do with it - read the previous one, but the males result we have what we have more precisely!
    3. Old warrior
      Old warrior 22 November 2017 10: 36 New
      +1
      Cruel Maybe just fill the face?
    4. Sergey Cojocari
      Sergey Cojocari 22 November 2017 12: 36 New
      +6
      Snatching it is good, but why only Kohl? Kolya is 16 years old, that is, his upbringing fell on the years of the reign of Whom You Can't Call By Name. Kohl, so to speak, is the quintessence of HIS efforts to discredit the Soviet period. What sowed the GDP, today is the Day.
  7. Basil50
    Basil50 22 November 2017 07: 24 New
    11
    Ideology has long been ready and is already being introduced; this is Christianity. Belief in a Jew who, at a general meeting, a thousand years after the crucifixion, was declared a god. And it seems like Christ is no longer a Jew and you can hate all other Jews and blame all misfortunes and problems. At the same time, all people, without exception, were declared * God's servants * with the right for the elites to rule these same slaves.
    The fact that priests sanctify everything in a row and climb into schools does not promise anything good either to RUSSIA or to CITIZENS of RUSSIA, since they lie in everything. Even in their own writings they lie.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 22 November 2017 08: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Vasily50
      Ideology has long been ready and is already being introduced, this is Christianity

      The Bible is a concept. We have ideologies as uncut dogs - each party has its own, and we have lots of parties before a fig and more. What the dictatorship of the ideology of one party leads to - we all know. The people voted for the ideology of EP including the will of the people must be respected. Or how?
      1. andrej-shironov
        andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 09: 42 New
        +2
        Dear Boris55! As physicists say: if a phenomenon describes several theories, then they are all wrong. We have a bunch of parties and ideologies that mean that none of them reflects the interests of the people!
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 November 2017 11: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: andrej-shironov
          We have a bunch of parties and ideologies that mean that none of them reflects the interests of the people!

          Then why do the people overwhelmingly vote for the bourgeois party of the EP, conducting an anti-popular ideology? The people at a vote in the Duma could choose the ideology of communists, liberals, socialists, etc., but noodles on the ears defeats the mind ...
          ps. The dictate of one ideology leads to a totalitarian state in which all dissent is suppressed by all available means, which ultimately leads to the collapse of such a state.
          1. andrej-shironov
            andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 14: 50 New
            +3
            And I will answer you: the bulk of the electorate is pensioners and state employees, and Putin is constantly pensions and z.p. indexes. Here they are for such "stability" and vote.
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 22 November 2017 16: 18 New
              0
              Quote: andrej-shironov
              Here they are for such "stability" and vote.

              Generalize is not necessary.
              1. andrej-shironov
                andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 16: 23 New
                +1
                Maybe! I will be glad if I'm wrong ...
      2. Sotskiy
        Sotskiy 22 November 2017 13: 26 New
        +5
        Quote: Boris55
        The people voted for the ideology of EP including the will of the people must be respected. Or how?

        The will of what "people"? Who counted 150% of the EP party in the Duma elections?)
        This is not what I invented, it is openly said in his video interview Khazin.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 22 November 2017 15: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Sovetskiy
          This is openly said in his video interview Khazin.

          About elections without a choice, I have already written here repeatedly (November 18 2017 16: 49):
          https://topwar.ru/129862-o-velikoy-russkoy-dymovo
          y-zavese.html # comment-id-7572841
  8. Nonna
    Nonna 22 November 2017 07: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Vasily50
    Ideology has long been ready and is already being introduced; this is Christianity.


    Thinking fine, Khobotov. But in essence, are there any thoughts?
  9. Olgovich
    Olgovich 22 November 2017 07: 45 New
    +4
    My opinion is that in Russia, PERFECT patriotic education, the mass of relatives of schoolchildren, know "Get up, the country is huge," "Katyusha", milestones of war, etc.
    It operates, even in Moldova, where the attitude to the Second World War is different. An immortal regiment is marching every May 9, in every city, against the will of the authorities! And it goes young people-from 1 year to 18 years old - in wheelchairs, on shoulders, noisy companies.
    Not so bad, dear Roman!
    The story with Kolya is a special case, they will find the guilty, punish, draw conclusions. hi
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 22 November 2017 08: 36 New
      +3
      Let even voiced who so corrected the performance of Nicholas, and then found a "whipping boy." Previously, at least for every such command a man in civilian clothes was sent away, imprisoned for provocation, and without his painting no one would even dare to read. And here, most likely, just before the exit, they stuck a piece of paper and pushed it onto the stage. And when you read there, the head does not think.
      so we have half of the classic works made "based on" identity "classics" are to blame for the exercises of the directors?
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 22 November 2017 08: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      The story of Kolya is a special case,

      A special case highlighting a huge problem that must be urgently addressed. But for the fact that he highlighted this problem, it is necessary to erect a monument, and not spread rot on it.
    3. Old warrior
      Old warrior 22 November 2017 10: 39 New
      +6
      Do not flatter yourself. All such cases are not just like that, but systematic subversive work.
    4. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 November 2017 10: 53 New
      12
      Immortal Regiment
      This is a work of people like you. under the striped ribbons go the gentlemen of St. George, the ladies carry Nikolai the Bloody ...
    5. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 22 November 2017 14: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: Olgovich
      The story with Kolya is a special case, they will find the guilty, punish, draw conclusions.

      Is Mannerheim's memorial plaque also a special case? Curtaining of the Mausoleum and other sluggish whitewashed anti-Soviet? Are there too many special cases? You enemies of the people will achieve the fact that in the end they will destroy the country. But then the dull monarchist, do not wait for mercy.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 24 November 2017 09: 38 New
        0
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        But then the dull monarchist, do not wait for mercy.

        helpless peep from FOREVER disappeared PAST lol
  10. parusnik
    parusnik 22 November 2017 08: 13 New
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    Yes, the ideology is normal in our country ... From 07.11.1917/22.06.1941/22.06.1941 to 09.05.1945/09.05.1945/21.08.1991 it is bad from 21.08.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX good ... from XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX to XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX, even worse ... from XNUMX/XNUMX/XNUMX to the present the time is fine ... laughing ..I won’t be surprised if the boy Kolya, who spoke in the Bundestag, will become the president of Russia in the future .... Everything is going to go well .. in the country 404 they have perfectly brainwashed for 25 years .. the territory and population of the Russian Federation are a little more .. time will be required. .A first swallows we saw in the Bundestag ...
  11. Handbrake
    Handbrake 22 November 2017 08: 42 New
    +4
    Hello everyone. I look at this situation and I'm disgusting. In human terms, from a speech delivered in the capital of Galicia, in the mind of consequences. The kid is not right on all sides - a fact. At the event (or outside of it), it’s so bad to spit on the story, it’s ... I personally have a great-grandfather who fought, one died, the second was injured and her grandmother got shrapnel and told how her innocently killed across the field from a skyscraper and tz machine gun were driving and having fun "Wehrmacht wars "then she was around 4 years old. My opinion is the death of the fascist invaders.
    On the other hand, I’m an adult person and I understand the following - it’s not right to hang on lamp posts, I oppose the opinions “to the bottom and then” (C). To me personally, in such a situation, an impassive investigation of authorized state bodies is acceptable.
    And the last one, the author of the article, most likely also in a slight misunderstanding of what happened, in other words, was stunned by such a performance of our compatriot, so I prepared such an emotional article. But personally, my opinion is that the leadership of the country is not guilty of what will happen, just as the comrade of the all-gas dad and the president’s representative do not have it. Why not put everything in one pile. But about the "speech of the pioneer" you need to figure out who, how and why helped to write a wonderful work, who prepared such a person, etc. Execute on the go, without understanding it is not necessary, I think. But to understand why and how it happened is necessary. And if an offense is found in his actions, punish by law. It will not be corrected and will become another "hairy" from the echo of Moscow, it will be damn sorry.
    Pysy. Guys, if you argue by the method of "let's finally and finally take it", then it will be necessary in this way to begin the war of all against all. It is necessary to understand, and since the issue is serious and under the control of the public, they (the authorized bodies) will have to figure it out - a fact.
    It was brought from the phone, maybe a bunch of oryographic.
    1. Rey_ka
      Rey_ka 22 November 2017 08: 55 New
      +2
      By the way, somewhere on the net the original report of Kolya is already roaming without exciting amendments.
      1. BAI
        BAI 22 November 2017 09: 51 New
        +1
        original report

      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 22 November 2017 10: 41 New
        +1
        Yesterday (or today) at night, already on 2m programs I heard TV. Crap however
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 22 November 2017 10: 42 New
        +9
        without exciting amendments.
        even in the original it is said that those who came to kill on our land are innocent
      4. badens1111
        badens1111 22 November 2017 12: 39 New
        +8
        Fascists and their local lackeys always hid behind the backs of women, old people and children. Used them as a human shield. This is the question of humanity.
        They may have been people before they crossed the USSR border in 1941. After that, they were invaders, looters, killers and robbers - they were not humans.
        What is there to be surprised that they used and use children as cannon fodder. Those who claim to be called MAN do not.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 November 2017 10: 48 New
      10
      impartial investigation
      first give at least one example of an impassive investigation. And about the boy is not to blame. Liberalism is marching around the country, for a long time no one is to blame, especially if it serves the authorities.
  12. steelmaker
    steelmaker 22 November 2017 08: 43 New
    13
    Surprisingly, no one says that this is all the result of Putin’s rule. And these are still flowers!
    1. VS
      VS 22 November 2017 08: 51 New
      11
      we will see by turnout in the elections - when there will be a maximum of 15 percent, and as a result, they will vote for GDP - a couple of million citizens))))
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 22 November 2017 17: 46 New
        +5
        Quote: V.S.
        when there will be a maximum of 15 percent and for the GDP as a result they will vote - a couple of million citizens))))

        Yeah, and the president of the country will be .......... Vladimir Putin. laughing At the elections to the State Duma, everyone also shouted: “Down with United Russia, do you know the result? Or tell me? We sit on the sofas, we go to meetings with Lech and what laughing Edren loaf steers. request
        Quote: andrej-shironov
        Yes, I and some others have been ringing the bell for a long time!

        Or maybe you need to offer something first to you and some? Khokhlam was offered visa-free with a well-fed European life and they rode on, life was really not well-fed, but it turned out to be bloody, but these are their problems. And you can beat any number of bells laughing They will not hear. request
    2. andrej-shironov
      andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 09: 44 New
      +6
      What does nobody mean? Yes, I and some others have been ringing the bell for a long time!
    3. Stas
      Stas 22 November 2017 18: 24 New
      +5
      You shouldn’t be so. Here, for example, my comment from the Russian Spring:
      Toothless national policy of the rulers of Russia in action. This is the Yeltsin center in the Urals and the weeping wall in Moscow and the mugging with Bandera partners, and Russophobes in the government and with power levers and other innovations in rewriting our history. Thanks to Putin for upholding Russian interests, because for 17 years now he has nothing to do with it.
  13. VS
    VS 22 November 2017 08: 50 New
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    "" The First World War really was imperialistic in essence. But the Russian people rose and went into battle when Russia was declared a war, and the troops of Germany and Austria-Hungary crossed our borders.
    There is a difference? For historians and analysts - imperialist, for a Russian soldier - Patriotic. He went to beat the German, encroaching on his homeland. "

    and when after a couple of months they washed themselves with blood and realized what they were fighting for - the war ceased to be DOMESTIC for the illiterate peasant and became what it is - imperialistic ..)) And if there is nothing to do it again, it won’t work out. And it was the planting of the bad idea that that war was domestic and not imperialist - and led, among other things, to the fact that in Berlin the boys carry garbage - about the Wehrmacht's innocently killed soldiers ...
  14. erased
    erased 22 November 2017 09: 04 New
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    Late to drink Borjomi. They have already won. They are in power, they are with money, with natural resources, under the protection of law enforcement agencies. They are legitimate! And that means on horseback. And the people in the ass. And with him, that is, with us, they will do what they want. Vyser this puppy - only flowers. But when the Russian authorities officially recognize Stalin as the same executioner as Hitler, then the berries will arrive in time. Wait, not long left.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 22 November 2017 10: 38 New
      +2
      They are legitimate!
      Any power is legal. The constitution has an article about the seizure of power, only who will apply it. If tomorrow I armed with a slingshot seize power in the Kremlin, then who dares to judge me? And then I will hold elections and even the results will not need to be faked ...
    2. Anton Capucin
      Anton Capucin 22 November 2017 23: 14 New
      +3
      Well duck give up. Still simple, they won, and not because it’s easier for you. Why fight for the minds of children, they won. So the sleeping bear sucks its paw while its lair is robbed. It would be nice to wish you a quiet collaboration, only one thing in one country we live. And I'm still not dead and calmly sleepily sucking does not intend to.
      Sorry for the sharpness, boiling over.
  15. Dzmicer
    Dzmicer 22 November 2017 09: 13 New
    +1
    The Kremlin’s obvious provocation, the main purpose of which is to portray itself as the only Europeans in the middle of the Asian Sea, which does not need any democracy, because it will immediately arrange the Gulag. In order for the provocation to succeed, all the media immediately began to beat the Russian man in the weakest spot - a sick pride: "Look, repents to the Germans! Yes, my grandfather put them in packs, pagan scumbag!" When there is no remorse there, a trace: “People died for nothing at all in captivity, it’s a pity. Let’s no longer arrange such senseless bloody conflicts in which the third observer is always the winner”
  16. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 22 November 2017 09: 17 New
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    "It is necessary to leave the child alone, but take a closer look at the reasons for which this happened."
    Now, they are writing a lot about the reasons now. Ah, they are on the surface. The authorities made conclusions. We see.
    The curator of the performance of schoolchildren, as always, will remain in the shadows.
    Article plus.
    And about the baby. My father-in-law at the age of 17 went to the front. He returned with a victory. Disabled person.
    Previously, in schools hung posters with children - Heroes of the Soviet Union.
    For memory.
    Golikov Leonid. Seven years. Partisan: Died in battle.
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 22 November 2017 10: 44 New
      +9
      14 years old. Hero Pioneers: Lenya Golikov, Marat Kazei, Zina Portnova, Valya Kotik.
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 22 November 2017 22: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Old Warrior
        14 years.

        You are right. I misled the youth, many of whom almost certainly did not hear these names. I thought about my granddaughter when I wrote to her, seven. She knows for sure that her great-grandfathers and even one great-grandmother fought (how time is running). It will grow, it will not be sorry for the invaders who have found death.
        But, you understand what I mean. Each of my peers knew about young Heroes, it is unlikely that a young speaker knew about them. And he, it turns out, is a victim of our time, just as the German soldier, whom he mentions rightly found his death. Victim of parenting, school, state.
        We do not need tolerance. But we must remember that the Soviet soldier in Treptower Park is holding German girl stepping on a fascist cross.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 22 November 2017 10: 48 New
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      My grandfather at the age of 16 went to the front, there was a record that he was 25. Sidorov Pyotr Mikhailovich. He returned, learned. Taught
  17. andrej-shironov
    andrej-shironov 22 November 2017 09: 36 New
    +7
    Novel, unfortunately this is the voice of one crying in the desert! You, I, understand a few more comrades, while others will go to vote for the current government. Because they will be raised pensions and added salaries. And people value such stability, which is more reminiscent of a swamp, where immensely greedy frogs eat midges, thinking at the same time that it will always be so.
  18. BAI
    BAI 22 November 2017 09: 47 New
    +8
    The fact that the case will fade, I already wrote. Well, everything goes to that. Now they will replace the subject of the conversation - from "what and at whose direction he said" to "you can not rub the child." And everyone will be frozen. The teacher of the history of the gymnasium may be slightly affected (but slightly and no one else). All.
  19. Handbrake
    Handbrake 22 November 2017 09: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: BAI
    The fact that the case will fade, I already wrote. Well, everything goes to that. Now they will replace the subject of the conversation - from "what and at whose direction he said" to "you can not rub the child." And everyone will be frozen. The teacher of the history of the gymnasium may be slightly affected (but slightly and no one else). All.

    The result is not clear, because nothing has been done by state bodies (police, sc), what is the point of saying "everyone leaked"? We need to wait for the outcome.
  20. lukewarm
    lukewarm 22 November 2017 10: 25 New
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    The main thing is to come to the polls and vote correctly. They will definitely do the rest for us.
    Author: Roman Skomorokhov

    That is true. I'll think a hundred times. And then heaped something. Kolenka, incomprehensible movement in the LPR. It does not work out of the capitalist patriots without quotes and winners. For such is their essence - everything is for sale. Or the homeland - then you can’t see victory. And if, contrary to them, it happens to win, then they will win a victory. Wait a little more and Crimea will merge back. Too strong a rollback has gone.
  21. Old warrior
    Old warrior 22 November 2017 10: 26 New
    +8
    Is it just my feeling that we are all specifically being handed over?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 22 November 2017 13: 46 New
      +7
      They surrendered us in 1991 ... And what has been happening for the last 18 years ... we don’t have handed you over correctly, we’ll be handed over more sophisticatedly so that you would be glad .. and we didn’t notice how we handed over completely ..
  22. Gardamir
    Gardamir 22 November 2017 10: 30 New
    +8
    "I have called many times and I will repeat again: stop manipulating the children!"
    During the years of perestroika, this was pronounced slightly differently, something about the tear of a child there, most recently they were said to be children. The question is for these false defenders, how many Soviet children were killed by the Germans who came to our land?
    Obviously the schoolboy didn’t mean anything bad
    I agree, but this one (a schoolboy) had nothing. He just does not care about the ancestors, the homeland. The Germans came to kill us and how can you feel sorry for them after that? And he calls to justify the "boy" apparently one of the curators. I still can not calm down about celebrating November 7th. Now the boy is not to blame. You don’t want to answer adult uncles, well ...
  23. Handbrake
    Handbrake 22 November 2017 10: 34 New
    0
    Rushed, "we all merged." At such a pace to reach the "tents on the koasnaya square" agree.
  24. Archon
    Archon 22 November 2017 10: 36 New
    +4
    Maybe you should cooperate and send a boy who will remind you of the "Junkers crew" who flew to us on 25 of June 1941 of the year near Kiev. Hans German, Hans Kratz, Adolf Appel, Wilhelm Schmidt. "?
  25. Seamaster
    Seamaster 22 November 2017 10: 49 New
    10
    To say that the "wrong" part was pulled out of the boy’s speech (16 years old !!!) is silly.
    Such texts are compiled, agreed and polished very carefully.
    And not a group of teenagers in the porch.
    And the boy is not the son of the mechanic Vasya from the Caliber plant.
    A throw is made in anticipation of the reaction of society and the country's ruling elite.
    The reaction is analyzed, the result is positive. We can continue the policy of reformatting the consciousness of the country's population.
    And, of course, the main emphasis is on reformatting the consciousness of young people.
    It was not without reason that Lenin wrote that "..... now that the population of Russia is illiterate, the main form of art for us is cinema and the circus."
    Young people in Russia are again illiterate (thanks to the USE and Soros textbooks). So the films "Bastards", "Penalty Battalion", "Burnt Sun", etc. were poured into their consciousness.
    Plus the internet.
    Plus modern history textbooks. Obgazhivanie the history of our country for 1917 - 1991 years automatically leads to obgazhivanie the history of the Great Patriotic War.
    The result is Kolya’s boy.
    Soon he and his comrades will lead Gazprom, to sit in the Federation Council ....
    Lead the country.
    Otozh they will guide.
  26. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 22 November 2017 10: 57 New
    +9
    Commissioner for the Rights of the Child on the Rights of the Child Anna Kuznetsova:
    “I believe that international educational programs should in principle be cleared of ideology and even of the very possibility of its presence in projects with the participation of children. I called many times and I will repeat it again: stop manipulating children!”

    That is, Comrade Kuznetsova, “stop manipulating the children”!
    International educational programs have no place in Russian schools!
    And then the head will not flow in children.
    1. badens1111
      badens1111 22 November 2017 11: 08 New
      11
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      That is, Comrade Kuznetsova, “stop manipulating the children”!
      International educational programs have no place in Russian schools!
      And then the head will not flow in children.

      Oh, those ANi ... what would she say about this?
      “A new brain stem arrived in time. Literally three weeks ago, commenting on Valentina Matvienko’s proposal for the burial of Lenin’s body, I wrote:“ Doesn’t it seem to you that lately we have been stubbornly planted on topics aimed specifically at a split? In this sense, "Matilda" - just a snowdrop will appear soon "...

      For example, it already seems to me. A boy from Urengoy, trained in the Gazprom education system, is also from the category of snowdrops. Spikes from roses - this is yesterday's official screening at the Moscow House of Cinema of the documentary film "Closer" directed by Kantemir Balagov.

      The documentary shots of executions of Russian soldiers during the Chechen campaign are long and in great detail relished in it by a young director.

      Indeed, a “strawberry” for liberals and the western public. She has already awarded this creation "reviews.

      Balagov received for his film at the Kinotavr the prize for the best debut, the prize of the guild of film critics and film critics of Russia named after Daniel Dondurey. "
      Who is Dondurey .. it’s not worth explaining ... like the fact that there is a direct attack by liberals of the most black suit on our worldview, neither are our foundations and our symbols.
      https://cont.ws/@netesov/774839
    2. Old warrior
      Old warrior 28 November 2017 10: 33 New
      0
      Samantha Smith, Katyusha Lychova, a girl from Iraq with the soulful song "tuli-slippers" ... as soon as they start showing children - wait for the trouble ...
  27. NordUral
    NordUral 22 November 2017 11: 40 New
    10
    I have no particular complaints about the boy Kolenka. I have a complaint to those who organized all this.

    I also have a lot of complaints about "our" government, teaching (in quotation marks) children this vision of the history of the country and the world.

    And to the last paragraph - about the election. the main thing is really to have everyone come to the polls and correctly vote for the right candidates from the people, and not from the gang elite. That's right. As well as the fact that it is time for all patriotic forces of the country to forget hatred and unite in the struggle for the power of the people, and not this full-time liberal elite.
  28. Des10
    Des10 22 November 2017 12: 11 New
    +2
    The author is right, but probably drunk.
    This is the norm.
    Or in desperation, this is not the norm, this is a diagnosis smile .
    Why so ... - Yes, I myself feel bad from such moral freaks of "ruts", and even in the Bundestag.
    Who were his great-grandmothers and great-grandfathers?
    It’s just interesting if he knows his story, does it have something in common.
    And mother, teacher, local bureaucrat, the same - not local - all for him.
    Yes, I "do not care" for this so-called "child Kolya" - where is the state then ?! who allowed such ... sadness.
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 22 November 2017 21: 14 New
      0
      Most likely "innocent repressed." "By the fruits you know him ..."
      The kindness of the Russian Man never goes unpunished ...
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  30. VALERON99RUS
    VALERON99RUS 22 November 2017 12: 29 New
    +5
    I had a happy childhood)))
    From Oktyabrenka to Komsomolets ... the standard-bearer of the squads .... the current generation cannot be understood .....
    There are NO such teachers that were with the USSR !!! Thanks to the Gorbachev-Yeltsin propaganda and others like them ....
  31. Al shurshun
    Al shurshun 22 November 2017 12: 37 New
    0
    Gentlemen, that you have leaned on the major - he already made his groundwork for the future permanent residence, it’s also gas in Germany, at least through Gazprom, at least through Wintershall, most importantly through Nord Stream 1 (2, 3 ...)
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  33. NGK
    NGK 22 November 2017 12: 50 New
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    I want to offer the boy Kolya and all these sand, Fursen and all the Echo Matz with other gozmans and solonins to take care of the fate of the unfortunate German soldier who did not want to fight, who shot the eldest son of my grandmother, an 11-year-old boy. In the early days of the occupation, in a village in southeastern Ukraine, the Germans, signalmen, who had a bunch of colorful bright wires, stopped in their house. The kid pulled a few, and the Germans, seeing, immediately grabbed him by the scruff of his neck, dragged him onto the road and shot him, without a second's doubt. Moreover, the German woman remembered shooting the oldest. Here are such kind-hearted soldiers of the Wehrmacht, not the SS men who were forced to fight by force. Let Kolenka with her teachers and parents find the grave of this soldier (I hope that he has already rotted in our land) and cry over it, and will pity him and his children. No forgiveness to them !!! I am sure that if there is a war now, then all these modern Germans, in addition to the Poles and other geyropets, will behave in the same way, if not worse.
    1. Old warrior
      Old warrior 22 November 2017 21: 20 New
      0
      Eh, then we had to have all this Germany under the root of lime: now the boy Kolenka would have nowhere to speak, and the present Arabs had nowhere to go with the Turks.
    2. vm-bt
      vm-bt 23 November 2017 05: 50 New
      0
      The collective West, in my opinion, in the field of social structure and ideology, except for Nazism, does not work well.
  34. Irbenwolf
    Irbenwolf 22 November 2017 12: 56 New
    +3
    Roman, didn’t the “fermentation” in Ukraine begin with this? Although here I completely agree with you. It's time to weed your own garden.
    1. Al shurshun
      Al shurshun 22 November 2017 13: 05 New
      0
      Dear IrbenWolf,

      sorry what do you mean by
      Isn't this what started “fermentation” in Ukraine


      Best regards
      1. Irbenwolf
        Irbenwolf 23 November 2017 08: 37 New
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        By "fermentation" I mean a departure from the doctrine of "Fascism is evil. We are a victorious people. The minions of fascism are criminals." When gradually, over time, first the "minions of fascism" change their status to "victims of ideology", then to "collaborators are deceived patriots," and then simply "patriots."

        In parallel with this, it is obsessively declared that communism = fascism. We must apologize (in the Reichstag (what a shame!)) To the invaders, they are also "victims of propaganda." Total, all are equal! And punishers and liberators. And since everyone is equal - let's not be embarrassed about our past and tell about the “heroes” of the collaborationists to the kids at school, because they also worried about their homeland.

        .... 10 years to cook ...

        The revolution and a huge number of trained and aggressive young people ...

        PS Specially did not indicate the name of the country anywhere. Just an example of the decomposition of a single tough position.
  35. klm-57
    klm-57 22 November 2017 13: 09 New
    +1
    "Nothing terrible happened from the point of view of the" intellectual elites "who regularly stink in the information space."
    In fact, I'm tired of smelling.
  36. demo
    demo 22 November 2017 13: 17 New
    +6
    This whole situation arises for one reason - the use of children to promote the most unacceptable points of view.
    The kid made a speech. He was heard. The whine began. We all spoke out. Everything will settle down and calm down.
    But those who need it. felt the soil and made conclusions.
    Early. It’s too early yet.
    They will wait. They have time in reserve - eternity.

    It’s not Kolya’s business.
    There is a probing of the soil.

    And about what to call a war, or rather, as it is called in different layers of our society, I would just like to say the following.
    Hitler, during the transformation of his transformation from the Chancellor to the Fuhrer of the German nation, did not speak of the destruction of the Slavs. Including Russians.
    First there were Jews and representatives of Jewish capital.
    When the Jews were sorted out, then the question arose of what was a state headed by Jews again. And this state was the USSR. Those who do not believe can see the lists of the Soviet government over the years.
    Hitler had no prospect of removing them from power.
    And he understood that a force that is concentrated within the borders of the Union would grind it into powder. What happened in the future.
    Hitler's attack is an act of sheer insanity. Not Hitler’s attack on the USSR is simply not possible.
    It was the agony of the German system.
    Yes, the price paid is huge.
    But they won.

    Stalin is an outstanding statesman of our country. But Stalin is a worthy pupil and successor of the Lenin cause. Sequential successor. And until 1936-37, Stalin did not abandon the idea of ​​exporting the revolution to other countries. And where could we export that revolution?
    Well, not to Australia with Polynesia.
    To Europe.
    IN USA.
    To China.
    With Europe, it did not quite work out as we would like.
    From the USA - span.
    In China, it burned out!
    Before the war, Stalin did not reason as a father of peoples.
    He reasoned like a Marxist-Leninist!
    Read the works of Stalin. His newspaper articles. Speeches to the party and military leaders of the Soviet state.
    And everything will become clear.
    And emotions are bad helpers.
  37. AIR
    AIR 22 November 2017 13: 23 New
    +2
    Alas, alas .... This is a call to our country's leadership.
    1. iouris
      iouris 22 November 2017 13: 30 New
      +7
      Quote: AVIA
      This is a call to our leadership of the country.

      This is a call to us from above.
  38. uskrabut
    uskrabut 22 November 2017 13: 34 New
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    "Obviously, the student did not mean anything bad, and it is obvious that the student was extremely worried when he spoke in the Bundestag"

    This zatsu had to come to the Bundestag with the Banner of Victory, explain to the Germans that the USSR was waging a just war of liberation, saved the peoples of Europe and the world from enslavement and destruction, so the whole world should remember this. Here it would be appropriate excitement and reservations! But to worry and at the same time to lick the back of the descendants of the Nazis - disgusting!
    1. kot28.ru
      kot28.ru 22 November 2017 14: 21 New
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      He fulfilled his role in the test, although due to his age he still may not understand what he said
      The Germans were shown that Moscow is ready to bend, rewrite if something is
      After all, as it turned out, the Germans and other scum from Europe did not want to occupy Bryansk, they were forced!
      Leningrad, poor fellow, forced them to besiege them! Directly detachments behind the Wehrmacht stood!
      Disgustingly
      And why it feels like we were betrayed
      But the sand said what he said
      Well, it’s easier for him, daughter in France, real estate in the USA,
      Cosmopolitan Dicks am
      There is a recording of his grandfather at home in the video archive, his interview, which he gave in the 90s for a documentary
      I do not remember his words about the poor fellow driven by force
      But our education is not limping, already both legs are taken away!
      At work, a 87-year-old kid confidently says that the Germans loved detachments and they were driven to Russia like cattle
      Who brought it up?
      His dad, an ardent supporter of fighters with the USSR-Yeltsin, Gorbachev
      Because he began to praise Vlasov with me, his face was not hurt only because his age as my father was tsuko
      Old already
      In general, this shit is enough among citizens and among the ilk
      Abomination! am
  39. Captain Nemo
    Captain Nemo 22 November 2017 14: 05 New
    0
    I understand correctly that the organized persecution of a boy who doesn’t really understand what he was told to read, does not concern the author?
    1. uskrabut
      uskrabut 22 November 2017 16: 16 New
      +7
      by age should already understand the difference between the killing of innocents and the destruction of fascist occupiers
  40. IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 22 November 2017 14: 12 New
    +3
    Buffoons we do not need to vparivat bourgeois whitewashed interpretation of the First World War. And while crying about the wrong new interpretations of the Second World War. Both of these interpretations are litter whitewashed.
  41. Pushkar
    Pushkar 22 November 2017 14: 14 New
    +7
    The native government gave the people a new beautiful meme - URENGOY BOYS ! I mean, future EDRists (or EDRons - how right?).
    1. tv70
      tv70 22 November 2017 16: 03 New
      +5
      Ederasty, their mother!
  42. tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 November 2017 14: 24 New
    +6
    "With whom to compare the traitor. After all, even a typhoid louse would be offended by such a comparison." -M. Bitter.
  43. Brushing
    Brushing 22 November 2017 14: 46 New
    +2
    It’s a pity for the kid ... and he shouldn’t be poisoned, he is the product of a current education, but the teachers are on end !!! )))
    1. enmesher
      enmesher 22 November 2017 15: 35 New
      +8
      My younger one is 10 years old, and he knows a lot about VO without school and history lessons. The information is now sea. It is not necessary to consider 17-year-olds incapable, my grandfather fought in his years, and my grandmother made shells at the factory. Where was his great-grandfather?
    2. uskrabut
      uskrabut 22 November 2017 16: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Still running
      I'm sorry for the kid ..

      Kick his ass with rods of salt so he couldn’t sit down for a month! Then, in the head of common sense, the place will be freed.
  44. tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 November 2017 14: 56 New
    15
    The provocation worked. I wonder how and why the authorities protect the provocateurs. GDP has already lost up to 20-25% of future votes. The chain of events: not a celebration of the 100th anniversary of the revolution, the performance of a young Unterman in the Bundestag, because only very bad people can believe that he wrote THIS himself and that he could speak with a text that was not checked. And then the defense of this verbiage and betrayal. The authorities could have avoided this, and could very easily. This is not a budget to share with the people. Then why is this done. Question. They show Uncle Trump do not touch our capital acquired by "hard work" we will hand over RUSSIA. Or what else. In general, the fifth column rules the country.
  45. tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 November 2017 15: 11 New
    +6
    Ordinary fascism. All . Preparation for the Russian Maidan has begun. And the power of the same. No, this is a test ball. Then the analysis goes on. But with us whom God wants to destroy, he deprives the mind. Here Armata will not help.
  46. 1536
    1536 22 November 2017 15: 17 New
    +7
    In short, I would rather vote for communists or liberal democrats than for these "writers."
  47. enmesher
    enmesher 22 November 2017 15: 30 New
    +1
    Nothing to add, perfect!
  48. Brushing
    Brushing 22 November 2017 15: 54 New
    +7
    Quote: enmesher
    My younger one is 10 years old, and he knows a lot about VO without school and history lessons. The information is now sea. It is not necessary to consider 17-year-olds incapable, my grandfather fought in his years, and my grandmother made shells at the factory. Where was his great-grandfather?


    You are the right person and you have the right children ....))) Judging by the last name of the young man - great-grandfather stopudovy Bandera ...)))

    Well, this one: the current 17-year-olds are full of vegetables (thanks to the school) .... I’ll tell you for sure, they are okrom, how to sit on the parent’s back and reap peeps in devices can’t do anything .... I’m looking at the children of friends, like 17-20 years, and 13-15 for development, or even less ....)))) We were more mature and independent .... at the age of 15-16 many already studied and worked, and now Workers and workers are not needed ... Moscow gives birth to office plankton in wild quantities .... Parents drag their young to graduation and then give them to paid institutes, because they do not pass the USE ....))) I have a wife by birth from Kukuevsk, as I did already in 3 prestigious institutes and I still chose where to study, and with friends / acquaintances - everything was on a scarf ....
  49. starshina78
    starshina78 22 November 2017 17: 54 New
    +8
    I completely agree with the author. Our so-called elite is imbued with hypocrisy through and through. They probably forgot that hypocrisy is a mortal sin. The main thing for all these oligarchs from oil and gas is that money goes into your pocket, and they do it in any way. Do not be surprised if it comes to betrayal. Although they have long betrayed Russia. Back in the 90s.
  50. midshipman
    midshipman 22 November 2017 18: 27 New
    +9
    Here is a trinity that justifies Kolya. Imagine a company commander of the Red Army, in whom the Nazis killed him by himself. What will he do in battle, and then in Germany? Correctly do not take prisoner. Pilots of the Leningrad Front after the sinking of the barge with children on the "Road of Life" (and she was with a medical cross) took an oath: "Do not take fascist pilots captive, shoot those who parachute." Remember our Tsar Ivan the Terrible. After one German attack, the Swedes at the Solovetsky Monastery, he ordered: "To execute all the prisoners, and release one. And this released one was to convey that from now on the Russians would not be taken prisoner." The raids in the North stopped. I can give examples from our life when Aviation Marshal E.Ya. Savitsky weaned US reconnaissance aircraft to violate our border in the Far East (this was in the early 80s. I had to be a participant in this operation). I have the honor.